/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Purple?

Anybody know where exactly this image comes from? I assume its from a melty artbook, but I can't find the full page.

>>35694483
Plus period.

>>35694510
Thanks anon

Fuck Touko marry Aoko.

>lives shortly after the fall of Rome
>wears late medieval/early renaissance armor
Don't these faggots do any research?

>>35694628
Did you really think Takeuchi would ever draw realistic armor?

Fuck Touko marry Touko.

>>35694612
kill Touko, fuck Alice, marry Aoko

>/tmg/ is somehow still kicking
Holy shit a little more and you'll beat touhou!

Mahoyo has finally been acknowledged after so many years as the soundtrack as well as many others will be able to be streamed on places like Spotify and Apple Music. https://twitter.com/TMitterOfficial/status/1415506870970683393?s=19

>>35694828
Kill Touko, Fuck Touko, Marry Touko

why is he so likeable

>>35695576
You have the gay, that's why.

>>35694828
The only acceptable answer.

>>35694256
no, blue

>>35695576
He isnt.

>>35696077
Based.

>>35695576
He is a sword and i like swords.

How exactly do the Round Table seals work? Is it different for Artoria and Arthur and for what weapon is sealed?

The cover and title for the next El-melloi book was just revealed. It goes on sale August 13th. Also there's some other thing called Fate/Grand Order but who cares.
https://twitter.com/TMitterOfficial/status/1415582762820521986

>>35698664
Should also mention that Mikya Ryougi is the one in the cover and it looks like he’ll be solving a kidnapping case. I’m glad that a Kare no Kyoukai charcter is getting to do something after so long.

>>35698696
Speaking of the cover, isn't this the first time neither Waver nor Gray are on the cover? That's weird.

>>35698726
They aren’t in the summary that’s given for the book so guess they don’t play too big of a role or aren’t the main focus. Is that supposed to be Rin in the white dress shirt with the black ribbon? Doesn’t really look like her to me and thought it was Mana for a second.

>>35698664
The FGO matbook will have entries for Uesugi Kenshin, Paris, Black Bart, etc. so I care.

>>35698867
What do you mean? It says "エルメロイⅡ世たちは日本の東京に旅立った。" Pretty sure Gray and Waver are along for the ride as always.

>Doesn’t really look like her to me and thought it was Mana for a second.
I assume it is Mana. Any reason why you don't think so?

>>35694221
Why is she so embarrassed?

>>35698938
Oh my bad I just assume due to the cover. And it says that Ergo and Rin will be working together so believe that’s Rin. Could be wrong though.

>>35699022
Rin probably will tag along too given they're going to Japan of all places. The real twist would be what if the brown guy with white hair is actually Shirou.

>>35698921
ngmi

>>35695576
other males just can't compete

>>35699341
I'm a mythology and history nerd, I can't help it.

>>35694256
Purple!

>>35696077
Excellent taste.

>>35694256
Purple

>>35699993
And you enjoy these interpretations?
Seriously, this would be considered by others as a great disservice.

>>35696077
>>35700867

>>35701144

>>35699993
Shouldn’t you hate Fate for what it’s done to history and it’s interpretations of it? Can’t imagine nerds like you enjoying Fate’s versions of it.

>>35701022
>>35701603
Maybe he just really loves Nasu mythology.

>>35694221
Actual best pairing in the whole Fate-verse. A shame new Extra games had no balls and discarded it completly.

>>35695576
He is a nigger

>>35694628
Nobody wants realistic armor retard, fuck off and go read history books if that's what you want
fucking idiot

>>35701022
>>35701603
Fate interpretations are very hit or miss. Nasu is a huge contrarian, and sometimes his twists work, and sometimes they don't (by "his twists" I also mean stuff he oversees from other authors).
A great example is Greek mythology. On one hand Fate has Odysseus. His cunning Trojan horse strategy was actually a mecha that shoots lasers and he has Athena's Aegis for whatever reason. Basically complete nonsense and I fucking hate it. On the other hand Fate has Orion, one of the most famous constellations/heroes, but rarely given a big role in Greek myth-based stories. In Fate he's the pinnacle of hunters and rejected becoming a god/living forever with Artemis, as he thought "he'd be needed as a human." In the end, he shoots down alternate universe Artemis to put her out of her misery. Instead of a rapist asshole, he's just a womanizer. I love this interpretation of Orion. Of course, I'm not talking about the teddy bear Orion. That variant should've been a joke variant like Saber Lily, not the "main" variant that it was for years.
Some interpretations are also simply neat, like Salome having floating skulls because she asked for John the Baptist's head, or Black Bart being a gentlemen because he established strict rules for his crew even though he was a pirate captain. Though some are a disservice, especially when they include connections between heroes and gods that Nasu pulled out of his ass or turning anything into aliens or mechas.

>>35703485
The interpretations in FSN are really the best ones out there. It honestly feels like Nasu actually gave a shit about the original myth.

>>35703639
Yeah, he still cared about the history of the Servants in FSN since it went into the themes and related to Shirou and other characters like Sakura and Medusa. Now it's just hiring a popular artist and letting them make their most popular waifu character no matter what the history of the servant is. It's just superficial crap that makes people want to spend money on it.

hmmm

Nice to see new KnK art and Mikiya Ryougi finally getting some attention after so long.

New melty clip and yeah it looks great. Want to play it so bad. https://twitter.com/MB_LUMINA/status/1415597602838515712?s=20

It's amusing how people were pissed about the new Melty being a what-if prequel as if the original Melty being set after the 'Sacchin route' is any different.

>>35704646
Pretty sure some people are just upset that Sion isn't in it anon. It's not that complicated.

>>35704646
I really don't care about the continuity of both of the new Melty and Tsuki since I'd rather they both do their own thing and tell their own stories since I want characters like Mech Hisui to be in the game so just do the Tatari story again and let it happen. It's a mess to have both of those stories make sense so having them in their own separate what-if scenarios are fine. Just give me Sion and the old cast and that's what most would want.

>>35698953
it's her turn to show naked crotch

which servant would you fuck?

>>35705207
Uh, which ones I wouldn't fuck would be a shorter list which is basically just most of the male ones (no homo).

>>35702024

Best girl from tsukihime

>>35705207
Just one? Too hard to answer desu

https://nlab.itmedia.co.jp/nl/articles/2107/15/news146.html
Various TM soundtracks will be made available on popular streaming services.
I want the Priya one though.

>>35705207
Caster, shes adorable and sexy,

>>35705207
Archer, but in a no homo way

>>35705207
Rider together with her Master

>>35705825
>shes adorable
She'd step on you man

>>35705961
Pretty sure she kindly asks Kuzuki to fuck her and he accepts since he has nothing better to do

>>35705207
Hisui.

>>35705207
lancer, objectively

>>35706064
how would you fuck him "objectively"?

>>35706005
That's a weird way to spell Kohaku

>>35706170
he is objectively best pick

>>35706267
Didn't you hear the news?
That's not even Cu

>>35706291
lies

>>35706291
And he's not even Odin, lol

>>35706208
Either one is fine. I’ve grown more fond for Kohaku due to KT and Melty Blood so yeah sure.

>>35704321
Did she really just say Messiaen?

>>35706522
Yeah, I also noticed that I think she said Messiaen which is the curry restaurant from KT. I guess the curry jokes will still stay with the remake. Oh boy.

where is she, Nasu?

>>35706577
weird cat thing

>>35706577
In the Cat Kingdom with the rest of her race. Or in the FGO Carnival Phantasm show.

>>35706577
>インドジン
So does this mean neko arc is racist?

>>35706569
She's probably saying messiah.

>>35706291
>>35706308
So what the fuck is he

>>35707079
____________gay__________

>>35707053
Yeah, that makes sense. I just remember how crazy/angry she was in the restaurant.

Is there seriously no cutscene skip or even speedup function for Melty Blood cutscenes? I got a game over and now it seems like I need to mash through the text to get back to where I was at.

>>35707256
you can press the D button to speed up text. If not that one it's one of the other buttons that speeds up the text.

>>35705207
that's easy, Caster and Rider

>no one wants to fuck Saber

>>35707026
Thats on the list of things definitely not making it into the remake.

>>35707464
Don't be so sure. Didn't Nasu call the super black Emiya "Detroit Emiya" or something?

>>35707415
Can you believe they scrapped plans for a alter h scene? What hacks

>>35707526
really?

>>35707494
This
It's been confirmed multiple times that Nasu is racist, it's really not a surprise at this point

>>35703639
I disagree. FSN has some really bad interpretations, namely Heracles and Gilgamesh, and also some nonsense like Invisible Air, Cu's Norse runes or Sasaki not being real despite myths like Heracles and Medusa being real (though this last one isn't so bad). Not even going to count the genderbending cause Saber's is well integrated into her character despite being obvious Takeuchi/otaku pandering. In terms of cool mythological/historical representation, I think Zero and OG Extra are better overall, and a tiny portion of FGO stuff is also better. Though I should also add I think FSN did Servant/Master interactions the best.

>>35707669
>I think Zero and OG Extra are better overall
I'll kick your ass

>>35707669
>namely Heracles and Gilgamesh, and also some nonsense like Invisible Air, Cu's Norse runes or Sasaki not being real despite myths like Heracles and Medusa
What is wrong with any of this?

>>35707415

>>35707669
fuck off troll. Herc is fine as a mad warrior that lost his sanity and is being cut off from his sanity by Illya. Herc is qualified for the Berserker class after killing his family in a blind rage. Gil isn't the best representation of the hero, but he's used as a tool for the story. The rest doesn't matter for the story that Nasu is telling.

>>35707833
modern TM fans don't care about story, they just want to get bogged down endlessly in pointless lore discussion that gets them excited to buy the next JPEG in FGO

>>35707833
Yeah fuck the guy you're replying to.
Gil is a great example of a servant's identity being used as an integral part of the story and its themes. He's still the gold standard of using the Fate/HGW format in an effective way.

Thanks anons, at least some people on here realize that the themes and characters are what matters in the end and all of those lore discussions or inaccuracies to the myth don't matter in the end. Modern Fate fans just want to cream their pants for the lore and power levels and don't care about how those Servants represent the story or the Master they serve. It's all so tiresome.

>>35707669
>Sasaki not being real despite myths like Heracles and Medusa being real
The purpose of Assassin is to show how powerful Caster is since she was able to break the rules and summon a Servant as a Servant. Him being both Japanese and fictional, breaking two rules Nasu put down for the HGW, further exemplifies that he is an anomaly.

>>35705961
that's what im here for

>>35707415
>flat
>not even loli sized
what's the point?

>>35708183
I never understand those who care about lore more than the story. Like without the story you might as well be just reading a wikipedia page, what's so great about that.

>>35707771
Cu is a Celtic hero, not a Norse one, those two cultures have absolutely nothing to do with each other. You may think the Vikings invaded Ireland but the ocean is not the only thing separating them, they're separated by +500 years chronologically as well, with Vikings coming after Cu's myths.
With the objectively wrong thing out of the way... Do I really have to explain what's wrong with Heracles and Gilgamesh? Herc gets 1 good scene in the entire VN (the one where he saves Illya in the forest), most of the time he exists to be a groaning moving wall, a midboss to be overcome. His Skills and NP don't really have anything to do with his legend besides "he did 12 great things" (vague) so he revives 12 times. Heracles' myth is so rich he has dozens of escapades and none are brought up. He also has zero personality in 90% of scenes he appears in. Meanwhile Gilgamesh is a cartoon villain that got fixed later. Barely anyone liked him before Zero and CCC, now he's the 2nd face of the franchise.
Invisible Air is just a pointless addition not based on any mythology or history so I personally don't like it. No one would even know what Excalibur looks like besides the KotR, since it was returned to the Lady of the Lake. There's no need to make it invisible.
>>35707833
How am I a troll? Wanting Heracles to get fixed with an Archer version has been a thing for the last decade. Heracles was wronged in FSN. I know he lost his sanity, but that lasted for like 5 minutes because Hera fucked with him. He immediately returned to his senses and regret everything. Compulsive backstabber Lu Bu and guilt-driven oathbreaker Lancelot make for much more interesting Berserkers, both for the fitting the class and their respective legends better, and both are allowed to show more of their legends and shine more in the story as Berserkers than Heracles.
>>35707695
Well, Zero and Extra are not without their problems either. Gilles has a random Lovecraftian spellbook and Tamamo is connected to Amaterasu because of a super obscure reason.

>>35708389
FGO has ruined their brains and without having an MC that has a personality all they care about are the Servants and how strong/cool/sexy they look. You don't have to write characters with themes or a personality and just have to have a Servant that people want. You don't have to try anymore and people will just accept all the garbage. And some FGO fans probably just read FSN through a wiki summary so their used to just caring about the lore over the story.

>>35708449
>Cu is a Celtic hero, not a Norse one, those two cultures have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

They're both whitoids

>>35708449
Crazy how popular Gil is now compared to then,
is it because of gacha fujos?

>>35708449
>Cu is a Celtic hero, not a Norse one
Is it actually stated anywhere that they are Norse runes? I don't really remember but who cares.

>Herc gets 1 good scene in the entire VN
This is just your bad opinion. What you expect a deep character analysis of a literal berserker or something? It sounds more like you're just butthurt over the role he was put in rather than whether or not he performed said role well.

>Meanwhile Gilgamesh is a cartoon villain that got fixed later.
I don't know what you mean by this. I don't care about extra shit, but Gilgamesh is perfectly fine in F/SN.

>Invisible Air is just a pointless addition not based on
Oh no, a magic sword has magic powers.

>>35708881
Invisible Air is not something that comes from Excalibur, but rather something that Merlin made.

Sure, nobody in they're right mind actually masturbates to Nasu's porn, but you can't tell me his wacky prose and weird ass metaphors aren't boner-inducing.

>>35708449
literally none of that stuff matters

>>35708449
shut up nerd, you're the worst kind of TM fan. All of your arguments are invalid once you said that Extra was better than FSN for your argument.

>>35703639
I don't think SN's interpretations are accurate or whatever, but irl lore accuracy probably didn't really matter to Nasu back then since the focus is on Shirou and his story. One of the servants is literally him, when it could have been just another legendary hero. I think this just goes to show how different Fate has gotten from the original VN; the focus is no longer on the human Masters but the Heroic Spirits.

>>35709037
>nobody in they're right mind actually masturbates to Nasu's porm
You're right, I'm not in my right mind

>>35709172
that's not giving enough credit to Nasu's writing for handling heroes like Caster, Lancer, and Rider personalities like their original myth. And in F/HA it's shown through their backstories mixed in with their own stories in FSN that he has a clear understanding of these heroes. He isn't given enough credit for doing that in these discussions.

>>35709246
Don't get me wrong, I like Nasu's interpretation of those characters as well. Despite the meme of Fate genderbending historical figures, I legitimately think the way Nasu integrated Saber's gender to her legend made a lot of sense. It's just that accuracy to irl lore probably wasn't Nasu's priority back then, compared to telling Shirou's story. Heck, HF killed off most of the servants early on.

>>35708491
You don't get it. Mythology itself isn't simply composed of lore, but also of its own themes and morals. With some characters, Nasu forced themes he wanted into random figures he wanted. Gilgamesh wasn't chosen because of any matching themes between his role in Epic of Gilgamesh and his role in Stay Night, but because he was the first hero, and that's chuuni and lets him be super strong. Babylonians had no idea he would be considered first anything when they wrote the epic. His story is about a tyrant who becomes wise through his friendship with Enkidu and hardships. Fate Gilgamesh is far from wise, he's a genocidal maniac who thinks he owns the world. Likewise, the majority of Heracles' stories are have the theme of wits, like him cleaning the stables by changing the course of a river or suplexing someone whose invincibility came from the ground, etc. In F/SN, Heracles is just a mindless brute.

>>35709172
>the focus is no longer on the human Masters but the Heroic Spirits.
To be honest, I think this was inevitable. Shirou's story is already done, but to most people, the main hook of Fate is probably summoning legendary heroes to fight against each other, and now, summoning them to fuck them I suppose. So of course the focus would shift to the servants.

>>35709425
>because he was the first hero, and that's chuuni and lets him be super strong
I implore you to actually read Stay Night.

>>35709477
I read it twice already

>>35709431
Shirou isn't the only Master/human they could focus on. He's the most well written one because Nasu put a lot of effort into it, but he could, y'know, just do that again. Hakuno's journey as an amnesiac human/NPC is interesting but the deep introspection just isn't there, it ends up being half-assed compared to Shirou. And with the blank FGO MC Nasu didn't even try.

>>35709721
Well, yeah, but as it stands, it doesn't change the fact that Nasu hasn't done that again. Maybe Shirou's story was the only story of a Master that Nasu wanted to tell, and the series has slowly shifted to self-insert protagonists to focus more on servants.
That said, I've seen some say Mashu is the actual protagonist of FGO, but I haven't read it so I wouldn't know.

>>35709425
>Gilgamesh wasn't chosen because of any matching themes between his role in Epic of Gilgamesh and his role in Stay Night
>In F/SN, Heracles is just a mindless brute.
I don't see a problem with this to be honest. Then again, I'm not a huge mythology/history nerd. I don't think those kind of people would like most of Fate's depictions of legendary figures anyway.

>>35709425
Do I really have to explain it to you when the game tells you all this? Gilgamesh was chosen because he's the one who originally owned all of the weapons that all of the heroes have thus making him the original owner. Nasu uses this to tell Shirou's story of a boy questions if his ideal is real or fake and ultimately decides that even if his ideals and his whole self is fake, he'll still pursue his goal. He's the hero of the story that counters Gil and is the fake that surpasses the original. Gil wasn't meant to be a character that had much focus as he's a villain that is meant to be defeated and even in his myth he's known as an arrogant asshole in his early years. He's not the most deep character, but that's enough for him. Herc's story is simple. He's a man that even without his sanity or wits still cares for his master as he doesn't want to hurt Illya as it's shown in Ilya's flashback with the wolves. Herc doesn't want Illya to keep hurting herself over using him, but Illya accepts his kindness and loves him for it. He's the only one that protected her during her hellish training and he wants to protect Illya no matter what. That's shown in the fight against Gilgamesh. He could've had a chance at victory if he abandoned his Master, but he stuck to being her loyal Servant even in his death. And he surpasses his original myth by completing another labor by fighting against Gil. His devotion to Illya despite his Berserker state is worthy of respect.

DDD3 when.

Post red

>>35700945
blue

>>35705961
But she would do it adorably, and thats what matters.

>>35703639
Medusa is by far the worst Medusa thanks to FHA. If anything FGO saved her character.

>>35709425
>Gilgamesh wasn't chosen because of any matching themes between his role in Epic of Gilgamesh and his role in Stay Night
>but because he was the first hero and that's chuuni and lets him be super strong

Well, him being the best dude ever was part of his myth, he was the pinnacle of man, the perfect human that others can only aspire to be and who is surpassed only by the gods.
To put it in really cringe modern terms, he was a superhero deconstruction. Hes evil superman who needs to learn to be a better person by getting some friends.

His character in Fate, if not necessarily UBW, is evocative of his self at the start of the myth, the cruel, self centered, hero king who does as he pleases because nothing can stop him or make him do otherwise.
In the original route he is driven by simple hedonism, he has no higher ideals or goals, he just wants to enjoy his power and turn Saber into a cum dumpster. Hes not a complex character (although he has a certain nuance to him in his relationship to Saber, as evidenced by his reaction to being beaten). But he also doesent really have to be complex, hes used rather sparingly and is more of a force of nature to be overcome than a true character.

Thematically Fate doesent mirror the Epic of Gilgamesh, arguably it is rather contrary (HF is the closest route to the message of that text) its not about accepting your place and dealing with your limitations, having found sublime purpose in your fellow man and close ones, but about overcoming the impossible through endless drive and about rising above your lowly nature.
But at the end of the day Gilgamesh does have a thematic role and connection, even if it is as something to be rebuked. He and what he represents are to be overcome, his sword (in Fate) is "the sword of truth", his story is about a man who accepts that he is finite and that he can only do so much, he is what Shirou and Saber reject and have to overcome for the sake of their Ideals, for the dream of heroism to beat out cold and cruel reality.

Was the connection intentional as opposed to me grasping at straws? No idea, for all I know Nasu did just include him because hes cool and old and his ties to the themes of the work are simply inescapable by virtue of being a hero from a heroic epic, maybe thats true for any of the deeper nuances and ideas you can find in Fate. But I want to dream dammit.


>>35709938
Parroting the broad ideas of the fiction as part of a big block of text isnt a convincing argument.

>>35708449
Gil is a mess in general. Sumerian culture represented by Nasu is fucking wrong too. I'm a huge Sumerian geek and the portrayal of Sumer fucking hurt my soul.

>>35709938
>Gilgamesh was chosen because he's the one who originally owned all of the weapons that all of the heroes have thus making him the original owner.
This and his wealth was Nasu's OC thing and has nothing to do with Gilgamesh.

>>35708449
>I know he lost his sanity, but that lasted for like 5 minutes because Hera fucked with him
Hercules went on quite a few angry rampages desu. He wasnt insane for all of them, but he did have that angry streak.

Like that time his boyfriend/squire got drowned by a nymph and he held the island hostage out of anger, or when some king wouldnt absolve his sins after he fucked up (well, one of the times anyways, theres many) and he later came back and sacked his city. Or when he sacked troy. Or when he beat his teacher to death with a stick.

Hercules had a mean streak.

>>35711818
>This and his wealth was Nasu's OC thing and has nothing to do with Gilgamesh.
Actually no, Gilgamesh in his myth gathered all the treasures of the world.
Now obviously this didnt mean noble phantasms in the original text, no magic swords or axes or whatever, it meant loot. But he did have a collection of bling.

>>35708856
Its because of later works.
In the original VN gilgamesh was a schizophrenic monster. We didnt see much of him, but what we saw was mostly him being a hentai villain or trying to end the world.
Zero gave him a unified core that tied his UBW and Fate incarnation together, and played up his charm.
Later yet works played up his charms yet again and turned him from a monster into more of a quirky asshole. Hes less a rapey murderer and more a tsundere who says funny words now.

New Melty Preview
https://youtu.be/ntDXsbInCBs

>>35711959
Shiki-sama, you WILL take your meds and got to bed.

>>35694221
Is she gonna pee?

>>35713705
That’s almost October…

>some side characters in a fictional work aren't portrayed exactly the same as some fictional mythology that probably isn't coherent or self-consistent anyway
It's over. Nasu is a hack. I hate F/SN now.

>>35712896
https://youtu.be/1f_cm64anEU?list=PLtzekLVKG1PDSNm1M5npANBcvEPfDiaIZ&t=859
It's fanart of this scene

>>35711787
So you don’t have an argument for what so said? What a coward.

>>35714412
for what I said*

>>35711959
I can't wait for the /tmg/ netplay matches.

>>35714429
I dont think you understood me at all.

"in the worst route of fate Gilgamesh serves as the final hurdle for shirou, the ultimate hero that the artificial hero has to defeat to prove himself and save the world" is correct, but it does nothing to refute the idea that this isnt really "Gilgamesh" as much as an entirely unrelated character with his name and some of his attributes slapped on. (even beyond the superficial stuff like "why are these servants white/blue haired/elf eared/whatever"

The claim you were responding to was that thematically Gilgamesh and his original work had nothing to do with Fate and what they do in it. To simply repeat the things that happen in Fate doesent help you refute that any.

What you say is broadly correct, its just irrelevant, badly formatted and generally fails to present a convincing argument for the relevant conversation.

>>35714537
I cant wait to embarass myself before anonymous shitposters.

>>35714642
Well the original poster said that Gil and Berserker were just randomly added into the story or don’t have any reason to be added to the story and aren’t used well which is wrong. Looking for accurate mythology in Fate is a losing battle so it seems stupid to want to keep arguing with that in mind. That stuff doesn’t matter as much as fulfilling the themes of the story with the charcters in it and both Gil and Herc fulfill that role. The story still uses aspects of it like young Gil’s cocky attitude and his fear of acquiring all of the treasures in the world. FSN isn’t a story that is about the heroes it uses or their past needing to be told or used. It’s a story about Emiya Shirou. I don’t use spaces since that’s how people from Reddit talk so that’s a silly thing to say. Anyway, it looks like this argument is going in circles so let’s end it here.

>>35714882
>I don’t use spaces
You mean linebreaks.

And its called decent formatting, it makes your post readable.

>>35714882
>accurate mythology
This is an oxymoron anyway. That poster (or posters?) just have some weird autism about things not perfectly matching their mythology headcannon.

>>35714979
Yeah, and they care about how their post looks on 4chan of all places so they really are an annoying nerd. Must be from Reddit.

>>35714979
>This is an oxymoron anyway.
Not really. Theres no hard mythological canon for most heroes, but the shared trends and "generals" do exist. Or even to put it more broadly, even if there are a whole lot of different accounts and iterations of a hero like with Arthur, we can still identify them and recognize when a work is in line with said accounts or when it is not.
If someone were to make a renedition of king arhurs story based on the older welsh myths they would be still staying true to the mythology, even if the later christian additions and stuff like the round table would be omitted.
If someone were to make a story about Arthur the vagabond mercenary on the other hand? Theyre not in line with the mythology.

And in the case of Gilgamesh, our knowledge of him comes from the one text, so its not even like with say Hercules or whatever where theres a countless number of different and sometimes conflicting accounts.

>>35711959

>>35715079
>Theres no hard mythological canon for most heroes, but the shared trends and "generals" do exist
AKA there is not such thing as "accuracy" and people just made up shit as history went on. Thanks for confirming.

>>35715118
>AKA there is not such thing as "accuracy"
But there is, the fact that there are different versions doesent somehow change that.

Accuracy in this context is adherence to what exists, nothing more or less.

>>35715232
>Accuracy in this context is adherence to what exists
This is some arbitrary standard you just made up that is incoherent. What so because some fag wrote his fanfiction version of some myth in 1300 or whatever it's suddenly accurate now to whatever the original was? Nasu's version is just as legitimate in that case.

>>35715298
>This is some arbitrary standard you just made up that is incoherent.
Its the only standard that makes sense within a literary context, there is no literal target to hit, theres no actual shot being made.

>What so because some fag wrote his fanfiction version of some myth in 1300 or whatever it's suddenly accurate now to whatever the original was?
Not necessarily. If someone were to write a version of a given myth that was fundamentally divergent then that version would not be "accurate" to the older myths, that is true now as much as it is if this were to happen 2000 years ago.
The divine comedy is literally religious fanfiction wherein the author condemns those who he dislikes in real life to hell and is crowned the better of the famous poets of his antiquity.

That "inaccurate" version might very well however enter the wider context of the myth, and so be part of what accuracy entails for the purposes of a later writer, since it is now "what exists". But that is a different matter.

>Nasu's version is just as legitimate in that case.
Accuracy is not legitimacy is not quality. You are conflating words for no real reason.

Nasu's take on mythological characters is inaccurate to varying degrees with different characters. Some are done rather faithfully (like Caster, even if the tragedy and "villainess" aspect is played up) and some are not, like Rider.

This is not a statement of whether or not his work is good, bad or legitimate, it is a matter of fact.

>>35715476
>fundamentally divergent
So who gets to define that? You? Mythology is literally just a bunch of random dudes throughout history writing stories about popular characters. In many cases, said character probably originated through some oral tradition but whatever that's just a detail. The stories people know the most are the ones that just happened to be the most popular. There is not much regard to internal consistency or coherence. People wrote what they liked. Trying to define something as "accurate" is pure nonsense in most cases. Fucking Heracles is either a demigod or god depending on who you ask. Don't give me that bullshit. Nasu's version of the myth is just as accurate as some greek dude that wrote some poem in 1000 BC or whatever. It's the same shit.

Thoughts?
https://twitter.com/lisa_rec/status/1416014561128247302?s=21

>>35713705
Shiki's looking good.

>>35715700
A bit disappointing but I'm looking forward to the new music.
I wish Beat and Blood Drain were included at least.

>>35715611
>So who gets to define that?
The people who wrote the myth up to that point Einstein.

>>35716069
Who is included in "people"? Where is "to that point"? Why are some fanfictions considered "accurate" and others not?

>>35714356
I'm sure all of this makes perfect sense in the context of the game.

>>35711959
At a glance it seems like actually leans towards Melty Blood instead of Under Night like I was expecting. Pretty excited.

>>35714976
She just saw her sister naked.

Bros... I'm starting to feel hope...

>>35716132
>Why are some fanfictions considered "accurate" and others not?
Because some are fundamentally in line with the work as it exists while others arent?

To put it in dumbed down terms so you might understand:

There are multiple iterations of batman, different backstories, different philosophies, different abilities, different aesthetics, whatever.
Xorn the invader, fire monster from planet Urgak, hell bent on planetary conquest and the death of all life, is not any one of them, he does not correspond to batman or the relating ideas in any way.
The story where batman isnt a billionaire mega 1%er but rather someone orphaned through gang violence may very well still grasp the underlying ideas of batman and therefore be accurate to what batman is. The story where he is Xorn the invader on the other hand would not.

For any given character there exists the established body of work that encompasses what that character is, and from that you can find the core of what makes them that character.

>>35716053
Wonder if this rules out even remixes to old songs. You have to have beat at the end of the story mode or some callbacks to older songs in there. That’s be a shame, but maybe he wants to make a clean break from the old melty.

>>35716354
>Because some are fundamentally in line with the work as it exists while others arent?
Again, who gets to decide this? What gets to be included in this vague "the work" and what doesn't? I can't believe you still can't understand the point I'm making. Sure for something like Gilgamesh there happens to be one source that you can point to (and thus the question of accuracy or not becomes meaning), but surely you understand this isn't the case for the most mythology. Most of it started as oral traditions somewhere sometime and later people starting writing shit down.

>cape comics comparison
Hilarious that you bring that up. I'm not sure there is a medium more known for random retcons and internal inconsistency than fucking capeshit. Well at least in capeshit there's normally one guy that actually invented the character so you could consider that the original and everything else is just madeup shit.

>>35709938
He was chosen by Nasu as the original owner of all weapons because he's the first hero.

>>35716475
>Most of it started as oral traditions somewhere sometime and later people starting writing shit down.
I don't know much about Arthurian lore, but aren't like most of the KoTR late additions or something?

>>35716475
>Again, who gets to decide this?
The people who wrote the work you dipshit. The text exists, what is in line with it is accurate and what isn't isn't. How many times do you need this repeated to you.

>I'm not sure there is a medium more known for random retcons and internal inconsistency than fucking capeshit
Its almost like it was picked for a reason, to serve as a microcosm of divergent canon in a way that could get through that thick skull of yours.

>>35717745
>The people who wrote the work you dipshit.
There is no singular "the work". There is no singular "the text". It sounds like you think there is one big book that has everything in it. That's now how it works. Multiple people have written poems/epics/etc. about mythological figures hundreds of years apart. Do you really not understand this?

>>35706460
I still have to read KT, I wanted to do it asap after reading Tsukihime but I'd been busy lately

>>35717951
>There is no singular "the work".
There is however the compiled body of work.

>It sounds like you think there is one big book that has everything in it.
It sounds like you think there needs to be one.

>>35717998
Just make sure you read plus disc first.

>>35718082
>the compiled body of work
I'm trying to tell you that what you are deciding counts in the "compiled body of work" is completely arbitrary.

>>35718163
No it isnt.

>>35718197
Including works by writers that have never met each, lived hundreds of years apart, and possibly have never even read each others works together as part of the "true canon" is complete nonsense. It cannot be described as anything other than arbitrary.

>>35718298
Except I never mention canon, in fact I explicitly used a genre known for its divergent canons and retcons and general fuckery for this exact reason. You do not need a singular canon to possess the shared "core" that lies within various myths, you do not need a singular canon to possess an established body of work for a given story.

>and possibly have never even read each others works
That would be HIGHLY unlikely given they wrote/told stories of the same character. Somehow I dont think that the same myths spontaneously generated in different places independently.

>It cannot be described as anything other than arbitrary.
You apparently do not know what arbitrary means.

>>35714979
>>35715118
Again you don't understand that mythology isn't just lore or a series of events. There is no such thing as one accurate series of events for a myth, that much is true, but there is a single unifying theme. It doesn't matter if Orion died due to Artemis shooting him as per her brother's orders or due to Gaia sending Scorpio to kill him. What matters is that he was such a great hunter that (some of) the gods didn't want him alive. There are versions of Heracles' myths where he only did 10 labours instead of 12, or versions where he used fire instead of the Hydra's own poison to slay it. That doesn't matter. What matters is that he used his wits to complete the labours, that's the theme of the stories, but he doesn't use his wits in F/SN.
This can even be applied to Type Moon itself. You can say Saber's "myth" in Fate route and UBW are the same, even though the events are vastly different, she ultimately destroys the Holy Grail that she sought after and moves on. You can't say Saber's "myth" in FGO is accurate to F/SN Saber now, can you? It's not just the series of events she's involved in that are different, none of her character's themes match with what was shown in F/SN.

>>35718422
>the shared "core" that lies within various myths
Define "shared core". There is no such thing and this is just something you made up.

>That would be HIGHLY unlikely given they wrote/told stories of the same character. Somehow I dont think that the same myths spontaneously generated in different places independently.
Just because fag #1 wrote something about Zeus in one spot in history doesn't mean some fag #2 later in history read fag #1's work and took it into consideration.

>>35718480
Heracles's labors are a famous and popular story where he uses his wits. Sure. He doesn't use smarts in every single story and indeed there are several times where he goes insane. In F/SN, Nasu picked Herc going crazy (which has plently of precedent) and this upsets you. Sorry about that but there's nothing wrong with it.

>>35718495
>Define "shared core".
The connecting set of concepts, traits or ideas that separate a given character from being a different character. The connecting strand that means that the different divergent stories and events are still the same "myth".

>Just because fag #1 wrote something about Zeus in one spot in history doesn't mean some fag #2 later in history read fag #1's work and took it into consideration.
It does however mean that they both read the work of fag #3 who came up with zeus in the first place, or some other fag who read his work and wrote about it.

>>35718480
>but there is a single unifying theme
And you want to posit that the theme for hercules is wits? But then where are the wits in the various stories where he doesent use them? Where are the wits the time he beat up death to save his friends wife who killed herself? Where are his wits when he just up and sacked troy?

If anything I would argue that "madness", or the consequences of his strength are stronger themes to Hercules' overall story, they are the underpinnings to the general narrative, his strength both brings him and solves his problems.

>or versions where he used fire instead of the Hydra's own poison to slay it
Theres versions where he didnt use fire?

>>35718639
>The connecting set of concepts, traits or ideas that separate a given character from being a different character.
Well I've got some bad news for you because myths are not consistent at all and characters are completely different depending on the portrayal and story. It sounds like you need to come up with your own set of "true anon-approved myths".

>It does however mean that they both read the work of fag #3 who came up with zeus in the first place, or some other fag who read his work and wrote about it.
Not really. It could have just all been oral.

>>35718850
>Well I've got some bad news for you because myths are not consistent at all and characters are completely different depending on the portrayal and story
In some ways, yes. In others, no. It is why they can still be considered the same character.

>It could have just all been oral.
Difference of no account.

>>35717998
like the other anon said you should read the plus disc first. It's only around 1-2 hours so it's not a long thing to read. You should read KT whenever you have a chance and follow a guide as the game is pretty obtuse. It's worth it though and as it has some great moments.

>>35714976
T-Touko-san!?

I sure hope remake Shiki still does rape threats at least.

>>35722017
probably not. Modern Nasu is too soft to do that anymore.

>Fukumoto reference

Can't say I was expecting that.

>>35723962
yeah, was pretty surprised to see that.

>>35723962
kek, what is this from?
I think there was a drawing of Archer in Fukumoto style in a character material book

>>35724083
from ReAct's story mode. Probably the G Akiha route.

I finished reading HA and now I feel very cool

>>35724522
Congratulations.
Be sure to beat the hanafuda campaign/castle Illya/clear out the Tohsaka shrine.

>>35724568
I beat the hanafuda tutorial mode but I'm gonna take a little break before going through all the characters
It's super duper fun though

>>35724668
don't burn yourself out with castle Illya since the minigame is pretty repetitive. If it gets too boring you can luck up the art that you unlock if you get all the items. I would keep going with hanafuda it's great and worth it.

>>35725302
>you can luck up the art that you unlock if you get all the items
But then how would he be able to live with himself?

the objective of the church is to kill mages but
why do they learn magic? or is the holy magic that they use sometimes not considered as magic and doesnt use magic circuit? with holy magic, i mean the one that kotomine kirei and amakusa shirou uses to kill vlad/zouken
why they sometimes cooperate with the mages? i suppose they can't go in an all out war with every mage of the world and i understand that sometimes a cooperation is neccesary in case of some weird mage doing weird shit so they try to cooperate and maintain a ''normal'' relationship, but why do they even interact with the holy grail? in fact, they should be completely against this idea, the holy grail is one of the most iconic artifact of the catholicism, theres literally no way they would let the filthy mages touch something as precious as that

also, what happens with mages that the main sucessor dies and they can't recover the magic crest like in keyneth cases, do they have to start from 0? do they made some copies just in case? because even if reines is inferior to her brother, shes still relatively strong as a mage, she even have a mystic eye, of course, is not like mystics eyes are super uncommon, theres tons of them just as i was able to see in the train scene of melloi's anime, but still, the magic crest is like the whole life of all the generations of the family, losing something like that, its basically losing all your power and your investigation, so they did have something for reines prepared but wasnt as strong as the one keyneth got or what? it would be nice if someone clarifies this for me

>>35725326
I believe that the holy magic or sacrament is based on the faith that the user has towards the lord and can only be learned by those in the church that have devoted themselves to the cause. I'm not too sure about that, but I know that Kirei talks about Sacrament magic and that your faith is important with it. The Church hates vampires and evil mages that break the law and attack the innocent so them cooperating with Enforcers and free lance mages to take out heretics is reasonable. They probably deem them as false grails and don't believe that they are the original ones. They mediate the war and would want to take out those that are branded as heretics like Caster's Master in Zero that killed innocent people. Not too sure, but don't they recover a little bit of Kayneth's circuits? Or just his mystic code? Either way not too sure on the last subject, hope someone here can explain this stuff better than I can.

>>35725434
in the case of keyneth, they werent able to recover the crest, no idea about the mystic code, but melloi case, said that the crest was impossible to recover, which is one of the reasons why they needed waver as a backup lord

>>35725473
isn't the mystic code the same one that Kayneth uses that Reines now has? I imagine the family has a copy of it they passed down to her or she made it based on the blueprints that Kayneth had, but made her own version of it with Trimmu.

In the second case files book it's said that about 10% of Keyneth's crest could be recovered.

Rare fanart.
This new artist that popped up is doing God's work.

>>35725548
yeah, I remember them saying that in the show somewhere.

>>35725570
They really seem to like gay selfcest but at least the art’s good

https://twitter.com/tm_tsukihime/status/1416324592004583424?s=21
New stream in 2 days

>>35723962

>>35694221
I came on my statue of nero

>>35727233
So did he actually marry her?

Her keep reminds me of soul reaver and aruceid being as arrogant as DUMA winding up like a stuck pig.

https://twitter.com/jastusa/status/1415840757886328832

found something better to wait for than expect nasu to stop being a hack

>>35728433
decent visual novel that has been hyped for years by pretentious yomichan speakers like it is the second coming of christ. nothing worthy to see here.

>>35726894
Nice, can't wait.

>>35728487
>decent visual novel
>nothing worthy to see here

you say it like decent visual novels get released every day, unless you're some moebuta of course

>>35726894
30 minutes just for Tsukihime is a first.
Pretty hype.

>>35727233
This is amazing. I assume it’s from the melty blood manga?

>>35726894
What else do they have to show about Tsukihime? Maybe some more charcter voices being revealed like Noel. I guess another trailer or the final one will be shown here. I thought they’d mainly talk about Melty Blood from now on, but that seems to be doing it’s own thing.

>>35731166
There’s still some preorder goods/merch they haven’t revealed yet, along with the digital preorders. I’m hoping that they’ll show of one of the villains but that’s probably just wishful thinking since they want to keep them as mysterious as they possibly can.

Just noticed the pre-battle dialogue doesn't have mouths animated. Hope it's just the trailer. Even Re-Act had it.

this is your Albion btw

>>35731257
Yeah forgot about the pre-order stuff and thought they revealed all of it already. I would be happy to see a villian or someone unexpected/new, but it’s best to not get too excited for it.b

>>35731819
Looks like shit.

>>35731819
Looks great

Pretty disappointed with Melty Blood's "story", it feels like it's just an excuse to have characters fight with some DAA lore slapped on top. Arcueid once again (like in Kagetsu Tohya) barely gets any screentime compared to the other heroines. The visual presentation is also basically non-existent, there are no CGs and (outside one instance in the intro) no full body sprites either. Didn't seem like there was much purpose to splitting it into routes other than making it even more tedious to complete compounded on the lack of scene skip. Sion deserves better, hope she gets some good content in the new MB.

>>35732667
>it feels like it's just an excuse to have characters fight with some DAA lore slapped on top
I mean yeah kinda. It's a fighting game not sure what else you expected. That said, what's wrong with the main story about Sion and Wallachia? It's perfectly fine for what it is.

>>35732667
Huh, that’s the complete opposite thoughts from me. The main storyline with Sion in ReAct is great and the new added lore that the game brings is interesting with the Atlas institute and the concept of Warachia is genius for a fighting game. I’m just surprised how inventive some of the story sections are with Sion’s thought process being conveyed in the story mode. It isn’t perfect, but this storyline coming from a fighting game is amazing. And Sion is a great charcter in the game so don’t know what you’re talking about. Maybe you’d like the manga adaptation of the story more?

>>35731166
new pv+they'll pull a melty and announce the pc version.

>>35732861
>announce the pc version.
anon, I...

>>35732667
>Didn't seem like there was much purpose to splitting it into routes
But the routes are so varied?
>Sion deserves better
She's the best part of the game. Have you even got the true end?

>>35732861
Honestly wouldn't be surprised if they announce it, but it's probably too late to do that. Even JP fans have been vocal about wanting a PC version so I'll inhale my copium and wish for that too.

>>35732949
>wouldn't be surprised
It would be a huge surprise considering they outright said it wouldn't recieve a PC release, and that they made that decision years ago.

>>35732978
yeah that's true. I guess I'm saying that since Melty made a Steam version recently and using that to make me think they may do that here. I have to remind myself that FB is different from how stubborn TM is and there probably won't be a PC release.

>>35732998
even what FB did with melty blood doesn't make sense, assuming they always had the pc version in mind, what was the need to delay the announcement of the pc version?

>>35733043
who knows? They did the same thing with Uni so probably just to get people talking about it and get good will for it? It was a pretty dumb thing to in hindsight.

>>35733043
Iirc a few months ago Raito said that maybe they'll consider a PC release if there's enough demand during one of his livestreams, so it might have been a recent decision.
In fact, the lack of a physical PC release makes that seem pretty likely.

>>35707526
They scrapped a lot of cool ideas.

>>35733239
I wish they had done an animated henshin sequence for Rin.

>>35732700
Wallachia's "turn into anyone" ability just seemed like a gimmick to faciliate gameplay fights vs various characters and made him a non-character by design, the last second attempt at creating some sympathy for him didn't really work for me (as with similar cases like Zouken).

>>35732843
>Maybe you’d like the manga adaptation of the story more?
Probably since Im guessing it sidesteps the multiple disjointed routes and just merges all the relevant stuff into one and actually has visuals. I'm curious how it got 9 volumes out of so little content. Gonna read it soon.

>>35732948
>But the routes are so varied?
There are literally two routes ending with Shiki fighting Vampire Sion, and the routes with not-Nero Chaos and not-Akiha might as well not exist, and one is comedy.

>>35733289
Sure it's a gimmick but it's not an unusual thing in terms of magic or even just vampires (the original Dracula could change into a wolf or some shit I think).

>creating some sympathy for him didn't really work for me (as with similar cases like Zouken)
I have no clue what you mean in either case. As for Zouken, I felt some pity for him (muh soul aids induced dementia) but certainly not sympathy. I don't think sympathy was ever intended for him or Wallachia.

>>35733289
yeah, like the other anon said, I don't believe Nasu was looking for sympathy. He just showed how Zepia lost his mind over trying to find a formula to save the world only for his conclusion being despair and wanting to keep living instead. There is a small about of it when Zepia and Sion talk for real for the first time, but he's someone that should disappear from the world and his sins are too high for Sion to want to save him. His only end is in his death and for the night of wallachia to never happen again. I don't feel you've given much credit to Sion's character or the story mode since it is from a small company in the early 2000's creating a story mode that easily beats other fighting game's story modes. Hope you enjoy the manga more at least.

I have a feeling JAST will announce a TM related localization in October, either Fate or the Tsukihime remake.

Why was Gil around Sakura at the start of f/sn? Did he know she was a lesser grail the whole time?

>>35733553
my wish for them to release TsukiR on PC is wishful thinking, but NOW this is peak delusion.

>>35733582
If I end up being right you're gonna publicly apologize.

>>35733562
Q: Prior to the start of the Holy Grail War, what was Gilgamesh doing around Sakura’s house? Sakura said he was asking directions, did he come to identify “the other Grail” - Sakura?
A: Yes. He came to tell Sakura to “Go die right now”. It was a suggestion rather than a command. Regardless of the situation, from the King’s perspective, this matter will develop into some sort of entertainment. Thus, what Gilgamesh said was not a command. Sakura’s claim that "it was English" was a convenient excuse to hide the truth.

>>35733595
Thanks anon

>>35733588
I'll kneel to you on here, but come on, that will never happen.

I think the pc version is a given in a year or two after the release, whatever bullshit Nasu spouts. The official localization is yeah lol.

Cute art of Shiki and Arc. Art by @itsuka_neru

>>35733553
>Fate
why would they translate a 15 year old VN? They'll probably just remake it.

Noooo JAST can't announce the TL of the Tsukihime Remake, /ourguys/ Hollow Moon said they would be the ones translating it!!!
They even said it wouldn't take them 5 years this time!!

>>35733614
>They'll probably just remake it.
Considering realta nua already exists and how much nasu liked the hf movies the chances of this happening are negligible.

>>35733673
>They even said it wouldn't take them 5 years this time!!
Yeah, it'll take them 10.

>>35733696
B-But Illya's route!

>>35733673
what the fuck is this nonsense? We already know that mangagamer tried to get the license to FSN, but they said it was way too expense. Do you think JAST will be able to afford it?

>>35733673
You do realize JAST is one of the slowest translators, right? And do you really think Nasu's autism would allow for an official translation? This nigga is making a console exclusive VN in 2021.

For the JOP friends, I finished the Fate/Stay Night Ultimate Edition patch that uncensors the Realta Nua text and replaces it with the original 2004 F/SN text. I ended up making two versions of the patch: a "purist" version and a "conservative" version. Both are linked below. The installation is simple (it's also in the README). You just need to have the ultimate edition setup/installed and you replace the patch.xp3 and data.xp3 files with the new ones in the zip. Set the language to Japanese and it should be good to go.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/6to753fhqex4k4i/fate_stay_night_purist_text_patch.zip/file
https://www.mediafire.com/file/8iolrn1jccbpjj5/fate_stay_night_conservative_text_patch.zip/file

As you probably know, Nasu has the typical writer's autism so the changes he made to Realta Nua were by no means limited to strictly censoring things or toning down the language. Sometimes he just rewrote stuff just because. So with that in mind, I figured I'd just make two versions of the patch and not try to be some kind of JSL editor (well I sort of was anyway but whatever). The "purist" version is pretty merciless and basically swaps out any changed line in Realta Nua with the original 2004. The only things that were not touched were grammar/typo fixes (there's a few) and inconsequential changes to voiced lines. I personally thought matching the voiced line was more important in those cases. For example in the 2004 version of the prologue, Mitsuzuri at one point says something like "遠坂とあたし[. . .]". In Realta Nua, this line exactly the same except that the order is swapped to "あたしと遠坂". In this case, the voice line was left alone as the Realta Nua version since I would figure not matching actual voice would be silly for something so trivial. In basically all other cases, the lines were swapped to the 2004 text.

The other version of this patch is the so-called "conservative" version. I'm not sure if anyone even really wants this, but I basically played editor a little bit and only kept the changed lines that were clearly related to censorship. So for another example, Realta Nua retcons the time between grail wars from 60 years to 50 years. In Kotomine's dialogue, the "五十" is kept alone in the conservative version of the patch since it's obviously not a censorship thing: just a random Nasu change. In the purist version, the line is changed to "六十" like in the original.

Obviously, I didn't do any super thorough QA (F/SN is long), but I ctrl'd through a few scenes and everything worked as expected. I enabled the h patched and ctrl'd through the threeway in the forest without any crashes so that should be fine. In theory, this would actually work without you enabling the h scene patch (didn't test of course) although I'm not sure why you do that since other scenes make reference to sex and stuff. The F/SN script is fucking massive so it's entirely possible I fucked up somewhere. Just complain here if you encounter a problem.

Sidenote: Not that anyone needs my permission, but if some beast lair dude wants to make these patches more elegant feel free. It would be nicer if they were new files you could just drop in and then select them in the menu (patch_lang_original_japanese.xp3 or something). I was too lazy to try to hack around however the ultimate edition patch system works so I just did a straight override. The patch.xp3 changes in particular are literally just deleting the extra .ks files that are in there. I am not sure those are actually needed for anything because the game appears to first attempt to read scenario files in patch.xp3 before trying to read from data.xp3 (which is where the good stuff in this patch is stored). Just deleting those extra .ks files fixed all my issues. It would be nice if that could be "upstreamed" so to speak.

Hey atleast they're translating Muramasa now

>>35733820
Interesting, thanks anon.

>>35733820
>So for another example, Realta Nua retcons the time between grail wars from 60 years to 50 years.
Huh, first time I hear about it.

>>35733820
good work anon. Thank you for doing this.

>>35731819
Sex

>>35733820
Thanks!

>>35731819
Looks cute and funny

>>35733820
I love you anon.
I wonder if the guys who made the patch would be willing to include this in their release.

>>35733858
I think most people have 60 years stuck in their head because that's likely the version they read first way back in the day (at least for that's how it is for me). I suppose Japanese people are more likely to have played Realta Nua first and think of 50 years.

Why did Kohaku have to expose her breasts when Akiha was drinking her blood? Couldn't she just drink from her neck?

It's acceptable to watch the fate anime instead of reading the VN, right?

>>35734990
Yes but only DEEN/stay night

>>35734990
Not only is it acceptable, it's actively encouraged here.

>>35734990
yes but only carnival phantasm

>>35735010
>>35735002
Nice
I always knew that /jp/ is more based than the losers on /a/

>>35731783
Can’t believe I didn’t notice this after watching that trailer so many times. It may be a bit too late to add that tho.

>>35734958
She’s gay for Akiha that’s why.

>>35734958
Tsukihime of all things apparently has a censored version where her tits aren’t shown

>>35735011

I totally forgot how fun these three are. I'm definitely hoping Nasu will give them all some more screen time in the remake.

>>35735465
One of Nasu's best things is fun group dynamics since most animay dynamics have the MC be a no personality faggot.

>>35735465
He spoke in the TM interview about wanting more scenes between the characters so I think Ciel's route will have more scenes between these two and Noel.

>>35735490
Yeah all of Nasu's VN MCs are fun in some way. When he's not being a schizo, Shiki is kind of a dick sometimes. Shirou has that seigi no mikata autism all the time and then Soujuurou has a case of mountain autism. It spices things up.

Cover for the Mahoyo doujin by @takai_isshiki

>>35735704
Making the cover after the pages, classic.

>>35735630
huh, the anime actually showed that? Surprising.

Should i read Tsukihime or wait for the remake

>>35736124
If you don't know Japanese, you can't read the remake because it will never be translated. If you do know Japanese, the remake will be very different from the original (according to the interviews) so you should read the doujin version anyway.

>>35736124
the remake and the original will be pretty different so you should read the original version.

>>35707026
Who the fuck is that ugly boy on the right?

>>35708327
>Him being both Japanese and fictional, breaking two rules Nasu put down for the HGW
What about EMIYA? Shirou is japanese too as far as I'm concerned.

>>35736221
Emiya blacked himself by using his magic too much so that doesn't count. Nasu agrees otherwise pic related wouldn't exist.

>>35736221
EMIYA also being an anomaly goes without saying, but his appearance hardly screams Japanese like Sasaki's does.
Sasaki is even defending a temple gate. He's tropey in a Japanese way like no one else in the cast.

Some like Arcueid's new design because her new appearance and modernized outfit reflects her childishly playful personality and that her old outfit needed a modernized update. Others on the other hand are not pleased with the changes, citing that Arcueid's new design makes her look like another typical Saberface that the Type-Moon fandom has grown sick of at this point and that it's a huge cry away from her original and unique character design from the original game. Apart from that, these same fans also absolutely hate the fact that Arc's wearing a mini-skirt instead of her signature long purple skirt in her redesign, saying that the "granny skirt" reflected how out of touch she was with the modern era's time and how the mini skirt completely ruins her looks.

>>35736340
>that the "granny skirt" reflected how out of touch she was with the modern era's time
Was this actually intentional on TM’s part or is it just something fags made up in their heads

>>35735630
GO ON

>>35736340
I already got used to her new look, doomposting no longer has a place in my heart.

>>35736441
Headcanon.

>>35736177
Anon you don't want to sexually assault senpai?

>>35736441
>>/jp/thread/10374960

New art of Vermillion Akiha.

Probably a silly question but i don't need to watch Prisma Illya to get the "most" out of Fate right
I know stuff like Apocrypha and the PSP/Musou games aren't canon but Illya looks like it's on a whole different level and pretty much just cunny pandering

>>35736899
And i guess "not canon" isn't the right word, it's just that it's all an AU

>>35736845
headcanon it is

>>35736896
Uh why isn't her hair all red?

>>35736924
guess it's just a tease for the full thing.

>>35736946
I better not be tricked here. Vermilion Akiha gave me a massive boner in Melty Blood. God she was so hot.

>>35736896
It's just described as Tohno Akiha on the tokuten page.
I'm pretty sure there's only going to be one Akiha. Maybe we'll get vermillion DLC after far side.

>>35737010
yeah, my bad. I should've just said new art of Akiha for pre-order stuff but my Vermillion boner got the best of me. Doubt VAkiha will be in the game so soon with such a small roster.

>>35735626
Aoko is way more autistic than Soujuurou, honestly.

Speaking of Akiha, if she isn't a streamer in the remake I'll be disappointed.

>>35736899
It’s the one(?) TypeMoon work Nasu essentially has no role with it

>>35736899
There's nothing wrong with Prisma Illya. Sure, you're supposed to fap to the cups (come on don't tell me you don't anyway), but the story is solid. As far as fate spinoffs go, it's easily one of the better ones if you ask me.

>>35736899
Prisma is worth reading/watching, but it's especially important for santa's doujinshi.

>>35737100
I guess being tsundere really is simply just a special form of autism if you think about it.

>>35736899
If anything you need to read FSN & FHA to get the most out of Prisma Illya.

>>35733820
Thank you so much, anon.

>>35737606
Damn, Einzbern women talk like that?

>>35737404
It's far more complicated than that.

>>35737806
Could you elaborate some? I'm not suggesting that Aoko is a shallow or bad character, but she definitely fits some pretty clearly defined roles in the medium (tough/battle girl + tsun + etc.). Soujuurou is more of a complete enigma. Normally in this kind of story he'd be "just a normal guy" except he's actually not a normal guy at all. It's not like he's blatantly mentally ill like say Shirou was, but you can tell a lot of times during the game that the dude is just off. Honestly, he might be the most bizarre character Nasu has ever wrote. I love the dude.

>>35737606
what's her problem

>>35736777
>sexually assault senpai
Is that you, Sakura?

>>35737994
Aoko is the most complex TM character outside of maybe Ryougi, she is the MC and her story is very long and deep.
Soujuurou is an attachment of her story, that is how it is.
Of course, with only part of the whole done, it is hard to see how I'm right.
Most Mahoyo characters are less figured out that Soujuurou.

>tfw too stupid to torrent fate
I hate being a retard :<

>>35718115
>>35720304

Thank you guys, as soon as I come back from my trip I'm on it

Are there actually no clean scans of Tsuki manga? I thought the scanlators fucked up but the raws I found were the same. Has no one actually ripped them from amazon or something?

https://youtu.be/okOLtitB1z4

>>35742589
>20 hours
I can't wait.