/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>35343742
She got crucified...

>>35343742
Probably Sakuya

Patchoulio might be. Marisa mentioned she did a weird prayer in SSiB

>>35343742
Fuck off, christcuck. We don't need your jewish sect in the vibrant world of Touhou.

>>35343884
That was a shinto prayer, the retarded translator tralnsleted it into amen for whatever reason.

>>35343742
And?

>>35343742

>>35343742
>>35343925
Rumia is 100% confirmed Christian

>>35343742
Fuck off, anon. We don't want any crusaders in the lovely and peaceful land of Touhou

>>35349610
And she's sending anyone who gets near her to god!

>>35347876
chris-chan

>>35349961
ohohohoho

They interact with entities every single day that by their very existence disprove Christianity.

>>35343836
I do like this idea though, it would fit in well with the whole "ex-vampire hunter" theory.

>>35351523
Kami aren't really all that similar to the Judeo-Christian deity though, a hypothetical Christian in Gensokyo could just say they're some other supernatural entity. There are plenty of those in the Old Testament after all.

>>35351523
They didn't interact with nothing. Shinto is a form of social dinamic. It's amazing how they respect their local customs but that's all. No one believes nothing anymore.

What percent of Japanese were Christian when Gensokyo was shut off from the outer world?

>>35343925
>we
you're the only one here speaking like a crossie.

>>35343925
>We
You speak for yourself and nobody else.
Refrain from associating others with your delusions.

>>35343742
This looks inspired by Master of Puppets

>>35343742
>1%
thats way too much, im worried

>>35351556
>live in gensokyo
>interact with gods on a near daily basis
>is an atheist
What’s Sakuya’s reasoning behind this?

>>35356809
She's not obligated to have a faith

>>35354683
>A religion preaching about a single God
>In a land in which there are not just multiple supernatural spirits, but multiple gods and some amount of cursed gods

They just don't fit, anon.

>>35356830
I don't think christians would be that taken back by supernatural entities. If anything, the gods in Gensokyo would be just another set of being the Big God has created.
Either that or they just powerful beings that pretend to be gods. After all, the only proof of their divinity is that some people worship them...and their massive power levels, but that's nothing new in Gensokyo, where a human can kick a god's ass.

>>35357932
Chritfags deserve to be crucified

>>35343742
>>35347876
>>35352758
>>35354683
>>35357932
Mental illness

>>35347876
amen

>>35351604
>>35357932
Christianity usually rationalizes other spiritual entities as either angels or demons. There's no widespread neutral category like there is in, say, Islam. While forms of folk Christianity believed in a 'middle earth' inhabited by faerie folk and other sorts of sprites, these were usually considered demonic by church authorities and characterized as morally grey at the very best.
Whereas in Buddhism there's the 'Honji Suijaku' argument that deities are just skillful mean manifestations of various Buddha, no similar theory developed in mainstream Christianity.
The very closest you can get is perhaps Swedenborg's theology, but that basically entails applying honji suijaku to Buddhism which defeats the idea of a clear and final revelation/incarnation.

>>35357968
>>35357995
That's cute.
I still think they'd make a fine addition to the religious factions in Touhou, because of their foreign perspectives that still somehow kinda make sense in Gensokyo

Jesus is a dead zombie and is being devoured by vampire lolis

>>35343742
>1%
It's time to lower that number

>>35358077
>Jesuits convince Christian daimyo to persecute Buddhists in their territories and cheer them on
>Thousands of temples torched and monks executed
>Hideyoshi tells the Jesuits to end their mission and leave Japan
>Instead of leaving they scatter like rats and go into hiding
>Franciscans show up and are allowed to stay as long as they don't preach
>They do anyways
>Hideyoshi dies and Ieyasu allows the mission to reestablish in the cities for awhile, in the meantime Dominicans show up
>Anti-Buddhist purges still continuing in the lands of converted daimyo like in Bungo and Omura
>In 1600, William Adam's boat arrives
>Portuguese Jesuits do everything they can to keep Adams from meeting Ieyasu, even try to kill him and accuse him of theft
>When Ieyasu meets Adams he questions him about everything the Catholics would refuse to tell him
>Namely the wars going on in Europe and the differences of religion
>Afterwards Ieyasu immediately terms Catholicism 'a false and corrupt religion' and bans in entirely from the country

>>35358268
This

Although it would be nice if you didn't misuse the quotation function

>>35343742
Maribel?

>>35350191
Did he deserve his life to go the way it did?

>>35357995
all me

>>35343742
statistics are a fake cience

>>35357995
you forgot to quote yourself.

cringe abra/christcucks
based literally every other faith by comparison, even poocucks and buddhacucks

Suwako is very disappointed that the japanese people follow some gaijin religion instead of their native faith.

>>35371710
Stop talking like a kid with mental retardation

>>35352043
Around 0.7%, the meiji restoration happened a bit before the hakurei barrier existence in 1885

>>35378593
0.7% in all of Japan (mainly in the west, near Nagasaki). Gensokyo is in Nagano Province, where there were probably no Christians at the time.

It's incredible how anti-Christian our contemporary culture is. If you tell someone you are studying Taoism or going to a Buddhist temple, they think you're a cool person with philosophical interests. But if you tell them you are interested in Christianity they recoil in horror.

Why is this? Because Christianity is dangerous. It has the power to change your life. If you start looking into it, before you know it, you will be attending potlucks, performing charitable works for your community, and even raising children with a wife who loves you.

>>35382063
>contemporary
The Japanese always hated you and for a good reason

>>35382063
More like you will start killing innocent people, because they don't share your faith, you will try to take over government and state institutions so you could enforce your religious norms on everyone and you will be beating your wife - every good christian husband beats his wife.

japanese pop culture christianity is way more fun than real christianity

just put a million crosses on everything and call it a day

>>35382063
Christians hunting buddhists and shinto during sengoku and early edo was a serious thing, it's a good thing they were extincted in japan until meiji restoration, since then and even now they behave, but before that they were literal monsters and no theological or phylosophycal thing can justify that

>>35380667
So hipotetically gensokyo christians during the activation of the barrier in absolute numbers should be 5 or less

>>35382492
Buddhists did that too

>>35383880
Not on the scale the christians did, but yes. Your point being?

>>35383880
Yes, theravada and early tibetan branches, japanese zen school was and still the most pacifist school of buddhism, in the same way we have japan relationship with eastern orthodoxy, only the western church fucked up everything

>>35343742
There is possible evidence for Nestorian Christianity existing in Japan before the Portuguese which was forgotten quickly after it was introduced, if so they are prime targets for gensokyo. Same with the ‘hidden Christians’.

As for esoteric/occult Christianity, Japs really like Rosicrucian stuff and keep referring to media, but Christianity is already rare in Japan (and esoteric Christianity is very underground and rarely known even in the Christian west) so if there was ever a Japanese Christian occultist - they would be far forgotten and have a reserved place in Gensokyo.

>>35349775
Sariel

>>35351523
No, lower spirits not aligned with God were accepted to exist even in monotheistic second temple judaism. Pagan gods are called the Shedim vy Jews.

God is supposed to be the higher-reality, source and true creator - thus the only ‘true God’. Other deities wouldn't disprove that, since they would be spirits worshiped as deities inevitably created by God. Also, there is the whole thing with the heavenly host.

>>35356830
Hindus also believe in God, Zoroastrianism is also comparable. Monotheism is a later category, Christianity and Judaism only posit that only God is should be worshiped and that God is the true source/higher-reality/creator. Early Christians didn’t deny that pagan gods existed as demons or spirits.

>>35358022
>these were usually considered demonic by church authorities
And? Not everything they say applies to the inherit and core ideas of the religion, the point is that it’s compatible that God and kami both exist.

kuso thread

>>35356830
There are other gods in the bible, but they are not in the same category as Yahweh. The god of Israel exists outside of time and space and is not bound by the rules of our universe. The gods of other nations are lesser beings who are part of this world, and are therefore restrained by time and other natural laws. The gods of Gensokyo belong to this latter category.

>>35382063
A miko using a magic circle of the Tetragrammaton is a funny image

A mixture of Shintoism and non-dogmatic Christianity/Gnosticism would be an interesting thing to muse about for a hypothetical alternate universe, I could easily imagine the bigger kami being reimagined as aeons, lower kami possibly being reimagined as angels and first 3 Kami of creation being reinterpreted as 3 material emanations of God with links to Kabbalah (and such stuff as ain, ain soph etc.). It’s an interesting hypothetical religion to muse about.

>>35382497
Depends on the type of real Christianity

>>35343742
To my understanding (and therefore my headcanon), Gensokyo is where things go when they are lost, forgotten, and no longer have any place in this world. The gods that came to Gensokyo did so because their time was limited, with fewer and fewer followers coming to the shrines to give their faith.
Christianity is one of the major religions in this world. That alone means it does not belong in Gensokyo. There is more than enough believers placing their faith in Jesus and God that they would not have to move to Gensokyo or worry about completely fading from existence.

>>35343742
Koakuma is a western demon, so she must by extension believe in at least JudeoChristian God, if not Christ.

>>35384599
What about Gnosticism?

>>35358032
There is this symbolic image of a beheaded Christ, he has a snake drooping from him, and his blood is pouring into the holy grail. I was about to post it in reply, but I can’t find it.

>>35358268
Who are you quoting?

>>35384660
Forgotten, went to Gensokyo, and died there. Like how the Hakurei shrine gets no visitors and the Hakurei god is gone.
I could go all day about my headcanon Touhou philosophy, but I'm tired now and I wrote that post while tipsy so it will have holes in it. I'm also at the point where I can't tell what is canon, popular amongst the fandom, or just from some weird doujins I read years ago.
Like I said Gensokyo is a place for all the things that have been lost and forgotten in this world, but it's more of like a second lease on life for those things. The humans in Gensokyo are from a time long ago and have remained fairly stagnant the whole time. They worship the gods and spirits there, giving them the faith they need to exist. The children they raised, and their children's children, will continue to do the same. Fairies are a whole other ordeal, being tied to the existence of whatever they are a fairy of.

>>35385555
>Sophia is in gensokyo

>>35384649
She doesn't believe in anything, she is naturally satanic.

>>35384445
Osuk post

>>35384649
>she must by extention believe in at least ...
I still need to find that doujin. Why did I not save a LINK

>>35382063
Preach it, brother, these wannabe shinto-ists will never be Japanese.

>>35399421
And you will never be a woman.

>>35399421
>wannabe shinto-ists
Said a jewish LARPer

I wish this was just a Yumemi thread.

>>35404179
Same. Yumemi threads are always hijacked by christian LARPers

>>35409025
You don't have to add fuel to the fire, just take it easy.

>>35409325
Okay

>>35409025
We are Esoteric Christian LARPers thank you very much

>>35409025
I'm sorry to mess up your thread. I just get mad when people say such terrible things about me and my people and feel like I have to respond. Here have a Yumemi.

>>35413657
>when people say such terrible things about me and my people
Completely deserved.

Here have a Yumemi.

>>35409025
>LARPers
you guys bring it up every (in recent) thread.

>>35383986
Don't move goalposts.
In recent years, more people have died in some connection to Islam. You see what it's doing to Europe yet you want to continue bashing Christianity while claiming history is being lost and your country is changing right before your eyes.

>>35424254
What are you on about? Literally no one in this thread has brought up Islam before. Of course, muslims are as bad or even worse than christians, but we were not talking about muslims.

>>35369117
No, also the internet basically destroyed him mentally.

This whole thread turned into shit show real fast.

>>35425407
Every Yumemi thread is like that

>>35425258
Both killed people, that's that. You went on to allude that Christians did so to a larger scale as a rebuttal. Yeah, no shit. It doesn't change the fact that both killed people, and if you look at modern day, you'd see that some other religion is going around and killing people as well. Killing is killing regardless of the scale.

>>35347876
Pray for me, Sister Rumia

>>35382063
Remember, there will be a weeping and a gnashing of teeth. ;)

>>35427324
Of course, the religion of love and forgiveness can only gather followers through fear and visions of hell. ;)

The real redpill is that all Touhou characters are Christian

>>35427324
How to argue like a christian: when you ran out of arguments, threaten them with eternal punishment in hell.

Your god is really merciful and just , isn't he. So merciful and just that he tortures people who don't worship him for all eternity.

>>35427878
>redpill
Get out and take your crossie lingo with you.

>>35427955
>posts a vvitch
Hrrrmmm it would appear I am in the right

>>35343742
Why are christians so obsessed with inserting their religion everywhere?

>>35427973
Do you know where you are, crossboarder?

Here's a lewd Iesua Nazarenus from "The Last Comer". Why don't you people stop pointlessly arguing and just fap to her?

>>35427878
>redpill
Disgusting crossie go back
>>>/v/

>>35343742
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martinism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Knight-Masons_Elect_Priests_of_the_Universe
What does /jp/ think of Martinism?

>>35433806
The Masons? Not much at all. I never gave it thought.

>>35435745
They aren’t masons, though they came out of 17th century freemasonry. Basically, it’s a form of Christian mysticism which uses ritual magic to talk to angels and fight demons among other stuff.

>>35433806
Ficino, Agrippa, John Dee and of course the Golden Dawn lot were all interesting instances of Christian magic as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyi0refBGWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns9zLz1x-y4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLgBPNEU9E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHwjM6ijuOs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APQn6M3gJcY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWoparZ1xqg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2meS9-YGYhU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEwK1dmco3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbxtuG6RT0w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAiozL9ASDQ

>>35438264
What about the orthodox christian magic?

>>35438482
Martinism is/was pretty popular in Russia, and I guess there are plenty of folk magical practices, but I am not knowledgeable on eastern Christian history.

>>35438514
https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/bfm%3A978-1-4020-3487-9%2F1.pdf

I think Rasputin was rumoured to have Rosicrucian/Martinist ties.

>>35343925
Based. 2hu doesn't need Abrahamic rapefugees like Europe and America.

>>35343742
It could work if they make Christ a cute girl and Yahweh a big titty milf who start another incident in Gensokyo by claiming to be the true "creators" and begin crucifying villagers because they're insane. Then they get btfo by Reimu, making Christ another neet pet and Yahweh yet another mommy 2hu who gets bullied by Yukari constantly. But as we know, christcucks would seethe and probably try to cancel 2hu because "muh religion" so it's best to leave out anything Abrahamic in general.

>>35438646
This. All other religious figures are depicted like that, so it would only make sense for chritian Touhous to be also depicted in such a way. But christians demand special treatment, like always.

>>35356830
Most polytheistic gods would fit into the category of Christian saints rather nicely. If a medieval monk somehow ended up in Gensokyo there's nothing stopping him from considering the local gods to be either local saints or demons depending on their demeanor.

Christianity as a whole is hardly a monolithic faith. Its views would differ from branch to branch and even practitioner to practitioner.

>>35438646
>>35438685
You guys do realise that the idea of a supreme creator God isn’t exclusive to abrahamic religions? People are stupid to assume that abrahamic religion came out purely of a zealous worship of Yahweh, the modern abrahamic isn’t even exclusively Yahweh (but an amalgamation of previous gods), it came out because of the influence of henotheistic and monotheistic (atenism) ideas from elsewhere.

>>35442436
Oh yeah, and the Chinese believed in their local conception of God before the atheistic Buddhism came along and forced them to gimp it to ‘Heaven’ instead of ‘God’

>>35438646
>But as we know, christcucks would seethe and probably try to cancel 2hu because "muh religion" so it's best to leave out anything Abrahamic in general.
Holy fuck play SMT, it’s the most blasphemous thing and even worse than what you described, and even Christians play it

>>35438685
Hindus get pretty pissed if you portray their religion inaccurately as well
>>35442403
Religion really is more like a spectrum than people realise, maybe ‘spectrum’ isn’t the best word but it isn’t hard set and simple.

>>35442533
Pretty much this. Personally, I would like to read a fic about someone like Saint Augustine or Thomas Aquinas ending up in Gensokyo (via Yukari's gap BS or other means).

As for the thread topic, I'd say Patchouli at least has some knowledge on Christian and western theology in general since she practices alchemy and Koakuma is clearly styled after western demons. In general, most western things in 2hu come from the SDM cast.

>>35443140
>Saint Augustine or Thomas Aquinas
Two worst philosophers of all time.

>>35443294
I meant an educated Christian from the middle ages in general. I haven't read either of them very much so I can't really comment on their philosophy.

>>35428195
>The Last Comer
Ah, the temptation to make a pun with that name with an infamous and hated word from infamous and hated boards

>>35449416
No

>>35449416
No

>>35384445
No

>>35358032
It's hilarious how much Christianity triggers edgelords.

>>35382349
Oda Nobunaga like Christianity.
He even had a Christian debate a Buddhist and laughed when the Christan won the debate.

>>35384056
>japanese zen school was and still the most pacifist school of buddhism
I see you don't know your Japanese history.
Look up Sōhei and how much power they had over Japan. They're even considered the eastern equivalent of Crusaders.

>>35428047
The Holy Bible literally tells Christians them to spread the gospel everywhere.
This is basic knowledge.

>>35438646
You are full of impotent rage.
Why would this be?

>>35442403
Orthadox Christianity Theosis/Apotheosis is Deification.
For Orthodoxy the goal of every Christian. Man, according to the Holy Bible, is 'made in the image and likeness of God.'. . . It is possible for man to become like God, to become deified, to become god by grace.

Pretty much all Christians according to Orthadox Christianity can become gods.

>>35438685
Islam, Hinduism, Theravada Buddhism, Sikhism, Tengrianism and others are like that too.

>>35343742
Funny enough even though Japan is only 1% Christian. There have been eight Christian Prime Ministers in Japan.

>>35450815
Same general shtick as western Christian hermeticism

>>35382900
And yet it was Muslim wars of conquest that pushed Buddhism east and dimishied it in its native land.
Afghanistan used to be Buddhist and the Muslims killed them all and even pushed as far as Tibet.
The Persian traveller Al Biruni's memoirs suggest Buddhism had vanished from Ghazni (Afghanistan) and medieval Punjab region (northern Pakistan) by early 11th century.
Hundreds of Buddhist monasteries and shrines were destroyed, Buddhist texts were burnt by the Muslim armies, monks and nuns killed during the 12th and 13th centuries in the Gangetic plains region.
The chronicler of Shahubuddin Ghori's forces records enthusiastically about attacks on the monks and students and victory against the non-Muslim infidels. The major centers of Buddhism were in north India and the direct path of the Muslim armies. As centers of wealth and non-Muslim religions they were targets. Buddhist sources agree with this assessment. Taranatha in his History of Buddhism in India of 1608, gives an account of the last few centuries of Buddhism, mainly in Eastern India. Mahayana Buddhism reached its zenith during the Pala dynasty period, a dynasty that ended with the Islamic invasion of the Gangetic plains.
Even now in Burma, Buddhist and Muslims are fighting each other.

>>35451119
Hermeticism does not claim humans can become gods only that it was closely associated with the idea of a primeval, divine wisdom, revealed only to the most ancient of sages.

>>35343742
Oh great, instead of talking about the actual religions we pity-wank ourselves by recounting the terrible things certain people under certain religions did. As if that changes anything for us now.
>>35451127
But in the end Sufism>Buddhism

>>35451251
/jp/ only wants to talk about Buddhism, Taoism and Shintoism while just demonizing everything else.
It's was inevitable.

>>35451305
Funnily enough, if Buddhism never came to Japan and China then Japanese religion would surely be henotheistic

>>35451305
>/jp/ only wants to talk about Buddhism, Taoism and Shintoism
Good

>>35450667
>>35450730
>>35450749
>>35451127
>>35451305
Touhou mainly focuses on east asian spirituality. Western religions just don't fit within the climate of Gensokyo.

>>35452113
Touhou is basically heavily inspired by SMT, and SMT is in itself gnostic, except Touhou focuses on Eastern stuff and little girls. Well, more specifically than eastern stuff - eastern stuff that has influenced Japan. ‘God’ is still very much a presence in eastern spirituality and Far Eastern spiritual history, the topic of a ‘supreme God’ is something Touhou avoids.

>>35452113
>>35452223
Oh, you said East Asian instead of eastern, but my entire post still stands.

>>35450730
Christians are an invasive species.

>>35452442
So are Buddhists

>>35452510
Buddhists are some of the only people who aren't actively trying to convert others to their faith. They don't forcibly try to convert to their faith like say Christians.

>>35452535
Like say every Abrahamic religion exept judaism.

>>35452535
If you look at the history of Buddhism, your statement isn’t true.
> Buddhists are some of the only people who aren't actively trying to convert others to their faith.
But they literally are trying, that’s how it spread you fucking dumbass, they want to convert people to relive as much suffering as possible? There is nothing wrong with trying to convert people, actually it’s a good thing since it shows the followers care about their religion and the salvation of others, though there is obviously something wrong with trying to do it forcefully and violently.

>>35452596
>relive as much suffering as possible?
Relieve as much suffering as possible.

>>35343742
>"No science yields greater proof of the divinity of Christ than magic and the Kabbalah";
- Giovanni Pico della Mirandola

>>35452510
>>35452596
That's why Taoism is better.

>>35452535
Everything that Buddhism does, Hinduism did better, Buddhism is a gay atheistic school that got way too popular. Buddha didn’t even understand what God meant to theist, and instead created this massive strawman my ‘the Great Brahma’ (a figure similar more so to the gnostic demiurge than any respectable conception of God) to stupidly try to prove there was no God but instead makes a fool out of himself.

>>35343742
I would recommend finding a common ground between eastern and western ideas, but the last time that happened that Blavatsky-bitch created an unholy abomination so...

>>35452645
The Holy Inquisition would like to have a word with you

>>35452596
Proselytizing is not accepted in most Buddhist schools, mate. Buddha taught his followers to respect other faiths and religions, not to change their religious views. There were Buddhist missionaries and monks in the past who would travel East Asia in an attempt to proselytize but that's discouraged and isn't a Buddhist tradition.

>>35452725
Ficino was a Catholic priest who openly wrote a book on theurgical magic (which he practiced), supporting it and instructing on how to practice it, he was eventually trialed for heresy but somehow succeeded and got away with it.

Pico was less lucky, having to flee Italy for a while.

>>35452742
I don’t believe for one second that Buddhism did not pass around without proselytising, don’t be so naive. As for religious respect, Buddha called a bunch of Brahmins idiots for wanting to unite with God.

>>35384549
Looks like Judaism to me.

>>35427878
The mascot and main character of this franchise is a literal Shinto priestess, retarded crossposter.

>>35452939
No shit, did you really take his post unironically?

>>35451305
as it should be

>>35450749
Seems like the truth offended you.

>>35450691
Nobunaga was not a religious person and never liked priests, regardless of religion, that tried to interfere with his campaign. He even said that he would cut down God if it decided to get in his way. He had respect for certain Christian missionaries not because he liked the religion, but because of their determination to spread belief and control the world which was similar to his own desire to global conquest.

>>35450691
Nobunaga was not a religious person and never liked priests, regardless of religion, that tried to interfere with his campaign. He even said that he would cut down God if it decided to get in his way. He had respect for certain Christian missionaries not because he liked the religion, but because of their determination to spread their belief across the globe despite the risks, to which he saw similarities with his own desire for global conquest.
The funny reality was that despite how blasphemous Nobunaga was, Buddhist priests in his opposition were seriously annoyed by how successful his campaign was going and that it seemed the Gods fully supported the Oda.

>>35450691
Nobunaga was not a religious person and never liked priests, regardless of religion, that tried to interfere with his campaign. He even said that he would cut down God if it decided to get in his way. He had respect for certain Christian missionaries not because he liked the religion, but because of their determination to spread their belief across the globe despite the risks, to which he saw similarities with his own desire for global conquest. The only reason he encouraged Christianity was as a political move to hinder the influence of Buddhist temples, whose warrior monks were the biggest obstacle between him and Kyoto.
The funny reality was that despite how blasphemous Nobunaga was, Buddhist priests in his opposition were seriously annoyed by how successful his campaign was going and that it seemed the Gods fully supported the Oda.

>>35443486
Hmmm cannot talk on that Tom fellow, but Augustine became a christian because he wasn't smart enough to advance in Manicheanism.

>>35450705
Most sohei to my knowledge were tendai buddhists. All the big power bases for warrior monks like Enryakuji and Miidera were tendai temple complexes.

>>35347876
the only acceptable anime girl

>>35453506
Your delusions and seething aren't truth.

>>35452535
Wrong.
Buddhism was mainly transmitted to other countries by missionaries, scholars, trade, emigration, and communication networks
When I got to China the Buddhist and Taoist fought.
When it got to Japan the Buddhist and Shinto fought.
You need to stop pulling shit out of your ass and presenting it as fact.

>>35453385
Buddhism is an Indian religion foreign to China and Japan.

>>35453945
Nobunaga hated Buddhism considered Buddhism a threat to his power in Japan. His efforts to unify Japan sparked resistance among the Ikkō sect, and in 1580 Nobunaga destroyed their chief temple-fortress, Ishiyama Hongan-ji, rendering Japan's Buddhist population politically powerless until after his death.

>>35452535
Wrong.
Buddhism was mainly transmitted to other countries by missionaries, scholars, trade, emigration, and communication networks
When It got to China the Buddhist and Taoist fought.
When it got to Japan the Buddhist and Shinto fought.
You need to stop pulling shit out of your ass and presenting it as fact.

>>35456424
The Japanese took Buddhism, modified it and it became a part of Japanese culture. Abrahamic religion did not become a part of the culture which is the main difference.

>>35452742
Why for instance would Moheyan have taken on Kamalaśīla in the eighth century Samye/Lhasa debates if it wasn’t about gaining converts to the Right Way?

>>35456697
Nishiari who was among the leaders of the charge to sign on to the Meiji government’s national evangelization program, and who spent years travelling the country with that program teaching not even Zen orthodoxy but a State-mandated ideology of the subservience of Zen to the Emperor, and the Buddhist truth of reverence for the imperial nation. Nishiari who – as religious missionaries always and everywhere have, and whose Japanese coreligionists in Korea and elsewhere were also doing at the time – eagerly aided the government’s colonization efforts by pioneering Soto Zen in the newest-claimed reaches of the Japanese empire.
It was a Japanese state Buddhist that came up with Hakkō ichiu.
That it was Japan's destiny to rule the world and Suzuki Roshi, who crossed the ocean for the express purpose of missionizing in the U.S. to raise Americans’ esteem for Japan? From Shaku Sōen, who vigorously promoted Buddhism in Chicago at the 1893 World Parliament of Religions and went on to spend years spreading the word to the West about the excellence of Zen.

>>35456697
If that was true then Kirishitan would not be a thing and before the Tokugawa shogunate banned it.
Japan had the highest number of converts at the time even higher than China and India.

>>35456697
>Abrahamic religion did not become a part of the culture which is the main difference.
Anon, do you realise what Catholicism is?

>>35456697
>The Japanese took Buddhism, modified it and it became a part of Japanese culture. Abrahamic religion did not become a part of the culture which is the main difference.
That’s exactly what happened in Europe with Christianity, that’s exactly how it was so successful (by adapting itself), everyone talks about it) - how do you think Christmas came about?

>>35456504
>Buddhist and Taoist fought
False. Many Taoists opened Buddhists with open arms. Buddhism was considered to be something akin to a foreign verison of Taoism. When Buddhists text were first translated into chinese, translators used a lot of Taoist vocabulary. Taoism and Buddhism were intermingling each other and exchanging ideas.
Sure, there were some tensions, but it wasn't anything too violent. And, unlike in Touhou, Taoists've never burned Buddhists temples, unlike christians.

>>35458721
Buddhism was literally banned in China at one point, along with Christianity because they thought Christianity was a heresy of Buddhism somehow

>>35459411
Banned because China wanted to preserve itself from its foreign influence no less

The world would have been a better place if the Abrahamic cancer-plague remained in the region of the Levant and Arabia. Sure, some traditions would have developed monotheism in some form, but it wouldn't be about some schizos with a messiah complex and power tripping merchant bedouins who based their religions on the myths and traditions of an ethno-religion. Abrahamic religions only bastardize cultures and traditions in the best scenario, or completely eradicate them in the worst scenario, and the best examples of western "christian" and oriental "islamic" cultures have roots in pre-abrahamic cultures.

>>35459803
Did anyone ask for your worthless neopagan opinion?

>>35459803
>and the best examples of western "christian" and oriental "islamic" cultures have roots in pre-abrahamic cultures.

That just goes against everything you said in your previous post, you argued against yourself. This is the most bullshit part of your post, because of you show any feasible proof of Christian culture you’ll just deflect that by falsely claiming it’s not Christian culture because it has influences from elsewhere. There is no possible way for a culture to not have non-abrahamic roots, and if there was then you would complain that they eradicated the culture, you set up your post in such a slimy bullshitty way that you ‘’’’’’win‘’’’’’ no matter what I say - fuck you. Your entire post is fallacy bullshit, fuck you.

>>35460167
Seething abrahamtard. Your default state is full of anger and contempt towards everything.
>you set up your post in such a slimy bullshitty way that you ‘’’’’’win‘’’’’’ no matter what I say - fuck you.
lol cry more faggot

>>35460400
>Your default state is full of anger and contempt towards everything.
You are the one seething at a whole set of religions, I am seething at your stupidity.

>>35343742
When discussing religions, please talk about the actual core ideas of the religion and not what people who followed the religion did or anything like that.

>>35460571
You're free to point out where in my post I wrote in such way where it seemed like I was seething. I just wrote the truth without getting emotional like you. You're the one getting all angry over me somehow "setting up" my post that I always win.

>>35460733
>You're free to point out where in my post I wrote in such way where it seemed like I was seething.
>if the Abrahamic cancer-plague
> some schizos with a messiah complex and power tripping merchant bedouins
> Abrahamic religions only bastardize cultures and traditions in the best scenario, or completely eradicate them in the worst scenario,

>>35460754
>>if the Abrahamic cancer-plague
Always called it that with no emotional attachment to the term. It's true. It spread like a plague and grows like a cancer.
>> some schizos with a messiah complex and power tripping merchant bedouins
Jesus wanted to be the Messiah and if he was alive today he'd be no different than the countless schizos claiming to talk to God or being the son of God. Same applies to Muhammad except he's more manipulative and powee hungry than a schizo like Jesus.
>> Abrahamic religions only bastardize cultures and traditions in the best scenario, or completely eradicate them in the worst scenario,
? I fail to see the lie or overdramatization in this

>>35460850
>Jesus wanted to be the Messiah and if he was alive today he'd be no different than the countless schizos claiming to talk to God or being the son of God.
The main difference is that Jesus has the balls to do it in a time where he would certainly be killed for it, it’s a miracle he even survived as long as he did.

>>35460850
>Always called it that with no emotional attachment to the term. It's true. It spread like a plague and grows like a cancer.
You literally seethe at Christianity and Islam and use a false anonogly fallacy to cope. Your whole argument is based off your emotions.
The Japanese dont do that. They think it's cool and participate in certain Christian traditions because they find it beautiful even if they themselves aren't religious.
Born Shinto, Marry Christian, Die Buddhist.

>>35460850
>Always called it that with no emotional attachment to the term. It's true. It spread like a plague and grows like a cancer.
You literally seethe at Christianity and Islam and use a false analogy fallacy to cope. Your whole argument is based off your emotions.
The Japanese dont do that. They think it's cool and participate in certain Christian traditions because they find it beautiful even if they themselves aren't religious.
Born Shinto, Marry Christian, Die Buddhist.

>>35460850
>I fail to see the lie or overdramatization in this
You ignore Buddhism did the same thing but make excuses for Buddhism.
Most Buddhist traditions are borrowed from Hinduism and the various cultures that adopted it.
The Greeks are the ones that gave a face to Buddhism.
Heracles was adopted to represent Vajrapāni. He is worshiped in the Shaolin Monastery, in Tibetan Buddhism and in Pure Land Buddhism (where he is known as Mahasthamaprapta and forms a triad with Amitābha and Avalokiteśvara). Manifestations of Vajrapāni can also be found in many Buddhist temples in China, Taiwan and Japan as Dharma protectors guarding monastery and temple gates. Vajrapāni is also associated with Acala, where he is serenaded as the holder of the vajra.

>>35460850
>Jesus wanted to be the Messiah and if he was alive today he'd be no different than the countless schizos claiming to talk to God or being the son of God. Same applies to Muhammad except he's more manipulative and powee hungry than a schizo like Jesus.
This whole argument reeks of opinionated butthurt and not fact.
(1) misrepresenting views they want to refute
That's called a strawman.
(2) misrepresenting the nature of the problem you are addressing.
That's called false dilemma.

>>35461994
>participate in certain Christian traditions
Anon, Christmas or Easter are no longer christian "traditions", they were commercialised. Nowadays Christmas is a celebration of capitalism and Coca-Cola.

>>35462463
Yes, but it also depends on where you live really

>>35343742
Just dropping by to recommend you all to read this book

Thx

>>35462463
>Easter are no longer christian "traditions"
Maybe in America but it's still very Christian in Europe and Australia.
Not to mention Japanese are very into black gospel music and chapels.

>>35462572
>it's still very Christian in Europe
It's not

>>35462608
Probably talking about Eastern Europe

>>35452113
>Western religions just don't fit within the climate of Gensokyo.
Hecatia just proved you wrong.

>>35461994
>They think it's cool and participate in certain Christian traditions because they find it beautiful even if they themselves aren't religious.
They think that the western commercialized American holiday known as Christmas is cool, not the Christian one that was borrowed from the winter solstice.
>>35462043
As it was shown in Japan (and in other east asian cultures), Buddhism was less hostile to the traditions it spread to compared to Christianity ans Buddhism. Plus, just as you said, Greeks gave face to Buddhism. Buddhism would have been far more preferable for Eurasia in its entirety than Abrahamism due to many of the original influences and higher chances of syncreticism with native practices. Not related to Buddhism but the Shinto wind god was also taken from Greeks indirectly back when they reached Central Asia and India.

>>35462667

>As it was shown in Japan (and in other east asian cultures), Buddhism was less hostile to the traditions it spread to compared to Christianity ans Buddhism.
Christianity and Islam*

>>35462688
Buddhism made China, Mongolians and Korea forget God and become atheistic (Hindu definition), I can’t forgive them for that. Confucianism should never be without God as part of its philosophy, yet they dragged its sad zombie out.

>>35462719
Buddhism isn't strictly atheistic. It is okay with the existence of a Supreme God but leaves it at that since anything else isn't worth talking about.

>>35462667
>They think that the western commercialized American holiday known as Christmas is cool, not the Christian one that was borrowed from the winter solstice.
He is referring to how Japanese marry in a fucking church retard

>>35462667
>They think that the western commercialized American holiday known as Christmas is cool, not the Christian one that was borrowed from the winter solstice.
They go to Church choirs and enjoy Latin church singing and hymns.
>As it was shown in Japan (and in other east asian cultures), Buddhism was less hostile to the traditions it spread to compared to Christianity and Buddhism.
Buddhism was hostile and the Sōhei prove it.
Emperor Taiwu of Northern Wei, a devout Taoist who followed the Northern Celestial Masters, was fighting the Xiongnu rebel Gai Wu. During the campaign, weapons were located in Buddhist temples, and he therefore believed that Buddhists were against him. With encouragement from his also devoutly Taoist prime minister Cui Hao, Emperor Taiwu ordered Buddhism abolished under penalty of death, and slaughtered the Buddhists in the Guanzhong region, the center of Gai's rebellion.
In 574 and again in 577, Emperor Wu had Buddhist images destroyed and their clergy returned to lay life. He believed the temples had become too rich and powerful, so he confiscated their land and gave it to his own soldiers.
In 845, Taoist Emperor Wuzong of the Tang Dynasty initiated the "Great Anti-Buddhist Persecution" in an effort to appropriate war funds by stripping Buddhism of its financial wealth and to drive "foreign" influences from China. Wuzong forced all Buddhist clergy into lay life or into hiding and confiscated their property.
A report from the late 920s, on heretical Buddhist believers, comments that “sometimes Buddhist clergy and laity are ignorant and thoughtless. Men and women live together illicitly, forming themselves into groups, gathering at night and dispersing at dawn, speciously proclaiming and handing down a ‘Buddhist law society’ [fa-huai], clandestinely being loose in their morals.” An edict in 1035 offered a substantial reward, thirty strings of cash, to anyone who was able to seize such sectaries or who informed on them leading to their capture.

>>35462752
This depends on the doctrines**

>>35462755
>retard
Strong word for an unironic christian

>>35462752
List me a single buddhist area that was theistic before Buddhism and continues to be theistic during Buddhism, maybe Gnosticism explains how Buddhism and a supreme God can be compatible but Buddhists tend to rule out God all together .

>>35462772
>They go to Church choirs and enjoy Latin church singing and hymns
I also enjoy latin choirs. Doesn't change the fact that I hate your jewish death cult

>>35458721
>implying
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huichang_Persecution_of_Buddhism

>>35462782
I am sorry, but I don’t see how my religion makes me not allowed to swear. I am not a pussy reactionary.

>>35462803
I am saying that you need to be mentally ill to be a christian

>>35462799
Cool it with the anti-semitism
>death cult
Makes it cooler

>>35462806
Yes, I am a schizo esoteric. I take that and I wear it proudly. Overt sanity is not good for spirituality.

>>35462800
Good. But they should've wiped out Buddhism completely

>>35462772
>In 845, Taoist Emperor Wuzong of the Tang Dynasty initiated the "Great Anti-Buddhist Persecution" in an effort to appropriate war funds by stripping Buddhism of its financial wealth and to drive "foreign" influences from China. Wuzong forced all Buddhist clergy into lay life or into hiding and confiscated their property.
Funny how they also expelled Christians during that time, because they thought that for some reason Christianity was a heresy of Buddhism

>>35343742
I wonder how you guys would react to Manichaeism

Remider that Taoism>some bald indian monks

>>35462772
>They go to Church choirs and enjoy Latin church singing and hymns.
Just like how countless of weebs cum over Jap spiritual shit.
>text
That text just talks about how Taoists and Buddhists were hostile.
>>35462788
From what I've read about Buddhism and cultures that adopted Buddhism, theism as in the belief in deities that are worshipped still exists. In varying degress of course, but the irreligion of China, Korea and Japan isn'r solely due to Buddhism.

>>35460167
>There is no possible way for a culture to not have non-abrahamic roots
delusional

>>35462880
>theism as in the belief in deities that are worshipped still exists
That’s not what I mean by theism, that’s polytheism not theism

>>35462752
In Buddhism, the term anattā or anātman refers to the doctrine of "non-self", that there is no unchanging, permanent self, soul or essence in living beings.
Buddhism, from its earliest days, has denied the existence of the "self, soul" in its core philosophical and ontological texts. In its soteriological themes, Buddhism has defined nirvana as that blissful state when a person, amongst other things, realizes that he or she has no self, no soul.

>>35462883
I am a Christian and I know that monotheism only came about after the Babylonian captivity

>>35462898
?
Polytheism is a type of theism. You're talking about monotheism.

>>35462898
Theism is not only monotheism. This is your brain on Abrahamism.

>>35462799
Jews hate Christianity and a death cult assumes they worship death and don't frown on suicide.
You're butthurt by Christianity, it's okay.
But the Japanese are not.

>>35462918
What does this have to do with anything?

>>35462806
That's just how you cope.

>>35462937
>But the Japanese are not
Because they don't know the corrupting force of christianity yet.

>>35462924
>>35462936
Theism in the context of Hinduism means a belief in the Supreme God, monotheism isn’t the only type of theism, there is henotheism (many gods with God also existing), pantheism, panentheism, transtheism etc,

>>35462936
This is your brain on seething.

>>35462943
It means that even judaism has non-abrahamic roots, I can’t believe I am at the point that I am using this piece of information for an argument

>>35462957
No seriously, it is not physically possible for a sane person to believe in christian creed

>>35462959
Sounds more like you can't stand the fact that they don't hate what you hate.
Impotent rage is all you have.

>>35462974
>seething
Take your outisder lingo somwhere else

>>35462960
For example, Jainism (despite being actually transtheistic) has historically been called ‘the atheistic sect’ even though it explicitly believes in many gods.

>>35462937
>But the Japanese are not.
Because Abrahamic religions are still around 1-2% of the total population Christianity included. They also don't know shit about Abrahamic dogmas and doctrine.
>>35462974
seething this seething that
You throw around that word as if it's gonna make you right.

>>35462998
It's not an impotent rage, but a righteous anger.

>>35462995
Prove it instead of throwing a temper tantrum.

>>35462572
Christmas is even more commercialized in Japan than in Europe since Christmas eve is date night for couples and the time of year to eat KFC. Any religious aspect of Christianity isn't practiced and it's considered an American holiday rather than a Christian one.
>Not to mention Japanese are very into black gospel music and chapels.
The average Japanese wouldn't even know what gospel music is.

>>35463022
There is no god

>>35463021
You can lie to yourself but you can't lie to others.
There's nothing righteous about your assmad.

>>35463018
Sounds like you're just making excuses.

>>35463053
Excuses for what?

>>35463041
Prove it.
You made the claim now back it up.
>Atheists are skeptical for the existence of God, but they are credulous and gullible when you replace the word ‘God’ with another mysterious thing called ‘morals.’ - Max Stirner
>Skeptical of God
>Turns around and be gullible towards other mysterious things like morals, property, ethics, love, law, justice, the state and meaning in a meaningless universe.
That is why the many different moral systems adopted by atheists are in reality not much different than religions. In fact, Max Stirner, saw secular morality as nothing more than a new religion.
Which Nietzsche also refers to as Western Buddhism.
Take for example the Genealogy of Morals, the third essay What is the Meaning of Aesthetic Ideals.
It specifically addresses the idea that freedom requires a freedom from truth.
It's no more or less crazy than anything else.

>>35463061
For why the japanese don't hate Christianity like you do.
You forget that Buddhism has its own dogmas and doctrines.

>>35463018
>Because Abrahamic religions are still around 1-2% of the total population Christianity included. They also don't know shit about Abrahamic dogmas and doctrine.
Yes, and Islam is 1% of America yet people there know about Islam fairly well. Stop acting so condescending to the Japanese, they aren’t idiots.

>>35463063
Who said I believe in morals?

>>35461994
They would consider it a western style wedding rather than Christian. It's far cheaper than a traditional Japanese wedding so it's attractive to younger generations.

>>35463103
Answer the question instead of attempting question deflection and question avoiding.

>>35463107
>They would consider it a western style wedding rather than Christian
They associate Christianity with the West and they are not the idiots you try to make them out to be.
They put crosses on the chapels and have priests or people that look like priest conduct the wedding.

>>35463077
>thinking that Japs love Christianity because they go on dates on the 25th and marry in american style church weddings
the absolute state of christcucks
If you paid attention to my replies I said that Buddhism would have been preferable since it already had influences from an indo-european related culture and hellenism.
>>35463096
But they really don't know a lot about Abrahamic religions.

There is only one god, and it's Kanako

It's ironic that atheists are now so much more religious than most followers of traditional religions.

>>35463152
Kaneko

>>35463152
Suwako

>>35463144
>the absolute state of christcucks
More like how peak pathetic you are.
I said they like certain Christian aspects and you threw a shitfit.
Didn't prove me wrong.
>If you paid attention to my replies I said that Buddhism would have been preferable since it already had influences from an indo-european related culture and hellenism.
You never mentioned hellenism, I did.
And you keep making excuses.
Why is it preferable because of the reasons you stated?
Elaborate.

>>35463144
>If you paid attention to my replies I said that Buddhism would have been preferable since it already had influences from an indo-european related culture and hellenism.
And Catholic/orthodox Christianity does as well, am I going to remind you of the existence of Aristotle, saints and neo-Platonism? And roman/Greek religion was moving towards monotheism or at the very least it was henotheistic at that point, Christianity was just a step forward in the general direction western religion was going at the type, a return of Buddhism would be moving things in a completely different direction with pure-polytheism

>>35463218
The gods themselves are also surface level examples of the western religious tradition, what carried on was the far more important ideas which Buddhism would have taken away.

>>35463175
The 'absolute idea' in Hegelian philosophy, which again in manifold refractions split into the different ideas of philanthropy, reasonableness, civic virtue, and so on. The philosophers of our time say concepts are to decide everywhere, concepts to regulate life, concepts to rule.
This is the world of our time, to which Hegel gave a systematic expression, bringing method into the nonsense and completing the conceptual precepts into a rounded, firmly-based dogmatic. Everything is sung according to concepts and the real man, I, am compelled to live according to these conceptual laws.
Atheist don't realise how hypocritical they are.

>>35463242
>what carried on was the far more important ideas which Buddhism would have taken away.
And that would be?

>>35463251
God.
Plato and Buddhism really, really, don’t mix.

>>35463188
Sanae is the real Moriya Shrine god. The other two are just her summons.

>>35463267
Makes sense.

>>35463199
I agreed with you on the hellenism thing then. Doesn't change the fact that in a hypothetical spread of Buddhism in Europe there would be smaller chances of a backlash like it did with Christianity. Preferable because of the influences and a hypothetical scenario where the same thing happened as in Japan, with the native animist faith and Buddhism becoming one over the centuries.
>And you keep making excuses.
Literally what excuses are you talking about?
>>35463218
>roman/Greek religion was moving towards monotheism or at the very least it was henotheistic at that point, Christianity was just a step forward in the general direction western religion was going at the type
As I also said, a move towards monotheism would be fine if it did that on its own instead of using a schizo as a god.
> return of Buddhism would be moving things in a completely different direction with pure-polytheism
That's fine as well.

>>35463141
They decorate and conduct the weddings like the west for aesthetic reasons. You can set up these wedding chapels in many buildings which make it more convenient than having to go to a shrine. Even weddings held at churches, the couple being wed would probably have decided to marry this way because its more romantic (from movies) or more modern, lighter spirited and much easier to plan. Completely dethatched from any religious aspect of Christianity. Only Christians would chose this style of wedding because of it's religious significance to Christianity.

My, what a thread! Thanks for remiding me why christians don't deserve human rights.

>>35463344
And what religion did the Renaissance philosophy of humanism come from? Oh, and what philosophy did the concept of ‘human rights’ come from?

>>35463299
>I agreed with you on the hellenism thing then.
You tried to take credit for my comment on hellenism then backtrack when I call you out.
>Doesn't change the fact that in a hypothetical spread of Buddhism in Europe there would be smaller chances of a backlash like it did with Christianity.
Buddhism never got into Europe mostly because of Greece and people like Socrates, Plato and Aristotle.
It's just doesn't like up with Western thought.
>Preferable because of the influences and a hypothetical scenario where the same thing happened as in Japan, with the native animist faith and Buddhism becoming one over the centuries.
That would not have happened.
>Literally what excuses are you talking about?
Your above comments are excuses and nothing more than wishful thinking.

>>35463382
>wishful thinking
Ironic coming from a christian

>>35463341
Every thing you just said applies to Shinto and Buddhism in Japan.
Most of the population in Japan is irreligious but takes things out of different religions.

>>35463344
Keep crying.
Anti-Christians are so childish and thin skinned.

>>35463410
Nice use of "No U" without refuting anything.
Impotent rage and nothing else.
Tsk Tsk

>>35463446
>impotent rage
nice projection

>>35463379
Pre-christian hellenism. Literally everything from the Renaissance period was inspired by a roman hellenic revival.
>>35463382
I didn't try to take credit for yoir original point. I can't tell who I am replying to nor who is replying to me.
Christianity was original a rigid Jewish sect for Jews by Jews, yet it still spread to Europe. Buddhism, which by itself is more flexible conpared to Abrahamic worldviews, would somehow find its place. Europeans developing their own monotheism, or sticking with paganism or adopting Buddhism would all be preferable to Abrahamism though.
>Your above comments are excuses and nothing more than wishful thinking.
Oh no, talking about stuff is bad. Wisful thinking is that Christianity will survive by the end of this century.

>>35463379
>Renaissance philosophy
The Renaissance came because of the weakening of the Church which led to the end of the Dark Ages. Something Christians love to deny and attempt to historically revise.
>Human rights
Have existed long before Christianity. Slave abolitionists have existed since Ancient Rome.
>>35463432
Says the one who can't make arguments and resorts to name calling. You are free to believe in your faith, but you are not free to abuse that to oppress others as your kind claim to do so out of "hate the sin, love the sinner".

>>35343742
Gensokyo is a place for faiths forgotten or rationalized in our world. The big three of Abraham is far from that in our world.

>>35463504
This. Christfags should just fuck off.

>>35463490
>end of the Dark Ages.
The dark ages ended at 8 century A.D, it’s not what you think it means

>>35463504
Gnosticism, Nestorian Christianity (which had a presence in China since the early Middle Ages and likely Japan before The Portuguese found out about it), hidden Christians in Japan and Manichaeism all apply to this criteria

>>35463484
It was influenced by the ancients, but humanism came out of renaissance Christianity

>>35463474
more "no u"
Yawn

>>35463484
>Wisful thinking is that Christianity will survive by the end of this century.
It’s the largest religion of the world, it’s the most likely religion to survive

>>35463344
What resulted from this thread is an interesting, if uncivil, conversation on history, religion and philosophy yet you are still mad it all.

>>35463484
>I didn't try to take credit for yoir original point
Yes you did you said it was your post.
>I can't tell who I am replying to nor who is replying to me.
And to think you said "if you paid attention to my posts" then contradict and say this.
You can't even keep up with what you're saying.
>Christianity was original a rigid Jewish sect for Jews by Jews, yet it still spread to Europe.
Christianity was started in the Roman Empire and Jews have always tried to get rid of Christianity precisely because it allowed non-Jews.
>Buddhism, which by itself is more flexible conpared to Abrahamic worldviews, would somehow find its place.
No it wouldn't and it didn't.
History proves this.
>Europeans developing their own monotheism, or sticking with paganism or adopting Buddhism would all be preferable to Abrahamism though.
No it wouldn't that why it didn't spread West in the first place.
>Oh no, talking about stuff is bad. Wisful thinking is that Christianity will survive by the end of this century.
That's just delusional on your part.
Marx said the same thing back in his time and its still around.

>>35463905
more seething
yawn

>>35463523
Stop crying and throwing your temper tantrum.

>>35463490
>The Renaissance came because of the weakening of the Church which led to the end of the Dark Ages.
That awkward moment when even atheist historians say that's bullshit.
https://strangenotions.com/gods-philosophers/

>>35463490
>Says the one who can't make arguments and resorts to name calling.
That's pure projection on your part.
All one has to do is look at your posts to verify all you said applies to you.

>>35463969
More projection from the guy that admits Christianity triggers him.
Yawn

>>35464009
More seething from a Christian that can't cope with being wrong.
Yawn

>>35464128
Even more projection from the guy that couldn't prove anything he asserted and instead cried about how mean Christianity is and how he can't grasp how anyone would disagree with him.
Yawn

>>35464432
It’s stupid but quite interesting

>>35452645
I wonder what Pico would look like as a Touhou girl

>>35356809
weak creatures using magic, calming to be guds. it would be a fools errant to follow such self asserted status.
Especially when your mistress is beyond most of the pitiful creatures

>>35343742
Actually, it's closer to zero.

>>35343742
Imo, Kabbalah absolutely btfos Buddhism with the simple concept of ain, ain soph and ain soph aur alone.

It’s so simple, but so genius.

>>35464816
So she follows exactly the Jain/Buddhist idea that ‘gods’ are just reincarnated mortals who amassed enough karma/power, which is fair enough in Japanese Gensokyo I suppose

>>35464911
While thinking of the concept of Ain, I went on a ramble on another thread on the very nature of God. Here is my copy and paste of it:
1) The bible literally says God created evil, the emanations from the left hand side also has an extremely interesting theory of evil, but most importantly evil exists because we will it.
Someone else: then He is malevolent
2) But good is also exemplified by Him, the problem is putting things in a neat box of ‘good’ and ‘evil’. God isn’t evil for evil, He natural is the source of all, but our worldly morals without full understanding make it so that seems malevolent. God in His fullness simply is and is above petty human ideas, beyond simplistic conceptions of good and evil, though the good is closer to God and the evil closer to the world.

One interpretation of this is Gnosticism, where the demiurge is a rogue aspect of God created out of ignorance. Does this mean God is fighting against Himself? Then again, if you follow the maxim ‘as above, so below’ one may argue that this is reflective of how we are at war with ourselves. One may compare to the Zoroastrian Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu, comparable to Gnosticism as Angra Mainyu is born from evil thought, one may take the idea that Angra Mainyu is Ahura Mazda’s light evil from twisted though. That is, evil is God’s light twisted by us or His creation. Or one can say that Angra Mainyu is a twisted part of Ahura Mazda, existing naturally from the wholeness of God but going against God’s greater good at the same time. This conjoined Kabbalah, where ‘Ain’ posits that the highest and simplest emanation of God is Him holding everything conceivable and inconceivable in existence and non-existence.
Someone else: a post on how God created the world despite knowing the evil acts which will happen
3) As brutal as it sounds, God decided it to be because it is simply the best way for things to go, suffering and all, for free will.

Though God can be interpreted by a force with a will, things proceed out of God naturally, but even though God has a will that will may not have full control over God - like our conscious or subconscious.
4) Furthermore, God’s will could be born from the mere inevitable possibility that would have a will. That is, going by Ain being everything ever, a simple source of everything would naturally formulate a will by the simple existence of will inside everything.
4) This would hold that God is not the will, but everything, and His will is simply a product of Him being everything. Though the will is a part of God, in this philosophy, the will and consciousness isn’t God within of Himself.
5) And one may argue that God being everything, and everything being, God’s existence is inevitable
6) And God’s will must be the conceivable perfect will, as it exists in this conceivable universe which emanates naturally from God, and this universe is one of infinite which emanates from Him.

>>35465301
Out of everything is born perfection, perfection makes itself the highest state of God by its own nature. The will is in accordance to perfection, good is accordance to perfection, good is according to the will and the highest state of God.

>>35465392
9) free-will is an inherit aspect of existence of this emanation, it is a curse and a gift, but it is a natural gift from God. The will regards free-will as a perfect imperfection from itself.

>>35465517
Oops, it would be (8)
(9)
It would explain the trinity, the trinity being the perfect will of everything emanated at three points.

>>35465529

But what rule does the Will of God have over Himself in this world? God can grant and remove all that He wishes, but the will of God in a worldly creation is bound by what is perfect within this world, and thus God doesn't erase all evil from Himself in this world but works with the perfect imperfect nature of this creation. This world, it’s suffering, has its place as a reflection of God. God intervenes in the necessary manner, and evil and suffering will exist as long as it’s necessary for this world and it’s perfect imperfection.

>296
this will be an interesting read.

>>35465665
And reflections of God will continue to exist, and imperfection (even under His own perfect will), for God is all that is and infinity rather than a simple stale one-note existence.

>>35465665
Is it rational to believe that a loving God who has the power to fashion any universe the way he wanted created one with atrocious and inhumane forms of evil? See, this is called the paradox of evil. People don't believe that a benevolent god exists, because if god is the antithesis of evil, and if god is love, then he would not allow evil in any form to exist. That's where theodicy comes into play. Theodicy seeks to explain why an all-loving god would allow evil to exist by going off of the assumption that god is all-knowing, all-powerful and all-loving.

>>35465797
Yes, my general argument seems to be that even God is subject to Himself and His nature.

>>35462719
>Confucianism should never be without God as part of its philosophy
Show me where in the analects Confucius talks about God.

>>35465895
Tian/Shàngdì (originally meaning God) is translated as ‘Heaven’ because the meaning of these words changed to ‘heaven’ after Buddhism

>>35463096
>yet people there know about Islam fairly well

>>35465958
Well, schizos will schizo

>>35459803
You could have saved everyone time and said the world would be better off without religion.

>>35466109
You can’t escape religion, humanity and religion are intertwined

>>35466122
I know that.

>>35465918
I didn't ask you that, I asked you where in the Analec-
>The concept of Heaven (Tian, 天) is pervasive in Confucianism. Confucius had a deep trust in Heaven and believed that Heaven overruled human efforts. He also believed that he was carrying out the will of Heaven, and that Heaven would not allow its servant, Confucius, to be killed until his work was done.[7] Many attributes of Heaven were delineated in his Analects.
>Confucius honored Heaven as the supreme source of goodness:
>The Master said, "Great indeed was Yao as a sovereign! How majestic was he! It is only Heaven that is grand, and only Yao corresponded to it. How vast was his virtue! The people could find no name for it. How majestic was he in the works which he accomplished! How glorious in the elegant regulations which he instituted!" (VIII, xix, tr. Legge 1893:214)
>Confucius felt himself personally dependent upon Heaven (VI, xxviii, tr. Legge 1893:193): "Wherein I have done improperly, may Heaven reject me! may Heaven reject me!"
>Confucius believed that Heaven cannot be deceived:
>The Master being very ill, Zi Lu wished the disciples to act as ministers to him. During a remission of his illness, he said, "Long has the conduct of You been deceitful! By pretending to have ministers when I have them not, whom should I impose upon? Should I impose upon Heaven? Moreover, than that I should die in the hands of ministers, is it not better that I should die in the hands of you, my disciples? And though I may not get a great burial, shall I die upon the road?" (IX, xi, tr. Legge 1893:220-221)
>Confucius believed that Heaven gives people tasks to perform to teach them of virtues and morality:
>The Master said, "At fifteen, I had my mind bent on learning. At thirty, I stood firm. At forty, I had no doubts. At fifty, I knew the decrees of Heaven. At sixty, my ear was an obedient organ for the reception of truth. At seventy, I could follow what my heart desired, without transgressing what was right." (II, iv, tr. Legge 1893:146)
>He believed that Heaven knew what he was doing and approved of him, even though none of the rulers on earth might want him as a guide:
>The Master said, "Alas! there is no one that knows me." Zi Gong said, "What do you mean by thus saying - that no one knows you?" The Master replied, "I do not murmur against Heaven. I do not grumble against men. My studies lie low, and my penetration rises high. But there is Heaven - that knows me!" (XIV, xxxv, tr. Legge 1893:288-9)
>Perhaps the most remarkable saying, recorded twice, is one in which Confucius expresses complete trust in the overruling providence of Heaven:
>The Master was put in fear in Kuang. He said, "After the death of King Wen, was not the cause of truth lodged here in me? If Heaven had wished to let this cause of truth perish, then I, a future mortal, should not have got such a relation to that cause. While Heaven does not let the cause of truth perish, what can the people of Kuang do to me?" (IX, v and VII, xxii, tr. Legge 1893:217-8)
...okay, I believe you.

>>35466109
What metric do you use to determine whether the world is "better?" More peaceful? More diverse? More populated?

But yeah you're probably right, nobody is really going to argue over such a vague, meaningless claim.

>>35466282
Less problems, but that doesn't seem true since more would arise in place of what is absent.
Humans require dependency on a particular belief.

>>35452535
Yes they do.
There's reason why Buddhism left India while others like Hinduism and Jainism didn't.

>>35465958
That’s just expected from retarded evangelical fundamentalist reactionaries.

>>35469533
That's a lot of labels you're using to construct your strawman argument.

>>35470869
>strawman
Every protestant is a retard, anon

>>35471349
>muh emotional fallacy
Sounds more like you are the retard and you proved my point about the strawman.

>>35471867
Who are you quoting?

>>35473214
Your emotional based opinions.

>>35473417
You clearly don't belong here.

>>35474704
Your lack self awareness is hilarious.

>>35452675
Seiga Genesis