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Umineko Pro-mystery thread Anonymous Fri Oct 16 22:58:01 2009 No.3559796 [Reply] [Original]

Currently at Arc 3.
First twlight - Can be explained in 3 ways.
First Thoery: Escaped through the boiler room to garden door which doesn't lock.
Second Thoery: Left one Door open and returned to it later and placed the key.
Third Thoery: Explained later..

Second Twlight: Rosa tried to Strangle Maria who died and fell on her mother which causes her to trip getting her head snared by the fence post.

I have a question for /jp/ Shannon has two deaths in Arc 3. She is killed in both the first twlight and dies in Georges arms.
Which death is the correct one?

Now because we are looking at the aftermath only We can say that she was killed in Georges arms and not in the first twlight (Which breaks the closed mentioned earliar).
We can assume that she was shot by the same culprit who shoot Rudolf Kyrie and Hideyoshi and that the bullet also struck George.

The only Issue with this is that they saw Shannons corpse...
What does /jp/ think regarding shannons death in Arc 3?
Which one happened and which one is fake?

Inb4 Crappy shoop, Did it in 15 minutes don't care too much about it. Just using it instead of Namefagging.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Fri Oct 16 22:59:01 2009 No.3559804 File: 65 KB, 520x470, anondoesnotforgive.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3559796

>>	Sakura !!sCKns1iPkwx Fri Oct 16 23:00:01 2009 No.3559805 Read Episode 4.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 23:02:01 2009 No.3559818 >>3559805 I have read episode 4, Arc 1 is very easily explained. I'm not gonna give Arc 2 a shot due to Piece Beatrice, Which only Kryie saw and you can't call her the culprit because She is killed...

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Anonymous Fri Oct 16 23:04:01 2009 No.3559825

>>3559818
Also you can't call her the original beatrice because she is dead, and if Kinzo had a child with that beatrice She would still be older, not only that she couldn't exist unless she lived in the other manshion Which of course cannot occur due to kinzo being dead.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 23:14:01 2009 No.3559866 >>3559825 If Shannon was alive the whole time that makes her pretty suspicious. Also Shannon's death means nothing unless declared in red as Sayo.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 23:30:01 2009 No.3559922 >>3559796 Wasn't it said in red that Rosa AND Maria were killed by other people? (Which implies what you proposed for the second twilight never happened?)

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 23:44:01 2009 No.3559982 >>3559922 Rosa was killed by Maria Maria was killed by Rosa They killed each other.

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Anonymous Sat Oct 17 00:02:01 2009 No.3560058

>>3559982
The red states that they were killed by OTHER people and not that they didnt commit suicide. Your allegation makes no sense.

Also, Nanjo and Eva could have killed rosa and maria as they dont have a alibi at all, the same could apply to almost everyone, we cant be sure that the adults were in the guesthouse at the time of the murder as we dont have neither battler with them nor we can believe in anything that isnt said in red.

This murder is too simple to solve.

>>	CurryButt !CIELBE/jzM Sat Oct 17 00:04:01 2009 No.3560067 File: 460 KB, 432x355, 8654986549435.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3559796

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat Oct 17 00:07:01 2009 No.3560083 >>3560067 DISPROVE IT EASY

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Anonymous Sat Oct 17 01:27:01 2009 No.3560419

>>3560058
Neither commited Suicide.
Rosa strangled her on purpose, when maria fell on her or pushed her She stumbled and got caught on the fence post.

Maria was found with marks around her neck, Rosa was struck in the face with the post with the back of her head struck to the front of her face.
That kind of placement would be extremely rare on an intentional strike (Minus pushing her onto it).

"Rosa and Maria were killed by other people"
Just because it says other people doesn't mean it isn't the other person.

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Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:18:01 2009 No.3560625

>>3560419
Rosa and Maria were killed by Rudolph. The meeting with 'Eva' in the garden was a red herring- they really did meet with Eva, who snuck out while Hideyoshi covered for her, but they were still alive when Eva left.

Kyrie is no fool, she should have easily been able to savvy to the fact that Rosa and Eva were acting odd. She told Rudolph about this, and then the two of them made a ruckus about how long Rosa and Maria had been gone. When he met them in the garden, they didn't suspect anything right up to the point he overpowered Rosa and slammed her head into the rail. After that Maria was easily dealt with.

Then the two of them isolated Hideyoshi in order to either kill him or convince him Eva was the one who killed the two (Kyrie had the cigarette butt as evidence Eva snuck out) but things went badly and they wound up in a shootout. I'm not sure which of the three survived (barely) and then went on to kill George and Nanjo. Natsuhi and Krauss were both strangled by a long, thin cord. Just a guess, but I kind of suspect Nanjo in that case.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:27:01 2009 No.3560652 >>3560625 So why wasn't Battler killed? What, they like him too much?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:30:01 2009 No.3560672 >>3560625 Someone has to be faking dead in episode 3... Jessica isn't the culprit... But all others are confirmed as dead... Kanon has a fake name... maybe that's it...

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Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:32:01 2009 No.3560679

>>3560652
Um, yeah. Though to be precise, they just didn't get around to the job anyway, being dead and all. But Eva took care of that herself anyway once she and Battler were the only ones left.

The real question that is on my mind is 'Who killed Jessica' and 'When'. When Battler and Eva stormed back into the parlor and found Jessica there, she's kind of overlooked during the whole scene when Eva shoots Battler. They never made it clear when she died, but I have the distinct impression she was already dead at that time. Did the same person who killed Nanjo follow her all the way to the parlor and kill her there, and THEN wander off to die? Or did they carry her there?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:34:01 2009 No.3560687 >>3560625 All of them were confirmed dead by Eva-beatrice...

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:34:01 2009 No.3560690 >>3560672 Kanon was confirmed dead in red at the first twilight. So was Shannon, and both of those are assumed names. In that case, you could say either of them, or both, could be faking their deaths in every game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:36:01 2009 No.3560694 >>3560679 This deaths are by far the hardest to look at. Because like the end of Arc 1 they are not shown not only that, the way they are found is in a completely grusome state.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:36:01 2009 No.3560699 >>3560687 Only after Nanjo was killed. If one of them was badly wounded, but killed Nanjo and maybe Jessica, then wandered off somewhere and died before Evatrice did her red web thing, things would still work out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:39:01 2009 No.3560706 >>3560690 Eva-beatrices red barrage is a pain in the ass to get around.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:46:01 2009 No.3560725 >>3560699 Honeslty I might have to say for the last deaths... Small bombs or Bombs were placed on the last remaining victims. and they were blown apart.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:48:01 2009 No.3560736 >>3560725 When they died it was decribed that they were almost indisguisable, isn't that how they decribe bomb attack victoms? Also a bomb isn't a trap if it isn't triggered remotely.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:54:01 2009 No.3560752 >>3560736 Or alternitivly a gun that fires bullets that explode once they enter the body...

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