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Oh boy nice! And cheating detective satori should be updated too soon, letting us see Mima!

ill spoil you the episode
nothing happens

>>35847879
>Clarste translation
No, thanks

>>35848645
who are you quoting

>>35848652
Everyone who had the displeasure of reading Clarste's "translations"

>>35848392
I think that manga is on a hiatus because the artist had poor health or something

>>35847879
Cute whale!

>>35848645
Are you going to start another kerfuffle?
>>35849448
As soon as you saw mention of Mima you should have realized that the post was made in jest.

what did ZUN mean by this

>>35850226
>Orreries
Any time Mima is referenced in the slightest the canonicity of everything related to the reference is put into a highly unstable state, and can instantly become untrue as we have just seen.
This is all buildup for the "Mima Erasure" arc.

>>35850226
ZUN didn't get anything wrong, that's literally just a bad translation.

Someone used "empty" for 貧乏臭

I enjoyed the chapter a lot. Touhou has a lot of good "people just chatting" moments, this contained two others

>>35847879
I can't believe Yukari-sama is an attention whore!

>>35850609
Marisa officially smells like a poor person?

>>35847879
Tanks you!

gimme the raws, fuck shitty translations

>>35850734
She's a magician (meaning: uses noxious materials frequently) who never cleans her room and has a hoarding habit.

That said what Hatate is saying is that she heard Marisa was cool and fashionable/flashy, basically, and yet her house is a dingy mess.

>>35850734
She lives in a forest, picks mushrooms and drinks weird potions all day. She smells like how a farm looks.

>>35847879
That frog is going to eat her like that frog ate Cirno.

>>35850762
So she smells like a combination of wet dog fur and blue cheese? I could get used to that. I grew up on the country side.

Marisa is cute.

Not just Marisa, but in fact all women have really shitty messy rooms and smell like ass, they only become obsessed with cleaning when other people (especially men) are nearby.

Smelly Marisa... Erotic...

Look at the audacity of this shitty racoon calling others "attention whores"?
Why is ZUN so stubborn with giving mamizou the spotlight? I will never like her, or touch myself because of her!

>>35852919
I want to see the raws to confirm that she's literally calling her tsundere there, even though I'm already near certain just because of the context.

Yukari just wants friends

Maybe I'm just a speedreader, but did they ever mention what that western alcohol was?

>>35853177
Hag is lonely, please understand...

>>35852264
all people*

Don't pretend men are pristine beings. I lived with too many who WEREN'T like me to know that's bullshit. Aside from mine, every other dude's room I've been in has been full of unwashed towels, mysterious black substances in sinks, and a reek throughout everywhere.

>>35852919
Her character isn't designed to be "liked", it's designed to be nosey, that's all.

If you want to complain about anyone, complain about Usami "I Stole CoLA" Sumireko, who everyone is too nice to nowadays despite her being extremely annoying.

>>35847879
>mangadex

>>35849820
did Miyoi just swear?

>>35848645
More like TRANSlation amirite fellas?

>>35854169
Isn't it sad, Yukarin?

>>35854908

>>35854938
Friendless hag! No wonder she's willing to talk to random humans!

>>35849858
she was going to return though, I could feel it in my bones

>>35847879
Does she have autism?

hope mr frog doesnt have bad end

>>35847879

Good chapter. I can't wait to see what's in store next time!

>>35856152
The frog is next chapter's bad guy, calling it now.

>>35856104
Poor autistic hag.

>>35856152
He will sacrifice himself to save the wet puppy in >>35847879

look at this little fella

look at this little fella

>>35857616
Kero kero!

>>35852919
question from a lorelet, is this the first time tYukari being an attention seeker is addressed?, this feels new to me

>>35857685
that"

>>35857685
Yeah, but Yukari messing with people isn't new. Especially in elaborate ways.

>>35857705
It made me wonder if the community already knew that by artwork like this (unless it's new)
>>35854169
>>35854938

>>35857727
Some do, some don't. Most art was interpretation taken the extra mile in a joking manner. That if it wasn't ruined by inaccurate memeshit.

>>35857685
AoCF has Kasen call Yukari a coward.
There've also been a few incidents (AoCF again, and that story before PoFV from Yukari's perspective) where Yukari has no idea what's going on, and finds out by walking up to a series of people and saying smugly "I bet you don't know what's going on." to provoke them into explaining things to her.

>>35857727
She beats people up in IaMP literally because nobody invited her to their parties

>>35857685
There's a WaHH chapter where Yukari approaches Kasen and comments about her being "on our side". When Kasen rejects this, Yukari cracks for a moment and seems really lonely. She covers it up immediately though.

>>35858877
Yukari is the master of the internet info gathering technqiue. Just say something wrong about a fact you want to know to as many people as possible and they won't hesitate to "correct" you.

>>35857685
Yukari has plenty of canon to realize the truth of her character, so let me be clear here:

If you think Yukari is cool, powerful, and generally a genius who is basically the best, you have fallen for her obvious bullshit hook line and sinker and are bad at comprehension.

Yukari almost always acts behind peoples backs. Yukari avoids direct confrontation in nearly all cases imaginable. Yukari flees from or bows to powerful characters. Yukari basically claims to be able to do anything with her abilities and has shown at least twice that she definitely can't, and sometimes needs very specific conditions to do this or that. Yukari manipulated her article in perfect Memento in Strict Sense to make it talk her up more. Canonically, the only person who has claimed, without proof, that Yukari is an invincible genius is Yukari herself. Yuuka met the Yama and punched her in the face while claiming she was the strongest being in Gensokyo. Yukari? She was like "The Yama? -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK2vik4_ehM "

Yukari is, literally, a coward, it is just that not a lot of people say it. Why? Because that's HER ENTIRE GAME. She manipulates, she hides in the gap, and she propagates mystery. She is a youkai in the truest sense, lurking and never being fully comprehensible. She's definitely a powerful and impressive being, but she is not the most and she knows her limits better than anyone else. That is on purpose.

>>35859918
and also yes in several cases characters will note that Yukari is nosey, or Yukari will show up unwanted, and in IaMP her entire route is about being salty people were ignoring her

She's weak, in a lot of ways, and hides to make it not obvious. Works like a charm, even on fans of the series

>>35859918
On Yukari's very first appearance she brags about how it doesn't matter that she's weaker than the beings running all these afterlives and alternate dimensions she's intruding in, because she surpasses them in wits.

One of the fighting games implies that Yukari's sturdiness comes from concealed armor under her clothes.

She avoids mind readers at all costs. The meeting in AoCF between Yukari and Miko (who *sort of* reads minds) is hilarious.
>Miko has heard of Yukari and is somewhat in awe of her, seeing her as an ideal Taoist "ruler from the shadows"
>Yukari tries the Internet info gathering technique on Miko... and Miko calls her bluff, insisting Yukari turn over *her* info instead
>Yukari brushes off Miko's requests, resulting in possibly the only time Miko has ever become genuinely pissed off. It's pure "I'M NOT A SHEEPLE!" ree-ing.

>>35859918
>Yukari manipulated her article in perfect Memento in Strict Sense to make it talk her up more.
I mean, they spell this out twice. Akyuu says "some of the youkai asked me to talk them up, and hey there's no harm in being cautious". And then the prelude comic is outright Yukari coming to Akyuu's house, and Akyuu handing her the manuscript for her to "make corrections" (and during their conversation Akyuu says things which are the opposite of what she says in Yukari's article, for extra confirmation that it's unreliable).

>>35859918
>>35859947
>>35860123
>>35860192
I don't care what anyone says! Gappy is smart! Gappy is cool! Gappy is 17! She is the fitting and well loved shadow ruler of Gensokyo!

>>35847879
Yukari is going to show up and get really, really drunk, then Miyoi is going to get her revenge by having Yukari dream of being eaten by a yokai whale, but Yukari's border powers make the dream become real and the monster whale rampages through Gensokyo as the final boss of the series.

>>35860389
Go to sleep, Yukari.

>>35860632
Yukari showing up and getting wasted!
Yukari making a huge fool of herself and being forced to leave!
Yukari arriving at home at 3AM!
Ran waiting at the door to chastise Yukari!
Chen waking up to the sounds of their argument!
Chen crying when Yukari starts beating Ran!
Yukari yelling at Ran to clean up the mess and for Chen to shut the fuck up so she can sleep!
Ran trying to hide her black eye from Chen during breakfast the next day!

>>35859917
it is still shitposting, even if it's ironic, yukarin

I wanna make Yukari socialize properly

>>35859833
damn I knew I had to beat all of IaMP

>>35859918
>If you think Yukari is cool, powerful, and generally a genius who is basically the best
my headcanon with what I've already read/play is that Yukari is a mastermind(to some degree) that doesnt like direct combat, but overall that she was really mysterious and teasiong, but reading this now everything makes sense

>>35863127
Is she the strongest sage?

>>35863715
Yesh

>>35863712
teasing"

>>35863712
>my headcanon
Fuck off, you filthy secondary!

>>35860123
The meiling quote you’re talking about is referring to her actual body most likely
Rinnosuke hit her hand with a mallet with no effect
She probably did some gap fuckery to herself to the boundaries of pain/toughness

>>35864200
You didn't read the rest didn't you?

>>35859918
It all makes sense when you remember that yukari is Maribel.
Suika‘s quote “Yukari’s existence is a fraud” in 7.5 is relevant.
Maribel is from the future but has been shown to be able to go to the past, albeit unwillingly (PMISS).
One day Maribel may have manipulated the gaps of time or fell through like previously and became stuck in Gensokyo... A millennium in the past
A college girl, far from home in both time and space, alone, with monsters who would eat her lurking in the darkness, her only friend(s?) thousands of years from being born.
With her fascination with youkai, a paradise, and to stay alive, it is no wonder she became one of them. Yukari was the persona she took on to face the hand she was dealt.
Yukari was born thousands of years before Maribel set foot on this earth, that is the reason her existence “is a fraud”
Despite all of the walls she can put up, all of the illusions, boundaries, and theatre she can create, Yukari Yakumo is still the scared, lonesome, Maribel Hearn— thousands of years apart from her best friend.
“I have come to believe, Integra, that those frightening immortals are in fact frail sobbing children.“

>>35861557
relatable

>>35864732
is that why she's fond of reimu?

>>35854523
what's wrong with mangadex?

>>35863715
The only sage to be beaten by a fairy

>>35857616
Next chapters will be the revenge of Moriya shrine, with Suwako at the lead. Miyoi better watch her ass!

I want to see Miyoi interact with other zashiki-warashi

>>35847879
That line from Suika, as well as the other stuff mentioned in this thread has really "humanized" Yukari in my eyes
I like her more now

>>35860389
>She is the fitting and well loved shadow ruler of Gensokyo!
>well loved
why does everyone avoid her then

>>35859918
Suika herself calls her fraudulent, and it's fairly clear Yukari's a weeabo who turned herself into a yook so she could live out her fantasies with Lunarian experiments, barring anyone else the privilege to prevent someone smarter from actually being a threat with her resources. "The most Youkai-like Youkai" is a LARPer.

>>35879546
>"The most Youkai-like Youkai" is a LARPer.
Because all youkai are fake, so being a fake youkai just makes you more genuine.

You know how youkai only exist as causes for phenomena that people don't understand, and are disappear when a scientific explanation is found? Beings like that are known in theology as "gods of the gaps". Yukari's very title is a tautology.

>>35879546
>"The most Youkai-like Youkai" is a LARPer.
Because all youkai are fake, so being a fake youkai just makes you more genuine.

You know how youkai only exist as causes for phenomena that people don't understand, and disappear when a scientific explanation is found? Beings like that are known in theology as "gods of the gaps". Yukari's very title is a tautology.

>>35863715
Ibaraki-douji was probably the strongest sage in terms of raw power. Given that Kasen can create a senkai and has some level of authority over the Great Hakurei Barrier, but doesn't actually know how the Barrier works, I can only assume that they used her as a battery.

>>35879637
>Because all youkai are fake, so being a fake youkai just makes you more genuine.
I’m convinced he visits Gensokyo.

>>35864732
I should add, as other people have stated, that Yukari is a “fake youkai” in the sense that she does not have an overarching mythological background like the rest of the youkai (sans Yuuka). Paired with what anon said >>35879637
its probable it had a double meaning in interpretation.
Considering Yuuka, I believe she is an “evolved” or “peak” version of fairy. If Seihou project had more influence on ZUN’s 09 Yuuka besides her clothes, the wings could be something else that may or may not exist (of course fanon-wise). Overall there would be a precedent for their canonization.
Secondly, Yuuka is described as a personification of nature instead of having a mythology. Fairies also share the same status in Touhou, being personifications themselves i.e., the fae. I believe, just like nature, Yuuka evolved into a youkai-like state of power— as would organic life evolve.
This would explain her fairy-like demeanor that shows teasing/playfulness in her interactions (she was described as playful or troublesome iirc) and why she doesn’t take enjoyment in teasing fairies (her true kin).
I also believe she is the reason Cirno had vines and a sunflower adorning her new tanned look. She would only be able to get tanned from being outside. The sunflower is Yuuka’s calling card, plus the vines are wrapped unnaturally around her, almost as if they were manipulated. Manipulation of flora is one of Yuuka’s known abilities.
I wonder, as Kasen became the sage for the fauna of Gensokyo, was Yuuka offered the chance to become the floral sage, but turned it down in favour of an easier lifestyle in-tune with her nature?

>>35864732
I should add, as other people have stated, that Yukari is a “fake youkai” in the sense that she does not have an overarching mythological background like the rest of the youkai (sans Yuuka). Paired with what anon said >>35879637 #
its probable it had a double meaning in interpretation.
Considering Yuuka, I believe she is an “evolved” or “peak” version of fairy. If Seihou project had more influence on ZUN’s 09 Yuuka besides her clothes, the wings could be something else that may or may not exist (of course fanon-wise). Overall there would be a precedent for their canonization.
Secondly, Yuuka is described as a personification of nature instead of having a mythology. Fairies also share the same status in Touhou, being personifications themselves i.e., the fae. I believe, just like nature, Yuuka evolved into a youkai-like state of power— as would organic life evolve.
This would explain her fairy-like demeanor that shows teasing/playfulness in her interactions (she was described as playful or troublesome iirc) and why she doesn’t take enjoyment in teasing fairies (her true kin).
I also believe she is the reason Cirno had vines and a sunflower adorning her new tanned look. She would only be able to get tanned from being outside. The sunflower is Yuuka’s calling card, plus the vines are wrapped unnaturally around her, almost as if they were manipulated. Manipulation of flora is one of Yuuka’s known abilities.
I wonder, as Kasen became the sage for the fauna of Gensokyo, was Yuuka offered the chance to become the floral sage, but turned it down in favour of an easier lifestyle in-tune with her nature?
Or even, perhaps she did accept and hides her wings as Kasen does her horns, but refused to wear the getup? I find this answer more unlikely but food for thought.
I don’t want to derail, but it’s interesting to thing about.

>>35879902
>Evolved
I wouldn't got that far, but much like humans can become youkai, so can fairies.
One thing hinted at from Clownpiece's origins as a Lampad, Eternity's unknown connection with Tokoyo no Kami and Touhou Sangetsusei is that fairies are a form of demigod or degenerated god that through unknown means have been diluted to their present state of existence.

>>35879979
I should have said I was using evolved in the sense of just changing something in the metaphoric sense, like how combat or power can evolve. It’s easier just a changed fairy in the most frank terms.
I didn’t actually mean she went through the evolutionary process.

>>35879902
>I also believe she is the reason Cirno had vines and a sunflower adorning her new tanned look. She would only be able to get tanned from being outside. The sunflower is Yuuka’s calling card
Regardless of whether Yuuka was involved, tanned Cirno is a parody of tanned Sakura which is a parody of evil Ryu, so the sunflower is ultimately just a parody of the hole in evil Ryu's chest.

>>35879720
I dunno. She's undoubtedly very strong but there's nothing implying she's more or less strong than Okina or Yukari. I guess you could use reasoning like "Suika was the boss of bosses so she's generally stronger than Kasen, and Suika can beat up Yukari" but they fight regularly, so maybe they're even? So Kasen would maybe be weaker than Yukari. Creating a senkai is a normal hermit skill, default, that she should be able to do. She's actually generally inept with hermit skills. As for the barrier, while we don't know her contribution to it, I always have assumed her ability to speak with animals paired with the presence of the Dragon God on the barrier's creation implies she asked for the Dragon to seal the deal. She does know how to break it in general, though. Maybe all the sages do?
As for Okina I tend to assume that she is indeed the strongest sage >>35863715
My reasoning is that her actual mythology puts her up as one of the highest tier beings in Hindu/Buddhist lore, which would make her completely fucking insane. Even if you don't assume that she is that same Mother goddess completely busted tier, she's still noted as a god that draws faith from a truly absurd amount of identities, and more faith is more power, and she's REALLY gotten around. She also is implied to basically have powers similar to the Dragon God, in that she has the ability to control nature (which the Dragon, in essence, basically is, it's like nature itself) and she can forge life and claims to be able to destroy or create worlds. Given her ties and seen power, I'm inclined to believe that Okina is utterly broken.

>>35881425
She could be in a Yukari situation where she's using the lack of information to obscure her true weakness: even assuming she has so many proxies to draw faith from, how many of them can you say still have active worshipers?

>>35881480
It's possible, but she also demonstrates her ability to control reality/empower and weaken protagonists, etc. Basically she's got a lot more access than usual
Worth noting is iirc her life and mind manipulation is a recent ability
Furthermore it's like, sure, she hides, but she also kicks everyone's asses while boosting their power and fooling around both times, this with the explicit purpose of showing up and reminding everyone that she's powerful and scary

>>35880630
Rather a stretch

Actually rather, no that's simply not even true. Like "dark version is more powerful" wasn't invented by SF and furthermore nothing in her design hearkens to either character, and yeah not the hole in chest Ryu either.

The sunflower isn't a reference to Yuuka either, probably. I am almost 100% certain it is there because... her season in the game is summer. Summer means sunflowers. All the girls dress with their default nature in mind.

>>35880630
>>35881597
That said, literally right after posting this I found a strange creator's article on it confirming it's a reference. Someone should probably link that on the Touhou wiki.

It's still a stretch, but sure ZUN, you do you

>>35881604
article by the way: https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Who's_Who_of_Humans_%26_Youkai_in_Gensokyo/Tanned_Cirno

>>35881597
laffing at u thinking I made that up and scoffing after all that fanon in the post I quoted. I probably should have linked the article though.

>>35881669
Yeah in my lame defense it wasn't cited anywhere and I was like "Fuck outta here, that's dumb"

It IS dumb, but not beyond Ota "HELL MEANS SHINIGAMI MEANS DEATH METAL MEANS THIS STUPID SHIRT" Jun'ya.

>>35881692
Problem?

Kasen chapter when

>>35881692
lame defense? you should die choking on your own vomit for insulting both heca-sama and ZUN-sama just to cover your own ass, tastelet.

>>35883224
Hecatia's design is horrible and ZUN is a hack.

ok retard

>>35881425
>I always have assumed her ability to speak with animals paired with the presence of the Dragon God on the barrier's creation implies she asked for the Dragon to seal the deal.
>She also is implied to basically have powers similar to the Dragon God

Dragons in general, anon. The sages negotiated with Gensokyo's entire dragon population and got them all to leave. All dragons are powerful nature beings.

The PMiSS article only namedrops the Shinto deity Ryuujin (which Touhouwiki translates as "Dragon God" even though it's a name) in reference to the statue the kappa built in the village. Everywhere else the Touhouwiki translation said "Dragon God" the actual Japanese says "dragon". Touhouwiki editors even changed the title of the article from "Species: Dragon" to "The Dragon God". Touhou doesn't attribute any abilities to Ryuujin in particular, beyond what you can assume from real-world Shinto; the most it *implies* is that he's the father of the Watatsuki sisters, which makes it unlikely that he ever lived in Gensokyo.

Kasen does have a demonstrated interest in raising dragons though.

>>35884930
>The sages negotiated with Gensokyo's entire dragon population and got them all to leave
fucking lol
they negotiated with ryuujin who was storming the skies.

>>35884979
>The article says dragons were storming the skies
>Therefore dragons can't storm the skies, only Ryuujin can

Wow, I can't believe Kasen killed Ryuujin and fed its heart to her pet. Or that a major Shinto deity was just a lizard Kasen was raising.

There is literally a chapter of CoLA where Rinnosuke insisted that only a powerful being could control the weather, and everyone called him a moron because it was just a random fairy in his attic.

>>35885198
Who are you quoting mister?

>>35885198
I don't think anyone other than you thinks the sages swore themselves to a bunch of random lesser dragons rather than the water god, you moron.

yukari is great

>>35886146
>I don't think anyone other than you thinks the sages swore themselves to a bunch of random lesser dragons rather than the water god, you moron.
Anon, there is literally a whole chapter of WaHH about a lizard causing powerful, unnatural storms. Not even a "lesser dragon", but a lizard that could eventually become a dragon if it kept growing. You're telling me that a single lizard with incomplete dragon powers is stronger than Gensokyo's entire dragon population working together?

>妖怪の賢者達は、自分の存在を賭けて龍に永遠の平和を誓うと、水は瞬く間に引き、空は割れ、地上は光を取り戻したと言われる。
Anon, this is the sentence you're talking about. The sentence which you're insisting says 龍神 (Ryuujin) rather than 龍 (dragon). I can understand being confused if you go by the Touhouwiki translation, since they keep translating both as "Dragon God" for some fucking reason.

The weather isn't the only thing. Touhouwiki also claims that only The Dragon God can travel between worlds, even though we've been blatantly shown other dragons doing that.

Let me reiterate: ZUN has described dragons as having these powers. He has shown dragons as having these powers. And you're saying that what he really meant by this was that they don't have these powers?

>>35887212
I'm sure lesser dragons can control weather, it's just that there's a 0% chance the sages swore themselves to some lesser dragons instead of the dragon god.

>>35888402
Dragons *are* gods, anon, and high-ranking ones at that. PMiSS even says that twice in the same article. We've never actually seen a full-grown dragon in Touhou, only babies and one sealed into an animal body, and that's not what the sages were dealing with.

There is zero shame in acting deferential to a dragon, let alone a group of dragons attacking you at the same time. Hell, even Suwako calls the Mishaguji "-sama".

The issue is that most of the traits attributed to the Dragon God were actually attributed to dragons in general (the supposed Dragon God article is actually a species article, listed in the species section of PMiSS and complete with sections like "Population Diversity: Unknown"). This slipped under the radar because dragons didn't start showing up in Touhou until long after PMiSS. Ryuujin *is* mentioned in the article, but only as the model of the statue. Honoring the dragons by building a statue of their king is a pretty normal thing to do, and doesn't require their king to have been actually present. Especially since it was built by kappa, who already have strong ties to (river) dragons.

It looks like this started in 2009 when someone edited the Touhouwiki page because they thought the phrase it used for "the highest of gods" is only used in monotheism (not only is that untrue, ZUN is even on record as saying he will never put a monotheistic god in Touhou). Then later editors replaced more and more instances of "dragon" with "Dragon God" without reading the JP text.
Here's the last version of the Touhouwiki translation before that happened:
https://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Dragon&oldid=72254

I'd say if
>The sky was rent with constant thunder, the land was engulfed in a flood that threatened to submerge it, and for an instant, the skies were completely dark.
that's plenty of reason to get on your knees.

>>35884930
>Everywhere else the Touhouwiki translation said "Dragon God" the actual Japanese says "dragon".
>>35888800
>Dragons *are* gods
So the wiki's right?

>>35879902
iirc isn't even eiki critical of yuuka's own existence
if we go with the idea she's some odd fairy evolution that's abnormally powerful, that would explain why she's even that strong in the first place

>>35889310
no, since the wiki si describing it as if there is one singular dragon god, when the jp text is saying that all dragons are gods

>>35888800
>Especially since it was built by kappa, who already have strong ties to (river) dragons.
VFiS nodded to the kappa/mizuchi connection when Clownpiece's torch caused their river to go berserk and transform into a "pseudo-dragon".

>>35888800
>>The sky was rent with constant thunder, the land was engulfed in a flood that threatened to submerge it, and for an instant, the skies were completely dark.
>that's plenty of reason to get on your knees.
yeah, and swear yourself to ryuujin, not random dragons, feel free to keep reinforcing that special snowflake headcanon tho

if only there was some kind of king of the dragon palace, a god of all waters, who, even if a bunch of random dragons stormed gensokyo, would be the one the sages would swear themselves to...

https://global.bookwalker.jp/de9c77dda1-ad7f-4ec4-b38b-237e48c5a5dd/the-lotus-eaters-drunk-and-sober%E3%80%80chapter-1-drunks-have-no-recollection-of-the-night-before-part1/
we have an official english release bros

>>35892829
>>35892859
Is this bizarro /jp/? Normally people are jumping down Touhou translators' throats all the time under the assumption they made stuff up. Here the translator of the PMiSS page outright admitted to making stuff up, but people are sucking his dick so hard that they're calling ZUN a moron and declaring half the manga in the series non-canon.

>>35894458
oh wait, they localized youkai to ghoul
that's actually even worse than the FS translation

>>35894458
If we ignore the ghoul thing, it is a way better translation.

>>35894956
What’s stopping us from manually fixing the translation?

>>35894458
they translated oni as demon, while the FS translation translated youma book as demon book
this can only end well

>>35894956
Reimu, the ghoul killer. Rinnosuke, the half ghoul half human. Who the fuck came up with the idea to translate youkai like that, next thing you know that joke image about the English localized 4kids name will come true.

>>35894956
The one on the right is better.

>>35896247
They were probably trying to appeal to "western audiences" by dumbing down the translation which is the same reason I hate Funimation translation. Thank god for fan scanlators because corporations never seem to get it right.

Clarste is stopping his translations.

>>35894956
>If we ignore the ghoul thing, it is a way better translation.
>Toku (Gluck) Toku (Gluck)
Lmao

>>35897362
Wow, anon is such an obnoxious faggot. Who even amuses themself like that

>>35894956
The right is better, even if malarkey is a weird word. You're embarrassing, anon

>>35895140
Would it kill the literal professional translators to look a little into the series their getting paid to translate? Well, probably. It's not like it pays well, surely

Demons and oni are different things of course. Suika actually has a line explicitly saying she isn't one

Well now we are just gonna have to hope that another group thats good at translation picks up Lotus Eaters, since its touhou it shouldn't be too long though. (right?)

>>35884930
Oh god it's this moron

No, anon, it's one fucking dragon, that's why the statue is of one fucking dragon, all official art of The Dragon is one dragon, and Japanese touhou fans consider it one dragon as well. I literally went on an entire lore adventure because you tried to spread this nonsense on the touhou wiki on a simple AHA JAPANESE IS AMBIGUOUS WITH PLURALITY thing, even though nobody actually thinks this way. There IS an older archived discussion between japanese readers over whether things are meant to be one or several, and this is where I found the several sources within canon indicating they mean one when they're speaking of the one that created gensokyo/forged the barrier http://blog.livedoor.jp/coleblog/archives/51904618.html

There ARE multiple dragons, generally speaking, but there's also a big dick dragon, this is USUALLY the dragon being referred to, and I went through too many raw sources to confirm it. The only thing I'll acknowledge is that ZUN hasn't said one way or another if he ever meant there to be one dragon, it just seems like he's heavily implying it. Talk with Rinnosuke in some chapters shifts between seeming to be about dragons in general or just one, and indeed the PMiSS article is ambiguously worded. Elsewise? They speak of Ryuujin quite a few times actually

That said there are ways to differentiate plurals explicitly in Japanese but none have been used. For my part, since I'm not Japanese and don't have a grasp on the nuances of the language, I will take the common interpretation of native Japanese fans to be probably the truth of the matter, until ZUN says otherwise.

>>35897362
>they took the word Touhou out of the title
They did this with the "official" FS too.
For what purpose?

>>35898247
Wouldn't want any of that brand recognition, that might result in people actually buying it

>>35898042
The immediate issue is no access to raws.

Or at least for me that's it. Even if I buy it I can't rip it. I could translate (poorly), rips are the issue

>>35888800
>It looks like this started in 2009 when someone edited the Touhouwiki page because they thought the phrase it used for "the highest of gods" is only used in monotheism (not only is that untrue, ZUN is even on record as saying he will never put a monotheistic god in Touhou). Then later editors replaced more and more instances of "dragon" with "Dragon God" without reading the JP text.
As for this, The Dragon wouldn't be monotheistic anyways. Its contributions come after the formation of the universe/japan itself/etc. The way things are worded, generally, when speaking about it make it sound like it is nature itself, or a manifestation of such.

We're finally free from the Tumblr translator drama but at what cost
>>35898274
They probably wanted new comers to buy and read it but didn't realize you needed the context from the games to understand it. Also it must have done poorly as even when it was printing I could never find any book past volume 3 in stores.
>>35898275
It's on ComicWalker and Nico Nico Seiga, if you don't mind waiting a month after each chapter release.

>>35883224
I didn't comment on how it looks at all, but the reasoning path for the choice is objectively stupid. It barely makes any sense, which I think is the joke?

>>35898275
Then could you say which of these is more accurate? To avoid a bias, I won't mention who is who, but the horrid typesetting should set you off.

>>35898485
They're both right and both wrong, maybe?

The middle one got the second panel right, and the furthest right got closer with panel 1?

It's a little trippy to me but I'd tl it as
>If it is the fate
>of zashiwarashi to be forgotten, then...
>that's not too sad, is it?
But don't take my word for it.

>>35898559
It's also possible the idea is that the second box of panel one is meant to be a "stop", and panel 2 is indeed what it says furthest right. I'm assuming that the narrative is connected, but Japanese is a little annoying with its lack of punctuation

>>35898208
>you tried to spread this nonsense on the touhou wiki
I've never tried to change anything on Touhouwiki, because I know how resistant Touhouwiki editors are to changing translations. It took years of complaints before they fixed "Shikieiki".

Going from the talk and history pages, it looks like there hasn't been any discussion about it - just someone editing it to singular, then to plural, then to singular again. Unless that happened on another section of the site.

You're conflating three things here
>Ryuujin exists
>Ryuujin is important
>The page in PMiSS has no information on other dragons, only Ryuujin

The only one of these that's debatable is the second one, the exact role of Ryuujin. The first one is demonstrably true, and the third is demonstrably false. This has nothing to do with Japanese plurals being ambiguous - the subject of the page is in the Species section and outright referred to as a group.

>>35898603
>subject of the page is in the Species section
this yes
>and outright referred to as a group
this no, or I don't see anything here so explicit

>>35898559
All 3 of those translations have wildly different meaning though.
Middle has Miyoi being sad throughout because she can't forget the "fate" of Zashiki-Warishi, implies she's sad about being forgotten.
Right has Miyoi wondering if the "fate" of a Zashiki is to be forgotten, before saying there's no way because it'd be too sad.
Yours has her accepting her "fate" to be forgotten.
Only one of these can be right surely.

>>35898630
Rather after it explains the creation of gensokyo, the statue of a single dragon is referred to, and pictured

Like listen I don't doubt that the intent could've been "this is meant to refer to all dragons and every time I say 'dragon' I actually mean dragons", after all that is how it works in articles for oni and such, the real issue is that the end result is one dragon, an explicit reference to "Ryuujin", and years upon years of other things corroborating a single supreme dragon being.

And again, I am not Japanese, I'm just taking this from what Japanese people have interpreted. They could absolutely be wrong, ZUN isn't explicit about everything

>>35898661
What's the full context, anyway? Could help. Like where did this narration start etc, full pages

>>35898689
Last page of chapter 3 of Lotus. Feel free to reread the chapter. If you want the raw of it, here it is https://comic-walker.com/viewer/?tw=2&dlcl=ja&cid=KDCW_KS04201360010003_68

>>35898661
also to explain my stupid reasoning it's like
1) The premise is "the fate of zashiwarashi is to be forgotten"
2) there's a word after this that means "therefore"
3) Panel 4 is: a word that means like "that much/too that degree" -> depressing/sad "thing" is -> none existent (with a flair to the way this is delivered)

hence my tl

>>35898630
Character and Species articles open differently. Characters have an entry for threat level, while Species have one for the threat level of an average member of the species. Species also have an extra section for population diversity, which for dragons is listed as Unknown.
There's one other difference in that Characters have a signature ability and a human friendship level, while Species have a main time of activity instead, but I'm just mentioning that for the sake of completeness.

“Tengu newspaper” as “Shinto newspaper”. Well, okay.

>>35898766
...did they seriously misread the "shin" in "shinbun" as "god"?

>>35898485
Id go with the middle one personally as I feel it fits the general tone much better than the one on the right.

>>35898736
Personally what I think is the issue is that it reads like it's speaking of dragons in general, mentions one with a unique name (which in turn could just be another way of saying "dragon", as it literally only means "dragon god", and it is immediately established that dragons = kami), and then refers to an event which ultimately results in a commemorative singular statue to the uniquely named thing

The way things are worded to create ambiguity in another regard are that Akyuu talks about dragon(s) never being seen again but also introduces them as still around, and existing in several possible places, but that their existence can't be confirmed.

In other words the gensokyo creation section talks about either one or several dragons speaking with the sages, and then leaving. But that is ALSO ambiguous. It mentions making an oath of eternal peace, heiwa, to whatever they're speaking with, and everything stops. Is that meant as in they promise to not ruin everything? Promise to not fight nature or whatever?

There's also weird talk about how "dragon" only appears in crisis but like
no
Kappa talk about river dragons. Kasen has a pet dragon. Yachie IS a dragon, though that doesn't count
Visually when they talk about the rainbows left behind, the weather and "dragon" in canon, they depict one being instead of several
The description in pmiss makes "dragon" out to be so fuckhuge it blocks the sky, but dragons in general need not be so big, so what is she actually talking about, one big one, many small ones, many big ones, what

Overall, given how little relevance dragons actually have in Touhou I think it mostly doesn't matter, but that throughout the series it isn't absolutely clear what's what. *More* things point to one Ryuujin who was responsible for etc, especially as other dragons do exist despite "dragon" supposedly not having appeared for a hundred+ years, but like I said before, Rinnosuke and Akyuu both don't *exactly* talk about "dragon" like it is one thing. Just, everyone else does

>>35898485
The one on the right looks more both more accurate and more coherent in English.

>>35898559
>It wouldn't be so sad.
>No way, that'd be too sad!
Literal translation is "As for such sad thing(s), not exist", followed by わ which means she's phrasing it emphatically. So the second one seems closer.

>>35898883
You're ignoring the "nara"

>>35898583
>It's also possible the idea is that the second box of panel one is meant to be a "stop", and panel 2 is indeed what it says furthest right. I'm assuming that the narrative is connected, but Japanese is a little annoying with its lack of punctuation

>>35898485
Taken in a void I'd agree with >>35898559
"if being forgotten is a zashikiwarashi's fate" "it('s not/wouldn't be) such a sad thing",
but the right is probably closer. Given her happiness and the emphatic わ instead of like かな or something, it's probably "it's not something sad like that". I'm bothered by it saying こんな instead of そんな though. I'd say the right is overall more correct.

You guys aren't seriously going to defend this mess of a translation referring to ghouls and some shinto newspaper that doesn't exist just because you hate clartranny right?

>>35899084
There's really only one person who is obsessed with clarste to that degree and never shuts up about it

>>35899084
I'm happy for anything official in another language so that it's more accessible, but I really hate the way they changed random terms.
Forbidden Scrollery was a bit forgiveable since it's the first English translated book, but you'd think this time around they'd hire someone a bit more knowledgeable about what they're translating.

When is Mamizou getting fucked?

>>35899213
As I put it in another post, ironically you can't trust most official translations *because* they're paid for it, and often not well.

They aren't passionate, usually, it's just a job, and one without a lot of scrutiny.

>>35898705
Well there's a line after it on Miyoi's skirt that says "since 'memory' is existence itself", so it's leaning towards her saying It's not her fate to be forgotten.(since she'd stop existing)

>>35899232
She already fucked that old man she kidnapped for several days

>>35899324
nice

>>35897362
I don't know why Clarste has to be so anal about bowing out whenever an official release is on the table. Say what you want, but Clarste is still a better option than some rando who's just translating Lotus Eater as a job and probably won't worry about consistency.

Hopefully some other fan group steps in to keep the fan translation going.

>>35902064
I respect his knowledge of Japanese culture but he's always been weird about word choice. I think 'kerfuffle' is a bit of an awkward word to choose.

I'm wondering who these English translations are for? They seem to obscure the fact that it comes from a preexisting video game series and they change well-established terms. It's frustrating to fans and likely confusing to newcomers as well.

>>35902154
How do official translations handle the whole ghost-phantom thing?

>>35902255
Most likely answer is that they just call both of them ghosts.

Hey bb ghoul ; )

>>35902154
>I think 'kerfuffle' is a bit of an awkward word to choose.
The games have "incidents" and the manga usually have "less-than-incidents". I forget what the Japanese term is, but it's one that's used consistently.

IIRC Clarste said that there isn't any established translation for the term, so while he's translated it as various things he's been mentally calling them "kerfluffles" for a long time - something that started half as a joke, but that he got more and more attached to.

>>35902064
Hoping whoever translated the last Forbidden Scrollery chapters will perhaps pick this up

the Chireikiden translator isn't going to pick up translating Lotus Eaters, so I guess we're fucked unless someone else decides to take a crack at it

>>35902627
What country is he from and what's his native language?

>>35902863
You shoulda learned jap

>>35903079
i'd just keep the translation to myself if I did anyways ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So who's the retard translator now?

>>35903315
Some low quality outsourced company

>>35903326
Can we scream to ZUN enough to change this?

>>35903351
I'd just tell ZUN not to waste his time with shit translators. Regardless of what happens, someone else will take the wheel and translate the new chapters sooner or later.

>>35903351
ZUN still can't english after like 20 years and probably doesn't care.

>>35903351
i wouldn't want the man to waste his money when there's so much alcohol he has yet to drink.

>>35903315
Probably the same fucks who translated FS.

>>35903351
I assume it's the publisher's choice, not ZUN, because ZUN doesn't give a fuck about getting official translations done.

>>35903351
ZUN said he fully expects official translations to be bad, but doesn't see why they'd need to be accurate any more than fanfic needs to be accurate. He actively encourages people to use fan translations instead (and to pirate his games if they don't have any way of buying them).

Here's your official translator, bro.

http://www.lapin-inc.com/lang_en.html

>>35904378
Does France really censor things?

>>35904378
>http://www.lapin-inc.com/lang_en.html
Jesus, that’s fucking real. I want out of this hellscape timeline.

The official English version of Forbidden Scrollery was good. This one's okay too except for the dumb "ghoul" decision. I'll be really worried about how they translate titles in the future, since those usually have puns/idioms/Japanese exclusive items. That and if they ever talk about religion or use idioms in their speech. But it could be worse. Don't you remember the official English release of AoCF? That shit was given to a native Korean guy who spoke Japanese as a second language and English as a third and it turned out horrible.

>>35905085
Actually nevermind the people they hired have no fucking idea what they're doing.
https://twitter.com/richard_effendi/status/1421120551767076868

This makes me worried for the future. Since Lost Word has a steady playerbase in English I wonder if ZUN is just doing this concurrent manga translation thing to test the watera for a full English release of his games. Maybe even a console release since he's said he thought about that before. It'll be disastrous if he uses the same company or someone even worse.

>>35905134
Be happy that none of the Touhou releases will be as bad as the Castle Shikigami releases. https://youtu.be/XuNaSA5i4wc?t=1176

>>35898480
...my folly

>>35905134
>Shinto Papers
Troonste Won. /jp/ needs to apologize to xir RIGHT NOW.

>>35905134
please spoiler that rancid shit, or better yet not post it

>>35905521
Anon it's just Peter Griffin no need to be so upset

>>35905536
touhou is sacred
western cartoons are profane
I'd burn the creator of that image at the stake if I could

>>35905085
Do you not remember hideakyuu or whatever way they butchered her name?

You guys are making too big of a deal of this. Now if you'll excuse, I'm going to listen to may favorite touhou song, Hartmann's Ghoul Girl.

>>35904378
Garbage

>>35903351
Of course not.

>>35902064
>I don't know why Clarste has to be so anal about bowing out whenever an official release is on the table.
A lot of scanlators do this either out or a sense of morality, or the official release is up to date, or they fear litigation or whatever. Anyway, it's not just Clarste

Fuck translator trannies
I'm gonna grab a japanese dictionary, google translate, a bottle of vodka and do a better job.

>>35910958
I trust random drunk anon more than any translator

>>35894956
holy shit he didnt even attempt to make the onomatopoeia look halfway decent, just putting white blobs on half the page

Really hoping someone picks this up.
No idea why clarste needs to be such a huge fucking moralfag.

NForza come back, we need you. Now's your time to shine again.

>>35902154
>I think 'kerfuffle' is a bit of an awkward word to choose.
I still don't get this. There were so many better options. Commotion or even conflict would have been better.

>>35912622
Man 1: Did you hear about the youkai conflict?
Man 2: What?
Man 1: Drunk guy got spooked on his way home blah blah blah

No, conflict would not have been better and you are dumb.

speaking of fan translations, I always wanted an entire chapter to be scanlated by anon as a joke, but I could only go this far

>>35913242

>>35913360
oh yeah thats the stuff

>>35913242
That sounds like fun, would it be just changing the dialogues or would it go more into redrawing or editting the panels?

>>35913122
trouble would have worked fine. 'youkai trouble' doesn't imply something big, nor does it stray from the meaning of a smaller scale issue

>>35904378
Fucking hell

>>35904378
>localization
dropped

>>35913242
>Hag and cake
missed pun opportunity.

>>35912384
>she
?

>>35904378
this is literally a standard service, the question is whether the customer wants it or not

>>35921567
Please kys back to r*ddit.

>>35921858
culture-specific localization has always been a standard service offered by translation houses and you only think it has anything to do with politics because you have brain AIDS from spending too much time looking at twitter. this literally refers to shit like using "pancake" instead of "okonomiyaki" in a work meant for small children

>>35922040
>this literally refers to shit like using "pancake" instead of "okonomiyaki"
No, it refers to shit like not offending people’s precious feefees. It is explicitly advertising censorship, Your quote is just plain localization, which, by the way, is controversial enough, especially on the Japanese culture board on 4chan.
Once again, please kys, you are wasting oxygen that could be better spent on creatures whose presence is more tolerable, such as hornets and plague rats.

>>35914828
That time it was one anon changed one text bubble at the time, but if someone else has a better and faster way to execute it, so be it

>>35926932
Rather than a "faster or better way of execute it", Was thinking about it as those /a/ edited chapters where the whole thing is chaotically redrawn. It's more effort but it's more fun.

>>35928350
thats exactly what I was thinking but with those "/a/ subs X anime" but both ideas are fine by me

Looks like Im gonna have to frequent DJT now since we cant ever trust corporations to do their job right.

>>35921522
There's no "she" Anon

>>35903737
ZUN probably hasn't thought about the matter very carefully if that's what he thinks. Surely he has enough respect for the more or less internally consistent story he has written over the better part of his lifetime to fathom why people might want to read a good translation of it. People like touhou because of his good ideas, not because of the dumb ideas of literal who translators and fan artists.

>>35898042
>Well now we are just gonna have to hope that another group thats good at translation picks up Lotus Eaters, since its touhou it shouldn't be too long though. (right?)
In 2010 it was no issue, multiple translation groups making multiple translations of Touhou material because it was so popular. Now that the recline is all in and Lotus Eaters is so fucking boring and lame good luck finding a new translator willing to do it for free. You can always hire translators and people to put the dialogues on the sadpanda forums tho.

>>35926085
It's cancerous, but that anon is right about it being a standard service. Games, even as far back in the 80's have had major revisions to remove content that was "immoral" or "sensitive" for a culture during the localization process and this still happens today. Hell, there are games in the past few years that had to censor decapitations when released in Japan because they're still all touchy about the Kobe murders.
Individuals and corporations without an artistic vision will gladly allow, and hell even ask for censorship when hiring translators just to avoid controversy.

>>35859918
>>35859912
>>35859833
> Create a Paradies for you fellow Mythical Creatures so that they can survive the modernization of the World
> hope they will like you and become your friend
>nobody invites you to their parties and they think you're annoying
Isn't it sad Yukarin ?

If you point me to a site that has high quality RAWs I'll scanlate them if nobody picked it up after a month.
Please note that I'm as shit at cleaning as clarste though.

>>35866229
That reminds me, a few years ago I was running with a headcanon that Hakurei and Usami families are related, and Renko is basically a distant descendant of Reimu. This suddenly seems to fit.

>>35933311
>In 2010 it was no issue, multiple translation groups making multiple translations of Touhou material because it was so popular
Popularity had no effect.
Translation groups then differed because everyone wanted to be THE translator. There were several groups up, and people had rat races over whose translations were the best, most accurate, etc. This can be seen across other mediums.

bump

>>35933398
I’m aware that censorship disguised as localization (or in this case, not even disguised) is a thing that’s done. But I’m an irl oldfag. The 90’s were all about putting this sort of shit to bed. Now that it’s back stronger than ever, I’m not happy. And I have less than zero patience for those who try to justify or apologize for it.

Posted this shit in the wrong thread so I’ll repost it here where I had originally intended to.

How do we know Maribel IS Yukari Exactly? It’s not like Yukaris abilities are special to her *cough* Okina *cough*. Besides Maribel could just be Yukari’s descendant. Just as Renko is Sumirekos descendant.

>>35947970
We don't exactly know for sure, of course, but it's heavily implied. The strongest argument is both of their names being a reference to Yakumo Koizumi (born Patrick Lafcadio Hearn).
Then there's the designs looking alilke and the fact that their abilities' descriptions are similar really similar to each other's, unlike Okina's backdoors.

>>35947970
There's a bunch of stuff
>It's confirmed that she's named after Lafcadio Hearn - the guy who pretty much singlehandedly introduced Japanese culture + youkai-lore to the West, then became a naturalised citizen and changed his name to Yakumo. The titles of most of the music CDs are also references to his works.
>On at least one of her trips, Maribel unknowingly materialised in Gensokyo thousands of years in the past.
>Maribel craves the supernatural and her sanity is fraying (Renko is basically her only anchor to normality), making it plausible that she could become Yukari.
>Maribel wants to see the Lunar Capital, and implies that she's come up with a way to travel there by passing through the moon's reflection in the water. This is the same method Yukari uses, and she makes some odd comments to Ran about the first time she used it long ago.

Recently we got some more theory fodder when the concept of "Izanagi Objects" showed up in the main series.

>/jp/ once again complaining about translations instead of just doing their own

see you guys same time next month for the next seven hundred months

>>35948651
It was only 2 schizos complaining about Clarste for the past 5 years. His translations are fine for the most part barring some weird choices. This new one by Bookwalker is utter shit.

It's the end of an era

>>35947325
>The 90’s were all about rewriting anime and video games entirely and pretending they were translated
fixed

>>35952096
oh, from 1 schizo earlier it has went to 2 schizos and 5 years now?
be consistent with your trolling, faggot

>>35933215
>People like touhou because of his good ideas, not because of the dumb ideas of literal who translators and fan artists.
the translators I agree but the fan artist is the reason why touhou even persist until now. should we forget why touhou exploded back in 2008 because people keep posting hentai and reaction image and in japan hentai+fancomics+music shitpost edits?

>>35905134
didnt he already goes to an american touhou event back in 2015? why did he still need to test waters after all this time?

>>35913360
am I a brainlet for not getting any of that autist hag said?

i wish i could help with new translations but all i am good at is cleaning up, sadly
>>35954338
lots of people dislike clarste for valid reasons but you aren't allowed to voice that dislike because people come to defend him or call everyone else mentally ill
>>35940474
i really hate that phenomenom of translators just losing their shit trying to be the number one in clout, i wish we just had more people who wanted to spread the series in various languages becase of genuine interest

>>35957309
>lots of people dislike clarste for valid reasons
most of these "valid reasons" come from retarded EOPs or cultural warriors. the last thread we had about him we had people fail to recognize a character's accent so they thought clarste made it up. and it's like that literally every thread about anything translated by clarste in the last five years.

>>35961394
>most of these "valid reasons" come from retarded EOPs or cultural warriors.
That jackass uses dictionary translations. Fucking one of them if not all of them are ESL. English is not their first language, yet they shoehorn abhorrent -current year- memes and other inane shit into translation.

enough about clartranny anyone who isn't a fag would at least prefer someone better, nothing to discuss

I just dont like translators that do it because of their massive ego and then use wrong translations because they never learnt about context and "DeepL says so"

>>35965689
>DeepL says so
rundown? I don't use DeepL or AI translation.

>>35948623
she also sees borders and will soon be able to manipulate them (Yukari's power)

>>35967892
the japanese language operates with context, if you translate single words you dont know with google or deepL it will be wrong a lot of times and the argument "but the translator said so" is retarded

>>35964712
>That jackass uses dictionary translations.
every translator, from time to time, will use the translation that was in the dictionary.

>Fucking one of them if not all of them are ESL.
clarste is an american, going off shrinemaiden posts from 2013, which presumably makes english his first language.

>shoehorn abhorrent -current year- memes and other inane shit into translation
the vast majority of "inane shit" people complain about, when examined, is actually just personal preference against a valid localization.

>>35971349
>every translator, from time to time, will use the translation that was in the dictionary.
nah, the first translator who wrote the dictionary didnt which makes your entire argument null
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>clarste is an american, going off shrinemaiden posts from 2013, which presumably makes english his first language.
every person babbles first which is no categorized language so ur wrong
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>the vast majority of "inane shit" people complain about, when examined, is actually just personal preference against a valid localization.
the vast majority of shit smells, when examined, is actually just a combination of molecules against your olfactory system

dude i just love the high qualtiy arguments on 4chan

yes this post was incredibly dickish but your style is faggy as fuck, deserving nothing but ridicule

Duwang translations when

>>35972163
>yes this post was incredibly dickish
who fucking cares? it's 4chan. the problem with your post is not that you're being an asshole, it's that it's just utterly fucking devoid of any actual content even if you accept everything in it as true.

>but your style is faggy as fuck, deserving nothing but ridicule
i'm sorry i didn't point out you were retarded in a kinder and more polite way.

>>35969219
Deepl is rather accurate. That said it can also be wrong. I'm not sure how it works but it seems to figure common context and give translations based around that.

I wouldn't use it to translate something, or as an end source, but if you're casually reading nip and don't know it well, it works.

>>35961394
>most of these "valid reasons" come from retarded EOPs or cultural warriors
Yeah this.

I don't like Clarste's politics, and his translations aren't always the best (though who cares, translating is difficult), but honestly for me my main issue has always been that he touts himself as a definite source for knowing canon, and sometimes he's entirely wrong but still his wrong information spreads.

Even then it's not nearly enough to hate. It's very obvious the kind of mouthbreathers who get extremely angry about Clarste.

>>35972304
not the other guy, you're gay and post like a fag

1. Chapter posted, discussion about the spoilers turns into the implications of the events on canon
2. Discussion about the lore implications turns into translation flaming because of inaccuracies
3. Translation talk ends up as a shit-slinging contest
The vicious cycle

>>35972636
same guy, you're an illiterate EOP tard

>>35972901
Did you mean ESL or why would you bring up being an EOP at this juncture?

Lets talk about the frog, why it is so cute?

>>35973122
cause it goes mlem mlem

>>35975026

>>35975675

>>35976366
Snakes don't blow raspberries.

Frog

So was it absinthe? It better be absinthe.

>>35986245
It was arrogona pilpo but you're not too far off

>>35972390
>sometimes he's entirely wrong but still his wrong information spreads
Examples?

>>35972748
I wish CDS would come back.

Have they fixed the translation yet?

>>35933825
>and Renko is basically a distant descendant of Reimu
Ah, I see you also ship Sumireko with Reimu.

It's not even the middle of the month yet.
I need more chapters damn it.
Yukari might show up again.

>>35987109
I'm not going to dig through tumblr's abysmal searching systems to uncover things again but two examples that come to mind are "Okina is DEFINITELY DISABLED" and "Yeah, Inaba is canon, or at least the Watatsuki visit is"

Okina may be disabled. She's partially a god of the disabled and, of course, she's got a wheelchair and ZUN wanted her in a wheelchair originally. That said she also has appearances of her walking around without any issue whatsoever. However however it isn't impossible for someone who usually uses a wheelchair to walk sometimes. Personally I think she's not disabled, and just likes to sit down a lot, but we don't know is the thing (unless since this nonsense ZUN has officially changed his mind, and I just haven't heard--his opinions are scattered quite far and wide these days)

As for Inaba it's completely not canon. The argument that parts of it are never made sense to me. The only thing that is is the showcase of lunar tech that Kaguya has but that's not necessarily an invention of the work.

-Tewi has access to outside world weaponry
-Eirin, a hourai immortal, gets a cold
-Keine has boobs (lol)
-the Watatsukis visit Eirin

people other than Clarste have also claimed that the last point is totally canon, but if you read CiLR it's obvious this is impossible. They are very clear that if they have any open communication with Eirin they will be *killed*. They are under massive surveillance and suspicion due to being the students of a traitor murderer criminal. They treat any correspondence with the utmost secrecy.
The reason they show up in Inaba is that that is literally the joke: it's funny that despite all of the severity with which they approach the Eirin situation in canon that in Inaba they just show up casually. It is silly. Similarly Eirin is shitting her pants in canon at the mere possibility of Moonies coming down to get her yet she's just a tsukkomi in Inaba because funny funnies. Reisen is a traitor too, who went AWOL on the frontlines, she has very valid reasons to be terrified, not jokey, if they arrive on Earth.

>>36011476
>Eirin is shitting her pants in canon
sorry, Reisen. Reisen is completely freaking out, Eirin calms her down

Eirin has only been spooked once, thanks to Yukari

>>36011476
>-Keine has boobs (lol)
a note about this for context: somehow Inaba is the only official Touhou work that portrays Keine with breasts. Even Hopeless Masquerade (and later fighters in the "series") which was not afraid of giving characters bazongas kept Keine flat as a board. In most fanwork she has breasts, but in canon nope

>>36011476
it's weird and inconsistent, since in AFiEU, Sagume is seen meeting Eirin with no problems
everyone seems to forget that the last chapter in Inaba is about kaguya deciding to write a highly exaggerated story, the implication being that the manga you just read is the one she wrote. So, even if it is canon, nothing in it can be taken as what literally happened

>>36011543
Actually, she has breasts in one Bohemian Archive picture as well. Still, you are right that she is flat in canon more often than not.