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>>34672988
Whoops, meant to link >>34492841 as previous

>>34672988
dead thread for dead game
Does anyone know what spells the female eudernia halloween child does?

>>34674734
Magic Dart, apparently.
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Halloween_children

>>34672988
More like coomiromi

>>34675652
Wow, I'm pretty dumb, I read the wiki page before and somehow missed that entirely
Well, halloween children are cute and totally that's all that matters when making one a pet

Just came inside of a fleshlight and am going to play for the first time. What should I do/expect.

>>34677243
Personally I prefer to choose a pet with powerful abilities and just give them a custom sprite.

Do pets handle being given dimensional move through AP well?

>>34683748
They have a 1/5 chance of using it when their target is in range 1 or 2.

>>34684415
Sounds perfect. Thanks.

>>34684415
Will they not use it if they have equipment that prevents teleport, or will they just waste a turn and stay stuck in the same place?

>>34677515
Fuck miromi's boy pussy

>>34688178
They'll waste a turn and stay stuck.

>>34688232
who?

>>34688452
your new god

whats the highest possible attribute potential %

>>34689019
In plus? 400%. In omake? ....it depends. You can get 455% with titles/trophies in NC, or 800%+ using starting stats.

I don't know nothin' 'bout mobile.

one day we'll get a custom-g update

I'm in the middle of Act 2 in plus and am looking to get new spellcasting pet
What's some good, preferably cute, casting pet I should add to my party?
I heard higher level pets are harder to train and thus get obsolete and need to be discarded later, is this true? Low level pets don't know many spells though, and AP training only gives a few spells, and I want my non-spellcasting pets to focus on their shooting/stabbing.

>>34691898
Yeah, high leveled pets have some problems with getting AP.
I think the Itzpalt pet is decent.

>>34691937
The Exile only know Magic Dart, Nether Arrow, and Dark Eye, and if evolved Eclipse, and isn't the cutest pet around though. Its special multicast ability doesn't work if you give it extra spells from AP training either.
Also I'll have to change gods, which is a pain

>>34689825
Will he come back?

>>34692603
Never left, just not enough free time to maintain Custom.

>>34691937
The Fox Brother starts from level 1 so has good AP gain and knows Mind Bolt, Magic Dart, Raging Roar, Nightmare and Divine Wisdom, and uses the Touch of Sleep special action, and can be evolved to get Megid Flame, is he good? I'll have to hoard a bunch of diaries though, and he's a BOY.

>>34691966
>isn't the cutest pet around though
You shut your whore mouth

>>34691966
Exile definitely works with AP darts,
A bigger problem is the poison nerve combine not working if you lock it to nerve arrow.

>>34691898
It's not so much the level as it is the speed INI, which can be dropped at the oblivion palace. Which means there are tons of good caster pets you could raise long term, the real issue is finding a cute one. There are very few cute NPCs and most of them have mediocre kits or just no kit at all.

Besides leaving your pet at ranches and shops, is it worthwhile to leave your pet at your home to work (or any other location)?
Curious if it would be worthwhile to train the less combative skills on my pets like jeweler/alchemy or if I'm always better off just doing that stuff myself..

fuck, I played a lot of elona a long time ago and I don't remember which one was the version

So with a new computer now I must ask, what are the differences between Elona+, custom, custom-G, plusone, omake or custom-GFU?

I don't know at all which one to play now

>>34696733
Just play Custom-G
It's what we gaijins deserve

>>34696733
Custom G is the better translated one, if you're playing + you want to play G.

>>34696843
>>34696846
thanks
I think the version I just played was +custom, besides better translation, what does G have?

>>34696733
>Elona+
The basic version of plus and the most updated. Translations are poor, but it's playable.

>Custom
A version of plus with better translations and some QoL features. It hasn't been updated in well over a year so it's somewhat outdated.

>Custom-G
Machine translates the parts that weren't already translated in custom, and removes several mechanics and reverts a lot of balance changes that the creator found objectionable.
if you like to savescum, spam overpowered spacts, and meme about piss, this is the version for you

>plusone
Latest version of plus with some QoL features and balance changes
I haven't played too much of it but I did like what I've seen so far.

>Omake
A whole different variant to plus entirely, plays significantly differently. I haven't played it so I can't say much more than that.

>>34696866
It includes a changelog. Better to see the facts for yourself rather than trust hearsay; there's some watersports-obsessed faggot in these threads that always posts lies about it because he's butthurt over the thirst/pissing mechanics being removed.

>>34697083
>spam overpowered spacts
Spacts are overpowered in every version of plus. The "nerfs" were trivial, and by extension Custom-G's reversion of nerfs was also trivial.
>>34697408
Take your meds

>>34697755
I mean, that's not wrong, but it's just the fact that Custom-G would even believe the nerfs needed reverting when spamming those spacts would still break the game in half kind of tells you a lot about the thought process that went into it.

>>34697840
>the fact that Custom-G would even believe the nerfs needed reverting
Incorrect. It's not so much a matter of "this needs to be reverted", but "why was this changed?". Changes that make no sense are not incorporated; simple as that.

>>34697924
Maybe if you spent all this time updating your version instead of defending it on anonymous messageboards we might not need to have this debate.

>>34697840
Why does it matter that the thought process was stupid if the end result is more or less the same? I'd understand if it was still being updated, because then you could argue that it'll get worse over time. But it's already a dead end.
>>34697924
>Changes that make no sense are not incorporated
Plus is full of changes that make no sense and Custom-G incorporated 99% of them anyway. In fact, Elona itself hasn't made any sense from the beginning. That's part of the charm.

>>34697940
Well, first I need to put my new computer together, since the old one got wrecked. After that, I'm going to work on an idea I had for a tool that uses regex to split a decompiled HSP file into smaller, more manageable files. (It'll be open source, naturally.) Then, assuming there's still no one maintaining Custom, I'll have to work on a new version of that before I can finally work on Custom-G again.
It's infuriating that I haven't been able to release a new version in so long, but I've finally got free time again, so unless civilization collapses or something I'll be able to release new stuff this year.

>>34698191
Why don’t u just help the open nefia guy? Wont his engine make it easier for you to mod the things you want

>>34696386
How does the oblivion place reduce ini? It doesn't say in the wiki
> the real issue is finding a cute one. There are very few cute NPCs and most of them have mediocre kits or just no kit at all.
I knoooow, life is suffering

>>34701969
it reduces a pet's stats and recalculates their INI with the new stats,
You can do it multiple times, to a minimum that tends to be around 400/50.

Any pet can be a dartcaster, the only time you need to choose specific creatures is if you want them to buff themselves or a ballspammer.

>>34702004
Oh, so the reduce stat option also works on pets, I see
I know, I just want a cute pet that knows a wide range of spells so that it can do many magic things, like buffs and debuffs and spells with cool animations like chaos or nether arrow.

>>34693567
>he's a BOY.

That's what forbidden meat is for anon

>>34696386
>the real issue is finding a cute one.

With sprite changing, you can make anything cute.

game crashed on loss mode and i got that nosave penalty. any way to reverse?

>>34703297
But I'll know and remember that it used to be uncute

>>34703536

Suck it up buttercup, you can't expect to have everything handed to you on a platinum platter.

anyone make that /vg/ elona guild yet

Are Blank Business Card and Business Card two separate things? I can't use the former to gain a class feat despite typing in lowercase letters as instructed.

>>34704765
Nevermind. The feat is just invisible for some reason.

>>34703387
Have backups/Don't play loss

What shopkeeper traits should I give my shopkeeper?

>>34696733
>>34697083
The best version is the most faithful one to Noa's and Ano's.

>>34707568
That's the most retarded thing I've heard in months. Congratulations.

just sold my wife

>>34697083
Omake is essentially just vanilla with QoL standalone enhancement mod
Plus is almost an entirely different game from the original

>>34703536
It's time to embrace moe anthropomorphism, anon.

>>34706815
i ended up using elosnack to turn off the buff, reset my karma, and fix my life/mana. Seems to work perfect

>>34707568
>The best version is the most faithful one to Noa's and Ano's.

Can't have it both ways, and Ano is the lesser master who hates fun and fetishizes nerfing and shitty "balance" changes.

>>34712377
Who hurt you, anon?

Ano BAD!!!!

>>34713288

what are the cutest pets i can get in game early-on?

>>34714225
Kobolina

>>34714225
a horse in the first town

>>34714225
Buy little girls at Derphy

How good is elona plusone?

>>34719991
It's decent, I don't disagree with any of the changes it makes.

>>34720117
Does it have some of custom version's QoLs, namely:
- the percentage of potential
- the stores' remaining time for replenishment

>>34720218
you can see what it does here https://github.com/1n17/elonaplusone

>>34720226
Oh, thank you for your time, Anon.

First time finding use for the resurrections spell to revive my pets before the boss floor and I get this message.
What does that message even mean? Are there some restrictions to the spell I'm not aware of?
Feeling scammed considering how hard it is to get stocks for this spell.

>>34720404
>if ( bonus < rnd(100) ) {
>txt lang(name(cc) + "の力は冥界に及ばなかった。", name(cc) + your(cc) + " prayer doesn't reach the underworld.")
>}
>goto *effect_end

>>34720701
I have rather limited coding knowledge, but does what you just describe state that if my resurrection spell bonus is less than a randomly generated number from 1-100 it'll fail?
Guess I'll stick to those one time book of resurrection instead of the spellbook version if that's the case.

From where can I get previous elona+ versions?

>>34721076
https://mega.nz/folder/KIAFlQyJ#kS22YPUE9Aa2jHLGssaXRg/folder/bdITiCJB

>>34721269
Thank you so much!

>>34721052
You just need to level the spell and your willpower some more, yeah. I think willpower is the more important of the two.

Can mediocre pets be fixed in oomSEST or are they stuck with what they come with AI/skill-wise?

Any GNU/Linux user here who has encountered a problem with custom music (mainly mp3)? Whenever I change the musics file and add mp3 files: the game crashes. The default music/sound works fine.

>>34724213
You'll need NC to teach them new spacts/etc/full AI, but you can give them a spellbook and have them cast those. Stock is consumed based on memorization stat, and you can set the rate they cast in their strategy menu.


>>34726883
Yes. I fixed it by never using mp3s.

>>34728023
Well, I fixed it. Currently the following is considered a somewhat messy but it serves the main intention: playing mp3 files. I found two approaches each with two different goals (I still have not tested if I can simultaneously play both the default music and the custom ones):
- Complete support for the default music and sounds effects.
- Complete (?) support for the custom music and sounds effects.

For the first approach; you need to install these packages: (1) wine-staging; (2) wine-gecko; (3) wine-mono; (4) winetricks. After that create a new 32-bit prefix and install the following dependencies:
- lib32-libpulse (change it based on your device default sound package. Check https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/WINE#Sound).).
- lib32-mpg123 mpg123 (I am not sure about mpg123 but I have it installed either before or after it).
- lib32-openal (also not sure if it is needed here).

Now use winetricks to install sequentially quartz, directmusic, gmdls.

For the second approach; just install the following in addition to the above mentioned dependencies (lib32-libpulse… etc):
- lib32-gst-plugins-base
- lib32-gst-plugins-good
- lib32-gst-plugins-base-libs

Do note that this was done in a clean, minimal Arch Linux installation (from 200–295 packages); thus get ready to embrace the dependencies hell!

>>34726883
Do you run it through wine or proton?

>>34729997
Wine.

>>34729752
How viable are chainsaws in E+?

>>34731043
High base damage, no real pierce. Basically, just like blunt weapons.

>>34731043
They're not good but weapon type doesn't really matter that much for melee so you wouldn't sacrifice much power by using them.

>>34714225
With a monstergirl character.bmp every pet is cute

So my god is Kumiromi and I have a farm. I thought he was supposed to turn my rotted fruits into seeds? I am playing Elona+ 2.04.

>>34737016
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Kumiromi_of_Harvest#Changes_in_Elona.2B
>His passive bonus has also been changed, so instead of producing seeds from rotting meat, his worshipers have their stamina restored by 1 every other turn.

>>34737182
fucken outdated wiki

what do devil fragments do, can't find anything on wiki

>>34740713
Changelogs should mention them and their purpose
IIRC they were for future content and not yet useful but version 2.something could have changed that

>>34740713
The wiki lists them as "dark fragments" for some reason I think. Apparently you can use them to gain "abyss power" as of 2.01?

Is there anyway that I can use to bypass the wizard mode gene ineligibility? I want to prepare the necessities (the utility items namely).

>>34743214
You could just get a gene file from someone with them.

>>34743214
You could use Elosnack to turn off your wizard mode flag.

faggot here. playing Elona+. hoe do i expand the screen?

>>34744559
Edit config.txt

Do Elements Eyes not work on Variable Storm?
The wiki says "It sets the element of the Variable Breath and Attribute special actions based on the player's choice rather than the user's highest elemental resistance." and when I tried using Elements Eyes on my pet it kept using the ball attack of its highest resistance instead of the one I wanted

>You can't drop items anymore.
wtf?? Is there a limit to how many items you can drop in home?

>>34747954
Yes, buildings have a max item limit. Therefore, you need to buy storehouses and stuff

>>34748076
I can't move because I'm grossly overburdened, and I can't drop anything cause of the item limit. lol I think I'm fucked

>>34748446
Are there lightweight things under your space? Perhaps you can pick those up and drop the heavy things and escape

It's been like 5 years since I've played e+ but I noticed that version >2 is out and I'm wondering: What's significantly changed between 1.x and 2.x? Also, I can tell sort of what Elona Mobile's deal is, but is it any good/similar enough to e+? Thanks for your time, anon-tachi

>>34748590
There's pissing mechanics now and a bunch of untranslated text
Play e+custom instead, it's actually translated. Don't be like me who got to Lost Ivra for the 1st time on E+ and bumbling around not knowing what anyone is saying and being unable to downgrade my save file to E+Custom which is still in version 1.9-ish
Elona Mobile is ptw garbage, don't do it

>>34748659
Good call, thanks for that. There are a lot more versions than I remember, so it's a bit daunting trying to know if I sink a lot of time into a character if I'll be able to enjoy new updates depending on the version. Do you know if E+Custom is still being updated?
The art looks cute on the mobile game so that's kind of a shame. Based on the developer who's made a lot of other shovelware, I'm kinda shocked that it's legit and not just literal theft.

>>34746600
It works but only for fire, ice, sound, chaos, and magic.

>>34748691
Nope, custom's dead. The only English translated lines being updated atm are NC, open nefia, and possibly foobar, though foobar hasn't seen an update since January.

>>34748965
Is there any way to cancel the Elements Eyes and return the ball spell back to the pet's max resistance element? choosing "Nothing" just keeps the element I chose before

>>34748965
That's dumb, why don't the other elements work?

>>34743214
This should work if I'm not mistaken. Because wizard mode disables auto save, so long as you don't manually save the game before you toggle it back off your save won't be flagged.

>>34749079
After doing more testing I found that choosing "Nothing" DOES work in clearing the selected element
So does the Ball spell on "Nothing" choose the pet's highest resist out of fire, ice, sound, chaos, and magic?

If you could only purchase either the treasure maps or the artifact seeds from the wandering vendors, which would you choose?
Balancing out how treasure maps give you additional goodies and refund a bit of gold, but artifact seeds are pretty afk friendly. Can be planted and subsequently collected all without leaving your home.
Would buy both if I could but I'm at the mid game point where I'm dumping a lot of gold raising my investing skill.

>>34753279
Artifact seeds. I wouldn't take treasure maps even if they were free. Useless wastes of time.

>>34754494
Didn't realize treasure maps had a bad reputation. But thanks, maybe I'll try and buy a bunch of artifact seeds to grow in my castle as I slowly grind out my fishing skill.

>>34754699
They don't, that's just what I think. Treasure maps give you a paltry few pieces of usually crappy gear and maybe a small medal or some other crap. It's faster to get those things from just DESTINY and blackmarkets.

I'm not saying artifact seeds are amazing either, but since they take so little effort to farm the effort:reward ratio at least balances out.

Didn't get that far yet, but are the later parts of E+ simply in japanese, or is it full of "untranslated sentence" messages?

>>34755773
Last I heard, huge chunks of the Act 3 main quest are untranslated, and Plus still doesn't translate the story cutscenes.

>>34755773
"Sorry this is untranslated" or copypasted random other parts of the game, which is even worse because it tricks newbies into doing stuff like killing guild leaders for Sophia.

>>34749474
Variable storm just turns into the appropriate ball spell (this is why it also works with combines)
Except nether for some reason?
So if there's no ball spell for that element it won't work.

so is elona +1 the best to start with then? Ignore mobile, omake, and custom which is dead?

>>34757058
Either that or standard plus, you likely won't notice the changes from plusone if you're new.

>>34757079
Oh, so plusone doesn't keep all of the translation changes of custom? I thought plusone was basically an upgrade of custom. I've got a lot to learn

>>34757092
Plusone is Plus with some QoL and minor balance tweaks.

When you summon a god to the Truce Ground will they remain there for the rest of the month or will they despawn once you leave the map?
About to hit 40 faith so I'll be able to receive the third favor reward, but I'm not at the 47 faith soft cap to both summon/receive the weapon simultaneously. I know I don't have to receive it in person but I want to do it for RP reasons.

>>34756989
>Except nether for some reason?
Also Thunder Vortex, Eclipse, and Poison Storm. I guess it only works for ball spells that were in vanilla.

>>34757199
They stay the rest of the month. And if you have the self control to not visit outside that month, they'll be there next year too.

tira is gay

ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCs_DIrlyqI

Any way to change furniture material without picking it up? Palmia bed spawned as iron and is too heavy to pickpocket

Is there any 'best' notable skill to pick at the start? Like, hard to train/obtain? I'm playing a lich warmage if that helps.

>>34758331
they're all hard dipending on your version of the game , since you can get by far and hard to get by wishes
the're usefull ones
I like vampire that restores stamina and fucks over enemy with high evasion but it's melee range
exorcist so you don't get your shit randomly cursed
that is if you mean special actions and not actual skills , since you can get skills by joining a guild or some random trainers

So question, How come in elona+ the keys listed on the menu tabs dont actually work for navigating, i have tp use tab to switch. what am i doing wrong?

>>34758389
I mean skills. In elona plus you can choose a free skill outside of class and race, or add +10 to a skill you do have. I'm just wondering if there's any skill in particular that helps early-game progression.

>>34758331
Greater evasion would be the logical choice here.

>>34758406
Marksman is the usual one for sniper thief shenanigans.
Pickpocket if you're not starting as a thief.

>>34758417
If you're playing a fairy for some reason.

>>34758406
weight is usefull but also trains easily

>>34758423
Is pickpocket training limited to guild trainers? If so, then I think I'll probably want to pick that, yeah.

>>34758434
you can pickpocket literal trees

>>34758406
Pickpocket for an early bbq set. Early game progression revolves around food, not combat, and pickpocket is the only food-related skill that you can't learn from regular town trainers. If you went thief though, you're free to pick anything.

Is it worth training riding for characters who use heavy weapons?

>>34758583
who do you pickpocket for the bbq set?

>>34758905
party time quests

>>34758882
That's what the zin-ba feat is for.

>>34758217
You can hit it with an alchemy rod, steal the new item, and then wait for the map to reset to hopefully get a lighter material.

>>34758941
So do they appear by themselves or are they on a npc?

>>34759531
you'll see them dotted around the area
Kill/teleport any nearby NPCs, remember their detection is based on distance, not line of sight, so walls won't help

>>34759561
Isn't it both, line of sight and distance?

>>34759623
I'm pretty sure line of sight doesn't matter at all, but I could be wrong.

>>34759623
LOS does matter in theory, but in practice the distance requirements mostly out range los concerns anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

>>34757200
There's no mind or nerve ball spells, so it looks like.... the only ball spells that work are ice, fire, chaos, sound, and magic, I see.

any way to make companions not walk in acid

>>34765840
Give them float. God pets and a few others get it by defualt, you can also find it on wings, as well as rarely on other equipment.

Disclaimer, gravity disables float.

I'm getting close to enough money to purchase an estate, but I'm struggling on where exactly I should place it. Being near the capital for tax reasons would be nice, as well as being central to a lot of stuff but what I have relied on for cash so far has been the fighters' guild, so maybe somewhere near port Kapul would be better. Is there any general place you guys would say is good for a home?

>>34766117
I prefer Palmia for party money and proximity to Yowyn for herb seeds. But Port Kapul is also a good town, so if you like doing guild stuff then that's fine too.

>>34766117
I placed my castle on the road between Palmia and Luminest and I would not recommend what I did.
Thought it was smart since it was half way between the mages guild which I use a lot, as well as Palmia and Noyel. However due to its proximity to the snow, it really dampers how good farming is inside my castle. Often have to use Lulwy's Statue due to how frequently the weather will pick snow over rain.
In hindsight I'd stick to building my home on the southern/central portion of the map.

>>34741370
Can make something with it using the pot. No usage for now

>>34758583
investing in furniture vendor also have a chance to sell bbq set

>>34766117
For estate it doesn't really matter, but I recommend you put the palace one or two tiles below truce ground. That way you can reach it and have rain, but still go a few tiles above and get snow so you can pass time very quickly.

>>34766117
>for tax reasons
Just buy a tax box dude

I have a spreadsheet with artifact names and their respective ids. what is the best way to go about sharing it with you anons?

>>34772711
>open spreadsheet
>press PrtScSysRq
>ctr-v it in paint
>repeat until you've got everything in 1 picture

>>34767254
So is it best to farm inside your castle/home, rather than buy your own farm plot? I don't know much about the farming mechanics so I don't know what's best to farm.

>>34773308
addendum to this question, what kind of servants are best to purchase/ can and should you invest in their shops/can you have more than one of the same merchant?

>>34773308
>>34773337
Should have specified I was playing OOMSEST. Because I am, I don't really get a lot of seeds since harvest time quest don't give those as a rewards like they do in plus variants. Which is why I just set aside a small plot in my castle for however few seeds I get. You probably shouldn't do this since you'll take a hit to growth chance whenever you plant your crop off a field tile.
For what servants to have in your castle I heard magic vendors were the best due potions of potential showing up in stock. Even at a low invest rank of around 25 my magic vendor will rarely stock them. Although you can have multiples I'm not sure if you will want to. I'm sure late game when you don't need the wizard/bartender you can replace them all with magic vendors. But they are nice quality of life for when you return from a nefia with a bunch of dead pets and unidentified stuff.

>>34773728
Goods vendors are the best
They sell a little bit of everything and few what other vendors can't (rods, etc)
Second best is the magic vendor for spellbooks and scrolls/potions which you'll need a lot even if your PC is not a spellcaster

Here are 1500 artifact names and their respective ID numbers. The quality of the names are all over the place due to randomization but there are plenty of good ones to use.