/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>3509299
Got your twintail hairstyle yet?

Kouhimeing

Anyway who is all currently on
NexusVanLeHamon aka Bawson's Strongest Miner ⑨__⑨

So, at level 15, what are good quests, grinding places?
Should I keep doing fruit forest?

I look like a tourist, it's great.

So, anyone already tried the "Look more mature" hair style? How does it look?
Also, where I can find other kind of styles?

>>3509339
Maids are sleeping please watch warmly.

To whoever is doing the spreadsheet, it's IsayamaYomi, not Isayami, thanks.

Also, anyone is free to message me, just idling at the cafe right now.

Anyone know where I can find a...Crystal...for the Psychic....I don't know what that is.

I still can't log in.

>>3509572
You have to make sure that you are running gameguard and you'll have to run the game once as administrator for it to install.

>>3509581
Ah, thanks, now I can get back to sitting in front of the cafe.

Someone took the name I wanted.

Now I can't play until I think of another one.

Visiting the cafe with my reverse trap.

MIKU HELP ME GET MY GATLING

>>3509299
surprise that no one had taken the name of the perfect head maid yet.

>>3509642
Me on the left.

SUDDENLY, LOLI-EATING WORMS

>>3509682

>>3509682
>>3509704
Oh god stop already

>>3509682
>>3509704
I feel sick to my sto

>>3509707

>>3509724

>>3509724
>>3509737

Image board: http://emilchronicle.com/ecochan/
(user:eco / pass:jp)

Why does this take so long to download?

>>3510018
Shitty mirrors. Download from the Fileplanet one, it gives a decent speed despite the shitty queue.

>>3510018
Use a different mirror.

>>3509963
I won't go.

>>3509947
Oh so that IS you, figured as much.

>>3510025
Who else would try so hard for a Gatling Cannon?

>>3510035
me, too bad you went without me and got one ;_;

>>3510024
The eco wiki/chan site has a download mirror too. But they make you register on the forums to use it.

>>3510024
Fileplanet? No thanks.

>>3510044
You were offline, and it wasn't the kind of quest you could do with two people at the same time, it was kill 90 _ 50 _ and 50 _. ;_;

The Catty's are disappointed with their lazy masters.

>>3509297
> yeh i readed dat on aпoпtaاk.com lyke just two day's ago lol
You can't be serious...

>>3510050
Enjoy your shitty speed then.

Broke down and downloading now to try it. Thinking about Swordsman for a melee class, need a suggestion or personal opinions on caster classes incase I change my mind.

>>3510058
Cattys are overrated, Gatling Cannons is where its at.

Must grind more, but stupid all-day classes.

Consequently, I found out that the shitty PCs which are like 2Ghz proc, onboard vid card with 32MB RAM, and 256MB actual ram in our computer lab can run ECO rather well, at low settings. Grindan during breaks, here we come.

>>3509321
It won't be around for a while.

Also, we're getting people to pool together airship parts in order to construct a personal ring meeting area / Touhou tea party or whatever you want to call it. If you go to Lower Iron City and talk to the engineer in this screenshot, he'll give out a free airship part to those who are levels 30+ and have 10 prestige points. What he gives out changes at set periods, we're not sure as of yet how long that is yet. Extra parts can be used to trade with other parts or be sold off in order to purchase whatever other parts necessary or furniture if already constructed.
Other rings might also wish to endeavor in this activity of getting your own ring members to start gathering parts. If that's the case, we'll gladly cooperate in helping getting your own little fortress' up if we have a part you need.

Just remember, all players are capable of building airships. This is just something to get the balls rolling on guild activities and what not.

>>3510156
I'll check next time I stop by Iron South. Also, where do you donate Jerico Potions to unlock the parts shop again?

>>3510156

Are prestige points universal or do I need to start getting quests from the South to get the points to get that part?

I must be stupid or something because trying to make an account for this keeps giving me problems. On top of that, the install that I downloaded says the chara/tex.dat doesnt match the file in the setup's .cab file when trying to install this.

>>3510284
account needs to be all lowercase and have at least one number i think.

>>3510291
Thanks CurryButt. <3

>>3510276
Yes, it's universal.

>>3510291
Doesn't require the number. The password does, however.

Oh wow, what are you doing all the way up here? I so rarely get visitors; aren't you cold, though? Anyways, I have to get back to my home now. I just made the most delicious scrambled eggs, and I can't help but go back and have some more!

Any ero of Cattys yet?

>>3510351
As a matter of fact, yes. Posted in one of the previous threads, though.

>>3510359
Catty blow jobs wooooOOOOoooo

>>3510324
You will never get him to drop dragon eggs, vita.

Hooray for patching and buggy installs. I'll be there soon! ;_;

>>3510377
Probably because he really doesn't. Everyone, including the wiki, is lying to me.

This is the only possible explanation.

How the fuck is this /jp/ related? Fucking MMO addicts.

>>3510351
>>3510359
>>3510361
No luck for me Googling.

Enjoy a HNNNGGG worthy Catty fanart I found, however.

>>3510400
Dragon Eggs don't exist. Enjoy your delusion.

The only people that got them actually got them delivered to it by the GM to their mailbox. Enjoy getting trolled.

>>3510454
This is a japanese made MMORPG that a lot of /jp/ plays.

So I just started this and it seems pretty adorable so far. I decided to go Titania Wizard for whatever reason, but I may start a Emil whatever later on.

>>3510156
You can't even get the quest to make an airship until the crashed airship guy gets a million jerico potions, Last I looked there was only 4k.
Hope you enjoy grinding pururus.

>>3510482
but I don't so yeah

>>3510586
If you did we could do this though, your loss.

>>3510573
Boys looks like we have a new objective.

>>3510602
well, I'm sold.

>>3510573

Did it reset after maintenance like the Pet Shop?

>>3510616
This too!

>>3510634
Oh boy!

I spy a sleeping Kouhime.

>>3510573
Time to grind.

is clay worth anything, used for anything good cause i got a crap load of it, and I don't want to go all the way back to town just to store it...

Wake up lazy meidos~!

>>3510669
A Miner quest uses it.

I download the game and register myself

how do i run it?

>>3510573
>>You can't even get the quest to make an airship until the crashed airship guy gets a million jerico potions.

I swear, these ECO threads are entertaining for all of the wrong reasons.

Gatling-sama slaying bawoos.

>>3510669
You have clay?

...What's your in-game name?

>>3510688
NexusVanLeHamon

So are there any available rings with spots? Keep seeing /jp/ers around.

>>3510573
I just talked to him, he says he need 50,000 jerico potions and he'll make an airship.

Well, considering he seems to restart, may as well hold out until we have all the parts necessary.

>>3510703
>>3510717
Damn jerico potions weigh 10.0 aswell, think how many trips it would take even if you started to farm them.

>>3510720
>>3510717
>>3510703
Just buy it from noobs

Is anyone interested in discussing "GameGuard"? Minimal knowledge would be appreciated.

>>3510644
D:

Now, really going to sleep IRL.

The English wiki sucks.

>>3510746
It could suck worse.

>>3510742
Guess no one is interested in suppressing GameGuard. I'll just excuse myself and investigate alone since /jp/ doesn't seem to care.

I miss the old /jprog/.

>>3510775
More like none of us know how and we're waiting for an answer like you are.

What, you expected a bunch of "yeah me too bro" posts to pop up? Well okay, I'll remember that next time then.

Honestly though, I don't think you CAN turn it off.

>>3510775
Any workaround is grounds for a potential ban at the worst. I'm not risking my loli for your principles. If you can't run the game with it, post the exact problem so people can say if they've found a way to solve it, and try the official forums help section as well.

Dammit. Someone lured a giant robot to the place you can go to after Acroplis south. It has a ton of tiny robot minions too right in the way of the damn warp gate. Guess I'm not completing my swordmaster thing tonight. ;_;

>>3510785
I guess I really did expect too much, but at least I hoped for a few with a knowledge comparable to mine to appear.

And you can turn it off, most of us didn't use it to begin with until this forsaken patch, which pretty much made it increasingly difficult to disable. The max I could pull off now with my knowledge is to suppress it on some levels.

>>3510795
No one would be forcing no one to play with or without gameguard, it would be your choice.

>>3510804
> knowledge comparable to mine
I hear that, bro. It sucks to be surrounded by lesser minds all day. My vast intellect is just too much for my own good.

>>3510820
If you can't even understand the meaning of that sentence, then I guess it really is. Pity, that it only makes you look like a moron.

Damnit. I now totally regret making a male character.

Starting over from scratch, I'll hang around you guys when I get to level 10 or so.

>>3510863

Well, you could put girly clothes on him and make him a trap.

>>3510872
Ehh, nah.
I'm going to give birth to some devilish loli.

DAT SPIKE 6% RAGEEEE

Think I'll go make a farmer and play harvest moon during lag periods

>>3510890
I made a Ranger to play during lag. It wasn't until level 10 that I realized how stupid that was.

>>3510841
LOL! I know right? That guy is so dumb, can't even understand basic English.

I'm so glad there are normal people here! Thank you!

Name is Komeiji, I started a couple days ago. Level 14 Warlock at the moment, should hit 16 tonight. If any bros of similar level want to party up or something, let me know.

Problem is that I lag like a motherfucker. I might disappear for a minute from time to time since the game freezes and I have to close it with task manager. Goddamn, there should be a NA release.

But yeah, back to solo grinding I go! ;_;

Assuming whoever wrote the spreadsheet is still around and working on it, here's Hotglue's memberlist because a bunch of us were left out/jobs weren't filled in/etc.
If anyone could edit that thing I'd do it myself, but eh, apparently not.

Also, we're 16/17 now. Probably never gonna fill that last position because we set our standards too high even though we're the slacker ring.

>>3511083

I would, but it's too late right now and I need to sleep. Tomorrow, maybe?

>>3511083
I can tank for you if you want, pretty sure I lag worse than you do though.

But there's also the fact that I'd have to get off my ass and move from this one spot, meaning a shortage of paletteswapped socks and frilly MOE~ ribbons.
Would the world really want that?

Any rings have an opening? Wizard 27 here and always helpful. My current ring is pretty dead, I'm usually the only one on. :(

Grinded at North from Lv25 to Lv36 now and still no eggs. Goddammit.

>>3511086
You can remove Sunny, I'm his friend and he quit and gave me all his money so I doubt he's coming back, lol...

>>3510775
I'm interested in making it go the fuck away, but have no knowledge or useful input to give. Would appreciate if you kept us updated on anything you find though...

>>3510156
hatsune, any room in your ring? ;_;

>>3511364
What? He still owes me the 6500 I loaned him.

Oh, whatever.

>>3509294
> yeh i readed dat on aпoпtaاk.com lyke just two day's ago lol
How come this is so often brought up around this site?

GG didn't seem to annoy me here. Maybe all those years of GunBound and Ragnarok Online made me immune to it?

I'll try joining a guild - erm, ring - once I decide if I'm going to play this. I think I'm way too lazy to learn another MMORPG now.

So i finally decided to make a backpacker and made a merchant. is it normal that they start with a 120% price for selling to npc? Or is it just a temporal buff around town until i reach a certain level?

Also should I make alt accounts to get all 4 kinds of marionettes? Its probably more work than it's worth I guess.

>>3511971
It's an innate merchant thing, I think. You can knock it up another 20% (multiplicative) when you learn that overcharge skill.

>>3511396
None yet.

Alright, I'm level 3, and I finished the three quests.

What should I do now?

>>3512375
Grindan time.

>>3510922
>>3510841
aww come on, don't tell me you really fell for his sarcasm, he was making fun of the guy for flaunting his internet intellect.
> Internet Intellect = anyone can use google

Lloi here, I have 2 level 1 guys with 13 quest points each. Which guild wants fame?

I like to imagine that the girl in Gift for Grandson 2 is tsundere for me.

"For m-m-me?"
"Umm...t-thanks, but I don't l-l-like this kind of thing..."

>>3512464
>the girl
I have news for you.

>>3512481
Oh ho, its not news.

But it makes it even hotter.

Is there like a list of synthesis for the miner cause, I don't know what makes what, and I'm just randomly making useless stuff and breaking it down again...

>>3512579
There's the wikis, they could have lists:
http://emilchronicle.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
http://wiki.ggftw.com/emil-chronicle/Main_Page
http://ec.gamedb.info/wiki/

>>3512579
http://wiki.ggftw.com/emil-chronicle/Category:Advanced_Metal_Refining

>>3512579
I really fucking hate the synthesis system. "HURR WE'LL TELL YOU THE EXACT ITEMS YOU NEED FOR IT BUT NOT WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS"

>>3510775
Maybe because most of us which belong to both boards don't play many MMOs these days.

I can completly own/remove GG, but explaining how to do it is a fairly complex process, and if I were to publish a tool, it would mean having to fight their updates every few months, and I have better things to do.

Backpackers are the most fun to use.

Any job 30+ miners with repair kitting online?

even with this just in OB i'm already seeing overruns of BRs in this game, once the OB ends you know as well as do what will be the result. Just to save myself from grief later, i'm giving up my loli and going back to grinding my other loli on mabi.

>>3513035
Have you not seen the official miner flowchart?

How's everyone doing?

>>3513069
Currently online, but also currently frozen. What do you need?

>>3513093
Requesting crafting for silver repair kits. I got the mats and I'd pay for each piece.

Do you ever do anything kouhime? All I see you do is be a lazy meido at the cafe.

>>3513090
Lagging, walking, freezing, the usual.

>>3513101
Holy crap, silver repair kits take imperial topaz, I dont think I have those. I thought it was some kind of mettalic lump or bullion. Ah well.

>>3513101
Holy crap, silver repair kits need imperial topaz, I don't think I have those. I thought it was some kind of metallic lump or bullion. Ah well. Nevermind then, I'd just have to run to the north to buy new gears.

>>3513101
I have Craft Repair Kit level 5. Whisper Vita in-game.

>>3513098
Why would you do anything else?

Where do I find a pick? This club I'm using sucks. So does the wiki for that matter.

>>3513098
Doing stuff IRL, so I like to troll and idle for hours and hours and hours, and read conversations when I take a break. Will get back to actual playing when I have time.

>>3513138
I feel you there man. Darn starter club is a piece of crap.

>>3513090
Being socially awkward online.

I don't get the skill point system in this game.
Im job 18 now, got 5 free skill points from npcs.
Yet this is all i could raise so far, which doesn't add up to 23 at all.

>>3513162
5+5+4+3+3+3 yeap you got 23

>>3513162
you're fucked

Elementalist + His massive AoE + Firewall + Southern Dungeon = THIS DUNGEON IS ALREADY DEAD.

It almost works just like RO wizards.
Deploy firewall, watch critters continually bounce back from firewall, cast icestorm, SHIT FUCKING DIES.

>>3513162
Learning a skill costs 3 skill points.

>>3513162
The first level costs 3 skillpoints, bro. All additional levels are 1 skillpoint.

>>3513281
I guess i should have read that first, shit sucks.
they copied so much from RO that I automatically assumed they would copy the way skill points work too.

>>3513281
Fuck

does someone can tell me where to find the "headquarter room" ? i need to know the place before doing quest

>>3513285
also, is this shit still salvageable? swordman btw.

>>3513292
There's a skill reset NPC somewhere. It's 1 time only.

This game is what characters in the RO world have nightmares about.

>>3513291
do you mean data delivery quest?
You have to run from the sage masters house (uptown, upper left, the right house without a robot in front) to north promenade. In the north promenade you have to enter either of the 2 houses in the middle

Why can't I log in? It just hangs.

How do I open wooden boxes? And I've got a high class fabric if anyone wants it. (Lyndis)

>>3513320
that's it, thanks but i wonder how many you gain in this quest, i hope it's not 2000G

>>3513336
data delivery gives no exp, just 200 gold.
but if you do it 2 times you get a free skill point.

>>3513325
refiner npc, its a good idea to sell them though at low levels since they net you 200g.

>>3513357
every time you do it twice you gain a skill point ? or only once ?

>>3513373
one time only per char.

>>3513374
ok i will do this quest later, but what about "Before it melts ! (street)", do we gain interesting things ? i only do delivery quest for the moment

>>3513392
haven't done that yet, so i dont know.
the best money quest around lvl 15 is "gift to grandson 2"
I think at level 24 there are new money quests in northern promenade that give 5k or 6k

>>3513392
Doing it once gives you 200g and unlocks Gudoo's armory, high level warrior armors.

Doing it again nets you 1 skill point.

Do what me and a friend did. One saves at north promenade, the other saves at ghost shelter. Then use butterfly keys.

>>3513303
As far as I know, once for free, then 100 x character level or something like that.

Any rings have a spot? VIPPER is incredibly dead.

>>3513433
or anyone want to make one with me, for that matter.

>>3513437
What's need to make a ring?

>>3513458
10k money is all I believe, never tried though.

>>3513458
10k gold.

Shaman or Wizard? Which one should I pick?

Gatling-sama saving my ass.

Actually I probably would of survived, but it still helped.

Why is no one out east? The camera angles are fantastic.

>>3513669
yup, i wonder why there is no free cam elsewhere. I bet they were lazy with the first maps and had no skybox.

>>3513506
Maybe I'd have mine too if SOMEONE didn't go get it without me. ಠ_ಠ

>>3513681
You have almost the same exact look and outfit as me. ಠ_ಠ

>>3513500
Somebody help me decide...

would anyone be interested to join if i made another ring? preferably people who won't mind doing guild events/helping each other out/etc. and play often. gimme an id if interested

>>3513707
I would but I don't play magic related classes in any games, so I don't really know. ;_;

>>3513500
shaman takes a bit more effort because you need to know the elemental weakness chart (not that it's hard) and change your spells accordingly. however, you can solo cinns at earlier levels than wizards.

wizard is a bit easier and it's not like it's hard to find a runner, which arguably might be better exp/hour if they're a good runner. i could 1shot cinns at lv28, maybe earlier but i had no lv5 spells.

basically it's up to you...not sure about shaman's non-nuke skills, but wizard has some decent ones like nullifying physical hits for a duration, etc..

>>3513722
Shamans have elemental buffs and walls. The walls may be useful, but I don't see as much of a point with the buffs. Too situational. Later on we get AoE.

Of course, you can also go the HAX LOCKS route. Or go Vates.

>>3513746
>Vates
Nobody needs those with all that food and potions available.

What's the "HAX LOCKS" route?

>>3513717
>I don't play magic related classes
What the fuck is wrong with you? And I thought you were cool.

>>3513686
Yes, but I have the hardhat and winter coat.

Unless you've changed since I last saw you, anyways.

>>3513708
I'd join with my alts

Levelling is getting harder, I'm finding myself actually having to buy healing items now. I'm buying any amount up to 300-400 of meats/smoked meats at 100g each. To eat. Please pm Audacity if you are interested in selling, I hang around acro a lot. I don't have one of those golem things or this would be much easier.

>>3513433
Hotglue actually have 2empty slots.
Half of us actually can invite so just whisper any hotglue people you see and don't be an obnoxious faggots.

Also most of us are lazy slackers and probably wont even walk to town without taxi or keys.

>>3513853
>I don't have one of those golem things or this would be much easier.
What? Why not?

>>3513708

I would.

>>3513801
I've never liked playing as ranged classes, be it shooting arrows or flaming balls of shit, just not fun for me nor am i any good at it.

>>3509340
>>3509340
>>3509340

>>3513975
Apparently all the hairstyles there are shit. Don't bother with them.

Good luck with finding the hairstyle catalogue things or whatever they were.

I'm lost, can anyone guide me and stuff?

I've been clicking on a trash can for half an hour now. How the hell do I get the mustache for the Catty pet thing?

>>3514015
You are in the /jp/ hangout spot. Take one look at all the faggots there and avoid them for the rest of your playing experience.

What is a good job for a Dominion ?

>>3512692
Care to release a simple txt exemplifying how to at least get gameguard to run without it dying from being unable to scan the processes?

>>3514066
Miner.

Seriously though, be a Swordsman or a Warlock or something. Starting race doesn't matter TOO much.

>>3514066
prostitute

>>3514066
Miner.

>Update file request

What's the difference between Fencer and Swordsman?

>>3514174
One turns out to be the best tank, one turns out to be the best boss hunter.

>>3514192
So Fencers are Bossers?

Spear or Rapier?

>>3514201
Spear

So, how are the 2-2 technical jobs accessed?

>>3514377
Get your first job to at least 30 (letting it overlevel to 50 will get you more points for your first job skills though), then talk to your class master to change to your 2-1 job. You can then choose to change to a 2-2 job immediately, for free, and can switch between them at any time, assuming you pay rlmoney.

>>3514425
can you elaborate a bit about skill migration?

from what i understand -- you can take all of your skills from your basic job to your advanced job, then you can switch between the 2 advanced jobs and take 5 skills from each to the other one? something like that?

>>3510156
Parts rotations are apparently per day or two. Check regularly.

>>3514431
Wondering about this too. Anyone?

>>3510156
Isn't it better to get something set up for all the rings to use instead of each ring having their own little private one?

Is there any place in-game where I can buy some delicious knee socks? The regular blue socks just aren't long enough.

how do I got pretty clothes and silly hats?

>>3514551
You have to be a level 50 merchant.

>>3514730
uso da!

I really really want to sell these and the boxes I've picked up, but I keep seeming to get more than I can get rid of, and I guess they've clogged up my storage for long enough.

I'll be posting the results in a minute so you can laugh at my abysmal fortune.

Wish me luck /jp/

>>3514771
Did you just barely escape?

>>3514826
I see what you did there.

FIFTY THOUSAND [JERICHO POTIONS]. FIFTY THOUSAND. WHAT THE HELL.

>>3514835
I have 2.

We can do it guys!

>>3514851
If a person can carry 50 [JERICHO POTIONS] then it would mean that he would have to go ONE THOUSAND TIMES to the bastard and back.

FIFTY fucking THOUSAND.

Results of >>3514819

Feels poor man.

>>3514075
I'll need some logs/error number to get an idea of what is wrong with it. While I could figure out what the problem is, it would probably require some interaction with you - like IRC, and some work from me to figure out their latest encryption of the log files, since I haven't touched GG in about a year now. I think the best choice for you is to just contact INCA (gg's makers) and have them work out the bug in their software, that is, if it's a bug, and not some "cheat tool" they're finding in your system.

I'd play more but every time i play more than 2 hours, and close the client my computer locks up, mouse wont move no keys respond completely frozen. Two hours of grinds per day is barely worth it. Unless someone can instruct me how to fix this problem.

>>3514955
Unless anyone else has had a similar problem, we won't be able to help you unless you tell us more about your setup.

>>3515046
I assume it to be GG. My comp and net and everything runs fine till i close it. Also run it in window mode and 1280x720. If i close it before mass grinding it works fine. Maybe it has something to do with that green status bar up top of the game. If i close it when theres no fluctuation and it almost always full it closes fine, but when its like 80% and and jumps around it'll freeze on closeout.

>>3514431
>>3514488

When you change between 2-1 and 2-2, your 2nd class skills will be reset, and you loose job levels.

The amount you loose is equal to 20% (rounded down) of the job you change FROM, and you subtract from the job you change INTO, eg:

jlvl 30 Blademaster changing into a jlvl 20 Bounty Hunter, your Bounty Hunter job will loose 6 job levels.

>>3514509
That's true. However considering it's also a mode of transportation, it may be worthwhile to have a few in the air so that ring members are able to move around freely between the other capitals without having to borrow just the one.

>>3514873
Well, that's assuming we only have one person farming them. We can separate the load if we take several people and work towards it. Backpackers will be quite essential in transport here.

>>3515261

Can members of different rings use the same airship?

Do you keep all of your skills when you go from first job to second?

>>3514510
Yeah, from the north border.

>>3515591
Do you mean at Cape Northerin where you pass into the Northern Kingdom?

Coulda swore I just saw HongMeiling/China somewhere..

>>3515642
Yeah.

Cirno was spotted at iron south city just now.

I swear it is one of you faggot.

I saw that too and wondered.

>>3515665
I'm idling in North, so its not me.

>>3515147
wonder if you know how to hack out info to fix accounts that use gameguard?

it for another game. didn't cheat just tried to get pass the password protect event page a while ago and got my acount locked

>>3515293
I'll have to correct myself here. The tutorial mentions that only owners can operate the airship and can set the protocols to who is and isn't allowed in. They're able to fly the airship to inaccessible areas such as Morg Island as well as towns or npc areas with stations. That said, owners can load up passengers and then get them to wherever they need to get to.

They aren't tied to rings specifically, hence why every player has the ability to get their own airship.

>>3514898
For those of us who seek to restrict gameguard's access to our computers as much as possible and still be able to run the game, do you have some guidelines for us?

Like preventing it from reading and modifying the gameguard files and the exe will cause it to error out, and failure to install the driver will prevent it from starting and so forth? Only allowing it to run minimally without interfering in other processes that don't concern it.

Although I've been getting a feeling lately that if gameguard fails to read even a single process it will close itself after a few minutes. It's just a theory but lately it's been getting more and more plausible.
If that truly is the case, is there a way to prevent gameguard from knowing the processes are there altogether, or would we have to turn the entire OS's processes into a full-fledged rootkit to evade it?

Most of us are not so computer savvy, but I think we might manage something if you provide some general information or directions.

So, how do I feed my pet? And where is the pet training area? I want to make the most out of my Catty.

I'm assuming Str, Vit and Agi are what I should be focusing on as swordmaster? and what are some good grinding areas or quests for level 8 or so?

Long-post time:

>>3515683
Not really since they must have given your account/ip to the game company, but if you can modify gameguard, you can just force it to be unable to report to its server. I think the simplest solution for someone who can't do that is to just use a firewall and block outgoing ftp and some other port I can't recall at the moment, it goes to a korean IP address (INCA GG HQ).

>>3515758


>>3514898
> For those of us who seek to restrict gameguard's access to our computers as much as possible and still be able to run the game, do you have some guidelines for us?

Gameguard has many modules, but I'll explain what they do from what I remember(they might have changed names since the last time I checked):
- npgg9x/NT - this is an user-mode hook dll, it's injected in all processes. It's basically a user-mode rootkit which tries to intercept some 50 something API calls. It will stop most API calls that try to affect the game in some way. You can bypass these user-mode hooks by many methods, but this is generally a bad idea if the driver is running: this dll signals the driver that the API call went through it. If the driver sees an API call which didn't go through it, it will assume you're trying to bypass it, and will force a reboot/BSoD.
- npgmup - updater, grabs new versions of files from the server indicated in the encrypted *.ini file in the game's directory, that file also contains some delicious settings, but I better not say much.
- npptNT2 - speedhack check driver, opens I/O access to all apps, (well known, and unpatched for years) security vulnerability right here.
- npsc - speedhack check module, it doesn't do much, and may even be optional. It just checks timing of your CPU/OS in many ways to detect irregularities.
- NPSCAN/*scan - based on their AntiVirus product (they're an AV company too), it can scan for various viruses/trojans and some "hack tools". Many cheats are detected using this.

>>3515894
- GameGuard.des - calls updater and does a few other things that I can't recall at the moment.
- The game executable - this is linked against gameguard's library, which will load GameGuard.des and GameMon
- GameMon - This is IT - a separate application which coordonates everything gg does. It also contains an embedded kernel-mode driver which it dumps, the driver hooks various syscall's in the kernel, and also provides process cloaking capabilities(it is a full-fledged rootkit, except it's not really used maliciously, depending on your interpretation of that term). It contains its own scanner as well, and contains the "secret" protocol needed for authenthficating your client as a valid gg client among other things. Not all games have the game server implement this protocol(!) - if you patch the game(which will often be packed/protected itself) to not load gg at all, you may fully get rid of it, but only if the server doesn't expect your client to be able to serve requests using this special protocol. Lately they've been putting some pretty strong armor on this one(TheMida with all the bells and whistles).

> Like preventing it from reading and modifying the gameguard files and the exe will cause it to error out, and failure to install the driver will prevent it from starting and so forth? Only allowing it to run minimally without interfering in other processes that don't concern it.

You can do this in many ways, you could even set up your own local update server and have it download the same old stale updates. Is there any point in doing this unless you're actively messing with gg?

>>3515896
GG usually wants to get in as strong state in your system as your system allows it. It may not install a driver on 9x, and if the user isn't admin it may not insist on running the driver either. I'm not sure what it does in Vista or Win7, but I can't imagine it would be stable - Microsoft banned their "rootkit" ways of hooking into kernel code, it's still possible, but you have to go through more hoops than they could afford. In general, the driver is likely the cause of many crashes - if the driver remains active and an application isn't hooked by it in usermode, it can easily trigger a BSoD as it thinks your application bypassed its hooks.

> Although I've been getting a feeling lately that if gameguard fails to read even a single process it will close itself after a few minutes. It's just a theory but lately it's been getting more and more plausible.
It actually tries to read more than just processes, it reads all the drivers, scans DLLs in other processes for hooks and many other things. It normally fails reading the memory of some system processes, so I don't think it would cause many troubles. Antiviruses/security solutions often use same tricks as gg, so hooks may conflict here causing crashes.

>>3515901

> If that truly is the case, is there a way to prevent gameguard from knowing the processes are there altogether, or would we have to turn the entire OS's processes into a full-fledged rootkit to evade it?
Yes and yes. There's many ways, but they require either advanced reverse engineering skills, or me disclosing weaknesses in their system, which I don't really want to do now. Turning your OS into a rootkit may be a simpler way, but be very careful how you do it, as some hooks may conflict. One of those rootkits that hook in kernel-mode and deeper than SSDT (maybe sysenter or modifying some kernel data structures directly would work). There's some well-known methods popular in MMO hacking script-kiddie forums, but I'm not aware of them much, as I don't frequent them.

> Most of us are not so computer savvy, but I think we might manage something if you provide some general information or directions.
A simple solution would involve playing the game in a VM, but with them using TheMida, that may not be possible unless you patch your VM to be more stealthy to avoid detection. This may also be slow. The other solutions I can think of are a tad on the advanced side. If the game runs with limited priviledges, that may be another solution, as long as they allowed it in the ini file.

Random question to MMO players annoyed by gg's crappyness: If someone offered a cheap commercial gg-away(which removes it entirely) product for a cheap price/monthly subscription (since it has to deal with frequent updates), would you be interested in paying for it? It's probably a stupid question, as people on /jp/ probably have better things to spend their money on, but I think making such an application would be too much effort to keep constantly updated for anyone to bother working on it for free.

It is possible to stop gameguard. You don't even need to remove it from your system.

All you need is a custom game executable that doesn't launch it in the first place. This requires someone with some excellent assembly skills to decompile the game exe and craft a new one, minus the gameguard launch and check code.

There's a fixed no-gameguard executable for Aion (built for american release before ncsoft came to their senses and axed the pos) that is a small collection of files that are simply drop-in replacements for the official files. Poof! No more gameguard.

We just need someone with the proper skills to do it.

>>3515945
That doesn't work if the game has server-side check for it. It only works in less than 50% of the games where the developers were too lazy to implement it.

Protip: Don't install games that run this malware "gameguard" shit on your computer.

>>3515956
Server side checks? Damn, does gameguard really phone the server to say that it's running?

Well even if that is the case is should be possible to reproduce whatever gamegaurd is sending. But, depending on their validation scheme, that could make the project an impossibly large task.

Would runup have really implemented this though? It is runup, lazy and worthless.

does anyone here sell a maid uniform by any chance?

>>3515979
> Server side checks? Damn, does gameguard really phone the server to say that it's running?
Server sends normal game packet which contains an encoded gg request, and the game client can handle that packet and send it back to the gg lib which sends it to gamemon.

> Well even if that is the case is should be possible to reproduce whatever gamegaurd is sending. But, depending on their validation scheme, that could make the project an impossibly large task.

Validation scheme is complex, but not impossible (500 requests, each request's code is encrypted with a runtime key which is contained in the request from the server. The request id changes daily, so it's designed to be impossible to completly figure out, well it should be impossible if not for their oversights.) . Better solutions just mean running their code dynamically in a safe environment and have it do all the hard work for you - there's no way they can stop this.

> Would runup have really implemented this though? It is runup, lazy and worthless.

I don't know, someone go get the game executable/dlls, unpack it, and check if they implemented this. I could easily do it, but I'm not going to be around for the rest of the day. Or you could just disable it and see if the game server disconnects you after 5-10 minutes (default timeout value for request).

>>3516004

There were some being sold by Cafe Madonna earlier, but I don't know about now. Someone's probably selling them outside the north or south city gates.

Out of curiosity, do any of the other ECO distributions around the world use gameguard? Does the original japanese version?

Run Up is just a licensee, they cant do any significant changes to the game code. It has to be fully compatible with the future japanese patches coming down the chain.

I'm really surprised that they were able to add gameguard. I thought the limit of their access was "translating" text and repacking dat files to be sent with the client.

new thread >>3516074

>>3515907
My goal has always been a complete disabling of gameguard and, in case the server required authentication, an emulation of it's encrypted identifications. Just because I hate it's security compromising nature that casts illusions of security upon a laid bare code.

As for the gg-away tool you are thinking off, although a great idea in theory, if you go commercial you're facing lawsuits from INCA and I don't think they would stop short regardless of your conditions.
The best bet there, even though support could be questionable, would be a free development through GPL, you could even mask it as something else instead of advertising it like a gg remove tool, "Intrusive Rootkit Shield" would have a nice ring to it, and if required the gg emulator could even come as an unofficial underground plugin. The long term effects it would have are pretty much two choices, either gameguard gets defeated for good or it tightens it's already disgusting level of control which would only lead to more complains from the userbase. Either way their future would be certain doom and it would force programmers to start moving to other choices or finally get some motivation to program stronger codes.

Anyways, Thanks for the heads up on the info.

>>3516017
As of the latest patch, 1.90.9.10, the server won't let you login if it can't verify gameguard running on your machine. It also disconnects you after around 2m if you severly hamper gameguard's checks.

>>3516067
JP's server uses browser identification to start the client, no gameguard at all. Can't recall the other versions.

>>3516090
Yes, there's many possibilities. As for the lawsuits, if anyone digs deep into gg, they'll find many kinds of illegal practices, so many that a counter-suit could be filed if they decide to file one, except that they're based in South Korea and someone doing such a tool would be likely placed in a country with more liberal reverse engineering laws (speaking of which: gg doesn't come with an EULA, and last I checked, it doesn't warn the user of all the intrusive crap they're doing). The whole commercial idea was hypothethical anyways.