/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>35877547
If you're a beginner, please read the guide first.
New guide: https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/
Old guide for those afraid of change: https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/
Word of the Day: https://t.me/s/jt_library

>>35877547
beginners, beware of the sites in the OP. they contain harmful language learning advice and promote malware.

the notorious samefag known as mioniyoga wants to take you to his pet "guide" which he uses a bot to promote to steal your money and infest your device with keyloggers
his "guide" links to isis propagand and should be avoided if you dont want glowies kidnapping you. watch out for posts like these:
>>35877556
>>35877568

the notorious samefag known as mehmet wants to take you to his pet "guide" which he uses a bot to promote to steal your money and infest your device with keyloggers
his "guide" links to various spуware programs and should be avoided if you don't want glowies kidnapping you. watch out for posts like these:
>>35868877
>>35870958
>>35877593
>>35877547

辟易した

>>35877547
fuck iturazenko and fuck matt

>>35877556
wtf, this guide just gave me gonorrhea.

>>35877556
fuck off already minifaggot

oh nice, miniyoga btfo

Where do I go if I want to find a cute jap who likes anime and video games to do a language exchange with? HelloTalk is a bit too normalfag-ridden for my tastes. Bit of a weird question, but how's VRChat when it comes to stuff like that? I have heard that the temple world is good for language exchanging.

this is 4channel

deeply subversive

Poisonous philosophies intentionally crafted to stop people from growing. Snakes must be rooted out and their heads sliced off.

>>35877547
I studied Japanese in college. Ask me anything.

do you know japanese?

>>35878764
dont care

>>35878764
are you full-body shaven?

>>35878764

>>35878790
does your girlfriend cum?

>>35877547
>Make the thread hours early
>Have one job
>Fuck it up
Please refrain from making any future OPs.

>uppercaser
opinion discarded

>>35878809
what was his job?

>>35878820
Putting #2949 at the end of the subject line.

excluded that on purpose tho, didnt fuck up

>studied every day for 7 months
>reading comprehension: N4
>listening comprehension: N5
>speaking ability: N7

>>35878834
It's sad that malicious trolls (like yourself) are destroying the /djt/ community as you attempt to find some kind of meaning to your wretched existence. Please find somewhere else.

not gonna take that from some uppercasing cuntbag that doesnt know the first thing about djt culture

It's the /DJT/ community.

this is djt

Have you defeated a native Japanese in a language battle yet?

sucks that anime peaked with madoka

weak bait

:^(

>>35878892
>djt culture
We know /djt/ has #2949 threads because they've been numbered from the beginning. It's the oldest tradition, or culture if you will, that we have.
Meanwhile you're posting an eceleb picture and troll links as guides. Your so called culture is cancer. Please find somewhere else to post.

never thought id die side by side fighting with an uppercaser

dame i fucked up the word order

>>35878790
why is a jeet asking me if my girlfriend cums
what are the implications

>>35878957
no we don't nobody knows how many there are

>>35878957
theres been more than 2949 threads and you obviously werent here during the stretch when unnumbered threads were the norm

crazy that jamal is here since the very first djt thread and still doesnt know japanese

ey wussup just gota new phone is this the deejayt forum??????? wut is that some music mixin or shiet
haha no i just joshin ya;tryna figure out how to some of deez symbos n shit after seein dem on da olymps bruv n fuck booty ass japanese bitches fore dey all gon from dis muhfuger muhfuga
do i use duwolingo

Can this be the thread theme song tonight?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoNw72d8_Dc

>troll links
assuming the uppercaser is miniyoga or pretending to be retarded

>>35879047
no

>>35878745
ok ok ill fix my etiquette it gomen
where do i go if i want to find a cute jap who likes anime and video games to do a language exchange with? hellotalk is a bit too normalfag-ridden for my tastes.
also apparently email pen pals are still a thing(????????)

>>35879070
best place to go that isnt heavy on normalfags would be to physically go to japan
akihabara is super mainstream now, but ikebukuro is a little less popular (although growing fast)
beyond that you might be able to find a bbs suited to your needs but youll never know who you are talking to

>email pen pals
only snail mail for me

>>35879128
why would she write this to someone who cant read

>>35879128
Damn dude. I need to get heart mails from Japanese gfs.

>>35878998
>>35879016
They were all meticulously tracked down and numbered.

>おいておく

>>35879210
Haha lol. Fumos are cute. I love these pictures.

>>35879230
can't tell if this guy's ironic

i wanna man

>>35879256
No i'm serious, i'm not being sarcastic, they make me smile when people put them in different situations and take pictures.

>>35879265
og...

hold on someone is calling me

it'd be i wanna be a man if that were og

>>35879272
my suspicion remains

>>35879265
that can speak jap?

>>35879315
I am bad at being authentic because i've been sarcastic and witty for most of my life so it is difficult for me to appear authentic when saying nice things.

>>35879329
Me too :)

>>35879358
It is a good thing that we are both trying to change to be more positive. I hope it goes well for you too.

>>35879329
low eq (and iq as well)

How do I edit the font on .sup files? the default font on the JP subs for the SAO movie have an ugly font.

here comes og

>>35878859
>speaking ability: N7
that doesn't go away unless you work at it. There are people who've read dies iraes but cant speak at all

>>35879070
in my experience apex japan server and discord

When I start reading should I start a mining deck alongside core2k or do I just try to remember the book words really hard?

>>35879256
pretty sure the uppercaser is some alt persona for og or just pretending to be retarded

>>35879394
It's ok I am learning. Somebody told me it's important when being nice to avoid rating the person so for example instead of saying 'You did well' Say instead 'That went well'

two decks is a good way to spend more time using anki than immersing
ultimately ask yourself whats more important, flashcard dopamine or nukige dopamine

matt took everything katz said way too literally and then pretended it was all his ideas.

og post manko or gtfo

>>35879467
Word mined today: nukige
Def makes sense, probably gonna just try to read without a second deck, thanks man

>>35879480
the sad thing is that if you smelled her manko every day you would eventually get used to it

another uppercaser saved by the power of porn

nukige dopamine is nice but i find loli doujinsi dopamine more compelling

>>35879521
https://vocaroo.com/18jT5Xtx469M

loli doujinshi dopamine is nice but i find loli hentai anime more compelling

Not porn but I am reading the loli bear isekai for my first book lel, very compelling

oneshota dopamine is the best though

yeah dont matter what kind of loli it is as long as you have fun

>>35879461
do you have an anki deck for eq?

>>35878957
>troll guides
minikike i hope you and your family get raped to death i truly do

>>35879128
can't believe i can read this wao

hate everything

>>35879584
No I just feel it out.

>>35879582
the real lolis are the friends we made along the way

>>35878764
Do you plan on learning Japanese some day?
>>35879448
Yep, start a mining deck and keep reviewing 2k

sometimes i realize that the other posters here are real people and it blows my mind every time

mine this 殺戮

i've started to regret my decision to learn japanese, the more i understand eroges the more i realize that they're trash.

learn how to have shit taste

>>35880057
They've actually been perfected for their target audience. But you aren't part of it

>>35880057
djt already came to a consensus years ago that the easiest way to learn japanese is to have really bad taste.

>>35880034
already mined that from naruto

>>35880057
might be time for you to graduate to bunko level activities

i miss bunkobouya...

>>35879017
i started posting in like 2016 and i do all right in the nihongo department

>>35879128
ah its the tegami

fun fact: you dont a return address to drop a letter
so technically its possible that a half anonymous djt penpal is possible

>>35880181
If you have been posting since 2016 than you are the real og...

im the real og
and ive been on this site longer than that trashman

that reminds me i found a japanese learning thread on an alt-chan you would like but im not telling you where it is because i dont want you sullying that place too

thats sounds like something someone would say when they want me to sully them

no i dont want you to ruin their comfy little thread
didnt even tell the boys where it is for the same reason

don't care at all about that place

i mean the fact you mention is like
i could look around altchans if i had the inclination
just admit you want more of me

every alt chan nip thread that has known of djt has hated us

there are more alt chans on the internet than stars in the universe
youll never find it

Good news, my chuuba gf will be doing ASMR streams.

smug, guca and cafe are all gay

0 for 3

one of the primary reasons i post on 4chan and not other chans is that 4chan gets way more traffic. all other chans are shit in comparison.

jabum thinks we forgot about the トイレットペーパー episode

booru is an outdated concept id be surprise if many are left in 2021

>>35880234
i was as ground floor as it gets unfortunately for u but i didnt post that much cuz there was more fun stuff to do

i was there 4 moots thread on sa where he said he was launching a futaba spinoff and every1 laughed at him and said gl with the site nerd lol

i mean yeah 4chan is good for the constant dopamine drip but the alt chans remind me of the old niche forums i grew up on where youd post and then check back a few days later to see what responses you got
miss those days

>>35880445
im not old enough for sa i only know what my bf told me about it like how they gassed furries and other based things like that

>>35880455
>days between responses
might as well snailmal at that point
not even a zoom but my old forums at least had daily posts to read

None of them advertise so the only posts are ghost bumps.

>it is easily understood that three yins represent heaven and three yangs represent earth
huh? well it wasn't to me

>>35880346
already found it. started shitposting. gonna shit it up.

>>35880497
sure some forums and threads were super popular and got regular responses but not all of them and i used to be on some pretty niche forums i found by pure chance
the point im making is that they arent creating the constant stimulus that the modern internet has become and that we are all so accustomed to now

smug bans you for missing capitals and periods its unusable

>>35880563
just checked, still no new posts in days
its safe

>>35880646
don't wanna rush things. meant i started planning my shitpost. the next shitpost you see, you'll know it was me, and it was because you told me about it.

once got a mod on smug to edit my post because i fucked up the spoilers

>>35880655
like i said, youll never find it

is it an english speaking board or is it somaliachan learning nip to escape the warlords

>>35880672
already did, you will see soon.

>>35880692
not about to help you bastards locate it by process of elimination

its polishchan

Yeah you already screwed up, there's billions of dead boards but only a handful of active ones.

I love もう　 and present perfect tense forms

>>35880488
it was a fun and a good time

now every1s old and gay and what u would call "low t"

found some old videogames magazines between my junk, they were announcing final fantasy xiii, there was a pic of some kind of trailer with nip subs and i was able to read them easily, this achievement feeling is just the best

t levels and sperm levels have been dropping for generations. our great grandpas could have kicked our asses when they were our age.

Whats a good VN for beginner?

lolige

hanahira is good if you like falling asleep while reading

>>35880914
pic related is pretty good, the Japanese version of course. if you like the subject. which is the secret, you want something thats good and you like more than something "easy"

>>35880057
>eroges
>learning a language for porn
ishygddt

>>35880952
can already tell ima rub myself raw reading this one

feel like i could whoop your grandpas ass when he was my age

acquired 一挙一動

speaking of altchans i checked out nanochans djt and lmaod at the thread being basically dead aside from miniyoga advertising now and then

>>35881059
being dead is a better fate than being a zombie, like us.

>>35881059
lmao that guy

ngl bros i only feel alive while cooming to loli

>>35881075
Natures way of telling you to become a father.

>>35881095
never thought of it like that

>>35881075
へんたいをさったください

is there jap lodoss subs anywhere?

what the fuck https://youtu.be/LBcJ59i-lcY?t=235

it's genetic

>>35881438
did you draw this

>>35881445
No.

cone itchy what
knee hone eh, yoke oh so

https://files.catbox.moe/avvtxn.mp4

korehaorenodaikoubutsudayo

食べるとくしゃみが出なくなるまで、これから毎日リンゴを食べます。

>>35881075
same but also when rooning

>>35881503
seiekike-kinohougaitibanoisiinandayo

>>35881528
kondotamesuwa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me-r5UGjJvg
Damn, matto got pipes

>>35881609
Why does every song sound like it's being sung in the distance.

https://youtu.be/hkbaE7Wka1k

botn: https://youtu.be/UbbOCalEfRY

>>35881609
Remember leveling my pala listening to this song a lot. Linkin Park, Sum41& co were carrying me through 1-70. He definitely has a good voice btw.

why is perhaps or maybe(in japanese) said twice here?

おはようおにいちゃん

ちょりーす

>>35881686
>gei-on
trooncore

Time for some passive Nihongo reps with my vtuber friend.
https://youtu.be/nqx4XG817PQ

>>35881699

あんたなんさいなの？

dont engage with imouto
just wait for him to off himself

>give me some [slack]
>give me some [small piece of coal]
this language is impossible

To the Just Reading Chads here, at what point do you think you grasped reasonable comfort in reading most texts of your personal interest? Rather, how would you describe your progression over time learning in such a way? Linguistic acquisition has been going well for me, and I am not feeling any impatience as I'm enjoying the content I'm consuming. However, I'm curious what the shifts of experiences have been like for others doing the same sort of thing as me.

Personally, my vocabulary acquisition has been rather swell, with my grammatical understanding lagging behind at first, but picking up now. I'm finding non-particle grammatical structures to be pausing me in my reading sessions more than anything now. Despite their simplicity in every way, they tend to be some of the more difficult things for me to work with for whatever reason. Almost tempted to seek out some pre-made, mildly autistic Anki deck to jam out this small stuff, but I probably won't.To the Just Reading Chads here, at what point do you think you grasped reasonable comfort in reading most texts of your personal interest? Rather, how would you describe your progression over time learning in such a way? Linguistic acquisition has been going well for me, and I am not feeling any impatience as I'm enjoying the content I'm consuming. However, I'm curious what the shifts of experiences have been like for others doing the same sort of thing as me.

>voiceless vowels
so...nothing?

https://youtu.be/qMEf0yWKawc

i'm a just anki chad. never going to read or listen to native content outside of anki.

>>35881893
It's basically a very brief pause. For example:
>そっと
>そと
Completely different words, just that the first has a pause in the middle. This applies to everything else. You can hear this same example back to back if you use Google Translate's TTS function. You'll hear that the pitch accenting is different for each word as well.

https://yomikatawa.com/
For all those hard 読み方s

oh of course the pitch accent is different!

wish I was eaten by a giant girl right now

help bros cant acquire ブロント語

>>35881984
id eat you, bro
im human sized, sadly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t03lQIAwPbU
cant stop listening

>>35882040
good music in that show
https://youtu.be/N0IObtsUWd0

>>35882099
had 100% real time comprehension on this cuz its easy as shit i know all the words and she enunciates clearly despite getting basically no audio input over the months but of course youd still say my listening is worse than someone 3 months in at some shitty jp uni program

>>35882121
no im not like these crabs,if you say so it i believe you
this listening here is after the 3 month mark from 0 even at prep school id wager. depends on the student though

also how the fuck did you know i posted that??

>>35878859
N4 is only 1.5k words. How have you been studying?

>>35882136
i mean i couldve probably gotten all of it even back in nov like here >>35852400 i understood everything live speed but i also know people will do anything to gotcha if you actually say anything so i just ignore it dont need to comment on everything
i dont think you understand my standards or what i mean when i say my raw listening sucks (cuz ive gotten 0 audio input) it doesnt mean i struggle with the baby shit youre thinking of lol i just dont want to work on improving it rn cuz it wont be as efficient

>>35882222
its funny you are telling me this like i am out to get you or something obviously i can only assume based on what you have and havent posted about
you dont have to prove anything to me you probably are immersing enough to cover the gaps in anki or maybe you are just diligent enough to get some success idk

i still think you will plateau and get diminished returns pretty soon with only anki. its fine to be where you are at 6 months or whatever but times gonna slip by fast and these wolves will remind you of it

私、一人ぼっちになる時
https://youtu.be/Ni75mYuwvlg

>>35882245
but i remember posting that code gayass clip months ago which you said you couldnt understand at all guess that got memoryholed

i think your ignorance stems from your complete lack of experience with anki like you rep 同盟 a couple of times and what do you know a few weeks later you start hearing it everywhere like in 同盟軍 in that clip (did you get that?)
i did 0 listening while grinding through core 6k and i remember playing an anime ep after finally finishing the deck and my head fucking exploded with how much japanese i was suddenly able to hear i was getting bombarded with thousands and thousands of japanese words id literally only heard the word audio of in anki for the very first time was very surreal so i know from exp that listening can catch up pretty fast

the real challenge isnt mechanically parsing the sounds but having a good mental framework for jp so your brain autocompletes words and effortlessly strings them together to understand what is being said and that framework can be built with reading

>>35882333
>code gayass clip months ago which you said you couldnt understand at all guess that got memoryholed
dont remember that
if that was the scene with missiles and shit i transliterated well (or well enough to not get much shit over it)
otherwise no idea what that was

if you have audio in your anki cards thats a huge bonus though and counts as listening imo

>>35882315
i bet feel-anon would post a bladerunner reaction to this
wonder what hes been up to

Bros the streamer said dirty in Japanese and I understood it. I'm GMI.

beginner here. which of the guides linked here is the real one? ive seen like 5 already

>>35882347
>if you have audio in your anki cards thats a huge bonus though and counts as listening imo
Sometimes when I make cards from Yomichan, there is no audio file (despite hearing it in the dictionary entry). Any idea why this may be? It's been rather bothersome. I have Forvo sources too, just for this purpose. No TTS sources.

Is kanjitomo still the best ocr software for linux?

>>35878859
Did you study or “study””

>>35882347
https://archived.moe/jp/thread/34561203/#34563681

all my cards have word audio unless its a rare word which doesnt have any forvo audio
if i mined from an audio source i also put in audio of the entire scene along with the corresponding subtitles lines if theyre available and a screencap of the scene if theres some accompanying visual

if you mine from anime all of this can be done automatically in <10s per card and ive already linked you vids which show what animecards look like were going over this for the millionth time now

Daily reminder anki is a meme.becuase it’s static recall,
You need to create sentences everyday

>>35882408
>if you mine from anime all of this can be done automatically in <10s per card
How the fuck do you pull a clip in less than 10 seconds..

>>35882377
>beginner here
Don’t learn japanese

what do you guys think of oldschool ajatt? (immersion + Heisig + sentences)

>>35882408
>may 3rd
you can say im lying but i wasnt posting during that time. that was smack dab during my travels to korea and it took me a while to get through the range bans
i dont even remember seeing that op ever

anyway if you are mining audio as well thats a good thing combined with your autism at actually keeping up with things
but eventually memory mode is not going to be enough but i get what you are saying you are using anki to start and then will start immersing or whatever

not sure what you plan to do about grammar but i dont want to argue about it im sure your honest enough with yourself to deal with it if it becomes a problem

>>35882433
w...why not?

>>35882422
you use one of the anime mining scripts for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4t7HYS73ZQ
its pretty simple in theory you just load up the episode with jsubs and have the transcript play in the back

any time you hear something new you just go the transcript and hover over the word with yomichan
if you want to make a card for it you just click the plus button then select the lines you want on your card and bam everything is automatically taken care of word audio scene audio screencap pitch accent graph etc

>>35882440
wtf literally look at the post i replied to there
>>34563061
>since they locked me up in here. nothing better to do. was getting range ban errors till now on hotel wifi and no mobile

>>35882451
oh lol
yeah i scrolled around and didnt find the posts you were referencing sorry

is there any trip who hasnt fallen for ogs antics

what antics would those be?

>>35882440
also you just do sentence cards for grammar theres the dictionary of japanese grammar deck to get you started but you dont even have to do it really cuz grammar shit has entries in dictionaries you can just make cards for grammar concepts as you come across new stuff in your input

>>35882435
Most people just don’t spend enough time studying,
The usual pattern is people study a little, think they are conversational, visit Japan realize they can’t speak or understand at all, and they go on one of two paths, ethief they don’t change anything and become 10 year no progress people or they start studying for hours and hours a day.
Flash cards is not studying, watching anime is not studying. Actually rewriting and studying structure while you immersioning is studying.
Also heisig is a dead end. It’s a great way to burn time studying without studying japanese

>>35882433
Becuase you aren’t interested in japanese, you are interested in anime, be happy with subs, it takes years to get decent and unless you live in japan it is a dead end and living in japan sucks, and as a native English speaker you could learn 3 western languages in the time it takes you to learn japanese

btw i dont know why you think i didnt understand that
i dont usually clink links hosted on urls like that even now i didnt click it
but now you will probably link where i said i watched it and didnt udnerstand it lmao

i might actually be losing my wits to have memory this bad its getting worse
>>35882467
i thought you were a qm acolyte and thought sentence cards were a sin?
i dont recommend making dedicated grammar cards from dictionaries its one thing on paper and another in how people actually talk. sentence cards from wild japanese is a lot better

>>35882478
Ment to link
>>35882448
Becuase you aren’t interested in japanese, you are interested in anime, be happy with subs, it takes years to get decent and unless you live in japan it is a dead end and living in japan sucks, and as a native English speaker you could learn 3 western languages in the time it takes you to learn japanese

>>35882500
88 weeks to learn Nip? What's their method?

>>35882509
2200 class hours :)

oh look at that just under 2 years assuming classes whod EVER have thought of that...

jamal what do you think of muramasa

Huh. Maybe I should google what they teach in class and steal their resources.

>>35882525
just make sure its a 2 year prep school actually in japan
they all pretty much use minna no nihongo and start monolingual and kanji ends up a separate class

>>35882500
ive been immersing for a little under two years and im still not fluent

>>35882509
Language school
https://www.state.gov/foreign-language-training/

>>35882532
Immersion is overrated without someone to guide you,
Also watching tv is the weak form of immersion

>>35882541
now write this in japanese

>>35882544
No u

>>35882484
so youre basically suggesting i linked you a virus lol ok
anyway it was this scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HqV03Jouzk dont look at the subs and be honest with yourself

imo sentence cards are shit for vocab it completely gives away the meaning when you have the sentence on the front
but some words have multiple wildly different meanings and in those cases you just put some context on the front to disambiguate
grammar is different it literally makes no sense to learn it out of context

>i dont recommend making dedicated grammar cards from dictionaries its one thing on paper and another in how people actually talk. sentence cards from wild japanese is a lot better
???? wtf are you talking about you get the terms definition from the dict the sentence is from your input where you encountered the term how is the sentence not from the wild

>>35882546
leave this thread uppercasing faggot

>>35882530
Why does Japan have a prep school for teaching Japanese.

>>35882558
so foreign students can efficiently learn japanese in order to enter jp university and understand the courses

>>35882509
5 hours a day 5 days a week for 37 weeks with a professional teacher for the basic course

>>35882550
i can understand most of this because its chuuni dialog which is kind of my thing actually
except terms unique to the show of course
the echo is annoying though

whether you want to believe me or not is up to you

>>35882558
To steal weebs money.

>>35882580
you dont get to churn out student visas for the sake of a scam
the government is particular as fuck as to the criteria of the school petitioning for them

Forgot the link https://fsitraining.state.gov/Catalog/CourseDetails/LJA100

im gonna lol if i djt ends up just taking recommended classes online and cracking the trick to quickly learning japanese

>>35882598
That's a lot of money.

北京語と

広東語と

香港語と

台湾語は

親戚だけど、同一じゃないよね

>>35882607
Yeah well it’s mostly meant for diplomats, who get it for free if it’s part of their assignment. Only government employees talking it for a lark have to pay

>classes online
could you come up with anything less useful

>>35882638
yeah its a "fuck off" price

>could you come up with anything less useful
every other method djt memes

>>35882606
matto took college level japanese and found it piss easy after doing immersion learning

This 60Pound bundle on amazon that includes
Minna No Nihongo shokyu 1 Learning Japanese 2 Books Set , workbook , translation , Grammar , Notes Workbook – 1 Jan. 2012
looks pretty appealing.

>>35882638
my aunt is a diplomat and her french sucks i think she just finally got b2 after years of working as a diplomat in francophone countries

yeah can't wait to go to a japanese prep school so i can blow them away with my jowzu japanese

>>35882576
well if you say so
its just that youve failed at transcribing really simple shit in the past many many times so its only natural people will be super skeptical maybe just write down everything you hear then compare with jsubs in your free time you can get jsubs at kitsunekko.net

>>35882653
true
*boots up rtk*

>>35882662
not western university you mong

>>35882663
Be warned the standard minna no nihongo is for use with a japanese teacher and has no English, you need to get the second book with the right color for self study

>>35882678
thats the best part you mong
if you ruin it by adding in english you are ngmi

>>35882686
It's not gonna help me if I can't read what's in the textbook if i'm honest.

>>35882686
It’s littertally impossible to learn from zero with minna no nihogo. Without the translation book.

I'm getting recommended a lot of English learning books with 'natural dialogue' I almost want to buy them to see what hilarity is inside.

>>35882697
its built from stupid easy with pictures
you know whats going on from context
also it has a cd you can listen to
but yeah being with a native teacher using the teachers book is optimal

>>35882706
why did you start with chapter 9 as your example? post the very first lesson and say that

>>35882677
do you seriously think the pedagogy methods are different enough to make a real difference or are you just being a hysterical contrarian again

>>35882723
western university jp classes are like... a novelty experience for credits on your degree
its absolutely nothing like a real jp class in japan
and i should know ive done both multiple times in different schools

>>35882732
that depends on the quality of your teachers which is probably quite low in burgerland

burgerland has a considerable jap expat community

>>35882741
university jp is standardized
its the same pace everywhere and they use genki and frequently non-native teachers
ive studied in 2 different uni in america and immediately dropped it both times
they dont even go past beginner

>>35882718
Okay smart ass.
This is the first lesson after the hiragana chart.

ughghhghhgh
you all dont know anything about how anything works you just assume assume assume
and im not smart enough to understand and explain exactly why its not how you think it is and its straining my mental limits
just shut up and trust me or ignore me

you have admitted yourself that you are functionally illiterate in nihongo why would anyone here listen to you?

>>35882765
thats the intonation chart which is considered part of the basic prep along with kana
post the actual intro chapter to japanese, please
fyi in my school they skipped this part and saved intonation for later

>>35882780
Are just mining (yous) at this point? It’s universally understood you need the translation book to use it for self study
> fyi in my school
That’s my point, if you have a teacher who can read it to you you might not need the translation book

bad news guys my 食器洗い機 doesn't draw any water anymore

>>35882801
Have you tried adding ink.

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little dekinai? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in Japanese 101, and I've been involved in numerous other japanese language classes, and I have over 300 confirmed genki pages.

yeah do minna no nihongo monolingual from the first day and end up crippled like og where half of your vocab (of like maybe 2k) is a hazy sea of kibous and kitais lmao

>>35882670
fair
i know, confidentially, im not as good as thought i was when i got here
i know i make tons of mistakes even with hearing which im usually good at
but even so im not as incompetent as everyone would like to imagine
>>35882800
hmmm
you know, it might just be that i had frontloaded enough eng subbed anime to make even this chapter feel easy but yeah also you have a teacher with vocab cards interacting with you the whole time

i dont know if i could actually recommend trying to self-studying with minna no nihongo since its not at all what i did
but that being said i can go through the later books without a teacher now

lmao https://youtu.be/VVe1mrd4KDk?t=200

>>35882825
i am a terrible example of how you should approach japanese outside of structured lessons, workbooks, and drills

im lazy, complacent, obstinate, flighty, capricious, barely interested in weebshit anymore, and all my classes were years apart during the summer instead of doing it in a 2 year go like i was supposed to

but despite everything wrong with me my level is sorta...well not bad especially in djt due to doing a few things correctly

>>35882852
>cope cope cope cope
ok

and a confession i only go through the first 1/3rd of the second minna no nihongo at the end of my last summer program

im not even intermediate yet lol
but even so, i was actually learning japanese

>>35882754
Have taken it at two colleges and the genii one is much better than the phd teacher who used the textbook she wrote herself. It was interesting textbook on the language but useless for zero stdeunts

>>35882858
i did use the 'c' word once at you earlier
you could be a little bit more patient in return

>>35882852
Based. That’s pretty much everyone’s experience with learning japanese in the west

og has qm syndrome

>>35882874
the method you propose is shit cuz its boring and makes a lot of people (people like you) want to stop learning jp immersion keeps things fun not only that but its more effective as well textbook drills rely on rote memorization immersion leads to acquisition

new here, what guide am I supposed to use?
I saw the last djt and it had different guides in the OP

Japanese from 0 is a best seller.

Argh, my farts smell like egg now. I should stop eating them.

>>35882919
there isnt that much rote memorization
most the of acquiring comes from interacting with the teacher and physically doing homework the old fashioned way with pencil and paper

and anki is waaaaaaay more fucking boring than that
jp classes are extremely enjoyable

>makes a lot of people (people like you) want to stop learning jp
this is good i'm gonna shill academics now

>>35882825
Geniki with the English is also hard to self study, it just seems easier.
Genii has no pace guide. It will cover a major concept in one paragraph, and then what? Do you stop and study that paragraph for a week?
It’s also unclear where you are supposed to go, as every lesson has four parts in different places, the main chapter, the chapter section in the back of the book, the practice in the workbook, then the practice in the back of the workbook.
Every genii chapter is really just repeating itself to prep to 2 things,
one, the block text reading aloud the chapter letter in the back of the book test, which you need a teacher to grade you on,
and two, a test given by your teacher.
One the other hand the nice thing about genki self study is every chapter has tons of YouTube videos and websites you can google for extra materials.
Dispite what /djt/ thinks, a textbook is not completely useless, but it’s only like a single corner stone, you still have to go beyond and build the rest of the house after the textbook

classes did not make me not want to learn japanese
on the contrary, i was never more engaged and focus than when i was doing it up in japan full time mon-fri

my reason for not doing my classes in a proper stretch was mostly to do with schelduling or finances or something i had a fiancee a lot of that time as well and couldnt just jet off to live in japan for 2 years without him

and now im too old to feel comfortably being like 10 years older than my classmates
plus student visas arent back to normal yet

Anybody know about this?
>>>/a/226119966

>>35883001
I meant this
>>>/a/226112004

>>35882919
>textbook drills rely on rote memorization
No that’s anki.
Textbook does stuff like teaches you grammar rules and inflections with one set of vocab than tests you on it with a different vocab, it’s the opposite of rote.
Immersion is still the best way

immersion can be combined with other things
ive never been against immersion with textbook learning, far from it

just against "immersion theory"

we cant blame og women are ontologically incapable of long term self-directed study

>ontologically incapable
dont know what that means, but i assume i should be insulted

Don't feel bad the one who posted doesn't know what it means either.

are u sure you dont just have buyers remorse over your student tuition and are projecting that onto us og

>>35883072
esl

summer courses were pretty cheap imo
i have a lot more remorse over wasting like 10K on stupid aids western uni if anything when i should have gone to japan to begin with

>>35883088
Stop speaking in Japanese using english words.

>>35883098
I know the feel

Pretty sure ontological is Latin transcribed from Greek

>>35883029
>immersion theory
What’s immersion theory?

and while we are setting the record straight japan is an amazing country and even after visiting like 7 times i only fall more in love with the experience of staying there and you should probably assume the people who are calling you a delusional weeb and always trashing japan have a bad case of sour grapes

but then again that kind of thing is really subjective maybe it truly isnt for everyone, but there is always the chance it might be for you so make sure before refusing to visit at least once especially if you are committed to learning japanese

What's a Shokyu.

the fate of all textbook tards >>35882868
doesnt matter how great your method purportedly is if you cant finish it in the first place
whats easier watching jp subbed anime or doing shitty genki exercises whatll keep you interacting with japanese for longer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2GYfyVWR2M

>>35883170
you are shilling anki which im no better equipped to stick to
not sure what your argument is are you saying all these guys have the same personalty as me?

>>35883149
or better yet don't bother visiting and keep reading your loser vns

og made me angry and now i cant concentrate on my reps

Well despite being hard at work on my duo-lingo reps I feel I could benefit from routine study done by professionals.

professionals at learning languages?

>>35883180
>esl
*closes*

>>35883186
would it make you feel better if i said im sorry?

>>35883162
>Shokyu.
Here let me google that for you

>>35883207
Arigato gozaimasu

アラスカでだいじしん？

ちかくのひとだいじょうぶですか？

>>35883170
>watching jp subbed anime
Nobody learns from that either unless they either already have 1000s of words and grammar down or stop the video every 5 seconds to transcribe, which takes away the fun factor just as much

>>35883182
im not shilling anki but while were on the topic yea its much easier to do than read a textbook 2-3 seconds per rep how tf can you complain

like its just mind boggling i even suggested you rep core 2.3k as pure reading cards if you think you know the meanings such a brainless activity as simple as it gets look at the word get the reading right pass otherwise fail build some momentum and do a few hundred cards a day log 20 hours and youre done
so whats your issue

one day ill save you all from your misery somehow
https://youtu.be/Dvq3p2w-WnU?t=707

>>35883189
The biggest problem with college classes is they go too fast for japanese Becuase to count as a language credit they have to get to a certain lvl, which is possible in the timeframe for Spanish but not japanese.
They really should have a kana prep class prequalifer. Or focus on speaking and drop writing for beginners,

>>35883229
ok so you do a starter core deck and skim tae kim maybe do an intro grammar deck then youre good

>>35883240
>such a brainless activity
That’s why it’s bad though. Ehh still better than the time I waste on /djt/ though, not her btw captCha is DOXXR

>>35883265
wrong
western uni classes crawl notoriously slow
the standards are incredibly low to gain that credit
aaaahh none of you know anything about anything
うるさいよ
もうだまっててくれ

proof that は only marks the topic 2m20s

https://youtu.be/C6LTWcEQpEg#t=140

if this doesn't convince you nothing will

>>35883291
Not the ones I’ve been in

>>35883279
no its good because it makes a lot of things automatic everyone has a limited amount of attention rather spend it enjoying your input and focus on drawing higher level inferences instead of wasting time trying to figure out readings and basic meanings of individual words or the other crap that gets in the way and kills your flow

>>35883291
dunno how you wanted that to come across but it looks like you're fighting the voices in your head

https://t.me/DailyJapaneseThread

>>35883328
sorry you are a retard

>>35883291
i took four semesters of Japanese at a major state college (for ez credits bc I was already around N1 at this time it turned out lol) and by the fourth there were only like 6 students left because everyone else constantly complained that the class was moving too fast for them

>>35883315
は　efinsizies what comes before it, が　efinsizes what comes after it.
That’s why 何　Takes が。

>>35883351
yeah but like, its super slow though isnt it you should know
just cause western students are dumb/lazy fucks cant be helped i guess

do you guys use blue light adjustment on your PCs

>>35883364
sometimes yes

og what are your anki statistics like

>>35883061
マンコを嗅がせてください
減るもんじゃないだろう

westoids are dumb og said it

>>35883363
i guess it can be true that it's simultaneously too fast (for retard college students) and too slow (for someone serious about the language)
i don't really remember how much the classes covered though, i mostly used them to get tutoring on my pronunciation and diction from the native professor since my speaking sucked at the time

I’m convinced the problem is anki just doesn’t work for some people.
Im happy for the ones it does
but I never progress on it at all, it doesn’t write to the part of my memory I use when consuming language anywhere else.

>>35883384
>I was already n1 except for speaking.
>why was this class so slow.
Yo know half or more of the students shown up without knowing 私 or even わたし

this is how i roll

obs: i took this sentence directly from a native with an explanation given for it

how can i be sure i'm actually understanding what i'm reading and not just making the wrong assumptions about the meaning?
>１に睡眠、２に美味しいもの、３にゲームかな。
i get that this sentence should probably be super easy but i just have no idea if what i think is right lmao
like is this supposed to be a list like the "eat sleep game" shirts? my translation is basically "1: sleep, 2: eat (tasty food? i guess?), 3: game"
>美味しいもの
i assumed that this implies that she eats tasty food or something?
i'm also not sure how "かな" interacts with the sentence, because i always thought it basically meant "i wonder"

also is "２に" pronounced "にに" or am i retard

i will master particles in this manner. input works but i noticed that my brain tends to ignore everything that isn't really necessary to memorize in order to understand a sentence (de or ni?) so i took it into my hands to fix this gap

>>35883374
she studies 2 minutes and gets burned out for the day, lmfao

This is only a complimentary book for the main minna no nihongo, you will need both this book plus the full Japanese one in order to learn.

Also, as I stated in my review on the main one, these two books are not meant to be used for self-learning purposes.

>>35883435
https://streamable.com/e5iw3i

>>35883229
anime cards, bro

>>35883459
no video

Yeah all the reviewers are saying it's an excellent book to learn Japanese and also don't use it to self-learn

grammar guides are more pleasant to read after you've consumed more than a hundred hours of content in the language because you actually know what they are referring to and you know the stuff that you have trouble with

>>35883427
found the offical tl and i guess i was decently close, actually
>My first priority was sleep, the second was tasty grub, and the third was the game.
is the "１に、２に、。。。" format a priority list or is that somehow context dependent?
also could somebody still enlighten me on the usage of かな and the pronunciation of ２に tho?

>>35883518
tasty grub lol. rub a dub dub

>>35882686
i mined my cards using english translations (esl) and now i can read j-j definitions without much difficulty

you'll eventually figure out the true meaning of a word as long as you are consuming content in the language. your understanding of it will improve every time you see it being used in the wild.

>>35882801
lol its called 食洗機
why are you making up jp?

>>35883562
You don't know japanese

i use anime cards (almost 6k cards) and sentence cards (1.3k)

and this problem that qm and 4bc mention of remembering the meaning of the word because of the sentence is simply bullshit. the only problem of sentence cards is that they are slower to review

in the wild we have the opposite problem that they talk about. the word is surrounded by other words and you don't know how it is working in the sentence

>>35883475
dame hate it when this happens https://streamable.com/px66fl

>>35883838
lol

how do i stop being an ankidrone

rabu chu pero chu

>>35884051
ひはんではないくかんそうなんだけど

ドラゴンが人間に振り回される話が

人間がドラゴンに振り回される話に

すりかわってるのはいかがなものなの

>>35883838
like that show peep show where they spy on the guy with the iq of 60 bc hes so damn funny

>>35884231
暇だなと思いました

why do all of the best gaijin whitenoise but everyone here shits on it

>>35884434
it's boring as fuck and you don't feel any gains

>>35884434
if you do point blank white noise it wont do anything, you got to get your foot in the door then it works extremely well. i white noised my first year and i feel like i wasted a lot f time

>>35884434
>>35884530
what is white noise?

>>35884434
jesse what the fuck are you talking about

>>35884656
listening to japanese raw audio before you understand anything

why must we have such a strong urge to fap boys

>>35884888
selfish genes

>>35884888
why are you doing nofap?

>>35884902
not him and not doing nofap but i haven't had the urge to in like a week and i have no idea why

>>35884888
Now that i'm actively doing several different things I don't have an urge too. It's different from a few months ago when I would do it all day.

>>35884902
not that guy but i waste hours edging

>>35884928
edging ftw

Am I seriously meant to believe that artists can rotate images in their mind. And then draw it. Sounds like a larp.

>>35884902
after 42 days my first time around i understood why people did it and now i want to try again

>>35884953
yes it's called having spacial awareness

>>35884926
indeed it easier if i'm preoccupied with something that takes concentration but when i'm doing something like watching vtubers sometimes i can't help but think mmm that cartoon is pretty sexy

that webm of 3 girls in wedding dresses from a jav posted recently really got me into groups of girls
might even watch some akbingo or something

tohru's seiyuu is a genuine otaku i really like when they're like that, really shows their passion and love for the form

>>35884953
npc plz

>>35884966
42 days?! thats some buddhist monk shit.. but whatever floats ur boat. i think ur crazy though and just confusing fap'n with shame and you feel good bc youre conforming to society. i have no shame

>>35885172
it's just like my manga

is it possible to go back to jacking off to real porn after jacking off exclusively to anime for an extended period

>>35885188
jav is like anime

>>35885188
yes unironically nofap
after the second week or so super vanilla 3d stuff is pretty much enough to set you off you may prefer it over drawn images in fact

>>35883382
>嗅が
read this as kusaga

jav > hentai

careful with that hot opinion

>>35885236
have to agree i especially like when my javs have plots

>>35884888
cuz we're meant to spread our seed

There's not much chikan hentai content, plenty of jav though.

>>35884953
i've read somewhere that women have a difficult time with 3d visualization compared to men.

>>35885107
there was a study where it showed that porn has a negative effect on your mental health if you believe it's bad. but if you don't believe it's bad then there's no effect. luckily i'm pretty smart and understand there's no such thing as objectively good or bad in a moral sense so squirting out juice from my pipe because a female has certain body proportions isn't wrong at all.

>>35885255
i like how japanese porn have more foucsed fetishes in them

>>35884953
>According to certain studies, men on average have one standard deviation higher spatial intelligence quotient than women.[3] This domain is one of the few where clear sex differences in cognition appear.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_visualization_ability

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPI-J6uSPII
だ・か・ら愛して～愛して～ずっと話したくない
そ・し・てキッスして～キッスして～

>>35885274
i think the same effects applies for the reverse if you believe that abstaining is a good thing
but whatever it feels a lot better after even a week and increasingly more so as time passes

>>35885336
>i think the same effects applies for the reverse if you believe that abstaining is a good thing
possibly but that ties into the morality belief thing. if you're stupid and you think that fapping is somehow wrong then you'll feel guilty if you fap. so you shouldn't fap. it's really, really dumb and delusional but that's how normal people are.

i sometimes wait up to 4 days to save up a huge load

>>35885375
it's not that i think it's wrong per se, but i do think it has an effect on my body chemistry

>>35885401
yea that's called being retarded/delusional

whats the best jav you have guys saw?

>>35885392
if i do that the load just becomes really inconvenient like no matter what i get it everywhere
you know that shit where you can really hear the pressure when it hits the paper

I will try to explain better. When I picture something in my mind it feels more like a transmission than looking at an image, like those thoughts you get that are faster than speech.

>>35885418
DVAJ-0033

when i dont jack off for 2-3 days i actually shoot cum instead of just dribbling

>>35885418
I like the two ASMR ones because I really like ASMR.

>>35885446
fapping daily is not good for you

>>35885446
have you tried drinking more water or simply lasting longer
>cum in 2 mintues, dribbling
>edge for 30, cum normally
>edge for 1hr+, blasting fucking rope, baby

>>35885418
fc2 uncensored vid where girl is dressed as a weather girl wearing the new hire uniform

>>35885446
>>35885483
i never dribble whether i take a couple minutes or edge for an hour i always shoot a strong, long load it surprised me when i heard this happened to guys, hasn't happened to me since my very first faps in my life

>>35885274
>there's no such thing as objectively good or bad
wise words. its like saying clouds are bad or good, dont play societies games

only jobless NEETS fap to porn.

worth

>>35885509
ur probably hydrated honestly, i'm always dehydrated as fuck
it might also be a health thing because even though i'm not fat as shit i'm hella unhealthy

>>35885520

>>35885520
woah now. you're taking it too far. i think most people have to believe in something like that for society to function. i'm just one of the special chosen few who is above it all

i think im drinking enough water. i think i saw a /fit/ guide to supplements for bigger loads maybe ill look for that

i never fapped with my hands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFgwjYfG3p0

>>35885558
This better be a woman post you queer.

theres nothing wrong with being a neet

右利きだけど左手使うひとー

>>35885576
Opposite for me but same.

i like watching this one japanese girl play games on youtube. she's great at games, she's a super collector, she's cute and she's not a fucking vtuber. love it.

all of japanese youtube sucks

>>35881721
Still watching this, i'm glad he's a 12+hour streamer I can listen too.