/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Saving others whilst not saving yourself is hypocritical because saving others at any cost is operating on a pretext that people matter
However, if you’re saving people at the cost of yourself you’re more or less saying you dont matter
But you’re still a person, so you do matter and you’re just choosing to not care about your own well being while telling others to care about theirs
Ergo, its hypocritical

>>34376933
>you’re more or less saying you don't matter
No just that you value the other people's lives more than your own. Or it could be that you wouldn't be able to live with yourself if you chose not save somebody when you could of, or that you couldn't live with not at least trying.

why are you arguing about a mistranslation

>>34377020
This kek

>>34376932

>>34377365

>>34377020
>>34377204
If my memory is right, didn't Archer/Kirei/whoever call it a 矛盾 (aka a contradiction)?

Arihiko had a hard life.

What are the chances of them adding Fate characters to Melty Blood: Type Lumina considering Nasu said the remake will link to FGO somehow?

>>34377411
Want more images of best girl, say no more.

>>34377497
This was a good side story. I hope remake Arihiko is used to his full potential.

>>34377434
Archer goes on about 偽善.

>>34377434
I don't know but the hypocrisy thing people always bring up is 偽善: Which does mean hypocrisy but also a lot of other things vaguely related to it, thanks to the kanji being so generic. Weblio for example defines it as
"To make oneself appear as a good person, opposite of 偽悪 (to intentionally appear evil)"
Shirou isn't committing good deeds to commit good deeds, he's going to satisfy his own ally of justice obsession. Which is why Archer brings it up.

>>34377549
>guaranteedreplies.jpg

Shirou should have just stabbed Sakura to death on the damn bed, blamed someone else, and then put on chuuni hero outfit and move the fuck out of town.

>>34377768
based and seiginomikatapilled

>>34377768
ive done this before

>>34377829
It is the best way to deal with problems.

>>34377768
>>34377781
You tards do realize that doing that wouldn't actually be holding up his ideals, that his ideals were to save everyone. There was no way to truly keep his ideals in tact

>>34377549
Considering that Sion won't be in it and Nasu says that the story will focus on Tsukihime and the 10 days before Tsuki Remake I doubt any Fate character will be added for now. Maybe DLC down the line to grab people's attention. I doubt it'll ever happen.

>>34377873
Shirou is the dark afro master who holds the sacred armor of Daimajin. Also he is certain he saw Lancer or Assassin escaping out of the kitchen sink after Sakura was found with the Ginsu knives stuck in her face.

>>34377873
but anon this is 4chan. You have to be edgy and immature and hate Sakura in order to gain praise from anons. You can't just be indifferent to her.

>>34377975
Killing Taiga for no reason would be edgy. Killing ccccccrazy avenger buddy is just practical.

>>34377892
I hope that this Melty being a bit more serious in tone doesn't mean Hisui and Kohaku are getting the boot.

Shirou should have fucked Taiga.

>>34378313

>>34378156
Melty was originally more serious than it ended up being. They'll eventually be implemented somehow.

>>34378489
BEEEE FREEEEEEE

>>34378544

>>34378156
Nah, the maids are in for sure. I'm sure they'll implement the Melty story and cast in a later installation. With Wallachia they can make all of the silly stories that they want. I think French Bread would want to get crazy in later installments so this first game looks like it'll establish the cast more and give us more scenes with the Tsuki cast. From the sound of it from the interview it looks to be quite a bit of writing that was left on the cutting room floor from the remake so I'm excited for that.

>>34378695

>>34378542
Just finished reading Twin Towers of Iselma. Her antagonism was quite enjoyable.

>>34378829
Case files was much better than I expected a shame that the translation is dead.

Hard to resist.

Shinji won!

>>34379126
nice meme

>>34379173

It was hard to resist and I rarely visit it lel

>>>/a/220756765

>>34379544
it really is

>>34379126
sexually harassing aoko in an overcrowded train!

>>34379825

>>34377975
Or you could pursue a heroic path that will kill you inside and save strangers you've never met instead

>>34377768
it sure worked well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jYjmFJbq3I

>>34380062
Sounds pretty based not gonna lie.

>>34380484
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCTHSPm3M1g

threadly reminder that fate girls are shit
us/bong hours coincide with fate hours which shit up the thread
ergo, mutts and bongs have shit taste and fate was a mistake

>>34380575
t. seanig

So is there any sort of a timeline for the English Mahoyo release? Judging from their website info, they're practically almost done.

>>34380615
Next year

>>34380615
they released 8.5 in may 2020 and made a post about refusing to release 9+10 at january 2021, so if we assume 9+10 were done at the time of the post, all of it makes me think full release will be at the end of of this year

>>34380680
Am I reading this shit correctly? Because it says that they have practically everything translated from French, now they just need to proofread and edit a few chapters, and they're done. No matter how I look at it, it's like a month of work at most.

>>34380778
>it's like a month of work at most

with 72% translation and 57% editing? lol

>>34380890
I thought FR-TL meant translation from French, and JP-TLC meant proofreading in Japanese. This is what their website is saying
>Our approach first involves a rough draft translated from Moon-Trad’s French script into English. That rough draft is then rigorously TLC’d by the proofreaders and editors to ensure that as much of the original JP intention (in both meaning and tone/prose) is conveyed, dampening the impact of issues inherent to direct double translation
If JP-TLC means editing and proofreading, then it shouldn't be such a herculean task. Just get people who know Japanese and English, and let them compare both versions side by side, they don't even need translation skills, simple common sense is enough.

>>34380948
if it's so easy, why won't you do it yourself? just study japanese, it's like a month of work at most

>>34380948
If previous translation projects have to taught me anything it's that editing can take a really, really long time.

>>34380971
I'm not saying it's easy, I'm saying it's not a year of work. The actual hard part is done, editorial work is a simple matter of going through the already finished manuscript and checking it for spelling errors and clunky writing. If I was fortunate enough to know Japanese, sure, I would've helped them out. But even as things stand, they should have enough people to finish it up in reasonable time, if they're not procrastinating of course.
Hell, I'd say finish up chapter 6 (it's still at 57% there), and release the whole thing as a beta, let anyone willing do the bloody spellchecking for you on github. I'm sure most people wouldn't mind.

>>34381047
merci pour votre contribution

>>34381035
It's a matter of discipline. Editing is not difficult per se, it's just really fucking tedious. You have to sit your ass down and work hard, reading and re-reading a book worth of text, weeding out shit 90% of people wouldn't even notice (and you only notice it because you have a degree in linguistics for some godforsaken reason). And if you work at your leisure, you might never get it done, which is probably what happened to Kagetsu Tohya's translation.

>>34380615
I heard them saying that the whole thing's gonna be released by summer, with no interim patches.

>>34381186
Sounds good then.

Daily reminder the Mahoyo and DDD translation are beyond terrible and you're better off learning japanese by yourself.

>>34381933
This but you're still better off learning Japanese regardless of translation quality.

>>34381933
Every translation ever is terrible, but not everyone can simply learn the language, so whatever.

Aoko is the hottest type-moon character, especially with red hair

>>34381933
It's hard for me to imagine just how fucked DDD would be by a shit translation.

bear legs

>>34386355
Bearlegs?

>>34386355

>>34386355
I’ve really grown to like her remake design. Well, the fan art of it at least.

The best ships of type-moon

>>34387832
Based.

>>34387832
As much of a hack as Nasu is he at least has good taste with incest being a thing in his works. It must be weird since he has said that he has two older sisters in his family. I wonder how they’d react to his stories if they’ve heard or read them.

how the fuck am i getting so emotionally invested into characters from a fucking 20 years old dating sim

>>34387832
Illya is the only who doesn't lust for her brother.
Kiritsugu would be proud.

>>34377768
>blamed someone else
how? Shirou isn't smart enough to dispose of a body or frame another person for murder

>>34386355
Bear children

>>34387767
Arc is beautiful and is best girl no matter what

>>34388988
Did Arc just cosplay as Saber?

>>34389499
Yes

>>34389602
Saber's breasts in that pic are too big. She has smaller ones.

Don't think I've ever seen this page in the manga scans before. Is this a bonus scene in the physical edition or what

>>34389800
Rude. You're talking about a king, do you realize that? Learn some etiquette.

>>34389913
A king that was lewded since day one, since the original vn came out with Saber's sex scenes.

>>34389989
There's nothing lewd about sex.

>>34389800
they look about normal to me. Considering she becomes a titty monster in the future she should have bigger breasts

>>34385155

bad ends in tsukihime are really lazy compared to fate, nasu literally utilizes the same pages but ends them with shiki's death instead of deus ex machina

0 tiger dojos out of 10

>>34385155
no

You've been in a coma for... quite some time.

>>34390252
Some are more fun than others. Unlike bad ends in FSN, their purpose is to punish you for wrong actions, and that's about it. It's not like you're encouraged to collect them or anything.

>>34390548
>Unlike bad ends in FSN, their purpose is to punish you for wrong actions

really? so what's up with taiga saying all the time 'damn, you really should have did X instead of being a dick to saber/illya/sakura'?

>>34390252
All worth it for that one bad end in Kohaku's route with Akiha.

>>34390691
In FSN, bad ends became a much larger part of the experience, with Taiga Dojo stamps and whatnot, because Ciel-sensei's lessons were a big success, so Nasu wanted to expand upon that concept. So bad ends in Tsukihime can seem simpler and tamer in comparison.

>>34390980
>In FSN, bad ends became a much larger part of the experience

really? i didn't notice it when i said 'bad ends in tsukihime are really lazy compared to fate'

Do I lack basic reading comprehension or does >>34391231 make no sense?

Hopefully the remake expands on the bad ending Ciel-sensei segments.

>>34391490
perhaps you lack some neuroleptics you forgot to take this morning

>>34385155
False

>>34392001
Yeah, because brown Aoko is better than red.

>>34377712
Always thought Shirou was more of a "chaotic neutral" honestly. Extra archer was even closer to Shirou than EMIYA and he did say that he was only following his own sense of justice and didn't care much for the system around him

>>34386355
Fucking Takeuchi and his obsession with this type of jacket

>>34392245
Wouldn't that depend on a route? Fate's Shirou was Lawful Good, UBW's Shirou had more of a Neutral lean, and HF's Shirou could be considered Evil (in a sense that he knowingly put Sakura above all, despite her crimes).

Why is Tsukihime manga so fast paced? Shiki did a complete 180 in like 10 chapters and became this super chad assasian out of no where that can do back flips. Why did the one guy with all the shikigami/familiars arc end so fast? He died like 2 chapters after his appearance. I get he wasn't the main villain but there was no build up to his death it just happend. I'm at the part where his sister and that one girl fought and I'm confused as to where the fuck this came from? There were no hints at it before just all of a sudden she loves him so much and has super powers.

>>34392364
You're probably the only person here who read it without playing the game. Are you Japanese or something?

>>34389859
The scans were always terrible in the later half so not surprising if some got missed

>>34389859
>He didn't read the sex scenes in the VN and in the manga
This is sad for you, anon.

>>34392001
knk touko is better tan mahoyo touko

>>34392619
do you have the Ciel-sensei chapter?

HF3 gets an 8/10 from me because they cut out some stuff and didn't make the second ending like with UBW

>>34393100
I think everyone agrees with that.

>>34392032
Yes.

>TOUKO I LOVE YOU
what happens next

>>34394568
Consensual rape via amazonian mating press.

>>34394650
>familiar is a wolf boy
YOU JUST KNOW

>>34394580
god I wish

>>34394654
Touko on all fours?

>>34394654
They played fetch?

>>34394497

>>34394654
Lugh only dates chads.

What is with all the Touko posting lately?

>>34394839
Don't care, really.

A couple days ago I was in one of these threads raving for a couple posts about how good the first two HF movies were, and hoping that they weren't going to trip at the finish line...

Well, they didn't trip, per se, but they sure as fuck stumbled.

>>34395291
How'd they stumble?

>>34395312
DBZ fight between Rider and Saber, for one. It's been twelve years since I read F/SN, but even I know they shouldn't be causing that much damage without noble phantasm use.

Past that... I dunno. It just feel underwhelmed. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a good telling, but the original story was amazing so 'good' just doesn't feel good enough.

>>34395230
Aoko deserves to be hugged, hand holded while walking beside and smiled at.

Boy, I sure can't wait for the second attempt at a Tsukihime anime to use the less-good remake designs instead of the originals.

>>34395477
We walk the same path.

>>34395505
Nothing can be worse than the terrible redone designs for the original anime so the remake will look better and Akiha won't look like a woman in her 20's.

>>34395533
>implying Akiha

Let's face it, it's just going to be Arc again.

>>34395558
? Akiha will be in the show no matter the route. The remake designs may not be ideal but they’ll better designs than the JC Staff designs.

So, I just finished all Ten Nights of Dream. Tohno Family Con Game is still amazing, but for some reason the Summer Festivals aren't popping up. Do I need to do something else in the main game to unlock them?

>>34394739
Remember that lugh can change size and shape. Touko's been taking that knot in every hole she's got

>>34395336
I get you, and for me it's because they downplayed some things that made the end of HF special. One of the biggest sins in my eyes is that the effects releasing Archer's arm has on Shirou were toned down, inconsistent and glossed over. I recall correctly, in the VN his mind and body is starting to fall apart before they enter the cave, and it lends a sense of urgency, emphasizes the strength of his conviction, and adds a sense of sadness towards to inevitability of the end when he leaves the house for the last time. Yet in the movie his loss of mental ability just kind of comes out of nowhere near the end when he hands Sakura to Rider to Sakura, disappears just as quickly when Kirei shows up, and then suddenly he's worse again when Illya appears.
>DBZ fight between Rider and Saber, for one. It's been twelve years since I read F/SN, but even I know they shouldn't be causing that much damage without noble phantasm use.
I enjoy it, but I do get a little frustrated when I think about how much focus it got compared to Shirou vs Kirei. I thoroughly enjoyed Sakura vs Rin though. NLBW was okay; build up was good; actual execution of the encounter was unfulfilling, the 1080 no-scope slash was retarded.

>>34389859
The tankoubon has a few extra pages. Like this one.

>>34395895
And this one, that I at least don't remember seeing.

Lol, guess Nasu's comment about the maids being sub-heroines is a call back to this sentence from so long ago. It's either that or a coincidence.

>>34393346
>didn't make the second ending like with UBW

did you really want to see sakura suffering even more?

CUTE

>>34395336
>it's a good telling

>>34395901
Yes, this has been touched on. If you read the PDF bundled in plus disc, it says the same thing.

>sub-heroines

>>34395940
Yes

>>34395667
You need to have seen EP.

>>34395940
Well, they instead chose to have a bizarre, tonally disparate combination of the two endings, so yes, that would have been preferable.

>>34394739
We got Werewolf but have we see Werecat ?

>>34397542
>combination of the two endings

you ok? HF3 ending is the true end

>FGO is in a dire need of new chapters and characters, more than ever
>Tsuki's Far Side, more Melty(?)
One of those is getting fucked unless they clone Nasu.

aoko just can't compete

>>34399337
just give the old characters bigger tits, problem solved

>>34399337
Nasu is not writing for FGO.

>>34399770
It’s already been confirmed that he’s writing LB6. The script must be done by now after so much time or he’s taking longer due to working on Tsukihime. He said that he finished writing Tsukihime at the end of the year so he should be working on FGO and working on the finishing touches of Tsuki.

Mahoyo is LETDOWN after 6th chapter. Waste RED AOKO IS HOT to compromise however

>>34395847
Yes, that's exactly it. I liked the way they subtly hinted at Archer's arm destroying Shirou's mind, but it shouldn't have been subtle to begin with, and the climactic battle with Kirei should have gotten a lot more time and focus than Saber's fight with Rider.

>>34395847
>Yet in the movie his loss of mental ability just kind of comes out of nowhere near the end when he hands Sakura to Rider to Sakura, disappears just as quickly when Kirei shows up, and then suddenly he's worse again when Illya appears.
There's also the part where he suddenly wakes up in his bed after Berserker fight

I'm surprised Takeuchi didn't design a Vtuber yet, with how prolific of a designer/artist he is. Maybe he should make something for Asakawa Yuu's streams.

>>34404889
No Vtuber wants to look like Seiba, I guess.

>>34405408
Nah, I'd say every Vtuber would kill to look like Seiba. Takeuchi just doesn't work outside of Type-Moon.

>>34395901
They've always been sub-heroines.

>>34403667
>Mahoyo is LETDOWN after 6th chapter.
Garbage taste detected.

>>34397913
It technically follows that story, but it's presented tonally and thematically the same as the normal end. Also, many secondaries thought Shirou was still dead because Sudou refuses to make sense or use words.

>>34404585
That's not because he was blanking out. They just randomly had him faint there.

>>34405693
yeah, rin just telling the entire backstory of the last 2 years would be so much better, but at least secondaries wouldn't miss out on such subtle details because you care so much about them

also, for those who watched KnK, the ending makes perfect sense

>>34405789
Yes, it would. Also, these so-called subtle details aren't subtle at all.

>if you watched KnK
This is HF 3, not KnK 12. Don't be stupid.

>>34405628
Interesting how those early designs were somehow even more garishly colorful than the final ones.

>>34404585
Honestly, that just came off like they skipped ahead for time. If it is a result of memory loss, then it's extremely poorly conveyed.

>>34405789
on second thought, you don't even need to watch KnK to understand it. illya asks shirou if he wants to live in WHATEVER form, he replies he wants to live, and when you see the doll and the container glowing up, unless you're a diagnosed retard, it's clear what happened. but i guess not for underage shounen fags

>>34405859
>This is HF 3, not KnK 12

both are type-moon, both are ufo, touko cameo, both have anime adaptations and available to secondaries, my mentally challenged friend

>>34396877
I like the sub-heroines more then the main ones.

You're in charge of shoehorning Arc into at least one Far Side route for the remake. How do you do it?

>>34405628
>>34405918
this old art style is so charming, I love the 80s/90s manga aesthetics

>>34405628
I’m glad Takeuchi didn’t use these colors for the final design. His choic of colors has always been confusing at times and choice of clothes. Is this from the comiket demo or the trial version? I also read the plus disc and they talked about there being a trial disc that only has ten copies. Does anyone know if we have screenshots of the trial version?

>>34406172
during the hisui route, when kohaku tries to suicide arcueid walks by and dabs before leaving

>>34405968
You're operating from the perspective of someone who already knows what happens. You're not qualified to disregard other people's experiences as if they're subhuman. You're admitting it requires you to infer a series of extremely vague things that can be interpreted plenty of ways in short order, including recognizing that a bundle of porcelain that is mostly out of frame is a human body in about one second.

Being knowable isn't the same as reasonably expecting someone to know something. Even if one could see KnK, the HF movies do not advertise that they're ever referenced. Expecting someone to know something not contained in a movie or its prequels is the definition of bad filmmaking.

Aside from its comprehensibility, do you have anything to say about its creative decisions?

>>34406365
sorry to hear that you're retarded, bro

go watch UBW or something

>>34406365
The KnK movies are referenced? I haven't seen them, just read the VN a long time ago, and I understood what was going on just fine.

>>34406522
Go back to /a/ already.

>>34406766
Touko and the puppet body in the ending.

>>34406964
Puppet body was in the original VN though, that's not a KnK reference.

>>34406964
>Go back to /a/ already

but you're the only one here who knows what secondaries understood or not

Do they even explain what Heaven's Feel is in the movie? I can't remember, but I don't think so.

>>34407034
Not him, but I also know what they understood, since I watched Fates with my anime only friend and had to explain most of the stuff in movies to him

>>34407062
Kinda

>>34406284
It's from the original incredibly rare floppy trial. It's less of a trial and more something that just introduces the characters and plot. They rereleased it with plus disc.

>>34407001
It was a reference in the VN as well. It was just explained there so you didn't have to already know where it was coming from.

>>34407189
>It was a reference in the VN as well.
...Wait, shit, when was KNK written?

>>34407222
Between 1998 and 99. Its failure was the motivator for Tsukihime, then it was reprinted in 2004 and again between 07 and 08.

>>34407123
Fuck my memory is bad. Did Illya at least say it was about soul transfer and shit in this scene?

>>34407256
Huh, interesting.

>>34407256
There's also the doujin printing from 2001, which is realistically how anyone would have been able to read the entirety of KnK when SN came out.

>>34407070
had to tell your friend go back to /a/

>>34407463
It was published on their website, right?

>>34407653
The first 5 parts were, but the last 2 were written a bit later and only given to Nasu/Takeuchi's friends. It was 2 years later in 2001 when the general public could read the whole story.

>>34407545
He doesn't even use this site

>>34408073
sorry, forgot to put sarcasm tags, redditor

/s /s /s /s /s /s /s /s

>>34408114
ex

>>34407819
Is reading them vital to enjoying the movies the way reading F/SN is vital to enjoying the HF movies?

>>34403266
why do they act as if Nasu's phoned in writing is what keeps people playing fgo instead of the coomer skins?

I wish they gave Sion tan skin, but I guess that would've clashed with her design too much. Still, a tan Sion is interesting besides the Dust of Osiris obviously.

>>34408224
Wish she kept the pole.

>>34408114
Ebin

>>34408174
The movies are mostly very well regarded, but they screwed up the 6th one.
It's up to you whether you want to read before you watch, but I'd recommend you eventually do both. If you don't know Japanese you should forget about reading them though because apparently the translation's horseshit.

>>34408224
Ridiculously hot.
I'm sure Takeuchi will give Sion tanned skin when they remake melty.

>>34408326
>If you don't know Japanese you should forget about reading them though because apparently the translation's horseshit.
Fuck. Movies it is, then.

>>34408326
Speaking of translations, Tsukihime Remake in English when?

>>34408353
never

>>34408207
Probably because it's both.

Even phoned-in, Nasu's creativity far outshines most of the garbage a lot of people read these days.

>>34408357
Why not? You'd think F/GO's success would teach them that people actually want this stuff.

>>34408353
Hopefully never

>>34408353
right now

>>34408384
Shut up and enjoy your localised Melty Blood Lumina for xbox one.

>>34406365
>>34406766
>The KnK movies are referenced

I’d recommend starting with the movies even if some details aren’t in the movies. The music, tone, and atmosphere are so good that they made me fall in love with the series. The sloppy writing and exposition can hinder the movies but the tone of the urban fantasy and the brutal tone of the movies just made me so fascinated. The first movie with Shiki walking around the city that looks deserted is one of my favorite sequences in anime.

>>34408499
>The sloppy writing and exposition

Examples?

>>34408519
It mainly comes from Touko giving long exposition talks and being vague about things. Nasu likes to be confusing and obtuse with his wordy writing and doesn’t just come out and say what is going on until the end with the charcter recaping the long explanation with a sentence or two.

>>34408353
lol

>>34408421
...You're joking, right? It's got to at least be on PC as well, an Xbone is just a crappy PC.

>>34408384
Because Nasu's genius writing cannot be translated correctly into inferior languages.

>>34408326
i haven't read the novels so im curious, what did they mess up about the sixth movie? it was my second favourite movie out of them all

>>34408655
Okay but seriously, what's the real reason.

>>34408663
Nasu's racist and hates gaijin (good).

>>34408657
oh wait, i misremembered 6 as 5, question still stands though

>>34408657
>>34408672
I was about to question your sanity. The short answer is basically "everything". The movie is more like a fanfic than a proper adaptation.

>Nozomu Abe, Masayuki Kunihiro, Mitsuru Obunai key animation

Will the new Tsukihime anime surpass KnK?

>>34408738
I doubt it. They probably won’t be movies and the OST won’t be as good.

shirou vs archer is where typemoon peaked

>>34408884
What went so right?

>>34408884
Your not wrong.

>>34405693
>pour all your resources into the servants fighting each other because that's what secondaries want to see
>don't even bother explaining a major plot point in a way most of them will understand
Who is this movie made for?

>>34409237

>>34409248
It doesn't seem like there's anything to note of in that thread.

>>34394654

>>34408678
I only remember there was a blond guy named Lio and how it ends, but i have no idea why he did anything.

>>34409577
Shiki should have abandoned his trash harem and gone fore the sexy /ss/ witch

>>34409522
Wrong film.

>>34409626

>>34409626
She taught Shiki how to obtain a harem with his latent powers.
Such power is no use to her.

>>34409626
>>34409703
Why was Aoko such a good mentor to Shiki?

>>34409849
Lust.

>>34409849
She says wise words like Uncle Ben except she’s a hot red-headed sensei.

>>34409849
Magic.

>>34409632
Then the 6th was the one with Mikiya's sister?

>>34409626

>>34409963
Not canon.

Damn. I read Tsukihime for the first time. I already read the arc route and the ciel route and got both endings from both heroines. I now finished the Akiha route for the first time and what did I get? The extra normal ending. It seems my affection for Akiha was too low.

>>34410011
Akiha's affection doesn't matter in her route, Ciel-sensei says so. All that matters are your choices in the end.

>>34409986
It can be canon in your heart.

>>34409957
Right that one. It was shit.

>>34409986
Carnival Phantasm is a canon timeline in the Nasuverse.

>>34380062
I'd be a complete scumbag and choose Sakura, then abandon her and turn it into the Saber Alter route!

Kill Sakura, blame Shinji, marry Rin.

Why was Tsukihime so successful in 2000?

>>34410208

>>34410208
It was a good time for VNs and it oozed with pure soul.

>>34410208
Was it? Outside of 4chan, did it even leave a lasting impression? It hasn't even gotten an anime besides that old one and the silly spinoff thing.

>>34410260
No man, it totally didn't. It didn't sell at all, no one cared, and the entire Nasuverse that followed it is just a fever dream we're all collectively having.

>>34410075
>>34410114
Nah. Tsuki and Mahoyo are it, really.

>>34410208
Because it was an amazing piece of art, unlike anything anyone has seen back then. Sure, there were early sound novels like Otogirisou and date sims in the mid-90s, including watershed games like Dokyuusei and YU-NO, but the genre as we know it today was still coming into form, and Tsukihime was one of the pioneers, inspiring many other writers, especially because it was such a technically simple project.

>>34410131
What's that a screenshot from?

>>34410490
FGO's F/Z event.

>>34410541
Oh. Lame.

FGO Kantai Collection collab when?

>>34410633
Bongo bongo pls don't ruin the Kongou.

>>34410633
Illya should be one of those zombie boats

>>34410344
What nasuverse that followed it? Does anything even take after Tsukihime's lore? Wasn't it all rewritten to revolve around Fate?

>>34410208
I'm not an expect in VN history, but I don't imagine a indie and urban fantasy story like it was being made at the time. It also has a dark tone that was the style at the time. The quality of the writing and other subjective features made it stand out at the time.

>>34410699
>Does anything even take after Tsukihime's lore?
Are you fucking serious? Do you not know what Melty Blood is?
If you don't give a shit about Tsukihime, it doesn't mean no one else does.

>>34385155
Laughs in Alice

I want Aoko to use nap magic on me and force me to use her chest pillows.

>>34394568
proceeds to steal your magic crest

>>34394568
The stork brings babies.

>>34403667
Bruh, after chapter 5 is when mahoyo starts to get extremely good. I can't even fathom why you think so. Both from a shonenfag perspective and a slice of life fan one the second half is good, plus, you know the characters way better.

>>34410893
I'm a muggle

How would aoko react if touko fucked shiki

>>34410633
Kantai Collection ruined Fate as a franchise, and you can't convince me otherwise.

>>34411199
How?

>>34410967
Was F/SN a rehash of Mahoyo?

>>34411256
Kantai Collection was the first major 'grind for png files with moe personalities' game. It didn't have microtransactions, but if it hadn't gotten as big as it did Fate/GO would never have happened.

If Fate/GO doesn't happen, the franchise stays good.

>>34411263
No they're nothing alike really.

Tohsaka's motto is always miniskirts and always clumsy not always elegant.

>>34411143
Crying while masturbating.

>>34411199
I'd blame Aniplex more for proposing the idea of mobile game and Nasu for accepting it and going in hard on it. If Type Moon was bigger and let FGO be run by a small group that didn't treat the lore seriously, FGO could just be a thing that didn't matter that much to the rest of Fate so Nasu could work on other things. Sadly, FGO's popularity made TM have hands on deck approach to the game so they had to work on it at all times.

>>34411319
Spiderman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHtlRlFRU30

Why didn't Mahoyo get an anime adaption?

>>34411359
Why didn't Mahoyo get an anime adaptation YET.

>>34411359
Nasu said in the latest Tsukihime interview that he doesn't see Mahoyo as an entertainment series to put into other media like anime. It was more like a personal project to him to release and be done with. Tsukihime and Fate are entertainment series that are more suitable towards anime. I doubt he'll continue Mahoyo as it is different to him compared towards the other series. That's my speculation at least.

>>34410800
>>34410806
>>34411143
>>34411337
The truth to it all is.

>>34411565
You must've used a great spell to get Arc and Aoko to take a bath together considering how anxious they are around each other that they could both destroy each other.

>>34411637
The magic of bare legs.

>>34411348
>Nasu for accepting it
It was Takeuchi who kept pestering him about it, even got him a smartphone.

>>34411712
Why does Takeuchi have to ruin EVERYTHING.

>>34411637
If Aoko had to be paired with anyone, Arc is the best choice by far.

I kind of wish they kept Fukusawa for the Heaven's Feel. Not that I don't enjoy Kajiura's music, she was fine for Fate/Zero and did a great job for Kara no Kyoukai. That said, I feel like Fukusawa's work on the Unlimited Blade Works sounds more like Fate/stay night, even when he wasn't arranging actual tracks from the game.

Fukasawa, I meant. Anyway, they had the right idea with only having Kajiura come in to do 1 or 2 tracks that directly referenced Fate/Zero for the UBW anime. I remember being a little disappointed when I heard they gave the entire thing to her for HF.

>>34411359
Nasu said in an interview (you can check it in tsukikan, iirc it's the "rebirth of the origin" one) he would only think of a mahoyo anime after the three parts were released. Meaning circa 2103 by the current type moon pacing.

>>34412478
I like Fukasawa's OST for UBW too and never got the hate for it. Sure, some tracks sounded like generic Hollywood action music, but the tracks he made for the anime that were taken from the VN were great. I still like Kajiura's OST though and don't get the hate for that one besides the lack of VN music. It isn't the best work she's made and I would've liked Fukaswa's OST for the HF movies so agreed.

>>34408657
Basically, it was watered down and rewritten at times. To name a few things:
>the incident that prompted the investigation at Reien was two students attempting to stab each other upon receiving letters with memories of secrets they had forgotten
>these letters made everyone wary of one another
>Kurogiri is Ouji's brother, she found out about it through some memories she snatched from him
>Ouji used the fairies as a way to payback the bullying Kaori received and turning their backs to Kaori with her problems
>Kaori got pregnant while at Reien and kept it as secret until she had enough
>there was an fire incident in the old school building, Kaori was found there but it's presumed she died before the fire spread
>it's presumed Kaori was pregnant and died of overdose
>remember how Reien is an all-girls academy? well, Hayama entering the school stirred up interest not so much in him but in the potential freedom he could share with them (the outside world, Reien is pretty strict)
>Hayama didn't die of overdose or anything like that, he was killed by fairies
>turns out Hayama was taking Reien girls (out of their own will) out to the streets to do some lewd shit to the point it almost became a prostitution ring
>since most of them came from wealthy families, they fetched a huge sum
>even the yakuza had connections with it
>Kurogiri taught Ouji magecraft? iirc and he was the one actually bringing memories from oblivion
>Kurogiri knows Araya
>they cut the whole conversation between Kurogiri and Shiki

Don't remember the rest.

Just wrapped up Drinking Dreaming Moon, rereading Tsukihime and Kagetsu reminded me why I fell in love with Type-Moon in the first place. I still have Melty's story to go, but I'm already getting meloncholic.

>>34412945
>Princess of the Moon
>Ten Nights of the Verses and Moon
>Twilight Glass Moon, Fairy Tale Princess
>Type Moon

Where did the soul go?

why is medusa a hero, anyway, she was literally a monster

also why is her np bellerophon when that was the hero with pegasus, not pegasus

>>34413179
Read the VNs.

>>34413179
btw i'm aware of the version where she was originally a human, but all she did was have sex or something then die, where are the heroics

>>34413179
From Fate/side material:
>She is not a proper Heroic Spirit, but categorized more as an Anti-Hero, an enemy of mankind.

From Fate/Zero:

>"I saw through the battles of this round from the start. Truth be told, just by looking at that despicable Caster at the start of the War, we should have been able to tell that the summoning didn’t call forth a Heroic Spirit, but an evil spirit far removed from heroes. Without a doubt, something has begun to err within the Heaven’s Feel system. We need to solve this problem first.”

>>34413179
Medusa's excuse as Rider is a flimsy rewrite on Nasu's part--Pegasus was born FROM her death, not before. She was known for brutality to men, not for riding

>>34413052
It was packaged into lootboxes that never got released.

>>34408657
Everything that went wrong in that movie comes from Nasu himself. For some reason he felt like rewriting fucking everything and the director didn't tell him to fuck off. End result was a movie everyone considers shit, then the same director got to do UBW because Nasu liked that he did whatever he was told.

>>34413878
>End result was a movie everyone considers shit, then the same director got to do UBW because Nasu liked that he did whatever he was told.

What's so bad about UBW?

>>34408657
In the novels Kurogiri was op as fuck. His language bullshit allowed him to give orders in a way in which nobody except other people that speak the unified language could resist it, his orders were like orders from the world itself.
Nasu decided to change it for the movie so that it's audio only and can be blocked by headphones because he wanted things to be simpler.
You know how KnK 6 has a focus on Azaka and her incest lust? In the novels the Ouji chick hanging out with Kurogiri believes he is her actual brother and it could be true.
You know how in the movie Kurogiri just vanishes? In the novel he dies getting stabbed by a student in school a few days after everything is over. Heavily implied Ouji did it.

they pretty much cut everything that wasn't Azaka or Shiki related to keep the runtime down for some reason

Never finished HF, but I do know about the Shinji/Sakura rape scene. I got the big fat, 13gb Fate/Stay Night Realta Nua fanpatch, but there are no definitive answers as to whether or not it restores this scene that was apparently removed from Realta Nua proper. Does the fanpatch restore it?

>>34414583
Yes, same with the H-scenes.

>>34414691
Based, h-pilled. Time to finally finish this shit even though Sakura is clearly worst girl.

>>34414704
>Realta Nua

good luck going through fate and ubw first

>>34415340
The fanpatch has shortcuts to each route.

The worst part in FSN is the prologue. It's incredibly dumb, introducing characters and concepts for no real reason (all of them get reintroduced later, from Shirou's perspective), a good two hours of reading just to get to the opening cutscene and the main fucking menu. I guess Nasu really wanted to show off Archer's cool little introduction, but even that could've been done in UBW.

>>34415485
What's wrong with Rin's prologue that sets up the entirety of FSN?

Speaking of Ufotable's choreography, these guys captured exactly what I imagined when I was reading FSN. No citywide explosions, no flying through the eternally suspended rubble in the sky, none of that DBZ stuff. Just warriors fighting each other on equal ground, and unleashing magical powers at some points. Sometimes, less is more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4bqWZrFzbc&t=113s

>>34415634
After re-reading it, I realized that it's a waste of the reader's time. It doesn't really set things up, it just gives you a quick rundown, which is not that necessary, because everything will be explained to Shirou in due time.

>>34415658
>still trying to force DBZ shit
Give it a rest my man.

>>34410551
It's written by Urobutcher, and was supposed to end even more tragically than F/Z. But Nasu/the devs intervened and gave it a happy ending. Kinda underwhelming, considering it's basically Waver redoing his past and succeeding- would rather have seen it blow up on his face.

>>34415698
Whaddya mean? I know other anons mentioned it before, but it is a legitimate complaint with HF movies.

>>34415683
>It doesn't really set things up,

>>34415731
We get the whole Reality Marble thing explored later, it wasn't necessary so early into the story. That's the problem with the prologue, it's pretty damn unnecessary. Not pointless, but mostly a waste of time that starts the novel off on the wrong foot.
It's not a huge deal either, just a gripe I remembered when I was re-reading it recently.

>>34415485
I can see it being a bit redundant on a reread but I liked it the first time around.

>>34415731
oh no, not the foreshadowing

If I wait another 10 years will they announce a TV anime for Heaven's Feel that undoes the fuck ups of the movies like Unlimited Blade Works got?

>>34415813
No.

You might(emphasis on might) see a new anime adaptation of the Fate route though

>>34415658
>>34415698
>>34415718
Nasu: When we first had a meeting about the screenplay, I mentioned, “You don’t need to fight at the park (just like in the original game), so you can choose a different situation.” The original game had limitations on the number of 2D backgrounds we could use, so in battles, we only had the park or a hilly road. (laughs) But in animation, there was no need to conform to those limitations. The anime staff all held high regards for the original game, so they got picky about situations that are depicted in the original game. But I was afraid that “the decisions reluctantly made on the original game due to production limitations might be inherited to the animated version.” But considering our history together of all the titles we’ve worked on, I had the confidence that ufotable had the manpower and the reliability that they would do something about it. So I told them, “It’s fine if it’s not perfectly conformed to the original story.” By saying so, the staff had the joy of presenting the best possible suggestions without fear.

>>34415813
perhaps if you make one million posts on /jp/ with your bitching how much you don't like HF movies, i'm sure Ufo will remake them by this christmas and call it 'nasu's cut'

>>34415896
>>34415813

>>34415874
God bless Nasu.

>>34415874
It's fine to use different backgrounds instead of hills and parks, that's great even. Imagine how creative you can get with the choreography in a densely packed scene, that was Jackie Chan's bread and butter. But when Alter seemingly annihilated most of the Einzbern estate in her fight with Berserker by shooting literal sword nukes everywhere, that looked like something straight out of a Zucker, Abrahams and Zucker spoof comedy. That's not what combat in Fate should be about.

>>34416041
>That's not what combat in Fate should be about

because you said so?

>>34416091
Not him but yes.

>>34415485
I liked the prologue

>>34416091
Yes, because I fucking said so. FSN, being a novel, couldn't just rely on cheap explosions to carry the fights, and that's what made them interesting.

>>34416041
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnX5wci404

>>34416091
no because I read the novel and it wasn't like that.

Is Aoko's official voice the Misato voice that she had in Carnival Phantasm?
That voice makes me less attracted to her because it reminds me of Misato.

>>34416184
meanwhile 'combat' scenes in the novel, so intense

>>34416817
If only you could read, huh.

>>34416971
read what? 'the attack i blocked breaks through', or 'i twist my body to dodge it', or maybe 'nani-----'?

>>34417154
If only.

>>34417167
so what else there is?

>>34416575
She really doesn't have one, she had a different VA in the anime that didn't happen to Melty/CP which is of course Kotono.
As we've seen with the remake, this can change.
The lack of voices in Mahoyo reinforces this.

>>34417408
If she gets recast as someone whose voice could fit both Tsukihime Aoko and Mahoyo Aoko, it could mean a voiced Mahoyo/Mahoyo sequels are on the horizon.

>>34417973
Nasu has a hard job finding the ideal VA here.

>>34418544
Nasu has a hard job snorting the crack bought with FGO money

>>34418644
he cares about this, trust me bro

>>34416041
Considering Saber Alter has limitless mana backing her up and Servants are pretty damn strong this isn’t that surprising. Servants are meant to be superhuman after all. So this level of destruction isn’t that crazy. Also the forest is bound by a large boundary field so no one would find out about since Illya should hide everything that is happening there from the outside world.

Fate loyalists go and stay go.

>>34420991
GOfags go and stay go.

>>34416091
Nothing in the HF movies comes close to this
https://youtu.be/MSNhE2nTV7E
The fights in KnK are better exactly because they are not generic hollywood shit.

>>34421010
they're shit don't kid yourself

>>34415854
Sure, it's not my favorite route but it'd be nice to see something end with Illya being alive (at least for a little while). Alternatively an anime original Illya route would calm my frustrations.
>>34415896
I only want the last one remade, but that's a good idea.

>>34421010
KnK has a tendency to be flashy and bad camerawork so I wouldn’t call them the best at it. Fate/Zero had some good fight choreography with Lancer vs Saber at the docks being a fight that didn’t go crazy DBZ and was more of a lance vs sword fight.

>>34421454
Fate zero far and away has the best fights ufo has done

>>34421010
i don't remember anyone in HF have eyes of death perception

>>34420991
the VN's are fine. The rest is trash.