/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Looked through my LoLK records and apparently I reached Junko with Reisen a few times on Legacy which confuses me.
Also beat LoLK with ReimuP, but it didn't feel like a true win. At the same time I never want to play it again. Anyways this only leaves SA as the one mainline game I haven't 1cc'd on normal.

>>37219538
Oh and as a sidenote Striped Abyss is a lot easier to do unfocused. Clownpiece's one easy spellcard.

EoSD is my bitch.

Just started POFV, any tips?

https://files.catbox.moe/ujdjuw.rpy
I've never cared about sharing my replays before but I just had a complete clown run in UFO and I can't just keep it all to myself.

>>37222613
Don't bother charging beyond Level 2. The CPU more or less runs on a timer that only a few characters fuck with. There's no such thing as playing offensive, it's all about defending yourself, and so, being able to use 3 semi bombs to get yourself out of trouble is much more valuable than getting a full screen clear once but beyond at the mercy of a potential reversal.
Round 1 AIs starting from Round 6 are a lot more robust than they'll be in the following rounds. With extends you can get from scoring, which you can go about rather carelessly with most characters, don't sweat it if you lose these Round 1 matches on Stage 6 through 9. What matters for the sake of having enough ressources is not losing more after that, but as I said before, it should get marginally easier: Stage 6 through 8 ( which is usually Komachi for R8 ) will rarely last more than 2 minutes on a Round 2 on Normal, whereas Eiki is a little more volatile, which is why it's good for you to have a good amount of lives going into Eiki, though she's doable in Round 2, I'll assume your skills in relation to what she throws at you will only let you last a bit less than 3 minutes once you have a decent grasp of her, in most cases, which is, for Round 2 & 3 against her, a time that could go either way, and if you had 4 lives going into her, it's very likely she'll at least give you a 2:30 or less Round at some point.

>>37222613
Have 2-3 extra lives when you reach Eiki.

How do I stop being bad at touhou? I can get through stage 1 and 2 of EoSD fairly easy, but I've only been able to get through Meiling a few times.

>>37226416
Try starting from an easier game like SoEW or LLS, or PCB if you really don't want to play the PC98 games.

>>37226742
Ok, I'll try something different then. Thanks

>>37226826
try pointdevice lolk

>>37226416
Just practice it over and over. You'll be amazed how many hard spots you'll eventually start clearing naturally with enough exposure therapy.

>>37226416
Without knowing any details, I can at least tell you that the biggest mistakes new players make are moving around too much, not picking up items, and not using bombs. Usually people get stuck on stage 4 of Koumakyou, so if you're stuck on 3, then you probably still need to practice the fundamentals. >>37226944 is also correct.

>>37227062
I do move a bit to much, I try a little to hard to get power early on, I don't use bombs, and I have player lives set to 3.

>>37227062
Also not pressing Shift

>>37227112
>I don't use bombs
In the best case, each bomb will prevent you from losing one life so essentially you're getting quadruple the amount of lives.
In average, you'll sometimes be using a bomb even if you weren't going to die so it's actually closer to getting double the amount of lives, which is still a lot.
It's fine not to use bombs when you're doing the first few runs and trying to figure out how to beat each spellcard, but once you know which ones are the hardest and you're doing serious runs for the 1cc using bombs is essential to a beginner-intermediate player.

>>37227766
Will keep that in mind. Though I haven't been using bombs because I had it in my mind that if I can't get past the first three stages without using a bomb then I wouldn't be able to get through the last three stages

>>37227787
Yeah, that's true. You learn more by trying and failing than by using a bomb and skipping sections.

>>37227787
You can learn later, if you can 1CC a game, even by bomb spams, you'll unlock Extra Stages and is qualified to play the harder levels or use harder shot types that gives you better experience and improves your skill by a lot. If you dont wanna bomb, then dont bomb AT ALL might as well just use your run to practice and capture the very hard spell cards like Monster Cucumber or any of Aya's Spellcards or test how far you can go with grazing or micro dodging stuff

>>37227808
That's not true at all. Especially for a new player, purposely not using bombs is counterproductive. Sure, you shouldn't just be blindly pressing X whenever a boss shows up, you should make an attempt to dodge everything first, but when you're clearly backed into a corner or have no idea what to do, it's better to just bomb it for the time being and keep going to see what else you can see.
>>37227787
Also, if you decide that you need to budget a bomb to Cirno's opener or Meiling's last card or whatever, that's fine, you can still easily 1cc.

>>37228211
>Cirno's opener
I handle that easy, it's all of Meiling that gets me

>>37228276
All of Meiling's attacks are pretty straightforward. The last couple are a bit RNG, but if you're having trouble with the other stuff as well, perhaps you don't have a good feel for where your hitbox is?

>>37217859
I love Koishi so damn much man

>>37228211
>you should make an attempt to dodge everything first
That's what I said, yeah.

>but when you're clearly backed into a corner or have no idea what to do, it's better to just bomb it
You're right and I didn't said not to do this.
When you're backed into a corner it means you've run out of dodging you can try, so what I said doesn't apply and the only choices are dying or using a bomb and the latter is obviously better.

>>37226416
Hold shift for focused movement.
Don't die with bombs. Wasting bombs on something trivial and then not having a bomb for something hard is better than dying with bombs. Being forced to dodge tough pattern while having 0 bombs is when your skill actually improves.
Plan your route through stages.
When dodging complex patterns try breaking them down into small tasks.
Stream (tap-dodge in one direction to herd aimed bullets into condensed stream) should be your default way of movement. It helps to identify aimed bullets and not get overwhelmed when dodging static patterns.

You love to see it.

>>37231132
The torch has been passed once more!

I have a problem /jp/. Sometimes if I tap the arrow keys lightly enough, they won't register any movement. Not only is this bad for micrododging and it could fuck me up at the worst times, but there have also been occasions where the tap doesn't register and I think I'm about to get hit by a bullet but I don't and it makes me feel like I dodged it on accident and I probably would have got hit if the tap actually registered. How do I stop obsessing over this? This doesn't invalidate my 1CCs does it? Of course I would use a better keyboard this keyboard is the only thing I have to play with right now so I'm kinda stuck with it.

>>37233663
>This doesn't invalidate my 1CCs does it?
Just a fair warning, stop this line of thought immediately. Like any intrusive thought, if you feed it, it will grow stronger. You may think getting another keyboard would solve your problem but it won’t, your brain will always find something else. Some people have it so bad that they literally refuse to believe any of their own runs are real unless they were recorded live.
Your keyboard situation is definitely a handicap. Anything that impairs movement is. Nobody on this earth would rather play with your keyboard for the off chance their brain would misread a trajectory and be benefitted by one mistake cancelling out the other.

>>37234071
I don't understand what point you're trying to make with this post. The first paragraph makes it sound like you're telling me not to worry about it but the second paragraph sounds like you are doing the exact opposite by telling my keyboard is indeed botched and it's affecting my experience and I should be worrying about.

>>37235365
If your keyboard is actually acting up then you need to look into that but there's nothing wrong with some jank accidentally saving your run.
I dodged huge wave of bullshit a couple times just because I panicked, my brain went into deer in headlights mode and I just stayed still which turned out to be the optimal course of action.

>>37235550
>If your keyboard is actually acting up then you need to look into that
I'm not exactly sure. I've been using this keyboard for a few months now but I didn't notice this until recently. Maybe it was always like and I just never noticed. I mainly notice it with the arrow keys. If it was just one key that wasn't responsive I would assume it's broken but if it happens all/most keys then I'm just going to assume that's the way the keyboard was meant to be. I'm waiting for another keyboard in the mail so I'll have to see.
>I dodged huge wave of bullshit a couple times just because I panicked, my brain went into deer in headlights mode and I just stayed still which turned out to be the optimal course of action.
Okay, but purposefully not pressing any keys is different than pressing a key and the key doesn't respond
>there's nothing wrong with some jank accidentally saving your run.
If nobody else cares if a key press didn't register then perhaps I'll try to stop caring about it too. I guess that makes me feel a little bit better

I want a fumo but i dunno about prices/availability and even if i did get one it would probably be in shitass condition given what people to to these things

>>37235550
>>37235690
something else I should add, over the past two or three weeks, I have been playing SA Extra and PCB Hard and I have been able get 1CCs, so I don't think this keyboard is anywhere close to being considered unusable but key presses not always registering will still rub me the wrong way. It's only really a problem if I tap it lightly. I think it might just be the way the keyboard is

>>37235742
OP here I got mine from Japanese seller on ebay for about 120 USD. The photo depicted it in a bag with the badge so there's a 99.9% it's legit. However, she's the only fumo I own and I don't plan on buying anymore so that's probably why I can tolerate spending 100U USD on a fumo unlike most people. However, if I couldn't find any that were less than 200 USD, I don't think I ever would have bought one. YAJ has some that go for less than 1,000 yen last time I checked, mostly Eirin and Hatate for some reason. If the photo depicts the fumo in a bag and a badge, it's most likely legit. Just don't buy any that don't come in a bag

>>37235817
>120 USD
Fuck me, now i know i'm never getting one, why are nice things always so expensive

>>37236839
idk if you read the whole post or not but YAJ has some going for less than 10,000 yen.

>>37236871
Which is approx 70€, still pretty expensive to me (not even counting shipping expenses i assume), plus i know there's a ton of bootleg ones going around so it would be kinda risky as well

>>37236948
>i know there's a ton of bootleg ones going around so it would be kinda risky as well
that's why I said you have to see if the fumo is in a bag and has the badge

>>37235742
I'm only getting one when a Utsuho model comes out.

>>37235365
>but the second paragraph sounds like you are doing the exact opposite by telling my keyboard is indeed botched and it's affecting my experience and I should be worrying about.
These are not mutually exclusive. What I’m saying is far from being an illegitimate leg up you’ve been playing with a handicap, it’s made your achievements that much harder if anything.
The first paragraph is a general warning for the future, put this issue to rest and try not to overthink “validity” in the future since it’s a slippery slope

>>37235817
please do not misuse the spoiler function "kudasai"

https://files.catbox.moe/33rcnv.rpy
Holy crap is LoLK easy with Reisen

How do I tell what routes I've done with Flandre? I kinda just picked characters at random when I played her

>>37240701
left doors are A route
middle doors are B route
right doors are C route

>>37240983
is there a way to tell what one I got from picking a random mishmash of doors? The final boss had two phases from my results

>>37240992
Did you fight Kanako or Joon?

>>37241016
Kanako absolutely, if it is possible to face both of them that may have happened too.

>>37226416
meiling is pretty simple you just have to focus at appropriate times and learn rough routes for her spells. honestly for any problem spots just try to bomb your way through them enough to the point where you can play through it in practice mode and grind it out until you've learned a route. using thprac can help too since it lets you skip through the easy stuff and go straight to specific spell cards

gorgeous sweet flower and rainbow wind chime are both easy once you've learned a route. the two rng ones after that you just have to monky dodge and be ready to bomb if shit hits the fan

>>37235365
>>37233663
janky dumb bullshit is always valid anon. if you win a race because your opponent's car explodes right before the finish line that doesn't change the fact you won. thoughts like "but what if [x] happened instead" aren't worth wasting any mental energy over.
it's a vidya game and sometimes stupid bullshit happening just adds to the fun of it. literally my favorite thing in this series is when i go for some retarded risky strat that shouldn't ever possibly work but it just does for some reason. having good luck and god's blessings is part of being a good player and you should consider yourself blessed

>>37235817
>>37217859
Yo OP, can I get sauce on that Koishi background? I wanna arrange windows like that to spook my friends next time I use Parsec.

>>37241610
you mean this?

>>37235742
I lucked out with Bday cash and got Kasen. If I do again I'm going for Yuuka but that's about it since I only want my faves (and my other three faves are rarer than unicorns when it comes to reasonable prices).

>>37241645
how much did you pay for kasen? where did you buy it?

>>37241642
Perfect! Thank.

>>37241666
you're welcome satan

>>37241656
I got her off Yahoo Auctions Japan for the equivalent of 69 Burgerbucks. And yes I checked before I bought her, she was legitimate.

I'm never going to get a 1cc... I have trouble sticking with one game. They all seem so interesting and cool all while I get bored after I fuck up a good run and don't give it my best again for the day.
I also have a retard distracting me constantly. It makes it hard to really get to it.
I just want to be able to give it the attention it needs.

>>37241888
force yourself to stick to one game, figure out what problems you're having, write them down in notepad or whatever, and get a practice routine going with thprac or something to work on the spots that prevent you from getting a 1cc in whatever game

>>37231132
You can do it, you're so unbelievably close and I believe in you.

>>37242180
Yeah, I think I broke the little slump I was having. Not only did I manage to get past Patche, I got halfway through Remi (with continues).
I'll stick with EoSD now. I'd be a little disappointed if it wasn't my first.
Shouldn't have been so negative. Just a rough night in general.

>>37243057
hell yeah anon I believe in you. get some rest

I still haven't 1cc'd EoSD although I have PCB (started with it for reasons), although in the past couple days I've managed to go from 4ccing EoSD to 2ccing it just through grinding out specific spell cards and practicing routes.
once I shifted my mindset to just thinking of runs as put together lego structure where the lego pieces are strats/routes for different sections of the game I did a lot better for some reason, prob autism. like just practicing random sections until I got to the point I could start putting them together seamlessly in a run without dying

>>37243146
I don't really think about it much myself. I only remember the things I die a bunch to and the bosses. I don't like practicing specific things either. I'm too forgetful to break things up.
My method is to simply try again and again, improving my overall skill. Probably why I suck at games in general.

I've been starting to play the old games recently again and I'm having this problem with Perfect Cherry Blossom where it auto focuses every single time I'm firing, only with PCB, and I've had the files for years now and I've always used a controller to play. It just had to fucking do this focus on firing thing on the game reliant on not focusing. I've already checked the settings and there are no checkbox option for focus when firing.

MoF was the last good release

>>37244963
...of "Kanako's fuckups" saga.

https://files.catbox.moe/l2smbq.rpy
I got an ExNB on SA again, this time with ReimuB

>>37242653
I got it yesterday, but forgot to post it.

>>37244402
Have you checked the in-game Option > KeyConfig menu? Mae sure Shot and Slow are on different buttons, and that ShotSlow is off.

>>37247146
You might want to use this for quick and easy window resizing, although having koishi on the side looks cute too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar90lm4TAao
https://github.com/Raymai97/noborder

>>37248040
I've checked everything. Shot is on r1 and focus is on l1 and it just keeps focusing after half a second of pressing the fire key.
Though keyboard's shot key does not do the whole auto focus thing. Maybe the game is telling me to man up and use a keyboard but my right fingers doesn't have the coordination that my left one has. God creator ZUN uses a controller to play anyways.

>>37244402
custom.exe has an option to focus when firing, and it's probably on for you

I can't capture Rin's final spell, Rekindling of Dead Ashes. If I don't get trapped and bomb, I time out. Is there a trick to it?

>>37250335
I remember mainly running circles around her and focusing on dodging the one time I captured it. Stop below her to do some damage if you have the opportunity. It was with ReimuA so there might have been some gap shenanigans too.

>>37249551
Try "Don't use DirectInput" checkbox in cutom.exe.
Try resetting default binds.
Try something like Steam Input to bind keyboard keys to controller buttons.
Back in the days when I played on controller I never even bothered with ingame controller settings and just used xpadder.

>>37250335
Move in a large circle around the screen. The large bubbles are aimed so don't panic and just focus on the smaller bullets. Ignore the fairies; you will shoot them down on your way down anyway. Orin has really low HP/defense during this spell so it usually only takes two laps around her.

>>37241888
Play three or more games at once. I start to make silly mistakes if I play the same game for too long. Been cycling 11, 12, 14, 15, lately.

why is lolk legacy normal so damn hard

>>37251272

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

FUCK YOU CHIMATAAAAAAAAAAA
I TRIED SO HAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD AND GOT SO FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

But in the end the survival spell wore me out. Can't believe this, used to barely reach stage 6 and it was so close.

>>37251533
Have you unlocked three starting cards yet? You can do it by beating ez modo

>>37251588
They are three of them? I thought ez modo gave you the 2nd starting card slot.

>>37251533
That's the easiest survival spell in the entire series, you can't mess it up more than once.

>>37217859

>>>/vg/>>359196283

>>37217859

>>>/vg/359196283

>>37251732
You can unlock a 3rd slot by buying Chimata's card before facing her, no 1cc required

>>37251771
>>37251775
Okay, but why are YOU on /vg/?

Orin is the type of character I hope gets a whipworm infection.

EoSD 1CC ruined yet again at Sakuya, but I literally only die once at Remilia when I continued what the fuck.

>>37253635
Sakuya is an RNG nightmare and most of Remi's attacks are simple

>>37253814
That and maybe because I find dodging circles way easier than knifes

>>37254214
The knives have a hitbox bigger than the actual bullet.

How do I become good at those fighting games? I've been playing Gouyoku Ibun but I'm hitting a roadblock either at Yuugi's last or with Murasa.

Violet Detector is just okay.
Just okay.

>>37255072
GI isn't really a fighting game. Understanding your moves and when you get iframes and bullet cancels is the key. Here's a couple english guides
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2641378861
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2641784279

>>37255616
Oops, one wrong link to moonrunes guide. Here you go.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2640349963

Just got my first lunatic 1CC!! I'm very happy.

>>37251533
Out of everything in the game the survival got you? That's the easiest stage6 spell ever, even on Lunatic, come on anon

>>37256538
what shot type is that?

>>37256661
Marisa A.

>>37256538
Nice work!
imo stage 3 is the toughest part of the run.

>>37256741
I'm jealous of anybody who can 1CC Lunatic. The jump from Hard to Lunatic is always too much for me, especially the stage 3 bosses. Some stage 3 bosses on Hard are so easy I can get through them with only two or three bombs or on rare occasions I can NMNB them but on Lunatic I can't dodge any of their attacks except for one or two and it's impossible for me to get past stage 3 on Lunatic without losing at least one life on any game. How the fuck do Lunatichads do it? Lunatic is unfun bullshit

>>37257767
It’s entirely genetic, based off reaction times and pattern recognition

>>37251811
Good to know, I'll try to get it on the next run.

>>37257779
>It’s entirely genetic
Bro what? You're telling me I was destined to fail from birth! That's true lunacy? Can I improve my reaction times in any meaningful way to beat lunatic?

>4 1ccs into UFO and i only now realise extra lives take 4 life pieces instead of 3
In hindsight it did seem off to me how I was sometimes 1 piece off a life when desperately trying to get some lives in stage 6, but I never stopped to think about it until now. Holy shit I'm retarded.

>>37257767
I still consistently die to Chen and Alice and sometimes even to Letty's final. I'd say it's really a matter of RNG and how many bombs you use before dying (at least from most of the practice i did). But the gap between Hard and Lunatic really is huge.

>>37256948
Thanks, either stage 3 or 4 imo. The part after Lily is always a huge mess for me.

>>37258558
>how many bombs you use before dying
I already do that but even with 44 bombs I can't even get past Yuyuko's third spell card

What is the trick to Patchouli's nonspells on hard/lunatic?
I already know the pattern for her lasers is static and is 1x CCW > CW, 2x CCW > CW, 1x CCW > CW but I've tried to switch up my misdirection strategy multiple times and I still always panic and have to sightread.

>>37259554
Ignore the laser pattern part, not only did I typo but at a second glance it looks like it just alternates every other cycle. No idea where I got that pattern from, must have been really tired when I committed it to memory.

>>37259554
Stream circles attack without lasers, try staying under Patchouli to keep dealing damage.
If it pushed you to the side you're still fine because you can just move through first laser (while it's appearing) and rest your position.
When dodging lasers just keep moving in focused mode, don't stop, don't jump into unfocused movement to create distance, you'll be fine with just calmly moving with lasers and staying close to bottom of the screen.
At least that's how I dealt with it on hard, dunno about loony.

one day I will no bomb eosd

>>37217859
Is Unconnected Marketeers an exceptionally difficult game or am I just *that* rusty? I 1CC'd every game since TD on normal including LoLK, but I can barely get past stage 3 in UM. But I haven't played these games in almost a year.

>>37261823
I'd say mostly rust. It definitely is balanced around using cards, so its base difficulty is a bit higher than normal, but the first half shouldn't be giving you that much trouble in comparison to others.

>>37261823
After a few more tries, I did manage to get the 1CC clear! Although, I did start with 2 cards from getting a clear using one continue on Chimata. But on the other hand, after stage 1 the only card I bought was the generic life card.

>>37261823
It's one of the harder ones at first but once you learn the patterns and cards it becomes one of the easiest (under normal circumstances, LNN is fucking insane)

>>37257987
nah it isn't genetic because of reaction times it's genetic because of autism

>>37254262
That explains so damn much.

>>37262316
Well done but delete this image.

>>37269416
>Error: You cannot delete a post this old.
Oops...

I beat EoSD on hard

>>37270649
Now do it with all shots.

>>37271048
Challenge accepted

Could've done DDC if I didn't drop my damn bombs. I'm pretty confident I'll get it tomorrow though.

>>37272607
Yeah, that's a game where you really don't want to die with bombs in stock. Be sure to trade them in for life pieces whenever you can to lower that risk.

>>37250067
I've checked, PCB's custom is much more smaller compared to the other games and has no checkbox for focus when firing. I have already checked everywhere. I could just reinstall but the file itself is sentimental.

>>37274929
>I could just reinstall but the file itself is sentimental.
Your save is contained in the scorefile and not the exe baka

Man, fuck Komachi.

>>37275443
The files itself is sentimental. The save file is long gone when I forgot to back it up alongside the game files. I'll probably have to move it back the external drive and install a new copy instead.

I want to look at UFO MarisaB positevely and say it forces me to get out of my bad habit of bomb skipping spell cards because her bomb is absolutely dogshit but I know that's just me coping. This shot isn't fun at all.

>>37280496
It's not that bad. After 1cc'ing with the other shot types, that one took me like one or two attempts. 12 just isn't a game where shot type matters much, at least for a simple 1cc.

I wanted to beat UFO, but I couldn't finish the last stage with 2 lives, so I just got a 1cc instead.
It amuses me that using continues actually makes the game harder.

>>37254262
I knew it.
I don't feel bad for spamming bombs on her.

>>37283644
you mean a 2cc
just happened to me in DDC

Dumb question
When i use the autocollect from Suika with SA does it count points as if i grabbed them from the point in standing on or from the point they were on when they got sucked in? Almost certain its the former so they're almost worthless if im low but i have to ask just in case

>>37283727
>you mean a 2cc
No, I mean I couldn't beat the game using continues, so instead I got better at the earlier stages and reached stage 6 with 5 lives.

Flashback to Byakuren

Shou: Sweet, loving. Her attacks are relatively simple if you're focused. No safespots because she knows you can do it.
Rin: Nightmare, evil. What the fuck is any of this? Thank god for safespots.

>>37287346
After making Rin in touhou 11, ZUN decided he’d give us a break with Shou in touhou 12

I think that's enough UFO for a while. I don't want to deal with the extra yet as Kogasa is fucking terrifying. I'll try to get the other TD alt endings now.

that's DDC down
fun fact: I beat it earlier today but as the second drawing on the ending appeared my windows did something stupid and game freezed
another fun fact: this second game lost all excitement by stage 5 because I used my damn bombs effectively

>>37291559
No MarisaB is understandable, she sucks

I was in bootcamp when 17.5 dropped and just recently got out.

What’s the issue with the translation? Usually they’re done being translated and patched within a week or two but this one seems to have only a little progress done, judging from a quick glance at the translation wiki.

Now that it's been patched I can finally say Sapphire Panlogism is a good game

>>37295966
how well does it run on toasters? i have an i5-2400 with no GPU although I want to add one

>>37295997
I have about 6.5 GB of GPU memory so I can't exactly say, but the devs do allow you to turn off backgrounds and effects to make the game lag less. I have 0 effects on just because the game itself slows to 1 fps briefly whenever changing stage and before spellcards. Your best bet is to try it on your toaster and see how well it runs. If the stages run at 60 FPS but it lags a bit during stage changes and spellcard activations before returning to normal, it should be fine.

>>37291559
How do TD alt endings work?

>>37297987
You get the alt ending for a character if you've already 1cc'd the game with them and then 1cc again with at least 3 bombs left in stock.

Does PIV bonus for higher rank release apply to summer subseason?

I think I only died once while holding a bomb, and I only had one extra life when I beat Yuyuko. I also realized that I play better when I don't have any bombs left, since I can focus only on dodging and not worry about pressing X.
Although I'm still not as good as I wish I was, I'm still very happy with the result.

Finally.

Is SA more permissive with deathbombing or does my wife being in the game somehow cause me to activate matrix reflexes?

>>37303373
>does my wife being in the game somehow cause me to activate matrix reflexes?
Myabe. SA's Extra is widely considered one of the harder Extras yet it's one of two Extras that I've beat with all shot type and one of three that I've beat without bombing and I feel like Koishi (my favorite Touhou) being the boss of that stage helps a lot.

>>37223650
i dont like this image, it feels like all of my faults are about to be criticized

>>37303313
Nice one, what shot type?

>>37305101
Reimu A

>>37295819
people have been waiting so long for 17.5 to come out that no one cares anymore. It's like when game companies announce a game like five years in advance and then when it actually releases all the momentum fizzled out like two years prior.
It doesn't help that the game is clearly rushed and flat out unfinished (with a toutetsu route labelled in the game but with no actual content in it).
Translators might just be uncaring, or they might be waiting for it to actually be complete first. Who knows? It's translated on the touhou wiki at least, but I wouldn't expect to see it all in game for a good while.

>>37305186
>>37295819
It's also a Tasofro game, probably on a new engine, possibly obfuscated in some way, not like the mainline games where code already exists to just slap the translated lines in there.

>>37305280
nah that shit was worked out in like two days, you can literally go and watch the patch stream from the thpatch guys
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1190524057
they work crazy fast

>only previous DDC experience was trying out the prevous 3 shots
>in all those runs never make it past shimmy's 3rd spell after using all continues
>try marisaB while half-asleep for fun
>almost 1cc somehow
I can't tell if she's that broken or my tiredness put me in the zone. Her bomb does allow you to get away with so much shit though.

kanako's last spell is torture. damn hag

>>37305440
not her fault you are bad

>>37305321
Use her bomb to milk nonspells stage 4 and after. But SakuyaA slows down the enemy and makes them shoot less bullets.

Tfw I've been trying to finish Junko's last spell in LoLK for three. days.
It's so frustrating and I had to talk about it

>>37306969
What st are you playing?

>>37305321
MarisaB is probably the most gamebreaking shottype in the series excluding MoF MarisaB's bug
and it only gets better the higher the difficulty goes because more bullets = more lives

Got tired of trying to cheese my way through SA and trying to beat Sapphire Panlogism with Marisa so I went back to UFO and had the rustiest run imaginable
https://files.catbox.moe/f8w82t.rpy

Changed my mind, going back to SA.
https://files.catbox.moe/xt6fj6.rpy
Everyone talks about how hard Kanako's last spell is, but never Byakuren's. Why?

>>37308619
Byakuren has probably the simplest last spell of all the ones I've seen so far in regards to understanding how to deal with it, besides maybe Okina's finals. Execution is a different matter, but at least the first 50-75% should be doable without bombing.

>>37309005
The problem is her rings de-syncing for me it almost always trips me up. I think Utsuho's is the easiest to understand but the execution isn't fun.

Just started a LoLK Lunatic PD Reimu run and I'm at stage 1 boss 2nd spellcard. No matter how hard I try I can't clear the games I wish to clear so I'm hoping that this will improve my skills. Am I making a mistake by attempting a Lunatic run? Got any advice?

>>37304957
It's too late now.

>>37311163
git gud

>>37311532

That went surprisingly well. Miko's final turned to be really easy to cheese with some practice.

>>37305186
>or they might be waiting for it to actually be complete first
Wait has it been said that ZUN/tasafro are actually gonna patch the game? That doesnt sound like them.

Guess I’ll just try the game as-is and read along using the wiki instead of in-game dialog, not a big deal.

I want to enjoy SA, but Orin won't let me.

>>37314524
Doesn't make sense how she supposedly wants someone to beat Utsuho but ends up being more of a thorn on your side than her.

>>37313464
they might not. Hell, considering how they're apparently down to '1.5 programmers' and probably suicidal from working on it, they might not want to.
But toutetsu's route IS in the game files, and people know that it isn't in the game itself. So unless they say they aren't doing it, people will likely assume they are

>>37315283
When you say in the game files, do you mean it’s in the main menu and shadowed out or something, or there’s just content buried in the code? Because the latter really doesnt mean much.

>>37311657
Miko's final is probably the easiest in general, unless you're counting PC-98 and then it's Shinki

>>37311163
You're going to feel like it's a huge mistake once you reach Lunatic Junko.
From all your PoFV clears I can see you're good at random dodging, but that can only get you so far. Watch replays for the games you want to beat, find a good route for them, do spell practice, and bombskip spells you don't like (looking at you Orin)

Has anyone tried POFV netplay?
I can connect with a friend, but the game always freezes and closes itself at the 50-58 seconds mark. I don't seem to find anyone else having this error, so if somebody here knows that'd be great.
I'm using adonis2 and hamachi, and I already tried compatibility modes, disabling firewall, even redownloading the adonis files.

>>37317422
>Lunatic Junko
I won't be using any bombs until then. Her last spellcard is already painful on normal.
>but that can only get you so far
exactly, but watching replays feels like cheating to me. I know it sounds retarded but it's like I'm using someone else's solution to a problem without putting much effort.

>>37317915
Do not use the moriyashrine version of the game. install and apply the patches yourself, there are two i beleive, try them both. Also try playing in windowed mode. I had to mess around quite a bit to run netplay smoothly. Use japanese locale, test out vpatch dont use it if causes more problems, dont install the english patch.

>>37317950
>I won't be using any bombs until then. Her last spellcard is already painful on normal.
At least Lunatic Clownpiece is mostly the same on Lunatic, some argue she's even easier. Especially with her star and stripe spell
>exactly, but watching replays feels like cheating to me. I know it sounds retarded but it's like I'm using someone else's solution to a problem without putting much effort.
Sometimes you need to know the tricks. Wizard Fox Thoughts I would never understand without knowing you just tap left every time bullets go off.

>>37318371
>Wizard Fox Thoughts I would never understand without knowing you just tap left every time bullets go off.
Maybe you should have spent some time watching your own replays instead of other people's. Or just watching the screen in general. The first few bubbles are paced the way they are specifically to teach you that everything is aimed. Deconstructing patterns, experimentation, and learning to overcome obstacles are the primary appeal of these kinds of games.

>>37317915
>freezes and closes itself at the 50-58 seconds mark
Never heard of this particular problem. In my experience, any failures (aside from desyncs) will happen before getting to the difficulty selection menu. Could be Hamachi; can you really not just forward your ports?

>>37318034
>dont install the english patch
That one doesn't matter.

>>37318776
Why would I think to stream across bullets that were seemingly coming from all sides? It's a video game, I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel or prove anything to myself. The appeal is having fun when I want to relax from the stress in my life.
I wouldn't have thought to just tap left, because technically it's a safespot. There are other ways to capture the spell as seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPCQNvj_kx4
There is literally nothing wrong with asking for help if something is frustrating you. Life's too short to give yourself headaches over a video game when taxes and famine exist.

I don't really understand POFV. I'm having fun, but it doesn't make any sense to me.

>>37319340
>The appeal is having fun when I want to relax from the stress in my life.
You have my support in playing the way you want to play.

>There is literally nothing wrong with asking for help if something is frustrating you.
Correct. But there is something wrong with telling someone, who specifically said they're trying to improve their skills, to actively give up on a learning experience.

The fact that, even now, you say things like "Why would I think to stream" or "technically it's a safespot" is excellent evidence that your way of playing hasn't taught you anything.

>>37319483
>Correct. But there is something wrong with telling someone, who specifically said they're trying to improve their skills, to actively give up on a learning experience.
That's not telling you to give up, that's telling you to look at how other people do it. You don't teach someone to cook by putting them in a kitchen with no cookbook, you don't teach someone to paint without teaching them color theory. You can eventually learn on your own, but it's better to just take advice. Which is what you asked for.
You also did ask for tips on how to beat the games, which I gave you. The reason you aren't beating them is because you
>The fact that, even now, you say things like "Why would I think to stream" or "technically it's a safespot" is excellent evidence that your way of playing hasn't taught you anything.
*bullets that were seemingly coming from all sides
This was the main point. You wouldn't stream Jeweled Pagoda or Flying Fantastica. I was trying a different method of dodging the bullets before I found the possibly unintentional trick Zun put in.
I first fought Ran very, very early into playing Touhou and now I've 1cc'd every game besides 11. Safespots in a lot of cases aren't necessary and prevent you from learning the actual pattern. Like this one: https://youtu.be/QIZ-n-ObbhI?t=99

>>37319570
>The reason you aren't beating them is because you
Fuck, deleted this on accident
It's because you're being stubborn about this really. Eventually you'll hit a spell with a really easy and known method that you just can't figure out like I did. Or you'll find out that some enemies only shoot if you shoot them first.

>>37319479
As in, the mechanics?
This video covers it pretty well.
https://youtu.be/5M4mgviiD7Y

>>37319479
That is a normal response to POFV.

>>37319756
>As in, the mechanics?
Yes. Thanks for the video. I'll give it a watch.
>>37319758
It's different, but I think it's pretty neat. I wonder what TH3 is like...

Been playing a bit of mystic square and I noticed a very, very small amount of input delay. Anyone know if that’s faithful to the original or an emulation issue?

Lotus Land Story also runs like shit when I emulate it for some reason, when it ran fine on my older, less powerful computer. So there must be some weird setting issue or something. The framerate is just abysmal, anyone know a fix?

>>37319822
3 is like PoFV. Like, a lot like it.

>>37319845
>Lotus Land Story also runs like shit
If you're using NPII, there's a patched version that runs correctly. It's in the megapack, or see https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=11117.0

>>37319570
>>37319580
For clarity, I'm a LNB level player. My first post was >>37318776.

>That's not telling you to give up, that's telling you to look at how other people do it.
They expressed interest in finding their own solutions. I think this is a worthwhile effort, even if it's not the fastest route to first 1ccs, since that kind of exploration is important for developing several fundamental skillsets. That is what I don't want them to give up on, even if that anon doesn't actually have any interest in going beyond barely scraping by with Normal 1ccs.

>You also did ask for tips on how to beat the games, which I gave you.
I interpreted the posts as asking for advice on how to improve skills, but I admit that it's an extremely open ended question, unless they were maybe just asking for advice related to their LoLK attempts specifically. Without any other information provided, I probably would have just told them to play the photo games too instead of only banging their head against Point Device in an annoying memotrash game.

>Eventually you'll hit a spell with a really easy and known method that you just can't figure out like I did.
Not everyone finds the optimal method on their own, but there's nothing in these games that is so gimmicky that you can't find some kind of solution as long as you've nurtured the right experience and mindset.

>You wouldn't stream Jeweled Pagoda or Flying Fantastica.
You wouldn't, but you absolutely should try at least once. Ironically, Flying Fantastica does have an aimed element to it.

For 99% of situations, the following checklist will lead you to a solution, even on blind runs:

>Don't move unless you have to. Are there any aimed elements that appear to be influenced by your position?
>If there are aimed elements, does slow streaming work? Does fast streaming work? Is misdirection a valid strategy?
>Are any cutbacks required so you don't get cornered? Would a different starting position help?
>Which elements are static? Which elements are random?
>What audio and visual cues are being provided? Can they be used to your advantage?
>Are enemies shooting once after entering the screen, or are they shooting continuously until they're killed?
>Do enemies have revenge bullets? Is it ever advantageous to not shoot?
>Which order should enemies be handled? Are there sequences that are easier than others? Is it worth the risk chasing each enemy down?
>etc.

Even if you can't figure out some of this stuff on the fly while playing, a lot of it may become obvious from experimenting in practice mode or even watching your own replays. Watching one's own replays and actively trying to understand how things work and why things went wrong is something people should do more often.

>>37320980
I thought you were the original guy from >>37311163
It gets kinda confusing without clarifying you're a new person in a conversation because this website is anonymous. I tend not to save replays anyways unless I get a clear or someone asks (one anon asked me to start saving my UFO fails out of curiosity)
>They expressed interest in finding their own solutions. I think this is a worthwhile effort
Yeah, but they did say this.
>No matter how hard I try I can't clear the games I wish to clear
Which at that point, if you've cleared all of PoFV with all shottypes but can't beat MoF, you have the skill but probably don't know what to do.
>Not everyone finds the optimal method on their own, but there's nothing in these games that is so gimmicky that you can't find some kind of solution as long as you've nurtured the right experience and mindset.
I'll disagree and say that Suwako is mostly gimmicks. She's not hard at all, but her spellcards are pretty much all gimmicks that can't be solved with random dodging. Also An Honest Man's Death can be confusing unless you know the laser doesn't materialize until it reaches your former position.
>Watching one's own replays and actively trying to understand how things work and why things went wrong is something people should do more often.
I do this with the ones I do have but it can only do so much, especially since dying clears bullets from the screen. A lot of the time I'm doing something completely different than what you're supposed to do.
I guess I just don't like the idea of watching someone else's replays being knocked as "cheating". I don't really have the time to spend hours of my day on the few spells I can't figure out on my own and prefer to watch someone else do it the right way if I can't get it. And actually doing is much different than watching.
I do have actual, unironic and not meme autism though so figuring things out can honestly be harder for me at times. It's why I reach Byakuren with 6 lives but still drop all my spaghetti.

>>37320980
>Does fast streaming work?
This, fucking this, every time I rember to try slow streaming everything suddenly starts to make sense and chaos turns into patterns.

>>37323360
but fast stream let's you re-stream

>>37320980 and >>37321252 thank you for your replies I'm >>37311163. I'll read as if your replies were directed at me.

>you should have spent some time watching your own replays instead of other people's
That is something I rarely do, I should do that more often.

>Deconstructing patterns, experimentation, and learning to overcome obstacles are the primary appeal of these kinds of games.
I totally agree.

> "Why would I think to stream" or "technically it's a safespot"
Exactly, that just isn't fun to me so I figured LoLK would force me into finding solutions by limiting the luck factor with its increased difficulty.

>Eventually you'll hit a spell with a really easy and known method that you just can't figure out like I did.
I did encounter that with Normal Clownpiece Fake Apollo but I sticked to my own method which although could've been easier I had more satisfaction when I beat her.

>Safespots in a lot of cases aren't necessary and prevent you from learning the actual pattern.
I agree.

> going beyond barely scraping by with Normal 1ccs
I actually do want to reach LNB level like you someday.

> photo games
other anons also recommended that so I'll definitely give them a shot now.

>following checklist
I'm trying to gain the intuition so this will be very useful, thanks!

>Even if you can't figure out some of this stuff on the fly while playing, a lot of it may become obvious from experimenting in practice mode or even watching your own replays. Watching one's own replays and actively trying to understand how things work and why things went wrong is something people should do more often.
solid advice

>You've cleared all of PoFV with all shottypes
Not just that, I've been playing PoFV netplay with a friend regularly so it's less about skill at this point and more about something else.

> can't beat MoF
I don't bomb MoF that's why I couldn't 1cc that yet and you're probably right about Suwako.

>being knocked as "cheating"
That is how I personally enjoy the game and I'm not judging how others play. Games are for fun and I don't have the right to tell others how to enjoy their 2hus.

Thanks again, I learned a lot and I'll continue learning and improving.

>>37315832

>>37320980
>following checklist
Also, that checklist is very easy to apply in LoLK since you can execute your plan get an instant feedback and repeat the process. This plan-execute-feedback loop is something that exists in IN practice mode as well. (And maybe in photo games, never played them, will play soon)

I don't understand why ZUN didn't include that in all of his games.

LNN level player here
Just bomb everything that gives you trouble lol

>>37326150
instructions unclear, ran out of bombs in LoLK PD stage 4

>>37326375
Thats why you play legacy reisen instead, it’s easier

>>37219952
Can someone explain to me the "thing" about farming 1cc's in normal with different characters ? instead of that why not go normal > hard > lunatic ¿?

>>37326522
Different shots (usually) enable different playstyles and force you to play differently to compensate for weaknesses like magic missle Marisa's thin bullet spread. It's a way to get a fresher experience when playing 2hu at a level of difficulty you're comfortable with.

>>37326590
I c, my goal is having all 2hus luna 1cc so when that happens maybe ill revert to using different shots, ty

>>37326150
>Just bomb everything that gives you trouble
Unless you're DDC MarisaB, then you just bomb everything indiscriminately

>>37326522
Sometimes I go back to previous games when I want to take a break of the game I'm currently grinding.

>>37326522
Different content (sometimes), different playstyles, different banter, different endings, occasionally shot types are like an additional difficulty slider, understanding the game better over multiple playthroughs (which carries over into higher difficulties), spending more time with game you're having fun with, taking it easy as subsequent playthroughs become less stressful and intimidating, nicer looking chart without holes.

>>37326150
Unironically good advice when you're just starting out

>>37319845
I've been playing the pc98 games on dosbox-x lately. They work great if you set the dynamic core (except for reiiden which bugs out if you don't leave the normal core set), even better than NPII on my toaster.

>>37326522
If you can conquer a game with all shottypes on normal, it means you've gotten really good at it on that difficulty.

How do you damage the boss on PoFV? Sometimes they lose most of their health before I even do anything, and other times I use a level 4 charge and it does absolutely nothing. Do I have to use it when Lily shows up for it to be consistent?
Also, why does Lily wear black clothes during the Eiki fight?

>>37328498
>How do you damage the boss on PoFV?
You just need to survive long enough for the rng to make the cpu take enough hits and die. The proper strategy is to save the charges for bouncing back the cpu boss every time it shows up.

>>37328498
>>37328531
Wait sorry, I misread "boss" as "enemy". I'm not sure what determines the bosses' behavior.

>>37328531
>>37328544
I meant the character on the other screen, not the one that appears on yours. I don't know if that's the difference between 'boss' and 'enemy' in this game.
Sometimes I can beat Aya without any issues, and other times I'll use all my lives and still lose. Sometimes the fight will be over in a minute and a half, and others times it'll reach 3 minutes.

>>37328899
Then yeah, my first reply stands. It's unfortunately all up to rng.

>>37328498
A Boss Level attack automatically spawns when a player reaches certain points thresholds for their combo metre at the top left. Most likely what's happening is that you're reaching those points and summoning your own Boss Level attack, which cancels their one. Similarly you might be using level 4 right before they reach a threshold and having your own deleted

>>37328899
oh then that's just RNG, they're more likely to fall quicker if you've already lost a match to them
some characters like Aya and Medicine also break the AI and essentially insta-win

>>37326522
I can't 1CC Lunatic for for shit but I love Touhou too much to abandon it so best way for me to spend time on it is to get as many Hard 1CCs and Extra clears as I possibly can

>>37328899
You just wait and survive. Each next boss stays alive longer but with each round against them their survival timer is shortened. Don't even pay attention to your opponent's healthbar, it doesn't mean anything. They can lose most health in first minutes and then go into god mode.

>>37329507
>>37329578
> likely to fall quicker if you've already lost a match to them
>each round against them their survival timer is shortened
I'm trying to get a 1cc, so that's not very comforting.

>>37326522
For the whole story.

>>37329643
I mean, I made it to Eiki with 5 lives using Mystia, lost 4 of them, and then she commited suicide within 20 secs. Yumemi did that once too I think with Chiyuri but you can't replay PC-98 games so that ones lost forever.

>>37329643
Hoard lives and try to squeeze the most out of PoFV's janky scoring system.

>>37329507
i can see how the doll would do it with the bullshit slow but what does Aya do

>>37330003
The CPUs can only react to bullets close to them and move away, so not only can they not stream for shit but Aya's bullets move so fast that they don't have time to move out of the way
the same thing can happen with Marisa and Shiki's lasers

>>37247959
Congratulations.

I injured my knuckles playing so I'm going to have to wait a week before I pick it up again

>>37334410
Have people beaten Touhou using their feet before? You could try that.

>>37334410
how did that happen?

>>37336172
I have small hands and use the numpad to play because my normal keys broke.

KOMACHI CAN SUCK MY FUCKING COCK HOLY SHIT
FUCK HER

I've been having trouble with SA since I started playing Touhou and it was one of the only games I couldn't beat on normal for a long time. Today I booted it up for the first time in months, and what do you know, I beat it on normal first go

>>37340588
I never managed to get past this evil monster.
I have no problem with Satori, and even got 1CCs in other games, but I still can't beat her.
Stupid cat.

How do I redeem myself from all the 1ccs I looked up help for? I can’t unlearn the material for each game

>>37340782
do higher difficulties

>>37341137
The only higher difficulty is LNN for me

>>37340782
>>37341236
Create new scoring tricks that aren't implemented in any current world records. Even if you can't put together a full run yourself, high level play is collaborative, and contributing to pushing the boundaries and increasing the potential of any given category is valuable.

>>37341557
I’m not interested in scoring or interacting with any communities outside of 4chan, I just want to prove to myself that I’m not literally retarded
I beat double spoiler without looking anything up (unlocking hatate), does that count for something?

>>37340782
>>37341676
I guess playing Touhou 19 blind? Or some fangame if you mind.

>>37341839
I did touhou 18 lunatic blind, but that game was stupidly broken and I’m guessing 19 will be too

>>37341839
Also please answer my question about double spoiler

>>37340243
Komachi fucks old men
>>37340697
Satori is easy because most of her spell cards are from old games. Also Orin's first two nons have safespots you can exploit.

>>37341987
>Orin's first two nons have safespots you can exploit.
I don't like using safespots. One of my favorite part of the games is personally finding out how to beat the bosses.

>>37341676
>I just want to prove to myself that I’m not literally retarded
Then don't ask me for my opinion, retard.

>>37342102
I’m sorry

>>37342045
In any other game I'd commend you, but some of Orin's horseshit is vomit inducing.
Atonement "Needle Mountain of a Former Hell" especially
Her third non isn't so bad as long as you can dodge quickly.

Finally a second game I one sisid. Also I wanna buy another game thats from religious/modern era that is not Ten Desires, any recommendations?

>>37228545
YOU'RE OPINION IS TRASH [kid].

Nue's stage isn't so bad if you go for green ufos before Kogasa and skip Karakasa Flash
>>37344481
UFO is really good but it has my wife in it so I'm biased.

>>37344481
How did you buy EoSD?

Anyone know how to change controls in neko project ii? The numpad moves like im focused all the time and my normal keys broke

>>37344803
I pirated 6-9, bought 10 and 13, would have buy if Japanese shipping isnt anal and didnt take a long time to arrive. Also fuck Medicine from TH 9, how do I get past her?

>>37344481
God, I wish that were me, I've sorta figured out how to do stage 5 but now I've become rusty when it comes to the other ones, last time I alt+f4-ed when meiling got me twice by some dumb mistake of mine

>>37345725
>last time I alt+f4-ed when meiling got me twice by some dumb mistake of mine
I still bomb Cirno's opener everytime since I can't get pass it consistently.

>>37346702
I bomb Cirno's Icicle Fall.
I can do it if I concentrate, but I already died to it so many times that I'll gladly give up one bomb just so I don't have to deal with it.

>>37346702
yeah, but it is a fucking digrace to me and all my ancestors to die or use a bomb so early on a fucking normal mode, I've started playing the games a week ago but I'm very critical of myself
I swear I'm slowly going schizoid, can't even focus fully as I'm battling my own thoughts just calling me too weak and imagining people laughing at me, even the fucking clock feels like it's taunting me

>>37344782
But this thread said UFO bad

>>37345725
>>37347404
>I alt+f4-ed when meiling got me
Just try to keep calm and keep playing.
Bombs exist to be used. Wasting one early may seem bad, but it's still a thousand times better than dying while having bombs.

>>37346702
>>37347404
I bombed Icicle Fall with 0 hesitation when I played EoSD. After I went back to it months later it looked a lot simpler than I remember it being but you can still get caught in the criss cross if you hesitate.

>can't even focus fully as I'm battling my own thoughts just calling me too weak and imagining people laughing at me
The truth of the matter is that absolutely nobody cares about what you play, what you accomplish (unless you're a lunatic level god) or how bad you are so playing for validation from random strangers feels stupid to me. Play the games because you enjoy them and want to test your own limits. "Take it easy" is unironically some of the best advice you can get.

>>37346772
>>37348808
Glad im not the only one

>>37345725
>>37347404
If bombs weren't supposed to be used, they wouldn't be in the game. Everyone's weird brain behaves differently and people will have their own sticking spots. Doing a 1cc when you're starting out is as much as about proper resource managment (not dying with bombs, and just dying as little as possible) as it is about being good.
Some advice from a fellow newish player:
Attempt to get a higher score on the first few stages for the sake of extra lives which will let you make more mistakes later. The point items give more if they're collected higher up on the screen and when at full power you can fly up to the top to suck up all of them, which you've probably noticed yourself. When bosses drop a bunch of point items, they'll give you enough time to fly up past the point of collection and then get back down. Every life gained is also more bombs to spend.
Try a different shot type if you haven't yet to get a better feel for the game and see how its advantages and disadvantages actually play out. I perfer Reimu B over A since bosses die quicker even if stage 4 is harder with needles, partially because of those swarms of 1hp enemies and partially because Patchouli has a few insanely evil spellcards ready for Reimu B.
Don't play these game on an empty stomach. The hunger can impede the focus and result in stupid deaths. I've had better results playing drunk than whilst famished.
Try a few runs on hard for EoSD/PCB. Use continues and just see how far you go to just get better so when you go back to normal it'll feel much less intense and more manageable than before.
Don't let stupid mistakes get to you, restart if its early (stage 1-2) or press on if its later. My first 1cc of EoSD (and in general) happned after by some miracle my crippled, retarded ass managed to fail to pick up the 1up that midboss Sakuya drops on her stage. Remilia was slain with 0 lives yet, but damn did it feel good to pull through and still win in spite of something so idiotic.

>>37346702
>>37347404
Look man I'm a Lunatic level player and 95% of my deaths are on Stage 1 or 2 of any game
don't worry about it and move on, worrying about the things like that is how you psyche yourself out of a run

>>37347737
>MoF is okay, a bit on the easy side so and really forgettable aside from Kanako, powerbombs suck
>SA is fun for a while but gets really stale after bashing your head against the wall for long enough, again powerbombs suck but even more since you don't have a freebie bomb due to 4 power cap
>TD is too easy and stages 1-3 are forgettable, but is otherwise pretty good
UFO is personally the most fun I've had with the 2nd windows gen games as a normalshitter. It's reasonably hard, has an interesting resource system that rewards risk taking and on the fly decision making (life or bombs), with solid characters and OST all across the board.

>>37341922
Not him but double spoiler is almost entirely routing and memo so if you can get through that without help you’re definitely capable

>>37347404
But what if your performance is poor because of stress which is caused by your self-imposed rule not to bomb during early stages?

>>37349217
I fucking hate TD resource system and Seiga's curvy lasers, they're the main reason I havent clear the game yet, so I really not sure if I should buy 12, but if waifu is the reason to buy I should buy DDC. Or is 16,17, or 18 any better in terms of plot/gameplay? I got the feeling Backup Dancers are gonna cock block me from 1CC or even clearing the game though.

>>37350732
I fucking hate TD resource system and Seiga's curvy lasers, they're the main reason I havent clear the game yet
I didn't find them that bad. I did face Shou before her so I've already had my fair share of curvy laser rape. Seiga's look really tame in comparison.
>so I really not sure if I should buy 12
From what I've seen in terms of opinions you'll either love or hate the game, depending on how you feel about the UFO gimmick. 17 is similar to it, but the system is much more forgiving.
>Or is 16,17, or 18 any better in terms of plot/gameplay?
16 is pretty fun. The difficulty is on the tougher side but that's because it's balanced around using season releases to get out of tough situations. Once you get a good handle on them you'll find it pretty easy. I think it's a great choice if you've just cleared one of the harder entries (LoLK, SA, etc) and want to unwind with something a bit more casual and gimmick-free.
>I got the feeling Backup Dancers are gonna cock block me from 1CC
They definitely will, but they are simpler than they look once you figure out the trick to their patterns. Except stage 5 midboss Satono, fuck her. Bomb that shit the moment she comes in because it's just not worth trying to survive it.

>>37347737
When you play lunatic yeah, but in normal the bosses are fairly simple in their attacks and the only real thing you need to worry about is stocking up resources because losing lives punishes you are.

>>37350903
I don't know of any Lunatic level players that think UFO is a bad game.

>>37350978
time to meet your first

>>37347737
Personally, I love all mainline games.
The only caveat I'll add is PoFV. There's a lot I like in that game, and there's also a couple of things I hate.

am i the only man on the planet who doesnt like imperishable night?

>>37351149
Post scores.

>>37351323
The game is mechanically extremely solid. But for some reason I just never find it "fun".

>>37351323
I can't stand the extra. Too many glow bullets and Honest Man's Death is annoying even when you know the trick.

I love losing my 1cc on the last spell card of the last boss. It's so much fun.

>>37353270
It's great getting to the last boss, when your face or eyes start to itch.

Playing through DDC and passed through a laser in stage 4 as reimub. it was at the very tip

>>37350732
I found Seiga's laser to be manageable when I move to safe gaps actively rather than reacting to lasers getting close. It's not a wobbly zigzag kind of lasers so it's not that hard to figure out safe position beforehand.
>Or is 16,17, or 18 any better in terms of plot/gameplay?
Out of those 3 18 is the worst in terms of plot but best in terms of gameplay.
16 is pretty easy because it can be entirely bomb-skipped.

>>37355205
I just bought 14 and even Sekibanki feels hard already

>>37351323
It has lots of great stuff but also some questionable stuff. It's my least favorite of OG Windows Trilogy. Bombing system is particularly annoying.
>>37355443
14 is somewhere in the middle in terms of difficulty unless you play Sakuya A which is literally free 1cc. Make good use of point of collection resource farming.

>>37355625
Should I straight up use Sakuya now instead of my main even though I never use her in PCB?

>>37355716
If you want a free 1cc.
>even though I never use her in PCB?
Her shots are different in all games even though a couple gimmicks reappear in different iterations. I'm not a big fan of Sakuya in general but I like her shots always feel fresh.

Okina is my bitch.

>>37361508
Clearly not, if you've only done the Extra on easy mode.

>>37361843
Playing extra means giving Okina more attention she's so desperately seeking.

Finally, I almost had it earlier but I didn't know Remilia just turns into a fucking bat when you try to bomb her during final stage
I've actually started out playing this on hard but I couldn't beat Patchouli without using a continue so I settled for normal, still a solid challenge
I've had a bit of a >>37347404 meltdown yesterday, thanks for the tips and uh, cheering me up anons. In the end, all I had to do is take it easy and be a bit more trigger happy about the bombs, I just had to plan where I must and where I can deploy them if I feel the need to. Turns out master spark is all you need to solve an incident

Is going through all touhou games viable or are some of them not really worth it? I want to do TH7 after finishing the extra stage for TH6

>>37362193
>Is going through all touhou games viable
Assuming you mean the ordinal games, then short answer, yes. Completing all the routes in 9 is a lot of work, and that game is all bonus anyway, so you might want to just do one or two and then come back later. 15 is a miserable experience, but I can't in good conscience recommend not at least playing it on pointdevice.
Fairy Wars is good, but quite different, and hard. The other danmaku decimal games can be done in little chunks whenever, so definitely don't get hung up on trying to complete them before moving on. And personally I don't recommend the fighting games, but you might as well give them a shot and see if you like them.

Finished eosd on normal on my last continue...Still got a long way to go.

I haven't played TH11 in maybe a decade (kind of fell out with the series around that time, only in the last two years been playing any Touhou at all). I just picked it up again recently and god damn, this has quickly become one of my favorite shumps in general, and probably tied for my favorite Touhou mainline title IN being the other. I'm also appreciating how much I suck at Touhou style shumps anymore, I'm struggling to 1cc normal Marisa A even when with her huge bomb count seems to be the crutch character.

>>37362643
MarisaA has a lot of bombs but they're pretty shit and only give you a few seconds of invincibility. If you want a crutch character, ReimuC's bomb lets you skip everything up to Okuu's final card. Also having a relatively easy Satori is a huge boon.

>>37362193
They all worth playing but I'd save spinoffs for later.

>>37362723
>ReimuC
Thats the shot type I've probably played around the least with. I'll give it a try. Thanks for the feedback.

So what the fuck do you do in PoFV when the AI decides it doesn't want to die anymore? Is there a way force a hit or something? Or do you just eat shit and lose a life because the game randomly wanted to fuck you over?
What the fuck kind of retarded game design is it where the win condition is the game deciding that it likes you enough to let you move on anyways? Sometimes it just kills itself because why not and others it just refuses to get touched even once for minutes. It feels fucking dumb that you can sometimes win and others you get completely steamrolled while playing at the exact same level, simply because the game said so.

>>37362965
You cry
In PoDD there have been times where I got Yumemi down to 0.5 while I had 5 and then she defeats me. Multiple times in a row. in PoDD there's a thing called "Boss Panic" where the enemy just starts wigging out and throwing whatever it can at you to try to kill you asap. I think it's the same in PoFV

>>37362193
Well done.
>I want to do TH7 after finishing the extra stage for TH6
Good luck with that. I gave up and just jumped to PCB after a few days of trying, but that could be due to Patchouli making me pop a blood vessel whenever she shows up
Also try Sakuya A when you get there. Not only for the absurdly strong shot type and plentiful bombs but also for the amount of shit she talks.

>>37363154
Not him but is using Sakuya worth the trouble of facing Merlin? Also I find Reimu's lines in PCB hilarious.

>>37362395
i went from only being able to 4cc the game to 1ccing over the span of 3 days, mostly in a weekend. just keep practicing, also consider using thprac cuz it makes grinding out spells 10x easier

>>37363154
Not him but 1CC PCB with my first try today with Sakuya bomb spams, stupid busted character but 1CC is 1CC I guess. Also EX Chen is stupid, mad respect to people who cleared Ex with Marisa since I cant even reach Ran with Sakuya. Anw which character is good for TD?

>>37365709
>. Also EX Chen is stupid, mad respect to people who cleared Ex with Marisa since I cant even reach Ran with Sakuya.
MarisaA and SakuyaB are the two best for Ran imo. SakuyaB's bomb isn't for damage and it nets you the most cherry.
>Anw which character is good for TD?
Reimu is the best because she pulls the spirits towards her. Youmu is good if you're fine with cheesing the whole game. Learn where the fairies spawn, spawn camp them, and use trance to get more resources (it doubles the value of spirits)

>>37349201
>I'm a Lunatic level player and 95% of my deaths are on Stage 1 or 2 of any game
I find that hard to believe

>>37365709
>which character is good for TD?
Marisa is the worst. Collecting spirit with her is awful. She's too fast normally and too slow during bomb.
Sanae is ok.
Youmu is clunky to use at first and doesn't contribute much on early stages, but stage 5 with her is completely free.
Reimu is good I guess.

>>37352382
Honestly fuck everyone who says IN's Extra is one of the easier ones. In addition to what you said, Wu, Fujiyama Volcano, the fairy at the end of the stage right before Mokou, and some of the non spells are a huge pain in the ass. Out of all the Extras I've beat so far, IN is the only one in which I actually went out of my way to look up replays on how to cap some of those spells. Every other Extra I've either beat without needing replays or some anons gave me a webm or hint on one or two parts even if I didn't ask for it. Even Koishi was easier for me than Mokou

>>37367144
Well shit since I used her a lot. Guess Ill try ther others

>>37365709
>Anw which character is good for TD?
Reimu is good for beginners. Her homing shots make stages a lot easier.
Marisa is the usual high damage, harder to use shot. I'd say save her for last.
Sanae is just average, her non-focused spread is nice but her focused shot is really weird and hard to make the most of.
Youmu is the most unique of the lot. She takes a while to get used to but once you do she's broken as fuck. Her charge gets better range with more power and if you learn stages well you can position yourself to wipe out basically anything the moment it spawns. You will need to learn where to use focused and when to use non-focused shots though, mainly for bosses like Seiga and some of Miko's patterns.

Sanae feels the blandest to play but overall I wouldn't say any of the TD shots are bad.

So finally beat through 17.5 on normal with everyone. Gonna tackle hard. Any particular spell cards that I need to prepare for? I assume Okuu's
is one since damn that gave me a hard time in the beginning.
[spoilers]I hope that the rumors this is probably Tasofro's last game ever (not just Touhou) aren't true. Delays aside this honestly is pretty fun for what it is and I'd love more[/spoiler]

So finally beat through 17.5 on normal with everyone. Gonna tackle hard. Any particular spell cards that I need to prepare for? I assume Okuu's
is one since damn that gave me a hard time in the beginning.
I hope that the rumors this is probably Tasofro's last game ever (not just Touhou) aren't true. Delays aside this honestly is pretty fun for what it is and I'd love more

>>37367823
How about not contributing to spreading retarded "rumors"?

>>37364008
Don't know if this is the "objective" answer since i havent beaten it with all shot types (only done with Reimu B and Sakuya A) but considering all she has going for her, most likely. When you're unfocused your attacks cover a huge area and when you ARE focused they all shit fury on a single enemy without even needing to aim as long as you are in the same half of the screen as the target, so sticking onto them to do damage during bossfights is trivial and you can focus efforts on not getting killed. And really, even if the start of the Prismriver fight really is immensely more difficult for her, unless you are doing no bomb you shouldn't have problems large enough to prevent a 1cc.
Reimiu's good too since its not the "bumbling young woman with no initiative getting led around by the hand by her adoptive mom Yukari" version of her you have in IN and SA. I just like Sakuya's exchanges the most.

>>37365709
In my experience PCB is just in general easier than EoSD partially due to the helpful cherry mechanics and partially due to the bossess/levels themselves. Some really seem to have bad blood with stage 4 though which i dont quite get

>>37370066
>I just like Sakuya's exchanges the most.
She's kind of an asshole whenever she's alone outside of SDM.

>>37370399
Id be upset if that wasnt the case considering why she exists in the first place.

>>37351323
>finalB stage 6 gets unlocked the moment you beat finalA even with continues
>if you do that finalB will replace finalA on any future 1cc run
>finalB doesn't let you use any continues
>you can't practice finalB stage 6 without beating it, only use spell practice to get better at kaguya's cards
>so you have to actually 1cc the game under those restrictions
>until you 1cc finalB, you're locked out of 1cc'ing finalA unless you did it before unlocking finalB
>to 1cc finalA first, you'd have to lock yourself out of practicing Eirin and also not have spell practice unlocked
It would be my favourite game in the series if it didn't have that weird ass progression system that basically forces you to go into stage 6 with 4-5 lives and just brute force the final bosses instead of offering a comfortable way to learn how to fight them. That's my only real problem with it.

>>37370066
Both of those posts are actually mine. But I did 1CC EoSD first and desu, Sakuya being broken is a huge factor to my 1CC, although the similarity with those two are that I walked in Stage 6 with huge amount of lives(4 EoSD, 6 PCB) , screw up in dumb places and reached the final spells with zero lives and three bombs and managed to survive. Also about DDC, I kinda get it that the Sakuya abuse is about bombs abuse because of the large amount of bomb pieces, but how should you utilize her properly? Plus her bomb feels weird in DDC

>>37371696
>I kinda get it that the Sakuya abuse is about bombs abuse because of the large amount of bomb pieces, but how should you utilize her properly?
the real sakuya abuse is her damage exploit which is beyond absurd when used properly. but to get real results she needs some routing to be safe since you get the best results by staying close to the boss, which requires you to know when it's safe to do so and for how long.
even if you aren't doing that, playing her requires you to play around focus/unfocus constantly to get as many knives out as you can and maximize damage. other than that she is fairly standard, the knives are homing bullets so you don't have to worry about your positioning THAT much, and her bomb can be used as any other bomb, but you can also use it preemptively when you know you are about to deal with a hard section since the barrier will protect you without having to time anything perfectly.

>>37371696
>>37372221
DDC SakuyaA's real strength comes in her ability to slow down patterns with her knives. It basically turns down the difficulty against any boss before you even get into the potential extra bombs or damage exploits.

>>37372260
it would be a bigger deal if you had more control over knife detonation, as it is they end up exploding on their own which usually means that the bullet speed during bosses decreases and increases again in the middle of the attack anyways. it is more helpful during stage sections since you get to slow down enemies and kill them before they get to fire anything.
it does completely shred Raiko's survival to pieces at least which is always cool because fuck that card.

>>37372416
You can release focus to detonate them manually, which will let you time things better for the patterns with breaks in between.
Doing so is also great for Shinmyoumaru's patterns with her bowl since an explosion at the right time will get both hitboxes at once. Also worth timing her second non-spell so that the burst gets you past the worst of her fire bullets.

>>37256741
Beat EoSD Lunatic with MarisaA and B! Only took a week of practice compared to the 1-2 months for PCB. I really hate stage 2.

What am i supposed to do when Parsee does the clone move? I dont have problems with it usually but it sure causes me to be inconsistent

>>37372690
Stop shooting.

>>37372690
If you shoot the clone she shits big balls at you.

>>37372520
yes, you can make slowdown even shorter by releasing focus but you have the same issue against bosses anyways. ideally you would want to actually extend the period before detonation which would make it more versatile for bosses, but probably a bit too broken anyways so it's not a thing. although then again, if you weren't using knife detonations then your damage would be so garbage it would almost be a balanced trade-off.
not that it doesn't help for brief periods but in the end in most of those cases you still kinda have to dodge quite a bit at a regular speed anyways so to me it never really felt as life-changing as just nuking a boss while the attack is just getting started.

>>37372690
shoot the one firing small bullets
don't shoot the one firing big bullets
be extra careful with Suika and Nitori shots because the slow speed of them means they can still be there to hit the clone as they swap

>>37371355
>go into stage 6 with 4-5 lives and just brute force the final bosses
But that's how you clear every game, you get better and better at the early parts until eventually you can build up enough resources to make it through the later parts. And as you said, the game already spoils you like crazy by having Spell Practice. If you can't fill in the remaining little gaps by getting good, then you don't deserve the good ending; I think that's totally fair.

>>37372706
>>37372715
>>37372719
Well fuck me, and for that matter fuck Suika's drunken autoaim since that's who im using. thanks bros

>>37368901
anon put it behind a spoiler for a reason

>>37363004
>in PoDD there's a thing called "Boss Panic" where the enemy just starts wigging out and throwing whatever it can at you to try to kill you asap
I also thought it was something like that at first, but if you read the readme you'll realize it's not.
Boss panic is what you or the enemy get after reaching 300k on the spell point counter. It gives you both a free boss attack and a level 3 spell attack, which makes the boss' first attack harder to dodge.