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Not in the Christian god.

No.

> He still beats his wife.
laughingjesus.jpg

No. Why would anyone believe in god?

>>3709850
Fuck you, atheist. You think you're so smart, don't you? Well, you're not.

Will someone ever tell me what program makes mosaics like this?

>>3709871
I use MS Paint. It takes quite a while though.

>>3709865
Are you alright bro?

>>3709886
He's mad

I believe in god but hate it

>>3710004
You started it.

I do and i confused...

Yes. Several. This one's my favorite.

I have absolute faith that god does not exist despite all of the available evidence. I'm so perfectly rational.

Yes, something had to cause the singularity that birthed the universe.

Whether or not God cares for humanity is another issue altogether.

I don't believe in a sentient god, and even if there was one then all religions are wrong about it. If god is infallible and humans receive the word of god, they will invariably corrupt the message and get it wrong because humans cannot support and recreate perfection. Therefor humans will always be wrong about god.

I like studying religions, and Japan's system with Shinto is pretty cool. Its coexistence, not feudal servitude. Very practical.

I do, I do indeed.

Pic related.

It'd be rather foolish to believe in some sort of superbeing without any sort of indication that there is one. Then again it'd be foolish to deny the existence of one without proof either.
People are so afraid to admit they don't know. It's sad.

>>3710233
Our god is a sexy bitch.

So which one was you, /jp/

>>3710232
basically all religion existed in that format in asia. Save for the nutty cults.

>>3710249
>>People are so afraid to commit. It's sad.

Fixed it for you, although I half agree. In the end it really doesn't matter since we live our lives and then die. If there isn't a god, well the people who require religion to purpose would have been unhappy if they knew. If there is a god, I doubt it would punish an atheist/agnostic for being practical and just trying to live a good and healthy life.

>>3710263
I'm not surprised, since its shamanistic in nature which is pretty much the most basic of religions.

Whats the difference between a religion and a cult? Size and money.

>>3710275
No compromising allowed.

Black. To hell you go.

Online Encyclopedia of Shinto:
eos.kokugakuin.ac.jp/modules/xwords/

Tsubaki Grand Shrine America:
www.tsubakishrine.org

Virtual Shrine Visit (with OMIKUJI (Fortune Strips)):
www.kiku.com/electric_samurai/cyber_shrine/

Yes, he protects us, hears our prayers and sits atop his space dust throne.

>>3710275

At best, you'd be sent to Purgatory.

>>3710281
Except that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, one of the more sizable and wealthy religions, is widely regarded as a cult.

I think the existance of a god is unlikely. I also think that the universe is so expansive and we have such a little understanding of the universe that we can't even begin to try and grasp how it works.

>>3710297
A wizard/Yukari/God did it.

>>3710286
I don't mind mock trials, but can't you at least give a better reason or not one at all?

I'm Agnostic/Deist.

My mother's not too happy about that. I think she's confusing Agnostic and Deist with Atheist.

Oh and atheists are stupid. I'm not talking about college educated scientist/doctor atheists but the type of douche you find in high school or your sophomore year in college. The only argument they have is HURR DURR YOU CAN'T SEE HIM XD XD.

Idiots.

>>3710310
>I'm an atheist
>atheists are stupid
Well I was about to call you stupid, but you just did it yourself

>>3710304
Before all time and space Suika punched a cluster of highly unstable substances just for jiggles. Now we are here.

>>3710315

I don't even know how to react to this.

>>3710310
Fucking eh these frivolous threads.

>>3710316
Exactly. And this is why we all want to travel to Gensokyo to meet our makers. And hopefully date them.

Nope, never have. Won't happen.

I don't mind them religious people, as long as they keep their religious things for themselves. In return I'll keep my atheistic things for myself. Everyone happy.

>>3710257

in b4 umineko logic

>>3710294
It still gets govt protection and tax exemption like an established religion though. In time people will just begrudgingly accept it as another weird religion. I just hope Scientology doesn't last long enough for that.

>>3710292
Eh, I'd rather chill in Purgatory with people like me than have to hassle with self mutilation and bribery (I'm looking at you, Catholics).


That's one thing that has always bothered me. People proselytize and say they are doing it because its god's will and that he deserves to have everyone's thanks for creation and etc. But why would god care? If god is so cosmically vastly oriented, why would he care about the opinion of beings which are less than ants to him/her/it.

People also proselytize because they are trying to "save others' souls" but that is obviously just an aggressive method to reinforce their own beliefs so they don't have to deal with conflicting ones.

>>3710328
Get familiar with the meanings of the things you're talking about. You're probably an (agnostic) atheist, just like most atheists.

>>3710308
You must follow your way in life with conviction and purpose. If you don't want to believe, that is alright. If you believe, that is alright as well.

Being aimless is a sin, but not a great one. 50 years in the upper parts of hell and you may return to reincarnate as a young girl. You are dismissed.

>>3710345
>Thinks Atheist,Agnostic and Deist are the same thing.

>>3710275
Why commit, though? It'd be making an uninformed choice... when you didn't even need to make a choice in the first place.
We don't know if there is a superbeing or not. Short of trying to find out, there is no decent course of action.
Though I guess you could worship a hypothetical superbeing for fear of being punished after death, but that's a really long shot.

>>3710360
No, I-
Oh, fuck off. I'm not arguing with a reaction image.

>>3710376

>>3710345
He claimed to be an agnostic deist, you lackwit. Read before you shitpost next time.

>>3710354
But your "way of life" can be a philosophy, and everyone's believe structure is inherently a personal philosophy. The only ones that are applicable to your complaint are "social butterflies" who jump from religion to religion without committing and use it mostly as a label.

I have my own belief, and am not looking for a new one. I'm not aimless. If anyone should go to hell, its people who never question their own religions and simply perpetuate what their parents taught them.

>>3710361
Its human nature to need answers to the unknown, otherwise they feel helpless and insignificant. Thus religion is mostly a comfort to give purpose and self hypnosis. "Faith" essential is believing and committing to an assumption despite it ultimately being an uniformed choice.

>>3710382
He said agnostic/deist, which gives off a different nuance from "agnostic deist". To me, anyway. I could have been wrong though.

>>3710410
Talking back to the Yama. Black. 1000 years in the Hell of Angry Sermons.

>>3710287
"Practically Religious: Worldly Benefits and the Common Religion of Japan" by Ian Reader is also a very good resource.

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

>>3710436
Quit saying Black and White, the Yama does not work that way. She judges everything and takes into account all circumstances, to arrive at a mountain of black and white for every person judged.

Logic is more powerful than god.

>>3710436
Worth it just to hear her cry out "Kyaa~n" every time I slammed a paddle into that supple round ass of hers. Seeing how she would gyrate those painful red cheeks upwards into the stroke as if begging for another hit as she ground her wet crotch into my knee. Well that and the way she'd slightly bite down onto my finger after each slap as she dumbly sucked with eagerly searching tongue.

Yeah, I'd go to hell for that.

>>3710469
Shiki's pretty powerful. You wouldn't get close to attempting it.

>>3710486
I've got insider help.

>>3710491
Close to attempting it? My mistake, you're ALREADY THERE.

Hallowed are the Ori

Sigh.. religion threads are always full of people who think atheism is about being certain that no gods exists. Atheists see how wrong it is of theists to claim absolute certainty in their beliefs, and therefore take care not to commit the same errors themselves. They don't accept religious claims without supporting evidence, but many take extra steps to always keep an open mind.

Now sage and hidden

>>3710509
That's stupid, you're stupid.

Yeah, I don't believe in god.

There's too much waste out there for there to be any plan here. Millions of species go extinct. Entire solar systems that could support millions of lifeforms, burning their incomprehensible amounts of fuel for no-one's benefit.

We are all there is of anything that could resemble God. It is our prerogative to encourage the existence of moral and just life, to make ourselves and everyone else happy. If we just keep creating misery like we're doing, we have no reason to exist.

>>3710509
And in every thread there's the dude that says what you just did.
Every time I ask them "Then what do you call someone who claims that there is absolutely no divine being of any sort?", but they never answer. I guess you won't either.

>>3710504
Harrowed are the Orin.

If there is a god, he must only be on his first play through. He can't cheat and use a guide so he keeps making crap choices.

>>3710523
Agnostic atheist

>>3710523
Gnostic atheist

What you don't understand is that many atheists DO claim absolute certainty in their beliefs. The people who don't want to be lumped in with those idiots call themselves agnostic.

>>3710538
I think you mean Gnostic Atheist

>>3710532
Maybe he's on his last playthrough, almost bored with the game. Maybe he's setting us up for a major disaster akin to the black death, the holocaust, WWI etc...

Sim City had a disasters menu for a reason.

>>3710523
Wait, wait. I should make this more clear. It's probably just people arguing over semantics.
Person1 does not believe in any specific deity but recognizes that one (or more) *may* exist. He just doesn't know.
Person2 believes that there are no divine beings of any kind.
What would you call Person1 and Person2?

>>3710526
I don't know why I laughed, but I did.

You should live by whatever makes you healthy, happy, wise and strong. I don't care what anyone believes, it just annoys me when people try to shove their beliefs down your throat.

>>3710553
Person one is an agnostic atheist
Person two is either an agnostic or a gnostic atheist, whether he's agnostic or gnostic is unknown without further information

>>3710543
There are some people who claim that there is absolutely no chance for god and are infuriated by religion itself.

There are some people who claim that there is likely no god but understand that religion and spirituality is inherently part of humanity, so they just roll with it.

There are some people who can't really commit to anything. They are called pussies.

Militant atheists ruin the "atheist" name for everyone else. Bitch ass whiny agnostics ruin their name likewise. Predominately most people within both groups are Agnostic Atheists who don't believe in a god because it is impractical and highly unlikely, but are ok with religion and generally let people just be with their beliefs.

Can't "atheists" and "agnostics" stop fighting and focus on conservative christian neo-cons who are fucking up the world?

>>3710523
that would indeed be a gnostic atheist. No beliefs in gods, and certain of it. What "agnostics" usually really are, are agnostic atheists. Anything other than having a positive belief in gods is atheism. There are just different degrees of it.
But why do I have to explain this to you? The image posted before said it all. How about you read stuff yourself instead of relying on other people to spoon-feed you information.

>>3710594
>Can't "atheists" and "agnostics" stop fighting and focus on fascist Islamic jerkoffs who are fucking up the world?
Fixed for relevance with the modern world, especially re: Europe.

I am starting to believe there is a greater/higher being out there. I mean really.

How did the universe form? Science.
How did science form? Elements being put together
How did elements form? Through various atoms & manipulated molecules?
How did atoms & molecules form?

You could keep going, but you'll eventually have to accept that they came into existence because of some other higher being.

>>3710623
How about focusing on militant religious conservatives in general? I mean that would take care of both the bat shit insane Christians and Muslims.

>>3710641
Are you serious? If you're going to be that ignorant about it, you would have been better off not even knowing about those basic things.

>>3710642
And the intolerable militant Atheists, as well. I like your way of thinking.

>>3710641
There is no good answer for "what came in the beginning" because humans cannot grasp the infinite. Neither religion nor science has a good answer for it.

If you really want to take that path, just say "God made the world, and Science explains how that world works. God is the 'why' and Science is the 'how'." Hell even human evolution could have been god's will.

>>3710598
You realize that most people aren't going to listen while you explain gnosticism and agnosticism in the Real World, you fucking nerd?

>>3710641
>where did the higher being come from?
"it always existed"
Therefore it is easier to believe a omnipotent being "simply always existed" without the equal chance of the universe "simply always existed"

>>3710591
Person2 wouldn't call themselves agnostic, though. Agnosticism is specifically the lack of knowledge, and Person2 claims to *know* there are no divine beings.
>>3710598
Why would you add "atheist" after agnostic? We're talking about religious belief here, shouldn't "agnostic" say everything there is to be said about it?
When I say I'm agnostic, people should understand my position perfectly. I also don't want to be lumped together with gnostic atheists.
There really needs to be one-word names for these positions. When I see "agnostic" I assume the person claims not to know, so when I see "atheist" the only possible definition left is "gnostic atheist". Therefore, "agnostic" and "atheism" suffice to describe people's positions.

> fascist Islamic jerkoffs who are fucking up the world?

more like fascist Imperialist. Grow up fagget

>>3710658
Atheists don't fight religious wars. They fight normal wars like every other normal smuck. And they don't have "crusades" and "jihads" which is what we are having to deal with now.

And even if there were "intolerant militant atheists" (which there really aren't), their numbers would be so small that their aren't even a threat. Especially when dwarfed by the size of all the uneducated religious zealots which are causing the global problems.

The biggest tyrannts the world had to see were always atheists with some occult hobbies as cataclysm for their sexual deprevations

>>3710672

In Shinto, the kami came into being with the creation of the universe.

>you'll eventually have to accept that they came into existence because of some other higher being

That doesn't conclude anything, that just perpetuates the cycle even more.

>>3710679
Religious wars were always fought for nothing else than for rational reasons. On the other hand you have Hitler, Stalin,Mao and the Jewish Lenin Crew murdering hundreds of million of people in the 20th century alone.

>>3710689
Hitler was a Christian who said he was doing god's will, despite his occult tendencies.

Also you can't be an "occult atheist." Those are conflicting stances.

>>3710679
Are you stupid? Atheists fight religious wars ALL THE GODDAMN TIME. It's why everyone hates them, they think it's their duty to wipe out every last bit of organized religion on the planet.

>>3710706
Look, you can say "oh you can't be that, it conflicts" as much as you like, but that isn't going to stop real people from being it and describing themselves as such.

>>3710706
I thought Hitler hated Christianity, but liked some of the more extremist values in it (which he used).

>>3710705
Most wars are based on political or economic power. Religion is just the banner waved in its name. The problem is that people who are religious are tricked into thinking that it actually is a "holy war" and end up dying for it.

>>3710679
Atheists have only recently grown to sizable numbers, and only did so at a point when it was obvious that "religious wars" involving the use of force of arms do not accomplish what they set out to accomplish.
They do, however, function as a driving force of social movement, including - in no small accounts - social oppression. They are militant, just not armed.

Also, am I mistaken, or did I read an allusion to the "X isn't as bad as Y, therefore it's okay" argument in that? If I did, please stop using it. It's foolish.

>>3710689
"Cataclysm" is not the word you're looking for. Perhaps you meant "catalyst"?

>>3710663
>you fucking nerd
Says the man arguing over the Internet.

>>3710707
I'm agnostic and I'd destroy every religion if I could. People imposing their rules to everyone else when they don't even know if they're right or completely wrong... that's extremely fucked up.
Of course I'm just one person who dislikes trouble, so I just stay home and complain about religion on the internet, but you get my point.

>>3710719
No he didn't and most of you seem to misunderstand history. Most rules always used religious beliefs for their own benefit and nothing else, because belief systems always were always will be the best methods for manipulation of the masses. Beliefs change with the times, what was primary religious beliefs back then shifted in modern times towards more sophisticated beliefs which are still being used for propaganda and war: Terrorism from super evil cave-dwelling marsian sandniggers, globalization, global warming ... just to name a few are used to manipulate the opinions and to silent the oposition by all means necessary.

>>3710707
Hahaha oh holy crap, you actually believe what you are saying don't you? Do you have any actually atheist friends? If you did, you'd know that most don't want to bother with dealing with religion because its so nutty. There are bigger things to deal with than imaginary friend name calling. The only time we even try to interact with it is to tell someone who is preaching to stop or because religion is mixing with politics in an oppressive manner.

You are acting like Atheists are the anti-christ. Trust me, you have more to worry about from a zealot of another religion than an atheist.

I sure do love religion threads.

>>3710742
>
I'm agnostic and I'd destroy every religion if I could. People imposing their rules to everyone else when they don't even know if they're right or completely wrong... that's extremely fucked up.


>Implying destroying religions isn't imposing your rules on everyone else.

Since the odds of a world like ours to exist are very very dim, I'd like to think that the initial spark was created by some kind of god.

Then again, it could be just a coincidence.

>>3710767
It is, but they attacked me first.
Killing someone is murder. Killing someone who attacked you first isn't.

RELIGION IS SUCH AN AWESOME DISCUSSION!@!!!

ITT: People generalizing about religious and non-religious groups to suit their own ignorant arguments, despite the fact that no one label can fully define everyone in that group.

>>3710641
I don't quite understand that logic. It's not ok for the universe and everything to have always existed, but it's ok for a God to have always existed?

>>3710781
It actually is. I wish we could discuss some of its history, but I doubt anyone gives a shit.

>>3709834
Atheist reporting in.

>>3710789
Labels might not be all that accurate, they're quite handy. That way when someone asks you about your religious beliefs, you can just say "I'm ----" instead of telling them every single subtlety just to have them say "Oh, so you're ----".

As for every belief you should be very careful about whom you are following. Once a belief grows strong enough trolls will enter the stage to exploit it for what it's worth. Andin the end all of you will be lumped together and attacked by other controlled groups of trolls.

It really doesn't matter what religion or non-religion you are now. Its a matter of how strongly you follow it.

Religiously liberal of any religion will not attack someone because of a different religious view because religion is more of a tool or guide than divine truth. Its all relative and everyone has the right to their beliefs as long as it doesn't harm others.

Religiously conservative of any religion are much more likely to take offense to any criticism or differing view because they believe in the literal translation of whatever holy text as divine truth. They are the ones who cause hate crimes and zealously call for/fight religious wars.

Liberal > conservative.

Alright maggots, now is the time to choose sided as today is marked /jp/'s reliday.

I'm anonymous and I'm fighting for the Romans like my fathers did. Only the Holy Roman Catholic Church will bring us prosperity and hell and fire for the heretics. I AM ROMAN

>>3710808
Labeling and describing yourself is fine. Its when people do it for you and twist it that causes problems.

if the greeks had won against the romans, then we would be arguing not over the existence of a christian god, but of olympian deities. the course of history dictates what's justice and what's religion. if you're going to allow your beliefs to be manipulated through your ancestors' actions then you ought to re-evaluate yourself. so far, all evidence points to the sole purpose of using religion to control others. if there really was a god, he wouldn't care and you wouldn't know.

>>3710820
Liberals > conservatives/fundamentalist.

I think that's you meant, and so am just modifying it for you.

>>3710820
How can you not be religiously conservative? If you do not believe in your God to the fullest, aren't you going against your religion? Both the Bible and Qur’an say to kill those who do not believe enough, or those around you who don't believe at all.

>>3710807
Worst post in the thread. Nobody gives a shit.

>>3710837
Again, you won't find any liberals nor conservative in the mainstream, what you see is what you get and that is in fact manipulation of the dominant power structures exploiting the most popular current beliefs by bending their core towards their own objectives which in the end will result in reinterpration, redefining and reforming: In this case it's neoconservatism and neoliberlism, or Imperialism or Big Brother.
There are no liberals in politics, that's a contradiction. Who the fuck is going into politics to shot themselves in the leg?

Jefferson Bible, best bible. What's your favorite religious text, /jp/?

>>3710848
Its easy. Just understand that the religious texts are open to interpretation since things could be lost/altered in translation. Also understand that most stories are parables and fables that teach valuable lessons but are not meant to be taken as literal historical fact. Use religion as a helpful guide, not as an end-all support that controls your life.

>>3710820
>>3710837
>using the American definition of liberal and conservative as they have applied within the last generation
Riiiiiight.

>>3710867
Don't know but Cain and Abel would be good material for /jp/ same with Eva the fucking slut ruining everything.

It is more likely than not he exists. Quite probable in fact.

Even today you can dice into a thousand slides, scan with amazing accuracy and take samples from innumerable angles the human brain dead and alive, yet even the smartest S.O.B. that ever walked the earth can only tell you so much about what composes the palette we exist on and other such metaphysics, Why so many life forms ascend in a similar direction up the evolutionary graph and solve what makes us 'tick'.

Trust is the benefit of the doubt, and if the dollar in your pocket- wherever. 'In God We Trust' at least tells me common sense points to the notion there is a being over our head prospecting our happiness and prosperity. I think I can return the favor at least in some degree personally.

Jehovah's Witnesses outwardly state that 'all religions more or less point to the same god' only in different perspective and that seems to me this lord, whatever I may conceive him to be that this being values all these peoples' walks of life.

I don't believe in religion so much as I believe in God. Personally I find religion about imposing a set creed. Many people are overjoyed to practice the same thing again and again, but as for me it tastes upon my tongue like a stale, outmoded manifesto of confinement when there is so much more to experience as individuals that has proven to be safe and sane, and a wholesome measure of existence.

>>3710876
Shut up or I will come to your house and TAX AND SPEND ALL YOUR MONEY.

I'm a dream.

I believe in Mormon Jesus.

>>3710870
No one does this.
Also, I have a really hard time believing that "stone your children if they disrespect you" or "kill anyone whom is suspected of not believing" are good morals to follow.

>>3710899
Get the fuck out of here, Tidus.

>>3710905
NO TIME 4 LUV

>>3710707
Back in reality, there is a difference between a religious war in which people are killed in the name of religion, and a "religious war" in which atheists demand that they not be forced to participate in religious functions. You may find atheists irritating, but when was the last time a group of them went around killing people in the name of non-religion? The closest you can get is a handful of incidents in communist countries, but then you're talking about totalitarian governments cracking down on their own people for the purposes of strengthening political control rather than religious motives. When was the last time an atheist activist waited outside a hospital to shoot a chaplain for administering last rights to a dying patient?

>>3710543
I hear this claim a lot. What I do not hear a lot is actual atheists claiming that they know with absolute certainty that there is no god. Perhaps a small group do, but every atheists I have ever encountered has been open minded but simply unconvinced. Which brings me to my next point...

>>3710249
Why do we have to revisit the concept of burden of proof every time this subject comes up? Whenever a claim is made, the logical default is not "yes" or "maybe," it is always "no" until compelling evidence is provided to the contrary. Atheism is the logical default, they do not need to prove that there is no god. If I claim there is a magic invisible dragon in my wallet, your default response is "prove it or shut up," not "well, I can't prove you don't so maybe you do." The necessity of this standard becomes greater as the stakes in the claim are raised, for example with a supreme ruler of the universe.

>>3710820 here. Perhaps I should make myself clear:

Religious pragmatist > religious fundamentalist/idealist.

I should not have used politically oriented descriptors because they generalize and cause confusion. Although anyone in politics who uses religion to support their argument is a problem, such as neo-cons.

>>3710932
It doesn't matter who you've encountered. This is a perception thing, and atheists are often perceived as closed minded idiots.

>>3710902
Actually many people do this. Religious fundamentalist/ideals are not the majority, despite their loudness and acting like they are.

Besides everyone inherently interprets things differently. For example: I don't see people following all the laws from the Book of Leviticus, despite how much they claim every word of the bible is true. People pick and choose what they want from religion then act like its divine truth. That's how you get so many different sects and denominations of one religion.

It sounds like you are saying that you can't believe in science and religion at the same time.

>>3710945
>atheists are often perceived as closed minded idiots
Where the fuck do you live?

Around here, people either believe in God or they don't believe in God. That's it. No one gives a crap about it. We were done forcing our beliefs down other people's throats about 500 years ago, so as long as you don't have a crazy religion, no one is even going to bother asking what your beliefs are.

Silly Americans and your religious arguments.

Bob Ross damn it.
OP is a floping freemason.

>>3710890 It is more likely than not he exists. Quite probable in fact.

This is one of the stupidest arguments I have ever heard. A lack of understanding of physical phenomena is not proof of the existence of god.

Two thousand years ago they thought lightning was pretty damned definitive proof of god, but today we've got that one figured out. Two hundred years ago nobody had the slightest idea why people got sick. We figured that one out too. Human history is the story of discovery. Sure we don't know everything, but if history has taught us anything it is that human understanding is not a static thing. Someday we may very well understand exactly how and why the human brain works.

"Nun a them fancy pants saaeentists know bout that so god musta dun it" is about the lamest justification for religion ever.

>>3709834

The one god I worship rests in this book.

>>3710945
Nono, the stereotype of an atheist is an angry nihilist. Its religious people who are perceived as closed minded idiots.

And both are stereotypes reinforced by both sides to demean their opponents and attempt to nullify their arguments by attacking character rather than the argument itself.

>You are reporting post 3709834 on /jp/.

>>3710976
Reported for being a fag.

I guess. Pic related.

>>3710966
You know, it really hurts your position that you equate a stereotypical American South accent with ignorance and intolerance. Makes you come off as a bit bigoted, that.

>>3710988
Aww, you're so cute. If I water you, will you grow up?

>>3710961
I'm spiritually pragmatic and grow tired of dealing with outspoken heavily religious people. What nation do you hail from so that I might obtain a visa to it?

>>3710849
Why would I want to believe in something that doesn't physically exist and was made up by humankind itself? Worst fucking thread on /jp/ and not even relevant, yet it remains here.

>>3710992
>spiritually pragmatic
I want to punch you so much right now.

>>3710990
Actually I'm from the south and it sort of made me chuckle.

>>3710945
No, it's not a perception thing, It's a reality thing. That's the problem here.

Furthermore, atheists are only considered to be closed minded idiots by people who actually are closed minded idiots. If those people would take the time to actually understand what atheists were talking about, they would probably realize that it is quite the opposite of closed mindedness. Open mindedness does not mean agreeing with everybody, nor does it mean according every point of view equal weight when making a decision. It simply means taking the time to understand all of the facets of an issue, not just the ones you personally agree with, then recognizing that others may not reach the same conclusion. It does not mean that you will not discuss the matter or argue about it, nor does it mean everybody must be allowed to do whatever they want regardless of the situation.

Atheists are generally the ones fighting for religious neutrality in public life, while theists are often trying to force their particular brand of religion on everybody else under the guise of tolerance. It is not the same thing. Furthermore, most atheists tend to know more about religions than most religious people. They may not know as much as you about your particular sect, but on a broad scale they tend to be rather well informed. Many atheists have arrived at atheism after careful consideration of religion in general, not just the particular one they grew up with.

I like the "PURGE THE HEATHENS WITH RIGHTEOUS FIRE!" god, rather than the "I love all of my children" god.

He set a city full of faggots on fire. That is badass.

>>3710998
Ah hello my neo-con friend. I have a feeling we have been talking all night in this thread.

>>3710996
What sort of sick fuck are you if you don't want to believe in touhous?

>>3710848
>Both the Bible and Qur’an say to kill those who do not believe enough, or those around you who don't believe at all.
I dunno about the Bible. But the Quran did have a verse saying that I have beliefs that are different than you and vice versa, I won't follow your teachings and vice versa, Let mine be mine and yours be yours.

That's Liberal enough

>>3710998

>>3711000
This. This. A thousand times this.
I think I love you.

>>3711007

>>3711006
Believe? Love.

>>3711007
The bible has tons of liberal stuff in it, just look at Jesus.
>>3711006
Touhous are real, though.

yeah, pic related.

The only God I believe in is Man.

>>3711007
Indeed. Mohammad even gathered scholars who were both Hebrew and Christian to help create the Quran. Islam itself is actually a very peaceful religion which actually asks its followers to give more to charity than Christianity (something I always found interesting). Its only at the ending of Mohammad's story which some focus on and skew. Mohammad fled rather than fought nearly his whole life, and only at the very end when he was cornered did he take up arms.

Its sad that militant Islamic fundamentalists can use a beautiful thing and corrupt it into a tool of destruction. Its even sadder that ignorant people associate all Muslims with these bastards.

So now that the super religious and fundamentalist have ragequit, time to post pics? Fuck yeah!

I believe that hot lesbians, long hair, breasts, and zettai ryouiki is divine and should be worshiped.

>>3711073
I'm super-religious and fundamentalist. I believe in Touhous and that ZUN's word is the only word on the matter. This does not mean that great doujinshi-ka should be disregarded, but they are not divine truth, and I will not treat them as such.

We should all be witches. Then we don't have to take crap from any church, and you can have MAGIC!

>>3711090
If you had a chance to tap that, but it was a sin, would you?

>>3711073
I don't give two shits about lesbians, but you've sold me on the rest.

This thread is so retarded it hurts.

Everyone who isn't an agnostic atheist should be killed. Everyone who is an agnostic atheist and doesn't think everyone who isn't an agnostic atheist should be killed should also be killed.

Discussion over.