/jp/ - Otaku Culture

モーニング娘。 気まぐれプリンセス ビデオクリップ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPljvpFUCZU

[PV] Morning Musume - Kimagure Princess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLY_ZZanH88

Morning Musume - Kimagure Princess 【HD PV】
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiQlzNwSdDU

Aishite Aishite Ato Ippun Full Version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZc8SuzOnDU

Kimagure Princess [w/ DVD (Type A), Limited Edition / Type A]: http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=EPCE-5667

Kimagure Princess [w/ DVD (Type B), Limited Edition / Type B]: http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=EPCE-5669

Kimagure Princess [Limited Edition / Type C]: http://www.yesasia.com/us/kimagure-princess-jacket-c-first-press-limited-edition-japan-version/10211
67516-0-0-0-en/info.html

Kimagure Princess [Regular Edition]: http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=EPCE-5672

Single V "Kimagure Princess" DVD: http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=EPBE-5357

One week to go until single release!

one-man thread

Specialized Member T-shirts
http://www.up-fc.jp/helloproject/230news.php

Coverage of Eri's parts in DVD Mag:28
http://od-radio.blogspot.com/2009/10/morning-musume-dvd-magazine-vol28.html

Upcoming MM apperances in TV for KP promotion

10/29(木) フジテレビ系「軌跡体験アンビリバボー」（道重さゆみ） 19：57～20：54
10/29(木) テレビ東京「美女放談」（新垣里沙） 25：00～25：30
11/1(日) 日本テレビ系「カミングアウトバラエティ秘密のケンミンSHOW」【再放送】
（道重さゆみ） 12：35～13：30
11/1(日) STAR digio Ch400「モーニング娘。秋のマンスリー・スペシャル」（高橋愛・田中れいな
・リンリン） 23：00～24：00
11/1(日) NHK総合「Music Japan」 23：30～23：59
11/3(火) テレビ大阪「美女放談」【関西のみ】（新垣里沙） 25：00～25：30
10/29(木) 日本テレビ系「音の素」 26：33～27：03
10/30(金) よみうりテレビ「音の素」 24：30～24：59

>>3584162
Pussuma 09/10/20
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LUE90JE2

Thanks for the upload

>>3584871

I find seriously dumbfounding that people would pour their money into five different versions of the same single without letting out a single peep just because condensing the meager bonus content into a single release.
This reminds me of a similar story: when Blizzard decided that they would split Starcraft 3 for the sake of maximizing sales and profits at the expenses of their customers, fans declared they crossed the line and some preemptively announced they would boycott the game. Are you telling me Morning Musume fanboys would accept to be swindled by the music labels so wholeheartedly?

>>3584871

I find seriously dumbfounding that people would pour their money into five different versions of the same single without letting out a single peep just because condensing the meager bonus content into a single release was deemed less profitable.
Indeed, this reminds me of a similar story: when Blizzard decided that they would split Starcraft 3 for the sake of maximizing sales and profits at the expenses of their customers, fans declared they crossed the line and some preemptively announced they would boycott the game. Are you telling me Morning Musume fanboys would accept to be swindled by the music labels so wholeheartedly?

>>3584871

I find seriously dumbfounding that people would pour their money into five different versions of the same single without letting out a single peep just because condensing the meager bonus content into a single release was deemed less profitable.
Indeed, this reminds me of a similar story: when Blizzard decided that they would split Starcraft 3 into three complementary version for the sake of maximizing sales and profits at the expenses of their customers, fans declared they crossed the line and some preemptively announced they would boycott the game. Are you telling me Morning Musume fanboys would accept to be swindled by the music labels so wholeheartedly?

>>3585140
First study Japanese Record Industry
Then don't make inappropriate whining American Starcraft 3 analogy.

Special Delivery!

>>3585155

I don't see any other music label pulling off this kind of bullshit on their customers, sorry.
And with regards to the analogy, as inappropriate as it was, it was just exemplifying of the fact that no other fanbase would lap up such a glaring swindle so readily, to shut up any possible apologist asserting that their own behavior is only natural. Do you have better examples to offer?

>>3585140

Its Starcraft 2 dumbass, sigh...

>>3585410

So, how about those five versions of the same single...

>>3585460
Its capitalism, they are called choices,
there are only 4 different versions if you can even read properly. The DVD combines all of the different PV cuts and adds making of footage.
Again, if you had any frame of meaningful reference you'd realize that split single releases have been going on in Japan for a very long time, especially in the idol industry.
Now go away.

it's not a japanese thing, it happens in other countrys too.
new rammstein LP for example has 3 versions...

>>3585541
Right, right. I don't think a lot of young people 4chan users even think about physical releases anymore or the history of releases.
The whole concept of the record store itself in the West has degraded into one click shops and hordes of pirating software programs.
But that is a discussion for /mu/ if that actually even occurs there.

London Hearts:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UJKKWMIG

Can't wait until this is subbed.

>>3585578
Thanks anon, is this the appearance with Tsuji on it as well?

>>3585508

You do realize that only H!P does this shit inside the idol industry, right? And I know where you come from, but don't I'll believe for even one second that there exist people that disingenuous to be unable to figure out what the music label's intents behind this sudden explosion of alternate versions are.

Inflating sales, in other words.

>>3585601
Yep. Sayu seems like she is holding back a little though because Tsuji is there.

>>3585633
Reported for trolling

Arashi My Girl [w/ DVD, Limited Edition]
My Girl [Regular Edition]

Ashita no Kioku / Crazy Moon - Kimi wa Muteki - [w/ DVD, Limited Edition Type A]
Arashi
Crazy Moon - Kimi wa Muteki - / Ashita no Kioku [w/ DVD, Limited Edition Type B]
Ashita no Kioku / Crazy Moon - Kimi wa Muteki - [Regular Edition]

>>3584846
gtfo stop spammin ur shitty board on Дnoпtalk.com u retartet fagit's btw moot log's all ur ip's lulz ur not relly anonimus enjoy ur party v&'s

>>3585672
>Reported for trolling

Is this how you settle discussions around here? I don't think this is very polite of you.

>>3586188
>>implying there's actual discussion

http://www.imgxc.com/image/Fj1vZM

>>3586207
> img2009102014370444.jpg
> implying
...

>>3586223
Take that to /s/, you'd be surprised how old she actually she is

Tsunku is using Dohhhup to answer questions and talk about MM's Kimagure Princess, instead of the usual comments he does on his blog.
http://www.dohhhup.com/movie/2m7QEuXWySjxzSVvaakGILsjzZUQeiei/view.php

he talks about the theme of Kimagure Princess, deep reasoning for Koha's graduation, the year 2009 for MM etc, coupling collection album.

Tsunku promotes Kimagure Princess at the end.

Reposting for some delicious gossip. Heh heh.
Can't wait for the single!

>>3586300
>/s/ and troll combining forces
Sure is samefag here.

>>3586710
hoping for translation in detail later on

>>3586710

>deep reasoning
>anything involving Morning Musume

>>3586721
Where in the hell did I write 'deep reasoning' in there.
derp

>>3586710
Radio promotion is cool.

Preordering this single now.
So yesasia now counts toward Oricon right?

>>3586727

You should be checked for Alzheimer if you don't know.

Man the food portion was so good until this thing was brought out.

>>3586731
My bad. ;_;
Quit smirking.

>>3586746
I would give money to see that previous dolphin in this plate, heads up. lol.

>>3586729
Yes! http://www.yesasia.com/us/customer-support/0-0-0-hti.2341-en/question-answer.html

Question, which one comes with the dance shot?

Which probably actually tastes pretty good

Also
>>3586710
>Reposting for some delicious gossip. Heh heh.
Probably a paste job here but I'd like to hear at least his deep reasoning for graduating Koharu.

>>3586746
youtube link for this? kinda on the go right now.

>>3586754
Look at >>3586721's reaction pic.

>>3586756
see
>>3585056

>>3586760
Fuck that monstrous beings troll.
Fuck him to hell. I want Koharu to stay for one more year.
Please, tsunkun?

>>3586760
What would the deep reasoning behind that be?

>>3586761
... I know it's there on MEGAUPLOAD but I want to view it on the go.

>>3586766
Tsunkun's deep reasoning, not mine, lol.
Something about her glaringly huge mouth, I guess.

>>3586768
Is this available on Dohhhup? slim chance of yes?

>>3586768
The show aired yesterday and not every Japanese show is uploaded to youtube...on the go guy.

Well done Shige!

>>3586751
>I would give money to see that previous dolphin in this plate
Anything that eats their fish must be destroyed or eaten.

Pretty good watch, Shige wins and that SMAP guy was pretty funny too.

>>3585578
>>3585632
Is there talk of this being subbed at all?

10/22(木)
16:50～18:00 NHK総合(関西)「あほやねん！すきやねん！」須磨愛(公開生放送)
24:38～25:08 読売テレビ「浜ちゃんが！」新垣里沙・田中れいな▽加藤茶vsモー娘新垣田
中本音爆発私生活トークSP(最大30分繰り下げ)
25:00～25:30 テレビ東京「美女放談」亀井絵里(秘)夜遊び＆未来予想図

20:00～21:25 bayfm78「ON8」高橋愛・久住小春・リンリン▽モーニング娘・高橋愛！久住小
春！リンリン！気まぐれプリンセスは誰
21:00～(金)21:00 会員限定Webトーク「高橋愛の苺いちえ」

Several television and radio appearances tomorrow,
with everyone's favorite Eri on Bijo Houdan.

>>3587214

>Implying sane people watch Bijo Houdan.

>>3587214
>20:00～21:25 bayfm78「ON8」高橋愛・久住小春・リンリン▽モーニング娘・高橋愛！久住小
春！リンリン！気まぐれプリンセスは誰
"Takahashi Ai! Kusumi Koharu! LinLin! Who's the fickle princess?"

Really looking forward to that one purely based on the name haha

Thanks for the heads up, anon.

>>3587304
When it involves Eri and Musume's I enjoy then it must be done.
>>3587341
I wish I could listen but I won't be up that early, perhaps a recording will appear.

>>3587379
protip: there are always recordings of absolutely everything, whether it be a concert, radio appearance or tv appearance

>>3587476
I know but they don't always wind up here.

Goodnight /jp/
Sweet refreshing Ai-chan dreams

eri daily dose

Sup bitches x 2

>>3589690

the trolling will commence tenfold

Good morning /jp/

[konkon_1339.mp3] 091022 bayfm78「ON8」高橋愛・久住小春・リンリン
I wonder how this turned out, and a couple of the appearances already occurred.

Hi-Quality Scans

bayfm ON8 09/10/22 (Takahashi Ai, Kusumi Koharu, Lin Lin)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/04i5rr

Ichigo Ichie - 2009-10-22
http://www.sendspace.com/file/2fv3op

Takahashi Ai Gone Wild
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYM5NiP689A

>>3590158
If only. Too bad it will take another couple of years before it will become true.

>>3590150
Thanks for the links anon!

>よみうりテレビ　24：38～25：08（最大30分繰り下げあり）
Did anyone catch this appearance?

Awesome Gaki-san!!!

;__;

Does anybody know how UFA usually advertises their singles outside of TV stuff? e.g. billboard posters, two page spreads on newspapers, flyers and dedicated sections in music stores, mobile signboards and so on and so forth.

>>3590319
Stop posting that shit, she's ugly as sin either ways.

>>3590395
>she's ugly as sin either ways.
You shut your whore mouth

>>3590395
>e.g. billboard posters, two page spreads on newspapers, flyers and dedicated sections in music stores, mobile signboards and so on and so forth.
All of the above

H&A's new CM

>>3590417
Then how come they don't sell well even with all of their efforts directed at promotions? I believed that the stagnation in sales was due to the agency giving little importance to it because of the misassumption that people will flock to them because of the brand name just like 7 or 8 years ago, but evidently the problem is more deep-seated.

>>3590445
hurr durr I need hive mentality to feel secure about music

fuwa fuwa

>>3590469

inb4 foot fetish

lol, only in japan does the mass public perception seemingly come first before the actual quality of music. Herd mentality
I ask anyone, when is your lifetime did you feel better about the music you listen to because you favorite band sold an extra 30k-50k albums than a rival in the same genre.

trollface

>>3590474

I'm not really a fan of either of these people but see this.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1565158/20070719/west_kanye.jhtml

Kanye ended up selling more CDs and his popularity went up quite a bit afterwards for a little while.

Bijo Houdan 09/10/22 screencaps
http://www.sendspace.com/file/kztur8

>>3590490
Wait till you see how many records a dead Michael Jackson will sell next week.

>>3590455
Even though it's not necessarily true that the more copies the higher the quality (I personally consider Love Machine a pile of shit), considering that idol music is supposed to be geared towards SELLING as much as possible using mass appeal as a lever more so than anything else you still have to wonder why an group with a market as large as the whole Japanese territory and a marketing department sparing no expense can't pull six figures sales anymore for 6 long years.

>>3590474
Hint: idol groups are there to SELL. If they don't sell is because there's something wrong, either in the marketing or the group proper. Don't even start comparing niche professional singers to idols, who as part of their job are supposed to catch the attention of as many people as possible.

>>3590490
Oh I definitely think both sides of the idol industry want a fierce competition and there clearly is enough room in Japan for more than one idol group.

>>3590499
>marketing department sparing no expense can't pull six figures sales anymore
First see hivemind mentality, second, stop exaggerating your points, Tsunku if anything has scaled in almost all of the spending for the last couple years.
>supposed to be geared towards SELLING as much as possible using mass appeal
You are saying this, what I'm saying is it a robotic and narrowminded view to only follow a group based on artificial quotas established from changes in the music industry.
Do we want to see our idols sell more yes, do we want more people to get involved, yes. Do we need to set numbers in the sand to dictate our level of fanhood and likelihood of buying a single, no, this shit is a Japanese fallacy. But it makes sense for them, because the industry eats alive so many new artists that it almost makes sense for the population to instill the exact same industry quotas when approaching music.

>>3590478
Wrong thread, newfriend.

>>3590507
>If they don't sell is because there's something wrong, either in the marketing or the group proper
Hint: An idol group that lasts longer than a decade is an exception to the norm.

I'm not going to sit here and say Tsunku doesn't have his load of challenges to deal with now. I really wonder when Tsunku will start increasing his budgets for his groups again. He clearly is playing a frugal and strategic approach to the future of Musume.

>>3590455
>>3590459
>>3590464
muhaha that's awesome

>>3590568

Maybe they lasted that long thanks to the fact that for the good part of their lifespan they held a monopoly over the idol industry, which they partly concurred to destroy due to their desperate spasms for attention later on?
It's not that people in Maoist China used to wear those baggy gray uniforms for so many years because they were fashionable or comfortable, you know.

>>3590568

Maybe they lasted that long thanks to the fact that for the good part of their lifespan they held a monopoly over the idol industry, which they partly contributed to destroy due to their desperate spasms for attention later on?
It's not that people in Maoist China used to wear those baggy gray uniforms for so many years because they were fashionable or comfortable, you know.

>>3590606
>which they partly concurred to destroy due to their desperate spasms
Or perhaps people move on in the idol industry at a quicker half life than other types of music. And I love how some rival idol groups like to treat Musume by belittling them and re-writing their history.
Musume is an important idol institution and will live on because they have a progressive approach in both adding new members and approaching the music style itself and have an esteemed past filled with esteemed OG's.

>Maoist China
Lol, is the Musume reign over the idol industry that repressive...get out of here.

>>3590525
This is all well and good, but sadly it flagrantly disagrees with the actions of your fellows fans, what with all the underground campaign to inflate sales by buying a surplus of copies for no purposeful reason but to deceive others into assuming they're still relevant in the musical landscape rather than accepting their natural place.
And while I'd want to see all parts of the idol business being involved into actual competition, I'm afraid to say that the only one acting woefully avoidant is H!P.

>>3590644
>Lol, is the Musume reign over the idol industry that repressive...get out of here.

You're missing the point here. Read the analogy again and see where I actually laid stress on.

>>3590663
>what with all the underground campaign to inflate sales by buying a surplus of copies for no purposeful
Selling tactics are used all the time in the idol industry, I refuse to condemn grass root campaigns. If you have an issue with these type of things, ask management of AKB why fans need to buy singles to vote whether certain songs appear on album or certain members will appear at concerts, that is more disturbing.
>I'm afraid to say that the only one acting woefully avoidant is H!P
If anything, it is a respectful decline of butting heads against such an agressive idol atmosphere at the moment. Seeing the idol shows on t.v. following the same format as Hello Morning, seeing the same type of merchandise beginning to chug its way out through markets is only a credit to the H!P established structure.

more like johnny's established structure m i rite

>>3590682
>why fans need to buy singles to vote whether certain songs appear on album or certain members will appear at concerts

Or you can ask why UFA still feels the need to put lottery tickets to handshake events into their CDs rather than the tickets themselves, since their girls aren't highly requested anymore and shaking hands with them isn't something up there with kissing the Pope's hand. But you have a point in that nobody should pretend indignation for it. I, for one, don't.
Nevertheless, it's still ironic how the same people calling out others out on their more successful market strategies have been known for trying to cook the accounts for many years on end with little to no results. This is a case of pot calling the kettle black dictated by pure envy.
And as a side node, I'd also like to add that neither of the things you wrote are correct, so either do a more accurate enquiry on other idol groups or just hold off going into details in future.

>Seeing the idol shows on t.v. following the same format as Hello Morning

You Musumecentric worldview is as laughable as it is indicative of your ignorance. Neither Idoling!! Nikki, nor any of the four AKB programs are patterned on this and if you deigned to watch any you'll know it.
But taking for grandet they are, it is Onyanko Club, which was heavily TV-based, started it all. You know, even Tsunku admitted several times to having taken them as paragon for Morning Musume.

>>3590682
>why fans need to buy singles to vote whether certain songs appear on album or certain members will appear at concerts

Or you can ask why UFA still feels the need to put lottery tickets to handshake events into their CDs rather than the tickets themselves, since their girls aren't highly requested anymore and shaking hands with them isn't something up there with kissing the Pope's hand. But you have a point in that nobody should pretend indignation for it. I, for one, don't.
Nevertheless, it's still ironic how the same people calling others out on their more successful market strategies have been known for trying to cook the accounts for many years on end with little to no results. This is a case of pot calling the kettle black dictated by pure envy.
And as a side node, I'd also like to add that neither of the things you wrote are correct, so either do a more accurate enquiry on other idol groups or just hold off going into details in future.

>Seeing the idol shows on t.v. following the same format as Hello Morning

You Musumecentric worldview is as laughable as it is indicative of your ignorance. Neither Idoling!! Nikki, nor any of the four AKB programs are patterned on this and if you deigned to watch any you'll know it.
But even assuming they are, it is Onyanko Club, which was heavily TV-based, who started it all so the question is moot. You know, even Tsunku admitted several times to having taken them as paragon for Morning Musume.

>>3590804
>calling out others out on their more successful market strategies
>market strategies
AKB has always been associated with gimics though, and don't forget as of 7/29 before the handshake rules changed, AKb had another of the split releases planned. Maybe they have a better strategy but they are still gimics regardless.

>I'd also like to add that neither of the things you wrote are correct
Cool denial.

>case of pot calling the kettle black dictated by pure envy.
Cool troll set up, spending years trolling on Musume destroying their image to leapfrog off their back to declare some sort of new original idol terrain was created when the same type of handshake events are promoted with overpriced DVD's being sold to the new lemmings. And shoveling gravure promo books into the public at basement prices. We will not be fooled.

>>3590817
>calling out others out on their more successful market strategies
>market strategies
AKB has always been associated with gimics though, and don't forget as of 7/29 before the handshake rules changed, AKb had another of the split releases planned. Maybe they have a better strategy but they are still gimics regardless.

>I'd also like to add that neither of the things you wrote are correct
Cool denial.

>case of pot calling the kettle black dictated by pure envy.
Cool troll set up, spending years trolling on Musume destroying their image to leapfrog off their back to declare some sort of new original idol terrain was created when the same type of handshake events are promoted with overpriced DVD's being sold to the new lemmings. And shoveling gravure promo books into the public at basement prices. We will not be fooled.

>Musumecentric worldview is as laughable as it is indicative
Your worldview is the worst kind of hypocrisy.

>>3590873
So, who's suddenly the one bellyaching about other's way of conducting business now? Hypocrisy and anger abound.

>Cool denial.
Please keep your /b/ outbursts at a minimum, I don't want to lead this discussion to turn into another exchange of invectives like you folks are often prone to. My point was that the votings had other purposes, and I assumed out of goodness of heart that your erroneus claims were just borne of your ignorance.

>spending years trolling on Musume destroying their image
This is all of UFA's own making, their failure to avoid multiple scandals each year and their unpopular choices which alienated a growing number of uninterested audience.
As a business where image is of the essence, the combination of scandal outbreaks and lack of outlets where to show the girls' true colors did a number on the group more so than a bunch of 2ch nerds talking in their secluded board would.

>>3590873
So, who's suddenly the one bellyaching about other's way of conducting business now? Hypocrisy and anger abound. Maybe you should have taken steps against the competitors when it you were still in time, bitching afterwards will just show everyone how much a hateful fanbase you are.

>Cool denial.
Please keep your /b/ outbursts at a minimum, I don't want to turn this discussion into another exchange of invectives like you folks are often prone to. My point was that the votings had other purposes, and I assumed out of goodness of heart that your erroneus claims were just borne of your ignorance.

>spending years trolling on Musume destroying their image
This is all of UFA's own making, their failure to avoid multiple scandals each year and their unpopular choices which alienated a growing number of uninterested audience.
As a business where image is of the essence, the combination of scandal outbreaks and lack of outlets where to show the girls' true colors did a number on the group more so than a bunch of 2ch nerds talking in their secluded board would.

>>3590873
>7/29 before the handshake rules changed

I think River's sales have just sent you on the edge. How about that, were you really thinking that they would decrease all of a sudden? It's not that handhsake events are the only place where their fans can meet their idols, so the change did basically nothing.

Besides, haven't we met somewhere else before? The way you are clinging so hard to your fallacies and making a huge deal out of CD bonuses (nevermind they have been here since the group's inception, so you're not only ignorant but also overreacting) and photobooks prices (which depends exclusively on the publisher) is no stranger no me, neither is your way of expressing yourself in extremes.

Get the fuck back to morningcoffee, I have no more time to spend with you, nitwit.

>>3590949
>show everyone how much a hateful fanbase you are.
We aren't hateful, but being trolled for years and then expecting Musume fans to be cordial to Akb fans after all the tricks won't take so easily.

>My point was that the votings had other purposes
The point is, the management is using mutli purchasing to determine the "fan control" of management. They are putting a price on the internally created group structures and self created lack of member coverage. Now they are doing it with the songs themselves.
Sure its nice to have a voice in your idol group but putting a price on the operation of the group is not right.


>This is all of UFA's own making
While they are certainly responsible for catering to a heavy wota population, they are not responsible for the constant and easily convenient attacks that rival idol groups utilize to bolster themselves and their own self interest.

>the combination of scandal outbreaks and lack of outlets where to show the girls' true colors
As if you really believe that it was just a few scandals that resulted in punishment that lead to some graduations but that was years ago. The rival groups capitalized on the anger of some of the fans and turned them against their own group and they spent years kicking and stereotyping the Nation's idol group in an Otaku nerd fanbase. I'm not a retard, I can tell that there are certain idol fans that are way beyond reality but to assume the competition didn't have a hand in kicking around their name for their own self gain is retarded.
Get to the top on your own merits, not on lam-preying and bully tactics.

And if you ever read the Akb minions and their posts it is always complaining about Musume's tactics in selling singles, are they so near sided that they're entire idol groups existence was structured upon sell tactics and trolling? Tell those new fans to do some history reading.

>>3591030
>think River's sales have just sent you on the edge
Go back to your forums faggot, you are the ones waiving your dicks around as if you just reinvented the idol industry.
>were you really thinking that they would decrease all of a sudden?
They decreased when the didn't have a gimic attached the single but you can thank their gravure shoveling tactics to be really rubbing off. And I'm sure their overpriced military PV has a pretty good hand in it as well.

I have no problem with Idol selling strategies like handshake events to meet with the idols but to come here and act like your shit doesn't stink is just downright arrogant.
I really hope the newfans catch a whiff of the stink of your fan leadership because its up to the max.

I don't know too much about how AKB48 works but I don't think their gimmicks are necessarily a bad thing. They certainly use their profits to build upon themselves. And it's working since it seems like they're getting more "popular". The whether the ratio is amongst themselves or in attracting a new audience is for you wotas to argue about.

The one thing that pisses me off about Upfront is that they hoard all the money they get and put out just enough effort to save on expenses. I remember reading that they make more profit than Avex, though I'd assume Avex cashflows are several times higher. It's like UF is milking their idols incase of their demise. "Make sure we get enough money so we can keep them alive for another 2 years". And I believe this results in talent such as Maki and Aya basically giving up. I'll even include Koharu in this category since she believes she'll have a better future outside of the group.

>>3591045
Oh, don't feed me the cordiality bullshit because I won't eat it.
Last year you scoffed at it because it didn't sell as good as Morning Musume, now that they do and you're just stomping your feet out of anger.
And nothing will ever bring you to give other groups a chance. Why? Because of your retarded sense of loyalty of course. I am a Morning Musume fan, so I can't say anything good about rival groups out of the principle that they I am an MM fan, so I HAVE to hate the rest, I CAN'T be fans of both, I refuse to even hear a single song or watch a program, that's heresy and I'd go to Hell for this.
Isn't it ironic how the only situations where this with-them-or-against-them mentality is tolerated if not encouraged are when the subject matter is something so extremely shallow, childish and unsophisticated to not warrant walls of text at all (i.e. console wars, idols, religious extremism)?

>the management is using mutli purchasing

Stopped reading here.
So apparently Morning Musume releasing five versions with differing content is fair game, but them adding a handshake ticket (rather than a lottery ticket for a ticket to the handshake event) or a form to send in is wrong.
If anything as an outsider I can see both groups are doing it. However, one is beating the other at its own game, and since the one winning isn't your fave it's agreeable to frown upon it.
So not only are you astoundingly hypocrital, but you also seem to hate competition.

>>3591045
>The rival groups capitalized on the anger

Anecdotal experience = Facts

No, sir. You are not a retard, but you come very close to being one.

>>3591114
>Upfront is that they hoard all the money they get and put out just enough effort to save on expenses.
No disagreements here, I wonder what he is saving the money for, to launch a major offensive perhaps? I don't think Tsunku would go out quietly lining his pockets. The whole company should be beyond rich from all the profits of the helloshop merchandise. I think he is saving for a rainy idol day.

>And I believe this results in talent such as Maki and Aya basically giving up.
Its more complicated with Maki, with the troubled family really hurting her and the scandal rumors.
Ayaya decided to change the type of music she wanted to release which her own choice, it didn't seem to go that well with her fanbase.

Besides it is always hard to figure out what the hell is Tsunku is thinking.

>>3591088
>Go back to your forums faggot

I can say the same about you. You are sounding more like morningcoffee material with every indignant posts. Now you are even complaining because they can afford doing better PVs than yours, how desperate can you get?

>I have no problem with Idol selling strategies

EPIC LULZ

>>3591088
>Go back to your forums faggot

I can say the same about you. You are starting to sound more and more like morningcoffee material with every indignant posts. Now you are even complaining that they can afford shooting better PVs than yours, how desperate can you get?
Wait a minute, let me send them a letter to beg them to cripple their marketing tactics so that they can be something more up Morning Musume's alley because someone's sense of pride was hurt.

>I have no problem with Idol selling strategies

EPIC LULZ

>>3591141
>or a form to send in is wrong.
I just said I don't think handshake events are wrong, what is wrong is the notion of fan control through multiple single purchases. To start a self generating population contest within your own group to benefit when it should be popular opinion.

>now that they do and you're just stomping your feet out of anger.
What is angry is faggots trying to rewrite history as if they got here in a respectable manner. After all, you are here trolling our Musume thread.

>I CAN'T be fans of both
I came to hold this to be the only way only after watching how these trolls spent years of hating on Musume members and trashing the fans.

>>3591205
No matter how much you want to take it out on my own personal defense of my fanhood and this thread you will never be able to clearly state that AKB has won a clean victory.

I've only looked over the posts briefly but there doesn't seem to be much talk about the actual music. You know, the shit they're selling (peddling? xD).
All gimmicks and sales tricks aside the japanese mainstream might, MIGHT just think that MM's latest offerings have been sub-par and that AKB48 have been delivering better records.

Also: Needs more Maki
Also: Why did I get the thought that idol releases on vinyl would be awesome? Gatefold LPs and 7" releases....sweet. Wotas coughing up hundreds of dollars for test pressings and what have you.

>>3591238
>You know, the shit they're selling (peddling? xD).
Because when it comes to AKB, it is NEVER just about the music.
Also
>Why did I get the thought that idol releases on vinyl would be awesome?
I don't think the kids will be rocking out the records anytime soon. But I like the sound of it.

>>3591232
Still haven't learned the word "ignore" have you, anon?

>>3591238
>peddling? xD
>xD
>Also: x2
Here, I'll show you to a site where your words would be read.
<-------------------------H!O

>>3591210
>what is wrong is the notion of fan control through multiple single purchases

Which has nothing to do with Morning Musume releasing five separate versions of the same single and that to have the full content you have to buy them all (and don't bring up the old ass DVD excuse, sales for it are always negligible)?
But honestly, who gives a fuck? Only you faggot seem to use double standards around here. Even the other have a more relaxed and down-to-eart opinion, you should take your cue from them and take it easy.

Anyhow, did you know that people owning a fan club account could vote in at least four different ways, three of which didn't even involve buying the single? Bet you left it out to make your point more tenable, you sly fox you.

>I came to hold this to be the only way

No, what you're doing is simply trying to fish for an excuse that would legitimate your years of otherwise unjustified visceral hatred for them. I can see through your bullshit. Notice how you in all of your philippics I have never once spotted the title of a song, the subject of a program or the name of a girl being mentioned, just superficial descriptions and sweeping generalization you have most likely memorized by rote over the months. I bet you can't name even one.

Your whole stance can be summarized in a single analogy: "I hate dogs because I kicked one and it bit me".

>>3591284
>five separate versions of the same single
AKB was founded on these tactics and as stated well before this shitfest it happens throughout the idol industry, including idoling.

>simply trying to fish for an excuse
Obviously you are wandering in on this argument, watching the Akb troll base hate on Musume members for years is hardly a flimsy excuse.

>I have never once spotted the title of a song
Tell me what helicopters and tanks has to do with river.

>>3591210
>what is wrong is the notion of fan control through multiple single purchases

Which has nothing to do with Morning Musume releasing five separate versions of the same single and that to have the full content you have to buy them all (and don't bring up the old ass DVD excuse, sales for it are always negligible)?
But honestly, who gives a fuck? Only you faggot seem to use double standards around here. Even the other have a more relaxed and down-to-eart opinion, you should take your cue from them and take it easy.

Anyhow, did you know that people owning a fan club account could vote in at least four different ways, three of which didn't even involve buying the single? Bet you left it out to make your point more tenable, you sly fox you.

>I came to hold this to be the only way

No, what you're doing is simply trying to fish for an excuse that would legitimate your years of otherwise unjustified visceral hatred for them. I can see through your bullshit. Notice how you in all of your philippics I have never once spotted the title of a song, the subject of a program or the name of a girl being mentioned, just superficial descriptions and sweeping generalizations you have most likely memorized by rote over the months. I bet you can't name even one of what I just listed.

All in all, your whole stance can be summarized in a single analogy: "I hate dogs because I kicked one and it bit me".

>what is wrong is the notion of fan control through multiple single purchases

Which has nothing to do with Morning Musume releasing five separate versions of the same single and that to have the full content you have to buy them all (and don't bring up the old ass DVD excuse, sales for it are always negligible)?
But honestly, who gives a fuck? Only you faggot seem to use double standards around here. Even the others have a more relaxed and down-to-eart view on things, you should just take your cue from them and take it easy.

Anyhow, did you know that people owning a fan club account could vote in at least four different ways, three of which didn't even involve buying the single? Bet you left it out to make your point more tenable, you sly fox you.

>I came to hold this to be the only way

No, what you're doing is simply trying to fish for an excuse that would legitimate your years of otherwise unjustified visceral hatred for them. I can see through your bullshit. Notice how you in all of your philippics I have never once spotted the title of a song, the subject of a program or the name of a girl being mentioned, just superficial descriptions and sweeping generalizations you have most likely memorized by rote over the months. I bet you can't name even one of what I just listed.

All in all, your whole stance can be summarized in a single analogy: "I hate dogs because I kicked one and it bit me".

>>3591311
>five separate versions of the same single
AKB was founded on these tactics and as stated well before this shitfest it happens throughout the idol industry, including idoling.

>simply trying to fish for an excuse
Obviously you are wandering in on this argument, watching the Akb troll base hate on Musume members for years is hardly a flimsy excuse.

>I have never once spotted the title of a song
Tell me what helicopters and tanks has to do with river.

>>3591302
>this shitfest it happens throughout the idol industry, including idoling
So why don't you take it out on Idoling? Oh wait, they are far from outselling anyone so there's nothing to feel angered about.

>for years
I think this is just your problem. Maybe it's your snappish attitude that made your faggot ass an easy target.

>Tell me what helicopters and tanks has to do with river.
Tell me what Greek goddesses on the Moon have to do with manpower, but before this then tell me why this matters and why this isn't a poorly conceived red herring.

>>3591324
>this shitfest it happens throughout the idol industry, including idoling
So why don't you take it out on Idoling? Oh wait, they are far from outselling anyone so there's nothing to feel angered about.

>for years
I think this is just your problem. Maybe it's your snappish attitude that made your faggot ass an easy target.

>Tell me what helicopters and tanks has to do with river.
Tell me what Greek goddesses on the Moon have to do with manpower, but before this tell me first why this matters and why this isn't a poorly conceived red herring.

>>3591352

By the way, I'd like to specify I have never bought a single idol merchandise in my life. The joke is on you and the thousands of dollars you pour into online stores with a 400% markup on a daily basis.

>>3591352
>So why don't you take it out on Idoling?
Because it wasn't an idoling troll wandering in complaining about multiple versions because they have no case in that argument.

>I think this is just your problem.
You're wrong, its as simple as that. The Akb trollbase lives all over the 2ch Musume fanbase. And then through the most extreme of trick tactics attempts to detach itself from his creator and tries to point its finger at its mother.
>Greek goddesses on the Moon have to do with manpower,
Metaphorical representation of idols.
>why this matters and why this isn't a poorly conceived red herring.
In one case there is poetic justice, in the case of flying real helicopters across the screen in a PV is a flaunting and arrogant ploy of drumming up certain nationalistic themes.

>>3591311
>philippics
wat

>>3591372
Jeez, I couldn't tell....

>>3591238
Idoling isn't just about music, you know. It's about their ability to entertain, hence the music cds and all that.

>>3591232

LOL, clean victory. From the guys who buy 30 copies each and shout if from the rooftops, of all people.
I'm not responsible for anyone else on the Internet, but don't believe even for a second that Morning Musume fanboys aren't as much guilty of the same practice, however big nad heinous you want to make it out to be. You're just pardoning them because you belong to the same fold and I can't give a shit about either fanbases.

Good night, skipping the wota wars here.

>>3591421
Sorry to butt in. But I think you're better off checking out recent musume stuff. They've changed a lot.

Post some Koharu to quell the anger here!
Koharu is always lol.

>>3591433
Indeed.

>>3591421
>From the guys who buy 30 copies
I'm not making the case Musume fans aren't multi buyers, I stating that Akb trolls want us to assume they got where they were through a clean fight.

>>3591372
>400% markup
Not familiar with biz terms, what does this mean?

>>3591386
>2ch

You seem to think that I give a flying fuck about what a bunch of nipponese shut-in do.
Maybe you should confront them directly rather than bringing your hung-ups here for everyone else to yawn at, including yours truly.

>In one [hubba hubba] nationalistic themes.

Thank you, boy. I laughed hard at you trying to reading too much into it. Hope you didn't type all of this with a straight face on.

>>3591423
Good night, bros. Sweet death to akb fans.

>>3591238
>gimmicks and sales tricks
Oh you. Are you a salesperson/marketing yourself?

>>3591428

*points to Nanchatte Renai's grassroots campaign, is 600lbs*

>>3591440

I bet that now you're going to tell me that AKBingo is watched by more people than Bijo Houdan or Yorosen are because those "trolls" set up multiple antennas on the balcony.
Don't let the River's helicopters knock off your tinfoil hat.

>>3591446
>rather than bringing your hung-ups here for everyone else to yawn at
It is because of that trollbase that this argument is brought here, it is a fundamental portion of their fanhood to lash out against its rivals.

>>3591428

*points at Nanchatte Renai's grassroots campaign, is 600lbs*

>>3591440

I bet that now you're going to tell me that AKBingo is watched by more people than Bijo Houdan or Yorosen are because those "trolls" set up multiple antennas on the balcony.
Don't let the River's helicopters knock off your tinfoil hat.

>>3591443
4 times the original sales price? Dunno.

>>3591465

Ahahahahah. I love how you're the same guy responding to me every time. Same old trite arguments, same misinformation, same paranoia.

I wish there was a blog about idol group rivaling news.
So that I don't have to read it here.

>>3591466
>Nanchatte Renai's grassroots campaign
The only grassroots campaign that I am inferring to is the one that was doing for the autographed copies. I'm not talking about the media campaign, learn what grassroots means.

>than Bijo Houdan or Yorosen
I'm sure its convenient for a new Akb fan to waltz into this idol situation without realizing anything that happens at the ground level.

>>3591485
I don't get why people think that trolls are always out to get them. They have other shit to troll too, not just you.

Rolls eyes.

>>3591485
And I don't have to even guess to know its the same trolls that aren't banned that come back here.
>same misinformation
And the same thing everyday on 2ch, every musume thread with some faggot chiming in about the sales figures and viewer ratings, every Musume member thread with same faggots hating on them and posting Akb pictures.
I'm sure things are much different on your forum.

>>3591474
>set up multiple antennas on balcony
Thanks, there goes my lol dosage of the day.
Fukken loled till my stomach hurts.

>>3591489

Wasn't the autographed shitbook the same as "Hay guys, let's outsell Ayumi Hamasaki"? Yeah, nothing to do with it.
At which point of the discussion will it dawn on you that I'm just making the point that you are both guilty of the same thing, and Mornign Musume fans aren't even smart enough to keep it secret?

>without realizing anything that happens at the ground level

I watch programs to have some fun, something which Bijo Houdan is woefully short on.
Do I really have to give a shit about the rest, Mr. Tinfoil Cone for a Hat?

Good morning, br-
*sees bickering and saliva spitting everywhere*

Fuck. Rewatching Yorosen again.

>>3591516
>tinfoil
That /x/ style insult is getting rather annoying...

>>3591516
>I'm just making the point that you are both guilty of the same thing
Exactly the point of my argument, that Akb troll flaunting the new sales acting like he didn't in a clean manner and reinvented the idol business.

>>3591516
>I'm just making the point that you are both guilty of the same thing
Close to the point of my argument, that the Akb trolls flaunting the new sales are acting like they did in a clean manner and didn't use lure tactics to do so.

>I watch programs to have some fun
Me too, except when I do that, trolls come here to tell me how vastly superior their shows are and what I'm watching is absolute shit.

>>3591500

>2ch

You're a little slow on the uptake, are you? Nobody here gives a shit about 2ch and the cargo cult therein, deal with it.

>>3591551

So why did you gloat about Nanchatte Renai selling 70,000 copies even though you inflated sales? Sounds like you're just hypocrite and biased, like the bitter Morning Musume fan you are.

>Copy/paste bullshit

>>3591551
>and what I'm watching is absolute shit

A show where a child is allowed to extoll Hitler as a great man is inherently shit.

>Bijo Houdan is woefully short on
Which happened to be very funny today with Eri.

>>3591560
Funny how Nanchatte Renai couldn't get some significant rise in sales of every new AKB single even with all the bullshit floating around it, though.
Given that devotion to the group of choice is something wired in the fanboy's nature, it speaks a lot about which one has a larger fanbase nowadays. And popularity polls seem to lend all the more credence to my belief.

Also, LOL @ the Morning Musume guys yammering for hours about everyone but themselves cheating without producing even one evidence proving or disproving either of them. A whole debate based on slanted assumptions, and nobody bothered to point that out, ladies and gentlemen.

>>3591560
Funny how Nanchatte Renai couldn't get some of the significant rise in sales that every new AKB single do even with all the bullshit floating around it, though.
Given that devotion to the group of choice is something wired in the very fanboy's nature, it speaks a lot about which one has a larger fanbase nowadays. And popularity polls seem to lend all the more credence to my belief.

Also, LOL @ the Morning Musume guys yammering for hours about everyone but themselves cheating without producing even one evidence proving or disproving either of them. A whole debate based on slanted assumptions, and nobody bothered to point that out, ladies and gentlemen.

>>3591560
Funny how Nanchatte Renai couldn't get some of the significant rise in sales that every new AKB single does even with all the bullshit floating around it, though.
Given that devotion to the group of choice is something wired in the very fanboy's nature, it still speaks a lot about which one has a larger fanbase nowadays. And popularity polls seem to lend all the more credence to my belief.

Also, LOL @ the Morning Musume guys yammering for hours about everyone but themselves tampering with sales numbers without producing even one evidence proving or disproving either of theories. A whole debate based on slanted assumptions, and nobody bothered to point that out, ladies and gentlemen.

>>3591688

It's just because they can't cope with the fact that they lost, so they quibble over everything if this means getting some feel-good feeling out of it.
Notice that if you look up to threads dating back to last year you'll see lots of them still going "HURF DURF I don't deign myself to listen to them because the sell poorly". Nah, these people will never change, but I can't say I'm not thankful they have the presence of mind of sealing themselves into their cloud cuckoo world.

>>3591688

It's just because they can't cope with the fact that they lost, so they quibble over everything if this means getting some feel-good feeling out of it.
Notice that if you look up to threads dating back to last year you'll see lots of them still going "HURF DURF I don't deign myself to listen to them because the sell poorly". Nah, these people will never change with their worthless sense of self-righteousness, even though it entails they will contraddict themselves over and over. But I can't say I'm not thankful they have the presence of mind of sealing themselves into their cloud cuckoo world.

>>3591386
>is a flaunting and arrogant ploy of drumming up certain nationalistic themes

I don't think you have seen the whole PV and it shows painfully, but hey, look at this shit...

"Go take two or three bullets in your chest, Morning Musume says so".
Oh, it didn't take you so long to sell out, Morning Busume.

>>3591688
>And popularity polls seem to lend all the more credence to my belief.
It is the only thing that does because you have no comprehension of any of the fundamental arguments. It is the hivemind view point. Look we sold 50k more than your group, you are all scumbags and your idols are whores sluts...fuck off

>>3591733
>It's just because they can't cope with the fact that they lost
Lost what, the recent singles are selling better now and we are comparing ourselves to ourselves. The only thing we lost in a hivemind constructed argument that dictates 3 singles that sold over 100k means complete victory.
>I don't deign myself to listen to them because the sell poorly
Cool fabricated discussion, the entire point of this argument is state that is isn't inflated sales that dictate our fanhood and only the AKB trolls can drum up the same talking points to try to rewrite the playing field.

>>3591765
Fair point to bring up, why not post the picture of Akb posing with the now failed and ejected Prime Minister Aso.
>I don't think you have seen the whole PV
Explain why the live and operating helicopters are in that PV then.

Besides you are stepping on the misguided believe that the argument is Akb has no right to do these things, but the fact that Akb didn't do anything unique or respectable to get where they are right now.

>>3591765
AHAHAHAHAHA, what a bunch of sellouts indeed.

I wonder if there was a rise of fat wota faggots enrolling in the Army after this. The boot camp must've looked like something taken straight out of the first part of Full Metal Jacket that year.

>>3591777
>>3591800

Go whine on 2ch, maybe they'll care.

>>3591825
Hardly, and perhaps you forget which thread you are posting in.
Its understandable because trolls are used to living all over us anyway.

Go post in the 100k-150k Japanese sales = God level idol thread

Hamachan ga! 09/10/22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaypQmPHOTE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk1DBAxY2IM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_tTWhId5PY

>>3591800

A Morning Musume fanboy showing bigoted rage against a competing group without any proof to back up his monstrous bullshit, how strange.
That's like asking a Muslim extremist what he thinks of the Pope expecting I'll take him seriously.
At least they are hard working girls, I have trouble finding anything noteworthy Eri Kamei or Aika Mitsui (look, I can name them, something you didn't) have been into.

>>3591860
Thanks anon!

>>3591850

>Go post in the 100k-150k Japanese sales = God level idol thread

Much better than 50k low tier washouts. To reference a post upthread, idols are there to SELL. If there's something wrong with it, it's either not too much promotion or the group being plain unappealing.

>>3591850

>Go post in the 100k-150k Japanese sales = God level idol thread

Much better than 50k low tier washouts. To reference a post upthread, idols are there to SELL. If there's something wrong with sales, it's either not too much promotion or the group being plain unappealing.

>>3591885
>proof
>At least they are hard working girls
Please scuttle off, you don't know what hard working idols look like.

Could anyone repost that stack of Morning Musume CD as tall as a 2 litres bottle?

>>3591899
See >>3590455
>>3590474
>>3590525

>>3591902

Not like Morning Musume that's for sure, as they're obviously riding on the coattails of their way more popular predecessors. One thing that saddens me about their current situation is that even though they had a head start in fame they still let every advantage they had slip through their fingers little by little. That's what I call gross incompetence.

>>3591908
>>3591919
>as they're obviously riding on the coattails of their way more popular predecessors
And we've come full circle, thanks for playing today

>>3591902
>failure.jpg

So meeting the Prime Minister and being popular = failure
But living in the shadows and getting all your programs discontinued because they can't rack up enough viewers = victory

Guess it's opposite day around here.

>>3591924

>Thinking Aika is "popular" by virtue of her "efforts", which I can't name because there are none.

>>3591932
That's a C-ute single....

また、気違いAKBヲタが荒らしているのか。
あいつら最低だな。

>>3591949

gb2/2ch/

>>3591777
>you are all scumbags and your idols are whores sluts

He who excuses himself accuses himself.

>>3591926
So meeting the Prime Minister = unoriginal, and an extremely unpopular and failing PM
>getting all your programs discontinued
Why would I call this a victory, I didn't think Yorosen was good and H@M was lazy writing. If anything they became complacent.
This isn't an "either this or that" argument, it runs much deeper.

The point is, don't rewrite what victory is. Nothing Akb has done hasn't come without the long term ground work of trolls and Akb sales gimmics.

>>3591980
>Prime Minister = unoriginal

Looks like somebody's butt is hurt because they couldn't get to meet a high ranking personality in place of them. Faggot.

>sales gimmics

Only you seem to care about this so much. Me, as a non-buyer, can't give a fuck.

>>3591860
ah that was fun

"It's not that we aren't impopular, we are just an insiders club reserved to a selected few"

"It's not that we aren't unpopular, we are just an insiders club reserved to a selected few"

"It's not that we are unpopular, we are just an insiders club reserved to a selected few"

So, at the end of day, what have we learned?
That Morning Musume fanboys can't own up to their own actions, and while they want to make us believe nobody inside their fold would ever buy multiple copies and that lottery tickets to handshake events and multiple version releases aren't gimmicks as well, they blame others of purportedly behaving the same way because they dared outsell their aidorus (But question is, who doesn't? I'll be damned if Johnny's can't trounce them while asleep).
Maybe they should've remained a theater-based idol band performing only within the confines of Tokyo to make the few zealots left in this thread feel better with themselves, but sorry business is business and fanservice only works if there are fans around.

>>3592020
Oh you. You're so silly. Do you think we bother to read your bullshit?

>>3592020
>So, at the end of day, what have we learned?
No you don't get to write up the end of day learning section.
What we've learned from today is that despite having the ability to go higher in the idol worlds AKB trolls must and will resort to the very same troll work to make themselves feel more significant. Because there is no other system of idol measurement when you have you been living off musume's fanbase.

The Akb fan is his essence is a troll that resorts to belittling comments, racism, and talking points to polish off the piece of replicated turd that is Akb.

>>3592020
>So, at the end of day, what have we learned?
>That people that care about sales, sales gimmicks, business, album and marketing cycles, popularity and amount of air time are massive faggots that are into music for all the wrong reasons.
agreed

>>3591980

Isn't it ironic how the only situations where this with-them-or-against-them, us-vs-them mentality is tolerated if not encouraged are when the subject matter is something so extremely shallow, childish and unsophisticated (i.e. console wars, idols, religious extremism)?

This reminds me of when Nintendo fanboys used to claim that the PS2 outsold the GameCube because it used to break every so often, forcing people a new one over time.
Same shit, different field.
Anecdotal evidence = Fact
Us VS Them
With us or against us
Demonization of the enemy

You name it.

>>3591980

Isn't it ironic how the only situations where this with-them-or-against-them, us-vs-them mentality is tolerated if not encouraged are when the subject matter is something so extremely shallow, childish and unsophisticated (i.e. console wars, idols, religious extremism)?

This reminds me of when Nintendo fanboys used to claim that the PS2 outsold the GameCube because it used to break every so often, forcing people to buy a new one over time.
Same shit, different field.
Anecdotal evidence = Fact
Us VS Them
With them or against them
Demonization of the enemy

You name it, it's all flavors of fallacy.

>>3592072
As stated before, digital media is the not same. When it comes to real people it is intolerable to buddy up with a fanbase that directly insults your waifu time and time again. So much to an extent that they wish to be out of work.
Do people get caught up in the cycle of idol groups of course, but with Musume we know our allegiance isn't founded upon such unsettling morals.

>>3592072
>extremely shallow, childish and unsophisticated
Oh yeah, wow that's so true! Like good or evil, life or death
shit like that. We must conform to both sides! Dumbass

>>3592041

You fanboys wouldn't be so fast at spouting off gross generalizations and jaundiced preconceptions if you spent the time you waste posting here getting some unbiased informations, or at least you would come across as less of a bunch of slaves to your narrow-minded, us-vs-them attitude.
In fact, it seems to me that you are working under the delusion that if you yell the biggest insult I'll go away, when your actions are only backfiring on you. See, that only forces me to linger around here for longer than I want to, trying to educate you, and I don't want to waste my time here.

>>3592072
You know what's more ironic? When idiots talk about how childish certain philosophies are, when they themselves, as well as their ideals are, in fact childish and downright stupid.

>>3592143
>trying to educate you, and I don't want to waste my time here.
Don't make me laugh. The point is that no matter what you say, nothing can reverse the manner in which Akb was established from a troll base. They can't simply walk away from the past and waltz down the road acting like the prince of Japan. They are covered in dirt.
I've learned all I need to know from you. It is because I'm not a slave that I refuse to accept your terms of victory, the fight will continue.

>>3592054

If you're talking about me, I'm more of a TV guy than a music guy. I haven't spent a dime on idol-related goods, nor will I ever but I don't dislike a good-looking PV and a themed program that can amuse me.
I know for a fact that Morning Musume has long been unable to provide me with a satisfactory fix of either within reasonable times, so I just gave up on them as a lost cause. Idol business is supposed to hinge on the image and personality of girls for people to grow attached to them, and Hello!Project is doing an awful, awful job at it.

I thought this was an image board???

>>3592180
Just like being attached to some girl in Japan that doesn't even know you exist, much less you buy her CDs? Nail, head, etc...

>>3592193
>the fight will continue

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm out of this mess once the thread reaches its natural conclusion. Continue believing there's a troll network working 24/7 behind your back all you want, this bullshit can fly only in a retarded environment like that of a BBS.

>>3592138
>(i.e. console wars, idols, religious extremism)

>>3592225
>some girl in Japan that doesn't even know you exist
She knew I existed when I shook her hand.
Go back to /v/ wandering troll. Your OCD outlook on life is well suited over there.

>>3592225
>some girl in Japan that doesn't even know you exist
She knew I existed when I shook her hand.
Go back to /v/ wandering troll. Your ADD outlook on life is well suited over there.

>>3592195
Neh, not really. What you're talking about is quality, which to me is the only thing that really matters.

Am I enjoying the stuff they're making and the girls that present it?
Yes
No

Very simple.
If "No" then just step away and go listen or watching something you do enjoy. That's why I never got my head around the troll-kids, they confuse me. Why spend this amount of time on something that you admittingly don't give a shit about and in some cases downright dispise? And by "this amount of time" I mean close to a year....goddamn.

So, why do you people believe I am an AKB troll when it was you who started throwing their name around?

>>3592305
I believe you're a huge faggot. Is that what you're looking for? Because I think it is, you attention seeking whore

>>3592207
that's correct

>>3591996
Good stuff, loved it.
Gaki-san giving it her all.

>>3592584
>>3592597

Is it bad that the first thing I thought when I saw these was "I want to lick her face."?

>>3592620
Yes, she was eating strawberries, you should of heard the sound she made, it was so cute and funny.

Oh wow just saw this, I hope there is a talking portion for this as well, hopefully a little longer too.

Hello! AKBfag.

>>3592834
>>3592851
do not want..return to trollcenter

>>3592834
>>3592851

I think you have missed the point of the discussion by a mile and you believe in earnest that I am not aware of this.
The question at hand was quite the opposite, how does this disprove that Hello!Project fanboys are in denial about their own buddies doing just the same? Maybe you should read the thread again.

>>3592966
>The question at hand was quite the opposite, that Hello!Project fanboys are in denial about their own buddies doing just the same
The question was not the same thing in reverse, I think not, you re-read the thread.

>>3592987

>Only AKB fanboys buy multiple copies, Hello!Project ones buy one each as the upstanding individuals they are. The international community will not tolerate this!
>I think both do, and to about the same degree. It's embedded into the fanboy behavior after all, so getting upset because the other does too is stupid as well as hypocrital, and proves you can't stand competition.
>No, it's untrue.
>Follows photos of stacks of H!P stuff bought en masse. Point proven.
>Platitudes about honor and shit, me not giving a fuck.

I think you are 12, enjoy getting wound up over things neither I nor you can have any impact on.

>>3593031
Um re-reading a thread to find the discussion shouldn't result in an even larger generated list of troll talking points. An especially trollworthy list of points mind you.

less trolling more Ai-chan

>>3593218
haaaaai!

>>3593261
Christ, what a faggot.

>>3593297
read >>3593218

>>3593357
I never learned to read... ;_;

>>3593400
Don't cry Ai-chan, don't you know you live in such exciting times!

I like where this thread is going.

Ai-chan time is it?

>>3593524
Indeed it is.

Goodnight /jp/
I want to take it easy, sleep tight

hmm I'm kinda glad I've been gone for the past few days after seeing what's gone on in this thread.....

Anybody here going to Koha's graduation concert?

Who's watching this, gotta admit it sounds interesting

CS Fuji TV TWO new program "Hanbun Esper (Half Esper)"

-Broadcast schedule

From January 2010~ Every Friday 11PM (Pilot episode airing date undecided)

-Cast
Mano Erina,
S/mileage (Ogawa Saki, Fukuda Kanon, Maeda Yuuka, Wada Ayaka)
Numerous young comedians, etc
Special Guest: Morning Musume (Takahashi Ai, Niigaki Risa, Kamei Eri, Michishige Sayumi, Tanaka Reina, Mitsui Aika, JunJun, LinLin)

[Program's homepage]
http://www.fujitv.co.jp/otn/b_hp/909200300.html

Plot:

In order to protect the country's citizens, by using supernatural powers, the secret government esper research organization known as "Kokueken" was created. Here, it is where children with esper potentials are gathered, and they are trained into full fledged espers. Espers trained here are then secretly send into society where they must use their powers to help people and the world. An apprentice esper of this organization, Mano Erina, alias "Hanbun Esper (Half Esper)", is a girl full of curiosity. Naturally, if one can not become a full fledged esper, it is impossible to be sent into society. With her strong will, "I want to leave here, and go see the world!", using her esper powers, she escaped Kokueken's facility and disappaeared!
That's right! "Hanbun Esper (Half Esper)" Mano Erina can not fully control her own powers. She is a half trained esper with incredible power potentials. Fearing what kind of power could be unleashed from Mano Erina's emotions, it is giving the organization's research chief a big headache. As they seek her whereabouts...

>>3594799
how i hope that BK and C-ute can make a drama together again

>>3594799
>manga shonen plot
Oh boy. How original.

>>3594803
supernatural things + H!P girls = PURE AWESOMENESS, i cant wait to see this

>>3594703
You buying the tickets for that potential partner?

>>3594805
What manga is this drama from?

>>3594799
Thanks for posting this.

Why are the musumes special guests on this drama supernatural? You would think that H!P doesn't have their dirty manager's hands on this. D:

>>3594813
I want to go but don't know if my funds can afford it.

>>3594814
>What manga is this drama from?
I think there is none

>>3594934
I hope so.... It reeks of shonen stuff.
Superpowers in teenage girl, lol.

Good night, akb bros.

>>3594947
Sounds pretty interesting though, I'm really looking forward to it. Hope they don't pull a Q.E.D....

>>3595039
>Starring Mano
Hmm, I think you got the wrong thread, Ai-fag, even if all of MM is going to be in the drama, they're just there as Special Guests.
Also, since it's Mano, MM, s/mileage, other names, it's most likely going to be a small budget show, with hilariously tacky j-dorama-level special effects.

Next thread
>>3595242
Looking forward

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