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Ima have to pirate it after all.

Any translations on the original out there?

At least nothing of value was removed.

can they remove the character sprites? please?

>This title was released as a doujin game.
>doujin game
>Replacement of BGM in some scenes
>doujin BGM
Copyright for a doujin game bgm?
Am I missing something here?
Since when do they have to pay for copyright BGM music?

What.

I'm not sure what is this "Staff Room". Haven't seen it at the end of ep1.

>>3898810
>list of four things removed from game
>link gives explanation of one of the four

>>3898829
The staff room removal confuses me more than that - not that i give a fuck, just makes less sense.

>>3898829
The BGMs used in various version of Higurashi are not the 'property' of the game's development team.

>>3898836
We do not want our names to appear in a gaijin release or something.

if i recall correctly, all the BGM in the question arcs of higurashi are public domain.

so, whut

>>3898841
Apparently, they are not.

They just fucked themselves over.

well played, Manga Gamer.

tell us you're leaving it uncensored, then whip out all the shit.

>>3898847
Not really, no.
I don't care much about these changes.

What was the mini game?

>>3898845
I wonder what change?
Did those composers just decided not to share their music with pig disgusting gainjins but they allowed Ryukishi to use them for free?

>>3898847
Yeah, I'm so pissed they removed a MINI GAME AND STAFF ROOM, HOLY FUCKING SHITBALLS


AND OH GOD THE MUSIC ROOM? HOW DO I LISTEN TO MUSIC NOW? DO THEY EXPECT ME TO DOWNLOAD THE OST? LISTEN TO IT ON YOUTUBE? I CANT LISTEN UNLESS ITS IN THE FUCKING GAME FUCK IM GONNA STAB MYSELF IN THE CHODE

What are they replacing them with?

>>3898855
Does that sound implausible to you?
Or perhaps these artists sold the rights over the years.

Yes, but will any of the characters get an upgrade? Like, a chain-saw for an arm, or something awesome like that?

>>3898863
They all get boxing gloves made of human flesh!

>>3898859
Bad Apple feat. nomico

...so is there just going to be no music, or what?

I couldn't imagine Umineko with even one track missing...

>To have you look at it from another angle, there might be some people who realized that there are BGM differences in the demo version of Higurashi and the commercial version, even in the original doujin edition. And of course the console versions and anime all have different tracks. And as far as I know, the famous songs which makes Higurashi what it is, such as “Thanks”, “You”, and “Confession” don’t appear until the latter chapters, and they aren’t affected.

Nothing important was lost, then!

>>3898873
As long as You is there, then I don't care if they removed every other track.

>>3898829

Ryukushi07 used random music off of the internet for the beginning chapters of Higurashi. They probably just replaced the earlier music with the music in the later chapters.

Anyways it looks like all the stuff related to those copyrighted songs are removed. Not a big deal at all, but Evospace could have worded it better.

>>3898875

But You isn't until Kai which we probably wont get for another 6 months or so.

I would be more comfortable if they provided a reason for this.

Especially the Staff Room.

>>3898885

Yeah, I understand the music but staff room/mini game? Whats wrong with that??

Same shit happens to Anime that is sold in to foreign markets. Too many people with copyrights and fingers in the pie complicates things and fucks things up.

>- Removal of the Music Room
>- Removal of the Mini Game
>- Removal of the Staff Room

I'm betting their engine is to blame for these.

>>3898883
Well You is one of my favorite pieces of music in general, so I'll just be happy if it's there whenever 'there' gets here.

as far as the BGMs go, couldn't we just replace them back with the originals ourselves.

>>3898880
Those music are supposed to be doujin or free.
I mean Ryukishi was a poor bastard when he made the first higurashi and it wasn't until later that he got dai to compose music for him.
Correct me if I am wrong but aren't those random music that he put in his first few games free or is it only free in glorious nippon and once it got outside of Japan you have to pay for it?
I find this ridiculous to be honest.

>>3898901
Possibly, yes.

http://higurashi-cd.com/renapan/index.html

Man years later and I'm still awesome at this game.

>>3898893
It makes sense for the Mini-game and maybe the music, but why the Staff Room?

>>3898904
Finding non-hidden stuff on the Web?

>>3898902
>Correct me if I am wrong but aren't those random music that he put in his first few games free or is it only free in glorious nippon and once it got outside of Japan you have to pay for it?
It could very well be "free to be used in Japan, dirty gaijin don't touch!"
Seriously, there is stuff like that.

>>3898902

In order to use the doujin tracks that he jacked, Mangagamer would need to hunt down their original authors and request permission. doujin != public domain.

Judging from the fact that they said "Some", I'm willing to bet they at least made an effort and just couldn't contact some.

>>3898913
Why didn't they say that in the post? I'm sure most people would be more understanding if they just came out and said WHY they were doing all of these. Or maybe if they had mentioned them sometime before one day to release.

>>3898913
I doubt Ryukishi actually asked their permission.
Oh well nothing of value was lost. I would have rage if they took out dai's music.

The music is easy, just download the original BGM and change it, that easy

>>3898934
If they took out his music, I would dai

>>3898921

Well, it's best to be vague because you're hiding something. I'd assume there's a couple tracks on there that they just deemed to be too unlikely to obtain that they just didn't bother at all and don't want to say that.

I personally don't give a shit about any of those.

>>3898934

He doesn't need to ask permission. Higurashi was doujin work too.

Also, he's not bound by western copyright law, which is a bit different.

Not that they could do much about it.
At least nothing of value was lost, still will be buying it.

>>3898943
But what about the Staff Room?

That's the only thing that is really bugging me at this point. What's wrong with the Staff Room?

>>3898857
Firstly, there is no OST... Secondly, people have a right to the full original game with no content removed, especially at this price. I don't want to miss out on things that are meant to be in there.

>>3898953
Too many filthy japs.

>>3898953
Probably something with engine.

>>3898957
When I say "OST" I mean the music thats used in it - not a literal for-sale compact disk containing the music tracks, fuckface.

WHICH STILL IS JUST AS EASY TO FIND AND DOESNT CHANGE MY POINT HOLY FUCKBALLS I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO THE MUSIC IN A GAME WITHIN THE GAME OR ELSE I CANT LISTEN TO IT HOLY SHIT

Music rooms in games are FUCKING STUPID AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN.

>>3898969
Seconding the music room thing.

I'm not sure I can approve of /jp/ wanting to use Higurashi as a media player.

>>3898969
>>3898857

Your point would be worth listening to if you didn't come across as a raging idiot. Especially when you're the only one in this thread typing like that.

What the fuck is your problem? I'm not complaining about the music room, I'm complaining about the removed content and music.

For the record, I haven't seen Higurashi's question arc music anywhere, but what do I know.

>>3898969
Doesn't mangagamer encrypt their engine files though?

So you can't really extract the soundtrack...

heres an idea use the japanese version

>>3898953

That's a question I can't answer, I'm afraid.

They've got an IRC channel. Why don't you try asking them?

>>3898989
EvoSpace hasn't been in channel for ages, no sense going there.

>>3898976
You must be new here, then again it is winter break for those of you who don't belong in /jp/ so maybe you really ARE new here, if it wasn't clear I was doing that to dumb my point down to something a moron like you would understand.

>>3898978
The music is easy to find NOW even, you don't need to rip it from the mangagamer version.

>>3898859
Suspicion

Wahhh, a bunch of doujin music probably from TAM and SENTIVE that we've heard fifty billion times in every doujin VN known to man are being replaced in the English release, what ever shall we do?

Is it possible that when their translation releases, someone can extract it and just make it into a patch for the japanese version?

>>3899024
The tracks just might be better, you know.

>>3899018
if you read the fucking thread you'd know nobody cares about the music being replaced, it's the lost features we care about

get the fuck off of /jp/

Fuck it then, I´ll wait for the twins

>>3899025
i don't really mind the tracks being changed, but i'd like to have the staff room (and mini game too if possible)

>>3899028
>implying CurryButt and the other anon have reading comprehension to understand what you're saying

>>3899028
Except half the posts wonder why the tracks did not make it.

>- Replacement of BGM in some scenes
>- Removal of the Music Room
Sure, I'm fine with this.
>- Removal of the Mini Game
>- Removal of the Staff Room
Why the fuck?

>>3899028
Most of the posts are

1. why did they change music?
2. why was ___ removed?

So my posts are relevant. U just mad.

>>3899050
>implying you weren't in your own posts

And don't give me that "hurrr I brought myself down to your level moron", oldest excuse in the book to disguise how pissed you are.

>>3899055
I've never thought highly of Higurashi, and I havn't cared about the game being licensed since the news came out about it.

Sorry to make you feel like a moron, but I couldn't give a fuck less. It's not like it's Umineko.

And the moron thing was only about the 'rage' posts, the rest was simply because I'm bored and well, doing what I do all the time on /jp/ so I'm not sure why you're acting surprised.

I don't care aboututhe game or the anime.

If they're too lazy to port the mini-game they better not pull that shit with the TIPS in Kai

>>3899583
Are the TIPS in Kai different from ones in question arcs?

>>3899586
Just going by http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=36807


"
Matsuribayashi-hen does not have TIPS (except for one at the very end). Instead, you have fifty pieces of puzzles that reveals huge information. One must put these pieces together before moving on to the actual story of Matsuribayashi-hen.

In the game, one must figure out which piece will unlock the other piece so that they can be put together."

It sounds like there's a huge puzzle in the last episode

NO BGM
NO TIPS
NO MINIGAME
NO STAFF ROOM
NO MUSIC ROOM
FINAL DESTINATION

Sorry mangagamers no money for you.

If I had already preordered it I would rage SO hard.

Okay, I understand the rage about other stuff, but do you people really care about music room?

This is a fake yes?

>>3899794
Nobody complained seriously about that, it's the most insignificant removal there.

No Tips? lol

>>3899794
....
Just go wank to your lolifree shit you shit cunt.

>>3899812
Nobody said there wouldn't be TIPS.

>>3899813
Excuse me?!

And then they will say low sales are all the pirates fault...

What minigame?

someone will prob make a patch for vanilla higurashi, so yeah.

>>3899824
The one where you dodge Rena's punches.

Quit whining you faggots, you all were just going to pirate it anyway.

Anyone who was planning on buying it and does not due to something minor like this is retarded.

>>3899842
something minor...

>>3899842
>DERP

And anyone who feels that way is retarded. Enjoying taking up the ass so far, faggot?

holy shit how could they destroy the storyline by not allowing the player to dodge punches and read staff comments fuck this shit im not buying this butchered game i am a huge faggot

>>3899880
Nobody alluded he would not buy it now while he planned to for the greater part of teh thread.

>>3899868
First of all, not that guy. Now:

>Replacement of BGM in some scenes
I highly doubt this game had that many spectacular BGMs anyways

>Removal of the Music Room
I doubt anyone ever needs something like this, even if it's a ridiculous removal.

>Removal of the Mini Game
Probably laziness but, big deal?

>Removal of the Staff Room
Again...big deal.

Considering it's 4 episodes in english I think I can live with something minor like this rather than being totally spoiled. It's not the end of the world. It's enough that we're going to actually get this in english tomorrow.

>>3899833
How can you dodge them if they are so big?!?

>>3898863

When Captain Supermarket Cries

>>3899893
>Replacement of BGM in some scenes
Free music, you've heard it all before.

>Removal of the Music Room
Ditto.

>Removal of the Mini Game
Wasn't in the original game anyway.

>Removal of the Staff Room
Wasn't in the original game anyway.

Tempest in a teapot, honestly. Figured people were more mature about this sort of thing. Who cares? Just because it's in the french version.

>>3899905
>wasn't in the game

Lol wut

To the guys who say it's no big deal: Would you mind if they removed the voices in a voiced game? It surely wouldn't affect the plot and you could enjoy the game anyway, so according to your reasoning we shouldn't complain about that either.

I know it's an extreme case but I just wanted to say that the removal itself is worse than what's been dropped of the game. I will buy it because I was so looking for it, but I'm not happy with their decision.

>>3899905
The music room not included is just called laziness

>>3899928
That's the thing, it's not that extreme. Furthermore I highly doubt they'd just drop BGM with no good reason. It probably was unavoidable, and I can forgive them for something like that even if it was their fault for some weird reason. Besides, we'd just put the music back in with a patch anyways. I don't really give a damn about mangagamer so bitching about what they did isn't going to do me any good.

Everything can't go our way, right? If it's something small like this, it's fine.

>>3899928
Obviously I wouldn't be fine with this if they removed voices or something, but thankfully this isn't the case, and according to all common sense this will not happen.

Why? The music in the first four Higurashi parts is entirely PD, isn't it?

>>3899950
It's not like I don't get your point, but I slightly disagree for two reasons; first, I'm tempted to believe some of those removals are caused by their laziness, unless they provide us with more information. A professional company shouldn't remove some features because it's annoying to implement them in their engine.
Also, I get the feeling that if we don't show our discontent about things like this they'll do as they please. I congratulated them for the Soul Link decision because it means they really do care about their market, so they'll be sure not to do this again with other game if they see we are not pleased with this decision.

As I said I'll buy it anyway so it's not like they made me change my mind, but I'm a bit disappointed.

Hey anons. Don't you think that maybe this is because Mangagamer is porting the game to their DRM-fucked engine and they're giving copyright as an excuse?

>>3900017
>>3899989 here
Oh right, could it be, that some BGM is not actually PD, but CC-sa or GPL?
Then it would impose a problem, that the music is not distributed alike due to DRM.

I don't care. I'm going to buy it IRregardless.

regardless of how unnecessary the features are, dropping them just so they can port it in their own DRM clogged engine is extremely unprofessional. Also, if they are that lazy about the technology, what am I supposed to think about the music issue? Maybe they were too cheap and/or lazy to get the liscences.

I have a lot of trepidation about paying real money for a product that is clearly inferior to what an amateur fan group would come out with.

I'm not going to grovel like a peasant before mangagamer just because they're the only ones with Higurashi--there's no excuse for this bullshit.

The Minigame is where the "Soul Brothers" are Born... that's Blasphemy!

>Replacement of BGM in some scenes
>“Thanks”, “You”, and “Confession” aren’t affected.
Would be pretty cool if they replaced the doujin BGM in question with dai's BGM.

>>3900176
I wonder if the zombie-tag music is affected. That one was pretty damn epic.

Did the french release has all these problems?

Yenpress, mangagamer, ...

Who is next to betray our expectations?

>>3900297
No, that's why people are confused.

>>3900387
The Haruhi movie will suck.

Suddenly, after 5 in the morning, the whiners popped up.

I really don't see any problem at all.

Meanwhile, at 07thExpansion

>- Replacement of BGM in some scenes
I'll be happy as long as they're being replaced with Yakety Sax.

Higurashi no Naku Koro ni (episodes 1-4) Japanese soundtrack:
http://www.mediafire.com/?1zxzntzugzh

The issues are most likely caused by MangaGamer's porting to the BGI engine, which is required for their DRM. They need the DRM because some of the original developers want DRM on their localized games.
>- Replacement of BGM in some scenes
>07th Expansion nor MangaGamer.com have full rights to them, in this situation which counts as a “port”.
It sounds like the copyright issue is only because it's a port. I think that the French version was able to use the original music just fine, as it's just a localization of the original Higurashi, which already had permission to use the music. MangaGamer's Higurashi port, on the other hand, is a separate product, and they probably need to re-request permission to use the BGMs (for all other things, they just need 07th Expansion's permission, but for the BGMs, they need the individual artists' permissions).
>- Removal of the Music Room
Probably laziness because they don't want to update it after the replacement of BGM.
>- Removal of the Mini Game
Probably porting laziness. They'd have to re-code the minigame to get it to work with BGI.
>- Removal of the Staff Room
???

>>3898831
Seems it's a Kai-only omake feature with author's notes.

>>3898901
>>3899950
As far as I know, it's currently not possible to repack the archives BGI uses. We should be able to extract stuff, though. But we'll need a hacker to repack stuff.

>>3899790
You can't pre-order MangaGamer games. Wouldn't make sense anyways; why would you pre-order something if they have infinite copies in stock, and it can be downloaded instantly from the moment it's released?

>>3899825
If you feel like copypasting every single line into the original game, I can probably give you files containing the translated text if you want.

So I wonder if the music change will actually be an improvement? Somehow with both copies will have to do a comparison.

>>3899915
>Wasn't in the original game

>Your comment is awaiting moderation.

I sure love MG's nazi blog.

Someone better make a patch or... something to fix the BGM.

I could care less about the rest.

>>3901008
Your comment has loli nipples so they're deciding whether it can be shown or not.

>>3901019
>I could care less about the rest.
Why would you care about the rest?

>>3901008
My comment is awaiting moderation since about 12 hours ago.

>>3901030
Same. But they let VDZ's posts through, which is pretty wwww.

>>3901030
Japan is asleep. It's like 4:38 AM or something there.

>>3901184
EvoSpace is not japanese, he could have validated them earliear. Anyway, now all those comments appeared from nowhere.

>>3901256
EvoSpace lives in Japan.

>>3901256
Believe it or not, there are non-Japanese people that live in Japan.

>>3901330

Is it too late to campaign IN FAVOR of Higurashi being censored.

Other people should be spared R07's depiction of a naked Satako.

>>3901383

The idea of her gigantic boxing-glove hands engulfing your erect penis does not arouse you?

>>3901404
My fantasies do not usually involve my penis being crushed.

>>3901424

You some kind of faggot?

I've always loved using hams as masturbation tools.

Bump.