/jp/ - Otaku Culture

How the heck did the old thread die?

What are some Christian VN?
Not just VN which feature a "priest", but with deeper Christianity.

>>35679765
I havent been here since January, how was the last vol of kara no shoujo? did it deliver or not?

Where do you guys get your un TL'd VNs if you can't find it on nyaa?

>>35680307
It's alright if you wanted a conclusion for every single character. Production values were great, as expected of IG.
Story is arguably a bit weak, and the latter parts feel kind of rushed with relationship development which gets completely glossed over and some plot stuff relying on complete coincidence. They really toned down the ero as well.

>>35680224
淫奉の聖女

>>35680224
TenshiHane, kind of? The entire game world revolves around stuff that's lifting from Christian mythology and God existing is treated as common knowledge, but it doesn't really go into depth of Christian themes or anything like that.

>>35680224
Eustia is essentially just a biblical tale.

>>35680224
Why would you go to eroge for Christian themes? Don't really have anything against Christianity but it doesn't seem that popular in japan, and you're definitely not going to get it out of eroge. You're better off reading some Dostoevsky.

>>35680026
Sorry about that friends. I was trying to kill off a Touhou thread a Vtuber thread but unfortunately your thread wouldn't bump and I ended up killing it a second later.

Again apologies.

We are not at War with Eroge but the Eternal 2hu and in this beautiful new /jp/ we are making you will be a part of it.

If it makes you feel better my thread was deleted. I will treat this as karma and reflect upon my actions.

>>35675085
First, you don't need to do analyses of any kind to point out themes.
Second, if it's 50 hours of trash for you, then why even read it, lol?

>>35680818
>but it doesn't seem that popular in japan
They are enamored with Christianity at surface level tho. That's why you see Christian references everywhere in Japanese stuff, and meme religions clearly based on Christianity in their fiction. They even celebrate christmas despite not being Christians(I know christmas means something different for them but still this shows their surface-level infatuation with Christianity).

>>35681074
This was partly me venting. I liked the setting and atmosphere in the common route but I don’t like this bullshit sentimentality. I was enjoying it for a time, but it started to get irritating once I hit the routes. I also don’t know what theme is being explored by repeating the exact same words and phrases again and again. I feel like I can’t really trust the writer to deliver on anything if he doesn’t have the writing chops for the story he’s telling. And you really need trust in a writer if you’re going to commit for such a long ride.

>>35681240
Your standards need to be in the gutter to be an erogefag to begin with. Do you just read cream of the crop or what? Sakura moya is very good for a VN even though it will look extremely bad if you're a newfag. That's why newfags who aren't accustomed to bullshit of this medium shouldn't be allowed here.

>>35681240
>I also don’t know what theme is being explored by repeating the exact same words and phrases again and again
Just his attempt into kind of fairy-tale book prose making his text worse and pacing slower.
> . And you really need trust in a writer if you’re going to commit for such a long ride.
Read chiwa route and decide if you want to commit more of you time or not, this is easy.
I did enjoy every hour of sakura moyu, but not 10/10 because of writing style.
But for the rest of it (second half of hiyori route excluding lol) sakura moyu was worth it.

>>35680224
堕落ロイヤル聖処女

>>35681282
Why wouldn’t I read the cream of the crop? Why would I go out of my way to read bad VNs?
>>35681285
I guess I will finish Chiwa route and see where I stand, I imagine there must be something to it since it gets so high reviews

>>35680818
No Asian country is as obsessed with christcuckery as Japan lmao

>>35681344
> I guess I will finish Chiwa route and see where I stand, I imagine there must be something to it since it gets so high reviews
For me it's emotional moments, setting and unironically plot. Not even bringing up art and ost.

Btw, is it only me, or sumaga really gives some FLCL vibes, lol?

>>35681408
No flcl vibes without that animation and music

>>35681237
>>35681384
There's pretty much no interest in Christianity as a religious or social function in Japan.
References to Christianity in media are usually little more than pop culture tropes (nun cosplay) or mythological lore for fiction writing, not so different than Greek gods.

Christmas is almost completely for commercial and entertainment purposes rather than religious holiday.
Halloween too was pretty much unknown to regular Japanese people before 2010. Now it's an excuse for yankee zoomers to dress up and get drunk in Shibuya.

By contrast, almost a third of South Korea's population identify as Christian. They come with similar orthodox views and conservative politics as in the west.

>>35682281
>happy jesus day is for going on dates and eating fried chicken
If anything, I envy the japs for just ripping anything they find interesting from other cultures or mythologies out of context and use them as they see fit.

>>35682425
I prefer the interpretation that happy jesus day is for having sex out of wedlock.

>>35679765
We need more imouto eroge like this

>>35682281
>They come with similar orthodox views and conservative politics as in the west.
You can find secular version of them in Japan too.

https://harukaze-soft.com/monkeys/
Harukaze actually managed to get KiriHana back to eroge, voicing a trap MC.
Wonder if he'll be voiced during h-scenes.

>>35683450
Meh, it's basically the same as doing an all-ages role
Unless the MC gets raped anally

>>35683522
ah, luna-sama

>>35683522
>the MC gets raped anally
Feels like something Harukaze would do.
This sample CG already has more focus on the MC getting fondled than the girl.

>>35683725
Is he pregnant or what the fuck is up with that anatomy?

>>35682937
Japan's nationalistic right wing are usually deeper into traditional Shinto ritual than the average citizen, but I guess these days it is comparatively more secular than Christian prayer and the belief in a personal connection with god.

There's not really any central authority to worship in Shinto though so sometimes they default to the Emperor's supposed divine lineage like in pre-WWII State Shinto days.
Needless to say, this schizo larp behavior pretty much happens in all religions because the existence of a greater power quells their fear of the unknown. Politicians of course then use this to their advantage in their quest for power.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/shinto/history/nationalism_1.shtml

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LxrzgjWDew
Banger.

>>35684631
>In life, unlike chess, the game continues after checkmate
My mind is already blown holy shit

>they see your ____

>>35684656
No need to be a faggot.

>>35684727
chad gap year home-stay roommate

>>35681332
That looks hot.

http://www.astronauts.co.jp/sirius/demoncastlerebuild/overview.html

!!! Recruiting Volunteers to Help Make a VN with a Black Protagonist !!!
https://forums.fuwanovel.net/topic/24249-recruiting-volunteers-to-help-make-a-vn-with-a-black-protagonist-urgently-want-to-solve-the-lack-of-a-vn-like-this-asap-i-want-news-out-of-such-a-game-being-developed-within-3-months-from-now/

EVN trash belongs to /vg/ or /v/ or whatever that isn't /jp/

If the protagonist isn't a proud 日本人 that fights for the 名誉 of the 帝国, I drop it.

>>35686258
I greatly enjoyed hatsumira. Any more like it?

>>35686774
Senmomo

Anyone know how to crack DMM games? I downloaded this game, but it's just a straight copy of the DMM version which means it still has the drm instact.

>>35684631
Wish this wasn't written by Watanabe. It looks cool but my hype is less than zero

>>35686050
Dissapointed isnt Thomas G.
Anyways he probably just need to get some DAZ models and presto.

>>35686050
Didn't expect Clephas to be such a sjw. By his logic you have to be a woman to write a female protagonist

Is this real in Japan, a floating tray of sake when you relax in the rotenburo?

I see it in VNs,but never seen it in real life, although I can only see onsens on youtube.

>>35690742
Even in the west there are weird people who eat or drink in the bath. Doesn't mean it's a common cultural practice though.

>>35684631
I hope this is good.

>>35682281
They're not frequent,but they're definitely around.

>>35684631
I still haven't read the previous ones in the series, but this really caught my attention.

>>35690742
More real that big tiddies.

>>35686258
>Fight and die for your country as a military pawn
>Your family's social status is raised for 15 minutes during your funeral
>Your widowed wife remarries her fuckbuddy from the time you were deployed and raises their children with your insurance payout

>>35691486
But the protagonist has plot armor so he lives and also slays all the pussy.

>>35691463
I want this, but in Takaragawa,not wherever this is.

So I just re-downloaded Gun Katana,and got to the blood eleven fight. I could've sworn the first time I played it that he used a scythe to fight you,but this time all I saw was hands, 2 chainsaw arms,and his hands again. Did I screw up, or was the scythe in another different route?

>>35691289
>I still haven't read the previous ones in the series
You don't really need to.

The way she teases her is so cute, I wasn't really a yurifag but I am now.

>>35690742
not for poorfags

>>35691463
Protagonist's abs are the fakest things in erogames.

Now that's a misunderstanding.

Isn't this exactly the plot of golden time?

>>35696100
Oh no

What is this error telling me?

>>35690742
I love Sky House's flappy nipples.

>>35696100
So basically this is Golden Time except the girl is the schizo instead of TADA BANRI?

>>35679765
Source?

>>35699043
Jesus nigger, don't be so helpless. Look it up yourself. At least two ways are available to you with the info you have.

>>35696100
>>35698744
You're making it sound actually good. I have a thing for slutty schizo bitches...

>>35699140
There's 26 characters named 卯月. Not that she's particularly hard to find among them.

>>35699280
there's an image search option if you click the triangle next to the post number.

>>35699436
I wouldn't have thought saucenao was able to find random VN screenshots but I stand corrected. 100% success rate with my own screenshots, as long as it's a CG, what a time to be alive.

>>35699043
I don't think Jesus was a nigger, but okay. Found it.

>>35700004
except he was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH_lYc9HzpU

>>35702182
Wrong tab?

>>35702182
クソゲー確定

>>35702182
>it's real
>after all this time

>>35702182
I don't feel so good bros...

>wingman character tries to do something perverted but gets caught
>"haha classic Sunohara type, japan does it again! how do they keep it so fresh?"
>he gets punished by girl and told to... pluck his own shin hairs
>he does that and goes "wow MC check out how smooth my legs are"
>MC proceeds to feel him up "wow you're right, let me try"
>they both pluck their own shin hairs and feel each other up

Is this some obscure japanese humor I'm still too EOP to understand? I feel really dirty.
Anime didn't prepare me for this, I think I finally know what culture shock is.

>>35702378
>>35702411
>>35702511
>>>/vg/

always wondered what's the context behind that CG

>>35702527
You sure this isn't BL?

It's probably translated by moogy.

Damn, I guess it's time to finally read Muramasa. I want to be able to at least say I read it before subhuman EOPs could.

>>35702527
I will now play your game.

>>35702566
I picked it up for the cowtits yet the first H-scene in the game was with a loli that I didn't even know about, so I wouldn't be surprised at this point if there's some "joke" homo route.

>>35702527
Ok, that does sound pretty funny.

>>35702622
I was planning to read it soonish (like within the next 2-3 months) since it's coming up near the top of my backlog. Oh well, I guess EOPs will get to it first. There's no way I'll get to it by August. At least, I'll own the game first I guess.

>>35698744
basically yeah?
there's even a battle in her mind(?) for MC's love between her past and present selves (it's all just a dream though)

>>35704186
wtf happened to Smee

>>35704242
Probably they read reviews from people who dont like Smee games in the first place.

>>35704242
I don't know. This route has had by far the darkest, longest, and most serious drama I've ever seen from a smee game. Like, it's not actually that big of a deal, it's fairly standard moege fare and I wouldn't even blink at seeing in a lump of sugar game, but the fact that there's any drama at all is astonishing.

>>35704186
>>35704567
Isn't one of the scenario writers the same guy that wrote Missing-X-Link?
I think that game had a pretty decent plot.
I guess I will check HajiLove if it's anything like it.

>>35704883
Is Missing-X-Link as good as Sorceress Alive?

>>35704186
Nevermind, it was just their daughter from the future magically travelling back in time into their minds pretending to be her mom's past self.

Is something happening to /jp/? We were just about to fall off of page 10 after only a couple hours, normally it takes days.

>>35707487
Holonogs.

>>35707517
Isn't there an entire board for them?

>>35707487
Vtuber haters false flagging trying to push the threads off.

>>35707487
there's a holotranny trying to make /djt/ into another holo thread. he spam bumps threads when the real djt has hit bump limit so it rapidly gets archived and he can make a fake /djt/ thread that just has a picture of a holotranny + holotranny video, nothing to do with learning japanese. this thread got caught in the crossfire.

>>35707487
>>35707517
>>35707525
>>35707546
>>35707660
>>>/qa/

>>35702182
Based. I can drop learning Jap now. Bye, guys...
You were my true friends for a while...

>>35702182
Hahaha learning Japanese rendered useless

>>35705412
>Is Missing-X-Link as good as Sorceress Alive?
I actually haven't played Sorceress Alive.
I went in completely blind into Mishikuro after looking for games with the Robot Heroine tag and peeking at the CGs.
I didn't know what to expect, but I ended up liking it quite a bit for its somewhat dark themes for a moege.
The uncle character was pretty based, but there were some bits about a character being able to see the future that were honestly pretty stupid.
Oh, and the Taishi insert song is a banger.

I'm thinking of dropping muramasa's score from 9 to 7 or 6. It's really nothing special when I think about it again. I was just a little kid easily impressed by anything when I read it. What about you fags? There's no need to pretend muramasa is a kamige now that EOPs get to read it too.

>>35711342
I know that you're baiting and all but I genuinely never understood why anyone thought it was some sort of deep meaningful message on morality.

>>35711342
I initially rated it 7. I recently changed it to 6.

>>35711436
You need to understand that most people who read VNs are normal people in terms of their intellect and education.

>>35711455
>You need to understand that most people who read VNs are normal people in terms of their intellect and education.
Are you missing a "not" before normal? Because I would think that a normal education would cover basically everything it talks about.

>>35711470
Not that guy, but maybe he wanted to say that "normal" average humans aren't very smart.

>>35711436
I thought muramasa's philosophy was conceptually weak. You can also easily poke holes in it and derive unintended propositions from its basic premises and reasoning logic.

I don't understand the hype around Muramasa. If I'd read some Nitroplus robo thingy, I'd prefer Demonbane. (which is on my backlog anyways) What I heard about Muramasa sounds like nothing special. (especially in regards to battles, but also the weird quotes people sometimes do here)

Nothing to do with the translation mind you. That's not going to change, that it's not on my backlog. And mind you, I'm not trying to be all kinds of special. I have Dies Irae on my backlog, Scaji stuff, oretsuba... heck even Grisaia. I don't avoid high profile games out of principle.

>>35711565
>Scaji stuff, oretsuba
These are pure garbage.

>>35711552
>>35711495
I started Muramasa this morning, and I'll admit I'm not very far in, but is the message really bad people do bad things but don't have bad things happen to them in return and that's pretty unfair when you think about it, or is it more complicated than that?

>>35711583
At least complete chapter 1 and you'll understand.

>>35711583
It's literally just "killing bad. Your justifications don't matter. No one is neither good nor evil. So you're killing their good too by killing them "

>>35711621
*No one is either pure good or evil

>>35711594
Honestly, I'm not sure if I want to continue. 20 minutes of describing how incredibly cool it is that the two dude are staring at each other not moving at all just isn't my kinda thing, or the fact that every single time somebody talked about the white robot they had a different chuuni nickname for it to the point I think there were almost 10 in a row. I don't want to insult it too harshly, I can see how someone might think that's cool, it's just not really my thing, I'd rather read moege. I guess I'll give it another chapter or two before dropping it - how many chapters is it in total?

https://twitter.com/jastusa/status/1415851796061294593
>You'll get to enjoy a perfectly complete Muramasa experience even the Japanese audience couldn't enjoy.
JOP bros...What did they mean by this?

>>35711637
Badly redrawn porn scenes.

>>35711633
It's pacing is profoundly fucked up. Some fights just go on for hours altogether when characters barely make any moves.

>>35711653
I mean, not even five minutes in author basically goes
>The peasants watching the fight all thought the fact that they were just standing around staring at each other was super lame and boring.
>This is because the peasants were fucking stupid and didn't know ANYTHING about real swordfighting, which is super cool, and I'm going to describe just how cool it is that they're not doing anything for the next 10 minutes straight.
It's clearly something the author thinks is really, really cool. I don't want to say it's bad just because it doesn't appeal to me, but it's not landing for me at all.

>>35711637
they're teaching them japanese ingame

>>35711665
That's chuunige for you

>>35711665
You need to think like a 10 year old to enjoy chuunige.

OK, chapter 1 is a tone change I wasn't expecting.

>>35711583
>I’m not very far in
nigger you’re like 5 minutes in and you’re already trying to act like some hipster whose totally above Muramasa

>>35712843
>it get's better guys, I swear!

>>35711637
Would be kino if they the changed the entire script to a Muramasa the Movie version.

>>35712954
i’m just sick of the tards in these threads who think they are special and original for not liking highly acclaimed VNs that they read from feeding lines through a texthooker and then going “Yep, haha, I think this is shit! :^)” yours was an egregious example since you read the equivalent of like 1% of it.

>I am special because I like popular trash
Not him but you sound like an NPC

>>35713156
nah senpai I only read bad VNs so I can dab on the cartel trannies

>>35713156
Thinking you're not NPC is act of being NPC because world is full of people who think they're not NPC. NPC meme is most dumbest /0 shit you zoomers ever made.

Yeah yeah you faggots told me kanishino was kino because muh nips rated it high and some faggot on twitter likes it. Really turned out to be a unique kamige with quality writing.

>>35713180
>N-No you
Lmao pathetic. I bet your top VNs will just be a copy of moogy's favorites.

>>35713245
>oretsuba is the best thing VNs can offer bros. Trust me.
>shitty sex jokes with shallow girls who don't develop beyond basic templates and """routes"""

>>35713109
You need to go back before you stir up another chimp out.

>>35713180
>Thinking you're not NPC is act of being NPC because world is full of people who think they're not NPC
Same energy as 馬鹿って言う方が馬鹿

>>35713261
>N-No you
I'm literally explaining your simplistic concepts using logic, my little friend. I have no idea why you're bringing moogy here. Moogy's favorites consist of same acclaimed and well known by Japanese community vns. Similar to "critically acclaimed" art, books, movies. At this point you're better start denying oxygen and food with water. And 4chan.

>>35713390
>bro my taste is really good. All circlejerk VNs are in my top 10. I mean all of them. Trust me I have perfect taste.

>>35713441
What’s your favorite VN

>>35713390
Something needs to be said about how everyone likes same kamige in JOP community. Yeah, sure they are popular and well-known but that doesn't mean you have to like all of them in the exact same way. Similar to how there are certain well-known anime but if you check 3x3s of people who actually watch anime they have different favorites.

>>35713441
It's really shocking how good things are liked worldwide. Good = circlejerk. Good art, good media is good because of circlejerk.

>>35713512
Because there isn't much of good shit in this garbage medium so everyone's favorites converge on a couple of "circlejerk VNs". Other than those 10 or 15 kamige you only have moege or nukige.

>>35713487
Steins;Gate

>>35713543
>garbage medium
>that NPC faggot is also ironic erogefag who only played circlejerk shit
Lmao everything's coming together

>>35713512
>Yeah, sure they are popular and well-known but that doesn't mean you have to like all of them in the exact same way
Of course. Not everyone like high brow lit and even acclaimed things have critics. It's kind make them interesting, create discussion. But I'm not sure if eroge is very diverse genre. That's why you have same popular games in the lists.

>>35713512
Anime used to have this herd mentality problem where everyone just jerked off over a couple of muh deep shit. But as the community increased these type of people were publicly shamed. Western eroge circlejerk is pretty small.

>>35713581
It is possible to enjoy moege, nukige and understand the difference between popular "circlejerk" games. And why they're popular. Hell you should able to do that as adult person. Like understanding the difference between non-fiction, literary-fiction, genre fiction. Enjoying fantasy and enjoying high brow classics. And not being surprised because Conan is not in the pulitzer prize list because of evil circlejerk cartels.

ANYWAY

This scene was unexpected but pretty hot. So far I don't get why the game is trying to sell Haru as the "canon" route, Yurika is the only one with any kind of chemistry at all.

>>35713675
>he cares about ((((awards)))) too
>for him good= popularity

>>35713670
It's more about newfriends discovering genre. Mature anime watcher just watching rec lists and denying anything new even if it will be part of rec lists in the future. And he keeps shitposting about rec list anime in all threads. Plus it's always /tv/ or /v/ tourist.

>>35713675
>high brow classics
Lmao the kind of NPC language you're using

>>35713670
yeah, now people add things they don't like to 3x3s to please e-celebs

>>35713732
>for him good= popularity
I think you should stop this greentext reductionism. Especially for someone who obsessed about cartels.

>>35713758
Lmao is NPC language too. Nothing to be ashamed of.

>>35713685
Is this one of those UI where the frame stays even if you set transparency to 0%?

>>35713685
Me on the left

Here’s your high brow classic.

i was wondering when the schizo was going to start malding over sca-ji, it's practically a given at this point

>>35713886
I'll show you real high brow kamige
>girl trips on you and goes kyaa while slapping you
>you walk in on her while she's changing her clothes
>some dude lifts up her skirt
>panties exposed
>sex jokes everywhere
>you fall on her this time
>panties panties panties
>another lucky sukebe moment
>she's angry cause you said something perverted but she doesn't say anything to other characters who constantly make sex jokes and harass her

>>35713675
Nigga these VNs are just from top ranked EGS shit. They aren't acclaimed by some authority figures in ivory towers. It's like saying top anime of MAL are high brow or some cringe like that.

>>35714021
>Nigga these VNs are just from top ranked EGS shit.
Good stuff is probably on the bottom of the list.

>>35714021
He probably doesn't know that "high brow" isn't related to content.

Here’s my top 10. Rate my taste.
>muramasa
>musicus
>oretsuba
>saihate no ima
>cross channel
>baldr sky
>dies irae
>sakuuta
>subahibi
>rance 10

he's melting

>>35714075
That's not the point, idiot.

>>35714146
Good. Now tell my why do you like saihate no ima.

>>35714181
>missing the point
idiot, water is not wet

>>35714189
It is, perhaps, very deep and insightful about human condition. It probably changed my life too. It reinforces my misconceptions too.

>>35714246
Yes Ironic posting is very original.

>>35714189
How can you not like wikipedia?

>>35714146
>>35714246
Woah.. I think I'm gonna read it?

Does it also speak about how deep and flawed human perspective is? And how nothing at all (even this philosophy LOL) can be trusted?

I am reading the Little Prince right now. A masterpiece I enjoyed very much references it extensively. Now I hope to see how profound exactly are the references and if it's above mere surface-level quoting and namedropping.

Anyone here read the Little Prince?

I can write a whole book about why I hate saihate no ima. Nearly all topics it covers are basically what I have been thinking and studying my whole life. It's easy to criticize it on storytelling basis but I haven't seen many who actually criticized Romeo's ideology presented in ima.

>>35714453
Do it, bro. Become the next george henry shaft.

>>35714453
Can you explain briefly why it's wrong?
I'll probably pick it up just to see why it's bad.

>>35714453
could you give me a small example? i'd be curious to hear your thoughts.

>>35714453
What's his ideology? Only read CC, but isn't it basically hedgehog dilemma + boobs

>>35714146
I'm glad you had fun with those. They're not my favorites, but I greatly enjoyed my time with them.
I do hope you manage to go deeper and find the small snippets of brilliance that lie beyond those works, however. Even Baldr Sky Zero and Rance 9 are worth playing, so give them a try!

>>35714539
>hedgehog dilemma + boobs
woah! we're reaching 素晴らしき日々 levels of depth here!

It baffles my mind to think that someone has the intelligence to learn JP but still considers Subarashiki Hibi to be anything but pretentious garbage.

>>35714246
>deep and insightful about human condition
Bro did you read Suba Hibi? I literally separate my life into post and pre- Suba Hibi periods.

>>35714528
>>35714538
I am really perplexed at how such a good concept could have turned out so boring here. Despite seeming like an amazing creation in retrospect, Saihate no Ima is simply a pain to read through. First you are forced to endure countless painfully inconsequential and boring slice of life situations with characters you barely know and most likely don’t even want to know. Most of the scenes, apart from a few flashbacks, are completely random and you could shuffle them between the routes and no one would even notice. This disjointed story-telling is deliberate and makes sense later, but it’s also very ineffective at making you actually care about the stuff on screen.

Once you complete all of the routes and are left completely clueless with what their ending was all about, you have to sit through all of them *again*, now with a few extra scenes here and there which instead of explaining things add even more mysteries to the whole thing. I usually love confusing, mentally stimulating works, but I felt Romeo was being deliberately obtuse at this point. You have to keep providing answers to keep readers invested in a mystery story, not just confuse them over and over again with nothing to grasp on.

Finally, after that ordeal you are put into a route which is almost completely unrelated to anything what happened beforehand and has a completely new cast. Then you are forced to read a million of wikipedia-like excerpts on a plethora of subjects, both scientific and fantastical to make sense out of wtf you are supposed to be reading. While I enjoy gathering knowledge, there is a time and a place for it, and reading long articles about Jung’s collective unconscious or gene splicing, crudely inserted in the middle of a fictional story, is certainly not it. Romeo could at least put some effort to digest his vast knowledge into character conversations or lead you to understand them through observing the setting, but alas, all you are given is an initially incomprehensible story and an encyclopedia to make sense out of it afterwards. That’s not how fiction works, you can have the best concept in the world, but you still have to tie it to a narrative somehow. The “show don’t tell thing”, you know.

Anyway, despite being extremely bored by its underwhelming characters, plot which is pretty much incomprehensible until you are given an encyclopedia, and needlessly cumbersome writing, I still find myself respecting this work in retrospect, if only for Romeo’s vast knowledge and imagination. Had he made an actually interesting story out of this fascinating concept of his, it might have even reached the heights of Subarashiki no Hibi’s mind-blowing brilliance. You might get the most enjoyment out of this work if you just skipped through all the routes and read the last one alone… that is, if you can see yourself enjoying reading wikipedia articles on scientific subjects. Still, despite its even superior complexity, I didn’t find Saihate no Ima as thought provoking or interesting as Romeo’s best work – Cross†Channel.

>>35714644
>Jung’s collective unconscious
Oh, it's one of "those" VNs...

>>35714605
I just can't understand how it's possible to give any other score than 10 if game is played to the end.

>>35714644
I thought you were going to explain what you disliked about Romeo's philosophy but you just complained about the storytelling method.

>35714593
You don't need to be smart to learn a language, that just makes the process faster.
Pretentious garbage with anime girls is fun. I don't understand what it is about this winning formula that makes you conspicuous, tasteless retards (with perhaps a hurt ego because understanding very simple philosophy represented through fiction is too much for you, apparently) seethe so hard.
I also don't know why you're here. Wouldn't this kind of post be better suited for a place where you'll actually get attention, like >>>/vg/?

>>35714722
oh nevermind, after googling it this is just some copypasta shitpost. my bad for taking a post on this thread seriously.

>>35714644
>>35714722
It's from Conjueror'

>>35714528
It's just doomer shit about how muh human nature is against us. I am pretty cynical myself but romeo's cynical arguments come off as really misinformed. It's okay if you're a misanthrope but stop using wrong historical evidence to back up your misanthropy(he changed some of his views here in jintai) . Romeo starts from human nature and works out from there up stream to talk about other larger social stuff. This is problematic on many levels, and not even gonna mention how his version of human nature is hobbesian and he uses Jordon Peterson's lobster tier arguments to showcase this too.
Read about the kind of books he recommends in his blog and you'll notice he is pretty dimwit tier in this regard. Imagine unironically recommending books like sapiens and guns, germs and steel and some other pinker's shit in 20 fucking 19.

>>35714975
Just cause you can writers kami prose doesn't mean you can write intellectual content.

>>35714975
How can you even know his true views? There's the writer letting characters speak, not necessarily his personal views, then there's ambiguity like the ending of CC where there are multiple interpretations

>>35714975
>guns, germs and steel
I love how that book is too offensive for some lefties now despite it originally being some retarded lefty revisionist view of history in the first place.

>>35713812
Only the name plate and sprite.

>>35715067
Ima is basically him writing essays and wikipedia articles. It's mostly jokes when it returns to characters. He relies on similar worldview throughout his works but ima is the only work where he's pretty explicit about his influences. His line of thinking isn't even new.

>>35715089
People in the left call him a white liberal instead of a leftie

>>35714975
Sounds really cringe. I was never his fan to begin with. CC was meh but Rewrite's final routes profoundly offended me. His humor is entertaining in small amounts tho.

>>35715320
His humor is pretty normal in ima. His absurd wacky humor took final shape in otaku masshigura.

Do you even discuss/read VNs in your general, JOPbros? Judging by arches you just ironic shitposting and fear of having opinion. Outside of few anons who post short walls of text reviews. Kinda sad existence. It's normal for humans wanting to discuss things they read.

>>35715470
Yeah, I'm reading yonagi now. Completed self halves of case 1/3. I honestly don't have much to talk about these cases. They are pretty forgettable.

>>35715493
>self
Second

>>35714975
>guns, germs and steel
Tell me more about the book. I have hard time to believe anon from vn thread read 500 pages of non fiction pol book

>>35715588
Not him and I'll fully admit to not having read it (because it sounds stupid), but basically the book's fundamental argument is that the success of European and Asian civilizations was mostly due to geographical luck and not the ingenuity of the populations living there and things of that nature.

>>35713685
hot. how long does it take to get to this scene

>>35715493
I'm almost done with the game myself. You're better of dropping it. The only thing that is good about Yonagi are the premises of the three cases and Asakawa Yuu. The payoff isn't worth it if you don't think the cases are interesting enough. It doesn't get any better.

>>35715588
https://youtu.be/kq6EuZj4axA
Not him but based on this badempanada video where he shits on one chapter it seems the writer just distorted history to prove his conclusions.

>>35715857
Not long, about 1000 lines in. Incidentally I just had the intro after 6250 lines, medium-length my ass.

>>35715962
>the writer just distorted history to prove his conclusions.
Good old classic technique

>>35715962
Is badempanada right or left?

>>35716109
He likes trolling leftists and rightists.

>>35716047
what's the context behind the scene? says all virgin heroines so she just virgin gyaku-rapes him?

>>35716144
The black-haired girl is using the (adult) MC to "masturbate" when she's drunk and horny.

>>35716109
He's a lefty but makes leftists seethe like anything(because he points their hypocrisy in a aggressive trolling way) to the point they band together and mass report him on twitter. His twitter gets suspended or banned all the fucking time, but he never stops.

>>35716375
His recent Italian "racist" trolling was just pure lmao

>>35715858
Honestly these two cases read like some cheap copy of shit I've experienced elsewhere. Maybe they feel unique for eroge medium I guess.

>>35714975
Damn, is Romeo really a Petersonfag?

>>35715962
>it seems the writer just distorted history to prove his conclusions.
I hate to be the one to tell this to you, but that's literally every single book trying to make a point about history ever. In case you didn't realize it, history is very complicated and every thesis will have points to criticize, and likewise every criticism will have its own criticisms and so on and so forth and that's literally all academia is. Saying that someone's historical conclusions distort the work isn't some earth-shattering revelation that destroys the validity of the book, it means you have a basic understanding of it. But what would I expect from a person who watches /pol/ youtube videos trying to educate people on "here's what really happened"

>>35709695
>>35709934
Do people genuinely try learning Japanese for Muramasa out of all titles?

Not trying to criticize at all, but I find it funny since the reason I learned was just to read old Black Cyc titles (which are probably never going to be translated)

>>35717065
Yep, and I'm done now. Bye anons.

>>35716978
I have no clue about the eceleb in question (nor do I care) but Diamond's book has zero validity. It's entirely ad hoc.

>>35716978
>everything is either perfect/imperfect
It's a spectrum. There's a level of distortion beyond which your analysis is just basically fairy tales. Cherry picking evidence, relying on shitty sources, questionable historiography, logical errors etc. You basically aren't saying anything profound here but defending a work with extremely shitty work because muh nothing is perfect.

>>35716978
Imagine simping for diamond. No scholar takes him seriously lmao

>>35717065
Everyone has that one game they learn the language for right? For me, it was Mahoyo.

Learning Japanese for one fucking game is peak retardation. Don't you have anything better to do with your life?

>>35717615
>Don't you have anything better to do with your life?
No

>>35717615
That was the primary goal. There were other things I wouldn't mind reading, but they're not important enough to justify the labor.

>>35717615
You'd be surprised at how many people are learning/have learned Japanese purely for sakura no uta or muramasa.

>>35685876
I remembered that they said they weren't doing gameplay eroges anymore but I guess the two Chikan games did well enough that they could use the profits to make another one again.

>>35717576
I feel like I learnt it just so I can play any eroge I want, not really for a single game per se.

>>35717065
It's not that crazy but in my case, I kept seeing stuff that attracted my attention and kept getting cockblocked since they were never translated - plus I wanted to indulge in other media as well
plus i had a really bad experience with a translation that really pissed me off, enough to actually just sit down and learn the language itself
>>35717615
There's nothing retarded about learning Japanese as a hobby and then going onto further expand on your hobby. I really doubt someone actually thought to themselves
>i just want to read this one visual novel, so i'll learn the language
It's probably just hyperbole

>>35717676
If your primary motivating goal is just one fucking VN, you're better off diverting your energies to other productive skills/hobbies. You'll just be disappointed after reading that one fucking VN.

>>35717714
>You'll just be disappointed after reading that one fucking VN.
I wasn't though. It's a 10/10 kamige that changed my life forever.

>>35717711
>It's probably just hyperbole
Hyperbole that maybe hiding a lot of truth. It's dangerous to bangwagon your way into learning Japanese for vague reasons. You'll just end up forcing yourself to read shit you don't actually enjoy just to justify learning Japanese.

>>35717576
Strawberry Nauts. I don't get it either.

>>35717714
Like I said there were other things I wouldn't have minded reading. And there's the possibility of finding other things down the line. But I'm not going to bother anymore so the point is moot.

>>35717615
Usually people who start learning Japanese for reading VNs barely have knowledge of the genre at all (r/VisualNovel users).

Their retardation is excusable. No problem at all if they come out with a useful skill at the end

>>35717735
>You'll just end up forcing yourself to read shit you don't actually enjoy just to justify learning Japanese.
Hahaha...reading VNs is just a force of habit at this point and I think all VNs are mediocre shit...

>>35717615
i actually learned japanese for NTRPG3 back in the day, i dont even know if it released

>>35679765
>>35679765
>>35680307
I impregnanted the MC's Love interest. Get mega cucked.

Okay I guess I might have to spell this out for the autists. When people say that they "learned Japanese for X", they just mean (most of the time) X was a primary goal and motivation. They don't literally mean that once they're done with X, they'll never use the language again and will just fuck off.

>>35717807
Which basically means you don't care about this medium enough and still finding that one excuse to learn Japanese

>>35717825
It's true. I don't really care about VNs as a medium anymore. I did a few years ago.

>>35717825
No it doesn't. This is just your weird projection.

>>35717825
You sound mentally ill.

>>35717844
they are a troon anon.

>>35717767
You're not wrong. Anyone who's made it far enough to read untranslated VNs without ML/texthooking at that point probably has the daily reading habit burned into them.

>>35717825
It's the other way around. You justify reading VNs by saying that you're learning Japanese from it.

The medium is not going to last that long into the future in first place. Gacha games are 10x more profitable than VNs.

>>35717836
Yes it is. If losing your one primary goal is enough to sap your entire motivation you probably don't care about VNs.

>>35717940
Lol, does enjoying media need justification beyond itself?

These days I'm more into video games than VNs, and you see it in those too. It's like noone wants to simply play games anymore, only tweet about it and cry they're too hard.

Okay, so this topic just has me convinced that some people in this thread are mentally ill but I don't know why I expected anything else. I liked VNs (some kinds a lot in particular) so I learned Japanese well enough and I still like VNs so I still read them.

The feeling of reading a high quality translation of Muramasa comfortably in your native tongue.

>>35717065
>Do people genuinely try learning Japanese for...
I did for XXX, but my targets changed since then. Being more impulsive since then, instead of trying to follow a fixed roadmap of stuff to read.

>>35718031
Makoto/moogy's translated prose is better than original Japanese kek

Like more than a decade ago I decide to learn Japanese for School Days. Its edginess appealed to me.

Haven't read it yet though.

I learned Japanese because I initially wanted to study in Japan so that I can fuck Japanese girls.

>>35718087
That didn't work out, eh?

You fags are pretty impulsive.

>>35718093
In the end I fucked Japanese girls but not through that route.

>>35718106
They're easier when they come to you.

My old university had an exchange program and the girls from Japan would party and get fucked like day one or two.

>fucking 3DPD
Disgusting, you faggots are.

>>35718181
Never understood this muh 2d>>3d tribalism. Just enjoy perks of both dimensions.

>>35718137
i thought the whole moon fetish was about fucking a 大和撫子 or w/e. if she's putting out after just meeting you, doesn't that undermine the appeal of moon girls?

>>35718219
Have sex once and you'll get it. 3D is truly PD and you'll never get hard from it ever again once you finally get your dick wet.
That said, what the fuck happened to this thread? Is this a case of retarded trolls shitposting against retarded trolls in a thread neither of the two groups frequent?

>>35718235
No? I think most weebs know that Japanese girls are pretty sexually active.

>>35718181
>/pol/
>failed normalfags
>schizos and ironic shitposters
nice エロゲスレ general you have here /vn/ bros
where can I join discord?

>>35718257
I've had sex countless time and I don't think that is where their PD aspect lies. PD comes into picture only in serious relationships.

>>35718235
Once when I first spent time becoming friendly and well, normally spending time together with one, I fell in love with her for real.

And it was difficult when it didn't work out.

>>35718257
>Have sex once and you'll get it
This isn't what makes 3D truly PD.

>>35718309
He probably fucked up his first sex and grappling with that trauma

Best thread in a long time

>>35718257
>That said, what the fuck happened to this thread?
Muramasa trannylation got announced, so EOPs are shitposting in full force.

>>35718429
Sorry but we EOPchads don't read shitty cartel trash.

>>35718429
Just announcement or did they completely translate it too? That was the one fucking VN I didn't want EOPs to read. They don't deserve muramasa. They are probably too retarded to even appreciate it and will taint that shit with their garbage memes.

>>35718452
Is cartel even real these days?

You know, I randomly remembered gg fansubs this morning, googled them and read a 9 years old Reddit AMA with their leader (supposedly a woman).

That's how I feel about "cartel". Something from 9 years ago.

>>35718466
It's coming out August 24th.

>>35718474
The cartel just watches vtubers

>>35718512
Those arasaa obasans? What's the appeal?

>>35718525
Most of them are lonely men in their 30s or late 20s. They feel deep connection with vtubers talking to "them" while they support those sluts with their own money. Parasocial relationships are weird.

>>35718566
To me the "patheticness scale goes"
Idols > V-tubers > Seiyuus > Fictional Characters
with Idols being the most pathetic obsession.

Better to pour one's pointless (=unreal) affection towards ome eroge character than a real person. Unreal goes with unreal, after all.

>>35718525
There's a fucking subhuman cuck vtuber promoting VNs and pretending to be a mascot of this medium

Vtubers are based
But I prefer to watch Quin69

>>35718566
In the end humans can't escape this craving for intimate human connection. Better get a partner than wasting your money on e-sluts.

>>35718767
>In the end humans can't escape this craving for intimate human connection
I have intimate human connection with Anonymous.

All it takes is a fucking 2D image and you can turn weebs into simps for e-girls streamers.

>>35718767
>In the end humans can't escape this craving for intimate human connection.
That's why we're here.
But humans can. It just takes being a schizoid.
And it'd fucking amaze me if eroge players weren't all depersonalized, mentally ill autists to some capacity.

yeah that's why weebs watch animes and read shitty eroge

Someone pls share

[020510][Cyc] 神愛～Shin ai～ (mdf+mds).rar

>>35712843
I literally said
>I can see how someone would think this is cool but it's not for me
is that all it takes to be a hipster?

>>35719296
You aren't supposed to have any opinion that isn't approved by moogy.

>>35719296
Moogy said it's good so it's good

>>35718466
what's the point of gatekeeping it? this was inevitable. muramasa is either probably gonna plunge really hard or rise up in rating a bit depending on how the EOPs like it

>>35719465
It'll tank, it's just a question of if it will tank as hard as DI.

>>35719465
>what's the point of gatekeeping it?
Feels good to lord over EOPs. As if I belong to some superior race literate enough to read untranslated kamige whereas EOPs are low IQ inferior race.

>>35719482
sometimes I wonder if muramasa's high reviews are just cope for going through the effort of reading it in japanese or whether it's genuinely good

>>35719465
If you like Muramasa you're moogydrone and not true JOP lord.

Honestly sucks that most people use 2D as a way to cope. I just enjoy 2D as it is, no need to compare to real people or list all the reasons why 3D sucks and 2D is better. You can like something without being a bitter retard who huffs his own farts 24/7.

>>35719552
The problem with these 50-60 hour VNs() 120 something hours for JSLs) is that mostly those who like it will complete it or they'll develop Stockholm syndrome.

>>35719515
very mentally ill, but I sadly agree with you there

>>35719552
It's a cope. Muramasa is cartel game despised by japanese fans. It was worst eroge in 2009. Respected eroge critic destroyed it for a reason.

>>35719569
Incels gotta cope to sustain their ego

>>35719569
I like how they think of 3D girls as evil rapacious soulless psychos when they haven't interacted with any of them. Some hardcore projection going on here.

*simps*

did anything happen today? why is this thread so much more worse than usual

>>35719618
>>35719675
Didn't expect reasonable and logical replies here.

>>35719782
murmasa fully translated is getting released August 24 and for some reason every schizo is having a meltdown over losing their precious pseudo-philosophy game

>>35719948
Did this happen with other vns too ?

>>35719995
not that I'm aware of now

what should we do now?

>>35719782
the muramasa announcement has lead to a flood of /vg/ newfags posting bad bait, and people just can't stop themselves from responding
ignore them and they'll get bored

>>35720058
its ok we still have sakura moyu ig

Would you let your underage daughters go to the library with sensei?

>>35720058
we gatekeep 俺たちに翼はない

>>35720252
I'm still torn whether I should read it or not. I really like the art style, but most lolige turn me off.

>>35720587
It's really simple. Do you feel like masturbating to lolis? If yes, read it. If no, don't. The disclaimer is that the time it takes to actually get to the first H scene is stupidly long for some reason.

>>35720252
I just got to the kotatsu belly peeping scene the other day, and liked it a lot. How has the story progressed from then on? I wonder when I'm actually going to get route prompts, and how they'll affect my story outcome.

>>35721611
The early H scenes later have some choices but I'm pretty sure they don't affect anything besides getting some CGs and stuff. There's a couple of choices later (I forgot the exact scenario/situation) that are basically "which girl do you feel like caring about" and that's how you get into routes.

>>35720267
This. If oretsuba falls it’s all over. The EOPs will have officially won. We will have to retreat to literal memes like albatross.

>>35720267
Oretsuba already lost because of that anime

Where the fuck do I find a download for Oretsuba R? I don't give a shit about ero.

>>35722768
Just get the PS3 iso
Should be playable based on rpcs3 compatibility list

>>35722768
Just play 18+ version

>>35722768
Just don't play it

>>35722940
This nigga is right

>>35722768
I have it, but it would take long to upload.

If the PS3 version can be emulated, get that instead. For dlpsgame.net for example.

>>35722845
>>35723043
I guess I'll try with the PS3 one since that probably will be way less hassle.

I want to get back into VNs, should I read Wagahime or Demonbane?

>>35723253
Something actually good

>>35723253
You should read clarias.

>>35723278
suggest something then

>>35723253
>I want to get back into VNs
Why do you hate yourself?

>>35723253
Assuming you like mecha chuunishit, Demonbane is pretty good. I have no clue about Wagahime but most people seemed disappointed by it.

>>35723253
Wagahime is good if you like Takahiro

>>35723305
Muramasa

>>35723338
i liked majikoi

>>35723253
Wagahime is really bad.

>>35723402
What are you waiting for then go read it

>>35723253
I was disappointed by Wagahime but in retrospect, it was alright. It had SOME fun moments

>>35723498
>>35723416
>>35723329
how come people seem so split on it?

>>35723587
Because it's better than Majikoi but they're not 16 anymore.

>>35723253
Demonbane

>>35723587
>really bland protagonist
>gags being recycled and overused
>the overarching story the game was going for was a let down
>one of the heroine's routes was relegated to a true route where she was missing for a fair portion
>flashbacks upon flashbacks
>one heroine was extremely boring
Erin was cute and I really liked her, Crone got her own route stolen out from under her but overall I liked her.
>>35723651
>Because it's better than Majikoi
Really? Why do you think so?

>>35723656
I played the entire first Demonbane game without realizing that Al and Etheldreda were voiced by the same person. And even then I only found out because in the second game I realized that Another Blood was voiced by the same person as Al in one scene.

Don't worry JOP bros, we still got this masterpiece

>>35724053
What will be next, translating monobeno ?

>>35723253
Demonbane is a classic, kusohime is majishit with le epic samurai cosplays

>>35724053
>JOP lolige
My brother of excellent taste, the world is truly only as narrow and wide as we let it be. I haven't played this one yet, though I just added it to my list. What's it like?

>>35724327
It has a scene where you let your loli get cummed on by a bunch strangers.

>>35724334
>Tfw just checked 'All' tags on VNDB.
It didn't have to be like this, brother. It looks so nice, it didn't have to be this way.

>>35724334
That's very hot.

http://ainolinks.com/
葉月ひかり kinda sounds like Kanako to me, wonder if she's leaving that name since it's tarnished by all the extreme content in Magicami now.