/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>37250404
Is she getting gangbanged?

>>37250602
Yes
Pretty savagely

>>37245106
>>37246897
Mistaken for another game from the same circle.
Still, I have this game. It was either uploaded here or it is from nyaa.
anonfiles com pa28I8Tbuf

>>37250404
so even here the discord trannies can't drop their nigger dick obsession. rip

>>37251804
It's not what it looks like! She's pure!!!

Holy shit, the fucking lore, I thought this was just an AU but is Summer Salt actually canon?

>>37251804
>he can't understand the appeal to blacked porn
Cringe

So this is 見性.

>>37253582
Meanwhile in Majikoi
>Yamato having sex with random girl for the first time
>shoves 3 fingers up her asshole with no warning
>"wow you're a natural"
>shoves his fist/cock next
>girl ahegaos and wakes up to the pleasure of anal sex
>rise and repeat in every other route

>>37253582
>>37253538
Read more VNs, retarded newfags.
That's a common way to go about anal sex in many old VNs.

>アナル開発 is innovative these days

>>37253984
Yeah, they don't have enema scenes in nukitashi. Those were kino.

Where have you been when Edelweiss by inspire got confirmed as a masterpiece?

Luckily someone uploaded it last thread, so you can enjoy it.

>>37254082
>A10
Literally who?

>>37250602
no it's something else and is meant to fuck with you, i remember seeing this years ago

Do you know this relatively old VN from the 2000's?
It was about an island being under threat by a meteor and the mc has a cute loli neighbour coming over everyday, cause she liked him.
It has a nicely done nihilistic vibe to it, where they knew they were fucked but tried to make the best of their time alive.

>>37254098

https://vndb.org/v420

>>37254082
Wake me up when t2 gives it a good score

>>37254102
cute

>>37254102
thanks man, i loved the setting and the cute loli it had, any others like it, that's positive nihilistic or kinda surreal?

>>37254124
I don't think you know what nihilism means

>>37254130
They deal with their death that's coming in three months from the meteor,

>>37254135
So?

>>37254143
They change their outlook on life and live it to the fullest and deal with their upcoming death.

>>37254145
That has nothing to do nihilism

>>37254150
nihilism is believing that nothing matters, whether it be negative and thinking nothing you do matters and living depressed and giving up on stuff.
Or that nothing really matters in the end, so just enjoy it without worrying.
Their lives don't matter after the three months, dreams, hopes for the future don't exist, they won't be alive and be dead after the three months, people panic but you could also make the best of it and see what life has to offer.

>>37254158
Meme tier understanding of nihilism lol

That VN about the meteor crashing sounds depressing as fuck and reminds me of eden, just to be safe not gonna read it. The I've BGM is tempting but nope.

What are some games where all the philosophy happens during the h scenes?
I don't care too much about what the message is but a coomer's gotta coom and Nukitashi was lacking in the eroticism department (art style problem maybe?).

>>37254270
Daraku royal seishoujo

>>37254270
>Nukitashi was lacking in the eroticism department
It was too vanilla and bland for such a setting

All this talk about philosophy in erotic games of all things.
Have any VNs even changed your life in any way whatsoever, big or small? Technically picking up japanese to read them sort of counts as changing your life, but I mean besides that.

>>37254426
I don't think any VN gave me a new perspective or improved my worldview in any significant way.

>>37254426
Nah, I learn more from having an actual life, friends and reading nonfiction than VNs. I only read eroge for escapism and have no delusions of expecting life-changing knowledge from them.

>>37254448
>having an actual life, friends
doubt

>>37254471
>Projecting

>>37254471
He's probably a nukigechad like me
We aren't mentally ill suicidal fucks like plotge cucks
We aren't manchildren like chuunige retards
We aren't fat incels like moebutas
We aren't failed normalfags like dramage fags

>>37254438
How about smaller scale stuff than that? Like picking up an activity because a character did it in the VN, or visiting a place mentioned in the story.
Personally I gave Shining Force a try since a gamer heroine kept referencing it.

>>37254506
>Like picking up an activity because a character did it in the VN
They made me try petplay irl and it didn't turn out well

>>37254506
Characters do nothing but talk about food or games in VNs.

So did the school actually stick a bunch of modern art-styled triangular/square lights in a pond? Why?

Oh my God those H scenes in kazusa normal route are so imbued with emotion they feel cringe

>>37250404
What is epitome of the anti-素晴らしき日々 VN? Something that stands against everything 素晴らしき日々 stands for. We need it in our times...

>>37254581
Maybe to seem deep? Art is deep.

>>37254124
>>37254098
Did you found a working download link?

>>37254506
I looked into buying cameras because of Koinaku, but it's gotten so expensive now

>>37251097
Thanks friend, will add it to my collection and maybe consider possibly thinking about actually playing it one day in the distant future

>>37254903
Bogged

Too much spoonfeeding in this general

Too much whining in this thread, nobody likes a whiner.
Go whine to your mom.

>>37254581
I don't fucking know, rich people at some point kept smelly hobos in their property in order to entertain guests.
They'll do whatever they fucking want.

When will VNs become good again? This year's pretty abysmal.

>>37254956
Unfortunately never

>>37254956
Fortunately never

>>37254426
Subahibi changed my life, now I'm reading philosophy articles instead of vns.

Are Jinguuji Rio and Ahara Nono the same person?

Compare the art
https://vndb.org/v501
https://vndb.org/v1842

>>37255513
No one cares lol

>>37255513
I had the same thought when someone posted Edel.

>>37255513
Jinguuji has a softer touch.

>>37254631
Can't help but love those scenes since Kazusa's dopey laughs and moaning is so well voice acted.

>>37254426
Oretsuba made me want to go outside and talk to people more.

>>37256627
So you did go outside and got a gf and a bunch of buddies, right?

>>37256627
If only cute girls and quirky weirdos orbit around your cock for no reason like in oretsuba lol

>>37254956
But this year had Tsuki R.

>>37256692
Shut the fuck up about your cucksole cashgrab remake

>>37250404
what vn?

>>37256710
>your
Damn, how did you know I post on 4chan?

>>37256725
Use saucenao nigga

>>37256755
I'll be perfectly honest, i have no clue why i forgot saucenao existed just then

>>37253956
Source?

>>37256725
The title is in the image, retard.

>>37256710
It may be cashgrab of consolers and nasu may be a greedy dick but it still doesn't make the remake itself any worse, it won't even be an exaggeration to call it one of the best vn remakes ever made so far

>>37256646
He wouldn't be here if he actually did that lmao

>>37256692
One VN
That too a remake

>>37257463
There were also a few kamige like Meikei no Lupercalia and Slow Damage, and a bunch of higher than average like Fuyukuru and Monkeys, so the year definitely wasn't worthless
Also Sousaku Kanojo and a new key game coming soon that can have some potential as well

Started playing Natsugamike because of posters in the previous thread, im no NTR connoisseur but I've played NTR games before thought the scenes were hot coomed and went on with my day. I thought this game would be like those but jesus christ this game gets you way too emotionally invested with characters during the long build up and I've decided I'm going to quit while im ahead I'm not a big enough cuck to sit and read 8+ hours to know MC and I are about to get devastated and just eat that shit up fuck that I'm out. I haven't gotten to any of the actual scenes yet but I've read enough to take a shot in the dark and possibly be right with the dude she is cucking MC with and why she's doing it and all I have to say is FUCK Haruna, shes a retarded whore. NTRfags that actually enjoy this are a different breed.

>>37257542
>kamige
>>>>>>Meikei no Lupercalia and Slow Damage
>higher than average
>>>>>>Fuyukuru and Monkeys
The absolute state of your standards

>>37257618
Wonder to hear what would be your examples of "high standards" that came out in recent years then

>>37257618
Back to /vn/.

>>37257542
Monkeys is below average as fuck

>ignoring kaminukige

>>37257542
>Meikei no Lupercalia
If this is kamige then eroge medium is dead. I mean it's not bad but it's not anything special either. It's just okay.

>>37257739
It's surely not for everyone's taste and I can see why people can dislike it, but if you are a fan of theater performances you going to absolutely love this one because no vn managed to accomplish anything nearly close as Lupercalia did here

>>37257611
Giga spoiler in pic if you want to see if your guess is right
I told you I enjoyed it because I didn't know the route would end in NTR. Without reading my previous spoilers you just couldn't be 100% sure either way. I thought the breathing in the phone was bait and she was masturbating, also thought she was masturbating when she visited (my) house when her nipples were poking through the pajamas. To be honest I wanted to just finish this route, consider it as just a happy moege and then drop it because I knew I would get too devastated from the NTR. But then it turned out there are no routes. There is no escape. Yeah, she just wanted to make MC happy by mending his family, but she's obviously mentally retarded and has no conscience, because she's not bothered by cheating on MC whatsoever as long as it "helps" him. Also her motives clearly shift mid-way through.

>>37257703
You mixed up your Role Players image with your Tomefure image, silly mistake

>>37254702
Bump

>>37255756
Fuck off, EOP subhuman.

>>37255908
Could be his art changing in the three years between the games.

>>37257971
Didn't ask

>>37257611
It is kind of impressive because I think the guy could actually write a decent, normal game if he really wanted to. The SoL scenes and humor were all pretty fun.

>>37258268
Option 1 - write a normal slightly dark charage
Option 2 - write a memorable heartbreaker

Is there anyone here who knows about music converting and such?
What do you do if you extracted music from vn with garbro but it is all really low quality?
For example, I extracted music from the Hoshimemo remake but it's all 90~150 kbps quality and .ogg format
What are the ways to improve the music quality, is just converting it to 320 kbps through Audacity enough or there is a better way to do it, and also which format is the best to convert it

>>37259659
does it actually sound low quality or are you just looking at numbers and calling it low quality

>>37259699
Yes it sounds way too quiet, much worse than it was in the vn

Doesn't garbro just extract raw files without converting? Pretty sure you won't get it higher quality than that no matter what you do.

>>37259718
If it just gets raw files then I don't get why it sounds worse than in game

>>37259718
There is an option for conversion

>>37259659
maybe you need to normalize it, try asking on /g/ if you're too retarded

>>37259764
i just tried it with and without that option enabled and the result was the exact same

>>37259659
>>37259708
>>37259789
Does it actually have lower quality or is it purely a volume difference? It's entirely possible to amplify without quality loss which is maybe what the VN engine did. Although I'd just tell you to not be a faggot and turn the volume up.

>>37259934
I see, I will try it out then
So there is no point in converting it to higher kbps or different formats etc?

>>37259997
>So there is no point in converting it to higher kbps or different formats etc?
Yeah don't do that. That's completely retarded.

>>37259997
conversion will only ever reduce quality
you can't convert to higher quality

I love the Danny Boy scenes in Monkeys

>>37259659
>is just converting it to 320 kbps
No, Please. You are recompressing in another lossy format. You're losing audio information and the final file will take more space /facepalm

You might want to look at ways of eliminating compression artifacts, and become sound engineer along the way.

>>37260049
there are some lines in this fucking game i just don't get

>>37257337
That's only because remakes are overwhelmingly terrible. It might not be an absurd linear downgrade, but in exchange for its improved presentation and additional character development you got the single worst story Nasu has ever written.

>>37260663
>you got the single worst story Nasu has ever written
I have not read any of them but I am pretty confident that several of the Nasu-written FGO chapters/whatever are way worse. Anyways the plot of Tsuki R's near side was way better than the original near side.

>>37260663
Ok, now you're just being a contrarian

>>37260677
The plot of Arc's route was basically identical except they inserted a bunch of loose ends presumably for Red Garden.

Ciel's has her basically give zero fucks about Roa, completely removing their confrontation or her apprehensiveness to using his magecraft Instead of Arc and Shiki growing apart naturally leading up to Roa's death, the progression is extremely jarring while Roa is an even bigger wet fart than in Kohaku's route, skipping his decadence as a threat across each route. The love triangle is more essential to the story despite being more unique than the original Ciel route and revolves around the characters being dumbasses and talking past each other in a bunch of repetitive tea room scenes backed by a non-conflict of garbage collection. It wouldn't be acceptable for a random misunderstandings romcom LN. Nasu's FGO chapters at least have the benefit of being cohesive stories, even if the cameraman is a bit of a joke and some people find the scope distasteful (in which case Luminous Arc is a far greater offender).

>>37260663
I prefer the old one overall but the character designs (not the clothes) is very close to the original. That alone makes it not a bad looking remake.

>>37260827
>Roa
Yeah I think we're probably going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Roa was a lame as fuck villain in the original Ciel route. I'm glad he was taken out (the SHIKI version that is). Focusing more on Shiki dealing with the possession is a 1000x more interesting. As for the "random misunderstandings" accusations, that didn't actually happen and you made that up. As for other strengths of the redone Ciel's route, the addition of Noel is excellent. She servers as a great foil to Ciel and constantly reminds Ciel of her guilt and her inability to to move on from her past. This was given much more focus in the remake and I think it is way better for it.

>>37260881
>taken out
I meant "I'm glad he was taken out even earlier".

>>37257980
Still doubt it.
From an illustration perspective, the cgs in Edelweiss had more interesting camera angles and scene composition than Bengachou.
Not to rag on him, but in my eyes, Jinguuji had a better grasp of space and utilized foreshortening more effectively around 2006 than Ahara did in 2009.

Rumor has it that Jinguuji retired and is doing normal stuff now while Ahara's linked pages are still active with occasional art.

>>37260827
Roa's always been a jobber who basically only exists so that Shiki can completely annihilate him in Arc's route, has ONE scene where he dies like a bitch in Ciel's route (and then some flashbacks to explain his backstory and philosophy), and isn't even in the rest of the game. The remake made him a way bigger and more important character than he ever was in the original and actually gave him some shit to do in Ciel's route too.
>>37260881
I dunno, I'm not fond of either Noel or Arach because they both fall into the "I am the wacky older woman character who makes funny faces and says silly things but I'm actually secretly crazy and evil!" trope. One of them would be fine but together they just seem kinda redundant and they both exist to add more antagonists to a story that didn't really need more antagonists. It feels like Nasu just really likes that archetype.

>>37260914
Well I will reserve judgement on Arach until the next part, but I think Noel's place is justified pretty well with regards to her relationship with Ciel.

>>37260881
>Roa was a lame as fuck villain in the original Ciel route
Like I said he decays over the course of the VN. SHIKI starts out as a very threatening mystery, but after his first defeat he still remains a dangerous enemy to those other than Arc and Shiki in the brief time we see h. Roa's mystery is dispelled in Shiki's dream at the end of Ciel's, and in Akiha's SHIKI is shown clearly as an unfortunate and unstable boy wreaking havoc. In Hisui's his death is sad and pathetic as his role as antagonist is passed to Kohaku, and then and only then does he die offscreen at the beginning. This is a prominent element of the story that has been completely derailed in its current state.
>Focusing more on Shiki dealing with the possession is a 1000x more interesting.
Yeah except they didn't actually add anything to this other than dragging out the headaches over a few extra days and cut out the goofy Roa boner, and I would not say Broa is much better than that.
>As for the "random misunderstandings" accusations
And you made up that I ever said this. I said the characters are dumbasses who talk past each other. I likened the stupidity of this driving force to misunderstanding romcom LNs. I did not say they were one and the same.
>constantly reminds Ciel of her guilt and her inability to to move on from her past. This was given much more focus in the remake and I think it is way better for it.
You mean the thing Ciel didn't actually do and feels guilty for in spite of just being another victim? In her relationship with Noel who she constantly treats like shit and never tries to make amends or relate to her? Where she spouts platitudes about repentance while being a terrible person to Arcueid and Noel while making no effort to change? I'm not the first one to say this, but it's easily contrasted with Kiritsugu and Shirou's relationship and just adds to the layers of hypocrisy to this route's themes.

>>37260914
See above but I'll admit the Roa dreams are one thing that the new Ciel route absolutely improved on. I think Noel's personality is also pretty appropriate because it emphasizes that she's an emotionally stunted 14-year-old on the inside. She really wasn't needed for Ciel's story when they could have just played up her conflict with Roa, who represents pretty much the same thing while still concerning the rest of the story and being more interesting in his own right.

>>37261285
>This is a prominent element of the story that has been completely derailed in its current state.
No it hasn't. Assuming you just want Roa's threat level to decrease as you go route by route, there's literally no reason why this still can't happen. Roa is just as big of a threat to Shiki in Tsuki R Ciel as he was in the original. Some mostly throwaway school scene being taken out doesn't change that.
>Yeah except they didn't actually add anything to this other than dragging out the headaches over a few extra days
You're typing this like it's some kind of bad thing. Yes, I like reading about the main character struggle. Especially since this is Tsukihime where one of the whole appeals is Shiki having mental breakdowns.
>And you made up that I ever said this. I said the characters are dumbasses who talk past each other. I likened the stupidity of this driving force to misunderstanding romcom LNs. I did not say they were one and the same.
My mistake. I misunderstood you. Either way, I don't really understand what you mean by this. Arc acts dumb exactly like in the original. Not sure what else there is here.
>You mean the thing Ciel didn't actually do and feels guilty for in spite of just being another victim?
I'm going to stop you right here. That's literally her entire character. She felt guilty in the original too. I don't really get where you are going with this. Yes, she is hypocritical (like in the original) as well. That's kind of the point. It's called having flaws. She grows and changes.

>>37261499
>there's literally no reason why this still can't happen
Because Roa and SHIKI are distinguished from one another now and Roa's death is almost identical to the one in Kohaku. They may do something different with it later, but the structure is now far messier if they choose to do the same thing. It does not portend good things.
>Some mostly throwaway school scene
Are you shitting me? The only direct confrontation between Ciel and Roa, the consciousness of her mortal enemy and the scene where Arcueid kills him and wordlessly distances herself from Shiki is throwaway? Did you even read it?
>Yes, I like reading about the main character struggle.
Except Shiki doesn't struggle with them at all. It's hamfisted foreshadowing that distresses him significantly less than his normal anemia.
>Not sure what else there is here.
Primarily Shiki and Ciel discussing his involvement with Arcueid and participation in the vampire hunts, which can be seen in all the tea room scenes and a few other places. Even disregarding Ciel's unjust prejudice, you don't see how the information they shared with one another was ignored or mishandled in any way?
>She grows and changes.
The whole problem is that she doesn't though. Her flaws are completely disregarded by the entire story in favor of a non-issue which is treated as a real one. This was a problem in the original as well. It was less jarring in the original because it doesn't give her crippling emotional distress and wasn't developed until Kagetsu Tohya.

What are some good early-mid 2000 eroge that only work on Win Xp/VMware? I wanna test some some while I'm at it.

>>37261568
>Roa's death is almost identical to the one in Kohaku.
He gets killed offscreen by Arc original Ciel route. In the remake, he also gets killed offscreen by Arc. Seems pretty much the same to me.
>The only direct confrontation between Ciel and Roa
It's not actually that important though. The most meaningful thing from that scene is revealing Ciel's immortality. At that point in time, the reader doesn't know much about Ciel at all and certainly not why she considered Roa her mortal enemy. It's not like it's some kind of "final showdown" taken out. It's mostly just a device used to introduce you to Ciel's weirdness. The remake does it in other ways (mainly Arc vs Ciel fight) so it's really not that big of a deal.
>Except Shiki doesn't struggle with them at all. It's hamfisted foreshadowing that distresses him significantly less than his normal anemia.
I don't get what you mean by "hamfisted". It does cause him to collapse in class though.
>Even disregarding Ciel's unjust prejudice, you don't see how the information they shared with one another was ignored or mishandled in any way?
No, I have literally no idea what you mean. Be specific.
>Her flaws are completely disregarded by the entire story
But they aren't? Her flaws literally cause several conflicts. I don't know what you mean.

>>37261568
>>37261609
As an aside, I'd say Roa was the most dangerous by far in Ciel's route in the original as well as the remake so I don't even agree with your interpretation of this.

>>37261609
Causing problems, having a conflict with the lead protagonist, and being foreshadowing future problems is hugely different from dying without even meeting them before anything happens, yes. We don't directly see SHIKI die in Ciel's route, but we are there when it happens and it's a direct result of Shiki's actions. Being bad in the original isn't precedent to cut it out in favor of something with less potential benefit to the story, it's precedent to rewrite and improve it.
>I don't get what you mean by "hamfisted".
Its purpose is overly obvious.
>It does cause him to collapse in class though.
His anemia did that multiple times, depending on your choices, once leading to a dead end.
>Be specific
Basically Ciel completely disregards how causality works and assigns blame for all things in descending order Arcueid > Ciel > Roa > Shiki. Everything Shiki tells her should indicate that Arcueid is to be trusted yet she constantly accuses Arcueid of things Ciel herself is guilty of (such as lying to, withholding information from, or being nice to manipulate Shiki with false trust) ultimately to convince Shiki to cooperate with herself instead and refuses to acknowledge Shiki is doing this because he wants to even when he outright tells her he does. Likewise, everything Ciel tells Shiki in an attempt to convince him that she's an untrustworthy threat not only makes Arcueid look like the victim, not the cause (much like Ciel herself, and would have been a great point for Ciel to realize alongside relinquishing her own personal guilt and relate to Arcueid), but going 800 years without drinking blood despite already succumbing to her impulse highlights that she has greater temperance than a saint. Neither Shiki nor Ciel recognize this contradiction in the information she gives.
>But they aren't? Her flaws literally cause several conflicts.
They aren't treated as flaws by the story and she never addresses them. In fact, despite being responsible for most problems, Shiki exonerates her by accepting all of that responsibility on himself basically every time.

>>37261621
Again, it worked around SHIKI and Roa being one entity. There's a horror element to Roa's influence over Shiki, but once he opens up about it and avoids getting killed by Ciel he basically gets exorcised with mad sexx0r. It's a different form of threat and mystery, but it is not more dangerous.

>>37261775
>Causing problems, having a conflict with the lead protagonist, and being foreshadowing future problems is hugely different from dying without even meeting them before anything happens, yes.
It's not meaningfully different. Roa causes them far, far more problems later by possessing Shiki. I don't see this as important or a negative thing really.
>Basically Ciel completely disregards how causality works and assigns blame for all things in descending order...
It literally just sounds like you're mad that Ciel doesn't like/trust Arceuid. I don't know what to tell you anon. Yes, of course Ciel will tells Shiki bad things about her constantly. That's always been her character and the original is the same way.
>They aren't treated as flaws by the story and she never addresses them. In fact, despite being responsible for most problems, Shiki exonerates her by accepting all of that responsibility on himself basically every time.
I don't get it. If directly causing several conflicts (as you just agreed with) doesn't count as being treated as a flaw in the story what does? Also Ciel literally kills herself in the normal ending to save Shiki so how does that not count as her taking responsibility?

>It's a different form of threat and mystery, but it is not more dangerous.
I don't agree. In Arc's route, Roa is a basically a pushover that gets killed because he's too busy being an arrogant retard. In Ciel's route, he's far more insidious and dangerous. Ciel sexing Shiki only temporary calms him down, right after that he goes haywire again and Shiki is on the brink of being taken over. It takes a gargantuan effort to resolve it in both the original and remake.

Meanwhile, me:
"Haha, hamerican hot dog"

Alright, I finally finished KKK. Fucking hell, incredible game. Obviously I have to make this comparison, but I'd say overall it's better than Dies Irae although I think the climax of Dies Irae is better. Regardless, both are kamige so it's all good here. Anyways, one thing I really liked about KKK (aside from the aesthetics which are gorgeous) was that I felt the character/emotional moments were a lot stronger than in Dies Irae. I teared up like a bitch quite a few times. Another point in its favor is KKK is probably the most well voice-acted game I have ever played. Well much of the excellent cast from Dies Irae shows up so top-notch quality was already a given. I dunno probably everyone here gave the performance of their lifetime. Habaki doing the hot-blooded hero thing, Rindou given passionate speeches, Ryuumei unleashing the fucking slap, Yatou losing his shit, etc. Everyone sounded incredible. The amount of games where I literally reached for the volume knob to turn it up just so I could make the voices even louder I could count on one hand.

The themes used in this were pretty nice. It of course borrows the love of the 刹那 from Dies Irae, but I was a pretty big fan of the 魂 motif. It's pretty simple, but considering the characters live in a world where people literally are just puppets dancing to the tune of 波旬, it's fitting. As the characters conquering their inner struggles and conflicts, they finally truly gain a soul. This reaches its final point when Rindou conquers her fear of destroying/killing Habaki and literally gets her heartbeat back. It's a good touch. I think this is probably the most single creative sequel I've ever read. It's really meta-aware at times with the passing of the torch/moving on to the next generation thing. Also, the final epilogue as a final way to wrap up all the characters and send them off was amazing. It was obvious who everyone was going to meet with at each of the four branches, but even still I loved all of their final conversations. Especially the rooftop scene with Rea, Ren, Habaki, and Rindou.

tl;dr: Easily kamige. Not sure when I'll play something this good again.

>>37260663
Why are modern artists such a coward on applying shadows?
Their art looks flat as fuck because of it.

BRAVO NASU

>>37261285
A big assumption you're making here is that Akiha/Hisui/Kohaku's routes are even going to remotely resemble the original, when Saiki and Arach mean they're going to be wildly different. There's no way Nasu releases Hisui's route, where Shiki spends 80% of the time lying in bed slowly going insane, without any changes, people would riot, there's one fight in the entire route and it's a couple lines long. Plus even if they were all the exact same the addition of the Satsuki route would probably kill the "Roa gets weaker every route" thing because there's no way he won't have a big role in that route. Of course, we're like another 6 years away from Nasu actually finishing this goddamn VN, so who knows.

>>37263275
Yeah it's pretty dumb but it's fun as fuck - and isn't that the whole point of chuuni?

>>37263336
nothing about ciel true was fun, it was just retarded and 3 times as long as it should have been.

>>37257991
Just like a nigger won't ask when he randomly punches you to death. Hope it's soon.

>>37263953
>Just like a nigger won't ask when he randomly punches you to death.
Speaking from experience? Lol

>>37263953
You seem to have went through some shit, bro.

>>37263336
Anything dumb and retarded isn't automatically fun

Are you fucking kidding me? THAT'S what got them to finally act?

>>37262949
Is it true that KKK is an unironic reference to klu klux klan?

Is die irae worth reading if I am neither into nazis nor into that garbage prewar German philosophy that nazis were into?

What's your ideal VN structure? Common route, then branches? Branches leading into a similar common end? Totally linear? Different simultaneous routes?

>>37264254
I don't think so considering it is completely based on Goethe, Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, heidegger etc

>>37264254
It has absolutely nothing to do with Nazis other than the outfits the characters wear and their names. Masada liked the aesthetic and thinks it's cool to name his characters after real people, but they don't resemble the real people they're named after in the slightest, or Nazis at all. You could change them being nazis out for anything else and it would change nothing. It doesn't matter.

>>37264254
It's fun chuunishit. Read it.

>>37264293
>It has absolutely nothing to do with Nazis other than the outfits the characters wear and their names
They do nazis stuff here and there, and much of their worldview is based on actual existing German philosophy of that time

>>37264320
>They do nazis stuff here and there
like allow women, genetic freaks, and homosexual prostitutes to become senior members of their elite aryan alliance?
>and much of their worldview is based on actual existing German philosophy of that time
I didn't realize "I don't enjoy anything except killing so I want to make everyone kill each other forever" and "I want to watch my clone son fuck my waifu" was 1930s german philosophy.

>>37264293
>It has absolutely nothing to do with Nazis
Eh...
There certainly is stuff here and there, both on an aesthetic level and in the personal philosophy of some of the characters. You'd have to be a special kind of faggot to let that stop you from enjoying it, however.

>>37264254

>>37264348
You can go back to Twitter now.

>>37264334
I don't know if you're just trolling or being serious. It directly references German philosophy all the time lmao

>>37264348
He's unironically true here for the most part except that it can be only enjoyed by chuunifags

>>37264334
>homosexual
>he doesn't know

>>37264367
> It directly references German philosophy all the time lmao
That's exactly right, it references it. It doesn't actually do anything or matter in the slightest, it just sometimes has a character say a Nietzsche quote. How deep. It has absolutely nothing to do with anything of actual substance and is solely there because Masada thinks it's cool to quote Nietzsche. It's literally a skin. It doesn't matter. It's there for people like >>37264348 who confuse reference for substance.

>>37264384
To be fair it is cool to quote Nietzsche.

>>37264384
Character motivations, thematic exploration, all that shit is partly derived from philosophy. It chuunifies plot events but it's not meaningless fun wtf
You're just too dumb to connect dots

I guess we wait for the inevitable thread derail now that one of the Horsemen has been brought up.
>>37264367
There is a difference between referencing something and actually incorporating it into the characters, Anon. Would you say Tokyo Necro's "philosophy" is based on Herodotus because of that one quote?

I can't believe Salete's philosophy is based on the philosophy of actual comedians at the time.

>>37264393
>You go to women? Do not forget the whip!
Same

>>37264420
I can. Art imitates life and all that.

>>37264421
Lol no one quotes his good shit
>Acquire that enormous energy of greatness in order, on the one hand by breeding and on the other by annihilating millions of those that have turned out badly, to shape the future human being and not to perish because of the pain that one creates and that is of a like one has never seen before.

Philosophers are just too stupid to do real science

>>37264569
>dude I'm just gonna repeatedly ask you pointed questions about whatever you believe to demonstrate why it's flawed but never actually clarify my own beliefs or suggest alternatives lmao oh no I'm being executed lol

>>37264569
Agreed. Imagine asking retarded questions over and over and thinking you can determine the nature of reality from your armchair. Fucking dumbasses.

>>37264569
People in stem fields do better philosophy than philosophers lol

>>37264610
Me too

>>37264569
They're not mutually exclusive.

>>37264670
Why are you concerning yourself with the meaning of meaning?

>>37264348
picked up. based kastel-sama.

>>37264348
That's such a weird misinterpretation of Nietzsche

Ahh kino prose.

>>37262949
Fuck off

When are we getting a ParaLost remake anyway?

>>37264348
Unfortunate that he had to become trans.

>>37265041
Thank you for advertising your VNDB profile, I suppose? Is this what oversocialization does?

>>37265041
Llee is too based for this shithole lol

>>37265138
Such is the fate of everyone who doesn't fap to eroge.

>>37264348
>people who read real literature and don't consume japanese media at all will definitely like this eroge I like
why are these e-celebs so deluded?

>>37265216
He trolls subahibi and musicus all the time here

>>37265331
That's not him

>>37264348
It's always funny to see these fans insist it's nothing like Fate when that's the most interesting part

>>37254702
This

Wonder how Mr.Kew is doing today

Why I had to wake up to another eceleb thread

>>37264569
>>37264599
>>37264606
>>37264684
imagine so confidently dismissing a 2500 year old academic discipline when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, kind of embarrassing to read to be honest.

If you think philosophy is just a worse form of science I don't know what to tell you, except maybe read a book or something.

>>37265759
dilate

>>37265759
>if something is old then we should respect it
Ok, same with old shit like slavery. Philosophers did nothing but rationalize their prejudices and fantasies before pomo happened, and the best philosophers aren't actually from philosophy discipline.

>>37265759
If you actually look at history philosophers did more harm than anything good, provided more confusion than clarity, fed the masses with conceptual hallucinations that benefitted their race or class or whatever.

>He emphasized to Reeve that, unlike his own subject of medicine, philosophy was absolutely useless, and that unless you were compelled to do it, there was no point in pursuing it.
>Wittgenstein told his class that it is much more revealing and important when you find this sort of confusion in something said ‘in a silly detective story’ than it is when you find it in something said ‘by a silly philosopher’
>A recurrent theme of Wittgenstein’s lectures for that year was his concern to uphold, against philosophers, our ordinary perception of the world. When a philosopher raises doubts, about time or about mental states, that do not occur to the ordinary man, this is not because the philosopher has more insight than the ordinary man, but because, in a way, he has less; he is subject to temptations to misunderstand that do not occur to the non-philosopher
>For the clarity that we are aiming at is indeed complete clarity. But this simply means that the philosophical problems should completely disappear. The real discovery is the one that makes me capable of stopping doing philosophy when I want to. – The one that gives philosophy peace, so that it is no longer tormented by questions which bring itself in question.

Looks like someone wants to justify his useless philosophy degree lmao

>>37265759
Philosophy is a useless discipline with no purpose or practical application. "Philosophers" are a blight, as evidenced by a quick glance through history.

>>37265842
the only philosopher that matters

>>37265719
Just PM me and stop shitposting.

>>37265734
You're dealing with Discord addicts who claim to hate Discord, e-celebs who hate other e-celebs and want to force their drama into every avenue possible, and all around attention whores with a lack of self-awareness. Just report and ignore, and hope that any of the retards saddled with administrative duties of any sort can fix the problem.

>>37265867
ok but you're still not a woman

>>37265867
>>37265734
Samefag tranny

looking at the replies I'm not even going to bother arguing, like justifying math to someone who can't even count to ten.

>>37265867
>wahhh waaaah why isn't janny babysitting this general and deleting everything that I hate
Kill yourself and back to r*ddit

See? Petulant children that can only really shriek and scream.

>>37265927
Yeah yeah now fuck off and ride Kant, Nietzsche, heidegger and other philowanker's cocks. Otherwise you can't justify your useless philosophy degree.

>>37265927
You shouldn't have tried in the first place bro. Discussing philosophy in a thread for ESLs playing moeges and ntr games isn't a hill worth dying on.

>>37265927
Philosophy is something that everyone engages in anyway but it's undeniable that philosophers are garbage and their discipline is garbage.

Defund philosophy departments

>>37266165
That's already happening lol
They are disappearing left and right for a good reason

>>37265842
>When a philosopher raises doubts, about time or about mental states, that do not occur to the ordinary man, this is not because the philosopher has more insight than the ordinary man, but because, in a way, he has less; he is subject to temptations to misunderstand that do not occur to the non-philosopher
What does he mean by this? He mentions clarity next, but isn't the "ordinary man" just more ignorant in regards to not knowing than the philosopher?

>>37266206
Read philosophical investigations

>>37266206
It basically means that all philosophers do is raise doubts about nonexistent problems that no one except them cares about and serve no purpose for normal peoples

>>37266206
>not knowing
This assume there's some universal truth to know. Philosophers seek universal truths instead of pursing clarity, and find themselves in fantasies.

>>37266256
So you don't know either then
>>37266269
Not caring about something or having it serve no purpose for you doesn't lead to true clarity though, does it? Do the insight and clarity Witt speaks of not pertain to the fact of the matter?

>>37266327
Most problems raised by philosophers are due to them hallucinating because they're hopped on language and misunderstand shit. They either ask dumb questions or frame issues in a way that doesn't result in answers.
That's what philosophical investigations is about. Go fucking read it.

>>37266327
>It is not until we have been led through another series of language-games, which introduce, first, the notion of an infinite series, and then the notions of ‘past’, ‘present’ and ‘future’, that Wittgenstein explicitly mentions the relevance of all this to philosophical problems. After describing a series of language-games with more or less primitive means of distinguishing one time of day from another, he contrasts these with our own language, which permits the construction of such questions as: ‘Where does the present go when it becomes past, and where is the past?’ ‘Here’, he says, ‘is one of the most fertile sources of philosophic puzzlement.’19 To a reader studying the Brown Book as a work of philosophy, this statement, the only mention of philosophy in the first thirty pages of the book, comes as something of a relief. Such questions, he states, arise because we are misled by our symbolism into certain analogies (in this case, the analogy between a past event and a thing, the analogy between our saying ‘Something has happened’ and ‘Something came towards me’). Similarly: ‘We are inclined to say that both “now” and “six o’clock” refer to points in time. This use of words produces a puzzlement which one might express in the question: “What is the ‘now’?” – for it is a moment of time and yet it can’t be said to be either the “moment at which I speak” or “the moment at which the clock strikes”, etc.,20 etc.’ Here, in relation to what is essentially St Augustine’s problem of time, Wittgenstein finally spells out the point of his procedure: the function of the word ‘now’ is entirely different from that of a specification of time – This can easily be seen if we look at the role this word really plays in our usage of language, but it is obscured when instead of looking at the whole language game, we only look at the contexts, the phrases of language in which the word is used.

>>37266355
Sounds like he's being obtuse in order to avoid having to answer the harder questions. I don't mind it though since there's obviously no way to know what objective reality is or if it even exists, but it's kinda cringe for him to act all uppity about it.
>Go fucking read it.
No thanks I already read 素晴らしき日々～不連続存在～ and it didn't really get anywhere.

>>37266429
Wasn't subahibi based on tractatus?
PI is unironically useful and accessible unlike tractatus if you want to become sensitive to language games and avoid dumb confusion. It isn't even just elitist bullshit like "don't speak nonsense" but compels us to frame our issues in a way that might be productive.

>>37265719
He's mister kew, not mr.kew.

Recommend me a short moege to read this weekend. I promised to read and write a review next week.

>>37266467
Recation

>>37266467
Konnyaku

>>37266474
Do you want him to die? That's a nukige, you can't read that over 1 weekend.

>>37266467
>write a review next week.
To hata for his site? Kill yourself

>>37266467
Sekai seifuku kanojo

>>37266480
You just press ctrl and enjoy moe

>>37266456
It's neither; it's a single word. Do you think the word dragon is short for doctor agon? Now stop samefagging, boot up your MTL program and blogpost your escapades on /vn/.

in case anyone is interested in discussion not centered around shit stirring and e-celebs, there are places on the webring and the like which could use the extra people and have spammers taken care of near instantly

>>37266556
I'm already on discord lol

>>37266556
Hit me up bro. Bonus points if it's an IRC server.

>>37266556
Like what?
Fuwanovel: Dead
Kastelcord: Bad
Darakuen: Bad
Darakuen 2: A cesspool
vndb: Dead
Most publisher discords: Dead
r/visualnovels: memelords
4chan /vn/: full of niggers...

>>37266572
>>37266591
>>37266595
i specifically said on the webring, fuck discord and anything even close to it

>>37266605
>A Web ring is a way of interlinking related Web sites so that people can visit many similar Web sites by just following the "Web ring" link on each page.
????

>>37266525
Shut the fuck up and keep using your shitty 2020 macbook pro 13 to mod skyrim, m.mister kew.

>>37266418
I feel like I read this before already somewhere, but does it really take that many words to say that language is imperfect and based on human concepts which are also imperfect? Damn son. Saying that doesn't progress anything though unless the goal is to mock everyone else and feel smarter. If the solution is that we should all just throw our hands up because there's no figuring it out then I guess he wins? I don't even disagree with that but I'm still wondering what he means by insight and clarity then, as simply saying "you don't know anything because language!" is kind of a cop-out. Like duh, nobody knows anything for sure.
>>37266452
Seems lame. Your answers have not shown that reading it would answer any more questions than 素晴らしき日々～不連続存在～ did, which is 0 unless you want to consider "Oh but your question isn't real! Gottem!" an answer as if you were in a moral anti-realism argument. (Which I agree anyway)

Most philosophy undercuts itself by doubting reasoning.
It is a child's game where you can refute most philosophy simply by deconstructing its premises.

>>37266474
>>37266476
>>37266497
Thanks a lot for the suggestions. I'll go for ReCation first. The rest I'll probably read next weekend or during the weekdays depending on my wageslave status. The review for Recation will be sent before Wednesday next week, but please don't expect god tier review or anything, I don't do review that much.

>>37266623
>what he means by insight and clarity then
To know when your philosophizing is going in useless direction is what he means by clarity here
To know how to frame questions in a way that is fruitful is what means by insight here
For example "what is meaning of life?" is a dumb nonsense question, but after getting this clarity you can question yourself why you're compelled to ask such a question, what sort of real anxieties undergird your motivation and from that vantage point you can try to frame your issue in a different way.
>The solution to the problem of life is to be seen in the disappearance of the problem. Isn’t this the reason why men to whom the meaning of life had become clear after long doubting could not say what this meaning consisted in?

>>37266681
>or example "what is meaning of life?" is a dumb nonsense question
proof needed.

>>37266681
>"what is meaning of life?" is a dumb nonsense question
Why?
See?

>>37266678
Do you work for hata or not?

>>37266726
>why?
>begins to answer by saying it contradicts his own meaning of life, which is to say there is no meaning

>>37266678
imo ReCation is better read in small doses over the week at the end of work rather than binged over the weekend, for better synchro rate with the wageslave MC. (But maybe I'm just biased because that's how I read it myself.)

>>37266727
I don't even know who you're referring to, bud. I just want some eroge recommendations, also maybe to divert this thread back a bit, since I'm tired of philosophical debate.

>>37266681
>To know when your philosophizing is going in useless direction is what he means by clarity here
>To know how to frame questions in a way that is fruitful is what means by insight here
What are some (original) fruitful questions that he has then? I'm not trolling, just right now it seems like he's just called everything else silly but given no alternative. Surely he isn't just saying something as juvenile as "Fuck epistemology just do what you can to live happily," right?

>>37266793
Stop giving them (You)s, man, that's what they're after.

>>37266726
See what? Why the fuck are you even applying "meaning" to "life"? Ask that. That question is buried under fuckton of untended assumptions and language based confusions. Even if that was a valid question you won't get any answer here in this world.

You got anything with naizuri and paizuri at the same time? Usually it's either double naizuri or double paizuri. I want the mix combo.

>>37266810
>NOOO you just can't ask it! why? just... because... like.... you have... assumptions, man!

I am asking if there is a purpose to life. It is a valid question - what if anything, is the process of my life meant to actualize?
If you say there is no purpose, then you engaging in the argument is a self-refutation, as it posits that finding truth is part of the meaning of living.

>>37266810
>you won't get any answer here in this world.
Proof needed.

>>37266810
But it already got answered million times anyway
The meaning of life is to enjoy it, everything people have ever done was for the sake of getting their dose of dopamine in one way or another, there is nothing more to answer

>>37266796
>Surely he isn't just saying something as juvenile as "Fuck epistemology just do what you can to live happily," right?
>he doesn't know

Pic related is the final answer of all skeptical philosophies. All else is just being inconsistent. The VN philosopher has no reason to live under his own system.

>>37266886
Prove it then Einstein

>>37266796
his work is mostly a negative critique without any positive content. But it indeed helped a whole generation of scholars to be more sensitive to limitations of their epistemological categories. That whole dynamic metaphysics gang(try jason storm's metamodernism) rely a lot on wittgenstein's insights from PI.

>>37266886
>The meaning of life is to enjoy it
This presupposes a common notion of enjoyment inherent in living. What is it? Dopamine is not an answer, because it just a change of chemical states, which thinking is not reducible too, because to say it is places you in an absurd situation where you use something other than sense-data (the basic empirical axioms) to arrive at the conclusion that all existence is sense-data.

>>37266871
What does it mean for life to have purpose?

>>37266917
There being a state of being preferable to other states.

This is the kind of meaningless shit with zero practical application you invite when you take philosophy seriously.
Visual Novels.

If you think tendencies of a living system is meaning of life then so be it. Why not talk about these tendencies instead of framing it as muh meaning of life

>>37266923
So a very subjective notion

>>37266962
No, I mean truly preferable, inherent in life itself independent of the subject experiencing it.
If you say there is no such thing you immediately fall into contradictions.

>>37266938
>zero practical application
This. Now get into the zenbox and stop thinking!

>>37266974
Preferable to who or what?

>>37266939
It's like asking what the meaning of ants' life
They live because they can, and getting pleasure from basic instincts life eating or reproduction is motivating them to continue
Why there should be any different reasons for people to live? They simply live because they can and they ask a question about the meaning of it because they can since happened to get more developed brains that allow them to do it

>>37267013
As in objectively true. Preferable to the basis and grounding of all truth, Who is the incarnate Logos, Jesus Christ,

>>37266974
>If you say there is no such thing you immediately fall into contradictions.
Is you say there is such a thing then you can't prove it either lol
The best way is to not entertain this mental illness

>>37267024
Preferable assumes someone or something's perspective. So it can't be objective.

>>37267020
>Why there should be any different reasons for people to live?
People surprisingly do make up weird reasons to live that go against tendencies of living systems. If you think that's the only way for people to live then you're just being a prescriptivist fuck (which isn't bad desu just recognize your subjective biases)

>>37266467
>I promised to read and write a review next week.
Where?

>>37267161
For example? I hope you don't mean stuff like people whose meaning of life is to kill or similar because most of it is clearly caused by malfunctioning of the brain causing them to go off the tendencies
The only reason people thinks that they are so special and must have some defined meaning in their lives is because of their innate arrogance that causes them to look down at every other living being, and the theory of evolution already proved that they aren't

(194) /jp/ - エロゲスレ/Untranslated VN General

>>37267332
this is what philosophy tag can do to you...

>>37267332
I feel like it's my fault. I just wanted to say how much I liked KKK.

>>37267358
hey at least looking at chair philosopher desperately trying to protect his degree (while failing miserably) is more interesting than your usual discord mtl talks so could be worse

>>37267106
This is a false assumption that there is no objective view of reality. Someone's preference, namely Jesus' is what gives reality to things.

>>37267106
>Is you say there is such a thing then you can't prove it either lol
I can by contrary of the negative. Assume there is no meaning, contradiction. Therefore there is meaning. More concretely we know that the meaning is in following truth who is ultimately Jesus Christ. Try praying to Him and you might see it if you really wish to know the truth.

>>37267266
>For example?
Idk sacrificing their lives for some cause. People seek fulfillment in life beyond "They live because they can, and getting pleasure from basic instincts life eating or reproduction is motivating them to continue". The constellation of these biological forces does influence our life and you can feel those forces at every point in life but you're still compelled to carve our your own path and find fulfillment in something other than eating, sleeping, fucking. There's a reason people love to endure suffering.

Is there anyone else here who likes watching vn Jikkyou on yt?
i happened to come across hentai prison one by ロレンスのゲーム guy and i really like those overly emotional kinds of people, didn't even realize how i already watched all of it in one go
anyone has some channel recommendations with some very emotional jikkyous?

>>37267332
It's unsalvageable at this point.

>>37267417
Then why does his reality contain elements that he doesn't prefer lmao

Why is it that all pretentious fucks flock to eroge?

>>37267638
Define pretentious, and point out examples of that ITT. If you're talking about Kastel/Moogy/any other e-celeb you're obsessed with, fuck off back to Discord.

>>37267596
There are quite some channels with a muvluv alternative playthrough at the moment, due to the anime airing. Kinda entertaining to see how they all react to certain scenes.

>>37267358
go to 8moe's webring and look around

>>37267616
Because of human willing, which is created in a way which it can act contrary to Christ's will. He allows it to happen because that is His will in creating us, that we may choose or reject Him freely.

>>37267677
i already watched all of the muvluv by ちゅちゅみぃ心 and it was probably the highest quality playthroughs i have seen so far, he pretty much worked as seiyuu for free here

>>37267696
but he both created you down to your exact specifications and knows your future and where you'll end up, implying you have no choice at all

>>37266838
I want some double naizuri. Could you hit me with some examples?

>>37267266
>For example?
Declining birth rates lol

Got any comedy VNs like oretsuba?

>>37267769
No

>>37267596
>eroge let's plays

My first reaction was "man that's the dumbest shit" but on a second thought at least it makes more sense than actual game Let's Plays.
Is there anything you recommend besides the hentai prison one? (I actually want to play that myself fully later.) It doesn't necessarily have to be the emotional type.

>>37267711
This doesn't imply no choice, because He does not actualize all of the things I might do. I have the power to either write this post or do another thing, play this nukige or play wholesome VN. Both are powers I have and I actualize them myself.
Also not all of Christ's powers are predetermined/eternal, some are like His Glory, but others are not, like being provident over creation, since creation is not eternal. So my actions do indeed have a bearing on God's actions concerning me.

>>37267596
Himari

>>37267836
they basically read it for you for free and gives funny reactions so sometimes it's even more interesting than reading by yourself
my favorite so far has been the muvluv one i mentioned and 高杉ウルキオラ channel with hatsuyuki sakura and asairo ones, i watched both and i really like this guy's way of reading, even though he can't read anything harder than most common kanjis
also rewatching sakuuta by メガネ漢 ゲームチャンネル and it has been pretty solid, he got to the 6th chapter atm
there is also
きなこゲーム実況チャンネル channel with sayooshi and saya ones if you like listening to woman that isn't cringe

>>37267670
Mogy*

>>37267596
I remember watching memeどれのコスモ通信基地局's eroge videos because I didn't feel like reading a VN and his voice is good and clear so I can just listen to his VN narration

>>37267869
>He does not actualize all of the things I might do.
but he created you knowing you would do said things, yes or no?

>even more interesting than reading by yourself
Why? How? A giggle here and there? Christ.

>>37267946
Yes, because I do say them. His foreknowledge isn't abstracted, Christ sees all of time at once for Him it is simply reality, but my choice is real because only I actualize it, not another person. There is no tyranny of the divine will over me as there was none in Christ, who willingly choose to give His life.

>>37267900
I have a lot of respect for Himari for livestreaming stuff like motto haramase and censoring it on the fly instead of uploading prerecorded gameplay.

>>37267973
To play devil's advocate here, I guess if you really hate the VN in question maybe it could be more entertaining.

>>37267976
said choice was predetermined, as your creator knew you would actualize it in advance and created you that way

>>37267973
sometimes you are kind of interesting in a certain vn but can't get any motivation to read it, so watching someone who read it for you and gives his impressions about it makes it more enjoyable so you can just watch in on the side while doing something else instead of having to pay 100% attention while reading it yourself

>>37267976
Why didn't he just make us such that we won't make wrong choices?

>>37267976
So He is omniscient, yes? As in he is all-knowing?
>>37267973
Please do not take the Lord's name in vain.

>>37268022
Knowledge of the future does no actualize the choice, no more than me thinking of eating, knowing that I will eat in five minutes fulfills my hunger. Christ's knowledge is because I do things with the powers He gives me.
>>37268068
He did make us that we only choose good (and we will only choose good in the resurrection of the dead), but He also made us reliant upon Him and His knowledge. Adam was tricked because he thought it was fine to disobey God and rely on his own knowledge and that of the snake, bypassing God in choosing the good thing the snake presented, namely becoming God. Ultimately becoming God by grace, theosis, is the goal of all man. When man chose to sin, it is then that our will itself became corrupt and able to choose evil things. Potential to choose something other than God was given because to love is a free action, God wanted creatures to be able to freely love Him.
>>37268156
Yes. He foreknows things, but does not create all of them. He knew that I would sin before seeing the light, but only I am responsible as I chose to do the evil myself. Sin is by definition a separation of our will from the divine will, so God does not sin or force to sin because there is no dialectic in God's thinking or any ignorant deliberation.

>>37268210
>Knowledge of the future does no actualize the choice
combine this, however, with the fact that you were, as you admit, created by him down to your exact specifications

>Christian theological discussion in the エロゲスレ
I can't tell if you guys are retarded or geniuses sometimes.

>>37268210
>Yes.
So does he know what it feels like to take a dick in the ass?

>>37268221
I was created as an individual person endowed with certain powers/actions, how I use them was not prespecified. You are confusing God creating the tool with Him precreating all the ways the tool will be used. If God actualizes all of my actions, then it leads to absurdities like me being in different places at the same time, etc. There are real potentials in my actions which are not actualized, so I have free will in that only I choose to actualize them.

>>37268229
Please do not use blasphemy if you want a serious discussion.

>>37268250
Sounds like a yes to me LMAO

>>37268225
just one schizo shitposting and the other monkeys playing with him (most likely just the same person though)
how they are still aren't banned...

>>37268250
>how I use them was not prespecified
but the results of your actions are known beforehand by the being that created you, no?

>>37268275
Yes, but the knowledge is not the cause of my action. You're inserting the wrong causal relation here, my actions are what cause Christ's knowledge of them being done. It is just that His knowledge is atemporal.

>>37268260
>most likely just the same person though
Is this a subahibi flashback?

>>37268294
>my actions are what cause Christ's knowledge of them being done. It is just that His knowledge is atemporal.
And we've hit the meaningless gibberish point.

Wow can't believe that reporting worked for once
Anyone here read Vampirdzhija Vjedogonia? How is it in comparison with other urobuchige?

>>37268500
>Anyone here read Vampirdzhija Vjedogonia? How is it in comparison with other urobuchige?

Heard it's essentially tokusatsu with vampires, which doesn't appeal to me.

How is Nijuuei? Is the whole QTE thing true?

>>37268559
Yeah, but you have like 5 seconds. It's not like it's hard in any way.

>>37268559
each fight has multiple qte choices which basically means you have to randomly guess right one in 5 secs or you auto lose and have to reload, so it basically force you to play with guide

>>37268500
>>37268509
It's basically Urobuchi's take on Kamen Rider Kuuga, a show he was a fuge fan of, it's probably his weakest game, still fun if you download patch that makes you able to skip that fucking mini game though.

>>37268968
Where to get the patch?

>>37268968
>fun if you download patch that makes you able to skip that fucking mini game though

The one you have to fish out archive.org? There's also an updated re-release of the game available online. Or at least was at one time, cause I have it.

>>37268976
archive.org Nitro homepage from ages ago

Great scene.

>>37268980
Where exactly it should be? the support page doesn't have anything, tried choosing different years (or I just use archiveorg wrong)

>>37269113
Even older site. Somehow somewhere I found an older Nitro site adress and it was there. Been ages ago though.

I'll just upload the preupdated newer version for you (and others here).

>>37269132
That would be nice, thanks

>>37269109
mebachi a cute

>>37269136
Sure. It's this version https://vndb.org/r941 with exe being 1.2.0.

https://pixeldrain.com/u/MvLjBUc9

The old update in question was 1.0.3 or something like that, if I remember correctly.

>>37269240
Nice, so it should allow you to skip the battles here right? (don't even know how those battles work here though but I assume you originally can skip them only after completing the game or something)

>>37269269
Not sure, I only hoarded it.

But being a newer version, it should allow the skip in some capacity or another.

Maoujou Re:build! was nice and all despite the non-existent gameplay, but man it makes me miss old Astronauts:Sirius games.
Take Saint Estella Gakuin no Shichinin no Majo for example. That VN is just built differently. The characters engaging and even the writing for the h-scenes feels great, especially for the MILFs.
Now they kinda went back to the terrible system from Guildmaster where half of the roster is "optional" so you only see them during their events. Wack.
M&M are still great but the lack of pubes in this game is shit. I always thought it was part of their appeal as artists.

Finished my first non-nukige VN today, that funnily enough being Nukitashi which I started thinking it was a nukige with a bunch of sluts but enjoyed it a lot nonetheless. From an enjoyment perspective, I thought it was a 10/10 but I have absolutely no frame of reference, as the only other VN I've tried was Musumaker which I never fully completed, to be able to give it a more objective rating.

Should I go straight into Nukitashi 2 or should I read one of the many games I've shortlisted over the last 11 months. Namely, Tomefure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmTqyuPdxEY
Just found this in the recommendations and man I didn't know otome games have such good confession scenes
Is there anything like that but with girls? Probably need to be some date sim or something as you don't see anything like that in your usual moeges

>>37270125
Some of tokimemo girls confessions are fucking legendary.
Even the new one has a couple of great ones.

>>37270254
Which one? I remember haring something good about the 2nd one

>>37270254
Are they really that good? My only experience with Tokimemo confessions was getting a lousy hug after getting blue balled for 3 fucking in game years.

>>37254426
Muramasa really made me question ethics.

>>37256646
I started talking to people at work more.
>>37256662
>for no reason
There's a reason Kakeru and his crew followed Hayato around. Did you read the game?

>>37254426
Eroge made me view non-married 非処女s as worthless sluts.

>>37270889
Basically makes you an asian.

>>37270125
>actually voicing the protagonist's name
Almost came.
Those confession scenes are really good too.

I get being bored in class but this seems a little weird desu.

>>37271341
Do you have music here? I have tried it out but seems to be no sound for me
not sure if need to inmm fix

>>37271451
Yeah. Just save yourself the trouble and download the 2009 kizuato release. It actually comes with the original shizuku, kizuato and all of the remakes.

>>37271561
Oh wtf nice, thanks for the advice

Huh, so the term originated just like that.

is there a recommended route order for demonbane?

>>37271815
The term's older than that. That's just a reference.

>>37271951
The routes are kind of repetitive and have a lot of overlap so it's kind of hard to say. I did Al -> Ruri -> Leika personally (with Al's route being my favorite of course).

>>37271951
Yes, Raika -> Ruri -> Al

>>37272019
It's absolutely not subjective, the routes in the order above reference the earlier ones. For example in Ruri's route Kuro starts getting deja vu of what happened in Raika's route.

>>37272043
I don't really remember that desu but you can permanently end the time loop in every single route. I don't think order is really that important.

>>37272019
>>37272043
I like Al the most from what I've seen so I'll be going with Raika > Ruri > Al
I'd like to end the visual novel on a high note if possible and saving the girl I like the most for last should motivate me to keep reading

>>37272070
>I don't really remember that
I definitely do and played the game recently. It's obvious when using the change text color/skip functions because in certain places only a few of the lines are different.
>spoiler
I completely disagree, just because only Ruri true explicitly entered a loop doesn't mean the other endings ended the loops permanently. I think the game clearly implies it will always happen again, in some fashion until he ends it all in the Al route. Just look at what マスターテリオン says in the non-Al routes.

>>37272158
Well obviously Ruri's normal one is fucked. But I'm pretty certain Leica's route fucks it all up for good because of Sandalphon's autism. It's been a long time though so maybe I'm just a big retard and you're right.

I bet the voice actors were shitting themselves in paroxysms of laughter voicing this scene. Good god.

>>37272070
>>37272158
I did figure out at least one of the deja vu details. I think there may be something else as well, but this is pretty big.

In Ruri and Al's route, Kuro recognizes the song to summon Yog-Sothoth. In Raika's route, he does not.

See script file d1502al.txt, with comments:
//【合流】アル、瑠璃共通。台詞部分で分岐
//（ヨグ＝ソトース招喚）

>この詩を俺は……確かに俺は……識って……
>「これは『第九の詩』――ヨグ＝ソトースの招喚！」

The most unrealistic thing about Demonbane is Kurou not immediately tapping Al and thus ending the loop on his first try.

>>37271341
I used to do something similar to this but in the back of my notebook.

>>37272263
Some of them can do really, really good impressions.

i tried streaming vns to my tablet via moonlight but i keep getting some audio crackling, have any of you experienced something similar?

>>37270883
>There's a reason Kakeru and his crew followed Hayato around
Which doesn't work irl lol
It's pretty anime tier reason

>>37256627
>>37270883
>some porn slideshow made me want to talk to people but before that I hated people
Jesus Christ some of you fucks are pathetic and cringe
No wonder reading every VN is a major life-changing act for you

>>37273962
He's also probably a 40 year old manchild

>>37273962
How was I supposed to know that human relationships could be meaningful and important without a visual novel telling me this?

>>37273962
At least he's learning to become mentally mature through eroge. Some people fail to come of age and get stuck in early teenshit stuck-up bitch period. But it's weird how a single VN is enough to change them. I guess anything works if a cute moe waifu preaches to you.