/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>Akiha's True ending has Shiki spending literal months in the mansion with Kohaku and Hisui while Akiha plays hard to get in the academy's dorms like a little girl
Imagine how much bonding happened then. Videogame tournaments, comfy evenings together, teaching Hisui to cook, tending to flowers with Kohaku...
Maybe one day, Shiki will get a nasty cold, and they will be tending to him near his bed all night...
Maybe the only way to save him will be to exchange fluids with both sisters...

Hot as fuck

>>34192834
Honestly, nu-Arc grew on me. I still love this silly vampire.

>>34192847

>>34192876
How do you get to fuck arcueid?
Why did she love shiki

>>34193039
But anon...
Shiki is your avatar.

>>34193055
ew no I don't wear glasses

>>34193039
take her to the movies

>>34193203
>reads old VNs
>doesn't wear glasses
You're in the minority, I can tell you that much.

>he is not a meganeCHAD

>>34193039
You do not fuck Arcueid. You make love to her, tenderly.

>>34193290
wtf shiki is black???

>>34192834
2016 has more soul



even though I like OG and Melty Arc

>>34193373
i can sorta understand liking 2016, but how the fuck can you say that its more soul when she's literally a saber face

>>34193373
based zoomer

>>34186040
I said it in reference to some posters having opinions that belonged there.

>>34193416
You can shop pretty much any anime girl drawn by the same artist to look like any other one they've ever drawn. Even between artists if it's a generic enough design.

Complaining about Takeuchi sameface has always been pointless since you're you're looking at an idealized face, just like with any other anime design. It's like a platonic object.

>>34192854

>>34193039
You have to kill her first for her to take any interest in you.

>>34193563
I think you just have to approach her and be friendly. She never talked to anyone before, but I'm pretty sure that's because no one tried talking to her, she was always just passing by to kill Roa and go back to sleep.

>>34193598
Solomon

>>34193692
Solomon what?

>>34193499
its pretty clear that takeuchi having sameface is a modern problem since its not seen in his old art.

>>34193598
I’m surprised no one else has tried to ask her out. Maybe they’re terrified by her supernatural aura. It takes an autist like Nanaya to have the courage to ask(kill) her out.

>>34193720
Saber was a Hisuiface.

>>34193720
Why does no one try to agressively force the characters in tsukihime to look like each other by swapping their hairstyles and redrawing them? Oh right because it's dumb.

>>34193838
And here's another rather obvious example.

>>34193838
>>34193882
except that's not exactly the same. people are calling nu-arc a saberface because takeuchi is literally using exactly the same sketches for both of them.

>>34193870
because the characters in tsukihime arent the same character with different hair styles

>>34193888
No, it's pretty much the same. Eye shape was the same, and so was facial structure. Takeuchi simply changed what eyes he uses for characters, and his haircuts became a bit less cartoony.
I'm not saying that he's the great master of art or something, but he's not doing something unheard of. Professional artists don't have time to bullshit around with fancy art techniques, they have work to do. Takeuchi had to draw an entire VN worth of unique images (seeing how TsukiR seems to be done in a fashion similar to Mahoyo), so quality and consistency become more important. Arc is still Arc, you will not mistake her for anyone else when reading TsukiR, and she also looks very pretty, so what else do we really need?

Takeuchi's TsukiR art looks fine, they don't look all samey in the new pics.
But most of the shit he's done for F/GO is unforgivable. You can tell he doesn't give a shit about it, both as an artist and as the art team leader.

>>34192876
She's better when she's not being drawn by Takeuchi, but it's still a downgrade. Most artists who draw remake Arc still adopt a lot of aspects of the old design, which is smart.

>>34192876
>Mini-skirt and pantyhose
>no h-scenes
I'll never stop being mad

>>34193975
The problem is that good artists mask the sameface by changing the angle and poses so that the face isn't an literal exact 1:1, but Takeuchi doesn't do that, he uses exactly the same angle and pose for multiple characters.

Takeuchi is getting paid to make art for a VN. If thousands of other artists who are likely getting paid much less can make non-sameface sprites for VNs that are significantly longer than the remake then Takeuchi can too, but he won't because he's a lazy faggot.

Arc doesn't look like Arc anymore. She doesn't have her vents, her granny skirt, or her lashes. She looks like a red eyed Saber with a generic outfit.

>>34194101
if i had to draw as much as takeuchi does on a regular basis i would probably stop giving a shit too lol he probably has to keep stuff "consistent" (read: same face) so he can get stuff done in a reasonable amount of time and for recognizability

barelegs

>>34193975
>Arc is still Arc
Different voice, different design that gives off a different vibe, and they've already alluded to character changes. It's a remake, not a remaster. Arc could be a very different character for all we know.

And sure, she's still pretty, but almost every eastern 2D is at least superficially pretty. It's difficult to find ugliness. Old Arc was more than pretty, but unique as well. I cannot say anything looks unique about nuArc.
>>34194181
Takeuchi just does line art. There's really no excuse when he's already doing the bare minimum. Honestly he shouldn't be the Tsukihime Remake artist. Koyama should. Or literally any other TM artist, all of which are far more talented than he is.

>>34194188
Bear legs?

>>34194181
sure, but it's not like has drawn that many F/GO characters. You get like 2 or 3 Takeuchi servants every year.

>>34194181
He doesn't actually draw that much compared to any dedicated professional artist. He also doesn't have to do any of his coloring, which is like 90% of the work.

Even if there were only one or two distinctions between characters in the past, please don't pretend they weren't clear and significant or having zero isn't worse.

What's the lore explanation on why Arcueid doesn't have a bush?

It isn't even just faces anymore, but hair and bodies as well. Takeuchi's tendency to break everyone's fingers because he has a weird fetish for that, or him giving literally every girl an ahoge because that's the only way he can think of to convey hair in motion. Dude's one of the most homogenous artists out there.

>>34194158
>If thousands of other artists who are likely getting paid much less can make non-sameface sprites for VNs that are significantly longer than the remake then Takeuchi can too
But can they though? First of all, 90% of VN art is really fucking subpar, and if you think otherwise, you should take a look beyond what Nitro+ translates into English. Even nowadays, most VNs have a pretty low number of sprites for characters, they all look pretty samey, and CGs are as rare as they were in the days of the original Tsukihime. Compared to that TsukiR already looks like a high-budget masterpiece.
>>34194215
>Honestly he shouldn't be the Tsukihime Remake artist. Koyama should
Actually, Koyama is the art director for TsukiR. And they also have Takao, Kaetsu, Shima-Udon, and Sunatori-Otoko helping with art.
>Arc could be a very different character for all we know.
Oh, bitch please, this is just fucking silly. Arc will always be Arc, she acts like Arc in the trailer, and Nasu fucking loves Arc as a character, he still calls her the pure princess of Type-Moon. No one's gonna turn her into Artoria if that's what you're afraid of.

>>34194260
Her sister stole her bush along with her long hair

>>34194215
ehh doing line art still takes a bit but yeah you do have a point there
i do like takeuchis style a bit and i dont really care about the same face shit but i agree there are better artists at type-moon

>>34194227
Bare legs, you dolt!

How long do you guys think it will take for Nasu to release the Far Side routes?
A couple of years or a couple of decades?

>>34194273
Nasu says a lot of things, and a few scenes in the trailer is enough to fully discern a character.

How did cath palug go from wherever altrouge lives to avalon

>>34194304
Are you the same guy who doomposted about how they will totally turn Arcueid into an actual whore/prostitute because she wears a short skirt now?
Because if that's you, then you might have issues.

>>34194290
we all like Takeuchi's style here, but there's no point in pretending he's talent incarnated and unable to do anything wrong, like people on twitter do.

>>34194301
The plan seems to be for multiple tsukihime-related titles to come out within the next decade. It would make no sense if it took more than a few years, unless they have some really insane plans.

>>34194301
I genuinely think it depends on the traction TsukiR and Melty gain when they release.

>>34194273
We're talking about something that hasn't happened yet and you're responding to someone saying something is possible by saying things will be a certain way.

>>34194301
I imagine it depends on how much it sells and how well it's received.
I can see it being pushed off forever just like Mahoyo 2.
>>34194323
No. I don't care about the outfit change, actually. Granny skirt is better but it's not a huge deal.

>>34194301
Who knows. I don't think it's gonna be long though, once they get the ball rolling.

>>34194342
I like the "dead-eyes" look Takeuchi gives to characters like Sakura and some of the Akiha portraits here, I think he art would stand out more if he implemented it more often.

>>34193888
All that's different facial structure wise is that their heads are tilted in vastly different angles. I would say as of now he reuses poses a little too much as others have pointed out. If only he just used more unique poses then no one would have noticed, probably. Although I think these comparisons below are a bit unfair, made just for the memes to dunk on Takeuchi and to show off average pattern recognition skills.
>>34194101
Okita is way cuter than this and it's easy to tell it's Wavers head.
>>34194158
Lakshimibai's pose is fairly more dynamic in comparison to the others being called out. i.e. early FGO release designs of Emiya and Gil. I would ay sameface is being stretched too far in many of these cases.

soul
https://youtu.be/c1sZ2q1ZFUY
soulless
https://youtu.be/J1uJZIOuEWk

>>34194342
I believe in what TM is doing. They have never released a bad product, and their last VN was amazing. I don't see a reason to not trust them.

>>34194273
>you should take a look beyond what Nitro+ translates into English
I've played dozens of VNs and while some artists have same face, none are as lazy as modern Takeuchi ESPECIALLY considering he only does the fucking line art and none of the coloring while likely being extremely well paid.
>Compared to that TsukiR already looks like a high-budget masterpiece.
Have you played the remake? Taking TM at their word and their trailer is a big mistake.

>>34194301
them not giving a rough release like "1 year later" should already tell you he doesn't even have them written.

>>34194400
I hate when they use music from the VNs in F/GO when nothing related to the VNs is happening.
The only time they did it right was with EMIYA

Isn't Takeuchi the CEO of Notes? So on top of doing artwork, he'd have to handle all the business decisions and paperwork assumbly.

What would happen if Grey meets Saber? Like in a route where Saber follows Shirou and Rin to the clock tower?

>>34194418
Daito is kusoge so it doesn't count

>>34194441
saber kills her on the spot

>>34194406
Ahahahaha

Hating Takeuchi for sameface is pretty silly. Most artists uses a pretty narrow range of faces for all their characters anyway. Only stuff like old men/women get very different faces. The real reason to hate on him is for all of those absolutely garbage FGO designs though. Tsuki R mostly looks fine so far except for Arc's new design which is definitely a downgrade but I'm already over it.

>>34194245
>He also doesn't have to do any of his coloring
That's normal.

>>34194448
nigger every single AUGUST game is like that gif

>>34194406
Are you so pea-brained the moment someone says something that doesn't jerk something off, you assume they hate it?
>They have never released a bad product
Fucking lol

>>34194371
It had a lot of emotion

>>34194418
>I've played dozens of VNs
That's like saying "I've watched dozens of movies".
>while some artists have same face, none are as lazy as modern Takeuchi
Oh, come the fuck on. Take any of Soejima's female characters, take off their hair, and you won't fucking recognize any of them. And that's one of the most famous artists in the industry. And to demonstrate how average joes make art for low-tier VNs - there are fucking tracing guides on Pixiv, and their use is very much encouraged.
>he only does the fucking line art and none of the coloring
Koyama is the one doing artwork for TsukiR, not Takeuchi.
>>34194418
>Taking TM at their word and their trailer is a big mistake.
Why? Give me an example of Type-Moon releasing a subpar VN or a book, and tricking their customers. And no, nothing made by other companies counts, I'm talking about their in-house releases.

>>34194406
>I believe in what TM is doing.
Why? Because they released an unvoiced VN nearly a decade ago? Just read the recent interview and you'll see that the TM that made Mahoyo is dead. Nasu literally, without irony, pushed for the game to be console exclusive because a fucking VN is more "cinematic" on a big screen TV.

>>34194463
can I hate him for his new artstyle being shit in general then? jesus christ just look at OP, new arc looks like she's an alien.

>>34194490
I mean if you just flat out don't like the newer art at all. That's legitimate. Arc technically is an alien though.

Mahoyo
>I don't want it to be voiced because then the readers are influenced by the performance of the VAs
Tsukihime remake
>I replaced the entire VA cast

I really want to believe in Nasu but I still can't get over that he didn't release Tsukihime on PC just because he didn't want to. It's just so fucking retarded I can't wrap my head around it.

>>34194511
Mahoyo was 9 years ago though

>>34194484
>TM that made Mahoyo is dead
The game is being done literally by the same exact people who have worked in Type-Moon since it became a company. Takeuchi, Nasu, BLACK, Takao, Koyama, Haga, Fukasawa - none of these names should be new to you. It's all the same fucking people. How is "TM that made Mahoyo" dead?

big TV good
big speaker good
me am nasu

>>34194536
I want to believe that was just a hackjob PR response that went horribly wrong.

>>34194536
The cynic inside me believes that he did it to spite his original fans which he complained about a few years ago

>>34194482
>Take any of Soejima's female characters, take off their hair, and you won't fucking recognize any of them.
That's any anime, and as I said, sameface is masked by changing the pose and angle of the art. A technique which Takeuchi literally used in Tsuki and FSN sprites but has completely abandoned in favor of literally using exactly the same lineart for multiple characters.
>Koyama is the one doing artwork for TsukiR, not Takeuchi.
He is still the Art Director.

>>34194546
Is reading a big wordy VN like what Nasu writes on a TV even comfortable? I mean I'm definitely going to crank up my speakers, but a PC monitor still seems to be the ideal to me.

>>34194463
>That's normal
No it isn't. Some VN studios have extra artists to color in things to streamline the process because they shit out 5 moege a year. Others contract multiple different artists to do all the work. Sometimes they do both or neither. In any case, VN artists are themselves abnormal. In literally any other context, having someone else do all your coloring is extremely bizarre.

>>34194482
Takeuchi is also extremely famous, so? You could take the hair off of Takeuchi's older characters and they would still be extremely distinct. The standard of most VNs having lazy artwork is completely irrelevant to an individual failing to live up to their past work.
>Koyama is the one doing artwork for TsukiR, not Takeuchi.
You retard.

>>34194565
He literally opened the interview by saying how this is him repaying all his old fans that have waited for so long
By selling you 2 routes and limiting what hardware you are allowed to play the game on.

>>34194482
In Takeuchi's case I feel like he could mask it by using different kinds of eyes. See pic.

>>34194545
People change, anon. Nasu has said himself that he isn't the same person who wrote Tsukihime and HF. That he doesn't have the capacity for those kinds of works anymore. If the last decade hasn't shown you that he's a very different writer then I don't know what to say.

>>34194567
>He is still the Art Director.
No, Koyama is the art director. Takeuchi is listed as the character designer.

>>34193373
bullshit it does. 2016 was a shitty design for an anime that never came out.

>>34194579
*Laughs*

>>34194576
Kazuma Kaneko's artwork is all coloured by Megumi Shiraishi, it's more common than you might think.

>>34194576
It's pretty normal for bigger name artists in the general industry (manga, VNs, or what not) to have a separate person do coloring. Doing every single step of the art yourself is something that is usually only done if you are a smaller name guy and/or just starting out.

>>34194482
>Take any of Soejima's female characters, take off their hair, and you won't fucking recognize any of them.
i always thought soejima did a pretty good job of keeping characters faces pretty distinct, including female ones. interesting to see that someone thinks otherwise

>>34194584
If you want to doompost about how none of them are the same people and everything completely changed and the VN will totally be a trashfire - more power to you. But don't present this as an objective fact if you have nothing to back it up with other than "I don't like FGO".

>>34194584
The old Tsukihime anime is the best anime it will ever get, warts and all. I don't know how to feel about that. At least it can't get any worse?

>>34194585
Ciel was my favorite girl in tsukihime and I don't know who THIS bitch is.

>>34194620
I did studies of Soejima's artwork before. He knows how to keep his characters distinct for sure, but when you really look at it, he likes reusing eyes and other patterns.

>>34194622
I don't like last encore
I don't like the additions to UBW
I don't like that he wanted to redo HF

>>34194622
And you want to be hilariously optimistic about how the remake is totally going to be epic and awesome because Nasu and Takeuchi's love for the original made them go back and rewrite it for the absolute better because they are totally better workers now, more power too you. But don't say that the remake will be everything you say it is with nothing to back it up other than "I liked Mahoyo."

>>34194622
Change isn't doom, anon. I'm saying he's different. Everyone is different after 10 years. And he's written more than just FGO. Extra was horrible in my opinion, so was CCC, Last Encore, Extella, etc. Honestly for me the last good thing he wrote was Mahoyo and that was a revised work from his early years. If you interpret the obvious changes that Nasu has made as a writer as "doom" then perhaps you're more aligned to that doom than you suggest.

>>34194654
The Last Encore book was actually decent, it explained a ton of things omitted from the anime.

>>34194679
It really wasn't decent but whatever helps you cope I guess

>>34194664
I see where you're coming from, but what we're getting here is not a new DW game, nor is it an anime or a Marvelous game. This VN is coming from the same place as Mahoyo, not FGO. I get that it's fun to act jaded after all the Fate spinoffs you got, but this is not one of them.
>>34194665
>Honestly for me the last good thing he wrote was Mahoyo and that was a revised work from his early years
So is TsukiR.

/tsfoagsg/ type saberface or acrueid granny skirt general

>>34194687
It actually had Tamamo.

>>34194719
literally every single fucking thing he said in that interview is fucking retarded, I don't know how you expect people not to be worried. Have you read it?

>>34194765
I don't know about people, whoever that is, but the Japanese sure feel fine about the remake, as far as I've seen.
I know that Nasu mentioned how he wants to connect Tsukihime with FGO, but I don't see how this is anything shocking, seeing how FGO played have been begging for it 5 years straight.

>>34194826
*FGO players

How would pic related fair against the DAA?

>>34194719
It isn't fun to act jaded, nor am I doing so. I am merely suggesting that I have no reason to be hyped. Every change they have made makes me suspicious of its quality. The new interview made me more nervous, not reassured. Without a doubt, Tsukihime's remake will be a success because everything TM has done turns into success. They are a mainstream corporation that churns out media on the regular and are on the same level as Gundam, Dragon Ball, Naruto, etc. The Tsukihime I loved was a flawed product that came from a small place in a conflicted individual's heart. It had a humble, tiny story that nonetheless resonated with me in spite of the terrible translation, visuals, and music.

Imagine this. Your favorite Death Metal artist was an indie band at one point who made a low production but inspired album that brought your attention to his skills. He went on to transition to the Pop Music, though, and signed into a major label, at one point, he promised to remaster his original album with better technology now that he had the financial means to do so. That remaster turned into a recomposition over time, and now. 13 years later, he says the album is about half way done -- but it's ok, because the songs that he recomposed are actually 5 times as long now. Also instead of releasing it on CD where everyone can easily access it, he is releasing it on SACD in exclusively 5.1 multichannel. No stereo mix. He says it is the only way to experience it.

Meanwhile you are scratching your head because you were able to get an amazing experience, 20 years ago, from a low budget product without the extra bells and whistles. Somewhere inside yourself you wonder if someone is compensating for something.

>>34194826
Oh so you're just one of those retards who doesn't actually browse the nip internet and pretends they all share the same opinion

>>34194859
Isn't he pretty much Nrvnqsr with guns and a few other tricks?

>>34194654
I'm surprised he didn't announce a fsn remake from how hard he wanted to rewrite every route well tsukiR is the reason but still

>>34194311
“Human history”

why does playing MB at 16-bit color cause its menus to lag so much?

>>34194866
>Every change they have made

examples?

Will the Nasu is terrible and lazy Takeuchi complaints finally die here once Tsukihime comes out and is amazing or are all of you going to keep spouting the same tired complaints after so many years? If you hate them so much, I don’t get why you’re still here. Maybe jacking off to the Aoko art posted here is enough for some of you or you’re all pathetic whiners that haven’t moved on from a company that you hate.

>>34194866
>Your favorite Death Metal artist was an indie band at one point who made a low production but inspired album that brought your attention to his skills. He went on to transition to the Pop Music
What a weird analogy to use anon. Which death metal band did this to you? Modern Carcass is pretty trash.

>>34194908
it's a love-hate relationship. you wouldn't understand

>>34194866
I can't relate with indie music at all, nor do I understand how exactly was Tsukihime a tiny story if it was about as long as Steins;Gate, but nonetheless, we're walking in circles here. Glass half full, glass half empty, yada-yada.
The thing is almost out at this point, might as well just wait a few months and settle the discussion then.

>>34194933
I can't though, because I'm poor and don't have the money to buy a console. I won't be able to experience the remake any time soon, because my shithole country is terrible and even if we could get consoles in stock, I couldn't afford it with the bills I have.

Thanks Nasu for your arrogance.

>>34194908
You're the one who is trying to fit in to a place they don't belong.
There are a couple boards which agree with you.

>>34194719
Everyone here hopes that the remake will be great, but there's basically been no reassurance from Nasu or TM that it'll live up to the original. From the radical art and story changes, to the console exclusivity, to the simple fact that Nasu hasn't really written anything of quality lately, a lot of us are jaded and really only excited for the 90 new tracks of music.

>>34194859
He's just Dante but not as cool

>>34194953
Just watch it on YouTube then, it's a fucking VN.

>>34194933
>>34194953
Also length has nothing to do with it. Tsukihime has a lot of repetitive text and you could probably cut out 10-15 hours of content through editing. In the end the actual contents of the story are pretty small, no one would attribute grandiosity to Tsukihime. Meanwhile Mahoyo is far shorter than Tsuki but feels a lot more grand.

It is not a bad thing, but I don't know if I want Tsukihime in that light. And it feels like that's what they're gravitating towards.

>>34194983
You are correct, but I personally doubt it'll launch. They announced that almost 5 years ago. I'm not holding my breath.

>>34194953
Just use an emulator

>>34194908
Amazing by whose standards? If it isn't amazing by my own, then, no, I won't stop complaining.

>>34195067
I tried seeing if Yuzu could run on my computer and it kind of struggles a lot. Audio especially is a big problem. It varies from game to game but yeah

>>34195063
>I personally doubt it'll launch
But I have it preordered already

>>34194645
Takeuchi must have felt like the old design elements are out of style

I'll bust him up if I ever see him

>>34194859
How Anderson fair against them?

>>34195113
budget 1080p build should work fine, just get a gtx 1060/1070 + and ryzen 5 cpu it runs everything reasonably well, especially emulators.

>>34194665
Not him but what didn't you like about Extra? I'm still on CCC and enjoying it, and I thought Extra was pretty gripping, except for the ending

>>34194983
My theory is that it's just unofficial timed exclusivity because they know that if it releases on PC first it'll get pirated

>>34194953
I do actually feel bad for you. I genuinely hope there's a PC release after the launch but that feels as far off as Tsuki R itself before the announcement. TM has a bad record with this kind of thing except for the new Melty, and even that's not on PC.

is Mapo Tofu actually good?

>>34195463
Since Kirei delights in evil I figured it wasn't but it might just be that particular dish at that particular store.

>>34195236
A crossover between Tsukihime and Hellsing would be awesome. They somehow fit together, I think if you change some laws then they could take place in the same universe. A crossover with Fate could also work. Imagine Darnic summoning Alucard instead of normal Dracula. What class would Alucard from Hellsing be as a Fate servant?

Why the fuck is Himuro's eclipse so long holy shit, is this the longest one in HA?

>>34195587
arc vs van winkle

>>34195537
why is Ciel so fucking cute?

>>34195617
It’s like 2-3 hours long. If you don’t like it then I’d probably skim it. It isn’t that great and it just drags for a while.

>>34195587
>What class would Alucard from Hellsing be as a Fate servant?
Either Archer or Berserker I'd imagine. Also he can turn into a girl for some old-fashioned prana transfer so thats pretty neat

>>34195463
its delicious

>>34195767
Thanks. I'm 2 hours in and it's been dragging for a while, I can handle the SoL stuff in doses but this is draining. I just hope nothing else is this bad, but even if it is I'd hope that it focuses on better characters and on something more interesting than gossip.

>>34195884
i thought it was funny, but yes it does drag on for quite a bit. im pretty sure the other eclipse scenes except for one are just sex scenes

marry the nun
swing with the vampire
get beat up by the sister?

>>34195932
A couple of the sex scenes are pretty good though. The one with Sakura is pretty sweet, and the one with Rider is really good fap material.
Seiba and rin's are pretty meh though.

>>34194908

This is bait but seeing the love and hate relationship is worth it.

>>34194612
Much like Takeuchi, Kaneko isn't a dedicated artist. He didn't have his stuff done by others until he moved into art direction and game design.

>>34194615
For manga, as far as cover, promotional, and color pages, the only comparable i.e. colored thing, is concerned, that will also vary from artist to artist. Obviously it's more probable in the weekly magazines, but assistants usually won't be be relied upon for that sort of thing. As for the contents, the process is completely different, so comparing it is silly. The lead artist will still be fully responsible for drafting and marking where beta and tones go, and applying them is just busywork that takes a steady hand. Backgrounds are another story that are done in plenty of different ways.

Meanwhile, in the sphere of video games alone Yoshitaka Amano, Akihiko Yoshida, Tetsuya Nomura, Kimihiko Fujisaka, Yoji Shinkawa, Hideo Minaba, Atlus's own Shigenori Soejima, and everyone else working at Type-Moon are just a few big names who do everything themselves. This isn't getting into general artists like literally everyone contracted to work on FGO. The vast majority of artists are freelancers who do everything themselves to preserve their distinct style. So unless you're strictly talking about manga and VN where the priority is mass-production, doing every single step of the art yourself is definitely not something that is usually only done with a smaller name or just starting out.

>>34196136
I think Rin’s is decent since it continues from UBW with Shirou and Rin being awkward at sex after Rin complains about the jackhammer from their first sex scene. Saber had some good CG’s but I doubt anyone will fap to it.

>>34194859
>>34195236
They fair pretty well. If Alucard can kill the DDA once and drink their blood, taking their essence into himseft and make them a familiar then he could theatrically beat anyone below number five. He did that with schrodinger who is omnipresent. Anderson could probably purifies Nrvnqsr Chaos like he did Alucard familiar, don't know how he fair against the other. Arcueid is still more powerfull than these two

>>34196298
VNs are video games.

>>34196807
They aren't, and that's the stupidest definition anyone has ever agreed upon.

>>34196807

>>34196807
In a classical sense they are. Just like the infocom games were.

>>34195617
>>34195767
I really want to like Himuro so I gave it a shot and bounced off. Does it actually go anywhere?

>>34195617
>>34197051
You guys are fags. It's fun. The ending has a nice twist.

>>34197051
It’s a fine SoL scene and one of the more unique so I liked it. If you don’t like Himuro and find it boring then I doubt you’ll enjoy it.

What a blast from the past.

>>34197263
>>34197458
I actually want to finish it but my copy of the game broke for some reason. I'll remember to go watch it somewhere.

Big round lenses, here I come

How do I learn japanese?

>>34197946
haha, you don't

Why does ciel have these here?

>>34197051
I finished it earlier, it doesn't really go anywhere significant but you can probably get through it fine if you space it out between the acts, otherwise it's a chore.

>>34197263
Maybe for the first hour or so. I didn't completely hate it, I just hate how long it goes on for. Only a real fag could have fun listening to girls gossip about romance for 3 hours.

>>34192834
Unfair image, doesn't show the skirt. A 2016fag made this.

>>34198270
She used glow in the dark paint

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLlUxwGGI0Q

>>34196807

>>34196843
They are a subgenre of adventure games, evolved from point-and-click adventures.

>>34199658
point and click while very basic was still actual gameplay, there's no gameplay in VNs just reading.

>>34199721
You have choices that affect the story, and clicking, while, basic, is still gameplay. Pong used less buttons than an average VN, but it's a videogame, and if you want to argue about lose/win conditions in kinetic VNs - Animal Crossing games don't have those either.

>>34199658
>evolved from point-and-click adventures

evolved, but backwards

>>34199755
>and clicking, while, basic, is still gameplay
I said that
> that affect the story
story isn't gameplay

>>34199755
have sex

>>34199818
VNs have simpler puzzles, but better narratives.
>>34199840
Story isn't gameplay, but reading, progressing, and choosing is gameplay, in essence no different from the earliest text-based adventure games. I'm not sure why you would argue against that when even Japanese Wikipedia calls VNs adventure games, it's not exactly a controversial take. In fact, something like Kagetsu Tohya makes games like The Walking Dead look like the most boring and shallow linear experience you can find.

Sooo will extra remake have Arc or nuArc?

>>34200156
Wada Arc in a short skirt.

>>34200004
epic mental gymnastics

>>34200192
I wonder what she would look like. Wada developed her skill a ton since the original Extra, and her Arc was interesting.
Imagine if you could summon Arcueid as your servant in Extra, that would be so fucking good.

>>34194585
This looks so fucking bad, she looks like someone completely different

>>34203279
Wada always puts her own spin on everything. Takeuchi's Nero was literally Artoria, while Wada gave her a personality.
So I'm curious to see how Wada would go about making a new Arcueid.

>>34203279
consume the prescribed medications

>>34203443
Why are you posting something completely unrelated? stop living in head cannon land and look at the illustrations in the game, not some fan fiction

>>34203501
>autistic screeching

>>34194859
Alucard did kind of ruin non-Ultimate Hellsing for me. He was so grossly OP that everything that happened in the show was kind of pointless because he'd always just show up and Goku the fuck out of everybody.

It got boring after a while, IMO. Even in Ultimate, 90% of the entertainment value came from the nominal plot gradually getting kookier and kookier, since there was never anything at stake.

Kino

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/fate-stay-night-unlimited-blade-works/episode-20/.88524

>>34203605
Nu-Ciel is very cute and I can't wait to complete her route this August

>>34204249
>discuss this in the forum (2038 posts)
Man, this one was fun it seems.

>>34204249
this dude probably writes 6000 words essays on mal for titles he rates 3/10

>>34197766
Am I the only one that thins HImuro is super hot?

>>34194301
Never, just like the Mahoyo sequels.

>>34204249
didn't ask

>>34204365
>when meds finally kicked in

>>34194301
2023.

>>34204249
I wish I didn't know this review existed, nor the annoying tranny JacobC arguing about sexism in the comment.

>>34204249
I wish I never read this review and any of Jacob C's comments regarding sexism. Not surprising that he is a tranny or that he has a kiwifarms page.

I hope we get new Tsukihime doujins

>>34203605
Does she even have the tattoos while in fighting mode in the remake? They don't show up on her Melty sprite.

>>34194576
God fucking damn it, give me the Yumizuka route.
The fuck do you want from me Nasu. I'll pay for DLC, I'll fucking roll for 0.5% drop chance on the fucking route. Just fucking give this cutie to me, you fuck!

>>34206165
You get NOTHING.

>>34205853
does she even have the fighting mode in the remake? so far zero concept arts

>>34206222
Nasu, I beg you. I'll give you money. I'll give you blood. Do you need a kidney? I can give you one. Let's be reasonable here - you give me what I want and I give you an obscene amount of money. The base price for the remake is 60 Euro, so we both know I'm an unreasonable paypig. Let's fucking print you some money!

>>34206252
We can assume she'll look like the Melty sprite since it has a redesigned stake gun, and in those sprites she doesn't have any tattoos.

>>34198270
The assumption is that her tattoos are magical so they can disappear when not needed, but Nasu has said that Ciel paints them on so who knows anymore.

I'm rereading Tsukihime in Japanese after hell knows how long and I gotta say Akiha gives off a somehow different attitude. She didn't seem so cold in the translation just after a few lines, I dunno. Was I just not paying attention back then and ignored it?

>>34207225
Even in English she's quite cold, especially towards the beginning. It caught me off guard too as I had gotten too used to her KT/Melty incarnations.

>>34207234
>It caught me off guard too as I had gotten too used to her KT/Melty incarnations.
Yeah, I guess it's probably same for me. Same thing I get with Illya after Prisma and other characters after works where their personality is kinda different.

>>34207275
They very intentionally play up certain character traits for comedy in the sequels and spinoffs, but it's not to say there wasn't a basis for them in the originals. I'm on the Akiha route now on my own reread and she's acting a lot more how I remembered since this is pretty much the only route that has her warm up to Shiki properly and go full tsun with him.

Hello Mr. Nasu, Rider route?

>>34207338
Guess everything will clear up when I get there as well. And KT is next in queue. I just hope I can find time to reread all of it before the remake is out.

Type Moon seems really intimidating to get into. There's a lot to read

>>34207581
It's almost as if they specialize in novels.

>>34207581
just stay a secondary pleb, leave novels to real men, kiddo

>>34207581
I've never read any of the LN

It seems like it’s the 9th anniversary of Mahoyo’s release in Japan. Happy anniversary!

I can't read

>>34208146
Me neither

I love Ayako

>>34208406
She is nice too bad i killed her

>>34208406
did shinji do her

>>34208533
who the fuck would willingly have sex with shinji

>>34208670
me and sakura

>>34208670
every single faceless spriteless girl in the school apparently
and sakura

>>34206165
DA Satsuki from Melty's arcade mode is my favorite TM character.

>>34204440
No you’re based

What exactly is bad with becoming a dead apostle

>>34209406
Your body starts to rot and weaken unless you regularly feed on other people
Which probably sucks

>>34209522
>unless you regularly feed on other people
just raid a morgue or a cemetary

>>34209551
I assume the bodies have to be fresh, so morgues would be your only option and even then good luck regularly raiding a morgue

>>34209406
vampire bad
church good

>>34209406
Because it appears every single one of them has been fucked over by immortality and is trying to fulfill that giant hole in their heart with more and more degeneracy. Except nothing works and they're left with an eternity of unfulfilling boredom.

>humans rejecting their humanity is bad
who would've thought!

>>34209551
Isn't it just blood? You should be raiding blood banks instead.

>>34209565
It'll be like in Vampire the Masquerade. The person who runs it dgaf so they take bribes to let vampires in and sell blood packs.

>>34209712
why?

>>34209746
fuck off

>>34209772
Someone's had too much Nasu koolaid.

>you are dropped into the timeline of your choice at any point you want between 1980-2015
what do you do

A crossover would be cool

>>34209845
Rape the maids.

>>34209845
2004. be his best friend.

>>34209845
Which timeline and what series of choices do I need to make to marry rin tosaka

>>34209845
Akiha timeline, when Arc first appears in the city. I'll meet and befriend her while Shiki is busy with his sis.

>>34210053
Why would she befriend a normal guy

>>34210061
She would befriend someone willing to see her as a person.

>>34210053
based vampire fucker

>>34210061
Arcueid doesn't hate socializing, she just doesn't know how to do it. It wouldn't be that hard to get her to like you. If all else fails, you could just try to murder her.

>>34210189
so if you hit on her she'll respond to it?

>>34210189
You would have to succeed.

>>34209845
I pick Mahoyo so I can be comfy in showa era Japan.

>>34210215
Well, no, since she probably doesn't have a good grasp on the idea. But it wouldn't be impossible to find a reason for her to want to hang around you since there are a lot of things she's never done and would probably be curious about if you made them sound interesting
>>34210219
Yeah, that would be the tricky part

9 years of the best.

>>34210504
>Aoko and alice are bitches
>soujuurou is an autist
arguably the worst cast in a vn evver

>>34210539
I feel bad for your taste.

>>34210539
>not liking autists and bitches in vns
Read more vns

>>34210257
you would still be a gaijin though

>>34210539
it's really just evangelion

>>34211535
why is she flat

>>34213326
It's more delicious that way

>>34213326
Because flat is based

>>34210504
Here to remind you to learn italian or french

>>34209959
>Yfw its part of the reason why the nasuverse doesn't do a church centered story.

>>34215018
Based cheese/pasta bro

>>34215191
They really should though. Church in Nasuverse seems to be the evilest fucking thing imaginable. They tortured Ciel until she completely lost a will to live, they made Kirei, they turned Caren into a prostitute, they burned Jeanne at a stake (which became relevant when Jeanne Alter was introduced). And Roa was a priest who created the burial agency.
The church in Nasuverse is the most malevolent organization they have, and I'm not even sure if Nasu intended that.

>>34215633
nasu is obviously a japanese nationalist, the entire TM is just flexing the superiority of japanese culture

>>34215695
I don't think anyone here would fall for a shitpost like that.

>>34215715
not an argument

Nasu's hottest scenes are always ones involving brutality and molestation.

>>34215883
I'd say threesomes are his best work. Kohaku and Hisui, Saber and Rin, Rider and Sakura - those are the most memorable scenes he wrote.

>>34215907
Those are worth consideration.

>>34211535
flat is justice

>>34215695
agreed, in all of his works you can find this contrast between japanese and western culture and he always makes sure to make nippon come out on top.

>>34215939
Why does he only care about Western myths and history then?

>>34215942
to show how inferior to nippon they are

>>34215963
Sasaki was sure the superior... gate guard? Does Sasaki even count, seeing how Hassan became the actual Assassin?

>>34215942
because jops find it exotic just like we find shinto exotic

also, nasu's works have little to do with 'western myths', he merely takes inspiration in them. you seriously need to be a brain damaged weeaboo to think that saber and king arthur share anything in common beside being knights

>>34215981
>hassan ibn sabbah
>western

>>34215633
I mean, Arcueid points out that the church is mankind's defense against vampires and supernatural shit, so it's more of an extreme ruthlessness rather than pure evil. Kirei was already a sociopath at birth, and Roa was autistic about immortality and had a meltdown when he met Arcueid.
The Church is 100% responsible for their mistreatment of Ciel and Caren though.

>>34215633
Kirei wasn't the Church's fault. Tf r u talking about

>>34216044
>because jops find it exotic just like we find shinto exotic
They love Japanese myths far more, FGO always found massive success with Japanese servants. And yet Nasu never bothered with it.
>you seriously need to be a brain damaged weeaboo to think that saber and king arthur share anything in common beside being knights
That's bullshit and you know it. Nasu wrote Garden of Avalon as a fucking Arthurian fanfiction, he fucking loves that stuff. Then there's Zelretch. Have you even read anything Nasu ever wrote, or do you just watch cartoons?
I swear this thread is full of secondary retards.

>>34216200
>Then there's Zelretch
What does Zelretch have to do with king Arthur?

>>34216200
>Why does he only care about Western myths
>They love Japanese myths far more

are you moving the goalpost again, schizo? take your meds

>Nasu wrote Garden of Avalon as a fucking Arthurian fanfiction

yeah, like 10 years later to make saber's mythos look less retarded

>>34216261
Zelretch is the most powerful human we know, and I'm pretty sure he's not Japanese.

>>34216280
>Nasu uses Western characters because dem japs find our western myths to be cool and exotic!!
>No, actually, they don't really give a shit, and Japanese mythology sells far better in Japan.
>STOP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS
Seek help please.
>yeah, like 10 years later to make saber's mythos look less retarded
Is that supposed to be your excuse or something? He wrote it a bit after FSN, so it doesn't count?
You really are a secondary.

>>34216294
>t. gachatard

we are talking about cultural superiority, not WHO CAN KILL GIL WITH ONE HIT, microcephalic imbecile

>>34216331
>we are talking about cultural superiority
No, you're the only one talking about it.

>>34216330
>nasu uses Western characters because he finds western myths to be exotic
>No, actually Japanese mythology sells far better in Japan
>I'M NOT MOVING THE GOALPOST

seek meds

>>34216343
and you're the only one talking about power stats, underage retard

>>34216365
>Nasu wrote tons of novels and built a gigantic franchise on Western mythology and history not because he sincerely enjoys them and wants to explore them in his works, but only because he finds them exotic
Please think before you write.

>>34216381
You're saying that Nasu is a Japanese nationalist, but Zelretch being who he is in Nasu's works somehow doesn't count because?..

>>34216387
that's correct. please stop being a gullible weeaboo

>>34216407
>Kischur Zelretch Schweinorg

who the fuck is this guy anyway? jewish? schweinorg? seriously? the name is basically nasu laughing his ass off 'LOL SO EUROPEAN XDDDDD'

>>34215715

>>34216491
I stand corrected.

>>34216294
He is part vampire, and I'm confident Aoko slaps the old man.

>>34216606
Zelretch isnt vampire in fate universe, btw. Could both Zelretch even meet?

>>34216330
>a bit after FSN

yeah, 'a bit after' as in 'when Fate became a multibillion internationally recognizable franchise'

So, can Shiki kill servants or not? I'm pretty sure he could.

>>34220391
His eyes probably can, but he's not fast enough regardless.

>>34220391
>>34220424
Don't worry, the remake will power him up and settle this question once and for all.

>>34220391
Yes, if we simply assume all rules carry over. However, Shiki really isn't that capable. I guess we could argue that Shiki, if he became a vampire from Roa's influence, it would maybe be possible, but otherwise pretty much every other fight he's had was really one he shouldn't have won

Is there a way to tell how fluent you should be in order to read the remake in nihongo? Would reading the original in nipponese be a good qualifying benchmark?

>>34220870
bro just use a dictionary

>>34220870
You need to be able to read a book (or something similar). Being able to read the original is a good benchmark though for sure. You can always just suffer through a dictionary though.

>>34220920
I know a measly 100 kanji and words now I think.

>>34220920
I ask because Nasu's elegant prose might have become more complex since his already extremely complicated lines 20 years prior, such as:

"This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair."

>>34221016
You joke about that, but the lines in Tsukihime when Shiki kills Arc are fun. I hope you happen to know a bunch of anatomical terms in Japanese.

>>34216044
He is definitely western to Japan, yes.

>>34220870
Original Tsuki has around 13000 unique words, more than half of which only appear 1-3 times in the entire VN. So, you'd need to be very advanced (higher than N1) or use the dictionary a lot since texthooking probably won't be possible. Grammar isn't too hard, reading something else by Nasu will definitely get you accustomed.

>>34216044
Read La Morte.

>>34221162
okay, so united states is eastern asia to japan

keep us posted, schizo

>>34220391
Define Shiki.

Does anybody remember at which point All Evil of the World plays for the first time?

>>34222772
When Rin approaches Sakura at the greater grail.

>>34223017
Imagine rawdogging her

Does anyone know how many remixed VN tracks are used in the HF movies? I think there are a lot less in comparison to UBW (Ufotable) which had a ton.
In HF we just have one Emiya remix and the rest is Yuki Kaijura/Heaven's Feel Movie themes

>>34194101
why does Waver have tits?

Still wondering how the fuck they're going to give this dude a major role in the story with nero AND roa still running around doing their respective shit.

Are they going to write nero out of arc's route altogether? Tone is role down significantly?

>>34223415
pretty sure it's just the one, very unfortunate
I was hoping for All Evils of the World at least.

>>34223415
Kienai Omoi plays after Shinji comes for a visit in the first movie and before and during the mana transfer in the second one.

>>34223628
Oh, and it also played in one of the trailers if that counts.

>>34223628
Huh you're right. I can only barely recognize the song, when I first watched it I didn't notice at all.

>>34223508
He did HRT, please no shaming

>>34223415
>No Light and Darkness
Pretty sure Sudou skipped the whole final fight because he wanted to keep fapping to Sakura

>The best OST didn't make it to the second movie
https://youtu.be/BjlNjiftFPo
a fucking shame

>>34223829
Unfortunately, that's the only one I got (aside from Emiya). I remember being hyped when it appeared in the trailer, now I just feel disappointed. There's also the first UBW ED playing in the second movie when Shirou and Sakura are walking home holding hands and somewhere in the third one I believe.

>>34223910
I'm so disappointed at the lack of VN tracks in the movies.
I'm a massive Sakurafag, but honestly the more I think about it the more I dislike the movie adaptations overall. Such a shame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzlTsQsc9-Q

>>34223932
>>34223950
I mean I get what they were trying to do with the music since I really like the leitmotifs and many of the new tracks but I would have prefered Light and Darkness for the Kirei fight.

>>34224101
Just Shirou yelling KOTOMINE KIREEEI would've done it for me. A shame they they adapted it the way they did.

>>34223950
I found Sakura annoying in the movies.
But I don't really like her so decided to revisit the VN, maybe it's just a bias.
But no, I ended up liking Sakura more than ever before.
Weird.

>>34224008
for me it's
https://youtu.be/WchkirId_wk

The conversation between Shirou and Zouken at the matou estate in Lost Butterfly is easily a highlight of the trilogy for me. Overall I agree that they should've used more tacks from the game, one of my biggest nitpicks with Spring Song specifically.

>>34224298
Yeah no rereading the VN right now and I can definitely say she’s far more likeable in it. The scene with the knife hit me so much harder, nevermind the rain scene. She’s far more likeable because you actually get POV of her inner thoughts and see just how crazy shes going which the movie does a horrid job of showing because ufo is terrified of inner monologues for some reason. Honestly i just felt kinda jack all watching the movies cause shirou feels so fucking empty as a character in them and sakura just comes off way less dynamic

>>34224159
>no name yelling
>no "Light and Darkness"
>no contrast between Kirei's sadistic smile and Shirou's determined but furious look
>Kirei is just waiting sitting for Shirou instead of just standing there menacingly
>No pic related
They didn't fucking care

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc34rqBxREs

>>34224445
And this is after they convinced Nasu to not rewrite HF.

No Church on the Hill.

>>34224445
I actually really like good or evil, but not having hikari play for at least the last couple blows was stupid. Then again, they cut out half the fight and monologue so lmao
>>34224530
Egregious indeed

>>34224530
wtf you're right

>>34224445
I agree but you gotta admit that the cross drop signalling the start of their duel, and transitioning it directly into a punch to the face was based

Did ufotable dumb down the movie or did they think they were improving it with the changes they made?

>>34224738
They were going for the highlight reel + sakura approach I think, but they fucked up multiple highlights.

>>34224445
>>34224710
Oh and I will add that I disagree that your pic related wasn't in there. That part with the monologue where Shirou realizes that they are very alike, and smiles while talking to Kirei mid-fight ("Of course you won't back down") was Sudo's say of showing that Shirou liked Kirei without explicitly saying it. You don't smile like that when you're fighting someone you hate. Personally, I was satisfied with that.

>>34224802
That line became kind of a meme because it's actually really powerful. It's not some ambiguous bullshit like smiling in the middle of the fight, it's Shirou admiting to himself he likes the main antagonist of the series before they fistfight to death.
This scene is great because of how direct and similar Shirou and Kirei are, and the movie failed to portray that.

Nasu did try to rewrite ubw too but got denied too right?

>>34224710
When three pretty critical parts of the fight were it only happening because they already exhausted any other way of coming to terms, Kirei being completely untouchable, and Shirou desperately protecting his head because a single blow would kill him, the execution there was as bad as every other fight in this trilogy.

>>34224802
>he vaguely smiled, which could have easily been out of pity or something, but is definitely a functional substitute for their entire arc being virtually absent

>>34225154
“Evils of humanity” got added but don’t know much past that

>>34225049
I've seen nips also complaining about the lack of this line

>>34224298
She was my favorite before I read the vn and after I found her in the movies to be annoying

>>34225154
He did pen at least a handful of the changes that made it in.

It just feels like ufo got too high off the praise people gave them and decided flashy = better to appeal to the lowest common denominator and show off how flashy they are
KnK and Zero had much more restraint in their battles and only went all out on animation for things like NPs which is what they should do
Its just sad man

>>34225326
>decided flashy = better to appeal to the lowest common denominator
I mean, they're not wrong. Demon Slayer was an above-average shounen manga, but once Ufotable gave it a super-flashy makeover, it broke literally all records, and it's still breaking them.

>>34225349
I mean it certainly works so I dont blame them, but man I wish they’d show just a little restraint yknow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGvKVpTKlyo

>>34225357
I'm just afraid that this approach will spill into TsukiR, and instead of atmospheric knife fights, we will watch people slicing up buildings.

>>34225377
medussy...

>>34225049
Why is this picture so blurry. But yeah that line is awesome.

>>34225049
>This scene is great because of how direct and similar Shirou and Kirei are, and the movie failed to portray that.
But it doesn't fail to portray it since we now get a different monologue explaining why they are similar. You might not have liked the execution but it's still there.

I've accepted that the movies weren't going to match the VN in all aspects no matter how hard they tried. It did get the core of Heaven's Feel right though, despite needing moar Illya.
However one thing the movies did better was the Saber Alter vs Rider fight. It was so damn good. I mean it's anime, you can't really lose against a VN except when you fuck up real bad, but they went above and beyond with the fight scenes.
>>34225377
You posted it just as I was writing this post, serendipity

>>34225377
This is a good example of "how much is too much". Some of the shots here are fucking beautiful, like pic related. It really looks like the best 2D animation you'll see for the foreseeable future.
But then they start flying around like fucking DBZ characters, and you completely lose the plot. Where the fuck are they relative to each other and the ground? What the fuck is going on with all the stones flying around, are they fighting in a tornado or something? What is happening?
And this is a crucial mistake for any fight scene. If the viewer is disoriented - you fucked up.

>>34225497
The whole point of the fight scene is that Medusa is overwhelming Saber Alter with speed, if they didn't dash all over the cave the portrayal of the fight scene would be completely wrong. Also you can see the ground in most of the shots so I have no idea how you were confused.

>>34225408
I mean when mushroom said nuShiki would BTFO sword Shiki i can already see everyone powering up with building destruction being the norm now

>>34225497
Exactly, this fight is just so much nonsense I couldnt tell what was happening half the time or why they were fighting and, more importantly, the total disregard for the combat space. Based off how much damage was happening youd think they destroyed a whole ass mountain and that theres no way shirou survived but nah hes a okay and the cave is still just a cave lol

>>34225544
>mushroom said nuShiki would BTFO sword Shiki
When did he say this?

>>34225544
To be fair Shiki did destroy a building (or rather a hallway) with his eyes so its not like it wasnt feasible
But yeah it’ll be stupid

Can arcueid defeat a beast

Why does evil sakura make me so hard

little black sprite familiar who turns into clothes to cover nakedkura is the most underrated spring song

>>34225524
There are ways to show speed without shit flying all over the screen. A good rule of thumb is - both opponents should always be visible when they're making contact, and full-body shots are absolutely necessary when they're engaged in combat. Quick cuts should be avoided (tracking shots are far, far more impressive and fun to watch), and the geometry of the arena should always be easy to understand, so you don't get shit like pic related. Where were they? Where are they flying? Where did they land? Where are they going next? What the fuck is going on, I thought this was a fucking cave, not the Geofront.
I'm not saying it's a bad fight scene, far from it. But it could've been much better if Ufotable didn't go ham.
>>34225548
Pretty much, yes.

>>34225469
>You might not have liked the execution but it's still there.
Objectively wrong, stopped reading right there.

>>34225469
>execution doesn't matter
>it's still there
Do you mean the dialogue where Kirei talks about Kiritsugu the whole time or the one line the left in where points out their pleasures are opposites?
>It did get the core of Heaven's Feel right though
It's like they systematically went through every scene, identified the most important part, and cut it out.

>>34225524
The two seconds in the Vita OP was able to portray it perfectly clearly. It went so far in the opposite directions that Saber is using Excalibur like it's nothing for a dumb transition and thus still got it wrong. You can point out details going through something moving 100 kmh and that won't suddenly make it less incoherent. You can be spun around on your head and see the ground and you will still be disoriented. The number of secondaries who misunderstood the ending alone is evidence that doesn't work.

>>34225524
Remember in movie 1 where Rider jobs to Saber after moving light speed the same way as in this movie, and then when she comes back at Ryuudou Temple where it's supposed to show how much better her movements are she's moving slightly slower?

>>34225740
Are you excited for her route in the F/SN remake?

>>34225915
i only want an ayako route

>>34225915
Rider defenestration fetish.

>>34225548
For one thing the greater grail is in an absolutely huge cave, so what if she knocks off a whole row of stalactites and stalagmites. Excaliblasts are incredibly powerful as we already know. After seeing its power in HF2, not looking like it could destroy a whole mountain would be inaccurate.

The Excaliblasts launched huge rocks into the air, I don't know why you two are confused on where they came from. If anything the flying rocks respect combat space. I couldn't disagree with you harder.

>>34225617
I admit that pic related could be hard to see, but when I watched the movie I could clearly tell that Medusa was kicked into a rock, slid down, and Saber followed in pursuit. The problem with your criticism is that they don't stay in an arena in the first place, Medusa is attacking from above and all sides. So what does Saber Alter do? She launches rock up into the air and chases her on those rocks, at which point the whole cave is the 'arena', and it becomes much harder to clearly show where everything is. It could definitely be better if we see a clear picture of where everything is in relation to this rock battlefield they created, I agree. We do get some placing shots showing that the initial arena is down below where Shirou is looking down on the sunken down area, but I am too lazy to take screenshots right now. My point is that there really wasn't that much confusion on my end as to where the fighters were, and I don't think that the your rules of thumb would necessarily make a scene better, even if it does become easier to see some movements (which are mostly clear, at least for me).


>>34225668
>The two seconds in the Vita OP was able to portray it perfectly clearly
No, the Vita OP did not portray it clearly, don't you guys often complain about too much flashy light effects in Ufotable's work? This is literally the same idea as the movie but done worse due to budget so they used light beams. This has got to be nostalgia talking. I can't even tell what Medusa is doing later in the OP with the magic seal.

>You can point out details going through something moving 100 kmh
They had plenty of slowed down closeup shots in the did in the fight scene in the movie so I don't see your point

>You can be spun around on your head and see the ground and you will still be disoriented
Yeah but I mean, I see where they're standing and where they're going pretty clearly, in my opinion. Not that there are many places to go.

>The number of secondaries who misunderstood the ending alone is evidence that doesn't work.
Sorry I didn't read any secondary opinions recently, what misunderstanding are you referring to?

man why did I decide to disagree with you fags it takes too much time to argue

>>34225991
You missed one >>34225708

>>34225559
In his recent TsukiR interview when he was asked what tsukihime gonna do now that fate went far with their powerlevel scale

>>34225991
Cause you love us anon

>>34226003
I'm gonna go workout first because I can't really recall what that post is referring to

testing

Testing

>>34225991
>it has to be bad because HF2 was bad
The first problem is that it's already taking place in an uncharacteristic cavern, which was also originally just a passage to the main chamber. Excalibur explodes and it cuts to a bunch of rubble. You can infer where it came from, but it's definitely not clear.

There's two cuts where the ground is clearly beneath them (despite it having just been annihilated), but for the rest of the fight, the background is is filled with more dust and rubble or indiscernible from speed blur and dof. During this entire time both of them and the pov are bouncing in every possible direction. She gets kicked downward relative to the pov, but when they're on something rotating(?) at an ambiguous speed, where is that in real space, and when it cuts, where is the new down?

All there is to work with are the ambiguous points A (Rider) and B (Saber). We can see when they hit the ground (which is pretty ironically when they decide to go back to the story, like when Shirou keeps taking off his jacket), but while trying to make sense of these two points, there's no way you distinguished when they started being affected by gravity and if they were going up, down, or sideways, and there's definitely no way you were thinking all of this while watching it. Shirou is completely irrelevant to the fight until the last moment, but when you start wondering where he, the entrance, and the exit are, and how all of these things are completely unaffected, it gets so much worse.

They contrived such a chaotic space specifically so the animators could do whatever they want without having to actually consider coherence. Without getting too into the style itself, episode 131 of DBS shows the right way to do it and with double the characters to follow to boot.

TL;DR it's basically nonsense designed to induce sensory overload to compensate for the lack of any cognitive stimulation like you would see in the VN or even episode 131 of DBS, which can get much more powerful, lasting reactions.

>3rd response
Afaik we're only talking about the second half where things get out of control. In the OP, they turned her into a ball of light because it was easier to do. It's easy to identify what is what. The first half has plenty of cringey shit to make fun of not to mention Excaliblast abuse, but I think that's off-topic. What did you think of the ending's clarity?

>>34226540
i liked the scene at the end of the fight when a clearly mangled rider just kinda bounces out of frame like a crash test dummy

>>34225583
Her ass maybe

>>34225952
This

>>34226870
>cucked like 4 times
should have settled for Rider

>>34226870
Ideal female

My favorite part of Ayako is how she's a whiny piece of meat that can't do anything herself