/jp/ - Otaku Culture

We've probably tried multiple, entirely separate times over the years only to end up fizzling out almost immediately.

>/jp/
>doing something other than fapping and bitching all day long

/jp/ is fucking lazy and stupid, we'd rather bitch about ZUN fucking shit up than do it ourselves.

>multiple people
There lies the problem. Everyone will want shit done a certain way and it just falls apart.

You imply that ZUN is no better than the collective of /jp/.

As a rule, the more people work on a project, the less work gets done.

I know for a fact that multiple anime subbing and VN translating groups were born from /a/ and /jp/ and managed to do shit well. It's obvious that you guys are capable of working together to accomplish a hard project.

>>3775876
That's true, well just compromise and shit.

Or we could upstage /a/ by making a KS with touhous

>>3775897
It will never happen, don't bother.

>>3775919
KS? Katawa Shoujo?

...Like, givning Touhou characters disabilities, and centering a dating sim around that?

But danmaku games aren't very good.

I've tried bro, not easy at all. Shit takes time, resources, cooperation, and a fuckload of skill. I tried making one about a year ago with a friend of mine thats in my computer programming class. Shit didn't go well, we fought for like 2 weeks on what to include in the game (we ended up having Reimu, Marisa, Reisen, and Suika as playable characters with 6 stages and a variety of bosses). Took us about 2 months to complete 1 stage and then we took a break for a month. Came back, somehow lost the file and didn't make a backup. Then we gave it one huge FUCK IT!

>>3775919
>>3775928
Ever try making a VN, I have. IT'S FRUSTRATING AS FUCK!

>>3775947
Seconded.

>>3775947
/a/ managed to make a VN. Why can't /jp/ do the same?

>>3775856
yeah im lonely too i submitted an add on http://www.iwantapal.com/ tho maybe itll work out for me

>>3775963
because /jp/ is filled with perfectionists
/a/ just settles with whatever they have not caring if it's shit

we'd rather just let mugen do it.

>>3775963
Because /a/ doesn't give a fuck about VNs. They just got together and said "Hey lets make a game with moe moe characters and jam eveything /a/ likes in there." /jp/ would get in fights on the direction of the game (DEEP vs full of sex and cute girls) and would steal shit from other games and /jp/ would just bitch about it.

>>3775987
Fascinating.

>>3776085
It really is.

There's only 4 people on the KS team that visit 4chan. Most the original 4chan team is gone. I know all the current artists were recruited from places besides 4chan.

>>3775860

>Why doesn't /jp/ make a Touhou game?

Because /jp/ is full of secondaryfans more concerned with Baka and DELICIOUS FLAT YOUKAI MOE instead of the games.

You're welcome, OP.

No one on /jp/ have the programming/drawing skills to make a touhou game. Even if they did, they're too lazy to make it.

>>3775860
> Implying social recluses like /jp/ could ever cohesively work together on a long term project

>>3777429
That's what they said about ZUN. Did that stop him?

Just make a single stage, probably Stage 6/Extra. Post it, find 6 more people to make a single stage each. Patch it together into a game. It won't have a consistent story, art, patterns or anything else, but it'll be playable and maybe even fun.

>Searches for Touhou thread on /jp/

...DONE.

>Prepares to interject.

EASY PROSPECT....

but I suck at implementing levels in STGs.

ZUN benefits from having made at least 1 shmup (and I think he even had help on that one; 2nd TP game for PC-98?). It's the same core engine, with tweaks and whatnot. You make one game, and the rest become easy-modo.

If no one minds FLASH, I ~~could~~ make a flash-powered STG... AS3 has greatly increased the amount of bullets that can be moved onscreen before lag becomes an issue.

If I can figure out how to implement XML, we could use BulletML for bullet pattern layouts.

If you're willing to put up with the initial trollan, /v/ can actually be somewhat of a help; there's always a few creative people/ people who are willing to establish 4CHAN GAMING STUDIOS.


but this is all idealistic. collaborative projects over the internet with people you don't know well = not a good idea. not everyone would have the ability to commit to the project and stuff.

best hope is for people to randomly contribute stuff into a pile, then have some competent person make something with it.

>ACTIONSCRIPT IS FUN! IT'S NOT MINDRAEP LIKE C++ OR ANYTHING! Also, you can export in executable format; screw filesize, it's not going to be played in a webbrowser anyway!

http://z4.invisionfree.com/touhouvn/index.php

If we were to make a shmup it'd be a terrible waste. ZUN's got that covered, he's been making shmups for over a decade, and none of us will make a better Touhou shmup.

As silly as it sounds, I'd like to see an action/shmup MMO with roleplaying elements.
None of the official characters would be featured, and instead the story would take place in the early, chaotic days of Gensokyo. Characters can freely build and customize and build their Touhous using our famous formula, and character progression would involve designing personal spell-cards from modular elements somehow earned over time.

The art style would be heavily influenced by KamS

>>3777818

And of course it would be open PvP

Touhou X-com. Someone had to defend Gensokyo during the alien attacks, since X-com can't pass through the barrier.

>>3777858
Can I has Neil Armstrong, defender of the human race then?

>>3777468
>Reimu is like a classic tsundere, but with some modern variation. She slowly moves from 1 (tsun) to 10 (dere) over time, with bipolar moments of +/- 2 or so.

... ...
...
I can't formulate a response

>>3775860
Fuck making Touhou fangames! When Reitaisai comes around, take Touhou 13's demo and add in your own original Touhous, music, and story for stages 4, 5, 6, and Extra. Make sure everythiing matches ZUN's style. Wait for C78 and then upload that bitch to Share an hour or two before the real Touhou 13 hits the internet.

That would be a MUCH better goal to direct any efforts toward.

>>3778184
Fuck making a fun game, let's make a shitty knockoff for the sake of a bad joke!

>>3778198
But, but, Mima extra stage boss ;_;

>>3777858
Glorious.

>>3777452 Implying JavaScript-derived languages are less of a clusterfuck than C++
I'm not saying C++ isn't a clusterfuck, but holy shit

>>3778184

epic raid, bro

>ACTIONSCRIPT IS FUN!
Oh God!

>>3778255
Please, enlighten us. Which programming language do you find fun?

>>3778198
Making a fun game has already been emphatically ruled out. Specifically, in the first sentence of >>3775860's post.

>>3778274
No, making a game at all was ruled out with that sentence. If by some miracle a game managed to get made, it could be fun.

>>3778263
LISP

>>3778285
That would imply that Touhou games can be fun.

>>3778263
Lisp is fun, Haskell is fun, C is less fun, but not too bad. ActionScript isn't actually that bad of a language, it's like Scheme-lite, but why Flash?
C++ is the "standard language" used in game development, but there's no reason why you couldn't use just about any non-brain-dead language for something like Touhou, it's not that resource intensive as one might think. Hell, you may even get away with doing it in C# or Java, if you fancy the enterprise that much.

>>3778298
You're implying that implying something implies that the implied is false.

>>3778301
Flash is because no one is willing to download your shitty game. You know that.

>ZUN does it alone
But ZUN, you see, is God.

I'm making my own Touhou doujin game right now, and I'm smart enough to not do it with /jp/.

>>3778321
I'd rather make a real game, than a shitty game, but in your defense, I've seen some really impressive flash games , which I downloaded, because I download EVERYTHING, I prefer everything to be standalone.

>>3778263
If I ever did Bullet Hell game it would be in XNA + C#. It is easy to use, its harder to fuck up things than in C/C++ (and others), and you can make games for X360 and Zune (HD) without much changes..

>>3778301
If your bullet hell game isn't using 100% of your CPU time drawing bullets, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BULLETS!

>>3775860
>>Why doesn't /jp/ make a Touhou game?

I don't understand how you can make a bullet hell game when you barely play bullet hell games.

>>3778368
Are you frustrated?

>>3778368
Someone had to create the first, and he obviously wouldn't have played one before, so I don't see the logic in that.

>>3778409
Reducto ad absurdem NO SUCH THING AS BULLET HELL GAEMS

>>3778383
Yes. Fangames frustrate me.

If people don't do their homework, then it turns out like King of Get's Touhou fangames or the thousands of terrible Sonic/Mario/Castlevania/etc. fangames already out there.

It's the same as trying to be a film director without watching any films, or an author without ever reading any books. Even Japanese ZUN himself is a shmup/STG addict, which is why he makes these games in the first place.

>>3778457
If you're trying to emulate the original game, you've already lost. Fans of the original will notice it's not as good, and non-fans will just play the original. The best you can hope for is overshadowing the original, and why would you want to do that to your favorite game?

>>3778457
It's like making music without ever having heard a sound.

>>3778607


Good thing Beethoven learned and taught music BEFORE he lost his hearing, eh?

>>3778614
Which brings up an interesting point.

If Beethoven was a Servant, would he be summoned with or without his hearing?

>>3778628

My dear sir, you seem to have mistaken me for someone pathetic enough to care.

>>3778632
>/jp/
>assumption of patheticness
not seeing a problem here

>>3778639

Pathetic, yes, but not quite to that degree.

>>3778614
But there are many others.
Blind painters and such.

>>3778646

If that is so then name an example and cite your evidence. We aren't going to believe it just because you say so. You're not (a) God.

>>3778645
There's no sense in denying it, Arc. Give in to your curiosity.

>>3778651
No, but I'm a close second.

>>3778651
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%C5%9Fref_Arma%C4%9Fan

So obscure I might have written this myself.
But I have no time for you, now begone!

>>3778665
>So obscure I might have written this myself.
Oh woops.
Evidence at the bottom.

>>3778665

>linking to Wikipedia

You, sir, fail.

>>3778679
http://www.esrefarmagan.com/index-tr.html
http://www.armagan.com/

>>3778679
Are you butthurt, Arcueeeeeid?
The evidence is all there!
It exists!
Blind painters exist! Now accept this fact!

>>3778700

Be that as it may, he still fails for committing a most grievous error in linking to Wikipedia. No one links to Wikipedia.

>>3778707
I link to Wikipedia, faggot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot

>>3778707
You think he fails, that is your opinion.
You have failed, that is a fact.

>>3775860

This. I'd help code if a project started. Let me read the thread...

>>3775860
The game engine itself is not hard to make or use, one guy can seriously make a touhou game alone. Given the resources such as the game engine, a good script, decent amount of good pictures/sprites and some good music for the stages, anyone can probably put a stage, or even the whole game together in about a full day.

The game itself still haven't been made however, since /jp/ doesn't seem to have someone that have that much dedication to take charge and actually search around to gather the parts. I'm sure someone can get some drawfags here or /a/ to do the sprites and drawings, a decent script in a thread here, /mu/ to get compose some tracks, and /g/ to get a working game engine. Result? PROFIT!!!

A Flash Touhou game?

Why has nobody mentioned Marine Benefit yet?

http://nekofla.web.fc2.com/game/th_kaikeidou/th_kaikeidou02.html

>>3778937
>one guy can seriously make a touhou game alone
Well, obviously.

>>3778937
Only possible if you steal all the parts from other people/games. Making an actual game similar to ZUN's from scratch would take a few months at least.

>>3779006

See >>3778946

>>3778946

Holy shit, track 5 is awesome. Someone get this guy a job with ZUN.

>>3779002
One /jp/ guy. Better? ;A;

>>3779006
Music is the hardest part imo. Pictures/sprites I can probably pump out dozens in a week as long you don't ask me to do LAWLZUNART. If someone want to, we can pair up and we'll do all the pictures/sprites (maybe one of us do just pic, while the other do all the sprites). As for game engine, I don't see why we can't rip off from another game/previous touhou games. It's like Super Mario, there's nothing wrong with using an engine that works perfectly well in their next... 30 sequels.

>>3778946
Not bad, but attack animations and bullets could use more work.

>>3779059
1) May be best to make your own engine since you can't change functionality too much. There's already quite a few people that made clones of touhou engines, but never actually published them.
2) There are tools, some public, some private for editing the dialogue and ending scenarios, as well as making your own, but nobody bothered to understand ZUN's compiled bullet language, nor map format.

I've always wanted to write a Touhou script.

"A human wandering around in the middle of the night? Is she lost or just foolish?"

"That human is me, and I have a destination."

"I hope that your destination does not lie beyond this gate."

"And if it does?"

"You might run into a dreadful obstacle. I would hate to see that."

"Be that as it may. Now would you move, 'obstacle'."

"How obstinate."

Cue boss fight.

>>3778348
>XNA
use a real platform, like native DirectX, or Unity

>>3779119
I can already see the ZUNart sweatdrops and angry marks.

>>3779171
Fuck that. Use OpenGL.

I'd do it in a Java-like language... it's just that FLASH handles the grrrraphics side for you, so all you have to do is script stuff.

But the core concept is the same; I could probably write a C# equivalent of what I have, once I find the corresponding functions. I keep on forgetting how to add shit to the sprite batch (because flash just lets you go attachMovie(), or addChild(), to add shit.)

the language is not what's important; the fact that you can move a metric fuckton of bullets while only slowing down to 30fps AT WORSE is what's important.

if ZUN dies before touhou 18 /jp/ will create Touhou 18 Something of Lasers

/a/ made a game but /jp/ doesnt have the talent to do so.

hey /jp/ im need some advice. Im 23 but im unemproyed all my life. I want get job, but what do I put on my resume. thanks for help in advance

>/a/ made a game
Sure? I never heard of one.

> Fuck making Touhou fangames! When Reitaisai comes around, take Touhou 13's demo and add in your own original Touhous, music, and story for stages 4, 5, 6, and Extra. Make sure everythiing matches ZUN's style. Wait for C78 and then upload that bitch to Share an hour or two before the real Touhou 13 hits the internet.
Good idea, I'll give it a shot.

I think I wouldn't have that hard a time to make a Touhou. The problem lies with me sucking so much I can't beat Hard, so I wouldn't be able to judge difficulty past Normal. (And neither beat it and see that it is possible to beat)

Why the fuck would you want to make a bullet hell game? Go make a game you actually enjoy.

>>3778689

>>3778946
checked game out.

pretty cool.

but it feels kinda stiff.

it's definitely a bit higher quality than your average flash game, though... could benefit from more PARALLAX. (background's a bit too static for my taste; then again, I've yet to beat lvl1, so who knows!)

pretty good quality; srccode plox?


>plays some more

GOD DAMN. Not even DonPachi was this aggrivating. BUT I WILL PERSEVERE!

Playing on lunatic modo: bullets are conveniently right where you are going to move. Old news to you folks, but I'm a resident of the manic/oldschool family (yknow, move fast and avoid stupid risks.). Shit does not work like that.

/jp/ never finishes anything it starts.

>>3781607
/jp/ never starts anything it finishes

But I am making my own danmaku game. I also don't consider myself a frequent /jp/ poster. That might be why.

Once it's actually somewhat presentable, I'll consider dropping by /jp/ to get some feedback. I know at least SOME of you play bullet hell games, and I know there are more of you here than on /v/, because it's too hardcore for them.

>>3781630
/jp/ never finis-- fuck this, I'm going to fap.

>>3781666
Nice. Now get out of here before /jp/ infects you with the NEET!

>>3781743
I see what you did there.

If we are doing something like this, we need every freaking touhou in there. Touhou 36: Touhou Allstars