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>>37037177
>SA Extra is the best in the series
Interesting way to spell EoSD extra

>>37037177
cute autist.

I hate PoFV.

Speaking of PoFV, how hard is Hard for it and PoDD? I don't feel quite willing to tackle UFO or SA yet and the Phantasmagoria are the games that frustrate me the least, because me losing isn't as much of a set in stone loss that requires me to go back to the drawing board, so to speak.

>>37038679
Hard with Aya and Medicine is as easy as normal

>>37038679
You could pussy out for PoFV and use Aya or Medicine and 1cc easily if you want to do it that way

Fuck any faggots who said MoF was one of the easier ones. Kanako is kicking my ass.

>>37039254
Press X more

Should I bother with PoFV or try to 1CC the other Touhou series first? I only ever clear PoFV once with Marisa and I hate Komachi so much.

>>37040269
If you don't like PoFV then don't play it (at least not yet). Play whatever you enjoy. What games have you 1CC'd so far?

>>37040277
O-only IN..... I nearly 1CCd EoSD the other day but I went retarded and died to Remi's first non spell and start making more dumb mistakes after that. Also I regret buying TD instead of DDC or HSiFS because the resource system seems retarded and I'm still struggling to deal with Yoshika and Seiga

>>37040315
>O-only IN
no need to be ashamed anon. Everybody stars somewhere.

>>37040315
On second thought, try netplay. You might like it playing against a person better than playing against bullshit AI. You can ask for people to host on /vm/ or /vg/ or /v/

>>37039254
Aside from the infinite bombs it is non beginner friendly, at least to me. Nitori, Aya and Kanako are some of the harder stage 3, 4 and 6 bosses, and the continue system won't forgive you if youre out of lives in Stage 6

>>37039254
I agree. I went from IN to MoF and got my ass handed to me for a good while. I was losing runs on stage 2 and 3 when I made it to stage 5 on my first IN run. It got easier after anons told me to stop being stingy with bombs, but even then I can't say I'm good at the game. I've 1cc'd normal mode with all shots and 5 out of 6 of those I got on my last life.

How long does it usually take for y'all to beat a Touhou game on normal? It took me 2 months on EoSD and I was actually playing quite frequently. MoF took the least at about 2 weeks

It'll be really unfortunate if I waste my 75 clears milestone on Ph*ntasmagoria.

>>37045350
No one cares how much you hate phantasmagoria. Fuck off.

>>37037177
Then why didn't you pick Mari B

>>37045273
>2 weeks for EoSD
>1 week for PCB
>3 days for IN
>3 days for MoF
>4 days for HSiFS
I usually do just a few runs per day, so probably no more than 2-3 hours. You get more experienced as you play more games, so that is also a factor. General game difficulty matters too, though that is somewhat subjective. I've been playing SA for a week and I still can't clear it.

>>37045273
24 hours for SA (in total game time, but in-game time appearently is broken so)
I raelly took long to beat SA, but maybe it was because I was slacking off
Not going to list all of them but,
A few weeks for EoSD, my first 1cc
A few days for PCB
Can't remember how long UFO took me
LoLK also took me a while. It was the only game after beating SA I was struggling to beat even though I used Sanae's bombing and grazing to the max.
Only 2 days for HSiFS, almost 1ccd it on the first try but I died on Okinas last spell.

>>37038899
>>37039239
I dont really intend on just doing it with Aya or Medicine. I really like these games and if I can find my rhythm with them, i'd like to do every character, for either it or PoDD

>>37045394
If your opinion was a Touhou game its title would start with "Phantasmagoria".

inchling pls

>>37047139
This is my least favorite Sukuna Spell, You Grow Bigger is at least funny.

>>37047210
h-heh yeah, it's funny all right...

>>37045273
6: a month
7: a week
8: 2 days
9: 2 days
10: some hours
11: 2 weeks
12: hard to tell due to hiatus but a week give or take
13: 2 days
worth noting that PoFV and UFO had me on sweaty tryhard mode so they should've taken longer
>>37039254
I will seriously never get people who say MoF is difficult, some weeks ago dicking around with 0 routing I made it halfway through Kanako

I've probably played about a dozen touhou fangames by now, but never an official touhou game (yet). Is this from an official game and if so which one is it
https://twitter.com/th_fusuma/status/1451599531691307013?t=Cw7XjTyi6hfCeYBWiWo51A&s=19

>>37039254
I completely agree with this. (Allthough that's my fault since I'm real conservative with my bombs)

>>37039254
What >>37039262 said.
>>37047139
Instabomb spell.

>>37039254
>>37048412
Committing to trying to clear Kanako's 1st spell/Second and third nonspells isn't worth it. Her last two spells before Mountain of Faith are hard though, I'll give you that. But earlier today I won with just 2 spare lives going into stage 6, so bombing BEFORE you're stuck really is the key.

Does anybody else think ZUN kinda fucked up shot type balance in PCB? Is it just me or is there no reason to play as MarisaA over MarisaB in PCB? In EoSD, Magic Missile Marisa had high DPS and a mediocre bomb while Illusion Laser Marisa has decent DPS and a powerful bomb. In PCB, MarisaA and MarisaB seem like they have the same DPS and MarisaA is the exact same thing as MarisaB but with a weaker bomb. MarisaB only gets two bombs but said bombs are really powerful so it evens out. MarisaA also gets two bombs but they deal way less damage than MarisaB's? That doesn't sound fair at all to me. At the bare minimum, MarisaA should have got three bombs. SakuyaA gets four bombs but said bomb is probably the second most powerful bomb in the game which is why she is so often used for first 1CCs in PCB. Skuya gets four bombs but (I think?) they only deal damage if you point blank the enemy making them kinda situational so it evens out.

>>37037177
I like how the stage theme starts like a frantic version of MoF's stage 5

>>37048481
Yeah i played stage 6 enough to bassicaly memorise Kanako. It's just stage 3-5 that are a pain.

>>37048483
Marisa A get weaker bomb but she can stack cherry borders like crazy with unfocused fire.

>>37048596
>she can stack cherry borders like crazy with unfocused fire.
Doesn't that also apply to MarisaB? When I 1CC'd Hard, I reached the 1000 point extend which is something I don't think I ever accomplished before

>>37048562
If you have trouble with Nitori's penultimate spellcard, I suggest being more proactive and not getting stuck at the bottom of the screen. Monster Cucumber is something I usually just toss a bomb at before I even know I'm stuck.
As for stage 4, worst part for me besides the dodging the fairies' tiny blue/pink bullets that tend to sideline you even if you're paying really close attention is if Momiji enters when I'm over at one of the corners of the screen (usually I bomb here anyway).
Most of Aya's spellcards are not just not worth going for, especially the last one which I pretty much always fail when trying the quick side-to-side. The 15-second one is easier than it looks however. For stage 5 just don't play too close to the bottom or sides of the screen, you need plenty of room to readjust throughout. And when it comes to Sanae I pretty much bomb everything except the 2nd and 5th spells in the bossfight. The pentagrams in particular is something I really don't bother attempting because I'm not confident at all in dodging that.

>>37048064
Can't tell if bait...
It's the official game Fairy Wars, which is stupid fun.

>>37048562
>>37048653
And for a general tip, you're probably moving way more often than you need to. Assess where the action is headed as opposed to where it's at right now.

My current project? Discovering just how bad Sakuya is at DDC without her silver blade..

>>37048483
Marisa A is better for the extras, she had great range for the amount of damage she does

>>37048653
>>37048682
Thanks for the tips.

>>37048850
Is there really that big of a difference in DPS between MarisaA and MarisaB? I honestly didn't notice a difference unlike EoSD

>>37048852
You are fortunate that it's very fresh in my mind after 3 1CCs

>>37048871
From my experience MarisaA's DPS is slightly higher than MarisaB's, but B has a much better bomb so it balances out.

>>37048820
Enjoy that. Easily the worst shot type to 1cc with in the entire series, IMO.

>>37038426
>>37045350
Fuck off samefag, or post the easymodo chart.

>>37048946
I'm at stage 5 with 4 spare lives and 4/8ths of a bomb. Pressing on!

>>37049070
Nope. Barely made a dent in Shinmyoumaru.

>>37048622
MarisaA's cherry+ rate is noticeably higher, this was the only shot with which I actively planned and farmed borders.

>>37048975
Have a pity (you).

>>37049252
Y'know, spamming your personalized chart every time you added a new box isn't exactly necessary.

>>37048653
Not the initial guy, but weirdly I have enough reaction time when I play EoSD, PCB and ofc IN to bomb preventively or even death bomb, but its really hard to do it in MoF.

>>37053018
I only post it with important updates.

Still grinding IN, hopefully I can get a hard 1cc with every team.

Wow, Reimu/Eagle shot is so insanely overpowered it makes the game look like a joke
>>37053711
Yeah I think MoF gives you the least grace time for deathbombing, which is why I started doing often earlier than necessary when facing obstacles which have stumped me in the past.

Why does everyone place UFO on such a high pedestal for difficulty? Despite being unable to 1cc SA or MoF I was able to 1cc UFO in a week. The ufos give so many life pieces and the only hard part about it was Byakuren and one of Shou's spell cards. Is everyone saying it's hard only speaking about lunatic difficulty?

>>37057710
It's hard because its gimmick is frustrating and distracting and deaths are very punishing due to massive [p]ower loss. It was my hardest Normal clear although I cheesed SA with 2 safespots and LoLK with Reisen.
You can probably steamroll MoF now.

>>37057728
I cheesed LoLK too, I think I'll try MoF again

>>37057728
UFO was the second game I ever 1CC'd on Normal

Time to pack it up, this is probably as close as I'll ever get to truly completing ISC. I have maybe two or three scenes left that are doable with no items with some practice, the rest are either literal slot machines or Remilia 10-4.

>>37057710
Playing it recently in my rust, they give you a lot of resources, but the stages can make it difficult to reach them, you do something reckless to get them and you run into a bullet and die. But so far, LoLK has been the hardest. 14-18 are pretty new for me since that's around when I stopped playing, and some of these cards are really confusing to navigate.

>>37058055
On the topic of ISC, why is teleporting in this game done perfectly but in Violet Detector the teleportation controls are jank?

>>37057710
Because as opposed to MoF AND SA there's a lot more risk involved when trying to get your life count up and those UFOs have got a despawn timer on top of that. I find the stages there to be some of the most dense and hectic in the series, plus you got quite the final boss in Byakuren.

>>37057710
>>37059569
The only things for which I can see the former 2 games being harder is that bombing drains your P, and Orin.

Finally moving on to the windows games.

>>37059796
holy based

>>37059796
How would you rank the PC98 games? Can you not do extra?

When do you guys decide to buy a new series? Right when a new one comes out? Only buy after a successful 1CC? Only buy after a clear?

Who's better for Legacy in LOLK? Reisen or Sanae?

>>37061292
Good question
Reisen: https://youtu.be/IbTvtDKMQME
Sanae: https://youtu.be/OPx4o8tI8fM

>>37061366
Is the Sanae cheese doable on normal?

>>37059796
Big if true

>>37061657
Its not and even on lunatic its harder than it looks
Stick with reisen

>>37063397
I did try the method on Lunatic and couldn't even reach Doremy.
Only thing I don't like about Reisen is her shit damage output.

>>37063454
>shit damage output
Bro…it’s the second highest in the game

>>37063613
It doesn't feel like it, maybe it's her not having a damage dealing bomb and always being below max power.

>>37048653
>Most of Aya's spellcards are not just not worth going for
And she said she is going easy on us, I hope ZUN dont make us play against a serious Aya

>>37037177
Are there any touhou mobile games?
Are they any good?

>>37060899
>How would you rank the PC98 games?
It's a very tight competition because they're all extremely good, even Reiiden if you get proficient enough to start loving it (although some might call this stockholm syndrome), but here it goes in order of sheer enjoyment:
PoDD > LLS > SoEW > MS > HRtP
Even though I've seen people lauding MS as the best game and it certainly being the most complete and polished in technical terms, I've found it lacking some of the hype factor the other two standard STG have with regards to the buildup of the music and bosses.
Meanwhile, PoDD's sheer mad fun and great endings put it a tiny notch above the rest.

>Can you not do extra?
Not yet. I did attempt a couple runs on hard and a couple dozen runs on extra en each of the three, but I'd put these extra stages around hard difficulty (tentative since I haven't survived long enough to see the last few attack patterns from each boss, and haven't even reached gengetsu on LLS).
I can probably beat them with a few days worth of practice, but the steep difficulty curve made me choose to move on to the following games instead. I'll come back to them later, after I get some better skills.

>>37065176
If we ignore every non-STG mobage because of the thread we're in, there's Thousand Night Anamnesis which is a boss rush game with the bosses from every game from EoSD to UM (I think). Movement is done by sliding your finger on the screen though, which makes it much more playable than with on-screen controls but also makes it easier than playing the actual games. Still pretty fun.

>>37064889
>I hope ZUN dont make us play against a serious Aya
That would be PoFV Aya

>>37065191
>Even though I've seen people lauding MS as the best game and it certainly being the most complete and polished in technical terms, I've found it lacking some of the hype factor the other two standard STG have with regards to the buildup of the music and bosses.
Big Mystic Square fan here and I agree. LLS is the most hype for me. Yuuka has a great buildup to her fight and her fight in general is fun all the way through. Shinki, as much as I like her, has some pretty boring attacks and Mai/Yuki just frustrate me with their dumb cheeto attack.

Fairy Wars Extra sure doesn't fuck around, I can't even get past Marisa's third spell.

>>37065191
>PoDD > LLS > SoEW > MS > HRtP
I hate to say it but, dangerously based
PoDD is a treasure

I wanna play 17.5 so bad

Finally got my fist hard 1CC

>>37074994
Congratulations!
EoSD is the most fun hard mode in my opinion.

Phew, I thought for sure I was a goner....

I just cleared PCB Extra but on one of Ran's non spells I intended to move slightly to the right but I don't think I tapped the arrow key hard enough for it to respond but but I still didn't get hit and now I'm kinda paranoid that I beat the stage on accident because of that. Am I being too autistic about this?

>>37075247
Nice job! Try Hard mode next. The jump in difficulty from Normal to Hard in SoEW isn't that much

>>37074994
>12 misses
Did you increase starting lives? I thought the maximum amount of misses you could have in EoSD for a 1CC was 9. Do death bombs count as misses?

>>37075552
Yeah, I might do this actually cause Sigma's kicking my ass

>>37075611
Isn't Sugma regarded as the most ballbusting extra?

>>37076045
Maybe? Certain parts of the stage are pretty devastating without a bomb, I've seen that. Can't get very far with the boss either.

>>37078452
Yeah, I wonder if it's even possible to clear that section with the fucking stars that come at you without bombing.

I did it.

>>37081269
WHY DID YOU SPOIL THE ENDING NOOOOOO

the superior movement control

>>37081453
the superior superior movement control

>>37080279
I did that once. It's not worth trying

>>37080279
It is because I've done it before. Jaimers also did a NMNB run of that stage

>>37081453
>>37081530
Superior Superior Superior Movement Control

Why is EoSD Hard easier and more fun than normal? Is it just because the bullet density makes it more obvious what you're supposed to do to dodge?

>>37085083
>EoSD Hard easier and more fun than normal?
More fun? Of course. Hard is always more fun then Normal. Easier? No. Hard is more fun because it's Harder than Normal

>>37075558
No, default. Not sure what exactly counts as a miss.

>>37075558
>>37086416
Deathbombs do count as misses in EoSD, that got corrected in PCB onwards.

>>37081530
>>37084643
>flat keys

>>37085083
At the very least, I feel Sakuya is easier on Hard than Normal.

If >>37065191
>>37072102 is accurate this is great news cause SoEW's kind of a masterpiece

>>37087155
Wait what's wrong with flat keys?

PoDD seems to be one of those games I 1cc twice in a row and then the AI decides to go nuts with pop ups like "Chiyuri is about to put on her strap-on!" "Chiyuri has a gun!" almost constantly.

>>37087155
I like sharp keys better

>>37097674
anon, why is it that you have Extra clears on PCB with ReimuA and MarisaA without any clears for them on the other difficulty settings?

>>37097697
You unlock extra for PCB (and all games besides PC-98, EoSD, UFO, and LOLK) if you beat easy modo, which I did with all the types before I became a big boy who can clear normal but not with those two.

>>37097701
Also include SA in the list of "No normal or higher = No Extra" because I've beaten it on easy a few times.

>>37095389
They feel weak and unsatisfying.

>>37097951
nta but I like flat keys better. I have a mechanical keyboard that I've been using for a few months now and I'm not a fan of it, especially for micro dodging. I use to play Touhou on a shitty asus pentium cpu laptop and I loved the arrows keys on that thing, they were perfect.

>>37097701
FinalB is reachable in IN Easy??

I've been looking into the translations of track names out of pure curiosity and some of them are kinda baffling
Like, Aka yori Akai Yumei is just "a dream redder than red", which honestly sounds better in English since it's like an actual idiom
"More scarlet than red" just sounds like stupid nitpicking, you don't have to shoehorn scarlet in there just because it's in the game's name
It gets even sillier with shit like "Shanghai Scarlet Teahouse" where someone's translated koucha as red tea and gone NO IT HAS TO BE SCARLET

>>37098324
赤 means red, 紅 means deep red or scarlet/crimson
紅茶館 is a pun on 紅魔館

>>37098324
Let's call it "More Scarlet than Scarlet" instead.

>>37098017
Yes

Keine's nonspells and some spellcards are a lot easier to deal with without focused movement. I think I probably overuse it in most cases. I usually struggle with her, but this realization and Yukari's generous deathbombing window has helped a lot.
Marisa kicked my ass though...

>>37103124
Yeah, I bombed Marisa 6 times on my successful 1CC. My least favorite is "Shoot the Moon"

WBaWC sux.

>>37107710
Mostly Youmu. I encourage you to give another go at the extra cause it's really not that bad.

>>37107710
Do you like anything?

>>37107958
I like Touhou!

>tfw 2hu gives you a headache now

back to back EOSD 1CCs!

>>37116050
Nicely do-
>Slowdown Rate 41.06%
Anon...

>>37116431
it's slander, the game's slandering me. the previous 1cc was <1% im being slandered

>>37116490
You only lost 8/9 lives, you can still redeem yourself

>>37116578
no you DONT understand, i didnt lose most of those lives, they were all deathbombs too. and if you look carefully youll notice i didnt use a SINGLE continue, which is very cool and impressive

>>37116608
Then it will be very easy to redeem yourself with another one credit clear with no slowdown

>>37116608
Yes, it is very cool and impressive

*pats your head*

>>37116640
ok, i did it. and i even did it with a game specific limitation because my japanese keyboard decided to fuck me on stage 6 and the top left box in pic related wouldn't go away. i dont know why it says 73% because i hardly slowed down at all. i think the game is trying to slander me or something

>>37117037
In case you aren't trolling try to force 60 frames in the config

>>37117082
yea i figured it out like thirty seconds ago

Youmu-Eagle makes me want to throw up, and I LIKE wbawc

>>37118090
I tried Youmu-Otter a bunch of times to no avail, then went to Reimu-Eagle and got the 1CC on my very first attempt. It's kind of incredible how different of experiences two different shots are.

>>37118105
Youmu's other shottypes are the easiest in the game for me (especially when it comes to Mayumi), it's just that Eagle is horribly bugged and her focused shot does absolutely nothing to enemies in later stages.

Why is it I play Marisa better than Reimu and some other characters when Reimu is better all around and is more beginner friendly? Maybe except IN because I'm still trying to get used to Malice canon abuse. Marisa is fat and have no homing bullets, her only redeeming qualities are damage and speed which could be overshadowed when you play other series with more than two characters.

>>37118320
"Beginner friendly" often means homing with dogshit damage.

>>37118320
In EoSD Marisa > Reimu. Her bow makes her hitbox stick out more and Marisa A does crazy damage. Master Spark is basically a skip button.

>>37118320
You dismiss it as "only" damage, but damage is huge. Yeah, a larger hitbox makes some things a bit harder to dodge, but higher dps means you have way less to dodge in the first place as long as you can position yourself properly, so it more than balances out.

>>37118117
I'm very thrown off by being passive while focused. Perhaps when I give it another handful of honest tries I'll be able to get at least one Youmu 1cc, but thus far I've been stumped.

>>37118320
Reimu is definitely more beginner friendly, but certainly not better all around. Homing shots are something of a crutch generally. They're great if you're new to a game and want to focus on learning patterns without worrying about hitting the boss, but once you get over that the lower damage they offer becomes a liability. If you know how to stay under bosses consistently, Marisa's DPS is a huge boon that you'll really miss the moment you go back to Reimu. IN solo Reimu feels completely unplayable to me for that exact reason, she just has no damage and bosses take forever to kill.

Does full 17.5 still not have a windowed mode?

>>37065176
You can run the PC98 games on retroarch with the np2kai core, it works really well if you set the core multiplier to 30x or higher.
The touch controls are hell on earth though, so either you play with them as a challenge or use a joystick separately (possibly with a phone mount)

Fighting Toutetsu phase 2 as Joon is probably the least fun I've had in a Touhou game. This sucks.

>>37125851
That reminds me, the 1cc chart needs updating
who's playable again and what are the difficulties?

>>37126589
Normal and Hard
Reimu, Marisa, Kanako, Murasa, Joon/Shion, Flandre
Is there any extras if you actually 1cc it tho? As far as I'm aware continues are free

>>37126661
I don't think 1cc matters, but Flan has multiple endings depending on which doors you take

>>37126661
No Lunatic? Shit really was rushed goddamn

>>37103124
i found Reimu to be much harder as a boss

>>37126800
nta, how many does she get? I'm updating the chart too

>>37126815
It's supposed to release 7 months ago...

Okay here's the square, stick it wherever on your chart
I REFUSE to believe there's no lunatic modo but it can be easily removed

>>37126933
A, B and C. C is "final/true" route.

>>37126958
Is flan the only character with multiple routes?

>>37126981
Yeah

The hardest part of getting a 1CC is sleeping well enough to be mentally ready to do it.

>>37128807
Don't think it matters much, I've gotten 1CCs both at 3am half asleep half angry and at 2pm after some food.

>>37128807
Sometimes I can 1cc smashed on vodka but only the easy games

>>37128807
I got my SA 1cc after a tiring day at work. I suppose it doesn't matter as long as you're not stressing over it and take breaks after some stages.

>>37129438
what difficulty setting?

>>37129476
Normal with ReimuC

How exactly is Youmu Eagle shot bugged? Is all of her damage circumcised or only one/some attacks?

>>37130294
Her focused slashes do only 60 damage as opposed to the 160 it does on Otter.

>>37130327
So it's like IN Netherdweebs: use focused mode to deploy unfocused Youmu turret?

>>37130565
Pretty much except you don't get Yuyuko's decent amount of focused damage

No fucking way ZUN fucked up only focused slashes' damage value. This DOGSHIT shot can only kill popcorn enemies IN A FUCKING HYPER marginally faster than other shots without it.

tell me what you favorite extra stage is and why

>>37132070
Ran was my first so she's special to me. I also like spinhus so that's more points in her favor.

Fuck WBaWC.

Youmu solo is very fun, I almost got a no miss run, but oh well.

>>37132556
Why are you such an asshole

>>37136884
Playing 2hu gets me all riled up.

>>37132556
What's with the red E, because of the damage bug?

>>37138329
Yes, I was constantly forgetting which one is broken so I marked it on the chart.

>>37107732
It's even worse than main game, what the fuck? Saki's first spell and chunk of stage with glowing red bullets are literally undodgeable while in hyper (I played Marisa Eagle).

Also tried Reimu otter. No, fuck it. WBaWC Extra joins LNN UFO at the bottom of my 1CCs priority list. Bomb shield completely breaks the game on a fundamental level. Without non-stop bombing WBaWC is unplayable because you're just blinded most of the time.

>>37148754
>>37148925
Saki is THE easiest ex besides Ran. Her first spell isn't undodgeable, you're supposed to wait until all the red bullets come down, then she fires the white ones, and you dodge as the red comes down. I reccommend Reimu Wolf though, because that's the best one to use for the extra in general.

>>37037177
Anyone have pictures of vertical monitor setups?

>>37151454
This absolutely reeks of secondary.

>>37151496
no it doesn't
what are you on about

>>37151559
It's some guy trying to hard to fit in who doesn't understand that secondary means "doesn't play the official danmaku games"

>>37151454
>>37151496
I don't think I've ever seen anyone use those ugly tate patches seriously. He's a shitter, but he does have a couple Hard 1ccs.

Do my 1cc count if I use extra lives? Just managed to 1cc TH7 for the first time.

>>37148754
>>37148925
After quite a haitus, its the extra which I cleared in the fewest attempts (Reimu-Wolf).

>>37049252
you actually play HRTP, that game is bullshit hard!

>>37151962
It is generally frowned upon, but getting the 1cc with extra lives means you're well on the way to doing it vanilla, so keep it up. You won't have that crutch in later games anyway.

>>37152030
I played drunk and after sobering up I watched the replay and I'm surprised I managed it in the end. I died on both stage 1 and 2 and had more stupid deaths from stage 4 onwards, with a lot of bombs wasted and a couple used at the end of attacks, effectively being wasted too. At Yuyuko's final spellcard I had no resources left and was stuck with the knowledge that I'd never captured it successfully, but I somehow got it with some really dangerous looking grazing. It was stressful even watching the replay. But I guess that means that a true 1cc is just around the corner.

Should I grind out EOSD 4th stage in practice mode? I'm able to get through the stage portion fairly easy besides a few rough spots three fairies before Patchouli. Patche gave me some trouble, but I've never really played Reimu A so I went in blind with those set of spells. I don't think it'll be so bad now that I know what to expect. It'd be disappointing if I did really well in practice mode, but failed to do so actually playing...

>>37132556
>Having Len'en games but not having the BPoHC chart.
Yikes.

>>37154035
For the three fairies, shoot the one in the middle real quick and move on to the side before it dies and kill the side one. Then kill the middle. Then the other side.

>>37154965
Reimu A seems to suck for it with her homing shot. I prefer Marisa A, but Reimu A is good for grabbing the most pickups. Either way, I'll just try to remember to bomb there if things get too messy.
I'm going to take a break with EOSD for today and play PCB instead. It's more generous with resources.

>>37155114
ReimuA in general is pretty bad

>>37151454
This is awesome man.
So are those wide monitors not memes?

Does anybody else think MoF being one of the easier games is a meme? I'm trying to do Hard 1CCs on MoF for the past four hours and I'm having trouble getting through Kanako's last spell again. I already 1CC'd this game on Hard twice and both of them took a good bit of effort compared to my Hard 1CCs on PCB

>>37154904
BPoHC sucks ass. Len'en already suffered from lacking stage design but BPoHC made awful stages the core of it gameplay while also making them retardedly long and oozing with RNG bullshit. Also retarded metaprogression, convoluted health system and 90% of actual content (bossfights) is recycled.
This abortion of a game is not allowed in my chart. I'll give it another try when (if) remake is released but for now I'm going to pretend it was just a fever dream.

Got all the way to the attack Byakuren ripped off from Shinki for the first time without a continue. I think UFO will be the first hard game I beat.
>>37155725
Kanako's last spell seems to be a massive roadblock for most MOF players, but personally her other spellcards are ten times worse.

>>37155860
>her other spellcards are ten times worse.
Those cards can at least be bomb skipped

>>37155867
Yeah, but what you don't realize by bombskipping them is that you're left with very low power by her final card. I practiced her final only when doing MOF 1ccs so I can cap it on low power

>>37155725
It's one of the easiest final boss final spells in the entire series

>>37155894
only on Normal mode

>>37151991
It's pretty hard but doable with some practice and a few tricks. It actually took me much less time to 1cc it than SoEW (I'm >>37059796), once you get decent you'll find it's quite forgiving with its resources.
Here's some tips for anyone playing it:
- During regular levels, learn to use sliding to keep the orb in the air instead of throwing ofuda at it, which is not only harder to get right but can get you killed if the orb hits you at an angle. Slides make it pretty easy because the orb moves at the same speed as reimu so you just need to follow it.
After a while you'll stop hitting any new bricks with the orb because the bouncing angles while using slides are fixed. That's when you throw a single well aimed ofuda (while the orb is falling, don't do it while it's rising or you'll speed it up uncontrollably) to change its direction slightly and get back to using slides again.
If you keep the combo going you'll start getting 12k points per brick, which is great for gaining extends.
- On levels with lots of bricks, use one bomb as soon as the level starts, you'll get a ton of points and usually an extend.
- Ignore the P pickups, using bombs will drop many of them and you can't pick them all so the combo on those will get dropped often, chaining bricks is a more reliable way to score.
- Learn the boss' patterns so they won't catch you unprepared. Some of them are pretty easy to avoid, some will take practice and accurate movement. Mima and especially Elis can fuck you up with their random attacks (lasers/bullets need you to stay below the boss but rockets need you to stay away so it's a matter of luck), but you can afford to lose a couple lives or bombs if you do everything else right.
- Unlike other games, you don't lose your bombs by dying and you can use bombs to get lives back, so during bosses it's fine to be greedy with them and only use them if you're at max bombs or you're certain you're about to die. The exception to this rule is when you've got no extra lives left, you need to survive and the boss will take damage from bombs so feel free to spam them at the slightest sign of danger. Even in these conditions you can recover the 1cc run if you get some extends in the following levels.

>>37155725
it's the easiest if you're happy bombing everything, the game gives out so many P blocks for more bombs and if you bomb at the right times you can increase your faith counter tremendously meaning more lives
if you're being too conservative or going for a non-bomb run then MoF's difficulty ramps up massively

>>37155768
The new content is great and the practice mode is so good (and makes it so i never have to suffer through the stages) i can give it a pass. Replaying the game a lot of times to unlock EX while fighting old bosses is pretty lame but since there are so many skill/shottype/bomb/flashbomb/upgrade combinations you can make its not as boring as it could be, and also because i enjoy the team banters. It took me a while to get used to but BPoHC is up there with RMI as my favorite lem'on
Also while the stages are really fucking long they are still better than 2-3's literally nothing stages, if anything i find stage hazards to be good practice. They can get impossible to clear on Unreal but thats what upgrades, flashbombs and barriers are for i guess. They still suck though, just not as much as the others in some ways
> I'll give it another try when (if) remake is released
I wouldn't count on it, JynX released an interview with the western fandom yesterday and it seems BPoHC Gold will have to wait until 4.5 is finished, and that one is still only 80% done

>>37155768
Honestly I just wanted to post the eyesore that the BPoHC chart is. I really understand if somebody is not wanting to get into BPoHC, less to fill the chart or even use it at all. Not that I'm hating on BPoHC. It's too ambition of a project for its own good, as so seems to be GC because of the additional content it's proposing.

But about GC I can't say something just because don't even JynX can. It really has to be the original but better if JynX really is wanting to update the old formations. Hope for GC to give a decent arcade mode at least or even be released.

Shou's nonspell curvy lasers aren't as bad as her spell with the giant green rotating sticks. That one makes me cry.

>>37161013
I started to get a better handle on them once I started looking at Shou's sprite as she shoots them out, it gives you a bit more time to react and reposition between them. The spinning lasers are rough I agree, I have the most success when I move unfocused but that makes dodging the other bullets harder.

>>37161133
If I have a bomb, I just use it on the spinning lasers. I'd be able to do it if one of them wasn't teleporting to your previous position but Zun decided that it was too easy like that.

>>37065293
>easier than playing the actual games.
Maybe I'm just retarded but I found it harder than using a keyboard

>>37161335
I guess it depends on the screen's touch sensitivity, or maybe it's just a matter of preference.

>>37037177
hehe fumo

Blue UFOs = Whores!

My heart actually broke into a million pieces just now

>>37166022
I actually really like this game outside of Byakuren.

>>37166022
>>37166337
I had DDC SakuyaB runs that were less tragic than this

>>37166692
>DDC SakuyaB
why would you do that to yourself

>>37166709
I got fucking close, OK? It only starts to fall apart on St6

>>37166692
The worst part about the second run is I lost two lives to air scroll because I didn't deathbomb in time enough. Really should've just spammed X once my i-frames wore off... I would've had it in the bag

>>37037177
>Modern routers don't allow port forwarding
>Win10 doesn't allow ad-hoc network
I just wanna play Soku with my bro and none of us want to use a controller.

>>37167365
Have you tried autopunch?
>>Modern routers don't allow port forwarding
Is this true?

>>37167379
Mine doesn't, which is apparently common with fiber routers. No fucking idea why though. It allows port transfer but not NAT.
I'll try autopunch though, seems good.

Shou's actually pretty simple to handle once you remember how slow her lasers are.
Kogasa and her final spell however? It's no wonder she was abandoned.

>>37167729
Kogasa being too hard for stage 2 is what makes UFO what it is, don't let anyone tell you different.

>>37167736
Besides the last spell, she's pretty easy.
On the topic of last spells, any tips for Flying Fantastica? It's frustrating me so much that I'm thinking of becoming a taoist.

>>37167788
Have 1 or more spare lives going in. In the later stages, be at the bottom of the screen probably. That's the best I can do. I'm 00/02, losing once and 1CCing the 2nd. I DO intend on putting more work toward a few more shot types however.

>>37160913
I shouldn't get my expectations up for GC but JynX saying he wants to change some stuff about the main game including the system is really interesting.
Also yeah that chart is too much, especially since the results screen of BPoHC is AIDS so navigate, i dont want to check every formation to remember what team i used for my Hard 0LVL clear. I just filled in the spaces with recorded replays and added a text saying ALL ACHIVEMENTS

>>37167729
For me it's her first spell that pisses me off. I swear there's always that one umbrella that arcs in from the sides just outside my range towards the bottom of the screen and forces me to bomb.

Always knew Taoism > Buddhism.
At least I can capture Sinker Ghost now

this op is a crossboarder

>>37174306
Can you stop throwing around crossboarder and secondary like a paranoid schizophrenic

>>37174306

Yukari pretends to hate crossboarders but secretly has another computer behind a gap to crossboard on.

>>37174306
You'd have to be actually autistic to be a /jp/only with this boards current state

>>37175122
>this boards current state
All boards are very bad right now. Moderation needs moderating.

>>37151962
>>37153093
Finally got a 1CC with default starting lives!

>>37174188
More like Stinker Ghost.

>>37175478
Nicely done. Did you use all those bombs at the end just to be safe, or did you have to get through the end of the last card on zero resources?

I found EoSD too slow for my taste

>>37175743
I died at the start of Red Magic and bombed it three times. Tried to dodge for as long as possible but wasn't really feeling the thrill of deathbombing. In the end I only had to survive for 5 or 6 seconds before I beat her.
Fucked up Icicle Fall and lost 4 bombs, glad I decided to push through. I'd post a screenshot of the final result but I fucked up and didn't manage to save it.

>>37175794
Any tips for fixing this? I don't know how I got my 1cc with the tiny window but I'd like to revisit the game for hard with fullscreen

>>37176134
Vpatch and force 60 fps

>>37176134
>>37176138
Additionally I had to download a different version of d3d8.dll because the one supplied did not fix the fps problem.

>>37176166
The one supplied where, and where did you get one that worked?

>>37176342
Supplied as part of enbconverter dx8dx9
for the working one I would google "d3d8.dll Build 17134"
Don't remember which site specifically I got it from but it contained a bunch of folders and the one I used which ended up working was named Build 17134

Unless I reach Shou with max lives, I consider the run to be screwed. Thank god Most Valuable Varja isn't an extra boss spell.

>>37176468
I did it with two fewer, even died at her first nonspell.

UFO finally broke me. All I hear is the soundtrack and little UFO noises keep sounding off in my head randomly, There's a reason Kogasa was abandoned, why Murasa is a ghost, why Byakuren was sealed. Nazrin and Ichirin are alright and Shou's really just a meme at this point. Tried to beat off earlier but when I touched my dick I heard the UFO noise and started crying. Also ReimuB > SanaeA > SanaeB. SanaeB does barely any damage to bosses and it sucks.

>>37178869
SanaeA and SanaeB do almost the same damage from a distance, while SanaeB can shave several seconds off of a large portion of boss attacks just by shotgunning them for a bit at the start. Her bomb is strong, and the spread shot trivializes several stage portions. The only time SanaeA ever does more damage than SanaeB is when you suck at staying under the boss.

>>37179260
>SanaeA and SanaeB do almost the same damage from a distance
This smells like a lie, a fib even.
>Her bomb is strong, and the spread shot trivializes several stage portions.
SanaeA's bomb is strong too and the stage portions are easy enough. The only advantage I can think of that SanaeB has is when Nue attacks because you get a guaranteed 1-up with B

>>37179383
>This smells like a lie, a fib even.
You're free to try it yourself. I went into stage practice and stayed at the bottom of the screen for Kogasa's midboss spell, and it shows SanaeB is actually a little stronger. Against Byakuren, on the other hand, SanaeB is borderline broken.

>>37179687
>Against Byakuren, on the other hand, SanaeB is borderline broken.
That alone might get me to cave. I've reached Byakuren with all three of the types I've tried seriously. SanaeB however I might have to change the route from mostly reds to mostly greens because her bomb is broken.

>>37178869
Don't listen to the haters, only play homing Reimu. Also be kind to Murasa.

Havent play Touhou for days and when I want to play I managed to cut my left middle finger and it hurts like shit when I press the fucking keys

>>37181970
Somehow her first non always snipes me, i think i move too fast when dodging it.
Somehow did it perfectly as MarisaA too which confused me.

can anyone provide a blank up-to-date 1cc chart?

Always knew that Taosim was the religion for me. Yep, ever since I was a kid, always felt like my spirit would live forever with the universe.

>>37186044
Do you have replays or your failed attempts? I would like to watch it. UFO was one of my most painful 1cc, I'm curious what your suffering looks like.

>>37186231
Only have one atm, but will save the run I'm doing right now when I'm done with it.
Wish me luck!

>>37186321
>4 lives
YOU CAN DO THIS, KING. I myself prefer homing Reimu, but if you made it this far with Sanae you should be fine.

>>37186351
https://files.catbox.moe/meg5l0.rpy
https://files.catbox.moe/qen0ye.rpy
Got to Flying Fantastica again
Gonna try one more run for the day with SanaeB and then take a break

Talking about replays, do they mess with your game stats
e.g. the replay has a spellcard captured that you never achieved, will the game count it?
or if it's a clear of a character you never played, will it unlock extra for that character?

>>37186515
I know it does in Wily Beast and Weakest Creature, but I don't think so for the other games

>been trying to beat UFO with mainly SanaeA all this time
>can't get to byakuren with more than 3 lives
>best attempt at beating her with continues didn't make it past air scroll
>try out SanaeB after reading this thread
>holy shit that mob clearing and focused damage
>die to byakuren, do some attempts with continues
>realise how much a joke stage 6 becomes
>can kill more enemies than just the general area in front of sanae
>can get 4 extra bombs without much of a hassle when i struggled to get 2 with SanaeA
>can skip most of the dangerous nons and cards with a bomb
>kill byakuren after a few continues with just one life lost
Man, I really feel like I've been wasting my time now, if the 6 hours I've played SanaeA are accurate. Stage 3-5 still have some rough spots to iron out, but now that I can practice everything freely this 1cc should be in the bag.

>>37186387
Damn that second run is tragic. You were doing well but pasta just erupted from your pockets during Byakuren fight. Happened to me as well but even more extreme.
First run, on the other hand, was full of spaghetti spillage during stages 3-4, but you somehow managed to get to Byakuren's final. I'd be so tilted that I'd just restart.
Don't neglect green ayys. Not having empty bomb bar should be higher priority than having full life bar. If you don't die with bombs in stock then focusing on green UFOs and bombing is more sustainable. There were a few moments during those runs when you could've survived a spell spending less resources, but your vitamin [P] deficiency didn't allow you to kill boss in a timely manner.
Also grab blue saucers when you have big UFO summoned to get rid of them.

https://files.catbox.moe/qvbj8r.rpy
Hey there Hijiri
What's it like in Makai city
I'm a thousand miles away
Because your fight is just so shitty
>>37187038
I reach Byakuren's final nearly every time I play.
Also since SanaeA's bomb can erase the bullets during Flying Fantastica, I think I'm going to focus on the green ayys. Nearly came my pants when I realized this.

>>37187111
Looks like someone got punished for betraying Reimu.

>>37187111
>SanaeA's bomb can erase the bullets during Flying Fantastica
All bombs can, Sanae is just a bit more reliable than say Reimu since both her shottype's bombs cover the whole screen

That's it

Takin' Nazrin to Chuck E. Cheese
Five minutes later: "Anon fuck me please!"
Eyes on the prize
Eyes on the prize
The surprise 'tween Kogasa's thighs
Ichirin my Bitchirn
Scoldin' from Unzan
Fistin' a nympho nun
Blasting all my cum
Saw Murasa's Sailor Moon
Might've been Reisen 'cause now I'mma loon
Eenie Meanie Miney Shou
Catch a tiger by the toe
If she hollers she's a hoe
Eenie Meanie Miney Ren
TIME TO FUCK BYAKUREN
GRAB HER HAIR AND COUNT TO TEN
NUT MY WAY TO MYOUREN
EENIE MEANIE MINEY WHO
ON MY WAY TO BAREBACK NUE
GREEN RED AND BLUE
UFO ROMANCE WOOHOO

https://files.catbox.moe/13ymix.rpy
I am genuinely surprised if I manage to retain any sanity by the time I beat this.

https://files.catbox.moe/5musq9.rpy
My suffering is over and my conversion to Taoism can finally start

>>37189951
play SA and beat Koishi's stage with all shot types!

>>37189965
Maybe she can still read minds after all, was going to try SA again.

>>37189974
>she can still read minds after all
Not really, I just looked at your chart and noticed it's one of the few games that doesn't have any clears on it. Also, do more Hard 1CCs ffs

>>37189995
Doing EoSD hard is what made me want to play UFO. Will probably try PCB hard because I've gotten to Youmu a few times. Or maybe Ten Desires because besides Yoshika's curvy lasers catching me off guard it was fairly easy.

>>37189995
Oh, and I'd do Mystic Square hard but ever since I changed my keys from the arrows to the numpad Nekoproject's been running weird with games that have focus mode. Can only play PoDD and SoEW without my character going at a snail's pace

>>37189951
You WILL play HrTP.

>>37190633
Alice ate it

>>37191273
*shoves two fingers into Alice's throat*
SPIT IT OUT!
SPIT IT OUT!

>>37189951
Congratulations!!

>>37189951
That was a wild ride
Congrats

>>37185811
tasukete kudasai

>>37185811

>>37193984
thank you.

>>37194074
you're welcome

>>37124104
No but the old Alt+Enter trick works fine.

God damn it

>>37196055
The torch has been passed

Playing Animism now, MarisaC is probably the best especially since you can cheese Orin with Nitori's shield. If you have 3 bombs, Spleen Eater is a guaranteed life piece. Satori's also pretty easy when she's using Nitori's spellcards. All the bombs kinda suck besides ReimuC's, or ReimuB's if you use it in a bullet clot.

>>37197050
ReimuA's is good because it clears all bullets on screen at a time. It's pretty helpful in the Extra stage

>>37197050
ReimuC's bomb lets you cheese everything up to Okuu's final. It's the only way I managed to 1cc this game.

>>37197059
Yeah but as a bomb it's not all too powerful. MarisaC's does the same thing except it has more utility.
>>37197100
Knowing my track record with Bykuren's final taking up 3 of my lives on a 1cc, I'd rather focus on a shottype where the bomb doesn't make the boss invincible. I do admit that ReimuC is a cheese god.

I pulled it off in the next serious attempt after multiple restarts before stage 4. Pretty solid run all around.

>>37197595
Two UFO 1ccs in 24 hours
Threads blessed

UFO/WBaWC have my favorite gimmick because of how it rewards the player without being too forgiving (UM/HSiFS) or too frustrating (LoLK
SA is probably my least favorite because while it does reward the player, it does so in a way that those who don't need extra lives will be the ones getting them. Making a UFO route is fun, but struggling not to die during some of Yuugi's attacks and most of Orin's is not. Thank Miko for Nitori cheese.

>>37202384
I like UFO because every run feels different by it constantly making you balance the risk/reward of picking up a UFO while under a barrage of bullets. SA is nice and simple in how it only tests your danmaku skills without any special gimmicks, but that makes it a bit bland in my eyes and not the sort of game I'd enjoy playing more than the bare minimum. LoLK is harder than SA, but it at leasts rewards grazing and getting some big number grazes is really satisfying to pull off so it's more enjoyable overall.

>>37202695
LoLK is fun up until Clownpiece, everything about her fight is annoying. A stage 5 boss shouldn't have two survivals.

>>37202729
For me LoLK is extremely boring until Sagume, especially Stage3 since the stage is forgettable and Doremy's spells are too specific and uninteresting. I enjoy stages 4-5-6 more, though I also dont like the Extra much because of Junko and some disappointing spells like the timeout and final. Timeout and final are supposed to be the climax but Hecatia blows her load too early with Lunatic Impact

>>37202729
I don't get why people make such a big deal of her survival spells when they're a complete joke compared to Flash and Stripes. Sure her first one took me 70 deaths to clear, but after you get the route down you should be able to do it in less than 10 attemps depending on how much the RNG stars mess up your path. Her second survival is even easier and is nothing but running circles.

>>37205856
Not that Anon but I'm just really not a big fan of survival cards and especially not when they're the opening and final spellcard of a fight with not that many spells to begin with
I have a similar problem with Chimata, though part of that is that I usually take high damage builds and every non-survival pattern goes by in seconds so the survivals are a huge whiplash in the pace of the fight

Tips for Eirin's last spell? I know killing the spirits first will make it a lot more easier especially with Malice canon but my noon ass will already get surrounded by her pill bullets before I can kill all the spirits.

>>37206145
pick a side and focus on that first, it's much easier to deal with bullets coming from one or two directions than it is all around you
I think she always sends the bubble bullets out in the same order as well so one side has more time to clear some spirits before they start spitting at you

https://files.catbox.moe/dee4mw.rpy
I got an Extra No Bomb on SA's Extra stage. What a good way to end the thread

>>37206145
Clear the familiars on the sides and the ones on the very center first. The ones on the center make the bullets spawn very low, so if you take them out first you'll have a bit more time to react. I've seen some people just killing the ones on the center and then going full youkai.

>>37206826
Congratulations! I'm impressed and hope you'll have a great weekend too.

Reimus the best character for LoLK actually because with her the bullets have normal hitboxes instead of mega fuckmassive ones