/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>37362149
Why do people keep making these threads? If you're an outsider you either join the human village and assimilate, ask Reimu to take you home, or try and join up with your favorite other 2hu and hope they'll take you under their wing. Gensokyo really isn't some super edgy grimdark place. You can negotiate with the vast majority of touhous, and for Rumia just don't be a fucking idiot.

>>37362149
Yeah, it's not that happy go lucky fantasy paradise people make it out to be. If I had some kind of way to defend myself it would be better but as normal humans most of us would be fucked the moment we set foot in Gensokyo.

And even with a way to defend myself/stand up against threats, living there still could never be as comfortable as living in the Outside World.

>>37362149
I'd become the leader of the human village and wage war on the youkai and other /jp/ies. Only I'm allowed in Gensokyo and if I catch any of you losers in my line of sight I'll spin your jaw and kick your ads back to the outside world.

>>37362202
Its called "I am secondary who read zounose doujin for a first time" post traumatic disorder.

>>37362149
Most people here would go insane from internet withdrawal even in their best case scenarios.

>>37362149
Nothing stops you from learning actual magic like some of the other very formidable humans there I figure, so I'd go read up on the books or get one of the strong ones to teach me in exchange for helping out.

>>37362359
Pretty sure its not just as simple as learning it, unless you are youkai or have some sort of aptitude for it. Marisa uses tools for her magic so its more like using magical artifacts rather than waving your hands to make fireball appear.

>>37362234
Fuck you, Zounose is king and unlike the Cutesokyo phonies he actually gets the lore and mythology right.

>>37362202
You can only ask for those things if you make it to those places/people. Rumia isn’t the only human eating youkia. Wind up in the wrong place and you might be dead before Reimu or anyone else notices you were even there. This is not to mention stuff like the scarlet sisters being provided with humans to eat per the “please stop destroying Gensokyo” treaty they have. There’s lots of grimdark stuff in Touhou but ZUN doesn’t depict it in the games.

You've broken through the "objectification and deviation(?) of Touhou characters" yet you're still positing your statement from an entirely personal perspective? I know how people usually treat these settings but asking whether it would be enjoyable or not to live there not only gets you a wide variety of answers that can easily lead to shitflinging but often isn't even productive if people forget that the setting leaning one way or the other is purposeful (whether that's aesthetic or has a "message" behind it).

>>37362706
>scarlet sisters being provided with humans to eat per the “please stop destroying Gensokyo” treaty they have
it's okay because these humans are fat ugly lolicons and nobody would miss them

>>37362706
Rumia doesn't even actually hunt people and Remilia never actually killed anyone even when she was in the outside world freely rampaging and spilling blood everywhere.

>>37362706
How many youkai actually eat humans? How many youkai even NEED to eat humans? The fear of being eaten seems to be more beneficial for youkai than actually eating them, that part just seems to be a formality that rarely if ever happens. Hong Meiling for examples claims she could eat people, but every bit of canon information shows that she's pretty friendly to humans and exceptionally forgiving.

I'm certain that, presuming you act in good faith and aren't an idiot, you could safely have a full conversation with any named touhou youkai and not be killed on the spot.

>>37362202
Its not like you wouldn't have value either, your knowledge of the outside world would prove extremely valuable to people in Gensokyo. Not to mention the religious groups who are likely to let you join, so its not like you won't have a place.

>>37362885
>I'm certain that, presuming you act in good faith and aren't an idiot, you could safely have a full conversation with any named touhou youkai and not be killed on the spot.
That's a bit of an exaggeration. Especially early on in windows timeline, most of the early unrelated stage bosses were described as too stupid to hold an actual adult conversation with. They might not be mindless maneaters but they are fickle children regardless of how big the breasts fanartists draw on them are. There's a fair chance even some fairies could lead you into a lake to drown you, run away if you approached them, not listen or understand when you cornered and lectured them, and try to lead you into the lake again afterwards. Even certain higher up characters like Youmu are too childlike to really talk at length with.

>>37362888
Unless you make your usefulness apparent fast you might just end up dead, i mean kappa's probably could use person who can help with "artifacts" from outside world but unless you get to chance to prove that its kinda tough break, also good to note that electricity is not common in there so it can be quite hard to demonstrate how electric device work or what it exactly does.

>>37362149
What many here don't realise is that almost everyone in Gensokyo is a hick/redneck.
Some are straight up hillbillies.

>>37362963
Kappas are allies to humans, they'd never hurt them, you humans should trust us more.

>>37362975
I never said that kappa's would do something but getting to where they live could be fatal, they probably won't welcome free loader either.

>>37362436
Yeah but why can't you do the same? It can't be something that takes decades to master cause far as we know Marisa is a normal human without any age modifying features. Then again that raises the question of why no one else in the human village does it to protect themselves.

>>37362202
I am pretty sure that Reimu doesn't have the time or even the responsibility to take care of some random guy. From the dialogue with Rumia it seems like she is flat out allowed to eat some people that suit a certain criteria cause that's part of the balance of Gensokyo apparently.
But in the end I feel like such cases are relatively rare and isolated. Maybe less than a dozen people every year or something like that. It doesn't seem like the population of the human village is particularly high, and if scores of people were being killed every month they would definitely not be able to live in such apparent harmony.

>>37363284
>I am pretty sure that Reimu doesn't have the time or even the responsibility to take care of some random guy
I don't remember where but I'm certain in one of the books the exact opposite was stated. It is her job to take people who were spirited into gensokyo home if they want, and it's simple for her.

>>37363316
Huh. That sounds interesting. Is she able to go outside herself then? Or send someone else out to do something and have them return later?

In the human world the weak are enslaved, in the fantasy world the weak are killed. Personally I prefer the honesty of the latter.

>>37363369
What if you have to wageslave in gensokyo too
And you don't even have all the provisions of the modern world for escapism and comfrot

>>37363284
>Yeah but why can't you do the same? It can't be something that takes decades to master cause far as we know Marisa is a normal human without any age modifying features. Then again that raises the question of why no one else in the human village does it to protect themselves.

Wasn't she apprentice of Mima who is probably thousands years of old and master of magic no doubt that alone gives her edge over regular human, and i guess i should rephrase myself by saying marisa uses tools for her strong magic.
I mean if we take Yuuka for example who refers master spark as dual spark and it is believed that marisa stole that technique from Yuuka. Well Yuuka is able to do it without help of hakkero or tool (unless her umbrella is considered tool or magical artifact) and Marisa needs hakkero to do it, so we can assume that she have aptitude for magic but she is still some what limited when it comes to really strong spells and needs tools for it, and that alone when she's been apprentice of master magician in her childhood

And i really doubt Mima would been even intrested of taking her as apprentice unless she had some sort of aptitude and
We don't see random human villagers as mages either so its most likely not common to one become magician, even though possible.

I also recall doujinshi regarding this where Marisa was believed to not have any aptitude for magic at all or something along those lines, can't recall name and its possible that my memory is mixing things a bit and it was completly different.

>>37363466
I'll have to trust you on this since I'm not so well read on the lore. In that case yeah, the only option you might have is to join the villagers.

Yukari led an actual invasion to the moon where a ton of youkai were slaughtered. The Scarlet Sisters fought Gensokyo to a standstill and nearly destroyed it. This place is so insanely violent they had to invent spell cards to just make sure everyone doesn't kill eachother or destroy reality. Even the manga, which are generally content to just show cute girls doing cute things, has Reimu fucking execute some youkai who don't follow the rules. The village humans are safe from being eaten but the random people who can either just get unlucky and breach the barrier somehow (lets be honest its probably Yukari) or who are explicitly kidnapped by Yukari because "they won't be missed" aren't protected by that rule, at least not without making it to the village or someone who will protect them / send them back.

>>37363345
The shrine is literally the in/out gate and exists on both sides. It's trivial for her to go out if she wanted, but I don't know if she does or why she does not. Technically since it should be her job to maintain the barrier and not Yukari's, Reimu could probably go out from any part of Gensokyo.

>>37363284
>From the dialogue with Rumia it seems like she is flat out allowed to eat some people that suit a certain criteria cause that's part of the balance of Gensokyo apparently.
Reimu just doesn't care if Rumia eats some random creeper at night, and she'd probably attack and kill them herself anyway.

>>37363451
>What if you have to wageslave in gensokyo too
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Youkai
Honestly, from this it seems like Gensokyo is more of an actual farm than a human farm since the threat of eating humans is mostly if they don't give them other food

>>37362202
What

No, most likely you die. Most outsiders die, living is luck-based

>>37362202
>>37362234
Oh the fucking irony

Most outsiders transport in at Muenzuka, one of the most dangerous places in Gensokyo. In fact, that's why it's called that: it's a mound of nameless dead bodies of outsiders, regularly being cremated.

There's also this page.

These are all facts, this is some embarrassing shit--pretending that death in Gensokyo is fanon.

>>37362149
You nut to jeto's sfw 4komas?

>>37362885
herpderdedurr

I'd survive

>>37365059
I would thrive.

>>37363284
>Yeah but why can't you do the same?
You genuinely require luck and privilege. Let's examine every named human character in Gensokyo:

>Reimu
Spiritually gifted and overall blessed. An absurdly powerful human without trying.
>Marisa
Born from a privileged family. Given an extraordinary gift from a half-youkai. May have been taught magic by an extremely powerful magician youkai. No longer needs her tools as a crutch, but did require them at first to succeed.
>Sakuya
Extremely powerful natural ability. May not actually be human.
>Sanae
A miracle worker and half-god.
>Youmu
A half phantom. Very powerful.
>Akyuu
Her power has no use in the greater realms of Gensokyo, and so she never leaves the village.
>Kosuzu
Same.

So your best bet is the Marisa pathway: "be extremely lucky and have powerful friends as soon as or very soon after entering Gensokyo"

>>37363316
>>37363345
>>37364570
This is misleading info about Reimu.

While it is her job to assist people back through the barrier, that is only if they make it to her shrine. If you don't make it, she doesn't care. She's not a superhero, and your death will mean nothing to her.
Source would be Dolls in Pseudo Paradise, and how other than that Mary Sue Sumireko we never see her bothering to scout Gensokyo and save humans.

>>37365108
Probably best bet to become friends with marisa so she potentially could give headsup to become magician, even though it would be long road to catch up

>>37365098
We are not the same

>>37363466
So was there actually doujin where marisa was still going through ropes and she was considered talentless magic wise?
this bothers me now.

I summon true lore and doujin masters to me, please tell me how things are, since i am not so sure about myself.

Also with potentially my not so lore friendly post >>37363466

>>37365108
Despite being a werehakutaku, Keine manages to hold up well on her own while on human form.

This is so sad, man.

>>37365223
And what does she have to gain from teaching magic to some smelly nerd she just met?

Why not work for Rinnosuke?

>>37365132
Using dolls of pseudo paradise as the basis seems strange when it's both old and questionably canon considering ZUN rewrote it. And besides no one said Reimu actively seeks out people to rescue. That said, if you're heading to her shrine, just tell any youkai that approaches you're going to see Reimu. Reimu wouldn't take kindly to youkai attacking people trying to visit her shrine and they know that.

>>37367948
I don't think he's looking for employees at the moment.

Will Rumia at least let me pat her on the head before she eats me

>>37368873
I don't think he would turn down a guy who knows how to actually use the junk he's hoarding.

>>37364973
>>37365027
I'm sure it would be totally fine to get torn to literal shreds by cute youkai girls and not at all something you'd regret or have second thoughts about once it is too late to escape. Haha.

>>37370622
Sumireko already does that, and main reason he allows her to is so she can be wrangled by pretending to play adult.

Reminder that Reimu has literally ended sentient/sapient life which makes her a murderer. She did so with no qualms to enforce unspoken, unpromulgated "rules" that keep humans emotional cattle for old monster girls.

I would agree to go to Gensokyou, if I'd get an ability or power, so that I could defend myself. Everything else can be solved but being a fodder is something that would take years to overcome.

What would an outside human that makes it to the village even do? "Welp, looks like I'm a homeless beggar in feudal Japan now." Does Gensokyo have a jobs program?

>>37372945
Especially if a Tourist somehow lands there. The Villagers will probably think you're a Youkai if you don't look Asian and throw you out into the dark scary world

>>37372964
>All the Youkai stay far away from you too because they are fucking terrified of white/black people

>>37365027
too late, old hag.
those girls work for keeners now.

>>37372917
>>37372945
If you would actually end up in Gensokyo somehow it means you can actually become a magician or even a youkai if you try hard enough, which sounds like a great plan.

Major factions to consider joining:
>Hakurei shrine
Run by an evil youkai and her violent human slave. Nobody there speaks English. A suicidal choice.
>Eientei
Evil youkai who in any case will not allow you to join.
>Tengu society, Human village
Not actually evil, but will never accept you as one of them. At best you will live a life of wageslaving at the bottom of their hierarchy.
>Kappa society
Enemies of humans. Suicidal choice.
>SDM
High risk, high reward. Ruled by an evil but capricious vampire, who could theoretically turn you into a half-youkai if it amused her to do so. Has the notable advantage that she canonically knows English. You have 90% chance of ending up vampire food, and 10% chance of starting on the road to power.
>Moriya shrine
Not evil. Sanae is familiar with the outside world, and would presumably appreciate having another Outsider around. She probably knows enough English for basic communication. Not a bad choice, but no real possibility of advancement. You will live a boring life of religious preaching. Sanae will not have sex with you.
>Myouren temple.
Home of Mamizou, who has all the advantages of Sanae, but has higher power level and more ambition. A more dangerous choice than the Moriya shrine, but with more potential.

>>37374249
>Sanae will not have sex with you.
Thank God there's another needy virgin at Moriya

>>37374249
Aya would surely be interested in interviewing you, especially if you were an outsider working in latrine pit maintenance.

>>37374249
The Tengu wouldn't even allow you to set foot on thier Mountain. There is no way they'll allow you to live with them.

Also the only people that could potentially understand you are Yukari, Sanae, Keine, Alice, the SDM and Satori.

>>37378509
>Also the only people that could potentially understand you are Yukari, Sanae, Keine, Alice, the SDM and Satori.
Kosuzu can read written English (she reads Remilia's letter in FS). Mamizou likely knows some English, because she's a recent immigrant from the Outside World and therefore well aware of its importance. She's ambitious and appreciates the value of information, so I doubt she would neglect its study. Hatate also seems likely to know some English, as she has a favorable opinion of the Outside World.

>>37378509
Can't you speak japanese to people in Gensokyo, or do they use some old dead dialect that isn't compatible with modern japanese?

>>37378762
If the Japanese they speak is the same we see in the games and print works it is modern Japanese, only Mamizou occasionally throws in some slightly antiquated forms but that's just window dressing, she is completely understandable. Besides, everyone here knows modern and some Classical/Literary Japanese, right?

>>37378762
Most people here can't speak Japanese. They'd fucked
>>37378858
Doesn't Futo also speak weirdly?

>>37362975
Nitori referenced shirikodama during seal arc in Ibarakasen . They can't get those without killing whoever they got that from

>>37367962
A number of youkais dont even know who Reimu is, just look at the first three bosses' reactions in MoF, they desperately tried to chase you out for fear of your safety. If youre lucky enough to bump into a tengu where they just want you to fuck off then fine, but if you bump into a hungry Mystia then I'm sorry

>>37381816
>Most people here can't speak Japanese.
Most /jp/sies at least know how to say phrases like
>ohio minna chans?! whatshy wa anon-san desu
>wakarimasen
>dozo yoshika onagayshymas!!!
>tuskete
And some other extremely useful and iconic phrases just to get acquainted, and it won't take them long to learn more once a 2hu has taken them under their wing.

>>37382335
Curious newfag here but how do you do your reps with 2hu

>>37381816
Yes I momentarily forgot that Futo also has a few antiquated phrases which people often try to translate into "ye olde English" but she is still perfectly comprehensible.

>>37362517
low effort bait
try it on /v/, somebody might bite that there

>>37362993
>>37382080
you two are fucking retards and you dont even get to use poes law as an excuse there.
retards.

>>37362149
How would Yukari feel about a NOVA bomb

>>37378682
Yeah, Kosuzu can read any language as long as it’s not reversed

>>37385677
Kosuzu would rather take care of giant slugs than a foreigner outsider!

>>37382152
>but if you bump into a hungry Mystia then I'm sorry
You could literally say "I'm not a human" to Mystia and she would believe you. See IN. She seems more concerned with attacking and confusing humans than eating them anyway.

>>37372945
>"Welp, looks like I'm a homeless beggar in feudal Japan now."
Gensokyo was sealed in almost 1900. It's Meiji period.

>>37364973
Is it the same artist who did AoCF portraits?

>>37374249
>She probably knows enough English for basic communication.
No thanks, don't want to hear Sanae's engrish.

>>37364973
>pretending that death in Gensokyo is fanon
Thats not even the one thing those so called canonfag tried to shove under the carpet and mask it as fanon shit. The other day I got into an argument with some Meiling fans when I said Meiling is the weakest SDM resident and claimed whatever I said as fanon stuff when I quote everything from canon works.

>>37389003
more like she's more occupied with getting people to stop eating birdlike creatures.

>>37394862
Brids eat Birds,why can't I do the same ?

The lowkey horror aspect is one of the best parts about the setting and denialfags are far more obnoxious than edgefags when it comes to pushing some fanon interpretation as canon.

I like the cute characters and SOL elements but that doesnt preclude liking the cool monster lore stuff as well.

A snake youkai canonically fucking ate a guy and all he got was a slap on the wrist, the tanuki smashed a guy’s head in with a rock cause they thought he was mean, Yukari has stated that youkai “get their fill” from people warped in from the outside world. All canon. Denialfags ignore this because they’re hypocritical faggots.

>>37362202
Don't get me wrong but isn't it canon that the Sages of Gensoyko made a deal with the vampires that the humans in the village are not to be harmed and in exchange the youkai will offer the vampires humans from the outside world?

>>37395445
I got a feeling these people are larping when they start saying shit like 'vampires being among the most busted youkai in Gensokyo' as a fanon thing.

>>37396492
It's in PMISS in reference to Remilia rampaging before EoSD when she first showed up. The same Remilia who BTW was said never to actually kill humans because she's too light of a eater to drain enough blood from them.

>>37373381

Gensokyo is full of white people... except they're rarely people.

Fairies, Vampires, Poltergeists, Blobs of Man Eating Darkness, Magicians, Demons and Western Gods...

The villages might toss you out but I assume the Youkai will figure you out pretty fast since their standard greeting looks like the opening scene from Saving Private Ryan with more primary colors.

>>37398235
Do you think some native youkai would want to keep you as a prize? A rare white human, what a perfect pet to keep, that sure would be a terrible fate huh?

>>37398030
We dont know it was Remilia, it could’ve been Flan. A reference to the mansion is pretty explicit though, so it was probably one of those two. At least one, rather.

>>37398030

From PMISS page on Vampires.

>Their main diet consists of the blood of humans. Those whose blood has been sucked by one will neither die nor become a ghost. They will turn into a zombie for a while before evaporating under the sunlight.

>The details of this contract are that the youkai will offer them humans from which to feed (*3); in return, the vampires will not attack humans living in Gensokyo.

>3: It is said these are humans from the outside world or those whose deaths are of no consequence (suicidal, etc.).

Not looking too good here.

>>37398277

Perhaps as a delicacy. You'll be a big hit at the next Youkai Banquet.

>>37398297
That seems like the opposite of evil is Yukari actively goes out to only get suicidal people. I mean, sure, you could argue about things like sanctity of the corpse, or of Yukari not offering some random stranger a pep talk to not kill themselves, but really, if they're gonna die, what's the harm in donating their body to a good cause?

>>37398323

So we went from she doesn't kill to don't worry... they won't be missed. ; )

>>37398342
Is it really killing if you jump off of a cliff, and at the last second Yukari whisks you away so you land in Sakuya's sashimi shop? I mean you still kinda died by your own hands there.

>>37395445
>A snake youkai canonically fucking ate a guy and all he got was a slap on the wrist
He ate a person in the outside world. Or it was a rumor of a snake eating a person that created the youkai. The worst thing he did on screen was dine and dash, plus it was Mamizou who caught him, not Reimu.
I don’t remember the rock one, care to elaborate?

>>37398297
>She is a light eater. In other words, she can drink only a little blood at a time and must leave the rest behind, so the humans off of whom she feeds become a bit anemic, but usually stay alive. Due to that fact, she always fails to increase the number of her kind.
From her profile and not Akyuu's book of exaggerations. It also implies people turn to vampires and not zombies were she able to kill them. It's doubtful even Sakuya kills people and stores their blood as they'd have to do something to the bodies after, but if the person is going to kill themselves anyway they probably get their blood given to the mansion before their bodies are disposed of.

>>37398323
Rin is probably one of the worst actual canon Touhous since she does steal and eat corpses and or throws them into hell. It's not even a maybe or a rumor, nor something that happened in the past.

Also I want to point out this
>or those whose deaths are of no consequence (suicidal, etc.).
That "or" means it's different from outside world people, since there are those who insist Youkai absolutely never eat residents who live in Gensokyo. It's suicidal human villagers, not suicidal outside worlders.

>>37398342
Not that anon, but for those of us who arent in denial about youkai eating people, it went from Yukari killing indiscriminately to killing selectively.

Or so it says in the youkai propaganda book. Can’t trust anything in there.

>>37398406
>That "or" means it's different from outside world people, since there are those who insist Youkai absolutely never eat residents who live in Gensokyo. It's suicidal human villagers, not suicidal outside worlders.
I think you may be reading into a translation too much
What’s the original Japanese text? Touhou has never had the best translations so it’s a bit naive to put absolute faith in an English subtlety.

>>37398406
>That "or" means it's different from outside world people, since there are those who insist Youkai absolutely never eat residents who live in Gensokyo. It's suicidal human villagers, not suicidal outside worlders.
I honestly doubt Yukari would bother to do the same if she could. It's not like there's a shortage of suicidal people (or people who wouldn't be missed) in the outside world. If Yukari decided to just spirit away people willy-nilly to kill she might end up picking the wrong person, like a prime minister's son, and attracting undue attention. Isn't it canon that (at least to some degree) governments are aware of youkai, like the USA via NASA?

>>37398502
>"These filthy humans are exploiting the power of the moon and trying to build a base here. We've been urging them co-exist peacefully with us, but they never listen. We're up against a wall.

>"We've decided to declare a final war against them. The tide of war is currently slightly in their favour... Their modern weaponry is far better than we expected. But don't worry, we have the wisdom and pride of our millennia of history... We will never lose.

They're aware of Lunarians but I doubt Gensokyo is common knowledge.

>>37398402
>I don’t remember the rock one, care to elaborate?
Not that guy, but when Mamizou tried to convince Akyuu to write good things about Tanuki in her books, one of them is about a story where Tanukis helped an abused slave. In her flashback, the slave killed his master, but a silhouette of Mamizou holding a rock was shown in the flashback behind the slave, so its indicated Tanukis does have something to do with the killing.

>>37398641
While I'm sure Gensokyo itself wouldn't be common knowledge, the existence of youkai might be. Hence why not attracting undue attention is in Yukari's best interests. The worst thing that could happen is if the Japanese government had a scientific explanation for the spiriting away phenomenon

>>37398662
You know, I can’t really get mad at the tanuki for that one
I do remember that chapter now, thanks.
Tanuki always seemed to be the friendlier youkai and are at least amiable

>>37398721
Hi mamizou

>>37398402
He ate a person in the outside world and became a youkai, then ate a single person from the village didnt he? Attacking a villager is what I remember the whole ordeal being about, but it’s been a while since I read it so I might be wrong.

Another anon explained the rock thing so I wont bother with that one.

>>37398406
Flandre gets blood brought to her in cups so they dont need to bite a person to sustain themselves.

>>37398784
No the ordeal was him dine and dashing and disappearing. A leaf was found at one of his escape locations and Reimu became suspicious of the tanuki. Not wanting the blame to fall on us, Mamizou investigated the cases
(Chapter 22-23 FS)
You may be thinking of the salt merchant who executed his horse and was consumed by the spirit/youkai of that horse, who Reimu then exterminated as there was no human left

>>37398721
Who the hell are you trying to fool Tanuki

>>37362149

Hey man. Real life honestly sucks. Even if Gensokyo is a nightmarish hellhole for outsiders like us, its definitely worth visiting even if it means you might die.

>>37398714
Seihou gives a good idea of what would happen if the Outside World found out about Gensokyo, especially if humanity was desperate for resources.
You see a massive amount of aircraft which seem to be invading Gensokyo. That would be devastating towards its inhabitants.

>>37399741
>especially if humanity was desperate for resources.
What fucking resources are they going to find in Gensokyou? It's at best as big as a Province and at Worst as big as a Valley. Plus, it's located in Japan, you're not going to find any useful resources there.

The Moon is a way better destination for an Invasion that has these kind of intentions and goals.

>>37362149
>I realized how absolutely terrifying it would be for the 2hus living in Gensokyo
fixed, none of them are going to win against my COCK!

>>37400122
Rinnosuke will. Overwhelmingly.

I wonder how big the Population of the Human Village is. Considering how isolated they are, it wouldn't surprise me if they have an Inbreeding Problem.

I wonder how Reimu is going to fix that Incident.

>>37362202
>negotiate
Only if you can speak Japanese, or get to the SDM and make a deal.

>>37399285
>sucks
Is it? Is it really, notwithstanding specific problems? Or is it just your naive and ignorant perspective?

>>37404158
Gensokyo hasn't been around for that many generations, only around 7.
At the absolute bare minimum I'd say there's 100 villagers but the actual number is likely somewhere between 500-1000 (likely the lower end).
I think that should be enough, especially with the occasional outsider.
Worst comes to worst Yukari will just gap some of the people in this thread and make it our job to expand the gene pool

>>37404617
Yukari, I will humbly accept this sacred duty.

>>37404158
Considering all the specialized jobs it can support, at least 10000. The youkai probably call it a "village" only because they see humans as inferior.

>>37406811
Don't do it, you'll be stuck impregnating villagers and boring humanhus like Akyuu and Sekibanki.

>>37406880
>The youkai probably call it a "village" only because they see humans as inferior.
I've been thinking about this but how can they even pretend to be superior to humans? They are literally born from Humanities Delusions.

Even those things that they could use to claim superiority, like the fact that they are stronger, faster, smarter and are the Predators in their relationship with Humanity become completely invalid when one just remember that Gensokyou is a thing.

>>37362202
it is implied that all sort of Youkai appear in Gensokyo not only our lovely girls, a more traditional youkai could still be lurking while you are having fun jumping in the flowers.
Also Akyuu says most outsiders get eaten because they are idiotic enough not to fight or run away when they meet a youkai

>>37407085
I don't think they care about the logic of it. Arrogance is youkai nature.

>>37362885
Akyuu is right, outsiders are morons

>>37407097
>Also Akyuu says most outsiders get eaten because they are idiotic enough not to fight or run away when they meet a youkai
To be fair, they are in a pretty weird and confusing situation. Also, most Outsider probably think they found a way back to civilization when they meet a Youkai (most of the do look like humans)

>>37362885
>How many youkai actually eat humans? How many youkai even NEED to eat humans?
they love human meat. It's a delicacy for them.
Even if you find a youkai that's kinda enough to let you talk it won't let the chance to have a decent human meal unless you give him something else

Can't be worse than Chicago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOuyEZMKIic

>>37407147
from some of the posts here i think some people are dumb and suicidal enough to see youkai and try to hug them

>>37407097
Things like Big Toad and the snake mentioned earlier are both out there. I like the pretty girls but I wouldnt mind if we got more than a small peak of the monsters that look like monsters. I’m sure some people would hate it though, and it probably wouldnt be very touhou-y to do so.

>>37407085
How can humans see themselves as higher lifeforms than pigs, chickens, fruit, nuts etc when humans rely on them to live?

>>37407275
If you are cute enough they won't eat you (right away) it's like how calves cute and people like to cuddle and pet them, but grown up cows are not quite as cute and more appealing as food.

>>37407332
Imagine being kept like veil in a dark cell and your only contact is the youkai girl who comes to feed you in order to make you taste perfect when she inevitably slaughters and eats you.

>>37407332
well Akyuu does says that they don't always eat outsiders right away. Sometimes they have their fun with them and then they eat them.
in the end of the day, Youkai are not to be trusted.

>>37407380
Wow that would for sure be worse than my life right now... haha.

>>37407313
>How can humans see themselves as higher lifeforms than pigs, chickens, fruit, nuts etc when humans rely on them to live?
By not being forced into a Nature Reserve by said pigs, pigs, chickens, fruit, nuts etc.

Plus Human don't exist because some pigs got drunk and thought they saw some hairless apes running around in the woods.

>>37407275
Can you balem them? I would hug Rumia if I didnt know she would eat me

>>37362149
There's nothing more absolutely terrifying than being a human living in this retarded fake reality, over and over again, with the only hope of escaping being joining a collective consciousness even more retarded

I’m going to chip in my two cents here.

I don’t think Gensokyo is nearly as dangerous as you lads believe. You won't die the minute you arrive there, Rumia isn’t going to suddenly devour your head the minute she sees you. I’d wager you’d probably (depending on where you are) last half hour to an hour before a Youkai gets you and tortures, mutilates, or otherwise kills you.

As >>37407147 stated, your average outsider probably wouldn’t know where they are let alone that the cute child with the red ribbon and black dress is a man-eating Youkai and thus wouldn’t run from the Youkai or try to fight it (and inevitably die anyways since trying to fight a Youkai as a normal human without the resources to do so is a suicide mission unless your incredibly lucky)

However someone more knowledgable like say somebody who actually plays 2hu or at least has some modicum of knowledge about the lore would probably be smart enough to run away and find the nearest settlement (human village, Hakurei shrine, moriya shrine, etc). Somebody like Rumia isn’t gonna move at the speed of light, you’ll probably be fine so long as you are aware of your surroundings and are running fast enough.

>>37407558
>and thus wouldn’t run from the Youkai or try to fight it (and inevitably die anyways since trying to fight a Youkai as a normal human without the resources to do so is a suicide mission unless your incredibly lucky
Trickery, wits, and cunning has always been the way to defeat Youkai as a human. You probably aren't going to outwit Yukari, but she isn't going to be the kind of youkai you should be worried about. Youkai like Rumia, or any of the tengu, would be easy to trick. Just have a sharp mind.

>>37407574
>Trickery, wits, and cunning has always been the way to defeat Youkai as a human. You probably aren't going to outwit Yukari, but she isn't going to be the kind of youkai you should be worried about. Youkai like Rumia, or any of the tengu, would be easy to trick. Just have a sharp mind.

I suppose in my autistic rambling I kinda forgot about that. Yeah you could probably trick somebody like Rumia so long as your smart enough and the materials nearby prove to be advantageous to the situation. Like say you had food on you, in that scenario distracting Aya with some false story (like say you saw the Hakurei shrine maiden flirting with somebody in the human village) could work out quite nicely provided your story sounds reasonable or believable enough.

>>37407621
Wait oops I forgot to delete apart of this. The food thing. I was gonna mention Rumia again before realizing I’ve used her too much as an example so using somebody else like Aya would be better.

Though distracting Rumia with food is very much a viable tactic. As is trying to distract Cirno (who's probably harmless enough due to her stupidity) with some a question she probably wouldn’t be able to answer like “how much wood could a woodchuck chuck?”

>>37407621
Aya wouldn't really kill you anyway, right? She would be losing a subscriber, once I have money that is ;_;

>>37407313
>How can humans see themselves as higher lifeforms than pigs, chickens, fruit, nuts etc when humans rely on them to live?
Who eats who?

>>37407662
She's just used as an example since Tengu are the archetypal youkai for "super easy to trick and fool".

>>37407635
Cirno doesn't speak English. A better plan would be convincing her you are a youkai by doing that stupid "pulling off you thumb" trick where you put one thumb next to the other and hide the join with your fingers. If you're a good actor she'd fall for it.
>>37407662
Aya is one of the few youkai who would actually want information about the Outside World (and can't just collect it herself). It's possible she knows some English.

>>37407621
>Yeah you could probably trick somebody like Rumia
Someone post the comic

>>37407678
I thought fairies could speak minimal English?

>>37407668
Honestly, I would read Aya's garbage in all seriousness. The Bunbunmaru is Gensokyous equivalent of shitposting. I'd have a good laugh and will roughly know what going on ( via Meta knowledge or simple comen sense one could filter out Aya's nonsense and get a bit of an update on the situation in Gensokyo)

Plus I get to meet/see Aya everyday. I can't lose in this kind of situation.

>>37407693
Source? I haven't read all the manga, so maybe it's in one of them.

>>37407693
Cirno named her spell card パーフェクトフリーズ, which indicates some understanding.

>>37407706
I think it’s in one of the fairy manga
Clownpiece can speak it as well iirc

>>37407558
from what i read in Perfect Memento in Strict Sense most youkai encounters can be avoided if you aren't a retard

>>37407678
>where you put one thumb next to the other and hide the join with your fingers.
she is not that stupid

>>37407700
>get to meet/see Aya everyday
Even if it's direct delivery to you, she probably would be moving at tengu speeds when handling that aspect of her work. You'd just see a blur speed by, feel a strong gust of wind, and then notice the paper suddenly near you. The most that would happen if she took an interest in you/wanted to harass a human would be a supernaturally fast groping.
Is that really what you want?

>>37407767
>The most that would happen if she took an interest in you/wanted to harass a human would be a supernaturally fast groping
Oh man that sure would suck haha who would ever want such a fate

>>37407635
>Cirno doesn't speak English
Just ask her questions from perfect math class, then. You know the words, anyway.

>>37407665
And there you have the point I was making.

>>37407558
>Somebody like Rumia isn’t gonna move at the speed of light
They can FLY anon

>>37407662
Most organized youkais dont harm humans, at least not from the village. Like the other anon said, if you stuck there knwinh how 2huverse works, you'll live long enough, but then again those youkais are mostly ancient beings so they probably know how outsiders looks like

>>37407007
But it looks fun? https://nhentai.net/g/326235/

>>37407558
>Rumia isn’t going to suddenly devour your head the minute she sees you
Rumia isn't going to see you anyway. People seem to forget she flies around in a ball of darkness she cant really see out of herself.

>>37408326
But the point falls apart because food animals cannot conquer us no matter what
Gensokyo was made because we were destroying youkai without even trying

>>37409030
>food animals cannot conquer us no matter what
Mad cow disease is a bioweapon. Wake up, sheep.

>>37409030
>>37408326
>>37407665
Imagine the only reason for your existence was the fact that your food hallucinated that you were a real thing.

And despite being superior to your Pray in almost every aspect (depending on the Youkai and Human), they manage to force your Species close to extension without even trying.

I have read Visionary Fairies, Grimoire of Usami, Suzunaan and WaaH, what should I read next?

>>37364111
What about humans who do live in the village but strayed outside the village at night just because? Are there still protected?

>>37411149
The Gumon books.

>>37411149
Inaba

>>37411706
Oh yeah I just finished that yesterday too

So I'm a newfag to 2hu and I've been wondering: if people can get into Gensokyo at random and effectively disappear without a trace as far as our world is concerned if they don't find someone not hostile and make it back, how come governments don't know about it after well over a century? Nevermind random disappearances no one gives two shits about, eventually someone important enough to launch a full-scale investigation is bound to seemingly vanish into nowhere, at which point it's only a matter of time before the glowniggers figure something's up with the area around our world's instance of Hakurei shrine.

>>37411886
The one who arranged those disappearances is very likely Yukari, since as Reimu mentioned, very few people can cross the border between Gensokyo and outside world. And since she is old and wise she would have chose her targets carefully

>>37411886
Is it ever explained if the memories of those people are erased sort of like in shakugan no shana?

>>37362149
I'm pretty sure you can literally shout:
>AAAHH MIKO SAVE MEEE
And Miko will probably open up a hole under your feet to so you can get into her Senkai, her ears are sharp enough to hear you and maybe when she's in a good mood, an outsider like you could entertain her for a bit especially since no outsider should know the name of her current incarnation.
Then when you're in her presence, you don't need to explain jack since her ability allows her to already know pretty much everything you want. This would bypass the communication issue if in this scenario you can't automatically speak Japanese with any 2hu.
After that you could stay and learn radical taoism to become a cool hermit but as far as we know, Miko doesn't really care about teaching her skills to people.
Luckily Miko would rather not work with youkai so the chance of her surrendering you to them is very slim so she'd drop you off at Reimu so you can go home.

>>37414431
Sasuga Miko-sama!!!! Leave it to the Crown Prince to safeguard mankind in their time of utmost need!!!

>>37414431
>Luckily Miko would rather not work with youkai so the chance of her surrendering you to them is very slim so she'd drop you off at Reimu so you can go home.
Would Miko really just let off one of her Taoists easily? Especially giving one to a Shinto shrine

>>37411886
If people can end up dead for years before they find them rotten on their appartment or vanish into a forest and suicide without anyone ever knowing, people can disappear into Gensokyo no problem.

>>37414577
Really depends on what you bring to the table as an outsider because as far as we know, she doesn't seem enthusiastic about teaching just about anyone cool hermit techniques.
But maybe her statesman tendencies might drive her to keep you around as one of her followers.
Now you have shelter and depending on your capability, discipline and willingness, you might be able to learn hermit techniques through observation and training.
If you're really lucky (or unlucky) Seiga might even visit one day and notice you, she's far more willing than Miko to teach you about Taoist intricacies but if you're not careful she might lead you to dangerous situations.
So if everything goes well, you've become a hermit which is great so Gensokyo itself wouldn't be a threat to you anymore.

However, someday you might find yourself getting attacked by kishin chiefs which if you haven't kept up with your training will result in death by snu snu if the kishin are anything like the oni we already know about.

good to see that the spirit of the last shitty "lore" thread lives on here

>>37415864
>So if everything goes well, you've become a hermit which is great so Gensokyo itself wouldn't be a threat to you anymore.

However, someday you might find yourself getting attacked by kishin chiefs which if you haven't kept up with your training will result in death by snu snu if the kishin are anything like the oni we already know about.
You dont have to be a hermit if you worry that much though. Pretty sure even sweeping her place is enough of a reason for her to let you live. But yeah if you wanna get back to outside world theres gonna be some arrangements needed, religion wars are a thing in Gensokyo, so I can't imagine Miko giving you to a rival religion scot free without a reward, considering even Reimu can get scummy like when she demand Ichirin to lend her Unzan

>>37414431
>Miko doesn't really care about teaching her skills to people.
But there is another teacher of taoism who would be happy to take you under her wing!

Why is every thread like
"I want to go to Gensokyo"
"You will die with no powers"
"I will take up Taoism/Buddhism/Shintoism/Magic"
Like aren't you already enough of a Christian to have intense spiritual powers? If not, why do you think you can suddenly devoutly follow some other religion? How are you going to read the ancient tomes Patchouli gives you if you can't read the bible? Some of her stuff is probably ancient kabbalistic spells if she was able to summon Koakuma, who appears to be a mideastern-type demon.

>>37416334
Well, learning those things in the outside world does not appear to give you a variety of supernatural capabilities and immense murder powers

I'll become some hag's sex slave. Doesn't matter that I don't know Japanese or can't into magic. I have my mighty cock.

Aren't Fairies a European thing ? What are they doing in Japan?

>>37417303
Same thing as witches, maids, vampires, nuclear bombs, and werewolves.

>>37416334
I think everyone knows it's not easy to integrate into Gensokyo and be something more than a powerless human but given that someone like Marisa exists who is supposed to be "ordinary" we can assume that a dedicated /jp/sy is capable of atleast getting some form of power.
>Like aren't you already enough of a Christian to have intense spiritual powers?
ZUN handwaves Christianity a lot in the setting and it fundamentally can't coexist with the other religions. It's easier to discuss established canon since it's showcased how magic works, how to become a magician, hermit training etc.
With Christianity you have to assume and speculate a lot which brings the discussion to non-canon stuff which I'd be fine with discussing but would derail the thread.

>>37411149
Inaba as another anon mentioned

>>37411149
The rest of the fairy mangas.

>>37417955
Almost none of them can actually coexist when push comes to shove. All religions are fundamentally at odds, some more or less, if they're not from the same family.

>>37411886
Yukari makes sure nobody important gets into the barrier so nothing will cause commotion

>>37362202
>and for Rumia just don't be a fucking idiot.
I cannot think of a better suicide method.

>>37416334
Does religion really matters? Reimu slacks a lot on her shrine maiden duty and is still a lot more powerful than the other human characters and Sakuya is canonically atheist.

>>37417148
Imagine breeding Yuuka

>>37419759
Sakuya worships Remilia's panties every night

>>37419505
Its not even a good suicide method. Its good if she goes for your neck for and insta death, but if she goes for your guts it'll be a slow painful death. Might as well look for Marisa and jump into her Master Sparks

Getting to the village and living as a beggar until you become fluent in Japanese is step 2. Long and frustrating, but fluency is an eventuality.

Getting Reimu to take me to Kasen so I can learn superpowers is step 3. She’s the only one I can see willing to take a disciple free of charge. Training would be brutal, but presumably survivable and likely enough to turn a person into someone capable of at least rudimentary danmaku and flight.

Step 1 is surviving the night 1 youkai scramble and that’s the toughest thing by far.

>>37416334
If you were an actual priest maybe you could channel God’s power to protect you, but I dont think an average Christian would have the Faith stat necessary to call for miracles. If you have a cross necklace or something MAYBE that would help you against the weaker youkai.

>>37417148
>my mighty cock
based mighty cock bro

>>37418745
Even then, several religions manage to coexist within Gensokyo.

How does Rumia actually eat people anyways
Does she go full unga and tear people in half with her tiny hands or is it more cultured

>>37420778
>average Christian
That's the point I'm making. Why do they think they'd be an above average disciple of Kasen that would actually be able to become a hermit? If they had that kind of dedication they'd already be fine and just making an air cross would be good enough.

>rudimentary danmaku
That's just throwing popcorn at people. Danmaku isn't especially made of anything.

>>37423469
She doesn't. https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Bohemian_Archive_in_Japanese_Red/Rumia
But if she did, I'd imagine it'd just be biting into them, though I like the under skirt sexual harassment meme.

>>37421864
Only within specific conditions.

why the fuck is this thread still up you retards
OP has been btfo 50 posts ago yet you still reply

>>37423802
Because it's fun

>>37427677
/jp/ is not supposed to be fun, go back

What is Watatsuki Sisters relationship with Kaguya? They all are considered Princesses of the Moon. Are they related? Is it simply just a title? What do they think of her?

>>37423802
>OP has been btfo
I only see gensokyofags seething and continuously BTFO by canonchads.

>>37390837
Gensokyofags addicted to fanon are genuinely retarded, and whenever you point out their retardation and canonical inaccuracy they get pissy. No surprises there.

>>37431282
I only have ever read Inaba of Earth/Moon, SSiB and play IN, bit seeing how no one replied, Kaguya just happen to be a friend of Watatsuki's mentor. Also theres a dying Watatsuki thread that mentions about Watatsuki's relationship, so you should try there

>>37438335
>>37438263
You don't belong here

>>37440999
Wow, how rude.

>>37440999
>t. seething gensokyofag
Truth's the truth, and canon is canon. Cry about it.

As a human, can I sex a touhou?

>>37442163
Get out of /jp/

>>37442184
Do Touhous even have vaginas? This is important because canonically we have never seen a 2hu have a vagina in the games or manga

>>37442191
Keep seething jpsie

>>37442243
Some of them definitively do

Numerous posts in these kinds of threads divulge how an anon from the outside would end up surviving in Gensokyo, i especially want to point out the idea that goes something along the lines of:
>Stay in the human village for a certain amount of time to learn japanese
This line in particular makes me wonder: Is it presupposed in these situations that you are spirited away, rather than arriving in Gensokyo by your own plans? Like >>37411916 said it's very difficult to simply arrive there by chance.
Presupposing that you have a reliable way of crossing the barrier, and ignoring the hurdle of linguistic differences between modern and feudal-era Japanese, couldn't you just learn the language before arriving there?
This also extends to the idea of acquiring your own powers/abilities beforehand, and so on.

>>37445681
>acquiring powers/abilities beforehand
How? Where could you possibly gain such things in the Outside World? Sumireko is an exception in an exception, literally one-of-a-kind, so she doesn't count. Those that have brought themselves to Gensokyo are all really-old powerful beings who got powerful before magic fully keeled over on the Outside. Someone of today doing the same seems nigh-impossible.

>>37442243
The humans obviously do. Youmu too probably. No telling what the youkai have though.

>>37445958
Since Half-Youkai exist, either youkai have dicks for raping human women, or vaginas for raping human men

>>37445944
If fortune teller can turn himself into a youkai then so can I.

I will become a troublesome youkai just so Marisa or Reimu will come and blow me away with her spells or whack me in the head with her gohei

>>37445944
>Sumireko is an exception in an exception, literally one-of-a-kind
Except for Sanae, Yumemi, Chiyuri, Maribel, Renko, and youkai who gained power in the outside world before coming to Gensokyo.

>>37445996
For the half youkai that exist, two of them are were-animals that are human most of the time and turn into a beast sometimes and one is literally one half human and one half a phantom. Rinnosuke might be along that lines in that he turns into a monster occasionally or has some other half aspect and there aren't any actual descendants of human-youkai pairs.

>>37440999
Baka

>>37446277
Enjoy Reimu fucking murking you

>>37449032
Mmh, that would be pretty hot.

>>37418880
gotta make myself more useless them!

>>37446750
>Sanae
Was born with a Gods bloodline and the innate power to see gods.
>Yumemei
Motherfucker has a time-traveling spaceship and access to super-science technology, have fun doing the same.
>Chiyuri
Crew member on Yumemi's ship that got dragged into her activities
>Maribel
She was born with her border manipulation powers
>Renko
She only gets into Gensokyo because Maribel brings her around on her adventures.

Everyone here except Yumemi was either born with innate powers that they used to either enter Gensokyo or at least secure an invitation, or was the friend/employee of such a person and tagged along. None of them except Yumemi "gained" their power, it's all innate, and you'd be hardpressed on replicating what Yumemi did. Getting power on the Outside when you weren't born with it is going to be exceeding difficult, even with meta knowledge

reddit.com/r/touhou/comments/r23uc2/what_are_some_of_the_more_darker_aspects_of_the/

Youkai predominantly feed on human emotions, especially fear, and, through the course of the Youkai Expansion Project, the creation of the Hakurei Barrier, and the foundation of the Spellcard Rules, Gensokyo's youkai have been tending towards the aristocratic. Only bottom-barrel trash youkai actually eat humans anymore, and are in turn exterminated by shrine maidens and the Human Village's town watch.
Night 1 after being spirited away is survival horror mode, but Gensokyo is a relatively small plane, and there are several places you can escape to (relative) safety, the Village in particular. If you can make it to pretty much any named character, your chances of survival go up dramatically, and if you're an active practitioner of any religious/occult/esoteric tradition and can manifest any of its disciplines, you can probably leverage that into at least enough magic to escape dangerous encounters until you get to safety.

>>37455556
>Gensokyo is a relatively small plane
Until they stumbled upon Bamboo Forest of the Lost that is

>>37455921
At that point, you pray. Best outcome is you encounter Mokou, who'll escort you safely to the village; worst outcome is you encounter Tewi, who'll dump you safely at the forest's edge after extorting you for all your worldly possessions.

>>37456577
I like Tewi, she is very lucky!

>>37452052
>Motherfucker has a time-traveling spaceship and access to super-science technology, have fun doing the same.
Technology is a result of work.
Not an argument, stop whining.

>>37452052
You can just commit cannibalism and become a youkai.
ESP is one of the things believed in to be learn-able in the outside world so you can duplicate Sumireko anyway. It's not like technology doesn't work either, youkai are in Gensokyo in the first place because of technology. The belief video games and movies have generated in the Desert Eagle is probably enough to make it put down anything in Gensokyo, probably any sort of revolver handgun as well. Though Reisen's guns are just tech and not faith weapons. Inferior tech to earth's too if the old writing about the war back from IN still counts.

Then there's shit like crystals and other psuedoscience that would actually work in Gensokyo. Pure martial arts training works as well, it's all Youmu and Meiling have. Hell, you could probably rock hard enough to fight with. What constitutes an ability in Gensokyo is pretty vague and it seems like most people would have some sort of skill they could master and turn into a fighting style. Outside of danmaku which would only require you to be able to make interesting patterns based on whatever danmaku you used, danmaku not necessarily being magical, martial arts and weapon training would be enough for self defense.
>but instant regenerating youkai!
Fairies and Mokou are literally immortal and can still be discouraged if you damage them enough. Youkai, who are ageless but still mortal, would be all the more.

>>37457610
wrong

>>37457610
>losing your humanity instead of training and learning how to fight
Pitiful fool.

>>37457610
>Inferior tech to earth's
But lunar capital has superior tech to outside world, so much so that they can make small paper fans capable of destroying areas as big as the bamboo forest of the lost down to the last atom. Nothing the outside world can make today or is expected to make for decades to come can compare to that.

>>37457820
>for decades
ayy lmao
That's not how it works.

>>37455921
>>37456577
What's even in there besides rabbits, fairies, Mokou, and Kagerou? It doesn't seem an especially dangerous place, unlike say, the forest of magic where you'd die before even meeting Marisa or Alice just from all the hallucinogenic poison spores in the air. Speaking of poison, poison seems to be one of the things universally effective against youkai, in case any one wants to just go around gassing all the youkai they meet.

>>37457820
We can just nuke the moon down to the last atom from earth. They'd have to actually travel to the forest to 'purify' it.

>>37449032
Only native humans are not allowed to become Youkai since they provide psychic energy for the rest of the monsters. Outsiders becoming Youkai is perfectly fine, otherwise Reimu would be trying to assassinate Remilia instead of having banquets with her.

I can't remember the last time I saw a thread discussing the lore of touhou that was good. They've always been filled with secondaries regurgitating things they saw in a fanwork once or just making stuff up.

>>37457970
>We can just nuke the moon down to the last atom from earth.
Which would only really damage its surface, and it's unknown if nukes would be able to get through the barrier surrounding the Lunar Capital. And considering that they can make such a small yet destructive implement, I don't see why you would assume missile technology is something only the humans have. Besides those fans and the dinky WWII looking guns the lunar rabbits had in SSiB, the weapons technology of the Lunarians is completely unknown.

>>37458004
wasn't Remilia already a vamp when she came in?

>>37458143
Any opinions that doesnt have a canon source quoted with them are not worth the reply, Gensokyofags or Grimsokyofags.

>>37458143
this. just like >>37390837 says these comfyfag secondaries need to shut the fuck up and let canonchads discuss in peace

How is grimsokyo real, like dude just bring a super soaker and use it in spell card duels to put conceited youkai in their place.

>>37458333
>watering the plant youkai
Imbecile. You just made it stronger!

>>37458375
Yuuka may be slow but she isn't a vegetable.

>>37457901
Kagerous is a literal werewolf, and rabbit youkais dont have a good history with humans, so theres a worst case scenarios where they play a dangerous prank on you and you die

>>37458375
maybe the plant will show mercy to me if I help it grow larger

I'm glad youkai are extinct on the outside. Everyone comes off as insufferably smug and arrogant in the games.

>>37458333
If youre not trolling, those danmakus are real stuff that can cause injuries and sometimes even lethal.
Source: Grimoire of Usami where Yukari, Reimu and Marisa rush to protect the villagers when Sukuna hijacked the fireworks event, WaaH during a chapter about Reimu's needle, which is rusted and encrusted in youkais blood, sharp enough to puncture Kogasa's umbrella when thrown. In Fairy Wars Marisa has to nerf her Master Sparks to avoid outright killing Cirno

>>37458511
So you're saying you might as well bring an actual gun for spell card duels?

>>37458422
are there any figurative werewolves in gensokyo?

>>37458236
The humans already were kicking their asses in canon, why do you think they're suddenly untouchable?

>>37458422
>Kagerous is a literal werewolf
And thus a human most of the time and a reasonably well behaved youkai during a full moon other than in DDC.

>>37458481
Smug, you say?

>>37458236
>"These filthy humans are exploiting the power of the moon and trying to build a base here. We've been urging them co-exist peacefully with us, but they never listen. We're up against a wall.
>"We've decided to declare a final war against them. The tide of war is currently slightly in their favour... Their modern weaponry is far better than we expected. But don't worry, we have the wisdom and pride of our millennia of history... We will never lose.
humans are already kicking their ass bro.
though this is kind of weird, what year does IN take place? this was all a "few decades" after the first NASA landing.

>>37458524
fug

>>37458814
Why not just use an actual gun?

>>37458781
>Their modern weaponry is far better than we expected.
Your in the perfect position to do all sorts of espionage and information gathering and somehow you still get surprised. These incompetent Lunarians deserve to die off.

>>37458833
No bully, please.

>>37458821
she's a jap

>>37458858
But she's a magician. It's not like they buy magic and magic accessories in magic appliance stores.

>>37458524
Well, there are no rules against it AFAIK, and AFAIK the only reason no one uses it is because the technology isnt there. Plus bullet types aren't the only thing that makes your danmake powerful, most of them combine it with their powers, like how Reimu abuse her border powers in her danmakus or how Seija use her power to flip stuff to mess with danmakus.
>>37458687
>The humans already were kicking their asses in canon
When? Sagume, Kaguya and Eirin were all playing around,Yorihime kicked team Reimu's ass and Toyohime made Yukari knelt for her life.

>>37458821
I'm guessing that the 3D printed gun is more than just a device to fire a projectile at high speed; it is a symbol of terror that shook the hearts of a hundred million humans living in countries without second amendment rights, giving it the power to hurt even gods and youkai.

>>37458821
Usami's gun is 3D printed so she can do crimes.
>>37458890
The human village is Meiji-era, so there should at LEAST be traditionally-crafted matchlocks.

>>37458899
US isn't the only place with guns, anon.

>>37458821
Maybe because normal bullets dont work on them? Reimu's bullets are talismans for example, and those 'needles' are stupid huge. Sakuya's knives are made of silver.

>>37459024
Get a bigger gun?

>>37459024
Does danmaku have to hurt? Wasn't the point not to kill?

>>37458890
IN. Read Kaguya's profile
>We're up against a wall.
>The tide of war is currently slightly in their favour...

>>37458781
>though this is kind of weird, what year does IN take place?
It was released in 2004 and games were generally supposed to be in real time back then.

>>37459108
>No combatant may kill a human, even upon victory
Quoted from Perfect Memento, so I assume the no killing rule only applies to humans.

>>37459055
Most Touhous can fly, so good luck aiming from the ground while dodging shit they fire from air, or if you can fly you can't possibly carry that shit on air unless youre as strong as an oni or vampire.

>>37459426
Get a flying gun with aiming assistance?

>>37459395
Gensokyo needs a fat ugly youkai rights coalition. It can't be a coincidence that the only characters that don't get killed right away are cute.

>>37459108
>>37459024
>>37458511
>>37458333
On the other hand, Nitori's danmaku is literally water and cucumbers. https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/The_Grimoire_of_Marisa/Nitori_Kawashiro's_Spell_Cards

>>37459426
Just get a mount. Back in the day, Reimu fought a number of tanks. You can probably still use vehicles under spell card rules.

>>37459543
With kappa technology, even cucumbers and water can hurt! Also in MoF she along with the two bosses before her only want to chase you out foebyour safety.

>>37459573
Anon....

>>37459573
When did Reimu fight tanks?
1989?

>>37459573
>>37459674
Be the human that introduces skateboards to Gensokyo. They'll be super popular in the village and the Scarlet Devil Mansion.

>>37459674
Who's the chick in the middle of the text bubbles? Next to "four" and "but"

>>37459758
I don't get your joke, but in Story of Eastern Wonderland

When youkai in the games talk about making modern art out of the corpse of the protagonist, is it just talk or would it really happen if you lost?

>>37459766
Will they be more popular than Byakuren's motorcycle?

>>37459873
What are you even referring to?

>>37459873
It might happen, yeah. The Hakurei Shrine Maiden position has had to be transferred before (probably because whoever held it at the time met a terrible fate or whatever). Source: Aya in a later chapter of SSiB

>>37459905
Koishi in Subterranean Animism extra tells Marisa
>We'll decorate the entrance of the Palace of the Earth Spirits with your corpse!
Koishi is crazy!

>>37459945
PROOF grimsokyochads were right all along

>>37459889
Can Byakuren compete with maids on skateboards?

>>37459873
I think the only quasi-canon case of a human getting merked in the games is Marisa burning Reimu to death in a bad end of SoEW (before they became friends), but that was pre-Spellcard Rules

>>37459960
SA is truly the grimmest 2hu. Utsuho wants to burn not only the protagonist to ash, but the surface world too.

Yamame after acting all innocuous to Marisa is outed as a youkai spider by Nitori, leading her to say
>Oh, looks like the cat's out of the bag. Just when I thought I'd finally got myself some wild game.
Was probably trying to trick Marisa into flying into a web and getting caught, If it was a regular person it would be over.

>>37460359
Underworld youkais are another level of wicked. Thats the place where evil spirits that not even hell wants to except dwells(WaaH), and Byakuren refuse to except any youkais there as her disciples(Wiki)

>>37459945
Damn thats sick even for a youkai, just who would-
>SA
Ah, Underworld youkais are just THAT weird, theres a reason Reimu didnt invite them for the fireworks festival. Orin also keep talking about wanting your corpse, and the only reason she stops you from going to Oku at stage 6 is because she dont want your corpse to be burnt

>>37460359
In fairness to Okuu, she had a bit of a mental break after becoming a living shrine to the solar kami Yatagarasu.
But yeah, the Underground is basically the basement all the youkai undesirables get locked in. Pretty much the only innocent there is Satori, who secludes herself in Chireiden because she's an antisocial NEET who gets bullied for reading other peoples' minds (which she can't really help since it's a mostly passive ability) and has to manage a rowdy younger sister (who is clinically insane and also probably autistic after mind-whammying herself to seal off her powers) and the ex-Hell maintenance crew.

>>37457901
In one of the music cds maribel encountered a large ratlike creature with a human face while in the bamboo forest. Wether that refers to a typical cute girl with mouse ears like Nazrin or an actual monster with a human head is up to interpretation. It did attack her and slash open her arm though.

>>37461469
Is that from the time of modern Gensokyo or that time she went back to old Gensokyo area before the barrier went up or youkai power started to wane?

>>37461428
>In fairness to Okuu, she had a bit of a mental break after becoming a living shrine to the solar kami Yatagarasu.
She repeatedly fails to recognize any person entering the reactor (except for Kanako) as anything but a contaminant meant to be burned to nothingness, if the fighting games are canon anyway.

>>37461498
In fairness to Okuu, she's also a massive fucking idiot.

>>37461427
>leading prey to a trap
>sick even for a youkai
???

MoF and all the warnings the olayer receives by youkai trying to chase them off as harmlessly as possible proves some youkai actually are kind towards humans and just need to put up a front to survive.

Other instances like the music cds or bits from the manga and miscellaneous odds and ends show there are also youkai that are dangerous towards and want to devour humans. To say nothing of the underground.

Cutesokyo and grimsokyo coexisting at once is a big part of why the setting is great. If you were in Gensokyo and met a youkai, it could go either way or somewhere inbetween. You never really know what you’ll get.

And sometimes lines blur, like Nitori was just trying to scare you off in MoF which is meant to protect you, but she also sells shirikodama extractors.

>>37461496
Honestly, I have no idea.

>>37461741
Protect you from what? That Kappa themselves?

>>37461724
I should have said so, but the two Underworld youkais who came to her for training are Yamame and Orin. Both are rejected. Read the wiki on Myouren Temple for reference. Also most lesser youkais like Mystia or Rumia will straight up jump to you to eat you meanwhile Yamame tries to trap you first, I wonder if its because she is intelligent or its her nature as a spider.

>>37461887
Aside from Kanako and Suwako, Tengus are probably the strongest race living on the mountain, and they're extremely territorial, so probably the tengus. But then again Tengus are one of the race responsible protecting the Human Village

>>37461964
Meant for>>37461837

This was a nice thread. Thanks /jp/

>>37462230
Yeah if only the comfyfag gensokyoshitters weren't here to shit it up, it'd be perfect.

>>37459530
Well......

>>37398641
Lunarians got beat up and had to create an alternate moon so they wouldn't get found.

>>37461837
Presumably not every youkai on the mountain would be as lenient as her. There’s tons of mob enemies swarming you after all.

Or maybe not, maybe it wasnt protection and just a scare tactic. A scare tactic is still far kinder than straight up trying to kill you though.

>>37461837
There are probably a shit loud of Wild Youkai running around the foot of the Mountain.

>>37398502
NASA? Why NASA? I was expecting the CIA not the fucking NASA.

>>37476751
Lunarians shat everything up basically

>>37476960
It not really that impressive considering the Moonies shat themselves because of some Fairies

>>37479094
Jesus Christ...It has been more than two decades and the enemies are always fairies.

>>37479094
Moonies are pussies.