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fine, this is what everyone's been asking for

Post canonical ships.
Keiichi is a gay twink and would rather be railed by big burly men alongside his friends than to fuck them himself.

What's the genre of music for stuff in higurashi and umineko? Is this just considered electronic? Hard for me to find stuff like it
https://youtu.be/TRF5vvM3MZU

>>37829713
It's genre is zts and kino.

>>37829670
I'll start

>>37829766
How is that canon?
Nothing in the VN implies a secret relationship between Battler and Rosa, instead she bullies him out of her group in chapter 2.

When the fuck is phase 2 coming out

>>37829713
That was just maria being a little shit

>>37829670

>>37830056
Oh whoops wrong quote >>37829810

>>37829670
It's a shame that my soul brother and self insert Keiichi will never know the godly pleasures of being inside a girl.
He's far too interested in experiencing the delight of being cummed inside and wearing silky smooth, cute clothing instead.
Personally, I blame the club girls for setting him onto this ungodly path by edging on his young teenage mind day after day without ever making a move on him themselves.
It was only a matter of time until being around perverted, dominant girls would warp his mind.

>>37829670

>>37829670
the only kanonical ship i'm for.
they're so adorable together

>>37829670
If the Umineko collab's anything to go by, he's a true pervert with a fetish for enjoying breasts as they grow from small to large as the girl ages rather than simply enjoying the finished product.

When is that mystery thing again?

>>37831171
December 26

>>37829713
That's instrumental rock music. Most of Umineko's OST is too diverse to be categorised under a single genre, but a lot of it is electronic, yes.

>>37831184
Thanks

>>37829713
To be fair, the track you've posted is an odd one out for higurashi. It's not really representative of the OSTs genre.

>>37829810
Cute and canon.

>>37831971
Wow Kimiyoshi got to fuck THIS?!

>>37831977

>>37831986
What? Satoko loves Kimiyoshi, she wouldn't be scared by this.

>>37832037
prove it

>>37832043
They're married with a child.
She wouldn't do that if she didn't love Kimiyoshi.
At the very least, she wouldn't have had sex with him.

>>37832069

>>37832069
You never know what she might have learned from Shion

>>37831977
Go back.

>>37832069
zero evidence of that child being his

How did Satoko and Kimiyoshi even meet? I suppose they'd both be Hinamizawans, but they didn't go to school together, and from the looks of it Kimiyoshi seems to be considerably older than her.
Maybe he was a regular customer in her Smile shop who gradually fell in love with her looks and behavior, and Satoko couldn't resist the temptation of being desired by a handsome, successful man?
Or perhaps Rika played lovebird and hooked them up as a fellow member of the three great families after Satoko complained to her about wanting a boyfriend one too many times. Both Mion and Shion could have known him as well and teased him and Satoko all the time until they ended up marrying eventually.
It's quite cute to think about. I wonder how Sakiko feels about her dad though, he has to be pretty busy with work.

>>37832123
Zero evidence of that child not being his.

>>37832163
Zero evidence of Satoko marrying Keiichi.

>>37832151
I wonder if she had the shop before or after meeting him, he's a big businessman after all.
Also Satoko is supposed to be mid/late 40s, doubt the guy is much more than that, probably 50s

>>37832163
sakiko used to be a houjou

Zero evidence of anons getting laid, ever

>>37832180
10 year difference is still a lot, he'd probably be out of college already by the time Higurashi takes place.
I wouldn't know how one meets women though, so no clue how they might have bonded despite that age gap.

Zero evidence of magic

Zero evidence of Miyao's penis

>>37832179
This.

>>37832151
I'm curious to see what kind of guy he is, maybe even a little bit of their love story if we're lucky. Here's hoping we do and he doesn't end up being just a design made to allow Sakiko to exist.

>>37832258
If he just ends up as a design that'd be so useless, we already had Satoshi for that.

>>37832397
We already had Higurashi, we didn't need more of it, yet here we are.

>>37832397
When does Satoko's husband get coma'd as part of tradition?

>>37832258
I hope for a DV plotline (Satoko abusing Kimiyoshi).

BIG Satoko abusing Hinamizawa

>>37832516
this is the sex

The biggest

Why was Ange so dissapointing?

>>37832591
Because she has only one shtick

Does Umineko's plot really boil down to a schizo with multiple personalities and lovers who unable to decide between them decides to kill everyone instead?

>>37832591
She was hyped to be very smart and compelling, as the true protagonist, but turned out to be nothing of that sort.
Her own cast was shallow as fuck too, the only reason why she's popular is because of women who relate to poor characters and coomers.

Everyone using "-oomer" words needs to go back to whatever hellhole they came from.

>>37832591
If we're to believe that one guy who always mentions it when people talk about Ange, it's because she has no friends.

>>37832690
>Her own cast was shallow as fuck too
What? Amakusa is great. You just dislike him because he's not muh selfless action hero protag like Battler or Willard you're so used to seeing.

For the life of me I can't figure out why r07 decided to fucking ruin ange like that.

>>37832732
The most interesting part of him is fake (trick ending)

Another retard that thinks the trick ending isn't real....

My problems with ange is that they spent so much time with her coping instead of trying to find the answers. I was hoping she would do more detective work like running around and collecting witness testimonies or some shit.

>>37832591
She's my second favourite character in Umineko so I wouldn't say she was.

>>37832732
We barely see the cast that's the point.

>>37832756
Why is she your favourite

>>37832755
You see, Umineko is actually a subversing deconstruction of mystery stories.

>>37832743
>armed bodyguard/hitman in modern japan
>morally gray mercenary
>potential love interest for Ange
>theorised to be Battler originally
>retconned to be part of the mountain dogs
Remind me, what's not interesting about Amakusa?

>>37832767
>deconstruction
the excuse every retards use to drum up their shitty writings.

>>37832766
One of the best drawn psychological portraits in the VN.

>>37832710
Well that's not a bad point, there is few VN/mangas about true loner because they're boring.
And tulpas aren't convincing enough to make up for it.

>>37832778
>potential love interest for Ange
Imagine being this retarded

>>37832778
They didn't bother developing any of ange's cast.

>>37832785
Excuse about what?

>>37832755
Fucking this, actually show that she's smart, make her solve some cases unrelated or barely related to Rokkenjima, to give more development to her character

>>37832800
>umineko
>character development
I guess Ange learned how to cope.

>>37832826
The characters in Umineko are fantastic.

>>37832794
Nah her character is cynical as fuck. After all the colorful magic it's simply ange giving up trying to find the truth because there was nothing else for her to discover and decided to move on.

>>37832778
*Yawn

>>37832831
They aren't, unless you are a homo teen, but I was talking about how they never developed.

>>>/qst/5084147

NO ONE
NOT A FUCKING 1 WANT TO SOLVE MY MYSTERY

I AM SO SAD
AMSHEMAD OF YOU ALL
AGAIN THIS PLACE HAS NO LOVE

>>37832820
Yeah. When I read ep 4 i had thought we would see ange solving some cases on her own, no matter how mundane it is, to show her intelligence. Turns out i was duped into 10 hours of pitifess from a fucking dead girl's diary.

>>37832834
Being cynical is not mutually exclusive with being a psychologically real character.
>>37832845
Because the structure of Umineko precludes linear 'development' to a great extent. It realises the psychological possibilities of its characters in a nonlinear fashion.

>>37832834
See, you didn't get it, because you had no love, Umineko was always about Ange learning to move on. Especially the first three chapters, it's really obvious there.

>>37832859
How do you think it does what you say it does?

>>37832859
It's real. And it's not interesting. Who gives a fuck about being real if it doesn't engage the readers? No one gives a fuck about an eternally depressed person above the obligatory "I'm so sorry about your conditions...".

>>37832872
I wrote it out in an old thread >>36781531
>>37832884
It engaged me.

>>37832797
Amakusa totally is a potential love interest for Ange
They have plenty of chemistry in episode 4, and his call with Okonogi in the episode 7 ??? implied he had doubts about whether or not he should assassinate Ange. Amakusa even suggested she should abandon her fortune and be free on his own.
When Kasumi's men bullied Ange he shot them all dead before they could do anything more to her, even though it'd be easier for him if they took care of Ange themselves as was planned.
And the Twilight manga revealed a man who looks exactly like Amakusa to still be working for Ange in her life as an author, so they never parted ways.

>psychological possibilities
Oh god, the pseud is here. "Psychological possibilities" ? Did you want to say "psychological varieties" or something?

>>37832854
Thanks Hack07 I guess

>>37832859
>>37832884
>>37832854
>>37832845
>>37832834
IKUKO IS YASU
ALL UMINEKO IS THE MAGIC VERSION OF HER TRYING TO MAKE BATTLER REMEMBER

STOP INSULT UMINEKO IF YOU CAN0T UNDERSTAND IT

>>37832893
He was probably planted by oKoNoGi to keep an eye on ange and to inform him whether ange had some secret wealth only the ushiromiyas know.
They never mentioned her having children though.

>>37832893
Amakusa was Okonogi wageslave and was going to killAnge without thinking 1 second.

There is no love just a scum who want his money

>>37832891
You are taking basic character flavouring and overanalysing it as some sort of "psychological possibility". That Rosa bit was extremely funny to read.

>>37832893
Working for her doesn't mean love, they've like 20 years apart it won't work, the same manga also implied that she had no "current" relationship.

The thing with umineko is that nobody would ever reread a 100+ hours visual novel just to understand unlovable characters, therefore they will keep misunderstanding those same characters.

>>37832904
I'm sorry that the combination of middle school vocabulary words is too much for you, but writing psychological possibilities is both faster and more precise than writing e.g. 'the ways in which the characters can be developed' as the latter can refer to means of characterisation that don't concern their psychological life.
>>37832928
Psychological realism is a real descriptive term. 'Character flavouring' is a phrase you made up because you don't want to engage with a text.

>>37832953
Ange is a shit character, nothing you say will change that.

>>37832953
EVERYONE READ 200 HOURS OF VN MORE TIMES

JUST MANGA SCUM WHO ARE UNABLE TO DO IT AND MISUNDRSTAND EVERYONE

>>37832151
>Kimiyoshi seems to be considerably older than her.
he might actually be younger since they call him "young" which is not how i would describe a nearly 50 years-old oba-san like satoko. he looks like shit for his age if that's true though.
>>37832690
>She was hyped to be very smart and compelling, as the true protagonist, but turned out to be nothing of that sort.
the only people who thought ange's main role was supposed to be a super cool detective who uncovers all truths were the ones who insisted mystery was still the focus of umineko even when episode 4 made it clear her character was about dealing with trauma and the nature of magic. but i'm not surprised by this coming from the people who couldn't take the hint even after erika showed up and made a fool out of herself by treating the family's tragedy like a game for her to win.

>>37832958
Ah you are the "Psychological realism" guy. Sorry but this mode of writing is literally bread an butter of visual novels, and umineko is certainly not the one which does it best.

>>37832916
>They never mentioned her having children though.
Ange lost her family early, was bullied by her aunt, her classmates and witches in the magic world constantly, is killed off in most worlds and turned out to have cancer. Wouldn't surprise me if she was infertile as well lol.
Besides, why would Okonogi give a fuck about some secret wealth? he just wanted the official fortune to keep his company alive.
>>37832935
>they've like 20 years apart
They do? She is 18 in episode 4 and Amakusa never struck me as being in his forties. He's the cool, young kind of mercenary who listens to M.Zakky while riding his car.

>>37832982
HOLY FUCKING SHIT

OKONOGI TAKE OVER USHIROMOYA BUISSNESS

THE ENTIRE FUCKING BUISSNESS
ANGE COULD STEAL FROM HIM EVERYTHING

HIS ENTIRE POWER THANKS HER BIRTHRIGHT

READ TTHE FUCKING VN

>>37832981
Then refute my specific examples in that post in which I distinguish between characterisation that serves a specific dramatic role vs. providing a character miniature.

>>37832982
Half of those doesn't even really happen and i'm about 90% sure they would have no real psychological effect on ange. She probably has the brother complex that would render her partner's live hell though.

>>37832995
Shut the fuck up.

>>37832958
>>I'm sorry that the combination of middle school vocabulary words is too much for you
It's not a viable phrase, no need to start barking at me for calling you out. I understood what your infantile analysis tried to do.
Could've always written "potential character development", ya know.
No, I meant "character flavouring", as in R07 giving Rosa some flavour by adding what she likes and whatnot. You are just gushing about it like a retarded fangirl. It's common.
> is a phrase you made up
Didn't realise only you were allowed to do that.

>>37833016
FUCK OFF
READ THE VN OR SHUT UP

AMAKUSA'S JOB WAS MAKING ANGE LEFT ALL HER RIGHTS ON USHIROMIYA COMPANY TO OKONOGI AND KILLED HER IF SHE REFUSED

THERE IS NO LOVE STORY JUST A RETARD WHO WANTED TO AVOID A MURDER

>>37832982
>Amakusa never struck me as being in his forties
He literally call her a "child" "kid" at some point, you're wrong.

>>37832996
>character miniature.
What the hell is that?
Anyway what I said is that this type of writing is ubiquitous in visual novels and often times it helps with individual characterizations that occur non-linearly through multiple routes, that is, a character's actions would make more sense after some details are revealed in a different route. It's literally nothing new under the sun.

>>37832996
Your Rosa example is just basic characterisation, anon, every writer likes giving his characters some flavour.
>>37833040
So anon's wrong about Amakusa being in his forties because he called Ange a kid.
I want you to stop shitposting.

>>37832976
The ages are just a complete joke in Rei and I don't put much stock in them. The story treats the club members as if they're about a decade younger than they should be, all of them look like they're in their twenties or early thirties at most, and we have no idea how Rika even funds all her constant travelling, since it doesn't seem like she has a job at all.

>>37833013
>Half of those doesn't even really happen and i'm about 90% sure they would have no real psychological effect on ange
What? How the hell did Ange's bullying and getting cancer not really happen? Also it's quite obvious that the bullying and losing her family had tremendous effects on her mental health, she literally says she should die during the peak of her bullying and commits suicide at the end of episode 4.
>>37833040
That's just him being a playful jerk and teasing her immaturity.

>>37833044
>What the hell is that?
That anon likes making up phrases and if you call him out on his retardation he will just go all
>y-you didn't get it
Without responding to the actual criticism.
In sort, it's a retarded fangirl.

>>37833045
AMAKUSA KILLED HER IN TRICK ENDING AND NEVER MET HER AGAIN IN MAGIC ENDING

SHE WAS NOTHING THEN A JOB FOR HIM
THERE IS NOTHING JUST A SCUM

Yeah, *click*.

>>37833052
I'm glad everyone is designed like a 35 year old in Rei, even if they all should be ~50 I want to see the club at a normal parent age and not just old with back problems or something.

>>37833059
I mean the magic shenanigans, ok? I'm pretty sure being turned into burgers in your imagination doesn't affect you in the real world.

>>37833077
Avatar fagging

>>37832981
>>37832996
Also if this is 'bread and butter' for VNs then I expect those who think Umineko needs to be edited down to stop arguing that since it's clearly not a problem and it's normal for VNs to include arbitrary levels of detail.
>>37833028
It is a viable phrase. 'Potential character development' is far more awkward and stilted and also exclude the specifically mental character of the point. Character psychologies contain possibilities which are realised in the nonlinear structure of Umineko.
You and >>37833045 and >>37833044 also miss the entire point of the example which is that this psychological detail is arbitrary rather than dramatic. This is despite an entire contrasting example in Tsukihime in which the psychological life of character is used for a dramatic role.
>character miniature
A non-dramatic portrayal of state.

>>37833085
It might not have happened, but it's still part of her character and plays into Ange being a victim of constant bullying and suffering.

>>37832976
>trauma and the nature of magic
Since when was she needed for that?

>>37833108
ANGE'S LIFE WAS DESTROYED BY BATTLER'S FAMILY CULPRIT THEORY

she will always been the daugther of a monster for everyone.
She is not you self insert

READ THE FUCKING VN

>>37833059
>That's just him being a playful jerk and teasing her immaturity.
He also said it a few times in a serious tone (child soldier comment for example)

>>37833052
i think they are pushing the boundary but mostly believable for 40s. honestly, i've always felt like it's more common for anime to depict anyone above 30 like they're ancient which is not how it is in reality, so this is a nice inverse. there's a few panels where k1 looks too young but the only one who looks unbelievable is rika because natsumi won't give her eyebags as part of some witches never age thing which is a little silly to me.

>>37833107
>>It is a viable phrase
It isn't.
There is no point in your example besides you gushing.
Stop making up phrases if you want to be taken seriously.
Arbitary levels of detail are called padding, which is what Ryukishi does in all of his works.
You are fellating his padding. Lol.

>>37831171
Please dont draw this bitch cosplaying as my wife shinku

Shitokoniggers are for real?

>>37833133
You're illiterate.

Why shitokoniggers exist?

Fucking 1-bits goats are ruining Umineko with their bullshit insteaad of read the VN

fucking manga ruined this fandom
imagine allow people who can0t read book in our curcle

DESTROYED

>>37833124
That only means that Amakusa views Ange as too immature for her age.
That's just my speculation of course, but I believe that Amakusa was well aware of Ange's struggles and pitied her. Comparing her to a child soldier, when she was not ready for the kind of probelms she had to face as well, would be sensible in that sense.

>>37833083
People in their early fifties can still easily be in good shape if they don't a shit diet or something, really.

>>37833107
I don't remember your example, but i can tell you that visual novel writers love to just do characterizations for the sake of creating the feelings for certain characters and does not concern itself with the central drama. It's just gratuitous worldbuilding since VNs have all the time in the world.

>>37833156
>That only means that Amakusa views Ange as too immature for her age.
That's your interpretation, given his record, him not being in his forties or close to it would be weird.

>>37833161
Sure, but I just want to see the gang more in their prime if we're going to get a story involving them as adults.

>>37833162
They don't to the same extent of the average novel. This is why I say Umineko reminds me more of a real novel than most visual novels, which are less focused on dramatic action than e.g. manga but more so than most novels.

I wonder who taught ange basic women's problems since there was no mother figure for her growing up

You higuniggers get cancer for draw yellow bitch cosplaying as shinku

>>37833179
It's going to be up in the air if they're even going to do much. The focus will probably end up on the kids again, and maybe Sakiko's dad.
I just wish Ryukishi had set the story a decade or so earlier, instead of obsessing over the Reiwa shit.

>>37833177
>given his record, him not being in his forties or close to it would be weird.
Anime and VN characters accomplish great feats at young age constantly. Akasaka for example is a well respected national police special forces officer in his early to mid 30s.
I don't see how Amakusa having served in foreign countries as a mercenary somehow means he has to be at least forty years old.

>>37833180
Yes but the problem with umineko is those "arbitrary characterizations" are boring as all hell. It's in contrast with tarantino who is a master of inane character development. He can fuck shit up in one moment and turn back to serve you tea in the next, all the while feeling as natural as it can be.

>>37833203
I'm sure the kids will be the focus and the ones that solve the issues in the end, but I'd like if the original gang gets a supporting role. We've already seen a fair bit of Satoko and Keitaro talks about K1 a lot. We don't know much about the Sonozaki situation just yet.

>>37833221
I strongly disagree but then I think Tarantino is pretty uninteresting and relies on superficial effects so whatever.

Kill yourselves 07thnigger normalFAGS

>>37832732
Amakusa is so fucking based holy shit. Imagine him entering the meta and btfoing Bernkastel to protect Ange.

>>37833113
the vn is literally about the cyclical nature of trauma and "magic" as a way to deal with it, the story ends with her spreading the magic she learned from maria that has the power to break that cycle. more than anyone else she's a personification of the story's messages.

>>37833214
Police special forces officer/being well known by serving in foreign countries isn't the same.

>>37833251
>the story ends with her spreading the magic she learned from maria
Wouldn't it be funny if the VN ended with her spreading her buttcheeks for her bully classmates instead?

>>37833251
It didn't need 8 episodes if it was THE message, it also imply how shit the message is if it had to be personified

Kill yoyluselves socialniggers, normalfags with 3dps wives and gfs i hope your kids will die. Go fuck yourself female drawnigger. Hang yourself for making your toddler wear shitoko clothes

>>37833274
>how shit the message is if it had to be personified
Using symbolism in a symbolic medium is now shit. Okay.

>>37833156
AMAKUSA KILLED HER

HE SEEN HER AS A JOB NOTHING MORE
>>37833185
Trying to being isulted everywhere you go to being the son of a killer

>>37833286
>Ange was never meant to have a compelling character
>It's a feature

>>37833325
The two are not mutually exclusive.

>>37833242
He goes all in for entertainment. If you don't like his shtick then you won't love his style.
Besides, after all is said and done, there are no such things as "non-dramatic" developments, as you like to call it. Writers just can't distract themselves from writing the story in some direction that point to the the grand arc. Even if you think those details are useless in terms of narrative they still serve some purpose in the author's headcanon.
I don't know if I get this right, but george and shannon's date is one example of inane worldbuilding in umineko. At first glance it only shows the good times between george and shannon to make a point about their relationship, however upon closer inspection you can see george is nervous all the time and has to compensate for his nervousness with awkward jokes and hamfisted way of speaking. It pertains to his forceful behaviours later on (for example the fight vs gaap or love trial) since this guy was used to be in a lower position in his life.

Of course i'm pulling this out of my ass

>>37833337
NOOOOOOO PEOPLE ARE AWKARD DURING DATING

NOOOOOO IMPOSSIBLE
lfucking mao

GOAT FUCK OFF

>>37829810

>>37833349
Italian, here's some bones. CATCH!

Gonna buy higu answer arcs in the sale :))))))

>>37833274
this is ryukishi07 we're talking about, being long-winded is part of the draw for a lot of people. you don't have to like it, i just think it's a weird take to insist it's not supposed to be that way.

and i wouldn't say it's THE message per se, but it's one of the big ones. someone could even reasonably refute me with the claim that yasu is just as if not more important than ange if we're talking about other themes in the story, but the overcoming trauma stuff is ange.

>>37833355
It's battler being seduced by his thirsty aunt.
I won't deny rosa was like a waterfall down there when she talks to battler, of course

>>37833363
>now insult even the author to cover is incompetence as reader

1 BIT GOAT AT HIS FINEST

>>37833155
people just want mindless stimulation without any work.

>>37833337
>there are no such things as "non-dramatic" developments, as you like to call it
There absolutely are. So much so that this is one of the core points of discussion in Western literature. The relative absence of drama is the reason we call novels novels and not romances. There was a transition in Western literature from more dramatic works about outsized characters to more mundane, psychologically real works that focused more on mental experience, everyday life, and other non-dramatic material. Big difference between Shakespeare and Proust.

>>37833363
Well it feel extremely unearned, she barely does anything beside coping

>>37833368
No wonder Rosa was lusting after him, Rudolf gave him the lady-killer genes

>>37833377
SCUM JUST WANT THAT

THERE IS NOT HAPPYNESS WITHOUT HARDWORK
CLIMB A MOUNTAIN
WIN THE HEART OF YOUR LOVE
FIND A NEW SCIENTIFIC DISCOVER

ALL EMOTIONS CREATED WITH HARDJOB

THIS IS UMINEKO
200 HOURS TO DISCOVER SOMETHING OF UNIQUE NOT FAST AND FOOD COONSUMING

>>37833381
Dude. Then that would of course serve some purpose as world building, which means they aren't useless, right? There are no such things as non-interactive elements in an interactive world of fiction. It just can't. Everything must have a reason to exist. Someone gotta fire that gun, no?

>>37833397
...Where's my bones?

>>37832258
That image has awful implications. I swear there's gonna be another arc of finding out he's hitting her regularly and not where it matters.

>>37833402
I didn't say they were useless. I said they were arbitrary. For a novel, this is a compliment. In such cases, the detail should serve the psychological profile of the character rather than the plot.

>>37833409
Define "plot".

>>37833408
I don't think Sakiko would be so positive about her parents if her dad is beating the shit out of Satoko on a normal basis.

>>37833416
The central dramatic action of the narrative. In Aristotle's conception (the oldest and most extreme position), everything in a work of literature should be unified in its primary dramatic action.

>>37833440
Does that include any narrative elements that contribute to that central action?

>>37833452
By definition it includes them, but if you mean things like my example of Rosa or the George/Shannon date then no. These things are instrumental in fleshing out psychological state and to some extent they involve consideration of theme (Shannon seeing the blue sea) but they are not dramatic scenes.

>>37833510
Well imo anything that can tie itself back to the main narrative can be thought of as dramatic too. It's mostly in our enjoyment of them. If you enjoy fanservice in a work then that can be your personal dramatic action.

>>37833539
But that isn't dramatic action. Fanservice can't be drama even if it's your favourite thing about a work. This is an descriptive term I'm using here, not just anything in a story you personally enjoy. For example, a familiar anime that is reasonably heavy on dramatic action is Hunter X Hunter. K-On! is not. It doesn't make either of them bad but it's useful to have objective descriptors; by Shakespeare's time the classical unities of Aristotle were considered restrictive and unnecessary, even more so by the 19th century. If the depicted scene isn't serving the movement of the plot, then it's not dramatic action.

>>37833440
>>37833452
>>37833510
>>37833539
>>37833586
FUCKING GOATS TRYING TO PUT THEIR SITCOM KNOWLEDGE TO UMINEKO

READ THE FUCKING VN
UMINEKO IS A COMPLETE MASTERPIECE WITHOUT NOTHING OF YOUR GENRE,TAG SHIT

>>37833586
I'd argue that that rigid description would only work in traditional linear fiction. In a non-linear narrative form like visual novels scenes that you think are irrelevant to the overall plot may turn out to be following the thread of some other route. Of course this kind of device hasn't been tested enough in the western world so who knows.

>>37833634
In that case they would serve dramatic action by setting up a plot development in advance.

>>37833649
Even in umineko, a supposed linear story, you can argue that some seemingly arbitrary scenes do the jobs of setting up the plotline that one may not consider the central one. Is it the sayo's journey of getting her lover to remember or ange's journey to find peace with the truth? It only makes sense to discuss details when everyone agree which is the central narrative.
Personally i believe in the former.

>>37833677
Strictly speaking, the dramatic action of Umineko is the revisiting and reimagining of the Rokkenjima incident to reveal its mysteries and arrive at a conclusion. However, as I originally argued, Umineko more resembles a modern novel than a Greek tragedy, so the fact that you default to the character's psychological motivations for their involvement in the drama somewhat demonstrates my point. It wouldn't even be feasible to structure a Greek tragedy like Umineko because its premise depends of the profusion of often plot-irrelevant thematic and character detail that emerges from 'setting up the gameboard' over and over again, rather than straightforwardly telling the mystery story with no frills like an Agatha Christie novel. Christie's novels, incidentally, are very focused on their dramatic action, which is the solving of mysteries.

>>37833740
UMINEKO IS A FULL MYSTERY
SHKANONTRICE IS FAKE AND GAY

FAKE SOLUTION THAT FORCE ALL EP5 AND6 TO LOST HIS MEANING

>>37833740
*depends on

>>37833774
>
Dang, I won't be able to talk my way out of liking Eva's armpits...

>>37833740
>revisiting and reimagining of the Rokkenjima incident to reveal its mysteries and arrive at a conclusion
A bit disagreed here. The conclusion here is not dramatic action or whatever and the reimagining of rokkenjima incident did little to contribute to the reveal of the Single Truth. Not to say most of the characters in the gameboard of Single Truth don't have relevant interactions that showcase their developments throughout the 8 games to begin with. The central narrative of umineko is anything but unraveling the truth of rokkenjima incident. It's actually an important point because it can help to determine the real point of this tale.

>>37833794
Why would you want to talk your way out of it? It's not like someone would go out of their way and confront you for something as specific as liking EVA's armpits.

>>37833818
IKUKO IS YASU
ALL THE PLOT OF UMINEKO IS MAKING YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED BUT IN THE END WITHOUT UNDERSTANING THE TRUTH DOESN0T MATTER

>>37833818
That's why I said 'arrive at a conclusion' and not the truth. But all dramatic action by definition ends with some conclusion, and the dramatic action of Umineko consists of the mystery of the Rokkenjima incident.

>>37833832
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED IN REALITY

>>37833821
Someone might, and I'm not sure I could handle the humiliation of being attracted to a middle school girl's armpits.

Hey kings, EVA-Beatrice here.
There's nothing shameful about being attracted to my armpits. In fact, I welcome it.
Feel free to worship them as much as you like!

>>37833908
I love your armpits, EVA-Beatrice. I wish I could live long enough to serve you.

Screenshot it.
Three Kings are Three Kangz

>>37833362
Based

wait... ange has cancer?? is she ok??

>>37834006
SHUT UP
REALLY SHUT UP THE FUCK

I used to think liking armpits was a normal thing, but apparently it's a fetish

>>37833397
I love you italianon

>>37834034
thanks anon
love you too

>>37832258
He looks like comic book Norman Osborn

>>37834034
>>37834045
Now kiss

>>37834006
most importantly, Ange has breasts to suck on

>>37834055
DUBS DUBERINOS

Why is the thread dead now all of a sudden?

Day 159 of praying for RGD adaptation.

>>37834104
It's been less than five minutes, calm your ADHD.

BIG Polaris girl on the night of Hoshiwatashi

>>37834135
Hoshiwatashi or Oniokoshi?

Who are all the fragment witches in the 07th works? I just found out Alice is a kakera slut.

>>37834135
Oniokoshi
Apparently the Polaris have a celebration called Hoshiwatashi on the same night as Watanagashi or something like that.

>>37834233
Interesting how much faster paced Oniokoshi is than Hoshiwatashi so far. Makes me wonder if they're just being released independently from each other or if there's an order to the chapters of both series, like it was done for Danganronpa 3.

My leftover memories,
while still beautiful,
have been imprisoned in my heart,
where they shine coldly.

Even if we bite hard on our lips
and try to pull each other closer,
those days will not return,
and the two of us will not get back together.

PURPLE EYES You would
PURPLE EYES always
PURPLE EYES gaze at me
so tenderly.

My frozen body,
covered in wounds,
sways quietly
to my fulfilled feelings.

Even if I were
to whisper again
our words of vow,
they will not reach you now.

PURPLE EYES You would
PURPLE EYES always
PURPLE EYES gaze at me
so tenderly.

PURPLE EYES Someday
PURPLE EYES for sure
PURPLE EYES you and I
will be able to meet again.

PURPLE EYES Someday,
until the day of our reunion,
please continue sleeping in my bosom.

PURPLE EYES You would
PURPLE EYES always
PURPLE EYES gaze at me
so tenderly.

PURPLE EYES Someday,
until the day of our reunion,
please continue sleeping in my bosom.

Purple Eyes - Fist of the North Star

>>37834255
It'll be hard to say that it's faster paced until we get to see the next chapter of Hoshiwatashi.

Is /07/th excited for the Webb telescope?

>>37834354
I mean its release schedule. There are four Onoikoshi chapters so far and just one for Hoshiwatashi.

>>37834364
They're probably independent. Pacing out their individual chapters in specific ways could be interesting, but that sounds like a lot of work to plan things out, and Ryukishi really isn't the type to get that involved with anyone adapting his work. He's more the kind of guy to dump his notes on an unwitting individual and let them figure things out for themselves.

Still, I feel like Oniokoshi's weekly schedule is a little too frequent. Its chapters feel like they go by a little too quickly and don't have enough space to show much, and it might be better off on a biweekly schedule like Meguri.

My fujo gf....

guys there are TWO rikas

Rika, and Dika.

I think Ange actually genuinely canonically time-travelled even though magic isn't supposed to exist, I think she was given a sub-version of the looping power by Bern, which is why she gets shot to DEATH by Amakusa when visiting Rokkenjima and then comes back to two possible point in time at the end of EP8, but that is all the time-travelling she's done, she hasn't actually returned to 1983, all she did was enter the Meta world and became both a witness and a piece of the 1983 Rokkenjima gameboard, staying within the Meta world. Actually looping back to the rooftop/boat may not actually be part of the power Bern meant to grant her.

Speaking of Meguri, do you guys think it's properly paced? I always think about how long it would take for it to get to the end if it ends up doing the same thing as sotsu. It feels like we're still months away from oniakashi.

>>37833847
liking armpits is DUMB, you're STUPID! I'm going to tell everyone to not be your friend

>>37834505
It's better than Prisma Illya.

>>37834505
It's fine, honestly. It's moving at a pretty steady pace, and I feel like every chapter at least brings something to the table.
Manga just cannot be compared to anime in that way.

Am I the only one that enjoy ryuukishi more as a horror writter, I love the atmosphere of early Higurashi (the fist three chapters), and some of the parts of the question arcs of Umineko

>>37834419
>it might be better off on a biweekly schedule like Meguri
Biweekly or monthly releases for short manga chapters kill my interest desu, we're still in St Lucia for months and by now I don't even care anymore.
Oniokoshi is fine so far honestly.

>>37834562
I do too. Honestly I like Legend as a standalone. Some dislike it because of the slow introduction but it really put a different image in my mind of who Beatrice was before playing the rest of the game. However I confess I am also a retard and there are things I could not pick up on that many people here did.

>>37834562
You're probably looking for thriller but then again the border between those two genres are blurred.

>>37833280
> yoyluselves
Congratulations, that got past my filter through pure idiocy.

>>37834612
I just want to get to the club reunion for Meguri at this point

twitter fiIename

My interest in this franchise is growing faint. The most I do is have a tab open to this thread at this point.

>>37834708
I love Umineko.

>>37834708
Just play other games in the meantime and the magic will come back.

>>37834708
I prefer Umineko and Ciconia to Higurashi so I'm not really interested in most of the current events in 07th Expansion news. My activity will increase again when Phase 2 appears.

>>37834738
>Magic doesn't exist?

>>37834708
Ever since 2020 I've always found an excuse. Be it reading stuff I didn't read before or contributing something related to the series. Even though I see a decline in quality with things like Sotsu I can't really say I'm put off by it.

>>37834745
How?

>>37834708
There's still plenty of WTC shit I haven't read but I haven't touched any VN stuff in a while, I'm following those new Higu manga but that's kinda it at the moment.
Just kinda hesitant to start up something new

>>37834783
Because I think Higurashi is pretty patchy and diffuse compared to the later two, though with high enough highs that I still wanted to progress to Umineko after reading it.

>>37834805
>patchy and diffuse
What does that even mean in the context of higurashi?

I've had Ciconia installed for months now, I still don't feel like reading it since it looks so much like it was made for faggots.

how can we revive /07/th?

>>37834837
Become a drawfag who isn't a cringeworthy self-insert faggot

>>37834837
WTC needs more sex

>>37834831

Post:
>Fav WTC
natsuhi or sakoto
>Fav food and drink
Black Rye bread and fish or pizza and water.
>Fav genre of hentai.
l0li, trap

>>37834685
I deleted all my Umineko shitposting images the other day. I'm all out of Rika tea.
Considering deleting all of 07th Expansion images. I've been collecting since before the Deen anime but I hardly look at them ever.

>>37834869
>sakoto

falseflagging doomer

>>37834831
Loveless goat

>>37834837
Don't ever make another thread ever.
Let it die with whatever dignity it can.

>>37834885
Penis loving goat.

>>37834884
No idea what that even means anymore. Do I need to add falseflagging or doomer to filters?

>>37834827
That it has a lot of interesting ideas but I don't think it realises them all very well and at times feels patched together.

>>37834898
Honestly I don't think I've seen a character gayer than Andry. I don't know what the fuck was zeronana thinking.

>>37834869
>Fav WTC
Erika (even though she's used goods)
>Fav food and drink
Spaghetti and OJ (not together, retard)
>Fav genre of hentai.
Kill yourself.

>>37834912
You don't understand his motivation.
Only women can understand.

>>37834922
There's no women in here

>>37834869
Rosa and Lambdadelta
Oranges
See image

>>37834930
Then no one understands.

>>37834869
>Fav WTC
Umineko.
>Fav food and drink
I guess that'd be curry and milk shakes.
>Fav genre of hentai
Humiliation, blackmail, mindbreak. Preferably if it's a boy being dominated by a school girl or fat old man.

>>37834912
Andry is literally the biggest chad in Ciconia so far, and probably dicked down Rukhi and Sujatha a couple of times already.

>>37834898
That images implies the opposite of your post. There is love regardless of penis.

>>37834969
My image implies women are stupid enough to believe fags aren't twice as horny as normal people.

>>37834869
Lucifer
Grilled salmon
I don't masturbate to porn. It's useless and honestly pretty gross. The only way I masturbate is using my own imagination. Why settle for a drawing of Lucifer when I can just summon Lucifer herself?

>>37834998
I bet you don't even relate to Lucifer's pride you SOULLESS PUSSY! I deserve Lucifer 20 times more than you do.

>>37834998
Luciferzuri...

>>37828805
I CAME INSIDE THAT WOMAN SO HARD SHES PREGNANT! I MARRIED FEATHERINE IRL!

NIGGERJEW I SUMMON THEE WITH YOUR INCEL MANIFESTO!

>>37834992
And what might normal be, anon?

>>37835073
Non penis-loving men, of course.

>>37835082
Now give her cowtits

>>37835080
And what is a penis?

>>37835098
The thing I'd use to dick Erika if she wasn't used goods...

>>37834869
Rosa
Caesar salad with meat platter. Tea (iced is fine too)
—

>>37835098
The thing men have between their legs, fujo.

>>37834920
>>37834998
>>37835110
Why is this thread full of prudes?

>>37835087
i dont know how to do that in photoshop

>>37835124
Two of them are lying, I'm the only angel of purity here.

>>37835111
And what is a man?

>>37835135
There is nothing angelic about liking Erika

>>37835124
post yours fagoto.

>>37832893
>those knee socks
>that short skirt
>that tsundere blush
I couldn't contain myself if I were Juuza.

>>37835140
A miserable pile of secrets.

>>37835140
A MISERABLE LITTLE PILE OF SECRETS
BUT ENOUGH TALK, HAVE AT YOU

>>37835082

>>37835159
YES YES UES

>>37835124
I have no preferred genre as I masturbate to anything that features huge breasts.

>>37835167
Then you are a king, Rosabro

>>37835152
>>37835158
Dracumind

>>37835177

What happened to that one anon who was visited by Bernkastel in his dreams and invited to the Golden Land in exchange for his life?

>>37835206
It never happened dumbass it's taken from the balamb garden copypasta.

>>37835206
That was me. It was a shitpost using an ancient copypasta.

>>37835215
>>37835225
Prove it.

>>37835236
I'm a hardcore fan with FF8, so many times I would even try to escape reality with lucid dreaming, I would be in Balamb Garden where I would often train with Zell in the training center and help Selphie with the Garden Festival, but one day as I was talking to Selphie, we went to my dormitory for a private talk. She immediately said, "You know you could live with us forever.." I gave her a confused look and she continued, "We understand that you live on earth and you REALLY wish to live here". I then said "How..How did you know?" She then giggled and said "Because we've been watching you, silly!"

This was a dream come true and I almost cried right there. She then said, "I talked with Headmaster Cid and he agreed that you would be PERFECT for SeeD, you just have to do...one thing". She then held my hand and looked deep into my eyes and said "...You have to kill yourself for the transfer to work correctly." I then gave her some questions, "How long do I have before the deal expires?" She then said "Cid said 3 months.." I added by saying "What's the most painless way?..." She giggled again, "Suicide will require pain buuut...if you want it quick...Get a gun and a nice shot to the head works.

I then agreed and she gave me a kiss on the forehead, "I know this will be tough but once it's over and done, you'll get to live here!" I then woke up and this was last week and i purchased a gun. I might actually kill myself because that dream just felt too real to be fake and my life isn't doing so grand.

Cowzuho is super cute but she keeps dying! Why are you like this?

>>37835236
Original: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/197343-final-fantasy-viii/50745138
The post made in /07/th: >>/jp/thread/S37340675#p37346735

>>37835242
>>37835247
How does that prove anything? It might just confirm that the fictional world is real and multiple anons were invited to join in.

Dracula is cool

>>37835262

>>37835262
Then try lucid dreaming about Bernkastel. Who knows, she might really tell you to off yourself.

>>37835274
Lucid memes aren't real, it's not the same as being visited by the real Bernkastel in your dreams.

>>37835267
Nah, Willard is cool. Amakusa is cool. Motherfucking Sorcerer Battler is cool.
Dracula is a fag who listens to black metal.

Humans are so dull. How are my brothers doing today?

>>37835245
Kazuho only ever sees herself dying in dreams that may or not may be real. She hasn't died yet in any confirmed reality. But she should've.

>>37835335
Winter break so I don't know what to do other than shittily play the guitar, draw, play vidya, and make memes.

>>37835364
That's not very nice.

>>37835377
It would make everyone else happier if the gluttonous pig just went away.

>>37835143
You wouldn't get it.

Goodnight 07th
I need a break so I will be unplugging the internet. Leaving is impossible, but I can at least delay my next visit.

Those mei original characters are LAME

>>37835387
She's a precious lump of flesh and sperg!

>>37835457
No they aren't.
t. Kazuhochad

>>37835457

A friend invited me to a higurashi marathon sleepover today and naturally I was excited. So I asked my mom to drive me there, but she just said "if you want to go there so badly how about you get a license, buy a car and drive there yourself".
She knows full well that I don't have the money for a car since I'm unemployed, she just said that to harass me. I think she wants me to move out, but I won't fall for that. If she really wants me gone so much she'll have to murder me, but she'd better know that I am fully prepared and won't hesitate to fight for my life.

>>37835522
NEET aristocrat.

>>37835522
Anon that sounds cute as hell. Gonna have to say it's understandable that you feel frustrated from family saying stuff like that.

>>37835522
Sleepover? Are you sure you don't have a license because you're not old enough for one?

>>37835557
Why can't you have sleepovers over a certain age anymore?

>>37835585
You can stay over at a friend's house at any age, you just don't call it a sleepover at a certain point.

>>37835596
Oh, so it was just wordplay. Who cares how someone calls it if it's the same exact shit?

>>37835596
Wrong. I still call it a sleepover. That's what you're exactly doing.

https://youtu.be/z8omVTdTFfY
>You have been challenged by Gym Leader MITAKE

Marutake will appear in phase 2 as Toujirou's useless little brother who's in the know about the conspiracy but too incompetent to use that knowledge to his own advantage.

>>37835469
She's fat and has the intelligence of a grain of rice. Even Hanyuu is more useful than her.
>>37835457
Yes, but mostly Kazuho.

>>37835522
>she'll have to murder me, but she'd better know that I am fully prepared and won't hesitate to fight for my life.
have you considered inviting her to a scenic view by a cliff

I got the answer arc, time to grind out this shit.

>>37835776
Nice anon, have fun.

>>37835801
thanks

>>37835736
Why was Satoshi conveniently absent during that trip again?

>>37835894
He had some event going on with the baseball team that day. Maybe Rika could've convinced him to cancel it, but, y'know, that could've meant Satoko not eventually moving in with her, so it wasn't worth the risk.

All this talk about sleepovers remind me of a higurashi fanfic I decided to delete

>>37835948
Rika chose Satoko cunny over Satoko potentially leading a happy life with her family, she truly is based.

>>37835959
Rip anon's sleepover fanfic.

It amazes me that even a character as inoffensive as Satoshi has actual haters. The higurashi fanbase is cancerous.

Imagine marrying Rosa and becoming Maria's stepdad, but Rosa is busy at work every day and Maria won't stop singing the Big Chungus song next to you and doing fortnite dances whenever you try to concentrate on reading visual novels.

>>37836015
Being a parent is watching the youtube videos your kids are watching with you anon. Before it was watching the tv show your kids are watching but now it's youtube.

>>37832849
ItalianGOD I am terribly sorry I've been very busy lately so I couldn't participate I promise I will do it this week!!

>>37835989
He wanted to crush Satoko's head and not her puss...

>>37835989
Satoshi hate seems to be more people who just see him as a plot device and are annoyed others want him to get actually screentime/character focus.

>>37835989
he's pretty boring desu

>>37836099
>>37836108
No, I'm not talking about that.
There are people hating on Satoshi, mainly Keiichi self inserters and Satokeifags, who somehow view Satoshi as an obstacle for their favorite ship.
This was pretty noticeable during Higurashi Gou threads on /a/. It's pretty cringe desu.

>>37836099
>Satoshi hate seems to be more people who just see him as a plot device
Why doesn't OG Satoko get any hate then?

>>37833397
Impeccable, immeasurable wisdom. As much as I'd expect from my italianKING.
I KNEEL!!!

>>37836142
She was barely a character before Gou, for better or for worse. Her advantage was being a girl.

>>37836124
the what now? Can you actually show any example of that? How is Satoshi an obstacle when he's in a coma and Shion is not letting go of his dick? Teppei is more an obstacle at that point.

>>37836183
I don't understand Satokeifags, and I don't intend to try it either.
The only guess I have is that they want Keiichi to be Satoko's "true" Nii-Nii, and Satoshi is obviously an obstacle for that to ever happen.

>>37836225
I'm a Satokei fag and I don't know what you're talking about. It's this an /a/ exclusive?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnLR_smptFA

Damn I wish I could ever find another VN with as much soul as Higurashi.
But perhaps that is a task with no end in sight. For now, I'm glad that I was born into this wolrd to experience Higurashi and live.

I innately don't trust anyone who says Satokei.

Would you blanda them all uppu?

>>37836314
Why

>>37836142
Satoko was a developed character with a character arc in the original, at least. She was just stuck in the background during the stories focused on her, but she was highly relevant to a large chunk of the characters and general plot, while Satoshi is only really relevant to Shion and Satoko, and the resolution of his plot is him still being stuck in a coma.
Though out of all the characters, Mion got screwed over harder than anyone. I'm not even sure what Ryukishi wanted to achieve with her by the end.

Higurashi is really not that interesting of a VN, Umineko is 20 times better.

Rika every day of her life, believing that she's still a virgin after getting drunk raped so many times.

>>37836572
Considering how many times it would've happened, it'd be weird if she didn't find out at some point.

>>37836589
Someone told her a lie about human biology that makes her think oozing a white liquid out of your pussy in the morning to be like another kind of period.

>>37836376
The Hojo situation overall was pretty central to Higurashi, since it was connected to the dam war, the general villager situation(ostracizing the Hojo family), and the yearly curses.
I would've liked to see the effects on Satoshi's wellbeing get explored similar to how we saw Satoko's abuse get its spotlight in arcs. The connecting fragments scenes showed him struggle, but I'd have liked to know him a bit better, since Satoshi's existence is at least important to Tatari, Meakashi, and Minagoroshi(and Onikakushi, since Mion/Rena are trying to prevent K1 from going the route of Satoshi 2.0)

>>37836376
>Though out of all the characters, Mion got screwed over harder than anyone
Huh? Why? She's like the fan favorite character accoring to polls, and for a reason.
She's not like Satoko who's literally absent during most episodes. Mion's always there, scheming and supporting from the sidelines.

>>37836623
Is that the true form of the Maggot Gushing Disease?

>>/v/582360038
Tegakikun...

>>>/v/582360038
Tegakikun...

>>37836851
You know, I thought the guy had been fucking around when he was constantly calling tegakianon a woman, but begging him to come back in that thread makes me think it's just plain mental illness.

>>37836896
It is pretty cringe so please stop talking about it.

Magic doesn't exist? Then explain this!
You are now breathing manually

>>37837006
I am going to hold my breath until I faint.

>>37837006
Jokes on you, I already was!

>>37829670
Gohdatrice.

>>37837006
Jokes on you! I'm not breathing right now!

>>37829670

>>37836314
satokei

>>37837037
i hate that i didn't notice the chair until i enlarged this

>>37834233
This isn't actually confirmed yet as far as I can tell. Though it's clear Hoshiwatashi (star ferrying, with the nuance of delivering or handing something over) is meant to evoke Watanagashi/cotton drifting so it could very well end up being true.

>>37836657
I just want to see more of the early Houjou stuff, given how shit their lives were from the very start, but we only know about tiny pieces of it. We know, for instance, that Satoshi was aware of how their earlier stepfathers were actually abusive towards Satoko, but we don't know if Satoshi was a target too, and how he reacted to their treatment of Satoko. It's easy to imagine a scenario such as Satoshi mostly trying to avoid their stepfathers' wrath, but ending up with a strong sense of guilt over that around the time Mr. Houjou became involved in their lives, thus leading him to become so protective of Satoko, but we just don't really know much of anything when it comes to that part of their lives.
>>37836682
>Mion's always there, scheming and supporting from the sidelines.
I have to strongly disagree with that. If anything, Mion's biggest issue is that she's too passive to actually get involved, other than her playing corpse janny a couple of times.
In Onikakushi, she was basically just the other girl who was spooking Keiichi, with most of the focus being on Rena.
In Watanagashi/Meakashi, she spent most of the story in the cuck cage, having little opportunity to do anything other than cry as Shion keeps torturing everyone she cares about. Only the first half of Watanagashi really deals with Mion proper, and it's all about how she's too much of a coward to be honest with herself. In Meakashi, we learn that Mion doesn't want to rock the boat and thinks people should just swallow their bad situation instead of causing trouble.
In Tatarigoroshi, Mion knew about Teppei's return from the beginning, but decided to just keep it a secret from the rest of the group, probably because she was too ashamed of the Sonozaki's role in things. She gets rid of Teppei's corpse, but this feels like it's more of a general Sonozaki thing than it being about Mion as an individual.
She at least makes something of an effort in Tsumihoroboshi, but this also feels like a Sonozaki thing rather than a Mion thing. It gets really hard to separate her from the group as a whole sometimes. Her mother taking charge during their little discussion with Ooishi makes sense, but it ends up removing the opportunity for Mion to actually shine for once. Mion also ends up useless during the climax at the school, while everyone else had a significant role there.
Mion was again useless in Minagoroshi, being dragged along by Keiichi all the while. I guess she was helpful in helping Rena overcome her issues, but that was kind of a really minor part.
She does end up very relevant in Matsuribayashi, doing most of the legwork in figuring out Takano's scheme and ostensibly leading the group against the Yamainu (though the group operates so smoothly that it never feels like they actually need a leader), but I have little respect for Matsuri and don't take it very seriously. At least her parts in Connecting Fragments were interesting, even if they all ended up revolving around Satoko because Satoko Satoko Satoko.

Really, Mion's biggest issue is that I just don't feel like she ever grew as a character. She's basically the same person from start to finish, even though she is given notable flaws, that should've been at the core of a character arc that just never comes into existence. She's also supposed to be the leader of the group, but she doesn't really do much leadership until Matsuri, and I guess when they went to bury the bodies in Tsumi, but that's a pretty minor event. The story also goes out of its way to note that if she isn't propped up by others, Mion will immediately collapse in the face of any real adversity, which is just about the shittiest quality a "leader" could have, but it's never really addressed in any meaningful way.
She's passive to a fault, much like Rika, but while Rika got most of Minagoroshi to explore that aspect of her character and ends with her growing past that (until Matsuri erases that from her memory because Ryukishi wanted to push Hanyuu to the forefront at the cost of everyone else), but Mion never got that kind of arc, even though she really needed it.

I honestly can't understand why Mion is so popular when she's indisputably the character who got screwed over by Ryukishi the hardest, going as far back as Hinamizawa Bus Stop, where most of that Mion was rolled into Satoko's character into the transition to Higurashi proper. I really just feel like Mion deserved much better.

Imagine Koshka not knowing how to respond to you playing with her certain areas through her clothing. Imagine the faces and sounds she'd make as you treat her like the girl she is.

>>37837149
>Hoshiwatashi (star ferrying, with the nuance of delivering or handing something over)
Maybe it's related to Tanabata somehow? What's the date/year that Rei manga happens in? Are they celebrating that anywhere? Would it maybe be a local spin on this?

>>37837205
tldr

>>37837229
Satoko's MASSIVE FUCKING CLOWN NOSE

>>37837238
It's the beginning of June, shortly before Watanagashi. So a bit too early for Tanabata unless the story keeps going after K1 and Mion die.

>>37837205
>I honestly can't understand why Mion is so popular when she's indisputably the character who got screwed over by Ryukishi the hardest
Because Mion is still a pretty entertaining character in scenes with her despite being screwed out of an arc.
Feels like the whole gang's flaws come to the forefront in at least one arc or another, but Mion's flaw is literally that she can't take over a situation or make it about herself, despite her position as the Sonozaki head giving her the opportunity to do exactly that.

Also I think Mion's whole "passive to a fault" thing is something that might naturally go away as she gets older and either settles into the role as the successor or rejects it. Other characters had bigger issues they had to directly face on their own, sometimes even getting the fragment memories to combat them.

>>37837205
I would probably rank Mion right around the middle as far as club member go because I like her chemistry with the other characters and her dialogue is fun but this pretty much echoes my frustrations with how she was written. She had the potential to be a lot more and I don't understand why R07 keeps squandering it at every turn.

orewa maria-sama daze

>>37837205
Don't care still prefer Mion over Satoko.

>>37837299
Mion and Shion are opposites in that one is utilized often but didn't get a big dive into her character, while the other is very fleshed out but somewhat underutilized in the overall series.

This is clearly meta commentary on the twin dynamic, Ryukishi I kneel.

>big breasts are great but small ones with potential are the best because you can experience them at any size as they grow
Keiichi has the potential to become another Kinzo

>>37837329
Sisters shouldn't do that...

>>37837341
What or who could he possibly uuuuoohhhhhh anway? Satoko is a brain damaged autist and Rika is a century-long witch past her expiration date pretending to be a little girl. Neither of those really count as women.

>>37837372
The next generation

>>37837397
Also pre-looper Satoko is perfect for grooming. Just keep her in the Kuwadorian with a pet Rika

>>37837459
Satoko is a mentally ill retard with violent tendencies.
Also there is nothing erotic about her canonical buck teeth and gnome like stature.

Umineko is missing eurobeat

>>37837481
I beg to differ. Satoko is the perfect mix of violent retard and erotic pet

Should I buy Iwahime during the Steam sale? I heard the Steam version has some different (worse) translation for some fucking reason but I don't know if that's true.

>>37837268
>Also I think Mion's whole "passive to a fault" thing is something that might naturally go away as she gets older and either settles into the role as the successor or rejects it. Other characters had bigger issues they had to directly face on their own, sometimes even getting the fragment memories to combat them.
If anything Rei just seems to be continuing all that to an embarrassing extent. Mion didn't become the successor after Oryo, her mother took the role, but then she also seemingly did nothing else and is still just the "future successor". It's really the most embarrassing route R07 could have taken with her.