/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I don't like popular things.

>>39276558
I don't like FGO and vtubers

Ironic weebs are a scourge.

>>39276780
this

It's mainstream normtrash unfitting for the ideal JayPee.

disgusting

>>39277344
where's chen?

>>39277267
As if this board didn't worshipped the dumbass shark for a whole year. In fact, it was partly responsible for it's rise to fame.

Infested with normalfags. Maybe they'll get bored of it someday.

>>39279632
Hopefully

>>39279632
This has been said for at the very least 5 years, this is your new reality now.

>>39280155
Never give up hope anon. Tides rise and fall. Surely, this is no different.

>>39279658
I hope some people will end up changing the text to homoverse or something

>>39276480
Its really telling how its mostly just EN vtubers. EN was the biggest fucking mistake of all time when it comes to vtubing. Previously the community was made of individuals that had a minimum amount of intelligence or drive, because to enjoy streams you had to know Japanese or be commited to learning it. After the advent of EN the community was just flooded with the bottom of the barrel dub-watching retard. If you go to /vt/ nobody even talks about hololive JP anymore, its all just ENfags proudly displaying their general stupidity.

>>39279587
/vtuber/ =/= /jp/
I had no clue who this shark e-girl even was before you idiots started flooding the board with your masquerading 3DPD cancer.

>>39277344
What's your problem with that?

>>39276480
keep crying nijinigger

>>39276780
Honestly this is the only thing I hate, the rest I'm more indifferent on I.e. vtubers or just find mind numbling boring like gacha and it's rather shallow gameplay loop. Also it takes alot more than waifu's and husbando's to incite me just to download your game.

>>39276480
This thread is absolutely pointless. No normalfag that consumes these consider themselves otaku.

>>39276780
Can someone explain what being an Ironic Weeb is? I grew up with otaku interests due to my dad having them and showing me stuff throughout the late 90s and early 2000s so I never really went out an interacted with other 'weebs'. Just assumed it was always a niche thing that he and I and few others would know about. Then the 2010s hit and not just online but EVERYwhere there were people into stuff and it never came off as an Ironic thing to me, just a previously niche interest getting the exposure it needed to become popular. What qualifies someone as an ironic weeb and what behaviors do they exhibit that makes things worse?

>>39283743
it is not genuine. there is always the fear of one being labeled "weird", so he justifies by claiming it wasn't that serious, that it is just a play of pretend. halfhearted ventures on a niche that don't achieve much.

>>39276589

base

>>39276480

>>39276480
r*ddit is full of normalfags who would've guessed

The same people that made fun of weebs in school are now demanding that anime gets changed.
I pretty much dropped out of the western anime community because it's just so shit.

>>39286562
This

>>39286562
>The same people that made fun of weebs in school are now demanding that anime gets changed.
It's worse, these people weren't even born yet when people used to make fun of weebs.

>>39286562
>demanding that anime gets changed.
What? In what way?

>>39287168
"oh this is sexist!"
"oh this is racist!"
"the tits are too big!"
"make it more appealing to the world!"
same shit that happened with vidya

>>39287429
This is just what happens when whatever becomes popular.
Gatekeeping is lost art and authors of anything that became popular want to make money so they want it to be popular so they don't want to gatekeep but it always comes with price of shitters invading who start demanding shit and destroy what the thing use to be in a first place. Problem comes when orginal fanbase is minority and most of the "fanbase" is some 50 year old soccer moms that played game once or twice demanding changes.

>>39286562
>The same people that made fun of weebs in school are now demanding that anime gets changed.
I doubt trat the popular people in school that played sports or did other "normal" hobbies are the same that are now sending threats to manga authors over sexism racism etc.
The former just live their normal lives and the latter always liked anime but stayed on Tumblr but now have migrated to Twitter where they are very vocal about theie beliefs.

>>39283743
You know the old weeaboo stereotype, an idiot with no self-awareness that gratuitously uses Japanese phrases even though he doesn't know even basics of the language, wants to move to Japan thinking it's a paradise, and his whole life revolves around anime.
Ironic weeb wants to avoid the stereotype, but overcompensates in the other direction. Simply saying you like anime is cringe, you have to wrap it in several layers of irony and self-deprecation. He acts like the most basic bitch anime he watches is so quirky, while making shitty Facebook memes about dakimakuras and traps. He follows shallow trends because they're easy to discard, and attachment makes you cringe. Also it's the type of person who uses the word "waifu" to describe literally any female character from Japanese media.

>>39276480
>modern
I genuinely always despised otaku "culture". Now it's so flooded with insincere faggots I don't even bother caring anymore.

>>39288425
>it's the type of person who uses the word "waifu" to describe literally any female character from Japanese media.
This will never not make me sigh

>>39288645
i hate having discussions about anything waifu related online anymore because people just talk about their favorities, "oh my waifu from this franchise, oh but so and such is my other waifu"
either that or they'll denounce them but ramble about comfort characters and kins which is basically just the retards version of having a waifu.
>>39286562
liking anything japanese related in the past would get you harassed but now everyone in their mom speaks of the Jay Pops and the Demon Slayers. those types trying to cozy up to you now that their "interests" align with yours are fucking insufferable. they'll forget about it once it stops being profitable for big media and they stop pushing it.

>>39288645
Misuse of senpai gets me more.

>>39288425
>>39284452
Ah, so its people who superficially play into the old stereotype of the 3deep5me autist otaku with interests that would instantly get him ostracized if he talked about them to normalfags while simultaneously being toe deep into the hobby and being turbonormies themselves. I always thought people were complaining about that specific brand of jojo meme spammer types who went out of their way to act ironic as possible. I see them as being a minority, but the normalfag larping as an otaku is far more prevalent.

>>39276558
And you can't do anything about it.

/b/ did this

>>39295212
Yotsuba? Not a spread out asshole???

404/22. The date that /b/ did a nice thing.

>>39276480
Otaku culture was always embarrassing, it's focus has just shifted from anime to streamers

>>39295212
picture of everything /b/ did

>>39295928
forgot to add the lore in post but last picture of yotsuba we had to fight a twitch streamer of 1.3k people to put down and we did it right before the event ended

>>39287429
The tits are too big. What would be considered unthinkable in the early 90s, a joke in the late 90s, and the boob-gag character in the 2000s is now normal to small sized. That something ridiculous like this has been normalized is really strange.

vtubers and gacha are not otaku culture. Why? Because I said so.

>>39297553
2hufags used to say vtubers and gacha aren't otaku culture because they dont have the soul or passion like ZUN, but do they still think the same after that DMCA fiasco? Not that I blame him, he only asked that people dont spoil the game endings and some YouTubers can't even do that.

>>39297245
Normalfags are worried that they'll be seen as pedos for liking young-looking or petite girls.

>>39295953
were they gonna put the mentally ill flag down to replace yotsuba?

>>39297773
Very Reddit thing to believe

>>39297689
the DMCA was forgotten after one day

>>39297689
In no way does this even prove or lean the scales towards shitty virtual casinos and e-whores having soul.
>>39297553 same for you.
All gachas are consumer culture, you daft fucks

>>39297866
But anon, they roll gacha and donated to vtubers by choice!

>>39297866
>>39297877
ZUN approved a Touhou gacha, guys. Touhou is fucking OVER. Pack up your bags. We're leaving.

>>39297245
large breast fetish is the most common fetish in the world so seeing it normalized isn't too surprising just disappointing
>>39297827
never forget, always pirate, fuck sellouts

>>39297877
Cirno your choices are stupid even if they are yours!

leddit meme I know but it made me laugh

>>39297984
ZUN should be prohibited from traveling abroad to western countries let's see how he likes

the cringe shark is the peak of ironic weebs

It's impossible to say anything negative about it without being called an "incel" or "/pol/fag" or something like that
In this optimist era if something is popular you just have to accept it and move on
and so I do

>>39276480
It is still very small, the world is just a bigger place now that verything is connected so it is big but ony compared to how it used to be.

>>39276480
>Another I le hecking hate vtubers thread.
You were nonstop spamming vtubers 2 years ago what happened

>>39304458
quoting the bottom panel
>Aloy
Speaking of things people irrationally hate, I wonder how many of those "I'm not accepting Aloy from my mail" people had an aneurysm when they sent out a birthday mail for her a couple days ago. They will never be free from Twatrok: Robosaur Hunter.

>>39304771
>>39279587
Why do you people obsess over that character in particular, she is like literally never talked about here on /jp/. There are no, none, zero threads about her on /jp/ as of this post. They don't try to make her the OP of the multiple threads they rush to make every time one dies >>/jp/?task=search2&ghost=&search_text=hololive&search_op=op The closest thing on a quick search is the sniff rabbit cosplaying as her. >>/jp/image/5517a-Hti1nj3_vCPzBiuA She's nowhere to be seen among the images that are ruining historical /jp/sie culture >>/jp/reports/image-reposts so I don't get why you lot are constantly whining about her in particular in every meta thread. Do you hang out in vtuber threads too much and are mad no one talks about the vtuber you like? Are you obsessed over something that happened to you in /vt/? Is it twitter drama? Because it really seems like (you) are the only one(s?) who ever mention her. At least the people constantly whining about trannies can point to the trannies that they are imagining giving them the bad touch.

>>39295953
Good. Streamers are cancer and their viewers underage retards.

>>39276780
>>39286562
Both this and every idiot who thinks even staring at something remotely Japanese makes you a weeb is the reason I avoid mentioning anything about the Japanese media that I consume. Even the legit weeaboos of the mid 2000s that I encountered were, sometimes, less obnoxious than your average video game and anime hybrid self-proclaimed weeb that jumps from fad to fad.

>>39276780
Define "Ironic weeb".

Just enjoy what you like.
Though yeah, it is sad how these days a full anime year has like 2 or 3 good new anime at best.
I miss that nostalgic and magical feeling that's perfectly captures by Hare Guu Final's opening, it's like watching at a starry night sky with melancholy, knowing the amazing party you're having is about to end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvCLS8IukdU

so much crossie scum in this thread

>>39305685
Worst opening except the dance part.

>>39305745
cry me a river bitchboy

/ypg/ - Yukari Poetry General

>>39293561
>>39293561
>>39293561

>>39305178
not those anons but iirc didn't a janny or meido show bias to the shark very early on? i know sometimes they have used pics of her as well. i think that's part of the reason why people shit on the shark here besides just being the face of western vtuber
>>39305441
legit weaboos had genuine interest even if it was overbearing and/or misguided. i miss you, livejournal weebs...

>>39306592
Bias how? I never saw any sort of bias more than they give to vtubers in general.

>>39306592
>>39306596
Also I thought the blonde detective and the tentacle monster one were more popular, or at least they seemed so at first. It's also strange that there weren't any vtuber icons in the april fools thing. It further confirms it's just one faggot mod who likes them and the others just let him get away with it.

>>39306596
he allowed a split of the generals (western and japanese holo) because he liked her or something of that sort, maybe i'm wrong in that regard because i don't keep up with vtubers in general but i do know the latter with pictures is a thing. they don't call him sharkmeido for nothing
one faggot mod is probably correct

>>39307726
The generals split because general users are petty, the same reason there's seperate threads for male holo and female holo, regardless of them both being Japanese or whatever(I think there are regions other than just Japanese and western but like you, I don't dig deep enough)

I play gatcha and don't spend a cent, just like mmorpgs.

>>39276480
Too centered around cute boys and girls. It's basically normalfags but with cartoons.

>>39313291
>>39276589
>>39282229
there are some good gacha imo, MGCM and Punishing Gray Raven being two examples of gacha that are genuinely fun to play
i do despise the more popular stuff like FGO or genshin, though, where the gameplay isn't notable at all, so all discussion related to the game is borderline braindead and only ever revolves around ironic weebs obsessing over whatever character is the most popular

>>39321702
How can you type with a straight face that MGCM and Punishing Gray Raven have better gameplay than Genshin Impact?

>>39322163
i like rpgs
i don't like open world
simple as

>>39322278
Well don't pretend turn based and hack n slash RPGs have better gameplay than an actual action game at least.

love vbijin
hate incels
simple as

>>39322514
Looking like Mabinogi 1.5 there

>>39322163
Honestly that's probably the one thing that genshin has going for it compare to other gacha's that it's gameplay isn't as shallow and it's tied with a world for you to explore, but even then nothing about it's setting has really grab me and it's characters don't excite me ethier.

Anyways play rain world or some weird rpg maker game about incoherent nonsense and paper cups.

>>39322514
wrong website and wrong lifeform, retard

>>39297866
But consumer culture is not opposed to otaku culture. There is no such thing as otaku culture without consume. We consume anime, buy figurines, buy printworks etc. Not that I consider mobile .jpg pachinkos otaku culture
>>39297689
>he only asked that people dont spoil the game endings
he actually asked for more than that
nothing has changed with touhou as an IP, you can still use touhou characters however you want as long you are not pushing a worldview using his assets or spoiling his endings. redistributing his games is another story, since those games are all his he has the right to do whatever he wants, and you can still torrent the stuff elsewhere if you want. I think that ruw just pressured him into doing it.

>>39324068
have sex, 童貞

>>39324068
>>39324253
Have sex with each other, nerds

>>39276480
Its basically just moe moe cute girls everywhere.
Wished there was a shounen turn on otaku cuckture

im a hipster. if it gains popularity beyond a threshold then its trash

>>39329139
Must really suck having your personal interests determined by others

>>39329096
Go to /a/, there are plenty of DBSpics for you to chat with there.

>>39324265
only if we both crossdress as touhoes

>>39295237
some huge streamer actually put a large 2b ass on the canvas and reddit meidos nuked it. the whole thing was rigged.

>>39322448
it's not pretending if i'm correct lol

If you haven't learned enough japanese to consume jp media you like from start to finish I consider you the same as that lot.

>>39333548
Why don't you keep to posting with other Japanese only then?

>>39305178
you fucking niggers this very site has an entire goddamn board dedicated to vtubers where your not allowed to criticize her im not even against her but the insane bias people have for her genuine or not gets really fucking annoying sometimes

>>39333548
I agree with you, but sadly this board was full of people like that even before the vtumor flood arrived and diluted things even further.

>>39276480
This shit kept popping up on /v/. Holy shit there's so flags. I think I counted 9 tran flags with something anime/Homestuck/Undertale in close proximity and at least 5 German flags for some reason. However, I think this one deserves its spot

>>39277344
>>39280522
Crust fat old loser corner, turn them into vtubers

>>39333548
but shounen manga keeps using weird kanji that I still have to look up

>normalfags picked on me for liking anime in the late 90s and early 2000s
>same normalfags claim they always loved it now
They did the same thing with a bunch of my other hobbies like vidya. I remember when they'd bully all us nerds because we were playing vidya on the weekends and watching subbed anime that wasn't DBZ and Pokemon. Never understood why those two were given a pass and everything else wasn't. I guess you can include Sailor Moon too since a lot of the girls watched that shit when it was on WB.

Now all these people are constantly posting memes about these topics and shitting up the hobby. They're the ones driving up the prices on old vidya games and consoles. They're the ones demanding censorship of the anime and encouraging the shitty dubs. None of them even bother to learn Japanese.

I was lucky enough to have Japanese offered as a 2nd language at my High School back in 1999. Our teacher HATED otaku shit. Probably because it made up the majority of her class. All us kids constantly got picked on. Now the same people that were doing the bullying claim they always loved those old shows. They haven't stopped bullying either. They are the same types seeking out reddit janny positions and demanding everything that allows free speech on the internet be deplatformed. They're the ones that participate in cancel culture. I hate them so much. These are the same people that made fun of us for being into computers and tech shit back in the day.

Every last one of these fags got into the hobby about the time Big Bang Theory became popular. I can't remember the exact year but at some point in my early adult life every hobby I had suddenly became cool in the mainstream. Next thing I knew all the kids that dressed like preps were wearing thick glasses and dressing like hipsters.

>>39334039
Oh the worst part is by the time I could afford to go to Japan they'd managed to ruin all the otaku places over there. So many tourists. Couldn't even find a good tech street vendor. I didn't even bother spending more than a day there. Thankfully they haven't shit up Fuji-san yet.

>>39334052
>Oh the worst part is by the time I could afford to go to Japan they'd managed to ruin all the otaku places over there
this is the biggest thing that annoyed me on my second trip to tokyo. In my first trip I was still riding the high of "Oh shit, I'm actually in fucking akihabara", but on the second trip, aki's pretty overrated, specially on days with high westerner tourist traffic. Thank god I knew enough japanese to be able to navigate the local shops in alleyways and bars, getting shitfaced with random college dudes was the highlight of japan for me

>>39334068
Akihabara was such a disappointment for me. I guess I went on a particularly bad day. I saw more gaijin there than Japanese. What really bothered me was all the places I'd wanted to visit for years had closed up to be replaced with places that pander to tourists. I wasn't just there for the anime. I was there for the cheap technology vendors. Suffice to say I didn't leave with much.

The worst part of going to Japan was seeing a group of westerns walking around in cosplay. I don't know how much they paid for that cosplay experience but I wish they hadn't bothered. There were no "famous cosplayers" walking around. It was all just gaijin paying some local place to dress them up and let them walk around the streets.

Next time I go I won't even bother with the big cities. The best part of Japan for me was exploring the small towns. I didn't see any tourists there. But the locals are not very friendly anymore after dealing with so many brain dead gaijin I guess.

>>39334106
>I guess I went on a particularly bad day
I think this was just you being unlucky on the foot traffic dice roll. Akihabara itself is a disappointment but the bar scene near universities is actually pretty fun if you have the guts and enough Japanese to talk to random groups of friends

>>39283743
I think at its core it's someone who does not have a single otaku interest that they're passionate about, they're care more about being perceived a certain way rather than the material itself.

>>39333636
>this very site has an entire goddamn board dedicated to vtubers where your not allowed to criticize her
And it's not /jp/. Go there and whine about her, or did you get banned and that's really your problem? Why do you have to talk about shit from other boards no one cares about but yourself? Do you actually want /jp/ to talk about her so you can whine more?

>>39304915
Spineless fuck, get some shonen in you

>>39334106
>What really bothered me was all the places I'd wanted to visit for years had closed up to be replaced with places that pander to tourists. I wasn't just there for the anime. I was there for the cheap technology vendors.
Shoulda time traveled to the 80s then.

>>39334434
it's a lost battle

>>39334551
I've won every battle of which I've taken part. Indeed, as an honourable follower of bushido, the only battle in which I do not succeed shall be my last.

>>39304915
You're only called a /pol/fag if you're obvious about your infection.

>>39333995
Good work, keep looking it up until looking it up becomes piss easy.
For me the fastest method is just writing it down (you can figure out how almost every kanji is written from practicing just a few hundred).
Second fastest is searching by radicals in a dictionary

>>39276480
they're not otakus so they're irrelevant

>>39276480
I don't interact with other nerds much so I mostly don't care.

>>39345665
Anon... Don't be scared but you're interacting with nerds RIGHT NOW

>>39280364
hahahahahahahahahahha a vtumor complaining about other vtumors hahahahah oh my sides

>>39350705
He said he doesn't interact much, not never.

>>39360150
Good ending!

>>39297245
Normies complain about lolis, the exact opposite, far more than this

>>39280364
Go back to vt

>>39305266
there was anons running like 100 bots lol

>>39362053
how many more on that filter list?

>>39304915
it's a sad reality
sometimes i wish someone had the balls to start a nuclear apocalypse so that this world could hopefully be free from such insanity

>>39362630
You want a nuclear apocalypse because you get called an incel when you say you hate anime?

>>39362716
no
i just see that as part of a bigger issue with humanity as of now
this combined with others are proof that humanity is just bad at everything good

>>39362716
It's the transformation of what was into what is that's the problem, anon. The problem isn't specific to anime or otaku culture. It's general and happens when a fanbase or userbase grows so large that the majority consists of normalfags. The original idea/invention/discovery/etc. inevitably gets misused, misunderstood, misinterpreted, etc.

>>39362716
He wants to start a nuclear apocalypse because he thinks people call him a /pol/fag for saying he hates anime

>>39362866
this
thanks for understanding

>>39362593
Are you asking for my filters? I don't make more very often. Those are usually sufficient, then I have some for other stuff I don't like or care about.

>>39333867
Not a country

It's "cool" to be an otaku like it was to be "nerdy" or a "geek" after The Big Bang Theory became popular. Didn't you get the memo? Watching white women playing Minecraft with an anime rig or rapping is true otaku culture now

>>39333867
JIDF out in full force I see.

>>39362053
do not filter filter the flan

>>39333600
Cause I like 4chan

>>39363790
Flan isn't filtered though.

amogus sussy bakas kinda funky ngl

>>39364291
I'm literally crying right now how could they do this to my precious 2hus

>>39334106
Man how can you write a post like this and not realize the inherent irony in what you're saying

>>39305745
Yes I will post on /jp/
No I will not lurk first

>>39364000
>though

I'm still confused about how some anon went all schizo when I ended a sentence in "though" and now I'm both paranoid and tempted to keep doing it to bait him out; athough I know it's a bad idea to feed these trolls and contribute to the degradation of the board, my curiosity is pushing me on.
Personally I don't mind ironic weebs or obnoxious new blood- with time and pressure, they'll join the gang, like rotting wood becoming coal, and even further beyond that, very rarely you get a diamond. For me, it's the sorts like the one I mentioned above the tick me off- ones who come in with no respect for the culture, hobby or fans, and no desire to become a part of it. The ones who come purely to instigate, or drag their outside bullshit in thinking it's welcome. I'll bet many of those dumbass twitter touhou kids will eventually get curious about the games, or the music, or the manga and be inclined to look into it. Most will likely never play a Touhou game, but even reading the wiki, or watching gameplay is a step up from just parroting roblox memes, or IOSYS videos. They're new, and misguided, but while some are riding fads, others will adapt and join. But then you've got the bastards who see it and, well, appropriate it. This extends beyond Otaku culture into most areas of nerdom. And it always goes poorly.

>>39364770
>I'll bet many of those dumbass twitter touhou kids will eventually get curious about the games, or the music, or the manga and be inclined to look into it.
I've lurked a lot of places and a decent amount immediately jump into the games or start realizing there's more after touching the Touhouwiki. It took me almost two years to even see ZUN's art because there were less sources collected and I just watched IOSYS videos back in the day.
There's still a lot of other kids who will never touch the games and jump ship soon after consuming all the memes, though(oh no I said the word), the point is that this is just a normal process of a big fandom getting attention.
Also "though" is some kind of weird memed connected to nu-males or basedboys or whatever. I don't get the connection but you'll get a soijak pulled on you if you say it in the wrong company. It's one example of when gatekeeping can sometimes be used badly or psychotically.

>>39364770
>I'm both paranoid and tempted to keep doing it to bait him out;
Kill yourself. Seriously. And stop responding to people who post frogs or wojaks.

>>39276480
I think the shift from focusing on otaku related stuff like anime, manga, vns, games, etc to the personalities like v-tubers and twitter people in the otaku community has made it degrade.
To summarize, the shift from things to people.

>>39365879
You could argue that's a symptom of normalfags. They're obsessed with people.

>>39365879
i've seen this play out in a lot of hobby places, it's not just otaku culture. imo i think it's because of social media. it's kind of hard to describe the issue deeper...you have to have the best / approved of social image while talking about your interests, instead of just focusing on the interest by itself.

>>39365879
Why are vtubers invalidated as otaku, both themselves and as interests, when it's essentially an industry based on putting otaku on camera and having people watch them do otaku stuff?

>>39366454
Is this what they call, otaku otaku?

>>39364770
ignore schizos or intentionally trigger them and tire them out, theres many absolutely retarded ones that flip the fuck out if you say things.like kino

>>39362053
mental illness
btw vbijin is the new.meta
>>39360056
don't mind this anon he is not well at all
>>39335081
true
>>39334434
based that said fuck poltards
>>39333995
if you don't fight you cant win
戦え！
>>39330288
well okay

Is tripfagging /jp/ culture? Why has that practice mostly died compared to early /jp/?

>>39305498
you hate this kind of movie

>>39366784
trips are cancer

>>39366784
Because they got banned and their trips banned and moved on to some shit spinoffs.

>>39367504
based fuck trips

>>39366784
Yeah what the HELL happened to them? Bet they all went to the gaybar

>>39367454
but they were our cancer

>>39367625
what's trev up to nowadays? does anyone know?

>>39367682
cute but cancer is best gone trust me
here have a babe, theyre like trips but cute and funny
sorry got custard on them

>>39367693
I knew fucking nothing about him when people were spamming about him all day. I feel like I was out of the loop of some circlejerks

Why does every /jp/ have some horrible flaw?

>>39364770
attacking "thoughers" is a meme, relax.

I'm going to take a jaypee break to realign myself. I'm not being the best /jp/sie I can be...

>>39367825
he was an early adopter of a style of shitposting that later became mainstream on 4chan

>>39368618
you are me 7 years ago

If old tripfags were still around, they'd be tubers or posting tiktoks of themselves.

>>39368203
We are ancient Greek heroes

>>39369666
Was he? Seemed like it was a board group effort that of course leaked to rest of the site. It's actually kinda impressive but no one will know. The cold morning spring breeze right now takes me back to those days when I thought it was all hilarious

>>39362053
>flanfly
KYS

>>39368203
There is at least one good /jp/ out there.

>>39276480
People nowadays have an unfortunate tendency to treat their passing interests like great passions, and that's very awkward for me when they act this way about things that I truly cherish.
Too many people seem to want the destination without the journey. They want to be a fan of Touhou without putting in the effort of playing the games, or they want to read Japanese novels without taking the time to learn the language. I see this pattern repeating itself over and over.
Should they never grow beyond this point they might lose out on knowing the anticipation of waiting for a package from halfway around the world, or the joy of growing as a person alongside the stories they love. I think that's a real shame.
In general, I think people should be free to enjoy art in whatever way they like, no matter how much it makes me want to roll my eyes. But as people with this kind of consumerist tourist mindset increasingly outnumber the rest of us, the impact on the community as a whole is acidic. Their low standards open the door to terrible translations, censorship, and even political pressure that has the potential to slowly but surely erode what makes our hobbies so special.
That all being said, I think the future is still bright. One lifelong passion outweighs a thousand passing interests, and every day a new person finds a missing piece of themselves in the stories we love. Truly wonderful media continues to be made in Japan and finding classics and hidden gems from decades past is easier and better than it ever has been. I'm proud of the person I'm becoming alongside my hobby, and nothing anyone else does will ever change that.

>>39366454
They're okay until Western vtubers emerged and Twitterfags realized how manipulatable the industry is for their agenda. Heck even China at one point released vtubers to spread their propaganda. Also because the hate towards gachafags that is basically legal gambling can be justifies towards hate towards vtubers since some if not most of them use it to milk money out of man. Ones that do it for fun or to push their product(musician or mangakas) are kinda okay in my book though

>>39276480
I blame streaming services. As >>39372437 said, the harder something is to obtain, the more devoted the fanbase. Once a shortcut to instant gratification appears, in flood the normalfags.

>>39365538
No humour

>>39366617
/pol/ won, sweaty

>>39371085
>Seemed like it was a board group effort that of course leaked to rest of the site. It's actually kinda impressive but no one will know.
You know, I feel that same way, like T and the shitpost gang somehow influenced all of 4chan from the shadows between 2010 and 2015 or so. But thinking objectively that has to be giving them too much credit. During that period of 4chan history /jp/ had a really strong culture that was extremely insular and dismissive of crossboarders, so probably a lot of us didn't realize the way the site's culture as a whole was slowly changing, and assumed /jp/ was the center of the world and responsible for everything. I remember I unironically thought for the longest time that #YOLO was a /jp/ meme and didn't realize it was a normie thing until later. Heh.

>>39379161
On the other hand, a lot of /vg/ posters and /r9k/ types were runoff from /jp/ and those kinds of posters do sort of dominate parts of the site. But then a lot of shitposting on /jp/ was from /fit/, /sp/, /prog/, and foreign chans. It all kinds of sloshes around. I remember investment banker being on /pol/ or whichever incarnation of it, before /jp/, and was probably shitposting other boards as well.

>I unironically thought for the longest time that #YOLO was a /jp/ meme and didn't realize it was a normie thing until later.
I still don't know if viper the rapper is an actual thing or just chan inspired shitposter material

>>39379606
Investment Banker goes way back yeah, tripfags and namefags tend to connect with each other on IRC and other non-Anon services more than normal Anons do, so yeah it's kind of hard to say whether the people who pushed a certain posting style were "from" a certain board or not. I was browsing through old threads on the W and found this interesting blog post from Nagi that explains some behind the scenes stuff of that time:
https://nagistratos.wordpress.com/2016/07/08/the-internet-can-be-unforgiving/
This is mostly about /a/ but there's some familiar names in there too, like you said it all sloshes around. You know, I'm pretty sure a lot of /qa/'s population came from the /jp/ funposting crowd, so in a way you could even say /jp/ is responsible for basedjak.

I remember now. /jp/ is good because all of my friends are here. I can have fun posting about things I enjoy. Sure, things aren't perfect, but it's the best I have.
I love you /jp/!

>>39304915
>In this optimist era if something is popular you just have to accept it and move
True. This sort of mentality was always there but it's becoming more prevalent.

>>39379970
I love you too Anon.

>>39379872
/jp/ via /bant/ and /s4s/ maybe. /jp/ is guilty of spreading feelsguy around in the way that /v/ is guilty of spreading "feels good man" around, but neither board is responsible for the direct state of either of those things now, especially since neither has to do with feeling anything anymore. I don't know where any of that shit stewed up from, it feels like every board made their own weird wojak variant and then twitterfags or whoever made those weird ones with ears. I get the feeling that /sp/ is behind the use of frogs as anti-janitor shitposting.

>>39379970
But I browse /jp/ and I don't have any friends...

How do you make friends here?

>>39380320
We're all friends here Anon.

>>39370246
>>39366784
Tripfags didn't get banned, they just moved to discords where they can get all the attention they want.

>>39334452
Not a tranny flag in sight.
The seethe from the mentally ill troons must have been biblical.

>>39378768
Not in 2020 it didn't

>>39382088
/pol/ wouldn't have "won" even if Trump got a second term

>>39379161
There's so many little small jokes that I don't really know how to bring them up. There's no other place that has "me on the left" before /jp/ that I know of, nowadays you see it every now and then on the least /jp/-adjacent boards.
Being part of some smaller groups before, I know that feeling of seeing a joke and not realizing they took it from somewhere else.
#YOLO was a really popular ironic thing everyone did online back then, tongue in cheek usage of normie slang
>>39379606
>/sp/
I remember when "janny" and "does it for free" entered the site lexicon, someone noted how interesting it is that /sp/ was the first board to have some relationship with its janitor, obviously I wanted to bring up /jp/ and its meido but I just tried to keep my mouth shut.
>/prog/
I think that's one of the predecessors to the /jp/ shitposting style and where a lot of people here intermingled with before the 4chan textboards were shutdown.
>I still don't know if viper the rapper is an actual thing or just chan inspired shitposter material
What a coincidence, I started getting into him last year after years of just knowing him as a meme. He's definitely real, he's just kinda fucked in the head. It's hard to tell when he's joking or not, he is aware of his meme status.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY9V6aDdl8A

>>39380260
>/jp/ via /bant/ and /s4s/ maybe.
/s4s/ is defiantly the key here, a board solely for shitposting would attract a board indirectly filled with shitposters like here, and memes would spread.
>/jp/ is guilty of spreading feelsguy around
I don't remember this though, it felt like wojak was already an "outsider" meme by 2012.
>especially since neither has to do with feeling anything anymore
They basically became modern day rage comics.

>>39382567
>>39382581
>There's no other place that has "me on the left" before /jp/ that I know of, nowadays you see it every now and then on the least /jp/-adjacent boards.
I'm guilty of that sometimes, I'll post shit like "[X] Jump in the lake" or "post it on the jay brah" out of context just to see if there's any other ex /jp/ers around. It was always considered heretical to spread /jp/ culture to the outside but whatever, that period of my life is gone now, can't ever go back to those dreamlike days.
>janny
I know trevor was using this before it was popular on the site at large but I don't know where he got it from. I've never used /sp/ much so yeah maybe it came from there. Here we had Meido (which basically referred to AoC) -> NSJ -> Janny, as shitposter/janitor relations worsened over time. I guess Janny stuck. I liked the NSJ characterization though.
>/prog/
>I think that's one of the predecessors to the /jp/ shitposting style
Can confirm, I was also on /prog/ before /jp/ was created. SICP copypastas with Touhou characters and the TOUHOU + ZUN Microsystems merger jokes are from /prog/ iirc.
>/s4s/
I really regret not having used this board more in its heyday, seems like it was a fun place.
>wojak
Wojak is an interesting case. "Feels guy" was definitely a meme on /jp/ before it was common on 4chan, but I don't think it actually originated here, nor do I remember the name wojak being used until later when it was more popular on other boards too. I think it must have come from a foreign language chan. Spurdo was also posted here frequently before becoming popular on other boards, I think /jp/ had a higher concentration of ESL posters from non-English speaking countries than other boards.

>>39379872
>You know, I'm pretty sure a lot of /qa/'s population came from the /jp/ funposting crowd, so in a way you could even say /jp/ is responsible for basedjak.
No, that was a different group. The /jp/adjacent era of /qa/ ended when mods took control of the board and the userbase changed. I don't care if the typical 4chan user remembers /qa/ as the raid army HQ for the second generation teenbro, but this thread seems to have adults in it and I'd prefer people to know that there were good people there back then.

>>39379872
There is no lower form of life than the malicious "shitposter" depicted in that blog. I hope people don't take those crocodile tears seriously as you can sense the pride he feels when speaking of the antisocial rampages he took part in for his own amusement.

>>39382725
"me on the left" actually predates /jp/. It's quite possible it came from a forum and not a 4chan original, but that's certainly hard to prove now.

>I really regret not having used this board more in its heyday, seems like it was a fun place.
[s4s] was at one point essentially a /jp/ nijiura colony because moot refused to ever make such a thing and it's definitely not cool enough to have these days. Similar to /jp/ most of its stuff was lifted off futaba, like dickgirl madoka becoming the bury pink girl.

>>39383558
>No, that was a different group. The /jp/adjacent era of /qa/ ended when mods took control of the board and the userbase changed
Ah, okay, I wasn't sure. I used /qa/ when it first became a thing and there were /jp/ers there, then for whatever reason I stopped posting there and when I came back it had become the jak board.
>[s4s] was at one point essentially a /jp/ nijiura
I always used to beg for such a board, then when there was one I missed out on using it. Alas.

>>39379872
some have theorized that the sudden soijak explosion was caused by remnants from the /jp/ spinoff days but i guess we'll never know. regardless though, the weebs vs frogs era of /qa/ was over with a frog victory by the time the soijak craze started.

>>39382725
>I'm guilty of that sometimes, I'll post shit like "[X] Jump in the lake" or "post it on the jay brah" out of context just to see if there's any other ex /jp/ers around. It was always considered heretical to spread /jp/ culture to the outside but whatever, that period of my life is gone now, can't ever go back to those dreamlike days.
I didn't help either, I tried to stay quiet but I would spout "me on the left" and even stupider shit like what the HELL on other places back in the day, because I would browse /jp/ nonstop daily during my (first) NEEThood.
>I liked the NSJ characterization though.
I thought it was hilarious. And I think janny is just an easy way to shorten janitor, though I wouldn't be surprised if someone got it from here.
>Wojak is an interesting case. "Feels guy" was definitely a meme on /jp/ before it was common on 4chan, but I don't think it actually originated here, nor do I remember the name wojak being used until later when it was more popular on other boards too. I think it must have come from a foreign language chan. Spurdo was also posted here frequently before becoming popular on other boards, I think /jp/ had a higher concentration of ESL posters from non-English speaking countries than other boards.
Wojak comes from a Polish board on Krautchan, though I've heard some say it's even older than that, at least by a year and from some Eastern European site, but still made by the same guy. It's an example on how 4chan likes to suck its own dick in creating memes but then takes things from other places.
/jp/ is also the first time I saw spurdo and also what made me go to ylilauta back when it was still worth going, and it was never for the Finns. I do think the anti-ESL obsession is a modern thing. You'd still might get shit on, but not labeled ESL like you're on trial.
I've also heard people say the original "doge" style of memes came from here but I'm not gonna try to prove that or not. I do know that I would see the ms paint "wow much win" style of memes posted here with Touhou girls way back then.

>>39384361
Alright, I did some archive digging, you are right. Wojak is the name of the poster who drew the character originally and didn't start being used as the name of the character until much later. I must've missed that at the time, I only knew him as feels guy until the name wojak caught on a few years later.

>>39384592
Yup, it means warrior in Polish I think. "That feel when no gf" was due to his bad English too.
>I must've missed that at the time, I only knew him as feels guy until the name wojak caught on a few years later.
I remember when Pepe was regularly just called "sadfrog" or something. He was only called Pepe after he got big and people started digging up his origins again. I think it was just people trying to "prove" they're oldfags by showing they knew his name, even though not everyone knew about the Boy's Club comic and even less people were familiar with some random Polish poster.
"Feels guy" is a very 2011 way to name a meme to be honest

>>39384651
>I remember when Pepe was regularly just called "sadfrog" or something.
Even that was past the original use of it. People used to post that comic sometimes, I forget which board, but it was one of the more popular ones like that one comic series with the yellow background. They would just originally use is as it was, then it got changed from feels good to feels bad when bad feels and rage culture took off. Then people started just drawing him always sad. I don't know how he got to be alt-right frog, but I'm just glad we're past the NORMIES REEEE stage forever.

>>39276480
Much less annoying, but much less sincere

>>39384820
>I don't know how he got to be alt-right frog, but I'm just glad we're past the NORMIES REEEE stage forever.
Alt-right frog is just because he became a meme on a site that has places like /pol/, so of course both of them are gonna have Nazi edits. But there was a big effort to "taint" him after he started gaining traction on various other sites, along with the more scatological memes involving him. I'd say around 2014-2015, that's when his popularity started skyrocketing. This is when I noticed people saying Pepe more. There was also the big meme magick craze over Pepe and kek being an ancient Egyptian god back in 2015-2017. A lot of that craze had some Evola influence that I won't get into. I think shortly after that the word "Groyper" was also used as a self-label by neo-nazis and meant to evoke Pepe, originally referring to a specific smug edit of him, but I really did not care for those fags. They're literally zoomers, I think.
Of course all that shit usually only causes second-hand embarrassment, and Pepe is now used everywhere, including fucking Twitch which has almost nothing but Pepe emojis. The majority of those emojis we got for April Fool's were from Twitch, and a lot of them were Pepe's. And speaking on Finland, a lot of them were Apu's too, a Ylilauta version of Pepe that is also used everywhere now. Spurdo also has an interesting history that I always wanted to detail, but talking this much about the cartoon 4chan frog already means I should place my balls on a mousetrap soon

>>39385178
Forget Spurdo, somehow it's become American stereotype bear anyway, what's with the long legged one, Gondola or whatever?

>>39385217
>somehow it's become American stereotype bear anyway
Bro that meme is like ten years old by now, le American bear. It was made by some Turkish guy on ylilauta's /int/, it was the first thing I saw when going there after someone linked the site on /jp/.
>what's with the long legged one, Gondola or whatever?
Yes, Gondola, that one was made by an Italian guy on the same board back in 2015. Most of the memes came from /int/, people are right when they say the actual Finnish part of the site is full of normalfags.
It adds an extra layer to everything, while 4chan grabbed wojak from KC and spread it everywhere, KC nabbed it Gondola from Ylilauta and the board had a whole little purity shitstorm over a meme being stolen.

/jp/ - Meme Historians

>>39385178
>But there was a big effort to "taint" him after he started gaining traction on various other sites, along with the more scatological memes involving him.
It's funny, there was an interview with the guy who drew Boys Club from before 2016/Trump, but after Pee Pee Poo Poo was a thing, and he was saying stuff like "heh yeah I'm honored that so many people used my character, some of the memes can be a little gross out but that's the internet for you eh hahaha, I wouldn't try to stop it" but then as soon as the media started associating pepe with those ebil neon nazis, he suddenly became all anti-pepe-as-a-meme and tried to use copyright to shut it down. Really says something when having your character literally pissing and shitting on people is seen as more socially acceptable than having it associated with some political movement.
>groyper
Those are followers of Nick Fuentes, and yeah they're mostly ledditers and zoomer magatards.

>>39385461
To break the seriousness of the thread, reading
>neon nazis
made me laugh. years and years of internet and I have learned nothing about nothing.
Danke.

>>39384937
Does this guy even draw comics still? I remember when we bullied him hard back on /b/ for trying to bury the porn he drew before he got famous.

>>39385522
>neon nazis
say it fast enough and you'll sound just like an american

>>39385461
>Really says something when having your character literally pissing and shitting on people is seen as more socially acceptable than having it associated with some political movement.
I mean one is cartoon gross out humor and the other are people with politics that want to have an effect on the real world filled with people. If I drew a comic I made with two hands and sold for money, I would have something to say about about a swarm of people proposing actions I don't like using it for their own causes. You can call a lot of things just "some political movement".
>Those are followers of Nick Fuentes, and yeah they're mostly ledditers and zoomer magatards.
Yes, he was probably still in his teens when everything I described happened, and to be honest I didn't want to spout his name. He's also trying to get near politicians, so that's an example.
>>39385522
I'm quite buzzed right now

>>39385549
Me on the left
>Does this guy even draw comics still?
I have no clue but last time I heard of him, someone on /co/ was talking about him visiting their college. It must have been 2017, and the comic still took place a few days into 2000.
>I remember when we bullied him hard back on /b/ for trying to bury the porn he drew before he got famous.
If I got big I hope people find my loli

>>39276558
The state of /jp/

>>39276480
>modern otaku culture?
The modern otaku culture is when a western 3dpd tells you about trans rights under an animated 2d avatar. That's what your modern culture is.

>>39389068
we must secure the existence of otaku culture and a future for 2D children

>>39385314
Some of them are technically right. I don't bother complaining because once "normies" got ahold of something it's pretty much a lost case, but it really feels weird to me that I've live long enough to see all of this :
>comics reader called weebs by guys and losers by girls
>the le BAZINGA happened
>it's suddenly trendy to be a comic's nerd, pop culture songs like "I'm nerdy and I know it" gets extremely popular as a result

>video games players called losers by everyone, World of Warcraft players called nolife neckbeards by everyone
>most parents and teachers suggest that those kids need to see a therapist
>both genre eventually get bastardized
>mobile gaming everywhere, league of legends rebrand of old genres, farming simulators
>now everyone plays video games, but for some reason the "losers" segregation still continues

>old anime watchers literally called freaks and pedos even back then
>but shit like Elfen Lied opened the forbidden gate
>retards got it
>Now everyone is an anime expert and "has been watching anime since I was a kid!!!", claimng to be a DBZ fan despite having never heard or seen a single episode of DB, with my personal favorite : "Arale? who's that? lmao"

I could go on with tons of example like that but you get the point. While I've stopped caring, the whole hypocrisy of the situation still rubs me the wrong way though.

>>39396963
Yes, it is a studied and well known phenomenon.

>>39362716
you are putting words in his mouth and missing the point, proving him right

are vtubers part of the otaku culture anyway?

>>39397328
Imagine the guy who fuck girl with cat ears and anal tail on camera, and she screaming "nya, nya, nya!". Can you consider it as part of otaku culture?

>>39397424
uhm, just a minute sir, did this actually happen in the vtuber community? can you post a link sir?

>>39397424
Yes. please tell me the JAV code.

>>39389068
>>39396963
sometimes i wish the world just ends
like can anyone please start the nuclear apocalypse please?
i think we're long overdue of such extinction event purely because of what humanity has become
sometimes i really feel like i just hate humanity just for what it's doing now
and the uncomfortable truth being that the only way is down as it's all nothing but a race to the bottom
why won't somebody just nuke us all and end this madness?

>>39297245
Not even FUCKING close.
Tits AREN'T BIG ENOUGH.

>>39399702
Humanity isn't in a shape so dire yet.
You haven't seen true madness, dispense with foolish drama.

>>39399830
then what can you call the absolute deluge of shit called politics?
and agendas too as basically a worse version of that because of the sheer fact that it has wide far reaching effects on society that even goes beyond what politics can do?
all i see from the latest shit is not people being shit
all i see is just the symptoms of humanity
humans can never get together if what has the world become has shown me
and with that
i think it's better if humanity as a whole die or disappear forever from this world
sadly the means for achieving such goals (nuclear weapons in enough numbers so as to start a nuclear apocalypse that will last long enough for humanity to be dead for absolute certainty) are literally impossible to get
if you truly think that there's something worse than agendas and politics which are literally the biggest symptom of the disease known as humanity then show me
still
humanity only deserves extinction
look at how divided we are all
unable to ever be even just somewhat united with a goal of peace and happiness for all
nor even being able to not poison the world we live in
but let's not get too preachy about that thing
it's an impossible dream and the only way to fix all of this mistake is through every last human dying

>>39399702
Now now, I think nuking the whole world just because of a flock of retards is overkill. Rather than that we should just use this as a learning opportunity to reaffirm that gate-keeping IS necessary.
It's actually funny because the same shit happened with the vtubers. Started as a small Japanese niche with small communities, got mainstream, got so bad that we had to make a containment board, and now we are [here]. I guess that it's just another thing to add onto /jp/ history.

>>39399960
Politics is politics, as it always was, just in worse public state, appearance wise.
>agendas
There are always those, numerous.
Also there's an attempt to ruin our species.
>symptoms
Pretentious.
>humans can never get together
Irrelevant and not needed.
>die
Because of your emotionally agitated reasoning? No.
>show me
No. You neither warrant, nor deserve knowledge of such, nor do you appear of any healthy sane reasoning.
>deserves
Also no, by literal word definition.
>unity
Is irrelevant, not needed.
>fix
You know not what you talk about.

>>39399971
here's one problem
you can't exactly fully gatekeep everything forever
if one wants to enter and has the force community wise big enough they can forcefully enter eventually
though then again maybe being isolated is prolly a good thing so you might have a point there

>>39400026
then tell me
what to even do?
what to do since you obviously know better than i am
what to do in an increasingly decaying world that just becomes more depressing by the second?
just tell me

>>39400058
Control your emotions and wise up.
Unfolding solutions on a field ill conducting to happiness (which isn't end all be all even within its own purview, nor are reasons to existence limited to such even in their purview) risks more tragedy, civilizations may be not the most complex things in reality, but they are still astronomically complex, by themselves and by potential futures.
One can't meddle in their operation easily and not pay the price somewhere down the line.
Provided specifics world will pull through as always, other specifics will take subtler approaches to deal with.

>>39400124
Also, though there's something to be said about living in ignorance, media representations of things aren't necessarily indicative of full picture.

>>39399971
>same shit happened with the vtubers. Started as a small Japanese niche with small communities, got mainstream
You're comletely wrong. Vtubers was cancer since their creation. Also vteens literally stole the idol concept. But instead of shaking their hands with "i love you, Fan-kun! phrase, you throw your money into monitor, paying whores who abuse 2d avatars. The absolute cancer with no excuses.

>>39401411
>Vtubers was cancer since their creation
Disagree. When I say vtubers I'm talking in general, not necessarily the ethot rise that it became. If you go way back just a facerig on a cat could be called a "virtual youtuber". Or I guess that if we want to get technical we should probably call those virtual avatars instead.
I'm going back on that, and that was mostly a Japan thing. As in real voice, but mostly text-to-speech, that most people would use when just doing vlogs or having small talks sessions. You'd often see Japanese people just do those talks with some png of a chibi character or a pet acting as a sort of facecam, because that's sort of a cultural thing considering how people are over there. It was never a Western thing because obviously it was "lmao too cringe" or "too weeb".

I can't pinpoint exactly when it happened but some (non-jp) people took the yukkuri facerigs way too seriously and iterated on those while migrating to Youtube. This first wave resulted in garbage like that other girl making Minecraft shitposts that I shall not name.
Then Kizuna happened, which was a major turning point for the masses. Even though vtubing has already been around for a while she made the thing mainstream and gave others people that "yeah, we could make money off this on Youtube!". It just all went downhill from there.

>>39400058
It's okay Anon. We're all going to make it.

>>39276480
>too people like it so it's... LE BAD!
fuck off

>>39402895
>LE BAD
Wrong board, faggot.
>>>/pol/
>>>/b/

>>39402924
cry about it bitch

>>39384361
>Wojak comes from a Polish board on Krautchan
It was KC /int/. I remember because I was there when the meme was being forced, there was "that feel when no gf" thread with the original picture every day for over a year.

>>39404878
Makes me wonder why /jp/ went from /a/'s 'so ronery' to hating women and engaging in faggot shit like anime kig meetups, 2hu cosplay porn, and begging people for videos of them fucking their onaholes.

>>39404878
I meant poster, I misspoke by saying "board".
Though I've been told it started being posted earlier on vk(which I know is Russian), I can't really confirm it.

>>39404934
Most women-hatred comes from loneliness or rejection, if it's not coming from unresolved mother issues that is, so I don't think it's a big leap. And 4chan attracts a lot of angry lonely dudes who want to say shit just because they can say it.
The anime kig and gay cosplay stuff was already there for a while and I think probably more rampant if it wasn't for the tranny hate obsession these days. I fear like some early 2010's /jp/ and /a/ culture influenced a lot of the uwu anime trap memes of the last decade.
But as someone else said, it might just be my bias as someone who only went on here all day

>>39400026
>Politics is politics, as it always was, just in worse public state, appearance wise.
The key observation is that it's worsening, not improving. My mind puts more weight on this trend being inevitable in a world where resources are finite, technologically advanced societies compete, and curiosity, greed, and the fear of dying are built into the creatures driving those advancements. As resources deplete, or as societies are pressured towards extincton, ideas and actions have to become more radical; desperate times call for desperate measures. This is true for every animal, not just technologically advanced ones.

>Irrelevant and not needed.
Might be needed if we expect technology to advance while competing for finite resources. Although arguably necessary, the variability of the world makes unity unattainable, since a single lifestyle cannot simultaneously suit all regions of earth.

If anything, we're doomed to iterate through periods of relative peace, when no society has an existential crisis, followed by periods of great turmoil. Each iteration being harsher than the last, as resources to survive become more and more scarce.

I think natural selection erred when it produced creatures that have both intelligence and emotion.

>>39406320
damn... really makes u think

>>39288425
This is a deplorable kind of person. Personally I have nothing in common with other weebs but am still an otaku basically. I can't carry on a conversation about weeb shit in real life, but instead feel comfortable doing it on the internet. Weebs are universally hated. I could give less of a fuck about jujutsu kaisen but I guess there are like 3 mainstream anime that you are allowed to like without being considered trash.

NOOO YO UCAN'T LIKE JAPANESE CULTURE I LIKED IT BEFORE YOU ONLY I CAN

>>39407083
>Weebs are universally hated
Unattractive* weebs. Please don't forget that we now are in the era where the ironic unironically ironical weebs have popular Youtube channels TheAnimeMan, Gigguk and his wife, Nux etc, where female weebs are actually completely desirable even when they're completely fake as shown by groups like Vshojos, where chaturbate girls posing as vtubers are called "pure and cute" unironically, and where the most popular VR platform still is VRchat with all its catboygirls and other degeneracy.

But I think what made me understand the full extent of the ridiculousness of the situation was when I saw some video from that Lost Pause guy, with tons of anime figurines and a huge catgirl in the background, call the Azuma Hikari project a "project for real sad, loser individuals" or something like that. This has to be the most blatant kettle-pot I've seen in years.

>>39406320
a sad reality
i just wish one day this isn't a case but we all might be dead before that even become reality
or worse, we would never reach such reality where it's no longer the case

>>39397424
I mean, they draw from Otaku culture but they're like a different thing at this point, specially ENvtubers, they're not very anime-like, only the avatar, and that may change at some point

>>39407758
What is anime-like? What are the qualities of anime? Are there any recent anime that aren't anime-like?

fuck Netflix and fuck westoids
you can cope, seethe and dilate all you want
but I know I'm right and things are only getting worse

>>39405180
>I fear like some early 2010's /jp/ and /a/ culture influenced a lot of the uwu anime trap memes of the last decade.
I've thought about this a lot too as it's quite relevant to my interests. I started writing a response and it became rather long, but here goes.

It's undeniable that there was a period where gay shit like traps, crossplay, and sucking cocks (dude) was a popular meme on /jp/. A lot of it was ironic of course, but as with any community there was a subset of users who were legitimately homosexual/transsexual and identified with 2D traps and so forth. The wider popularity here of the image that /jp/ers were a bunch of closeted homos who meetup to suck each other off while wearing Touhou costumes, was popular primarily because it was amusing. 4chan wasn't as serious back then. Similarly, the presence of traps (男の娘, 女装子) as a subgenre of otaku culture has historically had no political sentiment or association with social justice/LGBT causes, which are wholly a product of the West and foreign to Japan.

>>39407802
>What are the qualities of anime?
besides the art style, Anime kinda represent Japanese values (can be modern and progressive values too, don't get me wrong, but they definitely don't behave like Americans)
the way characters behave and interact with each other, and their approach to technology, nature, religion, and society are just... so different from the western world. it's hard to describe but what I like about Japanese culture is that is not so individualistic (and can be a bad thing sometimes, I still think it's an important value)
I love how wholesome can they be even when they talk about degenerate stuff, it's hilarious
oh and I love the humor, which is something that is going to disappear in the near future thanks to you know... this super forced globalization, cause the thing about cosmopolitanism is that values tend to be equalized...
it's actually something super interesting but I'm ESL so you should just read about it

(cont.)

The fact is that the trap memes that were popular on /jp/ back in the day, AND the subsequent adoption of 2D as a motif by the reactionary right, were both natural and spontaneous occurrences. During the events of 2015-2016, so called "election tourists" happily adopted the 2D friendly culture of 4chan - these users may have been annoying redditor normies, but they were very much not against 2D. This was not an intentional move by the right wing's old guard, at least not to any meaningful degree - it was the natural progression of the anti-SJW sentiment that swelled on the internet post gamergate, in combination with the fact that 4chan, as a historically anti-establishment anime website, was naturally aligned against the SJW tendency to attack and try to censor or otherwise shutdown 2D, erotic anime, fan service in video games, etc., under the guise of it being misogynist.

In contrast to the above, recent attempts to associate trannies with 2D are driven by an explicitly political agenda. Rather than being a natural byproduct of folks who just so happen to both be queer and like anime (who do undoubtedly exist!), these attempts are instead a concentrated campaign by miscellaneous elements on "the left" to "take back anime" from "the right." The goal of this campaign is primarily divide and conquer - armchair political strategists of /leftypol/ and similar communities see the "anime right" as a huge threat. The haphazard alliance between otaku and racial/sexual realists leading up to 2016 is what birthed the so-called "alt right", breathing new life into a movement that was previously seen as largely defeated and made up only of cranky boring old white racists. Allying with 2D gave the right wing a much needed softer and more feminine side, undoubtedly introducing tons of new recruits to its causes who would never have discovered such ways of thinking otherwise. This fact was not lost on the right's enemies. There was a very sharp, calculated pivot post 2016 from painting 2D as misogynist and framing Trump supporters as "childless single men who masturbate to anime", to attempting to take "back" anime from the right and drive a wedge between them and 2D otaku. "Tranime", the oft repeated (and factually incorrect) sentiment that "4chan used to be left wing", and the characterization of new /pol/ users brought in by the Trump campaign as being largely anti-anime, are all major talking points of this D&C campaign.

(cont.)
>>39407894
>>39407909

Given this turn of events, to what degree can /jp/'s gay streak be held responsible for "tranime"? At worst, we unintentionally provided some fuel for shills to burn. The people behind the current push are not /jp/ers, nor are they derived from /jp/ers. Most shills cannot be bothered to be historically correct or do any research, even when it would prop up their talking points - notice how despite their constant appeals to oldfags that "4chan wasn't always racist," they almost never actually go back to archives and pull up dirt on us acting like homos, or refer to the various gay memes that actually existed. This further reinforces the position that elements pushing the tranime narrative are not native to 4chan.

One last semi related thing, I've grown bored of sticking to one board and been doing a lot crossboarding lately, and one interesting thing I came across is the following series of essays which were being shilled by someone in /int/'s Japanese thread (quite possibly the author himself): https://kakuyomu.jp/works/16816927860040342257 These are written from the point of view of a Japanese "trap" who is politically aligned against globohomo, and are a very good read for anyone who knows Japanese and is interested in the subject. The first few chapters are rock solid - he loses some credibility when he starts going into the history between Christianity and homosexuality in the West, managing to ignore a pretty big... er, elephant in the room so to speak, when talking about the rise of the LGBT movement in America. But as he's a Japanese writing for other Japanese about the influence of the movement on Japan, I suppose this is to be expected. Overall it's a very solid take that shows first hand how Western leftism is gearing up to wreck havoc on otaku culture from within Japan, and restores some refreshing positive light on traps who, like >>39405180 says, have had it pretty hard since the "tranny hate obsession" kicked in. I feel like the gay memes of old /jp/ come from a similar place as this author.

>>39407918
>I feel like the gay memes of old /jp/ come from a similar place as this author.
For the records, the author of this image has nothing to do with /jp/. It was just the popular go-to edit to shitpost.
As for the rest of your posts, you're seeing too much in nothing. What happened in /jp/ was pure shitposting and a safe gate-keep to repel retards. The problem is that even moot had to point out that unironic shitposting was still shitposting to "newfags".

What happened in the West has nothing to do with /jp/ or even anime, they just love to find scapegoats and use it as an excuse to shit on a target subset of the population. One day it's comics, another day it's video games, another day it's anime, another day it's back to videogames. It's just easy to shit on and blame people when you know that your average sheep will automatically hate them for virtue-signaling. But anyway, this is past the topic of this thread.

>>39407983
>you're seeing too much in nothing
>What happened in /jp/ was pure shitposting and a safe gate-keep to repel retards
>What happened in the West has nothing to do with /jp/ or even anime
That's exactly what I was saying though. The gay stuff on old /jp/ was spontaneous memery, there is no connection to the politicized anime-avatar wielding trannies of today. I agree with you.

>>39288645
>never not
kill yourself

>>39407909
>the oft repeated (and factually incorrect) sentiment that "4chan used to be left wing",
What do you think it used to be?

>>39407983
>>I feel like the gay memes of old /jp/ come from a similar place as this author.
>For the records, the author of this image has nothing to do with /jp/.
Oh, also, I meant the author of the essays I posted, not the artist who drew that image.

remember if you pirate anime you're no better than the people you're hating on :)

Modern/Normie Otaku Culture consists entirely of Vtubers, Gacha trash, and flavor of the month anime. Otaku Culture beyond surface level of facebook/twitter still exists, but given how fucking big the surface net is, its easy to assume otaku culture is dead. It kinda is, but if you stick to what you like and find a circle, youll be fine.

That being said, the rise of ironic weebs usually fit right in with this image. Ironic weebs are a plague on the hobby, in the same vein social media sites have been.

>>39408030
Anti-establishment, libertarian, free speech absolutist, and contrarian. I hate to use that last one because it's a popular buzzword among shills recently, but it is accurate. 4chan was never "left wing," racists memes have been a major staple of the 4chan repertoire since old /b/. If you recall, Bill O'Reilly once referred to 4chan as a "far left" website, the image of which became a meme for a while because it was such a nonsensical shot from the hip.

>>39408064
otaku culture being dead, as in, the interactions and sharing of ideas of the past. These days its just recycling horrible memes and spouting buzzwords without a shred of originality.

Old weebs: "I hate white cultures, Japanese culture is so superior"
New weebs: "I hate non-white cultures, Japanese culture is so superior"

>>39367693
literally just go to his site and ask him

>>39382567
>There's no other place that has "me on the left" before /jp/ that I know of
It's an ancient meme

>>39408153
Oh wow, it exists again. I will do that later, thank you.

>>39407896
Good post Anon. That abstract, "anime-like"ness that you're describing should be well known to any fan of the genre. I too will be very depressed if it is replaced by generic Western progressivism/globalism. EN vtubers are a step in that direction. Thankfully most otaku content is still produced in Japan, and Japanese people can't speak English very well and are largely ignorant to what's happening in the West. I think we have another generation or so at least until anime dies for good.

>>39407857
>things are only getting worse
sadly you are right
sometimes i really REALLY wish someone have already ended the world so this insanity can all just end
maybe if that happens no more shit like this
but sadly to dream of such scenario becoming reality is literally impossible
and thus the only thing that is possible is to just weather out hell because there is literally no other choice

Why do you tards want the world to end because of a non issue? Maybe otaku were a mistake. Stop caring about what some retard on youtube or twitter does.

"oh noes my anime that was already full of gayshit is going to be full of gayshit in the future!" Screaming because twitter wants more female and lesbian representation in otaku works and then getting mad when there are boys in the same works as girls. Asses literally catching on fire because one day there might be an anime where that boy that is treated as a part of the MC's female harem, goes to the baths with the females, and has worn a microbikini with no visible scrote leakage identifies as a girl and not a cute boy in a dress. And the only answer they can give is that "but it's different because it's political now!" All this ignoring that anime has been trash since the mid 2000s anyway. There's nothing of value to even lose. Just give up on this shit already and get into wargames or something.

Fuck loli whiners as well. Imagine if lolicon was widely accepted and mainstream. It'd end up with real life little girls making stupid ahegaos in tiktok and becoming tattooed covered webcam sluts before they exited elementary school. If that shit was remotely marketable to the public at large it'd just mean (((those guys you don't like))) would get their hands all over it and even all anime would just be those awful style of drawings that just look like midget adults instead of cute lolis. Cute JS fashion wouldn't exist, because what normalfags think is sexy are "adult" clothes, lingerie, high heels, tranny style makeup, and stuff like that.

>>39408056
>:)

>>39297689
Night sparrow...

>>39408923
>"it's a non issue brah just stop caring lol"
>proceeds to paint a horrifyingly nihilistic picture of the modern world
anon stop it you're not helping here

>>39407857
>pic
I swear, her favorite anime is BnHA, AOT, KnY and OPM.

>>39283743
It's pretty much this: >>39334426
The fumo surge in popularity is a good example of this. Suddenly you have thousands of twitter teens posting unfunny fuma related edits with stupid twitter lingo, but these said teens have never touched Touhou as a franchise. Most of them also probably have minimal interest/experience with Japanese otaku media in general. And yet they act like they're into Touhou and fumos and other shit just because they like the asthetic and being part of the "in" crowd.

>>39288425
>it's the type of person who uses the word "waifu" to describe literally any female character from Japanese media.
god I hate those

>>39334426
>>39410568
Of all the attempts I've heard over the years at separating "real" otaku from the posers, the one I like best is that otaku are people who can talk for hours on end about their interests.

>>39409977
I'm nihilistic in general. The past sucked as well, and the future will too. Stop caring so much about cheap entertainment. I'm sure there were people in Rome complaining about how arena events used to be better when they were mock military battles and not pro-wrestling style death matches. I mean hell, people in old Greece were whining about women in basically the same way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assemblywomen

The world has been in a constant state of rot since the start of humanity, get used to it and expand your interests and stop indulging in things that make you miserable.

>>39334426
>>39410568
Why are they "ironic" and not just posers? I thought the ironic part implied that they tried to pass off their hobbies, which they genuinely liked no matter how pleb their tastes were, as being merely ironic so they don't get cancelled by their peers.

>>39410882
I think that's adding another layer, the "otaku larping as ironic weeb" type. The single layer ironic otaku are just fags adopting some surface mannerisms of otaku culture because they think it's funny.

>>39410882
Because they are just being "ironic". It's epic memes to them. In my experience they don't have any real interest in the stuff. They lacked any actual actual knowledge. So many misconceptions and mistakes. It's a spit in the face when those types call themself a weeb. It was a derogatory term for so long, and now those same faggots use it as a fashion statement.
Of course, they're posers too.

>>39411090
Engaging in memes because you like them is what being ironic is now?

>>39411185
>>39411090
To put it another way when you say stuff like "sus frfr no cap" you're doing it because you think it's funny and that makes it ironic? It's not because you hate it and are being derisive?

>>39406320
Technological advancement can fix at least some, and ultimately all scarcity problems.
It's then, when the real clusterfuck shall begin.

>>39406320
>I think natural selection erred when it produced creatures that have both intelligence and emotion.
Also, no.
Humans are well enough, if not even close to their peak.

>>39405180
It comes from emotional degradation as well.
They're not adequate at handling their emotions which leads them into turmoil deadlock of self-harming stupidity.

>>39396963
>anime watchers literally called freaks and pedos even back then
This still happens anon

>>39407245
I still can't believe weeb celebrities are a thing.

>>39417512
Why is that hard to grasp?

>>39417512
They only like it for clout anyway. One of the Kardashians (idk which they're all gross lizard people to me) dyed their hair pink because they wanted to look like 02 since it was the flavor of the month show online. And then never brought it up again.
>>39410568
>And yet they act like they're into ... other shit just for the aesthetic
Animecore was a mistake.

>>39411239
It's a bit of both I think for something like "sus frfr no cap", people using this slang ironically probably find it funny precisely because they think it's dumb. As for "ironic weebs" I doubt most people like that actually dislike the source material, they probably legitimately like the artwork and enjoy occasionally watching shows. In that way they'd just be casual fans, which would be fine in my opinion. I think what grinds my gears about these people isn't their lack of dedication to otaku culture, it's that they'll say things to their normie friends like "oh, yeah, I like anime, but some people take it too far you know?" "I only like dakimakura/eroge/{insert-whatever-other-thing-that's-considered-hardcore-here} ironically, people who take that seriously are freaks", and they'll criticize the deeper and more fringe parts of the groups they participate in as being "bad for the fandom" or "giving us a bad image". It's actually a very similar phenomenon to optics cucking and punching right in politics. Casuals don't like being considered casual for whatever reason, so they desire to drive out the more dedicated folks and make the entire group like them. They're like the colored stick figures in >>39397006, and this is primarily why people hate them. If they were respectful of the more dedicated parts of the group and accepted the fact that they're secondaries I don't think there would be such animosity towards the phenomenon.

>>39411865
Not sure what you mean.

Humans are close to their peak? Who knows, but if so, that's an argument against all hope.

Or do you mean we're still far from the peak? In that case, we're infants, a notion everyone needs to accept quickly. The sooner we realize how childish we are, the sooner we can start growing in a manner that doesn't necessarily end in self-annihilation.

>>39420835
>it's that they'll say things to their normie friends like "oh, yeah, I like anime, but some people take it too far you know?" "I only like dakimakura/eroge/{insert-whatever-other-thing-that's-considered-hardcore-here} ironically, people who take that seriously are freaks", and they'll criticize the deeper and more fringe parts of the groups they participate in as being "bad for the fandom" or "giving us a bad image".
See, the problem here is that's what otaku are. They're people who obsess over children's cartoons. Sure there's by-otaku-for-otaku and by-corporate-for-otaku anime, but those surface level mainstream anime are just entertainment for kids. Kids watch them, enjoy them in their way, and that's it. Maybe they like it enough to buy figurines or napkins of them, but they aren't otaku who care deeply enough about the characters to make 15 minute 3D porn videos of them. That stuff is weird. That's why otaku are a fringe group. I don't get why people are suddenly offended that they are being treated as what they are. Hell, lolicons and moefags are a fringe group within otaku even. The normal kids don't care about the deep analysis of the story and how you can identify every weapon and vehicle used in the series. They care even less about you having 15 different figurines of the otaku bait character, but they're bothered that character exists because it is weird, just as if you'd be bothered by a character there to pander to fujos in a mostly girl anime, or yurifags in a most-girls-love-the-MC anime. Otaku are basically defined as "people who take it too far".

As for "ironic otaku", they seem like just the kind of secondaries that claim they love, for instance, FF7 but their only experiences of it are seeing the characters in KH and reading wikis. the kind of people that enjoy the idea of something that they engage with the fandom but annoy the fandom because when they get asked specific thing about the game, they go "lol I don't like RPGs so I didn't play it". There are actual people who claim to ironically be into otaku stuff or some aspect of it, like that guy that used to go around with a dakimakura so he could go "Hey, look at me! I carry a dakimura around, I'm so quirky!" but you guys seem to just be angry about the usual secondaries. For some reason that they like the ahegao shirt is offensive, even though they probably think the ahegao and eromanga face cropping memes in general are funny. They know it's from porn, and they've probably seen some of them. It's still funny, just like if you explained to them the carmeldansen meme's dance is part of the opening to an eroge where the smaller girl in it is a mesugaki that has like 60% of the ero scenes, they wouldn't care and would probably chide you for even playing that game and learning enough Japanese just to be able to do so, but still use the meme because it is unironically cute and funny. Someone who was more invested might enough do a let's play because they were genuinely interested in the game, but then talk shit most of the time because they aren't a lolicon and a large amount of the girls, especially the main ones, are pretty flat. So they go after Ai, talk shit about her talking shit about herself all the time, and then talk more shit when they open up Unagi's story. That's not being ironic. Going "ToT child belly erotic" or styling yourself as a lolicon because you're not part of the big boobs faction is being ironic.

>accepted the fact that they're secondaries
That's like expecting idiots to accept the fact that they're idiots, and probably wrong because they're most likely the primary audience.

>Casuals don't like being considered casual for whatever reason
"What's that, you can't name 151 of any generation pokemon let alone the first gen ones? Fucking casual." No shit they don't like being called things. Otaku don't like being called obsessive manics, but that's what they are. You're not supposed to like being called a weeb/wap either. Even "otaku" was intended as an insult. Then there's the fact that someone who is a fan of the same thing that they have an interest in is telling them they're not invested enough into the thing they like to be allowed to show an interest in it.

>>39276480
This is my thought on modern otaku culture in the west: >>39417872
A bunch of entitled faggots. Japan should just close itself off again.

>>39276480
I don't like Vtuber and Gacha

>>39277344
Could have been far worse. They could have been EoSDs.

>>39423814
Should have been Patchouli, Sakuya, and Flan.

>>39276480
What culture?

>>39276480
zoomers ruin every obscure hobby

>>39422683
Hi Ruw
>>39426397
Even the corporate advertising girls just aren't the same...

>>39426397
Proof that the internet will never be the same we're beyond the point of no return it's all downhill ironic corpo weeb political normie shit from here

>>39427241
It's time to become an internet hikikomori

During the peak of the virus, things were looking kind of rough. But we're all here now. Comiket was able to have a big succesful comeback. Akihabara didn't collpase with all the shop shutdowns. My favorite arcades and maid cafes survived. And very few of the doujin artists and industry vets I like died. So otaku culture overall is in a good spot right now! For non-local EOPs, being an otaku is pretty easy right now too. Lots of stuff is translated, including official, supplemental, and douijn material. The autistic rabbit hole deep dives into otaku shit are deeper and wider then ever before in history, and you can go deeper without knowing a lick of Japanese than ever before.

>>39429708
>rabbit hole

>>39429708
One of the few people to actually talk about Japan in a thread about otaku culture in a board named /jp/. Well done. Meta threads are always interesting to see what a board's current demographics are like, and you are a diamond in the rough.
Did you see any of the VR ket events, or at least hear about them? I don't have any VR headsets, but I've seen recordings and the future is looking very bright. Of course the worry, as always, is that you might lose an artist or two to the trap of escapism as VR is very appealing in that way. Some of them are very keen on developing their 3D skills to make better avatars.

>>39421227
The latter, not even close. They aren't childish per se, but fucking damn.

>>39431447
NTA, but I tried out Comic Vket, while there were plenty of interesting dojins put out (some I'm sure probably would never even be printed and sold IRL just because they were very niche within a niche) VRChat just brought the anxiety of IRL interaction to my PC. I couldn't fully enjoy it because of that...
I like the idea on paper though, and I know there's other events that used different VR platforms that are less anxiety inducing (letting you join a room with no other users, idr if Vket offered it). I hope more continue to happen.

>>39432184
>letting you join a room with no other users, idr if Vket offered it
That's exactly how I saw it, or rather saw it through another anonymous guy. From what I can recall there was a Japanese server and a global one, but also the option for solo worlds where the NPCs and world interactions are there but not other people. He couldn't figure out how to mute the idiots so he rejoined as solo and it seemed like a really nice experience.
If it doesn't exist already, I hope they create a 'mute/hide by default' option because some people don't quite understand the escapism thing.

>>39427241
Ride the tiger.

>>39381949
Big section carved out for "r/transplace"
At least they were quarantined