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>>38273414
Realistically "strongest" and "most powerful" are two different things

Yukari might not be the "strongest" youkai, but in Gensokyo she holds an enormous amount of leverage over other youkai

>>38273414
"I-I'm n-not that s-strong, anon... stop!"

>>38274149

Yukari beat the three fairies, and Cirno did also. But Cirno can respawn, so I think she's stronger. Sorry to end your thread so early.

>>38273414
Nope, Hecatia is stronger acording to ZUN, no debate allowed.

>>38275655
OK let's say theoretically Hecatia goes up against Saitama from One Punch Man. Who would win in a fight? Is this a case of an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object?

>>38273414
Hecatia is the strongest, Zun said as much.

As for who is the strongest in the Touhou universe as a whole. Probably a god with a few billion followers. Like, Allah could backslap every single established Touhou character with ease.

>>38275696
Saitama runs on gag character rules. Hecatia could beat him only if he send in somebody like Cirno who would naturally start engaging in slapstick antics.

>>38275696
>Is this a case of an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object?
No because contrary to Saitama, Hecatia is neither an unstoppable force or an immovable object. She's not invincible, just stronger.

>>38275696
>Is this a case of an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object?
No because contrary to Saitama, Hecatia is neither an unstoppable force or an immovable object. She's not invincible, just strong as fuck.

Nice try yukarifag.

>>38273414
I am the strongest

>>38273414
Yukari is weaker than Toyohime, she outright says this to her in SSiB, and Hecatia is described as stronger than anyone in the series.

The whole "yukari is basically omnipotent" thing has been debunked to hell and back. Just recently she was possessed and manipulated by a vengeful spirit in Cheating Detective Satori.

Is Sakuya ever seen attacking within stopped time or is it always throwing knives and repositioning? I remember in SSiB she time stopped to the back of Yorihime and could have just stabbed her but just started talking instead then lost but i haven't read any other manga with her in it.

>>38285083
>Is Sakuya ever seen attacking within stopped time
I don't think so, no. It's always throwing knives or repositioning, which is kind of weird. Why isn't she using her ability to it's fullest extent?

>>38284943
Toyohime is just carried by Lunar technology. I agree that Yukari isn't omnipotent, but you can probably give a fairy the strongest weapons from the moon and it'll beat almost everyone in Gensokyo

>>38285173
>but you can probably give a fairy the strongest weapons from the moon and it'll beat almost everyone in Gensokyo

>>38285098
to give them a chance maybe

>>38285299
She doesnt do that during impossible Spell card though, and back on SSiB all she did was hold Yorihime's shoulders. I swear Sakuya and Reimu's powers are way too busted that they got nerfed heavily everytime they fight in mangas.

>>38285083
>>38285083
Attaching while in Time Stope would always be an Auto win for her. If her opponent is too strong, her attacks won't do any damage, just like in her fight with Tenshi, where her Knifes couldn't do shit to her.

>>38285173
> Toyohime is just carried by Lunar technology.
So? Yukari is carried by her Ability, Tenshi is carried by her status as a Celestial etc. etc.

You can't dismiss Equipment like that, it's part of their arsenal and abilities.

>>38273414
>Who is the strongest in your opinion?
Of those characters we've see and know? Hecatia.
In Universe? Probably the Abrahamic God (at least 3.8 billion followers)

>Can we all agree it's Yukari and go home?
No Okina and Kasen are her equals or at least on her level, Yuyuko and Flan could
easily kill her and the Himes and Hecatia are canonically stronger then her.

>>38273414
if shes so strong then why is she so old ?Hahahahahaha

>>38273414
>Can we all agree it's Yukari and go home?
Rumao

>>38285581
I assume that her time stop, like Dio, is time limited. Otherwise she would be basically unbeatable.

>>38284943
Not fully omnipotent, of course not, probably not even close to that, but her power opens up a ridiculous amount of possibilities, that's for sure. Also, let's remember that omnipotent is not the same as omniscient, of course she can be manipulated.

>Yukari is weaker than Toyohime
No
>Hecatia is described as stronger than anyone in the series
Yup

>>38289433
>Okina and Kasen are her equals
Same role doesn't mean same power

>>38294541
>No
What the fuck do you mean no
See >>38289686

>>38289433
>Yuyuko
Explain. I don't remember Yuyuko having anything too OP, but I forget pieces of lore all the time.

>>38295497
Yuyuko's ability is apparently to "manipulate death" and "invite others to death".

>>38294856

>What the fuck do you mean no
See >>38285173

>See >>38289686
Yeah, Yukari never said anything half true or completely false to avoid or turn a situation to the direction she wanted, absolutely. She is also not very good at the art of irony. Very cute lady with only good intentions.

>>38285624
>So?
Not the same anon, but what the guy was trying to say is basically that if you put x and y to fight without external help, just things they have naturally, only the strongest will prevail. In that case, the weapons were powerful, not the girl >using< the powerful weapon. Toyo is VERY strong, but not stronger than Yukari.

>>38275703
Amem my Abrahamic brother.

>>38296141
Toyohime's power is to maintain Lunar capital's barrier and 'going anywhere she likes'(see wiki for better explanation), which means to an extent she can manipulate borders too. Your average Lunarians are way more powerful than youkais, like how Kaguya can manipulate eternity and Sagume can affect destiny with her words alone, so its safe to say Toyohime can manipulate boundaries to an even further extend than Yukari, or if she is lazy should at least be more powerful than Reimu.

>>38297104
>Toyohime's power is to maintain Lunar capital's barrier and 'going anywhere she likes'(see wiki for better explanation), which means to an extent she can manipulate borders too
>so its safe to say Toyohime can manipulate boundaries to an even further extend than Yukari
Anon these are some pretty big assumptions

>>38297290
That was one of the biggest headcanons said in this thread

>>38275703
Yeah it's probably the Abrahamic God, if we go by what we know of Gods, Religion and Power.

>>38294563
Okina should not be underestimated though. Even ignoring the fact that she's a god and could probably use her faith to blow away Yukari if she seriously wanted to. She's just as intelligent, manipulative, and has can basically use her servants to create her own custom Japanese Hercules if she tried.

Kasen meanwhile at the height of her power was second in command to Shuten-Doujin, one of the greatest Youkai terrors of Japan (Granted, Suika isn't too impressive, but she got her head cut off and probably lost a lot of her power as well). While she I doubt she could take on Yukari nowadays, even with her hermit abilities, she should still not be underestimated.

>>38273414
Zun is the strongest.

>>38299782
>Okina should not be underestimated
Praying to Okina!

>>38273414
I wish Gantz existed so then I could subjugate many touhus and fuck them. Yukari would be a 100 point boss but I wouldn't go for her, I'm not stupid, so I would settle for mid bosses like Ran, Patche or Seiran

I see people often state Eirin being stronger than anyone (other than Hecatia and sometimes Junko) as if it's undisputed fact but I don't see her beating Yorihime, Yukari or Toyohime. I get that the ability to synthesize any drug is very strong and she is basically the smartest in Gensokyo but I'm still lost on how she can overcome the strongest.

The cock obviously. Can't beat the cock.

>>38323948
It's about overall potential.
If given time, Eirin might be unstoppable or at least very difficult to defeat.

>>38297104
what are you saying

>>38324906
so if she had prep time she can beat anyone by synthesizing a drug that just instawins for her

>>38323948
>>38337800
>>38324906
Eirin is Batman confirmed.

>>38338175
Yeah I was thinking that too, but it's crazy how most people back then said Eirin is the strongest and now days second strongest but it's through prep time.

>>38324831

Lower-case god powers belong in their own category. On one hand, with enough faith a god can do whatever the fuck they want. Hell in theory if Sanae was able to get two or three billion people to worship her, she'd instantly become strongest.

On the other hand, it's not really your power if you need other people to give it to you, is it?

Also put all clergy in that category too since all they're doing is borrowing a credit card.

So, if we're counting PC-98 era, Sariel is the strongest since there's a strong argument she's probably Satan.

Windows era: The god we've seen with the highest faith in it would be Hecatia.

Excluding god powers, Hecatia still shows for being a magician and titan. Watatsuki sisters also have a strong showing for their abilities.

But I think in terms of pure ability, Yukari probably has the best.

>>38275703
>>38289433
>>38296165
>>38299687
Please leave your Christfag headcanons at the doorstep before entering this thread.

>>38273414
>Can we all agree it's Yukari and go home?
She got jobbed by the Vengeful Spirit in the latest manga.

>>38273414
Yukari is a jobber, she ran away from Miko, get her ass handed to her by the moonies twice, got called a coward by Kasen and in the Satori Manga she jobber to a Vengeful Spirit.

I know it's hard Yukarifags but you have to accept that you're hag isn't the omnipotent, all mighty youkai you deluded yourself into believing she is. In the past you can always pull the "muh boundary manipulation" or "boundary between x and y gg" card but now she has been shown to be quit weake and have limits. It's over.

>>38323948
When youre a Lunarian you're stronger than any Gensokyoains by default. Plus Eirin is one of the founding fathers of Lunar capital, so basically like a sage to Lunarians. Thats how powerful she is. Also age is often associated with power and experience, and she is far older than Yukari.

>>38347358
>she ran away from Miko
what

>>38275703
Not sure the extent of their power but hear me out. Powers of the God-like beings are based on their faith. Keine has the power to manipulate the past or history itself. So lets say Keine manipulate the founder of certain religion, remove it in the history and thus no more faith or followers of that God.. That means "No Faith = No God".

Does that even work?

>>38368538
Her ability doesn't seem to extend to altering the present. So the god and their acquired faith, along would any real estate (temples, shrines, etc.) would still be there. They would be missing their worshippers and "income" of faith. It would generally be perceived as this strange god with attached shrine suddenly appearing in out of nowhere. It could kill the god long term if they didn't take immediate action, but said god probably would.

Also the more successful gods tend to have more than one thing going for them. Hecatia is still a magician and a titan.

Come to think of it, Keine's ability might explain how Okina and the Hakurei god seem to violate the rules.

>>38368538
If her power couldn't affect even Yukari, I doubt it works against Gods, especially top tier ones like Kanako and Okina

>>38368886
>Kanako
>top-tier
She has a few thousand followers max. Top-tier would be the big shots of big-name religions, like Amaterasu

>>38369002
We are talking Touhou standards here, where the Gods there are either forgotten ones or ones like Kanako and Suwako who fled to Gensokyo to establish new followers. Humans in Gensokyo seems to not give a shit about Gods anw and only came for them when troubles arrive or the evangelists stage some bullshit to attract followers

Wargreymon can literally defeat every 2hu

>>38368875
>Her ability doesn't seem to extend to altering the present
But how can you manipulate past without altering the present?

>>38370334
Let's just start naming character's and settings that could easily wipe the floor (or just straight up erase) the entirety of touhou.

Void Ghidorah

>>38378383
>Characters
Every single SMT protagonist would genocide Gensokyo in a day. Also Kirby.

>Settings
Warhammer, obviously.

Being able to manipulate the boundaries of anything is effective to being able to create or destroy anything on a physical, emotional, mental and conceptual level. If Yukari has no limitations or is not using Spell Card restrictions she fundamentally could defeat almost any character from any franchise unless they literally are described as a Mary Sue (I.e immune to everything ever) which would make me wonder why even compare if it's essentially a one sided god mod.. This is me saying this even when my favorite characters are the SDM crew.

2hu's in general have some wacky abilities that make them pretty high tier in most cases if doing cross dimensional/crossover encounters. It doesn't make them infallible and the only time they're going to have difficulty if they abide by the restrictions Spell Card games entail. Coincidently getting Warhammer or other types of characters to abide by spell card rules by some (we assume metaphysical contract) means they might be nerfed in some capacity. But power itself doesn't make or break fights, if it's an rp thing there's a give and take as well as skill involved in writing. If you are crafting a work of fanfiction or fangame the subjective quality of your narrative will go loved and hated depending on who's reading it.

>>38383541
I generally assume there are a lot more limitations on their abilities then they would like to admit. For instance: Manipulation of boundaries sounds undefeatable... unless she has to actually touch somebody for the effect to happen.

Reminder that her despite her only displayed ability being "can have 3 bodies at once" Hecatia is still somehow the strongest character in Touhou. Abilities don't mean SHIT.

>>38378383
>Characters

Kratos, you must be saying "why?" And i shall awnser "Because yes."

Ashen one (he would just come back again and again until he eventually succeed).

Dio The World Over Heaven (everyone probably know what he do. after all, this is /jp)

Lucifer Samael Morningstar (DC Comics) too much powers to explain here.

>Settings

I honestly can't think of anything...

>>38384366
>Ashen one
Yukari could just teleport him out of Gensokyo and he would have no feasible way to return
Same with Kratos

>>38384739
>Teleport Kratos
He always come back.

>Teleport the ashen one
He will Also come back. (eventually)

>>38378383
DC Comic's Lucifer Morningstar

This guy is BS on so many levels it isn't even funny.

>>38385154
Yeah that guy is a fucking God with capital G.

>>38378383
[Insert DC/Marvel Comic Character here]

Seriously and I thought Anime Characters were bullshit.