/jp/ - Otaku Culture

on its way to becoming completely, utterly flooded by normalfags, mark my words

>>36175132
Isn't such a situation already happening with fumos?

>>36175132
>>36175151
I'm still wondering what would happen if Reimu is the final Smash character.

its big still, but in a different sense. it feels a bit more commercialized now with the near professional level gacha games and crossovers (sanrio comes to mind). years before fans weren't even allowed to make anime ovas with voice acting, but zun must be desperate for that child raising money.
the only newish thing i really like now is the game jams, it's a nice way to bring global fans together to make something.
i wish there was more of that than "consume product crossover" shit. if you're gonna go hard with big name companies at least use some of that money for encouraging fan creation events, its inline with the doujin roots.
>>36175132
this as well

>>36175212
I suppose that is my biggest concern. I got into Touhou pretty early on (I think around the release of Immaterial and Missing Power) and one of my favorite things about the franchise was if I ever started to feel burnout I could easily tamp down what I saw of it until I wanted to again. If it starts getting backed on a corporate level it might just start getting pushed on an absurd level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEik7v_rlXo Like this is both awesome and wrong at the same time.

>>36175151
It seems like Fumo is starting to become its own separate sub-fanbase, akin to a western version of Cookie with its own (shitty and weird) lore that is derivative from Touhou rather than directly interacting with and shaping it.

>>36175118
You can't really "kill" Touhou, not with those names at least, none of the franchises mentioned are similar to Touhou in any shape or form other than the fact that they have a lot of popularity and that they have cute girls in them.
Touhou is such a bizarre madman's pipedream of a franchise with so many curious little things and ticks so many niches for artists/writers that it's hard to compete against it's legacy and it's contribution if all you have to offer is just cute girls doing cute things and wearing skirts.
I don't want to sound like a pretentious shithead snob but Touhou simply has more "depth" as a result of being a single person's life-long passion project.

>>36175118
Gacha is making Touhou bounce back from the recline. Nobody talks or plays Unconnected Marketeers anymore, but the biggest most active Touhou discussions both on 4chan, 2chan and d*scord are all about Lost Word. I guess this is what happened with Fate too.

>>36175470
I get you fully but I just remember when it was THE titan of doujin works. It still probably is overall but I remember the years of Comiket where it felt like it might just become another Touhou convention. It's definitely slipped from that point.

>>36175249
Why can't it be literally anything other than bad apple. I don't even care if it was U.N. Owen Was Her? instead

>>36175586
It's hilarious because even then the chances of them adding PC-98 characters round up to zero.

>>36175151
yes but it's a mostly twitter-contained cancer, though certainly not helping. I don't think it's as big a deal as lost word and whatever other gachas that will come next. eventually there will be a touhou anime, which is both a good(beautiful) and bad thing(popularising). reimu in smash will always stay a shitty retarded meme though, and if it so happens otherwise I'll smash my fucking face in.
basically, ZUN's finally said fuck it and is out to claim the wallets and souls of as many humans as possible, for the glory of Touhou.

If ZUN says it's okay then it's okay

>>36175132
This already happened though since the beginning

>>36175118
Danmaku kagura and Lost word aren't "touhou"

Touhou is doing just fine, though. Its good reception is still on the up and up, official materials are easier to obtain legally than ever before, and there's a plethora of extra content even being officially translated.

>>36175132
You poor newfaggot, that happened ages ago

>>36175947
>>36175990
a tsunami is nothing compared to a world flood

>>36175212
>>36175249
ZUN always allowed anime, just not with the official touhou brand so as not to confuse perception.

ZUN has always been very lax with the IP and letting people use it, big or small. The gacha games are not official, not a single one of them. ZUN might profit off of them? I'm not even sure that that's true. Anyway it continues to be as it always was, "ZUN does whatever he wants with his IP".

>>36175470
it also literally is depthful, ZUN is a madman who puts absurd amount of thoughts into his creations and has been since at least PCB

>>36175505
Still less active than FGO.

>>36176008
of course he can do what he wants with his ip, nobody was saying otherwise. i had assumed if something makes a product based off of touhou outside of doujin, figurines and the like, that they'd be giving money to zun as well. and since gachas charge money it's not farfetched to think he profits off of it.
and yes, he does allow anime but he lost his shit when they got big name seiyuus, but somehow allowing a big name company like dena to promote and make sonmething else with just as professional voice acting is ok? idk just feels hypocritical even if at the end of the day its his franchise.

>>36175505
That's a dumb way of looking at it.

This is how it has long/always been with the game releases. There isn't that much to discuss, so why would you expect continuous discussion? It maintains presence as always through fanworks until the next official work. The inciting work itself brings new story, new characters, and new music. As always, this produces a ton of fan content that is still regularly being produced to an excessive degree. Personally, I follow a ton of touhou fanartists for instance, but almost none of them are drawing stuff directly related to either gacha, they're just making more UM stuff.

>>36176008
ZUN lets other people use his IP because he wants his series to become more popular. That's why he let's people make Gacha games of his work. ZUN even said in an interview that he would like it if one of his characters got added into Ultimate Smash. ZUN wants his series to be mainstream. ZUN wants more people to learn about and play his games. ZUN's lax policy on his IP is what made Touhou popular in the first place along with internet piracy. People make fan content, games, artwork of his work which in turns draws more people to the game which in turn makes him more money. It's understandable.

>>36175715
It's incredible how you said so much and understand almost nothing.
ZUN's got next to nothing to do with the gacha games, he instead focuses on his own projects and as always encourages people to make their own stuff (usually suggesting they use their passion to make something new). Fumo cancer has spread easily out of twitter and has been steadily becoming a yukkuri tier disaster of fanon tertiary garbage for years. Danmaku Kagura actually gives a shocking amount of adherence to canon portrayal, warts and all, and even literally pokes fun at fanon such as "lmao cute doggy aunn" in its story. Lost Word is definitely not as good, but I've definitely seen worse interpretations and at least for the most part it's fine if not good. And Reimu in Smash? Even ZUN would like that, and what's the worst that could happen? New fans who don't care? We already have cookie. New fans who are "bad"? Where the fuck have you BEEN? For almost 20 fucking YEARS we've had terrible fans in touhou, and what would Smash do? The devs actually revere and pay especial care to the works they bring in, so contrary to most shit that gets popular with touhou it would actually give people more reason to support the source material

Sasuga doomposter, basically

a few people saying ZUN's always been like this, but didn't he only approve big company gachashit just a few years ago?

>>36176000
You're extremely ignorant. The deluge occurred in 2006.

>>36176030
rather it's been like a decade plus since such things or years at least and sentiments change

ZUN also used to be strictly against digital distribution out of principal. Change is not a bad thing

>>36176093
well he allowed console and doujin games to console ports before the gacha so that's probably what they are referring to. but those situations felt pretty different.
>>36176103
i'm not complaining about changes just commenting on what i have observed.

>>36176093
gacha games have only even been noticeably popular for a few years, and it's not like we know whether or not ZUN has been rejecting gacha proposals until Cannonball and Lost Word

>>36176093
gachashit isn't as popular 10 years ago, he's pretty cool with console ports like >>36176111 said.

>>36176091
>yukkuri tier disaster
So eventually the equivalent of yukkuri abyuse will drive fumo to irrelevance?

>>36176091
>It's incredible how you said so much and understand almost nothing.
same to you. who cares if ZUN has personal involvement in gachashit or not? fumo cancer has become exasperated in recent times(supposedly, apparently its quite hard to get your hands on them now), however cancerous it may have been before. kagura and lost word can be as faithful or unfaithful as they like, doesn't mean shit. ZUN would like reimu in smash? ZUN's a mariofag, of course he would like that. for 20 years we've had terrible fans? I suppose inviting as many as possible is a good idea then.
>sasuga doomposter
indeed, doom is coming, stay in denial if you like
>>36176097
what a mild deluge, *yawn*

>>36176191
>who cares if ZUN has personal involvement in gachashit or not?
you evidently because you fucking brought it up as the reason that it was happening at all, his personal investment

And no dumbass, the point is not even that bad fans is inevitable, bad fans is reality, you're just too far up your ass to notice apparently. Very silly.

>>36176159
Maybe, or we'll get fumo youtubers who use fumos as avatars. We've already gotten fumo abuse

>you evidently
nah, ZUN saying "ok" is about as much personal involvement as ZUN "ok"ing doujin fanworks
>the point
your point is irrelevant. no duh bad 2hu fans are a reality, but if you think shit sucks now, you ain't seen nothing yet

>>36176268
No, anon, YOU haven't, and it's obvious. You probably don't even know about how people believe Touhou is queer friendly or the existence of ratposting which is itself a tertiary derivative of a tertiary derivative. I genuinely suspect you don't even know what iosys is

>>36176268
>nah, ZUN saying "ok" is about as much personal involvement as ZUN "ok"ing doujin fanworks
>>36175715
>basically, ZUN's finally said fuck it and is out to claim the wallets and souls of as many humans as possible, for the glory of Touhou.

>>36176313
>people believe Touhou is queer friendly
Not him but damn anon, I came to this thread to hear opinions and now I want nothing. Please don't mention anything more. Outsiders are weird fags really.

>>36176313
What's the difference between a secondary and a tertiary?

>>36176313
still nothing my boy
>>36176325
ZUN "ok"'d gachashit, which if f/go is any indicator, is a great invitation. got any other worthless nitpicks? doom's coming, boy, you can always agree to disagree, but you'll see, oh...you'll see.

>>36176091
"Doomposters" are afraid of an even greater influx of "tertiaries" that barely care about the original games joining every Touhou community they find.
How can they discuss the new games if everyone around them only talks about the fumos they bought or the hot new anime girl they pulled in a gacha?
But even if the fandom does become this cancerous cesspool of secondaries, will Zun even care? He will probably continue making his games regardless.
As long as the cancer doesn't affect the original work, it doesn't matter.

>>36176378
projection

>>36176342
it's too late, it's probably the same fuck that comes in every thread to argue in favor of this shit
i'm sick of any thread discussing touhou in depth going into queer shit
just abandon thread

>>36176342
Exactly. Like I said, the dumbass has no idea what he's talking about saying things will get worse. They have been AT worst

>>36176378
Man people never talk about the games let alone play them. Indeed, more means nothing. Rather as the series gets popular more people play the games so complaining about it is laughable

>>36176366
Secondaries consume music and fan manga/anime and fangames and do not engage with the source material.
Tertiaries only know the image of the thing and don't even know fanon portrayals. This would be cookie fans

>>36176366
Primary plays the games. Secondary interacts with fanworks of the games. Tertiary interacts with fanworks of the fanworks of the games.

>>36176431
you mean that guy who shits up every manga thread with "arguments"? well, he does seem a little bit like him.

What are jaypee's thoughts on 2hu Tik Tok???

https://www.tiktok.com/tag/touhou?lang=en

>>36176488
If you're going to reply to yourself, at least change how you type.

>>36175118
As long as they create OCs, I don't really care.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGOZWB0Mom0

>>36176510
cope

>>36176520
That's not hard to do, anon.

>>36176530
indeed, it's not at all hard for you to keep coping.

>>36176532
What are you even doing talking about "coping" outside of /v/? This really isn't worth engaging

>>36176532
>>36176530
Both of you need to get out.

You can clearly see that there have been over 18 million views for the "Touhou" tag on Tik Tok as seen in the link provided here >>36176496.

Anons, that's more than the entire population of the Netherlands. How can you even visualize that? Imagine travelling to the Netherlands and realizing that every single person there watched a video on Tik Tok about Touhou. That is a good representation of the sheer amount of popularity Touhou has on the internet, even amongst normalfags.

>This really isn't worth engaging
and yet, let's now assume you're the same fag that shits up manga threads, you're so addicted to losing pointless arguments that you just can't help yourself.

>>36176378
Of course, even smash fans would be secondaries rather than tertiaries, but the general intent is to pretend everything is the worst

i know there's only been a few people posting in this thread but this is a schizo moment...personally i just yearn for the older doujin-feeling days but i know we can't go back, it is what it is
>>36176496
tiktok users at least keep to themselves and instagram to post amvs/edits (what cool kids call amv edits) so it's not as bad as one would think
also, tiktok counts each time a video replays as a view even if it's the same user just for anyone else wondering

>>36176544
I am not that person, I assume you mean the "I hate clarste" guy but I really don't care, you'll think I am.

What are you even talking about, "shitting up the thread"? By telling you you're wrong about things? The gall. The audacity. How will the thread ever recover from me calling you a dumbass

>>36176542
Views don't equal users, right? It's still certainly a lot. Bad Apple mv had 40m on its own or something last time I checked

idk who the i hate clarste guy is and I'm not talking about him.
never said you were shitting up this thread, though even though I said we could agree to disagree a little back you just keep going, and I'm too sexy0-smart to back down.
>How will the thread ever recover from me calling you a dumbass
I kissed my biceps upon receiving your cute ad hominems, kiddo.

>>36176563
a lot of people who watched bad apple don't even know the first thing about touhou or what touhou is

>>36176704
and you should think those on tictoc of all things should be any different?

>>36176786
Look through the videos there and see for yourself. It's not just Bad Apple music video edits.

>>36176804
>look through tictoc
nah

>>36176159
>fumo abuse
Who is gonna tell him?

>>36175118
>Lost Word
>Desperation at Death's Door

Man I haven't heard of that game yet when is the trial?
Joking aside... I think we've peaked. Zun has literally given the writes to the stories of his characters to another company.
What can you say about that really? It's no longer an indie game.
I've been playing since 07 and the old games were fun, the titles ZUN releases are still REALLY FUN.
The music is still great. Even though we've gone mainstream it's still a very fan based following.

My only issue is the fumo explosion. Why are streamers sporting them now? Touhou is a meme to most people now.

>>36177422
rights*

>>36177422
Lost Word etc are nothing but monetized fan games, they aren't official works by any means

I don’t discuss Touhou in /jp/ because /jp/ is trash. And no, i’m not talking about the vniggers or the idolfags.

So fuck off and go back to your shithole OP.

>>36176542
>You can clearly see that there have been over 18 million views for the "Touhou" tag on Tik Tok as seen in the link provided here >>36176496.
>
>Anons, that's more than the entire population of the Netherlands. How can you even visualize that?
18 million views is NOTHING by TikTok standards where the average viral video from "influencers" racks up 40 million views or more.

>>36175728
No one cares what he thinks anymore. He should retire or die, by force if necessary.

Sr. Pelo should do these videos for PCB and IN as well

https://youtu.be/3sOAkdu3tRo

>>36175118
My take is its becoming a bit newfaggy, but its a blessing and a curse. zun gets his bux and we get more 2hus, but theres new communities eg twitter sprouting up being cringe/gay/faggy etc

>>36183439
>Sr Pelo's Sakuya

>>36176030
>lost his shit when they got big name seiyu
Did he really, even Touhouvania 2 did and nobody cared
I think it was more people were convinced it was a legit anime project rather than fan made that twisted his nerve

>>36177422
Touhou's always been a meme to outsiders. Even back in the early days.

>>36176542
That's fucking nothing, One touhou upskirt youtube channel alone has almost twice more views.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJU73T9dfdgOvnzAtFENHLA

>>36180587
you sound like a massive faggot, kill yourself.

>>36185366
>outsider
you were once and still are an outsider by this logic

>>36180587
Imagine killing ZUN because he hurt your feelings boo hoo

Is it true that ZUN did copyright the name "東方project" but never bother to do it with the name "Touhou Project"?
Someone else did it before him.

>>36186952
you trademark brand names, not copyright them

>>36186127
Implying things like Bad Apple and UN Owen weren't highly memed on back in the day by normies as an example

>>36187033
bad apple was at least surface level weebs hyping it up and watching it asking "what anime this", un owen has so many meme remixes and videos its hard to tell which ones were favored by normalfags and which ones were just considered another funny anime video by babbys first otaku

>>36176822
https://youtu.be/d1GKLAYXW6Y

>>36187065
>muh normies
Everyone has fake memories trying to force their narrative for what the glow nigger bogeyman was.
The reality is touhou was gay and irrelevant then and even more now. Normies gave one look at it and knew it was gay.

Imagine still liking poohou in 2021

>>36187134
can you read? did you graduate high school?

>>36187196
>shit that is the gayest thing I've ever seen I'm normie and I'm never looking at this basicbitch faggotry ever again
My fake memories to contribute to the thread

>>36187243
yo who you quoting

>>36186117
Yet you responded anyway.
>>36186232
Yes. Honor killings is what keeps hairless apes civilized.

does reimu ever get any donations?

>>36187263
>no one cares about touhou in 2021 faggot
I'm quoting your mom when I fuck her.

I don't know if its from my biased perspective but I feel the whole " Take it easy " spirit has taken quite a hit, less so in the Art but in discussion. Either it feels disingeneous or it's not there at all. Perhaps it's just me yelling at clouds or being delusional over nothing.
I wouldn't say it's dead, far from it, but sometimes I feel alone in appreciating the whole of Touhou & how at ease it can put me. Reducing it to only that would be, well, reductive, but it's still important to me, as are the thrills I get from figuring out spells in the shmup, or ducking it out in the fightans, or generally appreciating fan works, discovering more through the books, perhaps adventuring on my own by writing shit.
I'm sure it's a more common sentiment than i'm making it out to be, but people rarely vocalize their appreciation for something, only the controversies, the rivalries, the opponents. It's not that these complaints are illegitimate, quite the contrary, as it can show care for Touhou in itself and the aforementioned difficulties i've mentioned aren't due to thin air, but still.

>>36175118
Still reclining, but Raymoo gets startled and wakes up sometimes when a new game comes out. Then the falls asleep again.

Why are you whiny fags so upset about gacha and rhytm gacha? ZUN is getting literal free beer money from secondary consoomers. I think it's great. This shit isn't even remotely official anyway.

>>36188776
Who you quoting

>>36189311
They don't know how to take it easy.

>>36175118
JP fandom is still reclining. Western fandom on the other hand is heavily increasing. US reached search query high a few months ago.

Good thread

>>36212250
That's odd.
We could be living in a world where Western Content is going to be pulling in Japanese Fans in the future.

>Western Content
marisarainbowpuke.png

>>36175249
I learned of touhou at the same time thanks to iamp. Had the impression all the porn was of dick girls. I don't get that sense anymore. Did it change or did I have the wrong impression?

>>36222174
As if western fans are going to be making worthwhile content.

>>36232052
nooo you can't criticize western content unless you make the best content ever yourself you aren't worthy of doing that

>>36230583
>all the porn was of dick girls.
I wish.

>>36230583
Isn't not just Touhou. Futa just isn't as popular anymore.

>>36230583
It's not just Touhou. Futa just isn't as popular anymore.

>>36232367
The crux of the argument is that you are complaining about content being made while contributing absolutely nothing of value yourself.
Nobody is going to make something you want to see unless you do it yourself.
You are not a majority.

>>36245325
this is why i read japanese (and chinese and korean, if theyre scanned) doujins instead of playing whatever western games
i see the content i wish to see from people who write it the way i prefer
stay mad

>>36175132
>on its way to becoming completely, utterly flooded by normalfags, mark my words
touhou has been normalfag central since MOF

why do you think /jp/ even exists in the first place

>>36245361
You're the one complaining.
Stop kidding yourself.

>>36245402
retard comes into every meta thread to start this arguement and it goes in fucking circles because its a retarded point to make

>>36245431
You find it retarded because it's true.
You are the remnants of a bygone era. New people are not going to make content you find enjoyable. If you want to see more of it, make it yourself.

>>36245483
i don't understand why you think people aren't allowed to criticize things whether they make content for their own enjoyment or not
if i watch a movie and say its shit because xyz, does that mean my opinion is invalid unless i get my own film crew? a book is bad, write your own? is this really the hill you're gonna die on?

>>36245520
I never once said you aren't allowed to criticize it. I made it clear that nobody but yourself will make something enjoyable for people of similar tastes as yourself.
As more people get introduced to Touhou, you will find less and less people making the kind of content you liked years prior. Instead of complaining about the former, just make what you want to see instead of sitting there, doing nothing more than whining about new people making things that will be enjoyed by people new to the medium.
Your whining will not magically make them start making the same stuff you saw back in '09.

>>36245566
i'm not even blinded by nostalgia, it's not a case of old good new bad
i just don't like majority of the english content being about things that don't interest me
even if it's older, and it has similar content as to what's popular on the english side right now and written in whatever other language, i would not enjoy it. that's just how it is
and i think i am allowed to bitch about that fact as is anyone else, i don't have to be picasso to say i dislike certain forms and tyes of artwork

>>36245615
>i just don't like majority of the english content being about things that don't interest me
That's everywhere. Some people who find themselves in this predicament go as far as to make their own content in hopes that someone will enjoy it. It might not be one to one, but there's bound to be one thing they will enjoy enough to stick around in the long term.

>>36245615
>even if it's older, and it has similar content as to what's popular on the english side right now and written in whatever other language, i would not enjoy it. that's just how it is
>and i think i am allowed to bitch about that fact as is anyone else, i don't have to be picasso to say i dislike certain forms and tyes of artwork
That boils down to personal preference. Complaining about the content won't do much, if anything at all given the following.

>>36245615
>i just don't like majority of the english content being about things that don't interest me
That's everywhere. Some people who find themselves in this predicament go as far as to make their own content in hopes that someone will enjoy it. It might not be one to one, but there's bound to be one thing they will enjoy enough to stick around in the long term.

>even if it's older, and it has similar content as to what's popular on the english side right now and written in whatever other language, i would not enjoy it. that's just how it is
>and i think i am allowed to bitch about that fact as is anyone else, i don't have to be picasso to say i dislike certain forms and tyes of artwork
That boils down to personal preference. Complaining about the content won't do much, if anything at all given the following.

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