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>>35668867
Thank you Mushihime-sama

>>35668926
It was foreshadowing all along.

That's cool. Hopefully it will be on PC.

>>35668867
I've never played any of their games, are they good?

cool but playing non-ZUN touhou games is a cardinal sin so eh

Interesting. CAVE's shmups are pretty different from ZUN's. Only ever managed to almost beat Deathsmiles; had to drive half a day to get somewhere that had the arcade machine, and I haven't been back to rechallenge it.

Excellent. I've been hoping that something like this would happen for a long time.
It better not be a mobile game, though. Or a gacha.

>>35669120
Nah, Princess Debut sequel.

>>35669120
Cave already has a mobile gacha game. Though I guess this could just be sticking Touhou characters in that game.

>>35668867
>It's unclear whether it will be official or 二次創作 (derivative).
It's definitely gonna be the latter. Either way interesting series of events. Guessing that Taito didn't want the license anymore.

>>35669177
It says they're developing an entirely new game.
Unless you're suggesting they'll just release a clone of their gacha with touhou in it.

>>35669191
There is no way they had an exclusive license.
Right?
>>35669177
>Cave already has a mobile gacha game.
I know, and it's very successful too, as I understood. Let's just hope CAVE is in this for the love of shmups and Touhou, and not to maximize profit.

-brases self for all the doomposting from uninformed parties-

>>35669207
Yeah that’s the possibility I imagined, since so many touhou gachas are coming out these days. Hope not.

>>35668867
Shin Megami Touhou: Imagine?

>配信
This either means it's a soshage, or it's a game being released digitally on something like steam.

>>35669249
Well Steam is basically the niche platform next to the Switch

HHHHHHHHHOLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYY SHHHHIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

>>35669249
Or straight to the Switch eshop like Spell Bubble.

>>35668867
This cave? That would make sense.

>>35668867
That sounds pretty amazing, I can't wait.

>>35668867
that was somewhat unexpected, i wonder if ZUN still has connections on the non-indie game community.

so does that mean I have to buy a $5000 board to play 2hu?

FINALLY we gonna get some good touhou games

not just the regurgitated UFO for the nth time or some shitty gacha

>>35668867
mite be cool

Please don't be h*rizontal abortion.
Please don't be h*rizontal abortion.
Please don't be h*rizontal abortion.
Please don't be h*rizontal abortion.

bros i've never actually played any CAVE games...where should I start so that I can get a feel

>>35668867
if it was official, ZUN would have announced it as a decimal game, or at least tweeted about it or something. He didn't say anything, so it's likely just a derivative game using touhou characters.
If it plays the same as every other cave shmup, I'll probably only give it a try out of curiosity.

>>35670133
Mushihimesama

>>35670133
Mushihimesama. Good PC port (with keyboard controls customization being even shittier that 2hu though). No gimmicks, no hyper management, no loops. There is one silly quirk though, it has Malice Cannon-like shot exploit.
There's also Crimzon Clover which is made by Cave fan, plays like mix of different Cave games and has great PC port.

holy shit

>>35670110
It's going to be diagonal

>>35668964
Literally ignoring the entire point of doujin huh

>>35670110
Area 88 but with Marisa in an A-10

It's gonna be a gacha, nark my words

>>35670461
Zaxxon Touhou let's go.

>>35668963
everything wants to kill you in CAVE games.
If you can't 1cc normal, you're sure as hell aren't getting past the opening stages in anything made by CAVE

>>35670734
So Lost Word shuts down so the Rhythm Gacha can be the most successful? Yeah that makes sense.

>>35668867
Something tells me this may have been partially spurred on by the disastrous development of 17.5 so far

>>35671331
>development of 17.5
I wonder what happened to people making videogames.
Not only are the new games made by other companies infrequent, but they're often unfinished and a spinoff of some other popular game.

>>35668963
ESP.Ra.De is really good!

>>35671042
the Dark Souls of moe shmups

>>35671331
>disastrous development of 17.5
I heard that the core devs got hit hard by covid, not just working from home but like actually sick. either way I'm not really surprised that it's taking a while. rather it take long than come out half baked.

>>35671387
In the case of 17.5, in addition to Tasofro struggling with a new engine like they did with HM, they also have to deal with the pandemic and the fact they been bleeding staff to other doujin circles (notably Aqua Style).

you know me some shmups forum
you know i dont collect cardboard boxes with cave logos on em like the rest of the forum do
i don't play little girly dress up game with Reco
i don't fantasize about donatin a million dollars i dont have to cave so they keep making new games they already made
"i'll give you a few million dollars to make guwang 2, i already suck at guwang but gimme another one to suck at"
thats your shmups forum basically for ya

Excited to see what will happen, CAVEs a pretty big developer compared to the other fangame developers

>>35671331
>development of 17.5
From how ZUN was talking about it recently, it sounds like it will probably release later this year.

caves shoot em ups are way tryhardy for me like yes you filled 99% of the screen with purple circles yes this is so hardcore and fun

>>35673031
That's what tasofro has been saying for ages now. Even if it's coming from ZUN I have doubts tasofro can meet his timeframe.

I don’t think it’s gonna be a gacha because I doubt ZUN would give the go ahead to a gacha phone game with gameplay that’s too similar to the actual games. But what the hell do I know.

>>35670110
Fuck you, horizontal shmups can be good. Deathsmiles was good.

>>35673628
>horizontal shmups can be good
Jets'N'Guns is just an exception that proves the rule.

>>35673088
based twitter secondary

>>35670110
3D shmup

>>35668946
This. I hope it's a shmup similar to the ones ZUN made

>>35670110
that would be such a waste

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>>35670133
sdoj pussy

>>35673628
>can be
You mean "the best ones are horizontal", fuck danmaku.

I hope this won't be a gacha, but I'm not optimistic.
Also, has anyone here tried CAVEs gacha? Is it even a shmup?

>>35675848
I was talking about horizontal danmaku, idiot.

what if Touhou vs Cave characters Phantasmagoria game?

>>35668867

>>35677973
Wait isn't that Mystery Company X's logo. AKA DeNA.

>>35678054
Yeah DeNA+Aqua Style+whatever the other motherfuckers were. I can't find a good source for the image so I'm unclear if they're involved in the Cave game or if it's just because of the Touhou 25th anniversary logo there (which they have their grubby little fingers all over)

>>35668867
10 years ago these news would have made /jp/ explode with excitement.
What happened?

>>35679424
>What happened?
Don't ask.

>>35679424
the cave people love is long dead

>>35678794
I think that's just an image ねとらぼ made for their article. I guess they wanted to mention the 25th anniversary, but I doubt DeNA / AQUA STYLE are involved.

>>35679424
Many things. other than that, I'm just busy.
The lack of a single topic dedicated board probably contributes to that.
>>35679465
I've seen this a few times. What happened to CAVE?

>>35676044
It's a shmup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp_-lNKJjeo

>>35680394
their arcade division is dead

>>35680394
Cave made their last arcade shooter in 2012. They've mostly produced mobile games, questionable ports and mobile ports ever since. Who knows how much of the talent is still at the company.

>>35680423
That looked like it requires no-skills alright

>>35668867
So is this an anime?

>>35679424
The board's old userbase got pushed out. Plus CAVE has been sort of irrelevant for a long time now which is a damn shame.

>>35677326
Would cum, many cum. I've been wanting a new pofv for years.

touhou is FUCKING DEAD ZUN IS A SELLOUT

>>35679424
I think a lot of us are very excited, though. I'm excited. And maybe it's not an explosion, but people are posting about it everywhere.

>>35681186
All while also dragging their feet on PC ports.

>>35684036
Their PC ports were a complete shitshow. Between inconsistent slowdown, DFK BL being completely broken at launch and releasing DFK as their first DDP port I don't know what they were thinking.

>>35684290
They clearly no longer have the staff necessary to make them work properly but at the same time don't want to actually hire the talent needed to do so.

I find it incredibly hard to believe modern Cave can make a new game that's not mobile, so my fucks to give about this 2hu-Cave announcement are in the single digits.

>>35680394
They gave up arcade games for gachashit.

>>35684486
I'm pretty sure they used the 360 ports as the basis for the PC ports so it wouldn't surprise me if they were done by a skeleton crew.

Their expectations were also too high for the PC market. I think Mushi did well enough, it had a low price point and is pretty accessible. DFK is where they stumbled. It was their big hyped release and they probably expected it to do gangbusters because it's a DDP game and people have been begging for DDP ports since forever. But DFK was expensive, it's inaccessible as hell and it's probably the weakest in the series. Nobody except Cave devotees are going to jump on that.

>>35684736
They probably thought that having awful eye-rapey flashy visuals and anime bitches will give it some kind of mainstream appeal.

CAVE games suck, they have built in lag to compensate for all the bullets in the screen and the screen looks like vomit.
I'm pretty sure that people that love Cave games mostly pretend to do so for the "cred"

at least post some pictures of their games then I'll care

>>35679424
Twofold. One, Cave is not really that good anymore. Two, /jp/'s been eternally dying since day 1 but a majority of the board fucked off when jannies openly allowed an even encouraged the board to get spammed for over a month straight, killing basically every thread that is /jp/ for that entire time. I only popped back here a couple months ago.

>>35679424
CAVE has never really been that good, there's a reason why 2hu is so beloved.

>>35688925
>CAVE has never really been that good
Wrong. Cave spawned from the ashes of the company that made some of the most influencial STGs out there and managed to make quite a few great games.

>>35673767
The correct term is "keyed", not "based".

>>35688925
>there's a reason why 2hu is so beloved.
I thought it was the fact that characters had lines and the game had some kind of story that set it apart from other shmups. That and it being somewhat easier than the usual bullet hell games.
Now that's all before you get into the doujin material it spawned.

>>35689884
fuck off back to whatever hole you crawled out of

>>35692376
I came from a house, not a hole.

>>35670110
vertical, but you move toward the bottom of the screen

yay

>>35697495
Touhou is dead, you don't have to bump this thread from page 10.

>>35697556
Go back to your e-celeb board, faggot.

>>35694412
With Okina and Seija as playable characters.

>>35691888
Don't forget the in-game music, man

>>35688925
This is probably the most underaged post I've seen in a while.

>>35679424
>10 years ago these news would have made /jp/ explode with excitement.
Yeah, but Cave hasn't done shit in ten years. I have no idea what to expect now.

>>35705613
Mobile games.

>>35705754
I hope they'll just add 2hus to their gachashmup for easy cash while also making a proper game.

>>35707379
Their 2hu mobile game is probably just a reskin of their existing one with 2hu characters.

>>35700038
True.
ZUNpets are iconic.

>>35675848
>"the best ones are horizontal"
I can't remember the last time I played horizontal, but that's kind of true.
It feels more fun than diagonal.

>>35668867
I hope it's a new anime.

Anyone else feels like Cave shmups are claustrophobic as fuck? In 2hu I feel like a have much more space to move around.

>>35716004
just git gud

>>35716004
They general force you to stream more, but it's high-speed streaming so it doesn't feel bad. It does however punish you if you don't know where the big enemies will spawn, since you have to re-stream to change direction. It's a very arcade-friendly design, since it kills you until you've memorized spawns and how to do specific re-streams. Dunno if this is what you meant?
Good Touhou stages generally achieve the same fast movement across the screen by encouraging you to speedkill enemies left and right, but the only punishment for not speedkilling is usually just that the big enemy itself gets to fill the screen with bullet, so it's not as unfriendly when you enter blind.

>>35717881
How do I git gud???

>>35716004
Good shmup level design is about pushing the player around the stage and making them prioritize certain targets while under duress. It's the area Touhou games tend to be severely lacking in so it's not really a surprise if you find an arcade (and particularly Cave games) feel more stressful in that regard, since even 1ccing is going to require you to actually learn the layouts instead of just winging it.

>>35710558
There's only like two or three diagonal shmups

>>35670557
>Literally ignoring the entire point of doujin huh
only when it comes to games. have listened to more arrange and read more doujins than the next guy

>>35724548
Hold shot for focused movement.

>>35724548
Learn to macrododge.

>>35724548
Practice, practice, practice
The biggest thing to accept is that Cave shumps are not 2hu shumps, they're largely much more aggressive and need to be approached in their own way. Same way as say Strikers 1945 is it's own beast as well, and needs it's own mindset.
I didn't pick up any cave games beyond DDP before getting in to 2hu, but went back and played a bunch of them in the past few years and it was a serious hurdle but when it finally "clicked" I actually enjoy Cave games more then 2hu by and large anymore.
2hu games are still fantastic, don't get me wrong, they're some of the most consistently good games that I can think of, but Cave's design is just on another level with the best stuff they did.

>>35668867
It better be a fucking porn game.
>>35724548
Use cheats like the Chinese do

>>35730132
TFW goes for camping trips on the yokai mountain every Sunday. I got laid

>>35688882
you left at spam era 2 and came back for spam era 3, thats funny
we dont have STEAMED but we got 3dpd now

ZUN confirmed on the latest Touhou Station that the game will be a fan game. He's treating it as he treats any other derivative Touhou work, so he knows absolutely nothing about it.

>>35732916
As it was to be expected. You have a twitter link/video?

>>35732991
https://www.mildom.com/playback/10922924/10922924-1626515497
17:35

I want 2hu with obnoxious DonPachi voice acting.

>>35736348
That guy was the best part of DonPachi. Probably why I like Dangun Feveron so much too.

>>35732916 >>35732991 >>35735001
BM: That Cave says that Touhou is the pinnacle of shooting games
Z: Interesting, isn't it? Are they trying to stir me up lol
>まりお「あのCAVEが東方をシューティングゲームの金字塔って言ってるんだよ」
>神主「面白いよね。これ煽られてんのかなってｗｗ」

Z: Cave's Touhou work will be a fan game, not an official one
BM: You already talked about this when making TH18?
Z: ......no more details provided
>神主「CAVEの作る東方は二次創作で原作ではない」
>まりお「これ虹龍洞作ってる時にはもう話きてたの？」
>神主「……細かいことは言えない」

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>>35668867
Itd better be a sex gane8m42v

>>35736348
It would be so fucking weird having a 2hu game starting spell cards with "Watch out! Watch out!" like the boss fights in DOJ

>>35737232
>Cave's Touhou work will be a fan game, not an official one
Well that clears up a lot of mystery and also sort of kills the hype for it. But at the same type i'm a different kind of hype because it wont be constrained to whatever specific standards ZUN has for a mainline game.

>>35740598
yeah but since it's not constrained to ZUN standards, the likelihood of it being a mobile gacha just went way up

>>35740701
Fuck

>>35740598
>whatever specific standards ZUN has for a mainline game
ZUN's standards for a mainline game is to make it himself.

>>35740741
Don't act surprised, modern Cave literally doesn't have the talent for anything else. They can barely manage making ports as is.

>>35746201
>They can barely manage making ports as is.
It blows my mind that there is no modern (PS3/360 and after) port of DoDonPachi. One of the single most notable shumps of them all, and Cave just sits on it, just like they do with most of their IPs.
Futari also has never had a port off of the 360, not counting mobile.

Bee youkai incoming.

>>35751885
Pee youkai when?

>>35740701
>the likelihood of it being a mobile gacha just went way up
When will the mobile era end...
So many games are ruined just because of that.

>>35756775
D^,:

>>35756775
When people stop paying money for slot machines to get JPEGs with a FFF to SSSSS ranking.

>>35756775
Isn't the bubble already starting to burst? It seems a gacha game shuts down every other day. The Sakura Taisen one lasted like a month.

>>35756775
>we will never see Phantasy Star 5 because of this

>>35757212
Nah, I think everyone's making as many gachas as quick as they can to see what sticks. The ones that take off are here to stay for a long time. Maybe they can oversaturate to the point where new ones won't get any traction, but the already successful ones have their hooks in people. There was some rumbling a while back about banning predatory microtransactions like loot crates and gacha rolls but I don't think anything came of it in the end.

>>35756775
Well it Cave's particular case they would need to suddenly get a bunch of new talent to replace all the talent they've bled out over the last nine years. Good luck for that ever happening.

I played some Mushihimesama and Espgaluda recently and I kept smoothly going through walls of bullets that look like they are supposed to kill me. It's like most of bullets have hitbox/sprite ratio of Patchouli's kiwi slices. Of course it's nice not to die when edge of my hitbox touched the edge of a bullet, but sometimes patterns just look like there's no gaps for me to dodge.

>>35766058
Are you playing original or maniac in mushi? Maniac and ultra have an even smaller player hitbox, so you can get away with even more dumb shit.

>>35766497
Original has the same tiny hitbox too, the difference is you trade slow bullet patterns for less dense but really fast ones.

>>35766497
Original has a tiny hitbox too, the difference is you trade slow bullet patterns for less dense but really fast ones.

>>35766497
Sometimes original but mostly novice.

>>35766058
one thing you have to learn with cave shmups is that bombing is mandatory at certain points
plenty of patterns are designed with you bombing them in mind because they're just too fast to clear
hell, for years, the true final boss of mushihimesama was only beatable via a glitch involving suiciding because no one could figure out how to do it

>>35757212
>Isn't the bubble already starting to burst?
With more and more mobile games being made? I fucking wish. It's either that or pirating games or dealing with unfinished bullshit that has all of the content online.

>>35770180
If only I could figure out where I am NOT supposed to bomb.

>>35779654
Bomb away mate. Most cave games give you at least one bomb per stage, and DDP sometimes gives 2 in a single stage. Always strive to use less, but do or die they're meant to be used. Going bomb-less in most Cave games is substantially harder then going bomb-less in Touhou.
IMO shump youtube videos (particularly featuring Touhou) put people in a bad mind set to always try to not bomb when most shumps want you to make use of the utility.
Always strive to use less, but don't be afraid to pull that trigger either.

>>35782921
bomb away in the cave

>>35786854
CAVE wouldn't have to make gachatrash if they had more girls with bombable caves in their games...

Wasnt Cave almost dead?

>>35789932
Modern Cave is basically on life support only making gachas and (failing) to make ports. So whether they're alive or not is up to debate.

At least they're actually making things though. Could be worse, they could be like Treasure who literally only exists to sign licensing checks these days.

>>35790089
>they could be like Treasure who literally only exists to sign licensing checks these days
I kinda wish Cave would just do that, we'd probably get ports of their stuff off the 360 finally if they would just let some dev license it.
All this time and even big stuff like Futari only had the 360 release and nothing else.

>>35790787
I just want Radiant Silvergun

>>35790089
>Treasure
How long until we see Mischief Makers gacha

>>35782921
I bombed Espgaluda final boss and it created mustard gas.

>>35757306
FFFFFFFFFFFFFuck.

>>35791363
Well given Square Enix are the ones that actually own the license. FOREVER
.

>>35668867

>>35762656
>Well it Cave's particular case they would need to suddenly get a bunch of new talent to replace all the talent they've bled out over the last nine years
>suddenly
I wonder why it's sudden and not gradual. (sarcasm).

>>35782921
>IMO shump youtube videos (particularly featuring Touhou) put people in a bad mind set to always try to not bomb when most shumps want you to make use of the utility.
alternatively, you can forget that bombs exist and attempt your no bomb run.

>>35782921
once had a guy get mad at me for telling him he should plan out his bomb usage if he wanted to 1CC, like planning to bomb ahead of time was giving up or something. they put them in the game for a reason

>>35817161
>once had a guy get mad at me for telling him he should plan out his bomb usage
First time I've heard something like this, were you talking about touhou or other shmups?

>>35804157
Open wider

>>35670557
The game supposedly was trying to make Greg the goofy one of the three, but his skill of being able to fly a ship despite heavy damage just made him seem so cool in my eyes, back then.

>>35821868
It's uncool now.

>>35828649
No it is not.

>>35828649
https://youtu.be/iBFfqYfuZKw?t=360
Nah Greg is great

>>35790089
The situation with the STG/action genre and old devs in general is so weird nowadays. We have SMT outsourcing the Metal Slug games to their localizers who export it to some random frogs. Koei is apparently letting Koreans make gacha versions of their old franchises.
Weirdly some tiny niche studios like Artdink seem to be doing alright, they just released a new A-Train game for the Switch.

>>35829559
to think people want quality with garbage business practices.

Is "supershot" a thing in all Mushihimesama modes or only normal/novice?

>>35829559
>>35829559
There's nothing weird. It's sensible business practice, games stopped making money, companies closed down. These IPs are 30 years old now, zoomies don't want to play with their parents toys.

>>35833883
Yet they consume cape shit like there's no tomorrow despite some of their superheroes being almost a century old.

>>35833714
it is in all modes, most noticeable with the Formation options. luckily the pc/360/switch ports have it on by default with some button combination.

>>35837278
>have it on by default
Kinda weird since it was originally a bug/oversight, right?

>>35837524
they just acknowledge it by making it so you don't have to hold Rapid and mash Fire. its like a qol update to the bug instead of a removal

>>35820905
I assume it's in other shmups. 1cc is just a 1 coin clear at the arcade regardless of the game.

I wonder if they gonna use Boss billet patterns from their games?
But if its mobile game then the hype is gone for me

>>35841878
one can hope.

>>35790089
>(failing) to make ports
how do you fail at making a port?

>>35847092
You make them for wrong platforms.

>>35833714
Pretty sure it's just those two.
From https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=67577
>Arrange/Version 1.5
>The base damage of all shot types has been upgraded to Supershot levels in these versions and the exploit was fixed. There is no use for Supershot tapping or autofire in either mode.

>>35847092
Ask GUST

>>35847092
Ask M2

>>35669875
The way it was meant to be played

>>35668867
ZUN also said its an actual full on Fangame that isn't going to be considered a mainline game, so expect horizontal SHMUP cancer.

>>35850418
I dont think it makes the game bad tho

>>35850418
I'd take a horizontal shmup over a mobage, which is probably what it's gonna be. Dunno why you think it'll be a horizontal shmup, Cave's only made a couple of those.

>>35668867
Game or anime?

>>35855956
STG

>>35803882
>>Well given Square Enix are the ones that actually own the license. FOREVER
Didn't they split or am I misremembering?

>>35854092
What if they just want to make Deathsmiles 3 but with characters people actually give a fuck about?

>>35850418
git gud

>>35859911
>What if they just want to make Deathsmiles 3
I really don't think Cave gives a shit about making Deathsmiles 3, or about making any new shmups for that matter.

>>35862229
I don't think it's a case of being bad at the games anon.

>>35668867
based

>>35863468
shame.

>>35834345
That's just a case of beating a dead horse. There are multiple canons for each of them, which is why people have remained interested in such series to begin with.

>>35679424
This is my first post in /jp/ in five years. I am excited!

>>35679424
we live in a different /jp/ now but many of the old guard are excited

>>35877940
How would anyone here know. They have to post first.

>>35669875
>does that mean I have to buy a $5000 board to play 2hu?
what do you mean?

>>35885251
If a miracle happens and they actually make an arcade 2hu game then it'll be A WHILE before we're able to play it and it won't be cheap. PCBs are hard to get for "personal use" and can cost thousands of bucks.
We're only able to emulate some of arcade shmups because western cave fans chipped in to get a board.

>>35885594
The only affordable games are those weird ass PGM IGS PCBs form ali right now. You also need a "mother" board to play. Dunno if they're any good tho

>>35889490
They're either bootlegs or cart converts (one of the dumbest shit around the arcade circle, along with consolized MVS slots). Most cave games for PGM were not released on cartridges but on standalone PCBs with both the logic normally found on a PGM slot and the ROMs found in carts.

>>35885594
>We're only able to emulate some of arcade shmups because western cave fans chipped in to get a board.
huh... I didn't know that.

>>35893098
Oh, and then they had to send the board to the dude who makes roms and hates Cave.

>>35898629
>Oh, and then they had to send the board to the dude who makes roms and hates Cave.
Oh that's rich.

>>35850418
Horizontal shmups are the great casual filter.

>>35903638
>Horizontal shmups are the great casual filter.
>casual filter
I just remembered laptop keyboards.
There's no filtering if the layout is just shit.

>>35903638
Casual? Yeah, I casually avoid shitty games (like h*rizontal shmups).

>>35908534
gottem

>>35908534
skill-less vampire.