/jp/ - Otaku Culture

What exactly are the benefits of learning Japanese aside from weeb-shit?

>>35665148
cool party trick when you can draw sick kanjis

easy japanese

>>35665148
there is no point to learning japanese, its complete meaningless

i just learned because is a noun. learning japanese is like pondering on koans

>>35665107
If you're a beginner, please read the guide first.
Guide: https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/
All other guides were proven to be ineffective, especially Mehmet's guide!

>>35665281
thank you for removing your nametag

>>35665148
if you need a reason besides weeb shit then you should give up now

>>35665107
Stop trying to reorder the numbers. Your shitty thread wasn't #2911, it was in a multiday coma until it was used for #2914.
Good thing you made this multiple pages early so the janitor can delete it.

>>35665489
look at this autism

a bunch of manga volumes were missing in my shipment noooo

i started an argument with a japanese guy on the internet. i saw his english was broken so i said in japanese that he could speak japanese if thats easier for him.
i should not have done that, now i look like a fool who has lost an argument.xk02

>>35665879
you mean you could barely say anything?

greatest stream right here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs4E3g0rwoU

>>35665888
we were talking about whether 16th century portugal or 16th century japan would win. if portugal would be hostile when discovering japan if they would be able to conquer the entire island and force them to become a colony or not. i believe because of the technological and economic advantages of portugal they would actually win. but this hardcore nihon imperialist faggot doesn't think so.

>>35665915
>youtube comment argument
brosama...

>>35665930
brosan, my pride is on the line. it's almost as important as winning an argument on 4chan.

>>35665937
somebody here can help you draft the closing arguments
in porto

do 青 really means blue and green?

>>35665984
it means another color range entirely. it's not simply blue + green

>>35665959
i probably already messed up in my original comment. i said
>兵数は武力じゃない
because i thought that meant "the number of troops is not the same as military strength"

>>35666004
deeple backs you up

>>35665984
yes, context makes it clear which one you are talking about

>>35666010
oh, cool. guess i'm not a dekinai then.
thnx, i will write an entire essay and feed it through deepl to counter his argument about how he thinks that even mongolians would beat the portuguese. (cus thats what i understood from it lol)

>>35666016
あ、青いボタンを押してください

>>35666029
>thnx, i will write an entire essay and feed it through deepl to counter his argument
that's probably what he was doing but he just knows about google translate

hey cardcaptor sakura seems really boring (I mean shes hot but thats not enough for me) does it end up getting better or is this just a cope show?

>>35666042
you mean i am not arguing with an actual japenese japanese imperialist?

>>35666053
ピース

>>35665148
horseback archery

>>35665148
>>35665879
arguing with japanese people on the internet
though if you're into that kind of thing you're better off learning spanish

>>35666056
i mean it's incredibly rare to find japanese people who can actually draft english. someone posted their 日常英語スレ and not a single post was real english, even the one guy going off on how nobody but him could speak english bc he was a native speaker

>>35665915
well obviously portugal would win but these aren't really the types of arguments where the other party provides you with a win condition. If you destroy his argument he'll deflect to something else just let it go.

banger alert
https://youtu.be/JqwKeddXPOg

>>35666096
yeah that one is real good. best in a while

>>35665864
so send an email

>>35666103
yeah im going through the claims process now. hope it works

>>35666086
>>35666091
both of you have a point i should just let it go. i guess i just hate it that the other weebs that joined in the conversation agree with that dude.

>>35666096
never heard of this artist before but she's really good

>>35665172
i dont read horizontal text

>>35666096
typical jpop. they all sound the same.

fitting for a race that all look the same kek.

tfw the show is shit but u want to fuck the cat

>>35666173
this dweeb listens to jpop

>>35666168
ngmi. shit's everywher

How do i learn grammar
I don't even know what the fuck to look up in a grammar dictionary when immersing

>>35666190
have to make exceptions but if its a printed book get that shit outta here

>>35666177
おかゆ〜

>>35666192
look some shit up on occasion when you feel like it and keep reading more

>>35666178
no fag i called it out for being jpop

i only listen to meiji era orchestral arranges.

>>35666192
same here

>>35666208
u wish ur dumb cat was that fuckable

>>35666211
yeah whatever go back to your jpop, little baby

>>35666226
the j in jpop stands for joe mama

page one of no game and they're talking about free masons hiding symbols on money

>>35666209
>>35666220
I reckon i'll do textbook work for a few weeks. I can't remember anything from just skimming thai kim

>>35665107
Nice takeover!

>>35665107
>>35665107 #3

>>35666266
just read manga and refer back to it when you notice it's something youve seen before

>>35666266
textbooks are useless
grammar guides should only be used for reference
youre not going to understand everything so move on and read more

>>35665107
>starting a japanese thread with vtubeshit (read ugly fat whores behind an anime profile picture) of which none of them are even japanese

>>35666266
yeah, i was even considering duolingo, but everybody shits on it

>>35666326
i told a guy i was reading japanese books to get fluent in japanese and he recommended i use duolingo. holy shit i bit my tongue

>>35666318
already numb to forced ironic zoomer humor

>>35666308
>>35666315
I've tried for a long time learning from just context without looking anything up, it doesn't work for me. there are probably rare grammatical structs that i've only seen a few times and i wouldn't even know they are related

>>35666363
wasn't trying to be funny. it's just a kuso way to start a kuso thread.

>>35666318
i dont know much about vtubers. can you teach me all you know?

>>35666192
and this is what you get for being an inputter

after i finish my first book for children

>>35666368
>without looking anything up
i didnt say dont look anything up
if you dont understand anything you arent learning anything
just be smart about it and dont waste 10 minutes tryin to decipher 1 fuckin sentence that doesnt matter at all
learn to let shit go and have fun with it cause its gonna be a while until it gets comfortable
nothing is going to prepare you you can see that by checking out reddit and seeing all the people who have been reading genki and tobira for 3 years and cant read anything
the only way to get better at reading is to read

>>35666389
all you need to know is that they are whores who get fucked by their manager while weebs buy their chink-made merchandise, so like any other idol business. except this one is worse because the idols are ugly so they hide behind their anime profile pic.

>>35666368
you have to look stuff up. just look it up when you come across it

>>35666417
recommend me one please

>>35666424
interesting. which ones are your favorites?

i don't need a girlfriend i have okayu

>>35666439
pokimane

>>35666439
forsen

>>35666424
God I wish I was a Chuuba company manager.

>>35666432
i just got the hobbit. see if you can slowly read this page without it being excruciating.
>>35665172

i started kiki's delivery service and it was easy but boring.

>>35666454
don't lose hope, they're creepy fat lonely fucks like yourself

>>35666439

never understood buying translated western books

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5tNZq6GhG8
white piggu go home

Can someone with Kindle unlimited rip the first 8 books of this? https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/gp/product/B00CJ5NMV8

>>35666469
Nice, nice, nice. I really want to touch a Chuuba while they stream.

>>35666476
probably the same reason why i watch spongebob in japanese. i already know all the (non-shit early season) episodes by heart

>>35666483
nah dont care. thanks for the recs though i'll check it out

>>35666417
when I have to rewind the childrens show three times

>>35666494
but what's the point? a lot of language is based on cultural mindset and something translated from english isn't going to have that japanese mindset. think of how dubbed anime use lots of awkward/uncommon words/phrases like "bastard"

this wanicunny got me actin up

>>35666494
yea but you can just know an anime by heart if you watched it subbed before same with book translations

>>35666524
sounds like pretty high comprehension to me

>>35666494
prob the biggest reason i dont get it is cause i get real fuckin bored trying to reread something when i remember the plot too well
but if it motivates you to finish a book then maybe its a good choice

>>35666525
only shitty dubs use awkward language. as long as it's something translated well, i don't see a problem. japanese spongebob is like a completely different show anyway

i like miko, they're very cute. i wish that I could marry a miko. did you know that in the past, miko started their training around the age of 8 and when they completed their training they would have sex with the priest of the shrine who acted in place of the god, and she would give birth to a child who was considered a half god. this is a very interesting custom and it's a shame that it was left in the past.

>>35666579
true true

>>35666564
>something translated well
that means throwing away the original text entirely and saying something completely different. languages can't rely be translated.

>>35666579

>>35666609
im not a shrine priest

「　　」（くうはく）
wow

>>35666579
who would even let their daughter become a miko then?

>>35666668
the priest

>>35666668
ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.

>>35666579
stealth holo post. very clever

>>35666675
miko are japanese culture, not vtuber culture. please kill yourself i don't like vtubers.

>>35666601
>that means throwing away the original text entirely and saying something completely different
not entirely but yes, it is different. that's why i said spongebob is like a different show. but it helps me to see something familiar and have characters with similar personalities to their english counterparts i guess,

>>35666694
she's one of the early ones so you can say you liked it before it was cool

退く
>しりぞく
>どく
>のく
>ひく
>しぞく

which is it

honestly i don't think it's that weird. at the time when that was happening it was normal for girls to get married at very young ages. whether or not it's for a religious ceremony isn't very relevant. the concept of a pedophile has only emerged in the last century as we have forced kids to stay in our educational institutions instead of letting them experience the world like our ancestors did.

>>35666722
kys pedo

>>35666506
Don't be a dick

imagine letting your daughter have sex lmao

>>35666758
imagining it right now

>>35666749
im not a pedophile, im not attracted to children. im sorry if human history offends you.

shit thread, gonna get a lot of immersion in today

「曰く」を覚えた

Great thread

>>35666809
pedo

literally have never immersed in my life

>>35666804
immerse yourself in this!

>>35666825
i would love to

immerse yourself in a miko

>>35666858
i would love too

>>35666891
>too
esl

>>35666897
too means also or as well

stop engaging in psychological warfare with the esl hunter

If I saw a girl walking around in a lolita outfit with a himecut I would ask her to marry me.

>>35666924
not into hime cut but wakaru

an esl and a pedophile... the stereotypes write themselves

>>35666953
that girls old enough to be ur mother

why does japanese youtube suck so much

fuck this pedophile this pedophile that nonsense. are you telling me that if a cute japanese girl wants to ride your dick you would say no because she's not 18? what kind of blueball cuck fuckery is that.

>>35666979
not worried cuz ill never be in that situation

>>35666985
yeah, you will be a virgin forever.

>>35666997
thanks for explaining my post

y'all need jesus in your life

>>35667004
LMFAO Based.

>>35667011
we need manko not fairy tales.

>>35666979
yeah kys asap. beyond saving

whenever i speak with females i try to imagine how tight/loose they are.

>>35666953
bro you literally got it wrong cope

y'all need hololive in your life

>>35667034
be the change you want to see in the world

>>35667041
don't ever talk to your mother

>>35667060
yeah im coming for you

>>35667051
this single post dropped the average iq of posters itt by 50

>>35667051
I don't want to reward pedophiles

>>35667062
i don't

>>35667077
no, you need to be the change. kill yourself リア充

>Sakura's Breathtaking First Date
why is she dating a man twice her size?

hololive is strictly 18-35. based normie company

>>35667129
who

>>35665281
tell me tatsumoto, where were said guides disproven when yours does nothing else original.

>>35667143
>20-35

>>35667179
samefag

>uparupa
Does anyone know the etymology of this word?
Why do Japanese call an Axolotl an ウーパールーパー ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axolotl
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%A1%E3%82%AD%E3%82%B7%E3%82%B3%E3%82%B5%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%82%A6%E3%82%A6%E3%82%AA

>>35666177
its been almost 2 hours and the feelings havent subsided yet

>>35667248
www.reddit.com/r/Hololewd/
this might help

>>35667337
think you might need to get your eyes checked

was reading a post about someone struggling with verb conjugations and it made me realize how nice it is to have acquired all that shit and never having to think about it. what a confusing mess that used to seem to be

が should be romanized as nga

>>35667358
its easy as fuck if you learn it the japanese way and not the western way

>>35667358
>t. what is chau guy

>>35667369
except when its not nga

>>35667369
no that's か゚

>>35667358
>what a confusing mess that used to seem to be
ive never thought japanese conjugations were confusing and i learned all of them from textbooks

>>35667394
how the fuck did you type that20rk

>>35667461
that's nothing
ツ゚ヺ

ゟ

this is my secret kana jutsu
ゞ

nigger゜

こ゚ヷヸヿ
if you can't read this good luck to you

>>35665984
stfu og

og is based

>>35667589
nothing will top when she said this
https://streamable.com/h2a8yi

didnt click

>>35667594
but you told me she was the nephilim nooooooooo

too clever by half

https://streamable.com/eu65qz
Damn.

>>35666483
pls rip

things guys wont understand;
霊感

in the west: schizo! freak! nutjob!
in japan: 霊感があるね！すごい

>>35667691
that clip is way too long. tldr?

>>35665107
worst op in a while

>>35667691
anons be like

>>35667809
whys your gender so divisive?

>>35667942
thought i was looking at a macbook

> almost made an uncharacteristically angry posting admitting how much i hate everyone in djt but realized it wouldnt accomplish anything so i deleted the post
nah you like us dont lie

>>35665107
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>>35667358
yeah i remember how hard my first week of japanese was

>>35667994
how long did it take you to learn japanese?

its so hot when they say 言わんこっちゃない

>>35668003
15 years of english subbed anime

>>35667994
posts like this gotta go

>>35667994
lol

>>35667809
no, I understand 霊感. but you don't. you don't even understand は and が.

「かも」と「かも知れない」を覚えた

>>35668144
lol

>>35668144

>>35668144
i remember my first episode of anime

>>35667691
does she always bitch and whine about not being supported and say from now on shes not going to ganbaru anymore lmfao

「〜（え）まい」を覚えた

「ちゃう」を忘れた

sigh

>this time i didnt get fucked over by youtube and that's all i'm gonna say
lol just watched the kiara clip. salty over irys debut cannibalising her views with her better song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDyZ3VgjcCE

>it's not about the views
>it's not about the vsinger
damn she's literally crying that her song got 500k views

>>35668366
>sayonara

anyone read slam dunk? never read a sports manga

headline news: holofags surprised that 3d women with a 2d avatar act like 3d women

I hit an N5 level today! Well, I didn't take the N5, but I used the 14 practice questions, and I got 13/14 right. I don't have a certificate saying I'm N5, though. Anyways, I know that people say that N5 isn't a big accomplishment, but god, hitting N5 gave me a lot of encouragement! After 108 days of studying Japanese 90 minutes a day, I did it! I can officially say I'm N5 instead of, "Well, I'm around N5." ! I'm so happy!

Update: I took an actual timed old JLPT N5 test. I passed 123/180! I'm so happy!

>>35668457
Pretty good keep it up!
Remember its not a race so don't worry about being behind! :)

Is anyone else having trouble accessing Wanikani? I was in the middle of a session on wanikani when google chrome gave me an error saying that my connection is not private. Ive tried refreshing and opening in a new window yet i get the same error.

was about to take the simulated n1 to prove im intermediate level for once and for all but they only have n5 and n4

>>35668494
n1 is advanced

lmfao did wanikani forget to renew their https cert
fuckin passive income

>>35668500
advanced lower intermediate

Dr. Pimsleur’s research on memory was perhaps one of his most revolutionary achievements. He discovered that if learners were reminded of new words at gradually increasing intervals, each time they would remember longer than the time before. He documented the optimal spacing for information to move from short-term into long-term, or permanent, memory. This theory is at the base of all the Pimsleur programs.

>>35668500
you mean pre-beginner

yeah i do pimpsleur

not gonna take a dyel seriously

>>35668513
lol

>>35668492
Its a known issue. We all use anki

just finished my wanikanis for the day

>>35668513
so basically he discovered srs?

what is the interval spacing he recommends? can i set anki to use the same intervals?

if you ever see the word "optimal" and still dont know youre getting scammed you deserve it

>>35668820
so is anki scamming me too?

Can anyone explain how 谷郷 was misread as Yagou? I searched jisho and couldn't really find anything that remotely resembles 谷 and is read as ヤ

>>35668836
Ah I'm retarded. It's apparently a place?

>>35668834
yes but i dont see the word optimal anywhere on the site

>>35668836
i think subaru misread it on purpose because she wasnt supposed to say his real name and came up with that

>>35668836
>Readings
>Japanese names: がい、 がえ、 がや、 せ、 たり、 たん、 や
https://jisho.org/search/%E8%B0%B7%20%E3%82%84%EF%BC%8A%20%23names

>>35668886
wtf japanese is impossible

>>35668836
it shows 谷郷 on jisho under names btw

>>35668887
names are the most impossible part

>>35668820
is stephen krashens theory of optimal input a scam?

>>35668895
that honour goes to katakana

>>35668899
not gonna read krashners papers but isnt that talking about optimality as a scale nothin wrong with that

>>35668899
it's crank pseudoscience yeah. there are a lot of competing theories and none are satisfying.

realized ive been reading ヌルヌル as tarutaru for a year

>>35668912
you said anything with the word optimal is a scam.
>>35668924
it's not pseudoscience. it's science, and it is very observable. anyone who learned any language, first or second, did so because of optimal input.

>>35668936
my b i thought you could figure out what i meant
theres a difference between talking about relative optimality or w/e and saying "ive found the optimal srs timing" or "this course is the optimal way to learn japanese"

>>35668836
>谷郷 was misread as Yagou
i don't know the context but

if i ever see you post a celeb name deck again im gonna make you regret it

>>35668936
>it's not pseudoscience. it's science, and it is very observable. anyone who learned any language, first or second, did so because of optimal input.
poverty of stimulus btfos input hypothesis and is more supported despite what matt cultists vandalizing the wikipages think. and that's just one alternative, none of which can adequately explain language acquisition

>>35668969
elaborate

>>35668960
you have a deck of japanese clebrities? where can i get it?

check out critical papers on krashen. his shit is flimsy. not science. it's self-help.

>>35668975
>matt cultists
i hate matt and he doesn't follow optimal input hypothesis despite his claims. stephen krashen told matt to his face that studying pitch accent is a waste of time and that we acquire it naturally.

it's very clear that you don't know what you are talking about.

>>35668992
i created it myself. i add names that i come across in movies or on youtube. i also started adding the names od 声優s

>>35668980
ill say please dont do that

>>35668992
comes with wanikani lifetime

>>35668998
true but whats better

>>35669004
>stephen krashen told matt to his face that studying pitch accent is a waste of time and that we acquire it naturally.
krashen literally doesnt know japanese at all. maybe learn who is who before you claim this is foundational science.

>>35669004
thats 1 thing krashner was wrong about
but youre right that matto is a fraud and has never emersed in a way that would have made krashner proud in his life

>>35669005
>od
od?

would you mind sharing your deck somewhere and keeping it up to date? i recognize celebrities by their faces but honestly i have a hard time remembering some of their names. i got into a big convo about yurina hirate and how sad it was that she got impregnated by an abuser retard all because i mixxed her up with yui imaizumi.

>>35669024
od = of

the biggest krashen thing everyone trots around is "i+1" input. no field of science would hold up something so vague as foundational theory

>>35669024
>would you mind sharing your deck somewhere and keeping it up to date?
i'm too self-conscious about my decks

>>35669015
>krashen literally doesnt know japanese at all
why would you expect him to know a language he hasn't studied? he knows french, spanish, mandarin and german. maybe some others. his study is about how the brain acquires language, he doesn't sit down and drone anki and try to force "methods" on the masses like matt does.

>>35669027
The five hypotheses that Krashen proposed are as follows:

>The input hypothesis. This states that learners progress in their knowledge of the language when they comprehend language input that is slightly more advanced than their current level. Krashen called this level of input "i+1", where "i" is the learner's interlanguage and "+1" is the next stage of language acquisition.
>The acquisition–learning hypothesis claims that there is a strict separation between acquisition and learning; Krashen saw acquisition as a purely subconscious process and learning as a conscious process, and claimed that improvement in language ability was only dependent upon acquisition and never on learning.
>The monitor hypothesis states that consciously learned language can only be used to monitor language output; it can never be the source of spontaneous speech.
>The natural order hypothesis states that language is acquired in a particular order, and that this order does not change between learners, and is not affected by explicit instruction.
>The affective filter hypothesis. This states that learners' ability to acquire language is constrained if they are experiencing negative emotions such as fear or embarrassment. At such times the affective filter is said to be "up."

>>35669020
>thats 1 thing krashner was wrong about
how is he wrong when it's observable and he gave real world examples? if your accent is shit that's your own fault.

>>35669037
then he can't claim that pitch accent comes naturally and you don't have to study it. he doesn't know anything about it.

>>35669044
now vocaroo this post in japanese

you can't measure i+1. it's not a scientific concept.

>>35669013
it just has to be based on ancedote and personal experience. the best we got right now in the absence of a useful theory.

>'Comprehensible input' is the crucial and necessary ingredient for the acquisition of language. The comprehensible input hypothesis can be restated in terms of the natural order hypothesis For example, if we acquire the rules of language in a linear order (1, 2, 3...), then i represents the last rule or language form learned, and i+1 is the next structure that should be learned.[4] It must be stressed, however, that just any input is not sufficient; the input received must be comprehensible.[3] According to Krashen, there are three corollaries to his theory.
Corollaries of the input hypothesis

>Talking (output) is not practicing.
>Krashen stresses yet again that speaking in the target language does not result in language acquisition. Although speaking can indirectly assist in language acquisition, the ability to speak is not the cause of language learning or acquisition. Instead, comprehensible output is the effect of language acquisition.[3][5]
>When enough comprehensible input is provided, i+1 is present.
>If language models and teachers provide enough comprehensible input, then the structures that acquirers are ready to learn will be present in that input. According to Krashen, this is a better method of developing grammatical accuracy than direct grammar teaching.[3]
>The teaching order is not based on the natural order.
>Instead, students will acquire the language in a natural order by receiving comprehensible input.[3]

>>35669045
hey buddy, japanese isn't the only language where people have accents.

natural order hypothesis doesn't exist for second language learners. it is influenced by factors including prior known languages.

there's even a rival theory called output hypothesis. this shit is all pseudoscience and you're just latching onto one of the suitors and saying "this is the science." that's just your personal crank. it's not consensus science

>>35669072
not sure if joking

>>35669087
>output hypothesis.

>Stephen Krashen argues that the basic problem with all output hypotheses is that output is rare, and comprehensible output is even rarer. Even when the language acquirer does speak, they rarely make the types of adjustments that the CO hypothesis claims are useful and necessary to acquire new forms.[4] Another difficulty with CO is that pushing students to speak in a second language may be uncomfortable for them, raising the affective filter and thus hampering acquisition. When asked which aspects of foreign language learning caused them the most anxiety, students placed speaking in the foreign language at the top of the list.[5] Methods that are based on comprehensible output frequently put acquirers in this uncomfortable position.

>>35669073
we acquire second language the same way we acquire first language.

>>35669095
with dick in hand reading sick eroge

>>35669087
>output hypothesis

>Furthermore, research suggests that humans can develop extremely high levels of language and literacy proficiency without any language output or production at all.[6] Studies show that acquirers usually acquire small but significant amounts of new vocabulary through single exposure to a new word found in a comprehensible text.[7] "Given the consistent evidence for comprehensible input, and the failure of other means of developing language competence, providing more comprehensible input seems to be a more reasonable strategy than increasing output," says Krashen.[4]

why are you spamming wikipedia. check the edit history and you'll see the usual suspects creating and editing most of these pages.

>>35669106
shit argument. you can check the sources
you can also give better sources disproving these claims

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mr._Stradivarius

you see this guy on almost every page

Applied linguistics
Communication strategies in second language acquisition
Dictogloss
Display question
Elaine Tarone
Focus on form
Good language learner studies
H. Douglas Brown
Howard Giles
Information gap task
Interaction Hypothesis
Interface hypothesis
International Association of Applied Linguistics
Larry Selinker
List of common misconceptions about language learning
Merrill Swain
Multi-competence
Natural approach
Pit Corder
Richard Schmidt (linguist)
Silent period
Silent way
Skill-based theories of second language acquisition

irrelevant. prove that the wikipedia summary doesn't reflect what krashen has said or stfu with your bullshit

>>35669109
it's not a scientific field. you can't disprove it because it's not even wrong.

>>35669100
yes, that's called optimal input.

>>35669112
>prove that the wikipedia summary doesn't reflect what krashen has said
krashen is just some crank. you're treating this like a religion exclusively focusing on one prophet

>>35669103
>Studies show that acquirers usually acquire small but significant amounts of new vocabulary through single exposure to a new word found in a comprehensible text.
that's exactly how students acquire english as L1 learners in schools.

>>35669111
doesn't matter, he cites his sources.

>>35669111
backpedal
>>35669122
backpedal

just step outside of the matt vs japan zone for a second and major tenets are just slapped down anywhere you look. somebody just said l1 and l2 learners are the same. well, guess what consensus opinion on that is...

https://news.mit.edu/2018/cognitive-scientists-define-critical-period-learning-language-0501

>A great deal of evidence suggests that it is more difficult to learn a new language as an adult than as a child, which has led scientists to propose that there is a “critical period” for language learning. However, the length of this period and its underlying causes remain unknown.

>A new study performed at MIT suggests that children remain very skilled at learning the grammar of a new language much longer than expected — up to the age of 17 or 18. However, the study also found that it is nearly impossible for people to achieve proficiency similar to that of a native speaker unless they start learning a language by the age of 10.

>>35669136
doesn't matter what you cite if it's junk pseudoscience.

>>35669152
>somebody just said l1 and l2 learners are the same.
bro your reading comprehension...

>>35669172
>>35669095
natural order hypothesis doesn't exist for l2 learners. l1 and l2 are not the same

>>35669179
might as well say "your age is different so its not the same"

>>35669122
>krashen is just some crank
no? he has a phd in linguistics and has been studying the process by which the brain acquires language for 50 years. he has written hundreds of papers on his research which are often cited.
>>35669152
>step outside of the matt vs japan zone for a second
i never stepped into it.
>>35669158
>it's junk pseudoscience.
prove that it's pseudoscience.
>>35669179
>natural order hypothesis doesn't exist for l2 learners.
yes it does.

you cant debunk it because it's not even wrong. what do you want me to do. "i+1" is not falsifiable

>>35669220
>it's not even wrong
great debate

>>35669233
bet you dont know what that means because you havent done anything remotely academic. just repeat shit you read on wikipedia

calling a definition "not falsifiable" is peak retardation

>>35669237
if you're such an expert how come you're not fluent in japanese?

another loss for sentence cards fags

>>35669253
because of critical period (real science)

>>35669259
you don't know what you're talking about and it's embarrassing

>>35669259
the truth comes out the heart of the matter is pure cope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcRDRImQ8tM

>>35669259
>The researchers developed and tested a variety of computational models to see which was most consistent with their results, and found that the best explanation for their data is that grammar-learning ability remains strong until age 17 or 18, at which point it drops. The findings suggest that the critical period for learning language is much longer than cognitive scientists had previously thought.


>The authors note that adults are still good at learning foreign languages, but they will not be able to reach the level of a native speaker if they begin learning as a teenager or as an adult.

from the same article that you posted

no one here will ever make it. it's science

i'm br and there was this austrian dude called Otto Maria Carpeaux. he wrote a book in portuguese and i swear to god, you can't even detect that he was a foreigner.

>Otto Maria Carpeaux (March 9, 1900 – February 3, 1978), born Otto Karpfen, was an Austrian-born Brazilian literary critic and multilingual scholar.[1]

>Perhaps the peak of Carpeaux's production was his eight-volume História da Literatura Ocidental (History of Western Literature),[6] available only in Portuguese, in spite of being in public domain. Carpeaux took eight years to write his masterwork, from 1941 to 1947. Late critic José Lino Grünewald labelled it one of the brightest moments of the language in prose, despite the fact that Carpeaux was not a native speaker

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Maria_Carpeaux

how "long" have u been "learning" "japanese" and how much of this can u "understand" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jMqc4pWDqM

>>35669312
my native language is english so i take stuff like this for granted

>>35669318
none of it i hate this stupid depression hip hop phase

>>35669312
>eight years
>1941 to 1947
は？

newbie here
is bunpro a good grammar supplement for wanikani?
aiming to take the n5 at some point

>>35669363
no do rtk instead

>>35669199
linguistics is not scientific at all.

>>35669373
linguistics is science. applied linguistics is not.

>>35669363
yeah also throw in trash taste podcast to round out your education

>>35669365
ok thanks
>>35669389
not into anitubers sorry

>>35669400
rtk has nothing to do with grammar. that guy's trolling you

retard

about to do rth

>>35669373
explain. you can't just make stupid statements without an explanation and expect to be taken seriously.

>>35666074
how the fuck am I going to argue with japanese people in spanish

https://open.spotify.com/track/1bYsVyiYrpy9lHpLUCGcs9?si=031dec3376594b62

dead thread

dont interrupt me im emersing

>>35665107
>https://streamable.com/fhazkk
interesting, so people like this still do exist

i was permanently banned from reddit for sharing an article which stated the number of vaccine deaths in japan. i guess ill go back to 5ch...

do i even need a vaccination if im a healthy neet

>>35669854
teach me how to browse 5ch
it just looks like reddit to me, i thought it was supposed to be an imageboard
then once i search and click on a thread it just says

>>35669870
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSrc_s2Gqfw
yeah get the vax bro

>>35669882
2chan's the one that's more similar to 4chan in terms of image content.

>>35669887
that doesnt prove anything tho those people could have been old or had underlying conditions

>>35669894
i thought 2ch is dead and became 5ch
or is there another 2chan

>>35669882
try living in japan. most japanese web boards ban foreigners because they get korean trolls.

>>35669910
why are gooks so toxic?

right now the vaccine mortality rate in japan is higher than the corona infection rate in tokyo.

>>35666483
i might still have a free trial i haven't used, how do i rip them and does anybody have any more recs to download? my japanese is shit but i want a backlog for if i ever get better

on that note, does anyone have any recs for basically infants? i wanna start reading but am not sure if i can survive looking up a word every 2 seconds. i tried yotsubato at one point but only made it a few chapters in because of the strange grammar. however, i didn't realize the reading guide was free, does that make it any better to get started with?

曲 of the day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4uBibShEK0

>>35669917
theyre just as overworked as japs but without the inherent humbleness

>>35669917
porn is banned in korea

>>35669905
2ch/5ch is the one that's a textboard. 2chan (also known as Futaba Channel) is the one that's an imageboard.

>>35669941
porn isn't banned in america, but americans online are pretty toxic.

fucked up how still no one knows what 2chan is

>>35669996
nobody cares, rusfag

>>35669996
yooooooooo

>>35670013
>rusfag
?

https://youtu.be/j1zqmS_q0zM?t=1713

how do i learn japanese like a woman

>>35670077
you cant
we just keep on losing for the rest of our lives

which of you was this?

>>35670154
ugliest vtuber ive ever seen

>>35670077
Find Nips who are trying to learn English (or your native language). Then talk to them and exchange tips.

she looks like a very shitty mix between roa and aloe the absolute state of hollow life and en vshitters
lmfao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9XDDY1XCZM
This woman says Russian is the world's most difficult language. Do you agree?

>>35670362
grammar wise that might be true
heard it has a lot of cases and shit

is this fine? 84% feels really shitty to me

>>35669922
ok yeah i have 2 months of free kindle unlimited
but seriously does anybody have any beginner recs? i mean i haven't looked THAT hard but i can't find anything i can properly read/read with a bit of effort
i don't want to try reading harry potter or something in japanese because, you know, it's just the meme of saying english shit in japanese

>>35670409
konosuba is pretty easy

>>35670401
if ure getting 92% on young how in the fuck do you have 84% on mature?

>>35670409
>does anybody have any beginner recs?
https://ttu-ebook.web.app/

read anything with yomichan

>>35670419
my brain is no good man idk

>>35670401
you need tscs or sentence cards, seeing the full sentence on the front after a 6 month interval does wonders

>>35670409
the bear isekai is as easy as you will get

>>35670433
all i can tell ya is to read and watch more + dont listen to this inbred >>35670437

>>35670418
huh, didn't expect that. i'll check it out, thanks
>>35670432
this looks super useful, danke schoen
>>35670442
kkk bear?

DJTers say Chinese is easy as fuck in comparison to Japanese, but according to Japanese people, Chinese is the world's most difficult language. Who's right?
http://j.people.com.cn/n3/2021/0520/c94475-9852146.html
https://www.tandem.net/ja/scariest-languages-halloween
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSDn4Kt2EFc

>>35670468
>according to Japanese people
the most difficult language for japanese people is english

>>35670446
>dont listen to this inbred >>35670437
tscs are the best card format

>>35670487
That's like saying Calculus is the most difficult college math course.

>>35670503
For some people it is.

>>35670497
>半濁点 on が

>>35670513
Because it's the only one they ever take.

>>35670523
yes

looks like i've redpilled at least 1 person on the か゚行

not that guy but ive had bidakuon and museion on my cards for 18 months

>>35670662
do you speak japanese?

do i speak japanese? no
know japanese? yes

>>35670456
agh what the fuck i completely forgot that amazon jp needed a second account, rip my kindle unlimited trial that i activated

>>35670748
how do you rip books anyways?

some days i feel like a nihongo god and other days i feel like wtf did i do with the last 3 years of my life oh my god lord no nooo!

>>35670741
based

>>35670819
from what i can tell you just download it in the kindle desktop app, import to calibre with deDRM, and then convert to whatever file type you want
that's what i said but i tried it with a book i already owned and deDRM is shitting up the process somehow. you can still download the books and remove the drm some other way though

>>35669854
i bet you linked a daily stormer disinfo article like you do here and in your matrix server

well deserved ban, if only the mods here would get rid of you too

>>35670908
yeah i tried deDRM too and it was a piece of shit plugin
tried it mostly with ebooks not from amazon though since i dont use that

>>35670912
>a daily stormer disinfo article
ask me how i know that you're gonna be the next vaccine victim

Today I learned Migi is right. Today my opinion of the Parasite Anime has shaken.

>>35671016
i had the vaccine already and didn't even feel anything

カルピスおいしい

なつだなあ

ain't summer without cow piss

>>35671046
> i'm a selfish worm and i don't care that people are dying every day.

i dont leave my house, so it would be selfish to get the vaccine
someone who needs it more than me should get that dose

>>35670819
>>35670908
>>35670942
ah, you also need the KFX Input plugin which is linked on the github page for deDRM
AND ALSO you need to run a .bat file to disable kfx downloads
i actually got it to work but goddamn that was a bitch
basically everything is in the github wiki for deDRM though

>>35671124
huh?

the anti-vaxxer here is you, not me pal

>>35667246
>ウーパールーパー
cute!

https://twitter.com/hashtag/なりきりさんと繋がりたい
have you guys seen this stuff?

>>35671180
so? more people get tricked into getting the deadly vaccine and die because people like you spread disinfo about no side effects.

>>35671216
take it to your matrix

let me go get a mrna vaccine and get myocarditis and be just as likely to die from delta variant on top of it
if the vaccine worked and 60% of the US was vaccinated we wouldnt see cases spiking like this
the only way to stay safe is avoid humans. there's no other way

can somebody tell me what this means? i don't understand the digital account settings part

お客様の現在のデジタルアカウント設定では、Kindle Unlimitedを購読することができません。

>>35669274
>grammar-learning ability remains strong until age 17 or 18, at which point it drops
fuck

>>35671246
you can't subscribe to Kindle Unlimited because of your current account settings.

>君が好きだと叫びたい

>>35669004
>stephen krashen told matt to his face that studying pitch accent is a waste of time and that we acquire it naturally.
he said the same thing about accents in general didn't he? and he's obviously and spectacularly fucking wrong about that. you know the input hypothesis doesn't have to apply to accents right? you can agree with him on language acquisition while not believing every single baseless claim he makes.

which is better kindle unlimited or the 読み放題 plan from book walker?

>>35671264
i mean i did get that, i was hoping somebody would know what that actually implied
i set up an amazon jp acc and added a card but i dunno why it won't actually let me sign up

>>35671274
>baseless
kys retard

>>35671283
bookwalker's got lots of good stuff, but i dunno what applies for 読み放題

>>35671283
the nyaa unlimited plan

>>35671216
people who have died from the pfizer vaccine: 5 in 177,000,000
people who die from covid: 3 in 100

hmm, hard to say which of these is worse innit

wonder how many thousands of people have died agonizing deaths because they believed nonsense that retarded conspiracy theorists like you spout online

>>35671293
i think you need a japanese vpn and a japanese mailing address for amazon.co.jp
you don't need one for honto or bookwalker, though.

>>35671303
more like the google放題 cuz by the time shit gets uploaded to nyaa..

>>35669111
yep true you should see how literal communists flood the talk/discussion pages for topics like intelligence and race and petition to get those pages removed. they've also successfully gotten legitimate studies removed on the basis that "these studies aren't endorsed by the mainstream." meanwhile they'll include "expert opinions" for environmentalism which are clearly contradicted by the data. one factor increasing the "legitimacy" of research in wikipedia's eyes are mainstream outlets writing about it. but obviously if sound research is controversial and points to a fact that journalists don't like, they typically won't publish articles about it. wikipedia system is fucked.

>>35671333
That's the dream.

>>35671303
maybe if I didn't live in japan. i have seen enough news stories about chinese in japan getting arrested to know that I shouldn't mess with that.

>>35671333
fuuuuuuuck

>>35671239
>>35671239
>let me go get a mrna vaccine and get myocarditis
you have a chance of less than a 1 in a million of being affected by this (it's not permanent either, you'd recover)
only 5 people in 177m doses have died as a result

>if the vaccine worked and 60% of the US was vaccinated we wouldnt see cases spiking like this
that's not how it works
look at hospitalizations and deaths vs where they were pre-vaccine with similar infection rates

Finally, vocabulary I can use.

>>35671346
>living in Japan
>not knowing enough Japanese to follow Amazon signup instructions and modify settings
Lad...

>>35671304
>people who have died from the pfizer vaccine: 5 in 177,000,000
The number of people who have died from the pfizer vaccine in japan is currently 1.93 deaths / 100,000 people vaccinated. the current rate of corona in tokyo is 1.5 cases / 100,000 residents. you can do whatever you want but as for me im going to hang tight until that new japanese vaccine is distributed.