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She's a slut.

>>3700653

She's a cock craving slut where her vagoo were erotical black hole.

I like her

Only i can masturbate to Emiya-kun.

>>3700655
What... what did you do to her, you monster!

>>3700653
>>3700654
She's devoted to a single person. She's not a slut at all.

>>3700670
She gets fucked by penis worms and Shinji on a regular basis. Therefore, she is a dirty woman.

>>3700677
Not by her own choice. You can't blame her for that.

>>3700695
When does this expire?

>>3700695
do good intentions count as contraception?

>>3700719
No, but Sakura can't get pregnant anyway.

Sakura is sweet.

Saber is boring.

Rin is bitchy.

Now tell me, which do you REALLY prefer?

Why is Rin such a slut?

>>3700753
The slut.

>>3700754
She's not, she's just a total bitch.

>>3700753
Rider.

>>3700769
That's not fair. Rider is perfect in every way.

Do you have to ask?

>>3700753
rin

>>3700753
HIDDEN SUPER OPTION: RIDER

>>3700771
Why is she mooning me?

Wheres all the saber love?

Rin >> rider

>>3700782
Except in the bedroom, which is where it really counts.

>>3700753
Rin.
I am a minor masochist and I like fiery girls who have a hidden weak side.

Also, S-grade Zettai Ryouiki.

>>3700770
BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW she fall for that redheaded moron

>>3700789
Ayako isn't a redhead.

You faggots all know deep down that Sakura is the best choice.

Me and Sakura having fun

>>3700782
Sorry but the only way that Rin beats Rider is at being someone you could hang out with and have a basic joking around relationship where you tease each other, in every other way Rider wins hands down.

>>3700732
> No, but Sakura can't get pregnant anyway.
HOW GIRL GET PRAGNANT

>>3701587
Unless you don't like Purple hair, gorgons, titty monsters, tall women and silent types.

>>3700753
Ryder, nigga!

Where did they ever say Sakura was barren?

She will be wonderful mother.

>>3701587
Rider is all looks, no personality.

^___________________^

>>3701632
Not true, she just has to kill her emotions when she fights for that dick Shinji, when she starts to hang out at Shiro's place in HF and in HA her personality shows through, saying she has no personality is like saying that Saber has no personality because she looks upon fighting enemies as her duty.

>>3701628
This picture is impossible. They were never allowed to meet after Sakura left the family.

>>3700646
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>>3701653
Nobody knows about it because everyone who witnessed it was HNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGG'd to death.

>>3700646
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>>3701662
But the girls themselves didn't HNNGGG. Surely they would be the most affected.

They were so innocent.

What happened?

>>3701756
Their shitstain of a father/husband sold one daughter to the worms. In return he got, as far as i know, nothing.

>>3701795
He got one less mouth to feed.

>>3701628
That she will!

>>3701835
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>>3701841
With all the times he made her experience the pleasure of being cummed inside, you knew it would happen eventually.

>>3701844

oh, this worm loving slut's thread again

>>3701844
So, canonically, how many people (not worms) actually came inside Sakura during FSN? Just Shinji and Shirou right?

>>3700649

Everyone always hates the cutest one.

>>3701858
No, the cutest one is pretty popular.

>>3701865
Pic unrelated

>>3701856
I did.

She is just an unfortunate girl who wants at least some happiness in her life. Is that so much to ask?

Also, fuck you.

>>3701930
If she can't derive happiness from the pleasure of being cummed inside, that's her own fault.

>>3700753
Caster is clearly the best

Her extreme shyness/timidness completely neutralized my typical fetish for purple haired girls. It didn't help she had a highly superior one as a Servant.

Also, because I didn't connect with her to begin with due to how much she annoyed me, I couldn't dredge up any sympathy for her in HF. It made that route kind of hard to read.

>>3702130
Pretty much this. I don't care for slut part, there's other much better reasons to dislike Sakura.

>>3702130
Yeah, I couldn't really bring myself to like or sympathize with Sakura because her personality just bored me so much. Interesting things happen to her, but she herself is not interesting.

This was especially apparent in Hollow where everything involving her was just slice-of-life with no actual events taking place, so she had nothing to do but talk about cooking and archery.

>>3702088
I would be interested in a caster route simply due to the fact that they made her so unlikeable throughout most of the game, it would be interesting to she how she would reconcile with Shiro as her master, (this is assuming that she would not initially kill him as he is such a novice as both a master and a magic user that she would perceive him as ridiculously easy to manipulate for her own goals.)

>>3701628
>>3701756
is there a full rs of the fate zero artbook scans

>>3702162
I dunno, I'm not usually into LOL SHIPPAN, but I just can't imagine her with anyone other than Kuzuki. Shirou/Caster would be weird.

>>3700649
Sakura in that whatever-you-call-it outfit on the right always reminded me of this.

>>3702191
Looks like someone needs a bigger chest protector.

>>3702162
It would be an interesting route

...WHY CAN'T IT BE REAL

>>3702191

Bigger then her head. Jesus.

Still I would have preferred a girl like that over Sakura.

>>3702220
That is some serious sameface there.

>>3700790

OH GOD, SCARF HAIR!

HNNNNNNNNNNNG!

>>3700649
Because /jp/ is into tsunderes and moe.
Loyalty and dedication is pig disgusting.

>>3702347
>Loyalty and dedication

Sakura was the best of the three girls until her own route came along and ruined her forever.

>>3702347
>Loyalty
>dedication
But /jp/ likes Rider and Caster.

>>3702350
You are mixing up the purity of the mind with that of the body. She went batshit insane and killed him when he threatned her to tell everything to Shirou.
She'd rather commit murder than to have her beloved think less of her.

>>3702356
Ayakofags and Luviafags, take note. This is why side characters shouldn't get routes.

>>3702359
>She'd rather commit murder than to have her beloved think less of her
Wow, when you put it like it makes her sound like a selfish bitch.

>>3702365
>put it like that, it
I can type.

I never found her to be shy. She's smiley, confident, and sweet in her times cooking with Shirou and Taiga.

I mean, look at the other girls in FSN. She's way more romantically assertive (slut dohohoho) than the other girls. Rin is completely repressed in her relationship with Shirou. Saber and Shirou's involvement felt less romantic and more like comradeship, like bros with benefits (this was not a bad thing).

Honestly, I think she gets the dislike because she virtually doesn't exist outside of heaven's feel. Whereas Rin got tons of screentime but even her own route didn't focus on her romantically, Sakura's is almost the opposite with sex sex and then crazy evil. We see all of her weakness and darkness all at once and in such extremes that it puts a lot of people off. Saber and Rin have their own problems, but they aren't explored as deeply as Sakura's and they're also interspersed with normal interactions, while Sakura rapidly heads into Angry Mayu(that was a joke) land and is evil until her redemption.

It's a good plot, but it works directly against liking Sakura, and since Heaven's Feel is all about how Shirou's love for her overcomes his obsession with his ideal, it weakens the story.

I think Heaven's Feel would have been stronger if Sakura's character had been more firmly established, instead of only living in the beginning section that you skip after your first time.

>>3702365
You... you...
ENOUGH TALK
HAVE AT YOU

>>3702357
Rider and Caster are simply better than any of the heroines anyway

>>3702365

She kind of is. In her own route Sakura is controlled by petulance, myopic rage and alien parasites in equal proportion. The only defense she has is that she's like that because of forces beyond her control. She's just too scared and weak of will to kill herself even though she knows that would instantly solve all the problems of everybody, including her dear senpai, so she descends deeper into madness.

It's an explanation. It's probably not an excuse though, and no matter what it certainly doesn't make her very appealing. Her whole route was half Nasu going "let's see how fucking disgusting I can make her backstory" and half her causing a shitload of problems to all by insisting on continuing to exist.

It's kind of like Kohaku in that other VN - sure, what happened to her was horrible, but the moment she started taking it out on completely random people she lost her right to live.

>>3700645
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>>3702378

Agreed, sort of.

She's also hindered by how poorly established her love for Shirou is, and the reverse is even less solid. Both Saber's and Rin's relationships were built gradually, but Sakura loves Shirou before the novel even starts and the reason is just lame. And frankly I never quite understood why Shirou was so obsessed with Sakura - sure she's nice to him, I can see why he would _like_ her, but to completely devote himself to her to the exclusion of everything else? Come on, you've got to give me something more to suspend my disbelief with.

>>3702419
Because heaving breasts.

>>3702419

Real people have done crazier things for someone who had a great rack and put out.

>>3702398
Wait one fucking minute there, how is that rapist SHIKI a "random" person.

>>3702441

For starters, her influence is the whole reason SHIKI started transforming in the first place (they say that in Hisui's route). That makes Kohaku indirectly responsible for every life SHIKI has taken. Then there's Akiha, who never did anything remotely bad to her.

I hate it when people talk about it like suicide is even an option.
This just in, for someone with dreams and hope death is not an option.
No one sane and happy would ever sacrifice himself, NO ONE.
Shirou does it only because he's crazy, as in "going around naked screaming in the middle of the street" crazy.
And the only responsables of all of it were Zouken and Avenger/Angya Manyu, the shadow was beyond Sakura's control, and when she snaps after killing Shinji she's not herself.

You know whose fault is here ?
Rin's, for sticking shamelessly to Shirou even though she knew Sakura was mad for him, and she never, ever approached her sister, she never really gave a fuck about her because she couldn't deal with her guilty feeling. Sakura wasn't asking for a savior or even a sister, they could've been friends, but no.
And then there's Shirou, the "hero", so heroic that he turned a blind eye to Shinji beating her sister, and it was painfully obvious. Yeah Sakura stopped him, but abused woman all act this way goddamnit, Shirou can defeat servants but can't help a friend in trouble. What a great Hero.
Then there is Rider. You know Rider you're a Servant, not a doll, you CAN act on your fucking own. She goes psycho on you if you don't stick to Sakura, but she lets Shinji and Zouken have their way with her. There's another hypocrite.
I can go on, but the words' limit is a bitch.

>>3702419
I don't think her love is poorly established at all.

If you thought that her story about Shirou trying the jump was the only reason she loved him, I could see that.

But the fact is they've been hanging out and supporting each other for over a year when the story starts out. They're close friends and you can tell that from the way they interact with each other. That story is the reason that she first noticed him, not the focus of their love.

The extreme lengths Shirou goes to, of course, aren't properly developed. But their relationship felt genuine at least.

>>3702455
I don't think you can really make that case. Remember that SHIKI succumbed to the inversion impulse eight years ago, with no Kohaku intervention. In the Near Side routes, SHIKI's will lost to Roa's, right then and there, which means for the inferior half of the game Kohaku wasn't at fault. In the Far Side, I suppose you could credit her with destabilizing SHIKI and Akiha, but they would have gone crazy on their own eventually (their father, with weaker demon blood, required loli rape to remain sane) so all she did was make the VN take place while everyone was still young and good looking.

>>3702460
>I hate it when people talk about it like suicide is even an option.
>This just in, for someone with dreams and hope death is not an option.

Only if you put your own good above everything else in the world. That sort of thing makes you an egoist. it's a popular thing to be in these cynical times, but let's not pretend people aren't capable of paying with their own limited, insignificant lives to advance something they believe in more.

For instance, Sakura. Not only was she slavishly devoted to Shirou, she knew that if she didn't off herself, there would be a good chance of the fucking world being destroyed and that she would herself die in the end no matter what. That doesn't leave much room for rational decisionmaking.

I loathe and despise Rin, but her playing hardball in HF was the sane and responsible thing to do. Sakura needed to go, it's not fun or nice but that's how the situation was.

>>3702482

Even if I agree to that, which I'm not sure I do (since she explicitly takes all credit for everything bad that happened in Hisui's route, the fact remains that she intentionally set up Akiha to die in her fight against SHIKI for no reason at all.

>>3702455
Are you sure about that? I could be mistaken though.

Let's also not forget whose reincarnation he is. He's a psychopath through and through, you can't possibly pin the blame on her for that.

Also, if you rape and abuse someone to the point where they can't understand what love is anymore, I find it really hard to blame her for her actions.

If a man starves a dog until it bites at strangers, do you blame the dog or the man who raised it?

>>3702489
>Only if you put your own good above everything else in the world. That sort of thing makes you an egoist. it's a popular thing to be in these cynical times, but let's not pretend people aren't capable of paying with their own limited, insignificant lives to advance something they believe in more.

So you would sacrifice your happy life to save someone you never knew and never will ?
And on top of it, for something which isn't even your fault ?
... wow anon, just... wow...

>For instance, Sakura. Not only was she slavishly devoted to Shirou, she knew that if she didn't off herself, there would be a good chance of the fucking world being destroyed and that she would herself die in the end no matter what. That doesn't leave much room for rational decisionmaking.

Survival instinct has nothing to do with rational decisions.
No one wants to die, it's that simple, unless your shitty life is something worse than death, which is something Sakura didn't consider.
She was strong, so strong Zouken pushed her into Shirou's arms to break her and she did when Shinji acted like an ass.

>I loathe and despise Rin, but her playing hardball in HF was the sane and responsible thing to do. Sakura needed to go, it's not fun or nice but that's how the situation was.

I meant her behavior at school before the grail wars.

>>3702507
>If a man starves a dog until it bites at strangers, do you blame the dog or the man who raised it?

The man, but the dog still needs to be put down.

>>3702510
>So you would sacrifice your happy life to save someone you never knew and never will ?
You wouldn't sacrifice your life for everyone you know and care about?

>>3702510
>So you would sacrifice your happy life

1) Sakura had pretty much the opposite of a "happy" life and
2) she was going to lose it anyway no matter what she did (barring plot convenience). She knew that.
Also, she would not be just saving the hundreds of random strangers that she killed, she would be saving her beloved senpai. In her mind, that should damn well count for something.

>>3702511
Or cared for lovingly until it heals.

But you can't cure her?

This is the part where I lose the argument. She is redeemable, as was Kohaku. They both are savable and are saved. What is the point of killing a life that can be changed?

>>3702528
Except for, you know, how she was finally accepted as Shirou's lover.

If they hadn't chosen each other, she probably would have been able to kill herself. But come on, she was finally happy and had the life she had wanted since she was given to the Matous.

>>3702510

Sacrifice myself for greater good? Why not? It's not like any of us are going to live forever. The best we can hope for is to go out in style, and a martyr's death is pretty much the best death there is.

Also, let's remember that it was only the destruction of the whole shitfucking world that was at stake there. It's not exactly the sort of thing you can just let pass like it's not going to affect you.

>>3702551
Well, only the destruction of 51% of the world until the Counter Force steps in, but I digress.

>>3702551
Hope is a terrible thing, Anonymous.

>>3702544

I'm of the moral stance that people are always, always responsible for the harm they bring to others, no matter how bad day or year or life they have had prior to that point. Both of those women had their shit ruined from a very early age, that's a damn shame, but it doesn't give them a free pass to harm innocent bystanders. It's not like Sakura was lashing back at Zouken or Kohaku at Makihisa, they were butchering unrelated people.

>>3702524
>>3702528
And those people she should care about would be ?
I can only think of Shirou, and he isn't exactly powerless, and his life has been in danger since he joined the war.
As for me, I would do it, but only because I've got a dull life and I feel like I've got nothing to lose.
Sakura instead, she finally had relationship with the one person she loved for two fucking years.
Yeah anon, she was very very happy, despite how in deep shit she was.
Also, aren't you giving too much credit to Angya Manyu ? Even Kotomine wasn't sure if he would've been evil, and most of its action were dictated by instinct, to be born and to feed mainly.
Finally, Sakura lost it only when she killed Shinji, she was very well able to resist till the end, that was the reason why Zouken pushed Sakura toward Shirou, to let her open her heart and strike hard on it to break her.

>>3702566
I'm of the same general opinion, yet after reading both those VNs I'm tempted to say "Fuck the world, I'm saving her and consequences or guilt be damned.".
You can only save the people in front of you. I think I could live with that.

>>3702566
You do know that Sakura actually killed only two people ?
Those being Shinji and Zouken, and they totally deserved it.
You do know that Sakura =/= Shadow ?
You do know she's just the door ?
Then go kill yourself anon, your actions are bringing pain to the third world countries because you are unwillingly supporting capitalism.
Do it, come on, what are you staring the monitor for.
... I thought as much.

>>3702580
I don't think that Sakura or Kohaku is any less worthy of being saved than another human being.

To hold them to the same level of guilt as Zouken and Makihisa is insane.

>>3702582
And people don't kill people, guns do right?

>>3702582
Well she sure is like a door

Many men enter her

>>3702600
Dohohoho

>>3702590
Sakura is fairly blameless as the shadow was acting through her, sure she could have killed herself to stop it but most people wouldn't be willing to take their life to prevent someone from killing someone else.

Kohaku did act of her own free will to seek revenge by harming people not directly responsible for her suffering and that is not acceptable. Understandable, yes, but not acceptable.
That said I would try to save her.

>>3702582
Are you trying to say capitalism isn't the best thing to have ever happened to those shitholes anyway ?
Instead of all living a shitty malnourished life, at least 1% of the population can get off dominating the rest.

I dont like worms, so I dont like Sakura.

>>3702596
Uhh in this case Sakura would be the gun considering she's the one getting used...

>>3702596
The shadow used her to reach into the world and kill people, not the other way around.
Using your analogy Sakura would be the gun, not the person holding it.

>>3702590
>To hold them to the same level of guilt as Zouken and Makihisa is insane.

Why?

Okay, let's put the Sakura question on hold for a while and focus on the simpler case of Kohaku. How is her murdering Akiha, who has never done anything bad to her, fundamentally different from Makihisa raping her a couple thousand times? The victims were blameless in both cases. If anything, Makihisa's crime was more defensible since he was driven against a wall and stooped to child rape as a last resort to save his sorry ass, while Kohaku was threatened by absolutely nobody at the time she started her plot. And murder is the more serious crime of the two, even.

>>3702582
>You do know that Sakura actually killed only two people ?
>Those being Shinji and Zouken, and they totally deserved it.

>>3702644
Bad end doesn't count, nice try though.

>>3702644
Was that a bad end? I can't recall where it was exactly in the storyline.

>>3702677

The only reason that didn't happen was because she was actively stopped by other people.

>>3702677

That end only happens because SHIROU TAKES A LITTLE LONGER TO GET THERE. I am pretty sure that should count.

>>3702686
It happens because you failed to save her before she is driven to do something irrevocably bad, after that it's too late to save her. Assuming she is still possible to redeem that won't have happened.

>>3702686
By that logic, then the end of the world should count then as well.

>>3702683
>>3702686
Yeah right, "ifs" are a pretty weak argument.
Especially considering Nasuniverse is a multiverse.
There's probably a parallel reality where Shirou went crazy and killed everyone.
For the rest, you should seek up the Chaos Theory, the smallest shit can have HUGE ripercussions.

>>3702701
>There's probably a parallel reality where Shirou went crazy and killed everyone.

Yeah, a parallel reality. While Sakura was going to sentence her sister to infinite ultratorture in _that_ very reality, of her very own volition and choice. It's not the shadow doing it, it's her. It's what she herself wants to do.

The reality where that bad end happened, just as there are multiple realities where Shirou never even reached that point but was killed long before.

>>3702780
But she has boobs and a back so sexy it makes you want to puke, so she gets a free pass on everything.

>>3700649
I don't, and neither do most of us - you REALLY think high standards is what's stopping these people from landing a companion?

>>3702780

Hey, technically its not infinate since she said Rin was experiancing what she went through. So it should logically end after ten years or so?

>>3702797
There is also at least one reality where Shirou took the proper course of action for this situation. Of course i'm refering to Mind of Steel.

Woah, congratulations guys, I've been discussing with Sakura haters since the beginning of /jp/, but you've reached a new low.
Bringing in the possible actions of alternate personas in alternate realities to support your claims.
This is just denial at its worst, what could possibly top this ?

>>3702798

That's why Cherry Blossom's Dream was the True End. I could deal with Sakura and Shirou in that path because there was a comeuppance to them both in the end; Shirou died and Sakura went insane, like they deserved to. There's a certain justice to it all that makes it a proper tragedy instead of, well, that other end which I won't talk about.

Kohaku too had the good sense to off herself in Hisui's path, and even in the ending where she does survive she gets her memory wiped, effectively "killing" the guilty version of her.

What really decides whether the villain is good or not is whether there's a comeuppance in the end, not whether their backstory was sympathetic. It was the swimming lessons that made Light okay, without them he would have been a shitty character.

>>3702810
I both like and dislike the mind of steel ending.
Like it because NO COMPROMISE FUCK YEAR and dislike it because to me it feels like the easy way out.

>>3702836
Well it may feel like the easy way out as afterall, the easiest way to deal with a threat such as that present in HF it to prevent it from even taking action.

>>3702826
>Bringing in the possible actions of alternate personas in alternate realities to support your claims.

I don't understand why this is so hard for you to get: Sakura WILL torture her sister infinitely unless specifically stopped. It's not an "alternate reality". It's something she does unless stopped by others. It means she's fucking irredeemably evil at that point in the story and there is no way around it. You might have a case if you tried to argue it was the AM/worms driving her, but trying to handwave it away by saying it didn't happen is like saying that durka who missed the 9/11 planes should walk because he wasn't actually in the planes in the end.

>>3702830

Why would that have made Light a shitty character? There is all sorts of rat bastards who take advantage of other people to get ahead every single day and few if any of them are truely punished for it. It would of been more belivable for Light to win and not be punished at all.

Really, the best way is very often the easiest way. Things are usually considered difficult because they involve risks and suffering. It's both smartest and easiest to avoid the risks and suffering altogether... So yeah.

>>3702843

Because believability does not by itself make for a good story. Proper dramatic arc does.

>>3702843
Oh, school's out for the day already? I guess I'll eat some dinner. Thanks for reminding me.

>>3702810
I just want to know, how did Shirou suceed at all in Mind of Steel. I mean at this point Saber has been tainted and Shirou still has both of his original arms, so how did he beat any of the more difficult oponents like Berserker and Archer/Rin unless I'm remembering events incorrectly.

>>3702841
You can't make accusation on things that didn't happen, she didn't do that to Rin, she snapped out of it when she injured her, THAT is what happened.
Now just stop, you're making your bros look stupid.
I've had thrown at me much more convinving arguments than your ridiculous claims.
You should watch Minority Report, you'll probably love the concept behind PreCrime.

>>3702855

Presumably Kotomine helps him - though how he does that is hazy since he himself didn't have a servant at that point IIRC.

>>3702841

Same thing shorter: an attempted murder is just as evil as a successful murder.

>>3702862
get gun -> plan ambush -> trigger gun at master -> run away -> ??? -> profit

>>3702841
In preventing her from doing it you save her from becoming the person that did that.
Before she could affirm that the world might as well burn, she was changed by Shirou's actions.

>>3702855
All of Shirou's magic comes from his UBW, and UBW is at its strongest when Shirou's mind is clear of doubt, being his internal world.
Archer was fucking insecure, but even in that state he kicked ass, it's not that hard to imagine a steel minded Shirou being so much powerful, his projections would probably be very close to the real thing.
In the end he dies like a candle, but had he survived he would've become both Humanity's strongest ally and worse enemy.

>>3702854

>I have nothing related or of value to contribute to this.

>>3702870
It's the thought that counts.

Sakura had evil thoughts, so Sakura was evil. Period.

>>3700645
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>>3702889
I have evil thought yet I generally do good and don't act on evil impulses for one reason or other. That doesn't make me more evil that most people.

>>3702878
There is still only so much a relatively average person in physical parameters can do versus Herakles and his own Gaia-Enhanced Future self.

>>3702901
He still had Avalon, and Saber was near so his "plot" armor was in full effect there.
His body also turns into swords when he's nearly dead, which makes him more of a golem than an human.
Against Gil he was just lucky that Gil never bothered to master melee combact, otherwise he would've stand no chance.

>>3702901
Why attack the castle when you can poison the stream?

>>3702907
Fuck off Kefka, where'd you get a computer anyway?

Why don't you go back to pushing statues around like a little bitch, huh? Why don't you go on and go back to destroying the world?

>>3702906
I was refering to more towards in the theoretical Mind of Steel situation where Avalon wouldn't be working well at all.
>>3702907
That's too obvious. I mean you can't expect Shirou to master Kiritsugu level strategizing his first time can you?

>>3702919
Now I've got this mental image of Shirou laughing while swords roteate in circle around him.

>>3702927
I imagine with enough training, Shirou could do something like that.

This thread is now about sisterly love.

I love Rin and Sakura equally.

Saber can go suck a dick, she's not part of the family.

>>3700649
So where's she from, anyway?

The shadow is Sakura's will. She is evil.

>>3703201
Cool story bro. Maybe we should get you little fagget under the influence of AM with lots of accumulated energy

>>3703227
Hey, if Gilgamesh wasn't fazed by it, I wouldn't be, either.

>>3703189
Fate/stay in the kitchen

>>3703234
...are you really comparing yourself to fucking Gilgamesh?

>>3703254
Are you really bothered by it?

>>3703254
All the evils in the world? Hah, what is that compared to the darkest recesses of the internet.

If only Gilgamesh had killed her sooner.

Why was there no Sakura/Rin threesome, even in HA? Nasu is such a troll.

>>3703267
Well, considering that the interwebs are part of the world...

>>3703254
Other than being a King, Gilgamesh really didn't have any positive attributes. Before he met Enkidu, he saw the majority of the population worthless and killed them. He believed to be higher than anyone on the Earth.
When Enkidu came around, he smartened up and began to have some compassion. Even after Enkidu's death, he was still sort of an ass, but he did reach his goal and become immortal, through songs and stories. (Whether they were positive or not!)

>>3703297
We're all inside?

>>3702455
Nope, afraid not. SHIKI's backslide is, by and large, Kohaku's fault. But it was also SHIKI's own inability to deal with Shiki's killing impulses, something he picked up through fusing, that lead him to do more than simply kill people for food. Kohaku simply nutured was was not only already broken, but what could not, even by Makihisa's vision, be fixed.

Blaming her for SHIKI is only a half-truth--he was doomed from the moment he killed Shiki.

>>3702830
Protip: Stories are not supposed to be karmic and not all bad guys get just deserts. Now go watch Oldboy.

Anyone saying the shadow was Sakura's will wasn't paying attention to Kotomine's entire standpoint in HF. Anyone tossing around the worlds "blame" and "guilt" need to stop and check out the word "responsibility". Regardless of fault of the shadow feeding to grow stronger or Sakura's inability to control it, she has to take responsibility for those deaths--both she and Shirou say that much.

Further, she's not an irredeemable evil--by that token, Rin is twice as evil (erasing Shirou's memory for not accepting his help, forcing him to sit and watch with a Geis while she kills Sakura)--she has no alter persona to blame it on, as those are her typical judgment calls. Ones she is typically too weak to make unless pushed into a corner (having to admit with a gaping wound in her abdomen that she likes her sister).

For the delusional ones that thought Sakura killing herself would have lead to a justified and happy end, see Mind of Steel. Rin would have gone insane from the loss, Shirou would end up killing everyone and becoming Kiritsugu 2.0--that includes dying alone and miserable (which he would have done had he not stumbled across Shirou--ah. Another one of those what if scenarios).

>>3702460
>No one sane and happy would ever sacrifice himself, NO ONE.
I really, really liked the part where Shiki said about the same thing at the end of Akiha's route.
How dying heroic and self-sacrifice is just a load of shit and that there's nothing romantic about it.

>>3703201
The shadow is Angra Mainyu, which is very explicitly stated.

>>3703178

That's what Shirou is for.

>>3703365
>and becoming Kiritsugu 2.0--that includes dying alone and miserable (which he would have done had he not stumbled across Shirou--ah. Another one of those what if scenarios).

Well who cares, he'll just find his own Shirou. And that one will become Kiritsugu v3. And he'll find his own Shirou. It'll be Shirous all the way down.

>The shadow is Angra Mainyu, which is very explicitly stated.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but didn't Kotomine say something like "why don't you want it to be born, it hasn't done anything evil yet". Was that purely because killing was just in Manyu's nature, or was it because the shadow and Angra Manyu are two different things?

>>3703365
Good post, as it restates what actually happened in Heaven's Feel and not a highly personal interpretation of it.

>>3703398
I'm not sure I quite got your question, so I ask again if I don't answer it.

Kotomine is a warped human who sees suffering as pleasure. For his whole life, he's tried to be a good human being and failed because he was born with a completely different perspective of value.

Kotomine's arguement is not that Angra Mainyu won't be evil. It's more like he wants it to be born because he sympathizes with it, for being hated and evil but still trying to find living existence.

Of course, as fundamental evil, it definitely would do as much evil as it could if released.

>>3703365
Then she should kill herself

Blood for blood annd all that

FUCK YOU GUYS I LOVE SAKURA

>>3703437
If it was Ryougi and Kakatou/whatever his name was, that point would almost be valid. However, Sakura again says she's not so strong. What she might have done as a viable option several years earlier was made a non-option by the fact that Shirou accepted her, regarless of her flaws.

Put it in the shoes of Fuyou Kaede. She did Rin a grevious wrong and spent her days atoning for that wrong. However, she truly loved him, but feel and knew she didn't deserve him due to her own sins. But she loved him anyway, and begged him down the road not to love her in return, because she didn't think she could withstand the guilt.

It's the same for Sakura. She was fine going along with Zouken's plan and she started falling for Shirou. She knew how ugly and black her way of life was, but she didn't want to give the only silver lining up. And then Shirou suddenly accepted her, which made surrender/suicide worse as an option. She didn't want to hurt him, but had no usable option herself to STOP hurting him, and her death would have scarred him forever (again, the what ifs: Mind of Steel).

It was a Catch 22. Fortunately, the worst case was avoided thanks to Illya's actions.

>>3703614
Why didn't she do something before she met Shirou? It's unbelievable a child could go through that and just shrug it off, and then try to live a normal life. Sakura must have known that her very existence is a bad thing.

>>3703628
Because the sin was strictly on her. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the denizens of Miyama and Shinto. She didn't know SPECIFICALLY about Angra Maniyu until Gilgamesh killed her. She was in a sense just as blindsided as Shirou was about Sakura's abuse.

And by that point, it was already far too late. Shirou accepted her and consummated with her--no matter what at that point, she didn't want to give that up. She knew at that point how selfish and wrong and wicked it was, but she didn't want to give her happiness up anyway, particularly since it would've hurt Shirou badly.