/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Remind me why we care about EGS scores again.

Next round when?

>63.58 - France Shoujo ～Une Fille Blanche～

I seriously hope no one votes for this in the finals

>>3758121
(posted again since I didn't realise the old thread was on autosage)
Look at Kitto, Sumiwataru Asairo Yori mo's EGS score. Play the game and compare your experience.

France Shoujo attracted similar discrimination because people played it with the wrong expectations. They didn't WANT a ridiculously long eroge written in 1920s Japanese. They didn't WANT 48 endings. They just wanted a standard Tony eroero, and they were pissed off when they didn't get it. Everyone _else_ (the people who would actually appreciate something like this) ignored it because it's a Tony game and Tony games historically have just been boring eroero. Look at the texty reviews and you'll see that.

Don't get me wrong, EGS is a great tool, but it's downright wrong about some games.

>>3758145
How can EGS be wrong or right? It's simply opinions.

>>3758105
seeing high medians for everything compared to the average, I am guessing that there are a lot of trolls on EGS.

>>3758145
Shut up already fangirl. Japs have at least some decent taste to reject generic pandering games of the lowest kind in rating sites.
It's a shame for the board as a whole that even one faggets voted for that

I will vote for Kara no Shoujo in the finals because the rest in that list is pretty much shit.

>63.58 - France Shoujo ～Une Fille Blanche～

It's that awful?

>>3758154
Okay, it's not wrong. If you got everyone in Japan to play France Shoujo and rate it out of 100, I'm pretty sure the median would be even worse than 70. But that would apply to most eroge. It's meaningless if you assess without using the intended audience.

>>3758178
The fuck is it a pandering game? It's an UTSUGE. How do hypnotic loops of repeated events, spectacularly abstract dream sequences, about a thousand kanji you've never even seen in your life used in the strangest ways and excessive amounts of abstract imagery and symbolism 'pander' - if it was a game worth playing only for the H scenes, why aren't there any anywhere near the beginning of the game? Heck, on a number of full-length routes you see only a couple of H scenes total, most of them pretty miserable.

>>3758104
hey please stop spamming ur shitty board on Pnontalk dot com except with "a" insted of "P" thanks in advanenc

By Mean
91.96 - MuvLuv Alternative
86.89 - Baldr Sky Dive1 "LostMemory"
84.99 - Kimi ga Nozomu Eien
84.66 - Swan Song
81.40 - Eden* They Were Only Two, On The Planet
79.19 - Rui wa Tomo wo Yobu
77.61 - 11eyes
75.68 - Kara no Shoujo
70.00 - I/O
63.58 - France Shoujo ～Une Fille Blanche～


This is likely more useful then median

>>3758231
I really value good storytelling over ero scenes, but congrats for making me change my vote. Yes, I believe it will be too sophisticated for Ixrec to do a good translation.

Now let's vote for Swan Song for a good plot at last.

>>3758231
Why should the intended audience matter? If only the intended audience rated games, everything would be ridiculously overrated.

>>3758261
I don't think mean is really more useful than median at all - given that EGS users like to spam things they considered landmines with 0s rather than a sensible score, mean values are normally pushed down further than they should be - if you use mean instead of median titles like Parfait (which are 'safe' as they appeal to a lot of people) get much higher scores than things like Full Metal Daemon Muramasa which has the same median score but because it is less generally appealing (being bloody, violent and pretty much all bad endings), despite being really liked by a lot of people, it's sitting on a mean of 80.24%

>>3758105
This ‘should’ be blatantly obvious. Poll ratings like EGS don’t require polers to have ‘actually’ played any of the games they vote for; therefore the polling is flawed to begin with. Think about it, some people vote according to the artwork, some according to who wrote it, some according to the voice actors involved and so on. Not to mention the other category of people who ‘down vote’ other titles just to see there favourites rise in status.

So thankyou but I’ll take the EGS with a grain of salt. Reading reviews, written by individuals whose opinion I respect will remain the way in which I determine what is or isn’t, worth my time.

>ITT we discuss EGS ratings

So is the 63 average score game better than the 84+ games?

>>3758516
inb4 flood of opinions.

WHERE'S MY REIKA TRAINING BITCH

>>3758366
The opinions of individual reviewers are as worthless as erogamescape. At least with egs you get a variety of opinions instead of just one person's word. Either way you'll never know if you're going to like something until you try it yourself.

Also a little tip, egs has comments so you can see why people voted a game high or low. That makes it a lot easier to pick out troll ratings.

>>3758487

God bless those yurifags for translating something that probably no one else would touch.

>>3758594
Hell yes. Aoishiro was awesome. What was it's EGS score again?

Oh yes...

>>3758538
But opinions of people whose taste you agree with are anything but worthless, and even if you don't know the reviewer a decent review explains why you might or might not like the VN while just looking at numbers tells you nothing.

I agree with your second point though, except it's not just trolls doing rating manipulation by up/downvoting but there's also people playing a VN for the wrong reasons and then being disappointed in it. Like expecting a generic Tony Taka erofest.

Too bad most people don't even know enough Japanese to read simple comments and even if they did they'd likely be too lazy to do so if I know /jp/ at all.

So how the fuck did Eden make it?

>>3758800
NNL, apparently.
http://nnl1.com/

>>3758649
I'm not sure about you but there isn't anyone who I always agree with. And even explanations of the pros and cons of a game are completely subjective. A reviewer might say that a game has good humor but you play it and don't find it funny, a reviewer may say the plot is bad when some people might like it, etc.

>I agree with your second point though, except it's not just trolls doing rating manipulation by up/downvoting but there's also people playing a VN for the wrong reasons and then being disappointed in it.
That is still something you can easily determine if you read the comments. Although I still don't think your "playing it for the wrong reasons" claim has much validity. It seems like an excuse to brush off any criticism, like when people say that anyone who doesn't like something they like just didn't "get it."

Obviously comparing the top titles on EGS means little, but I doubt the top of the list won't be better than the bottom of the list.

>>3758800
>>3758809
I'm amazed people actually listen to those trolls. Is a bunch of random prize crap really worth selling your soul?

Not that eden* isn't a great game, but if I was thinking about voting for it and you told me nnl was doing this shit I'd switch my vote to Mugen Kairou or something in a heartbeat.

Just play the game. No need for second hand opinions.

Its not like you have to buy them or anything.

>>3760687
There is only 1 little problem. Most people don't know Japanese.

>>3760693
AGTH + ATLAS

EGS is one notable factor but in no way determines /jp/'s potential reception of each specific game. See Umineko for example; it's nonvoiced, non-ero, so they got low score on EGS. Meanwhile sex romp game like Reika Bitch Training can receive higher score.

[Lass & 5pb] 11eyes
Action/adventure/mystery/fantasy (Persona 3 meets FSN?)
Pros: innovative scene playback/POV shift system (Cross Vision)
Cons: anime sucked, poor use of moemoe stereotype characters
Others: EGS median score (80)
http://dragonautics.co.at/community/usrpages/lhnl/blog/?p=164

[GIGA!] Baldr Sky Dive1 "LostMemory"
Cyberpunk mecha
Pros: fullvoiced. top EGS median score (90), almost flawless execution of sci-fi cliches/tropes
Cons: Dive2 isn't guaranteed to be able to complete the series excellently
Others: mecha battle gameplay
http://amaterasu.is.moelicious.be/forums/index.php?topic=72.msg1750#msg1750
http://amaterasu.is.moelicious.be/blog/?p=233

[Minori] Eden* They Were Only Two, On The Planet
End of the world drama, kinetic novel
Pros: short script size, art by 11Eyes and Haru no Ashioto artists, high EGS median score (85)
Cons: could've been picked by NNL instead
Others:
http://amaterasu.is.moelicious.be/forums/index.php?topic=72.msg1665#msg1665
http://accany.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/eden-with-plusmosiac-review/

>>3760724
>it's nonvoiced, non-ero, so they got low score on EGS
what. It has a low score because people apparently don't like it. Higurashi's original game has high scores despite having the same problems as Umineko.

>>3760697
If you are happy with that and can decipher Atlas, why are you here voting for translations? If you play the whole game to decide if it's worth playing or not, what's the point of getting it translated?

[Pil / Stone Heads] France Shoujo ~Une Fille Blanche~
Protagonist received inheritance in form of a blond loli and a mansion; historical/psychological horror with constant negative or depressing vibe
Pros: T2's artworks, 48 mostly depressing endings, high production value, excellent usage of era-appropriate writing, multidimensional characters and symbolism
Cons: Extremely big script length 6MB; lots of Chinese and old writing style detail might get lost in translation, long and difficult as translation project, low EGS median score (70), high polarization potential, no detailed English review yet
Others: total ero script is bigger than Nexton's ONE whole script combined (source is Asceai)
http://amaterasu.is.moelicious.be/forums/index.php?topic=72.msg1660#msg1660

[Regista] I/O
Multiple point-of-view metropolis cyberpunk
Pros: staff lineup (Romeo Tanaka/Nakazawa Takumi/Onoken), unofficial part of Infinity series
Cons: deemed as not exceptional enough compared to E17 and R11, EGS median score (75), no detailed English review yet
Others:
http://amaterasu.is.moelicious.be/forums/index.php?topic=72.msg1885#msg1885

[Innocent Grey] Kara no Shoujo
Detective/Slice of life/gore/romance/murder mystery
Pros: advanced detective gameplay mechanism, excellent music by MANYO/LittleWing (Aoishiro level), art by Cartagra's artist
Cons: EGS median score (76)
Others: gore, high body count/character deaths
http://accany.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/%E6%AE%BB%E3%83%8E%E5%B0%91%E5%A5%B3-review

[Age] Kimi ga Nozomu Eien
Drama/tragedy/romance
Pros: top EGS median score (90)
Cons: extreme script length, no detailed English review yet
Others: extensive use of moemoe stereotype characters
http://amaterasu.is.moelicious.be/forums/index.php?topic=72.msg1931#msg1931

11eyes is among my favorite VNs.

Well everything depends on personal tastes.

[Age] MuvLuv Alternative
Sci-fi/action/military/mecha, protagonist returning back in time to fix everything
Pros: exceptional directing and production value, having legendary status at English VN community, top EGS median score (96)
Cons: combined (or even filtered) EX/UL/ALT script size will put heavy burden on tl team
Others:
http://amaterasu.is.moelicious.be/forums/index.php?topic=72.msg1672#msg1672
http://yandere.gray7.com/?p=620
http://www.neechin.net/article/43/muv-luv-alternative-spoilerfree

[Akatsuki Works] Rui wa Tomo wo Yobu
Occult genre. Cursed boy and girls forming a pact to support each other
Pros: trap protagonist, great character chemistry
Cons: no detailed English review yet, EGS median score (82)
Others: Script 2.27MB

[Le.Chocolat & Flying Shine] Swan Song
Disaster-thriller/human drama
Pros: writer - Setoguchi Renya (Kira Kira, Carnival), kr2 engine, high EGS median score (86)
Cons:
Others: Script 1.16MB
http://yandere.gray7.com/?p=331

>>3760724
So Baldr's fullvoiced means also the protagonist is voiced? Usually fully voiced just means everyone except the protagonist is voiced.

Not that it matters much. Although I'd prefer if protagonists always had voice acting too. It's way too rare and usually only female protagonists are voiced. Do they have some serious lack of male voice actors in the eroge industry or what?

So Inganock is still not released? Does anyone know how much longer we'll have to wait?

>>3760794
week

>>3760790
Protagonist is voiced (in Baldr Sky), and yeah, there's a lack of skilled male voice actors, so the good ones are expensive. This is why so many male protagonists are played by girls.

The other reason is that there's no expectation that the male protagonist of an eroge will be voiced, and because the protagonist usually has the most lines in any eroge (except when there's only one heroine) it would be a fairly significant expense to voice a protagonist when it probably won't sell any more copies.

>>3760790
1) The protagonist has most dialogue usually, meaning it costs the most to voice
2) A lot of people prefer unvoiced protagonists anyway

>>3760807
Really? Why?

>>3760790
Japanese have a thing for silent voiceless protagonist, just like those faceless, generic brown/black hair average built stereotype.

Something that break this norm is supposed to be fresh but for me they don't really matter at all, unless if the protag's personality and circumstances are as interesting (Muramasa, Ruitomo, Kara no Shoujo).

>>3760810
Judging by some of the voices, no.
Usually, no voices helps with the immersion since you usually go with his viewpoint.
But he does have the most dialogue usually, it would be costly too.

>>3760814
You know, despite how faceless the h-game protagonists are, many of them have pretty distinct personalities. I'm thinking of Wanko especially, since he was an ex-prostitute.

In many RPGs, the main hero doesn't seem to talk. The official explanation for this is that the main character is the player, and dialogue would either interfere with the player's train of thought or knock them out of the viewpoint of that character. Some characters might be like this when under the players control, but perfectly normal and talking characters as NPCs, or even just when they aren't the leader of the group.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeroicMime

>>3760832
Yeah but his attitude is bullshit "I have experienced such and such life and I know more about life THAN YOU."

>>3760810
>>3760812
Yeah, I didn't think of the cost factor.

I just find it easier to get into the story if the protagonist is voiced, especially since Japanese voice actors are generally very good.