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Is that so? Please tell me more. What do you think of his outfit?

>>3420732
I'd wear it on the off-chance of someone walking in on me.

>>3420732
But that's not necessarily a bad thing.

>>3420722

Why would we give him crap? I thought we all loved him and his wacky catchphrases.

Proto-arakune is moe.

Wallachia thread? Cool beans.

>>3420722
When did we give him crap?
The only bad thing i remember is how his KATTO got nerfed in AA.

>>3420747
It's more that we, the fan base, have taken a character who should be pure nightmarishness and made a giant joke of him.

His initial description was pretty badass. The vampire who may never quench his thirst, for all he may drain ebbs away from his empty eye sockets? Fuck yeah.

>>3420763

Fanbases ruin everything, what's new?

>>3420720
> Save the English language: http://www.anon[removethis]talk.com/ICARE
I laughed out loudly... NOT!

>>3420790
Oh I'm not really saying it's bad (The Nanaya Rumors Lasted Only One Night is one of my favorite doujins), just making a note.

I also thought it was a good excuse for a Wallachia thread.

I like Wallachia. He's the epitome of the scholarly Dead Apostles. Here we see him pondering the mysteries of life.

>>3420814
I like how he concluded apocalypse couldn't be avoided and attempted to permanently fuck up the universe in hopes of his act managing to knock it into a direction where apocalypse could be avoided.

>>3420814

I like Wallachia. He's the epitome of the scholarly Dead Apostles. Here we see him pondering the mysteries of life.

in b4 fat wallachia

Man, Wallachia's backstory is just incredibly baw-worthy. Humanity is doomed to destroy itself and everything you can do is futile in the grand scheme of things? That's harsh.

>>3420874
At least he didn't stand there whining like anyone else would've done. He held on to the only hope, even if it meant sacrificing his sanity and humanity. Wallachia is a true man.

....Intentional?

>>3421348
I'm not quite sure what you're getting at.

I always thought of him as a goofy joke character like Midboss.

>>3420830
Least he fuckin did something.

The rest of the Alchemists probably sat on their asses and figured if they didn't have a guaranteed chance of success they might as well not bother.

Was the MB manga ever fully scanlated?

>>3421404
First act is. Second is underway.

>>3421348
I'm going to say "LOL FANSCANS" on this one.

>>3421348
Let's see, Castlevania reference in a manga scene where a thing that literally doesn't belong in this world and often imitates Dracula is about to be shot by a woman that usually uses whiplike strings...

FANSCANS

>>3420761
The nerfing of his katto makes me want to commit murder.

Wallachia is the best, because he mindfucks Sion.

>>3421460

>>3420722
Which manga is this?

>>3421457
>be shot by a woman that usually uses whiplike strings...

But Sion accidentally the Black Barrel Replica.

>>3421464
I would pay to see this if only because of the lack of Sion porn.

It's really hard to tell where the Nasuverse is on the Cynicism vs Idealism Scale sometimes.

On one hand we have things like Wallachia's calculations of the future and Kotomine's backstory.

On the other we've got Shirou who plows through things for many reasons, but what boils down to "I'm winning because I'VE GOT SHIT TO PROTECT!"

>>3421469
Seriously /jp/ tell me the name of this manga, it looks interesting.

>>3421496
It's funny, because Shirou is as fucked up as Kotomine.

>>3421479
>Lack of Sion porn
What about the CCC doujin where she and Akiha get drunk and rape a drugged Shiki?

Also Kohaku molests Hisui for... some reason.

>>3421509
That's good, but I've personally seen maybe all of 2 good Sion doujins.

>>3421496
That's why UBW Shirou is the best. Winning, and having to win, because that's what makes him who he is, and if he loses, well, that's okay.

He'll just try again even harder the next time.

If you want a more laid-back, positive outlook on life, Shiki's motivations are just lovely. Read Eclipse, and learn what being at peace with your world is like.

>>3421496
I think what makes it hardest to tell is that the Nasuverse holds "many paths" as one of it's most foremost concepts. With all the road cones, contradictory facts, and weird visions of the future, it's hard to tell what it wants to say.

>>3421509
Are you suggesting that people need a reason to molest Hisui?

>>3421522
Nasu doesn't have just one life outlook or message to tell. It's more like a conflict of different ways of living. Good storytelling.

>>3421520
I really don't know what to think about Eclipse. I hate it for saying "basically everything you've gone through is pointless, you are dead soon anyway and probably every single woman you've seen will probably off themselves" but on the other hand it's just so damn awesome the way Shiki just shrugs it off.

>>3421532
>nasu
>Good storytelling

>>3421532
Exactly. FSN is pretty much the epitome of this, what with the core theme of the game being Shirou's identity.

By contrast, Tsukihime isn't really about Shiki (although his story winds through the routes too) so much as it is the girls around him.

>>3421520
I am reminded of my rage towards my idiocy in uninstalling Tsukihime before I actually checked that out.

I really should do something about that at some point or another.

>>3421547
>Sup guys /a/sshole here, haven't played Tsukihime or FSN, but the anime were shit. That means Nasu is a bad writer!

>>3421564
>I have never read a book

>>3421562
There's always Seorin's LP.

>>3421541
Eclipse is Shiki saying that no matter what happens, no matter how it turns out, and no matter how long he has to enjoy it, it was without a doubt worth doing.

He's a fucking great guy. Lives near imminent death and can still enjoy living.

>>3421547
Storytelling? Nasu is good at it, overall. Specific scenes? Absolutely hit or miss. Gross overuse of exotic terminology? Hell yes. Moments where the protagonist completely misses the point of everything and enters stupidity? Happens.

Still. Good characters, decent plot, and brilliant ideas. Good storytelling, overall.

>>3421567
>HEH HEH, I'm such a subtle and clever troll

>Implying implications

>I just wanted a future... that could not be foretold...

>>3421556
Kagetsu Tohya is more about Shiki than Tsukihime is. I almost like it better, too, for some reason.

And not just because of Ren.

>>3421594
I like it for the Nanaya related stuff and DDM. There's other good things about it of course, but it's mostly that. Better than Tsukihime? I wouldn't say so, because Kagetsu doesn't really stand as its own work. It's a "fan disk" after all.

>>3421586
>implicating implyings.

>>3421594
I'da liked KT if it was just that one scene where Nanaya throws his knife at Shiki and then follows it up by jumping an insane distance through the air, landing in a perfect position to snap Shikis neck.

>>3421606
Except for SO RANDOM Kohaku scenes being out of character and having so few emotional Kohaku scenes, the character interactions are pretty damn good.

Also, Red Demon God and other stories are simply too good.

>>3421623
Nightmare Nanaya is basically "YOU ARE SMALLTIME" incarnate. Ironic, considering what happens to him.

>>3421627
Oh I agree, it's amazing. But we like it because we are Tsukihime fans. It's worth nothing without knowing the original work.

Speaking of fan disks, does anyone know where I can get a plus disk ISO? I've looked and looked but I've yet to find a working one.

>>3421632
That's because he ceases being the perfect nightmare and becomes emotional while trying to avoid the end of the world.

The more the world dies, the more screwed up his thinking becomes. It's quite sad. I missed the Nanaya that didn't care who lived or who died. Kishima Kouma seemed out of place. Almost like the development and resolution got changed by Nasu at some point.

>>3421632
>SMALLTIME

>>3421661
Well Kouma does actually make sense in retrospect (Len's dying, Shiki looks at him as death etc) but yeah Nanaya is much cooler.

SPIN SPIN SPIN

>>3421661
I kinda agree.

I liked the progression from the nightmare being himself as a theoretical murderer to something he could tangibly fear.

But I still wish Nanaya could have stuck around in some aspect.

>>3421729
Nanaya/Tohno vs. Kouma.

Nanaya decides to follow dear old dad and gets his face caved in after failing an awesome attack, giving Tohno the opportunity to point him.

Or something.

Concerning NanayavsKouma, AA pandered well.

>>3421738
It's a shame that standing up to Kouma or siding with Tohno contradicts Nanaya's very existence, because that'd be the BEST THING EVER.

>>3421738
Something like that.


Tohno is running off to the fight when he meets Nanaya along the way, Nanaya assures him as soon as he pays Kouma back Tohno is next.

Over a few hours of fighting they become parallel self bros.

Then Nanaya dies and nobody remembers.

>>3421761
Doesn't contradict Nanaya's existence. Nanaya still wants to kill Tohno. It's just that killing Kouma is so much more delicious, and Nanaya believes Kouma (the embodiment of death of that world) is killing both of them.

Nanaya doesn't care who dies in the beginning, as long as someone named Shiki survives the destruction of the world.

>>3421496
I guess you overlooked those parts where it says Shirou's future is grimdark and futile unless he's with Rin, and Shiki for all of his laid-back happiness lifestyle zen is gonna die early and likely violently.

Nasuverse is nothing short of bitter-sweet cynicism.

>>3421824
You miss Nasu's whole point regarding what matters to people. Even if Shirou's future would be hopeless, he'd still fight on, and after seeing Archer, he vows to make it worth it no matter the outcome. He'd never end up regretting it. Shiki knows he's going to die young, as he's already died once, so he vows to make the most of every day and enjoy his precious moments with the ones he loves.

It doesn't matter what the outcome is as to whether you're happy in life. It's how you get there, stupid, and what those moments meant to you. There is no magic day in the future where it all turns out right. It's every day, for better or worse, where you make it worth living and reaffirm your reason for living.

I came.

And does Ryougi start to like stuff after she gives birth?

>>3421868
She learns to love the cock, obviously.

I really should read Kara no Kyoukai sometime. Is the translation done?

>>3421824
のヮの

>>3421882
Not all of it. And the American release is way behind schedule.

>>3421897

And Rider gets fucked by horses.

>>3421898
Then I suppose I'll just leave it in the pile for now.

>>3421906
You could probably learn sufficient Japanese to read it and use a dictionary + context for harder stuff, so long as you completely ignore the Nasuisms, before they actually finish translating it.

>>3421912
...but that involves doing stuff. What kind of person do you think I am?

>>3421917
Myaha impersonations.

>>3421912
That slow huh? Well I'm studying Japanese as it is anyway.

>>3421871

Bullshit, she becomes Azaka's lesbian partner after consoling her over the loss of her brother and Azaka commits herself to loving the person her brother loved.

>>3421852
You're missing my point. Individually, Nasu has a gift for personalizing characters and making them very big and warm in peoples' eyes. But on the big picture, he doesn't do happy ends or happy endings. Even KnK was about broken people and pipe dreams for the most part.

Finished reading the manga? Memories of once is now playing through your head. Manually.

>>3421943
>Nasu doesn't do happy endings
>Nasu puts himself down for not giving Saber a good end and make Last Episode
>Kohaku end is the climactic ending of Tsukihime

>>3421524
Nobody needs a reason, but it'd be nice.

>>3421975
I think Saber was fan-pressured.
And right after kohaku, he gives you eclipse.

>>3421943
>Nasu doesn't do good endings
>DREAMS OF SUNSHINE
>Return to the Spring
>Brilliant Years
>Daylight Blue
>Kagetsu Tohya ending

>>3421988
>right after kohaku
You don't actually have to do Kohaku's route last, you know.

>>3421988
Eclipse isn't cynical at all. Bittersweet yeah, but it's about as far as cynicism as can be.

>>3421995
YES.

YES YOU DO. ALWAYS LAST. BEST FOR LAST.

>>3422001
DOWN, CAT, DOWN

I just meant that the game doesn't force you to play it last (unlike HF, for example) so it's not really the "final route before Eclipse".

>>3422012
But it's the climactic ending of Tsukihime. I seem to remember a Shit-sensei lesson in which it explains that it only has one ending because it's meant to tie everything together.

>>3422012
No it doesn't, but the staff explicitly states that's how you are supposed to play it. Personally I wandered onto Ciel before Arc, but I got things in the proper order otherwise.

>>3422025
>the staff explicitly states that's how you are supposed to play it
Out of curiosity, where was that? In the game, or in some side material or something?

>>3422001

Pff, I didn't. I'm doing routes from best to worst. Curry-butt is last.

>>3422022
>Shit-sensei
Fuck you Ren.

>>3422033
>Saying Ciel is the worst while admitting to not having finished the game yet
Fucking memespammer.

>>3422033
I hope you think Arc's route is the best, then, because you have to clear Arc's or Ciel's before you can move on to Far Side (IIRC).

Well, unless you're using a full save file.

>>3422034
I like Ciel, but Ciel-sensei is terrible.

>>3422046
To be fair, everyone looks like shit compared to Neko Arc.

>>3422054
That's right, that's right!

Threads like this remind me why I still love /jp/.

Neko Arc needs its own route.

>>3422065
Which part? The Wallachi/Melty Blood love or the calm analysis of Nasu's writing style, philosophy, and works?

>>3422065
Really?

why?

>>3422046
I love ciel too!

she's my fav charcter

>>3421992
>True End
Arc seals herself, possibly Shiki spends the last of his days looking for her and inadvertently almost sets off the OTHER vampire apocalypse.

Ciel is a Burial Agent first, woman second. The Church would catch and dissect him if she doesn't persuade them, and even then she can't keep a relationship while being an Agent, and like hell is the Seventh going to get to walk away from the Church.

Hisui - EVERYONE IS DEAD.

Akiha & Kohaku - Only even good endings except that Roa's still alive in both, on to another host--bad end for Arc. Sidestories discounted, bad end for Akiha "she waited for you, Shiki" Tohno, as well. And even then, Eclipse. Those are good only because Shiki is zen about his own fate.

>Kagetsu Tohya
Improbable save for Arc Good End which isn't really a good end at all considering she makes Misaki town a big, bright target (See: Melty Blood) for any Dead Apostle that wants to travel from their territory.

>Realta Nua's Saber End
This is after the four (five? What's Unlimited Codes like?) stories worth of shit-kicking he threw at Saber. And Shirou.

>>3422085
>>3422046
>dropping the meme and admitting Ciel is good
>also, everything else about this thread

>>3422091
fuck off secondary typemoonfag!

>>3422096
What? I read Tsukihime, Kagetsu Tohya, and Fate Stay Night in that order. I've yet to find a working Plus Disk file and haven't had the time to try Melty Blood (in game form anyway, I read the manga). How is that secondary?

>>3422096
>secondary typemoonfag
Didn't read the thread but what? Someone that doesn't play Tsukihime VN?

>>3422096
you stop perpetuating that stupid meme right now, tripfag.

Why are any of you responding to anon2007's posts seriously? He has a learning disability or something.

I like Ciel.

Suck my balls.

What's with all the sudden Ciel love? I thought I was a lone crusader in a sea of memespamming?

I love ciel anyways....

>>3422130

Ciel is mainstream now, better find another shitty character to love.

Always loved Ciel.

Tell me /jp/, should I bother to read the Melty Blood manga? I have not played the games. I was going to read the manga, but I found out Sacchin gets killed by Shiki unlike in the games. I'm mostly just interested in Sacchin.

>>3422130
I've never said Ciel was bad, just that I think others are better.

I like all of them, just some more.

>>3422183
agreed

>>3422182
It's good, give it a go. Only goes through the normal Melty Blood story though, no Re:Act for us.

>>3422192
Alright. Just don't like that there's no Sacchin...

>>3422206
There's Sacchin. Sort of.

>>3422187
Stop being obtuse.

>>3422211
In flashbacks? That doesn't count

>>3422214
My bad and sorry bro......

>>3422221
TATARI Sacchin. Incarnates and beats up Shiki.

>>3422248
Oh I see.