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Welcome back to another grimsokyo thread jaypee, in here we will discuss and talk about the "grim" side of gensokyo which includes darker perspectives of the characters or the world in general, behind the cute sugar-coated facade of the girls fighting each other and resolving incidents, what happens behind? Are youkai really cute? Or is there a more sinister reason for their innocent appearance? What is the real condition of the human village? Are the humans at peace, in harmony or do they live in fear by the oppression of powerful magical beings keeping them in check? How are outsiders treated within gensokyo?

Y'know the kind of stuff, talk all about it in this thread, share your theories or perspectives about the darker side of gensokyo

>> No.39418255

inb4 shit thread

>> No.39418298
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>>39418137
Yuyuko niggas be like: I will marry her someday

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>>39418137

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part 2
Op is a fag

>> No.39418329

>>39418308
>>39418313
Me waiting for the hakurei barrier to break down so that the outside world can come vanquish gensokyo and liberate the human villagers

>> No.39418342

>>39418329
Yes of course, youkai are afraid of outsiders discovering them for many reasons

>> No.39418517

>>39418137
Grimsokyo is canon, Cutesokyo is not.

>> No.39418548

>>39418517
Speak truth
You're gonna make the cutesokyofags seethe anon

>> No.39420669

>>39418255
A thread like this is bound to be terrible.

>> No.39421229

>>39420669
Why?

>> No.39421710

>>39418298
still pretty cute

>> No.39423521

Yet another dogshit thread with cringe headcanons. I'm glad to see >>39418137 OP is still a fag.

>> No.39424458

>Cutesokyofags already seething
Please keep this post alive OP

>> No.39424566

My headcanon is that Marisa was regularly molested by her father and he disowned her once she became too old to satisfy him.

>> No.39424624

>>39418517
Grimcutesokyo is canon

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I really liked Ameyama Telegraph stuff, his Grimsokyo was the edgiest shit, but because of that it was such a fun take on setting, wish he made more long doujin works back in the day...

>> No.39426298

>>39418517
Wrong. Only Wifesokyo is canon.

>> No.39430175

Most of you people seem to fantasize about getting eating but I like to fantasize about eating people.

>> No.39431719

>>39418137
Akyuu has a terrible life deal and thats among the saddest parts of this whole ordeal, rivaled by the hourai horror of eternal life and also the very plausible defeat of the lunarians in Renkos future.
That's what I think is the grimmest things in Gensokyo, the characters and their conditions. Akyuu is going inevitably lose all her friendships and acquaintances yet keep those memories and her only hope for lasting relationships are stupid fucking youkai or some randos who drank hourai juice.

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>>39418137
Celestials canonically kidnapp humans who steal their veil and make them their husbands

Interestingly enough it's also mentioned that they only take humans whom they find fanciful, I'm gonna guess it means it's mostly outsiders who aren't from the village

Source? It's from SoPm, Kakashi Spirit News 3 article

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>>39432315
This sounds hot as hell

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>WAKU WAKU YOUKAI-SAN, I BET YOU'RE PRETTY STRONG! LET'S FIGHT WITHOUT SPELLCARD RULES THIS TIME!! I'M GETTIN' EXCITED!

>> No.39433756

>>39418308
We need to save the Hakurei God since in my headcanon it's a poor cutehu getting abused through neglect.
How do we let it receive our collective faith?

>> No.39433849

>>39424566
Marisa has AIDS, her daddy gave it to her when she was 8 and she was all "DADDY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"

>> No.39439962

bump

>> No.39441294
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what grim story and/or setting would you want to see in a fangame? i want to make one but i dont have enough ideas yet

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>>39418137
We really need more fangames with the Grimsokyo concept.

>> No.39443266

>>39441294
Being an outsider protagonist lost inside The Scarlet Devil Mansion, it would be a survival horror game where you try to escape and not get caught, it would fit with the lore

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for all Cutesokyo anons, You cant headpat your cute hag or fairy. Being outsider is like being lowest scum, everything will eat

>> No.39444661

>>39444647
you*

>> No.39444714

>>39433670
Fuck, i chuckled.

>> No.39444782

>>39443266
I would work on this. Could help that anon with art or programming if he wants.

>> No.39445120

>>39443266
that does sound interesting, how do you picture the protagonist? clueless bystander who ended up there by chance, or something else? that sounds like a fun JRPG to me especially. probably just because it's making me think of the Ravus Manor chapter in octopath.
https://youtu.be/W2gNx1VudM4?t=1420

>>39444782
i was thinking about making a homebrew game for a retro console as a beginner-intermediate systems programming challenge, so if you were envisioning something else you should just work on it yourself honestly and i'd do something else.

>> No.39445543

>>39445120
>clueless bystander who ended up there by chance, or something else?
Perhaps the gap youkai brought you there during your sleep, you wake up in one of the hallways or rooms, it's quite dark and must venture your way out while absolutely trying to avoid the residents of the mansion

Also, make sure to make death scenes for each character, it would be very neat seeing sakuya impale or gut you alive or have flan do god knows what kind of brutal death to you, should you get caught

>> No.39445578

>>39445543
I love this, it does sound like a SDM-themed horror game has a lot of potential as an outsider who is considered mere food in the dark fantasy land known as gensokyo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bfJNuTiO164

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>>39445543
>it would be very neat seeing sakuya impale or gut you alive
Ayy bros...

>> No.39445715

>>39445543
Sakuya or Meiling would throw you in a dungeon before killing you like a pig. They would most likely be under command NOT to fuck up the carpets

>> No.39445801

>>39445578
is there enough insight into the inside of the SDM or would creative liberties have to be taken to fit the theme?

>> No.39445832

>>39445801
>is there enough insight into the inside of the SDM or would creative liberties have to be taken to fit the theme?
It has been described some details, but still vague enough for authors to have a lot of liberty in making their own interpretations, it's said the mansion has few windows to prevent light from getting in, scarlet-colored windows, a looot of rooms and hallways, some rooms don't have windows at all and thus gloomy, there are probably staircases too and it's said the mansion is phenomenally larger inside than it appears from the outside

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>>39418137
Grimsokyo is Hakurei propaganda to keep the donations coming, but not even villagers pay attention to it anymore.

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>>39418255
stfu

>> No.39446015

In this version of Gensokyo, wouldn't it be in the best interests of literally everyone connected to humanity or the SDM to acquire a dose of that sweet sweet hourai elixir and offer some random prime-beef human in peak physical condition the chance to live in luxury in the SDM, in exchange for being their food?
Sure, it would be a task and a half (a good topic for a story, actually) to make that random human the fifth confirmed being ever to use the elixir, but it would be infinitely kinder, easier, and all around better than actually killing people. It's not like the human would actually have to feel the pain of death every time, either, thanks to Sakuya.
Once you get past the hurdle of actually getting your hands on it, it's indisputably good.

>> No.39446277

>>39446015
>Force-feed some random an elixir to make them unable to ever die
>Imprison them and butcher them over and over and over again for centuries
>It's unimaginable pain and they never know anything except the feeling of their limbs being hacked off again and again and again
>Eventually they lose their mind from all this and forget everything about both themselves and even the world outside their torture chamber, believing their only purpose is to provide sustenance for others.
Jesus Christ anon.

Then you get to a moral dilemma though. This would save the suffering of so many humans but one human has a complete hellish existence.

>> No.39446322

>>39446277
>Then you get to a moral dilemma though. This would save the suffering of so many humans but one human has a complete hellish existence.
The thread is an amoral edition for a reason anon, what must be done, must be done

>> No.39446395

>>39446277
>>Eventually they lose their mind from all this and forget everything about both themselves and even the world outside their torture chamber, believing their only purpose is to provide sustenance for others.
Doesn't sound too different from how more than a few doujins/erogames eventually end
>This would save the suffering of so many humans but one human has a complete hellish existence.
There's a story about this scenario.

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>>39446322
Of course. It would be no means eliminate the necessity of sacrificing humans as some youkai live for the thrill of the hunt but if this person's meat could be distributed amongst the youkai it could at least curb their cravings somewhat.

The ideal candidate for this task would likely be a plump, young adult woman. She would be restrained and then regularly harvested.

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>>39446444
>The ideal candidate for this task would likely be a plump, young adult woman. She would be restrained and then regularly harvested.
Based and checked, fuck human women, they are disgusting whores, their sole purpose would be to feed the youkai, meanwhile human men will marry gorgeous and cute youkai women

>> No.39446486

>>39444647
CHIMATA WOULD NEVER SAY THIS, DELETE YOUR POST IMMEDIATELY

>> No.39446577

>>39418255
Only if cutesokyofags keep pushing their opinions in a thread they know they dont like

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Reminder that Seija is actually a hero to try and fight against the system that oppresses weak youkais even if its just because she wants to be a contrarian

>> No.39446607 [DELETED] 

>>39446592
And Byakuren wants justice for humans AND youkai. She fights for the rights of youkai everywhere; weak or strong

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>>39446577
This

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>>39445874
Watch out for what you say, naive kosuzu, the youkai have legitimate dangerosity if you firmly seek out what they are behind the masquerade

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Youkai are cute... until they are not

>> No.39446691

>>39445874
On a serious note, is there ever mentioned if she takes payment for exorcism, incident resolving or youkai extermination request? The only legit and legal method she has shown to get money from is from stall fees from shrine related events.

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>>39446649
>the youkai have legitimate dangerosity if you firmly seek out what they are behind the masquerade
For once you speak truth, ugly jungle gremlin with a dumb big hat. Youkai CAN harm you if you're naive enough to take interest in the ongoing Hakurei propaganda and make yourself the prime target for it's brainwashing.
Kosuzu seems to be the only human in the village dumb and schizophrenic enough to believe that she's been possessed by evil spirits, twice! And then she even gets coaxed into joining them herself.

>> No.39447183

>>39446592
Seija just wants what nobody else wants. She doesn't care about anyone. The system doesn't oppress youkai, either, the system quite literally is designed to support them. What she told Shinmyoumaru was, of course, a series of lies.

>>39446607
Byakuren just wants things for herself.

>> No.39448318

>>39447183
Then who is the actual altruistic hu?

>> No.39448746

>>39447183
I disagree with your understanding of Hijiri.

>> No.39454383

>>39418137
Why is remi naughty?

>> No.39455996

>>39445692
Those eyes...

>> No.39457612

>>39418308
>>39418313
Cutesokyofags are seething
Please wait warmly as we see the delivery come

>> No.39457774

>>39446457
My incelometer is off the charts with this post.

>> No.39457865

>>39457774
But is he wrong

>> No.39457984

>>39457865
Yes, no intelligent creature should be fed to another, let alone kept alive forever as a living meat dispenser.

>> No.39458519

>>39457984
>intelligent
Except that's where you're wrong, human women aren't intelligent creatures

>> No.39459998

>>39458519
Some are.

>> No.39461026

Mary is going to eventually eat Renko, whether it be in a fit of rage or simple loss of control.

>> No.39462301

>>39457984
So a creature's life is worth more based on their intelligence? That doesn't sound right.

>> No.39463529

>>39461026
What??

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>>39418137
Serious Reimu.

>> No.39465876

>>39464991
It's funny that I couldn't tell if this was a horizon zero dawn inspired if Reimu didn't have that ugly round face

>> No.39471649

>>39463529
Come now, did you really think Renko was going to become Ran?

>> No.39471987

>>39465876
She looks like a normal jap

>> No.39484736

>>39471987
No japs look like that.

>> No.39494270

>>39484736
proof it

>> No.39502536 [DELETED] 

Eew

>> No.39509771

>>39418255
this post did not age well

>> No.39510235

>>39418255
this is a great thread because grimsokyo is the only logical conclusion, it's a totally hostile environment and the human village has no power, influence or prestige worth mentioning

>> No.39513474

i don't want to be eaten by youkais because i'm a selfish little fuck that doesn't want to feed them

>> No.39515366

PSA: your zounose doujin and human village theories are by definition just as canon as the image of futa tenshi breaking the earth with her cock.
Canon is only what explicitly happens in the official works; any speculative events written out here fall under fanwork and thus share the validity of giant futa tenshi raping planet earth.

Half of you reading this post agree and do not pollute official work discussion with above content, keeping it within this dedicated thread. For you, this message is unnecessary.
The other half is homosexual and mentally retarded. Stay the fuck in here you dumb fucking pavement apes.
Thank you for your time.
For binary-brained niggers: yes i am the bogeyman of your choice, {}-fag, and yes i am flying over your house right now.

>> No.39515864

>>39510235
once you stop sniffing crack you'll realize grimdark isn't canon.
Marisa is literally from the village and it has been said countless times that people competent enough can live outside the village just fine.

>> No.39516062

>>39515366
To be fair Giant futa tenshi fucking the earth does point out some subtle pieces of lore and solidifies the worldbuilding and plot even further

>> No.39516176

>>39510235
Youkai had to isolate themselves in a fishbowl stuck in 18th century because they're physically harmless to modern humans that don't believe in literal witches and aliens. Sadly for them, the constant piss contest between stronger youkai keeps advancing the village technologically through imports until it finally reaches the point where villagers become too preoccupied with outside world's entertainment and mindset to have enough faith in youkai's existence.

tl;dr Gensokyo is about to collapse and it's bringing all non-humans with it

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>>39516176
Good for them, youkai deserve to either go extinct or be used as humanity's breeding stock (sex slaves)

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>>39520608
Based

>> No.39521228

>>39520643
Boyshi

>> No.39521404

>>39516176
Youkai don't die because of lack of belief, they stop existing because they lose their sense of purpose and undergo an existential crisis. They're in Gensokyo because the outside world does not need them nor want them. If the youkai are behind all Gensokyoan entertainment, utilities, and technology, that's good enough for them to have a sense of purpose.

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>>39521404
>Youkai don't die because of lack of belief, they stop existing because they lose their sense of purpose and undergo an existential crisis.
I'm pretty sure that, considering that they're taking the appearance of gorgeous girls currently, that the outside world would have no problem accepting them back as sex slaves as I mentioned above
>If the youkai are behind all Gensokyoan entertainment, utilities, and technology, that's good enough for them to have a sense of purpose.
They are also behind all murder and kidnappings

>> No.39521852

>>39521404
>Youkai don't die because of lack of belief, they stop existing because they lose their sense of purpose and undergo an existential crisis
Then what are the humans for? If human belief didn't matter, they wouldn't need purpose explicitly towards humans.

>> No.39523884 [DELETED] 

>>39521852
Youkai's purpose is to scare/threaten/eat humans, duh. Or in the yamabiko's case, to call back to them. Youkai exist to serve some purpose for humans, if they were capable of finding purpose in living for themselves, they would do so. I mean these are creatures whose existence is something like "wait inside a toilet to lick people's asses" and that's all they do all day unless they find some other way to kill time.

Of course there are places outside of Gensokyo. The youkai in old hell don't give a shit about humans and live seperate from them and other youkai. The netherworld doesn't contain any humans. Makai, dream world, and other places. Gensokyo is a home for youkai who don't want to give up interacting with humans. Kami are the things that directly require human faith. Although faith is probably a roundabout way of keeping a purpose for humans for lesser kami. Fairies are kami-adjacent and don't require anything but nature and certain ones are implied to have been existing before humanity.


>>39521594
>the outside world would have no problem accepting them back as sex slaves
Why would they want to be sex slaves? They'd probably rather stop existing. Wives/pets would probably work. I'm sure all the animal girls could parade right out Gensokyo and settle down with Japan's otaku.

>> No.39523897

>>39521852
Youkai's purpose is to scare/threaten/eat humans, duh. Or in the yamabiko's case, to call back to them. Youkai exist to serve some purpose for humans, if they were capable of finding purpose in living for themselves, they would do so. I mean these are creatures whose existence is something like "wait inside a toilet to lick people's asses" and that's all they do all day unless they find some other way to kill time.

Of course there are places outside of Gensokyo. The youkai in old hell don't give a shit about humans and live seperate from them and other youkai. The netherworld doesn't contain any humans. Makai, dream world, and other places. Gensokyo is a home for youkai who don't want to give up interacting with humans. Kami are the things that directly require human faith. Although faith is probably a roundabout way of keeping a purpose for humans for lesser kami. Fairies are kami-adjacent and don't require anything but nature and certain kami are implied to have been existing before humanity.


>>39521594
>the outside world would have no problem accepting them back as sex slaves
Why would they want to be sex slaves? They'd probably rather stop existing. Wives/pets would probably work. I'm sure all the animal girls could parade right out Gensokyo and settle down with Japan's otaku.

>> No.39523992

>>39515366
>your zounose doujin and human village theories are by definition just as canon as the image of futa tenshi breaking the earth with her cock
Huh? Futa tenshi isnt canon?
>>39515864
Literally only five or six out of maybe hundreds of humans in Gensokyo live outside the village, that's not a great statistics.

>> No.39525007

>>39418298
Nothing a little eye make up can't fix.

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>>39523897
Well I guess as long as humans are required there's not much difference whether it's humans' belief or youkai's sense of purpose.
Fairies, hell and such aren't required to interact with humans because there are more established things like seasons and religions to keep humans from completely forgetting about them, but that's just how I see it.

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