/jp/ - Otaku Culture

JJ thread!

Morning Musume Concert 09/09/20 Chiba Day
http://www.sendspace.com/file/1iec3x

Morning Musume Concert 09/09/20 Chiba Night
http://www.sendspace.com/file/boalgf

Just bringing up the links from the previous thread, listen as the tour gels together.
Setlist here: http://od-radio.blogspot.com/2009/09/morning-musume-concert-tour-2009-fall.html

Pretty clear Aewen is a JJ wota

>>3414118
dat Mari

Va-JJ!

>>3414184
wow....

Old fag here. I for one am happy that Koha bitch will be gone. Now you new fag koha fag fans will know our pain. You are now a old fag.

>>3414235
>You are now a old fag.
Don't give them false hope.

>>3414235
Most everyone here is happy she is leaving,
although its kind of sad that she won't be at the blunt end of our jokes anymore..

so who's getting the hate directed to now? just curious

>>3414235

Is that pic retouched? I can't really tell.

>>3414307
Your mother.

>>3414279

She will be forgotten and made irrelevant soon anyways. She can't sing, can't talk to people...

>>3414308

nope, but this one is...

>>3414316
The strange thing is I think she has such pride for herself
that she thinks she can grow outside of Musume.
She'll probably wind up on some kids show would be my guess, not successful model although she is tall.

>>3414083
> Save the English language: http://www.anonta[removethis]lk.com/ICARE
Seconded.

>>3414334
You used the DSi for that didn't you?

Dance that crazy dance

>>3414363

Stripper's heels. How fitting.

>>3414334

>>3414356
DSi ? what is this? No, I just found that pic in a old fag thread.

>>3414403

sup fellow old fag bro.

Don't forget to sing...

...Ding dong the witch is dead.

>>3414420

>>3414420
> GOLDEN fag 1999
What's it like waking up bitter and angry everyday?

>>3414420
>>3414497
fucking sayu can DIAF. She said on that show that she hates being around junjun because she thinks junjun "copies" her in that she tries to be cute (of course, like sayu). Sayu thinks that junjun copies her fashion and clothes too.

She also said that no one can be cute except for herself, and that anyone else even trying to is useless.

if you think you are so cute, try and take care of your face instead of piling on makeup, bitch

>>3414552

Man, when Mari Yaguchi was in momusu... man.

>>3414613
Is the 2001 sports festival online somewhere? I've seen the concert that was after it but not the sports part.

I love how all those pics of Morning Musume in their prime date back to no later than 2003. Truly six years straight down the shitter.

>>3414597
And you can thank her for clumsily producing ZYX, aka Cancer on a Stick.

>>3414656
>Truly six years straight down the shitter.
fascinating...

>>3414706

If you think otherwise then make me a believer by listing me some accomplishments they achieved in last 6 years that nobody else has replicated yet. Look, I'll make it even simpler for you: just convince me that the course of events that has gone down during said period didn't spell fading glory, I defy you.
I'll be here waiting for an answer.

>>3414742
Don't worry, your perfect image of Musume is clearly locked in a safe and nothing is going to get at it.
The point is because of this all you can do now is spout out hate like a broken record, why even try to convince someone like that of the Merits of Eri, Reina, Ai now. You are taking it far too seriously, you need to let it go.

So what do you listen to now?

i usually come to this site everyday to check anything new. and when i saw koha was leaving my heart broke.... =( i mma miss her soooooo much!!!!! I had gotten used to seeing her in momusu now i just feel like ive been crushed. I honestly thoigh ai-chan was going to be the next to leave koha leaving makes me even more sad than anything else.

im also sad because this lineup was the one that I feel in love with.....
though now im looking foward to the ew auditions.... but still heartbroken

>>3414923
Well, maybe I´m not a Koharu Kusumi fan but, when I read this news, it was a huge shock for me ´cause I never expected this to happened.
It´s quite sad because in my opinion, I beleive that Hello! Project is loosing alot of members, they have talent or not, release singles or not, I thintk it´s really sad that now, 6 months later, again loose another member.
Well, let´s just wait to see what happened in the near future.

>>3414926
I completely doubt Koharu had much choices in deciding to graduate or not. Most are graduating out of their own will, mostly because either they have plans for the idols or their making way for the new, or perhaps the idols are losing their interest or slowing the pace of the group. But it certainly is very rare for an idol to decide to quit being an idol of their own will. I can't think of really any who wanted to leave their spot and risk themselves to start all over again. It's just survival of the fittest >_< it's not that surprising considering the graduation spot is against 5th and 6th gen and the new 8th gen. Wish she excelled more early on and gain more solos, now it's just a bit too late >_<

I can't wait to see 9th gen, I got a feeling they'll be bringing in a surprise girl in addition to 2-3 audition winning girls. Tsunku is just sneaky like that lol.

>>3414932
Koharu really grew on me as time went by. she really lights up a room. Her smile, her genkiness! And I think she's really talented. It's quite surprising to hear this news! But it's not so sad because she can handle herself in a solo career of some sort I'm sure. She's really conident in front of a camera too. I have to say though I'm glad it's Koharu and not say.....Sayumi or Eri.....I'd DIE if they left!!

Dont mind me, just old fagging around.

I remember 2001 was a good year for Morning Musume.

>>3414923

fuck you new fag. I am fucking happy and considering that I have seen whole generations come and go... one koha bitch leaving is NOTHING. NOW you can finally understand the way us old fans feel about our Golden era Morning Musume. We were all heart broken, and left bitter about our favorite musumes graduating. She wont be the last to grad, and I assure you, someone else more shitty will take her place.

The copypasted bullfuck! It's back!
Report that shit.

>>3415049
Good job replying to the copy/paste faggot.

>>3415049
Lol Koharu is the girl who actually makes Momusu interesting. Especially since shes so goofy <3

>>3415072

Your new faggot face is goofy.

>>3415072
its still a shock 0_0 how can i GET OVER this????...-_- koharu;_;

>>3415078
Why dose she go?
Now I want to cry
I love KOHA very much
KOHA is my life
I can't beleve it.
KOHA~~~~

>>3415081

You get over it the same way that us old fags do. You get pissed off. Don't worry, someday when half of Morning Musume is Korean and Chinese, some future new faggot will run his mouth about how the present Morning Musume is better then all other gens before it, including Koha bitch. At that very point , you have become one of us.

>>3415086
Is it wrong that I tried reading that like a haiku or something?

>>3415049
Too bad most of us on /jp/ don't give two shits about Koharu. Hold off on the speeches until someone who actually matters to the group leaves.

>>3415098
lol, responding to copy-paste spam

>>3415130

i am still waiting for Risa and all of 6th gen to get the boot. But I would love to see the tears on Aika's face at her last concert. Then again, those two pandas should not even be in Morning Musume to begin with... well, Takahashi has been there waay to long... wait, uh,ahhh! I cant decide!

Can't we just graduate them all and either be done with it, or just start over clean?

>>3415180

sounds almost like a good idea at this point

It seems like Koharu's graduation was an one-sided decision on Tsunku's part. In his sendoff message he even noted that she was a little puzzled (read: too retarded to take the hint) by the announcement.

LOL, even he realized that his "miracle member" was just a spoiled incompetent drab they kept doting with attention in hopes she would give something back eventually.
Considering the speedy decision, I even wonder if he got into love affair like that slut Kago while busy loitering around doing nothing constructive as per her habit.

>>3414923
>>3414926

It seems like Koharu's graduation was an one-sided decision on Tsunku's part. In his sendoff message he even noted that she was a little puzzled (read: too retarded to take the hint) by the announcement.

LOL, even he realized that his "miracle member" was just a spoiled incompetent drab he kept doting with attention in hopes she would give something back eventually.
Considering the speedy decision, I even wonder if she got into love affair like that slut Kago while busy loitering around doing nothing constructive as per her habit and now want to keep everything secret lest to fall even lower into disfavor.

>>3415201
>>3415201

It's not a good idea, it's a GREAT idea!

Do you guys think we will ever see anymore Mari photobooks or sekuci alo-hello type dvds in the future ?

It seems like Koharu's graduation was an one-sided decision on Tsunku's part. In his sendoff message he even noted that she was a little puzzled (read: too retarded to take the hint) by the announcement.

LOL, even he realized that his "miracle member" was just a spoiled incompetent drab he kept doting with attention in hopes she would give something back eventually.
Considering the hurriedness of it all, I even wonder if she got into a love affair like that slut Kago while busy loitering around doing nothing constructive as per her habit and now the management wants to keep everything secret lest to fall even lower into disfavor.

>>3414628
>Is the 2001 sports festival online somewhere?
Should be here, password is in the <hr>
http://takahashi-ai.blogspot.com/search/label/DescDVD

>>3415265
>falcor.jpg
Oh wow you are the same troll from that long time ago

low level trolling is tremendously low level.

>>3415292
>In his sendoff message he even noted that she was a little puzzled
From reading the 2ch threads it seems there are around 7 possibilities all of which I really don't wish to invest too much of my time into as I am not a Koha wota nor wish to dig into that discussion.
But if it is how you say a one sided Tsunku decision I have a lot more respect for the guy, clearly he saw as you noted a general stubborness in her personality and saw the clay had taken full form and it wasn't going to work with what he envisions Musume future.
But at the same time it really makes you wonder if there was some riff raff going on with the executives or family issues.
Again, not being that invested in Koharu I'll let the 2ch wotas occupy their time with that discussion. But it really makes you wonder what Tsunku is going to do next.

Also
Mari spammer, could you slow down the postings, being on the /jp/ frontpage constantly will make some anons rage.

>>3415364
riff raff ♫
street rat ♫

As a new fag to all this idolan stuff i'd just like to say that old gen morning musume has kept me from an heroing for the last five months or so. Every day i come home in pain from a days work, every joint in my body screaming from rheumatoid arthritis, hands clicking, burning... knees knocking, I'm 27. Somehow it's all fine as i know i have a subtitled episode of Utaban, what crazy antics will they get up to today ? I really don't know but its keeping me alive Sad thing is, i think i have seen just about every subtitled old gen Momusu file there is....
...and now, i don't know how long i have.

>>3415388
>...and now, i don't know how long i have.
Until you realize how utterly pathetic idols and their fans are.

>>3415388
>every joint in my body screaming from rheumatoid arthritis, hands clicking, burning... knees knocking, I'm 27
I can tell if this is troll but lol
late 20's on 4chan = death's doorstep

>>3415388
So sad.

>>3415418
Oooh Mari with blue eyes, any more from that performance?

>>3415388

Do not forgot the old gen member's blogs. And old photobooks. you can still find many golden era Morning Musume stuff floating around on ebay and yahoo auction.

>Every day i come home in pain from a days work, every joint in my body screaming from rheumatoid arthritis, hands clicking, burning... knees knocking, I'm 27
You might want to see a doctor, I had the same problem and it turned out to have a solvable (well, at least it doesn't really get any worse) cause.

I like this

>>3415506
>>3415521

Looking at this pictures, its like seeing at familiar faces from long ago. It is like Looking at old high school group pictures or seeing old friends from years ago appear in your dreams. Never aging a day and looking exactly the same as they did during that time.

How long ago those times were.

Nostalgia Musume, truly was the greatest set of musume generations.

>>3415521
>>3415544
>>3415506


Looking at these pictures, it's like seeing old familiar faces from long ago. It is like Looking at old high school group pictures or seeing old friends from years ago appear in your dreams. Never aging a day and looking exactly the same as they did during that time.

How long ago those times were.

Nostalgia Musume, truly was the greatest set of musume generations.

>>3415571
cool story bro.

>>3415573

Profits: $0

>>3415586

Profits after they jack up the price to double what the wotas pay in japan but people buy it anyways: Still not enough to get them overseas again

>>3415573
Oh wow, that is a NICE spread, hopefully some of that will actually appear.

>>3415571
>Nostalgia Musume, truly was the greatest set of musume generations
Look I'm a proprieter of group therapy but is this really how you go about being an oldfan.
And whats with this fascination of having us experience the pain of watching our favorite members leave, this isn't a rape victims meeting.
I mean all the power to you for being there during its economic prime but music constantly evolves and changes and fans post 2003 want to experience the Musume experience in their own ways.

>>3415600
Pricing will be interesting, just hoping the photocards aren't ridiculous (2-3 bucks each)
Although those banners look pretty sweet.

>>3415603

Well, prove him wrong. Morning Musume really was better back then. You lose.

>>3415654
I'd be pretty crazy to make an argument against the 2003-04 H!P concerts with Abe, Maki, Ayaya, Musume in their supportive prime and level of national support.
But at the same time I am sort of glad to not have the emotional "baggage" some of you fags have from then. I am able to listen to all of Musume and note the victories across its history. And I've said it before, a lot of the older Musume songs simply aren't for me.
But at the same time the attitude you and alot of older fans hold have strangle holded girls into a tiny period of time. Watch any of the solo Maki, Ayaya, Abe appearances and watch which songs they cheer for while scoffing at any of their newer releases. Fan will be born in and out of all these generational changes most with different mindsets.

true musume fans love all generations

>>3415697

"2003-04 H!P concerts"

2003-04? LOL.

Try harder. 1999-2002 were the greatest times and were far better then 2003-2004. After 6th gen joined, Morning Musume went down the shitter. Even 5th gen is debatable, I still classify them as dead weight really.

>>3415711

I do agree that the 5th gen did not really amount to much. Morning Musume could have survived and for the most part be unaffected without their inclusion.

>>3415711

So 5th generation is neutrally shity? interesting.

5th gen has takahashi at least. she makes the music listenable

>>3415711
So your response is more of the same
>1999-2002 were the greatest times
Well your entitled to that opinion, I definitely liked a lot of the early singles but alot of the early album tracks are not that stellar.
I only stated the 2003-04 H!P concert because it was when all of the solo acts were going and Musume had so many members, so much to digest.

Also

http://ameblo.jp/tsunku-blog/page-3.html#main
And supposedly Tsunku is taking responsibility for the Koha graduation.

>>3415757

5th gens ONLY saving grace. Too bad she has no charisma and no charm. She might as well be a phantom singer.

>>3415777

Yeah, and I don't even know why the fuck Risa is still in there. She is the least deserving out of all of them, save for Koha and Aika.

sup current morning musume members. dont worry, when you graduate, you will be just as successful as me.

>>3415822
leave makochan ALONE!

mako had potential
she graduated too early

>>3415822

At least Makoto knows English like a ninth grader.

>>3415709

>True tools lap up every shit their Asian masters shovel at them.

>>3415849

Sayaka had true potential. SHE graduated too early. And also got knocked up too early. At least her band was not half bad. She had talent.

>>3415916

Well fellow old fag, she is trying to get back in the game now, desu? Good thing she is just as cute as ever. At least she is getting her act together and has the skillz to back it up.

Where you oldfags coming from anyways?
Since you stop listening to Musume in 2003, what do you do now?

>>3416020

>He listens to Morning Musume songs from 2004 onwards.

>>3416020

Listen to Love Machine and listen to new Morning Musume songs and say "you kids call this music?!", and basically come to /jp/ and talk about myths about a great golden age that once existed then go back to and watch the Koi no Dance Site PV, then go on a old fag forum and bitch about how Tsunku and UFA is killing Morning Musume and debate the exact moment when Hello Project started sucking.

>>3416051
Alright already, I'm so fucking tired of all this Love Machine this, Love Machine that. It's about time to get this out of my chest once and for all.

Hear me out, nostalgic faggots: What do you think has been instrumental in its so-called success? Appeal, talent, popularity? Forget about it, you've just been lying to yourselves all along. Love Machine sold that much solely because it was low-key propaganda.
You believe that I'm just being delirious, don't you? So why don't we take a hard look at the preceding singles and figure out a common pattern to all of this?

First off, we have Manatsu no Kosen, whose sales clocked in at 235,010 copies. Basically a nothingness when you consider that the group used to sell twice as much on a bad day. Furusato fared even worse, netting less than nothing: just 170,670 copies.
And bear in mind, kids, that it's 1999 I'm talking about. The Japanese music business didn't shrink until the second half of '00s and such six figures sale were nothing to write home about back then.

Long story short, we are left with a group with a track record that spells waning luster all around, then comes Love Machine which effortlessly boosts sales times ONE HUNDRED. Holy balls, how could this break happen?
I'll tell you how: first read the lyrics, they are all "HURR DURR We are in economic doldrums, but don't worry for the world will bow before us. NIHON STRONG!". Then ask yourself: What could resonate more with an embittered, indebted Japanese from late '90s who had his ultranationalistic pride punctured once more, this or yet another schmalzy love song?
If you chose the first answer then congratulations, you discovered the secret of Love Machine's success.

>>3416051
So you constructed your world to constantly be trolled by Tsunku and then whine about it?

>>3416069
>indebted Japanese from late '90s who had his ultranationalistic pride punctured once more
I'm not going to hate on Love Machine but it definintely would explain some of the basis behind oldfag attitudes.

>>3416069

I have to agree here. As said before, it's pretty clear that Japs liked Love Machine for the same reason Nazis love Lili Marleen. They both reminded them of their pitiable lives and fed them some feel-good bullshit to allay their misery.
It wasn't because of the girls' "talent" so much as the fact it was propaganda through and through that it garnered success. When you look at it this way, it comes as little surprise that the mojo started to die off as soon as they went back to mushy love songs nobody wanted to hear.

Love Machine didn't sell because Morning Musume was awesome. It sold because it was a song relevant to the times. All of the sales afterward are just runoff.

allow me to present an alternative.

>>3416185

Pretty much yeah. Love Machine's success and by extension Morning Musume's was just a huge fluke, one that they have never truly been able to keep rolling.
Hadn't it been for Tsunku being the first idiot to rise to the opportunity and dash down a cheap propaganda song the group would have disbanded no more than one or two years later later. The only upside is that the girls would have ended up falling into obscurity either ways, except they would've been spared all the gruelling work to live up to a "talent" they never had.

>>3416219
Oh hi bigmacanon, you can go away now.

>>3416185
Cool theory non bro, I wouldn't take either side of this argument. Its clearly somewhere in the middle, while the song was relevant it clearly created a special bond to many of these girls.

>soon as they went back to mushy love songs nobody wanted to hear.
And so the Akb troll decides to pop in. If anything the love songs sealed the bond that these oldfags hold so dear to their favorite Musumes.

>>3416197
Can we get Mari to host the next H!P show?
Tsunku make it happen.

actually, renai revolution 21 was the peak

>>3416265

If you don't want to take sides why are you so quick at portraying me as a troll? I have no actual preference for either groups, and at any rate if you knew your shit you would know that stereotypical love songs make up the bulk of both groups' repertoire with the exception of some outliers so I don't see what your point could be.

Anyhow, the crux of the matter was that Love Machine's success hinged on the fact it was propaganda released at the most critical time.
Replace the propaganda with love songs and, you know what I'm getting at, people will stop paying attention.

>>3416282

>Love Machine (propaganda): 1,646,630 copies

>Renai Revolution 21: 986,040 copies

You guessed wrong, everything after Love Machine past the Bell curve's peak.
Hard as it may be for the most emotionally invested fans, Morning Musume just had no legs.

>>3416282

>Love Machine (propaganda): 1,646,630 copies

>Renai Revolution 21: 986,040 copies

You guessed wrong, everything after Love Machine was altready past the Bell curve's peak.
Hard as it may be for the most emotionally invested fans to swallow, Morning Musume just had no legs.

>>3416282

>Love Machine (propaganda): 1,646,630 copies

>Renai Revolution 21: 986,040 copies

You guessed wrong, everything after Love Machine was altready past the Bell curve's peak.
Hard as it may be for the most emotionally invested fans to swallow, Morning Musume just had no legs as a mainstream group.

>>3416313
>love songs make up the bulk of both groups' repertoire
Fair enough, but don't think the idol industry doesn't have the right to do these types of songs, its part of its allure.
>Replace the propaganda with love songs and
Completely over simplistic argument and definitely not true, idol business in Japan has been churning for decades before and will continue in the future.
>>3416346
>Morning Musume just had no legs.
>Going on 12th year
While no one is arguing they are as powerful as back then they are no where close to that description, if anything they have survived even despite many blunders. They are entirely still relevant as you see all newer idol groups matching up against them.

good god jeebus guys, I'm only away for half a day and shit hits the fan again. greentextfag, oldfags, Islandfag (I know you're around), nacchi fag, copypasta fag(s), all one big happy family.

where's reinyao and mikifag? I know they're hanging around somewhere...

I would normally say "can't we all just get along?", but since it's 4chan, that ain't happenin'

have some img Gakisan. Don't give a shit whether you hate it or not for whatever reason.

>>3416069
that's copypasta bros

>>3416376
>Don't give a shit whether you hate it or not for whatever reason.
Yea I hear ya, kind of tired of having the same oldfan argument in here but the doods said it himself, he lives in a state of suspended life.
But it is an argument of historical relevance and is interesting, I just wished it wasn't the same talking points over and over.

>where is ReinYao
Back in the thralls of the roleplaying warcraft server, his appearance would be of no help.

Also
Anyone watching the new magazines?

>>3416372

>but don't think the idol industry doesn't have the right to do these types of songs

In fact, I wasn't absolutely implying that. I just want the rose tinted glasses wearing faggots to take them off for a second and realize that Love Machine didn't sell because it was good but because it matched up perfectly with the mood of that era.
Even Der Fuhrer's Face, Faccetta Nera and Lili Marleen were popular in their own respective countries and in their own time, but arguably not because they were good.

>Going on 12th year

If you had any idea how even half of these years had been spent you wouldn't have even brought that up as a strenght.

>>3416421
>brought it up as a strength
>they have survived even despite many blunders. They are entirely still relevant
You said they didn't have legs, they have demonstrated they clearly do despite alienating a lot of their previous fans.
They may have been written off by the majority of Japan but their international support is surprisingly strong.

>>3416432

I said that they didn't have legs as a maintream group. Whether a small bunch of hard-edged zealots still persist to buy multiple copies of their singles makes no difference to me or Japan in general. They have all but disappeared from the public scene, withdrawn all of their programs and forgone every chance of getting a comeback by turning themselves into a private club for wotas only.
This has been going on for five years, give or take.

Furthermore, Nanchatte Renai's sales tell otherwise, in particular when compared to other groups.

well, at least Morning Musume used to have the boon of being tended to by a competent and conscious management in their early days...

>>3416459
>They have all but disappeared from the public scene, withdrawn all of their programs
The promotion campaign for the last two singles was impressive and widespread. As for the t.v. shows, it is because it was becoming such a wota only show that the shows were pulled. And lets just clearly state that Haromoni and Yorosen were handled by retards with no ideas and budgets of the high school band.
That being said, I think Tsunku pulling Musume off the weekly idol format is the right thing to do, Bijo Houdan well..say what you want about that, clearly trying to clean up public image a bit.
But ask yourself how much extra buying power is episode 515 of Idoling or Akbingo really going to get you in an extremely rough economy and tough idol competition.

Also
This my waifu

>>3416499

Which management are you babbling about?
You mean the one that just a year after their big break decided to make a few cheap bucks by setting up a camera in the ladies' bathroom stall, taping at least 15 minutes worth of the girls pissing and wiping their snatches and then going about circulating copies of it throughout the Japanese porn black market?

Oh man, those sure were a bunch of competent and conscious guys.

Too bad that back in the day they still held too much clout to make it happen, but I would've loved to see more of them being pinched by the police for possession and distribution of illegal pornography as well as pedophilia (As you may remember, even Tsuji and Kago were on that tape. Well, at least one ended up being a slut anyways, so who cares.).
Even more so, I would've loved to see Tsunku being thrown in jail on grounds of collusion.

>>3416547
can't see shit in the video btw

>>3416547
> possession and distribution of illegal pornography
Wasn't that guy fired immediately and are you implying this was an idea that came from Tsunku?!
>porn black market in Japan
Don't even want to picture what was on there back then

>>3416542

>The promotion campaign for the last two singles was impressive and widespread.

And trust me, compared to what other groups did by likewise using all the tricks in the group did fairly poor.

>But ask yourself how much extra buying power is episode 515 of Idoling or Akbingo

Funny thing is, they aren't supposed to be means of promotion but just extra fanservice. You have to be pretty naive to think that someone who watches or buys merchandise is no stranger to the group and isn't likely to buy their singles as well.
The litmus test is how many additional sales will a by-the-book promotion will bring and MM's brought next to none (including handshake events).

>>3416547
>my face when i saw this video.

>>3416621
You must be a dumb faggot

>>3416594

Are you so disingenuous to believe otherwise? He may have not plotted it, but as an overseer he was obviously aware of it and just winked at everything as long as he could get a share of the profits in return.

At the time he was already exploiting them for what they were worth, what harm would have it done to tap into the pornographic market?

>>3416542

>The promotion campaign for the last two singles was impressive and widespread.

And trust me, compared to what other groups did by likewise using all the tricks in the book they did fairly poor.

>But ask yourself how much extra buying power is episode 515 of Idoling or Akbingo

Funny thing is, they aren't supposed to be means of promotion but just extra fanservice. You have to be pretty naive to think that someone who watches or buys merchandise is a complete stranger to the group and isn't likely to buy their singles as well.
The litmus test is how many additional sales will a by-the-book promotion will bring and MM's brought next to none (including handshake events).

>>3416643
>MM's brought next to none (including handshake events).
Cool analysis...

>>3416655

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to compare numbers and drawing a parallel between rise in daily sales and what event they were holding on that day, honey.

>>3416655

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to compare numbers and draw parallels between rises in daily sales and what event they were holding on that day, honey.

In a way, I want to equate Morning Musume to Spice Girls. Everybody knows their name, everybody knows they're still alive but nobody wants to buy their stuff anymore.

>>3416643
>You have to be pretty naive to think that someone who watches or buys merchandise is a complete stranger to the group and isn't likely to buy their singles as well.
Of course I'm not that naive, Hello Morning had adverts all over the place. The point I was making is that by show 515 the show is almost certainly a insular audience and isn't drawing in new demographics. What Tsunku did with the recent promotion campaign was more sophisticated. And seeing the OG's pop up more often is a welcomed treat, no matter how much it pisses off some oldfags and rival idol fans. OG's are a commodity the other groups do not possess.

>>3416674
>wants to buy their stuff anymore.
They just had a reunion tour and from what I heard it sold out all over the place, pretty surprising.

>>3416684

Who cares about OG honestly? They are all a bunch of washouts that didn't really achieve anything outside of Morning Musume (you'd think that a fraction of their fans would still support them in their endeavors, guess H!P fans just crave for Tsunku's cock) and their intervention was uninfluential.
Constantly falling back on them just reveals the group's weaknesses and the total lack of merit or allure of the current lineup. Reminiscing about the past while failing to live up to it is a washout move of the highest degree.

>>3416684

Who cares about OG honestly? They are all a bunch of washouts that didn't really achieve anything outside of Morning Musume (you'd think that a fraction of their fans would still support them in their endeavors, guess H!P fans just crave for Tsunku's cock) and their intervention was uninfluential.
Constantly falling back on them just reveals the group's weaknesses and the total lack of merit or allure of the current lineup. Reminiscing about the past while repeatedly failing to live up to it is just a washout last-ditch move of the lowest degree, one which I have seen tons of times already.

>>3416684

Who cares about OG honestly? They are all a bunch of washouts that didn't really achieve anything outside of Morning Musume (you'd think that a fraction of their fans would still support them in their endeavors, guess H!P fans just crave for Tsunku's cock) and their intervention was uninfluential.
Constantly falling back on them just reveals the group's weaknesses and the total lack of merit or allure of the current lineup.
And reminiscing about the past while repeatedly failing to live up to it is just a washout last-ditch move of the lowest degree, one which I have seen tons of times already. It just helps making the drop in quality and popularity all the more evident.

Can we get a translation on this yet?

>>3416684

>What Tsunku did with the recent promotion campaign was more sophisticated.

Handshake events + Releasing 4 versions of the same single, each with different content (thus forcing fags to buy all 4) = Sophisticated marketing?

>>3416735
>Constantly falling back on them
Entire Elder Club is graduated last year, the last two singles being the first time in a while they were involved alongside Musume promoting their new singles.

And
I think its time you return to where you came from, its pretty clear your trollface is starting to come out more and more. I'm sure your idol group is doing something to merit your attention.

>>3416694
If you are refering to the Spice Girls then yes they did. The UK dates alone were sold out within minutes.

itt: faggots being faggots

I like this thread.

I must give it to him, Tsunku is a shrewd marketing strategist but he couldn't have succeeded at keep his group running on empty for so long without the a little help from his following and their stupidity.

What he did is in substance to build a sense of false confidence between the management and the fans.
Fans get worried that if they don't bleed themselves dry on the new single release Tsunku would keep making mediocre music.
But Tsunku knows that keeping them on pins and needles will panic them more and more and line his own pockets faster, so he just keeps doing his clever con trick.

It's the same reason people buy tons of MM bikini photobooks. They believe that the more they buy, the stronger a message they'll send to the management that they want more spotlight for her.
It never happens, it has never happened, but this doesn't stop them from stubbornly pursuing their delusions and helping Tsunku make money.

When you think about it, Morning Musume is seriously headed for a fate worse than death.

I must give it to him, Tsunku is a shrewd marketing strategist but he couldn't have succeeded at keep his group running on empty for so long without the a little help from his following and their stupidity.

What he did is in substance to build a sense of false confidence between the management and the fans.
Fans get worried that if they don't bleed themselves dry on the new single release Tsunku would keep making mediocre music.
But Tsunku knows that keeping them on pins and needles will panic them more and more and line his own pockets faster, so he just keeps doing his clever con trick.

It's the same reason people buy tons of MM bikini photobooks. They believe that the more they buy, the stronger a message they'll send to the management that they want more spotlight for a given member.
It never happens, it has never happened, but this doesn't stop them from stubbornly pursuing their delusions and just helping Tsunku make money.

When you think about it, Morning Musume is seriously headed for a fate worse than death.

I must give it to him, Tsunku is a shrewd marketing strategist but he couldn't have succeeded at keeping his group running on empty for so long without a little help from his following and their sheer stupidity.

What he did is in substance to build a sense of false confidence between the management and the fans.
Fans get worried that if they don't bleed themselves dry on the new single release Tsunku would keep making mediocre music.
But Tsunku knows that keeping them on pins and needles will panic them more and more and line his own pockets faster, so he just keeps doing his clever con trick.

It's the same reason people buy tons of MM bikini photobooks. They believe that the more they buy, the stronger a message they'll send to the management that they want more spotlight for a given member.
It never happens, it has never happened, but this doesn't stop them from stubbornly pursuing their delusions and just helping Tsunku make money.

When you think about it, Morning Musume is seriously headed for a fate worse than death.

I must give it to him, Tsunku is a shrewd marketing strategist but he couldn't have succeeded at keeping his group running on empty for so long without a little help from his following and their sheer stupidity.

What he did is in substance to build a sense of false confidence between the management and the fans.
Fans get worried that if they don't bleed themselves dry on the new single release Tsunku will keep making mediocre, under-produced music.
But Tsunku knows that keeping them on pins and needles will panic them more and more and line his own pockets faster, so he just keeps doing his clever con trick by churning out more mediocre, under-produced music.

It's the same reason people buy tons of MM bikini photobooks. They believe that the more they buy, the stronger a message they'll send to the management that they want more spotlight for a given member.
It never happens, it has never happened, but this doesn't stop them from stubbornly pursuing their delusions and just helping Tsunku make money.

When you think about it, Morning Musume is seriously headed for a fate worse than death.

>>3416778
Professional detection skills, bro.

>>3416759

>Entire Elder Club is graduated last year

So why they had to call them back just now of all times, pray tell?

>>3416813
>Morning Musume is seriously headed for a fate worse than death.
pffft lol, I have a feeling I will be seeing this post again in its entirety.

>>3416843

The management just doesn't give a shit about grooming them for better jobs, they just squeeze them for all they're worth for their sick profits and leave them twisting in the wind after they're done.

Just look at the sheer numbers of scandal queens and washouts they have churned out through the years. Even your fucking miracle member has crapped out to pursure a job as lowly as gravure modeling, as if all the years of her youth she wasted in that death trap had been worth nothing.

You overzealous fanatics are the worst.

>>3416870
>feminist argument
Listen you obviously have some deep seeded issues with the idol industry. /jp/ wotas did not create it, Japan and its machine like industry did. And if you think they are living such horrid lives after Musume, making television appearances, modeling, radio spots then you must have a really good fucking job.
Think of the common salaryman and think about the type of work he has to deal with. A fate worse than death...lol.

>>3416888

Only Hello!Project does this shit, bud.

>making television appearances, modeling, radio spots

I've yet to see one of them working any of these jobs as a matter of routine. So far the crowning achievement of a former MM has been to blog for a living, which doesn't require sitting your ass in a lame idol band for years in order to be attained.

I love old gen this muuuuucccchhh!!

>Only Hello!Project does this shit, bud.

>>3416953

Hello, you must be that greentextfaggot I've been hearing of.
Reported.

>>3416907
>>3416870
>>3416813

>>3416907
You know whats funny about the feminist argument with H!P is? Its the fact that you are actually arguing over when the girls are given more freedom in their lives...
I won't hear any of that used up and dry shit with H!P because they reward good behavior. Clean girls not fucking around, drugging, talking shit on the tabloids are not welcome. Of course this has ousted several members but they knew the consequences.
And to think of the typical image of Japanese fuck girls going to clubs, druggin, and acting like yankiis I just think you need to get the fuck out with your argument.

And life after Musume the best possible situation has always been to be solo singers like Abe, Johnson, Maki. And blogging for ex members just shows that people continue to support and care for their idols as their life goes on, something that is very healthy.
>I've yet to see one of them working any of these jobs as a matter of routine.
How bout Rika, Yossie, Yuko to a lesser degree.
And the last time I checked, Tsuji made 115k dollars last year and she hasn't done shit but get knocked up and blogged/talked about it. Get the fuck out.

>>3416907
>The management just doesn't give a shit about grooming them for better jobs, they just squeeze them for all they're worth for their sick profits and leave them twisting in the wind after they're done.
>Only Hello!Project does this shit, bud.

Hilarity.

>So far the crowning achievement of a former MM has been to blog for a living

More hilarities.

>>3416997

>I won't hear any of that used up and dry shit with H!P because they reward good behavior.

Good one, more like they don't care anymore whether their idols are debauched sluts or not so long as they bring them money.

>>3416997
>Rika
LOL
>Yossie
Indentured servant.
>Yuko
Who?

>>3417018
Ironic considering since the Miyabi scandals she's absolutely had no more photobooks and Berry-Z/Buono support has plummeted.
Scandals aren't good business for H!P.

>>3417031

Considering they get more publicity from rags such as Bubka and Friday than more appropriate magazines, they are doing them a favor.
Not that this has impacted sales in any way, of course. As previously stated they have become a private club for deranged wotas and stalkers: nobody enters, nobody leaves.

>>3417028
>Yuko...Who?

Well aren't we negative today.......

>>3416997

>blogging for ex members just shows that people continue to support and care for their idols

I'm getting tired of repeating things I've already said upthread, but if they really cared about their fucking idols the best they could have done would have been making the effort of supporting them through their endeavors. You know, by buying their shitty discs or something.
In reality, all H!P fans do is ensuring that Morning Musume will live on no matter how bad things are getting. Considering the only real constant in the whole equation is Tsunku, I can only gather that the only thing you have in your mind is his cock.

And don't even start listing Kaori as an example of solo career. She released a couple of singles, realized they sold like crap and threw up her hands in resignation.

>>3417053
The girls get reemed out for ending up in those magazines so its not promoted internally.
You wanna know what your problem is, its that when these are all dressed up like princesses and acting cutesy in real life men love it.
>they have become a private club for deranged wotas and stalkers
Look at the international fanbase and you'll be instantly corrected. Its a wide variety of people, and girls especially, because they wish to be the little girl.

>>3417119

You're giving this "international fanbase" way too much weight if you ask me, and as if it wasn't enough you are making it sound like it's an exclusive of Morning Musume, as if Johnny's, AKB, Idoling or any other group of weeaboo interest doesn't have one.
Get over yourself and make sure to realize that they never had a voice in anything, thus are uninfluential in sales and just detrimental for the public image of the group. Always.

>>3417119

You're giving this "international fanbase" way too much weight if you ask me, and as if it wasn't enough you are making it sound like it's an exclusive of Morning Musume, as if Johnny's, AKB, Idoling or any other group of weeaboo interest doesn't have one.
Get over yourself and make sure to realize that they never had a voice in anything, and as such are uninfluential in sales and just detrimental for the public image of the group. As always.

>>3417115


but I love Koari.

>>3417152
>too much weight
I'm disproving your slander with direct evidence. No one is talking about other groups here.
Again, deep seeded issues, go to Japan and picket outside of H!P demanding they get more creative control.
Watch as Tsunku pisses on you from his office.

>>3417157

The way she capitalized on her son's death to grasp for attention was the vilest thing a person could have done. You disgust me as much as her.

>>3417162

>I'm disproving your slander with direct evidence.

"Morning Musume's fanbase is a caged-in fandom that will never change throughout the years"
"No, it's not"

That's a very compelling argument, seriously.

What's all this stuff about morning musume going downhill? Their last two singles were doing pretty well I thought. This is actually an improvement over the previous two years.

(dont hate me but I didn't like any of their stuff since aruite iru in 2006. I was pleasantly surprised when they released yume oibito)

I'm not a hardcore fan so I dont follow this stuff but can anyone inform me about this?

>>3417197
Idol business = serious business

Don't worry about it anon, just appearances from almost all of our thread's trolls in one day.

>>3417197

>Their last two singles were doing pretty well I thought.

No, they haven't. Do you even take the time to compare them with competing groups or you just see they have sold 5,000 copies more and go "Wow, they're popular!"?
That's what the difference between being a conscientious fan and a slobbering wota simian boils down to.

is there any kind of surgery that can fix a gum problem like this? i mean, if she's getting time off, then she should do it

>>3417216
Well they reached #1 in some random chart for a week with yume oibito, that's the only reason I thought they were doing well. I actually dont know about their latest release.

>>3417207
I've seen people say they were going downhill in other threads but never payed attention because the threads are huge. I also saw something on wikipedia about morning musume leaving their "golden age" when yoshizawa left, which I thought was kind of true until recently.

>>3417216
>equating personal fanhood to singles sales
I see we have our first Arashi troll

>>3417251
you have amazing deductive prowess

>>3417251

Sup greentextfaggot, it's renowned that dyed-in-the-wool H!P fans would rater remain blind to what happens outside of their ever-unpopular group lest to have the wind knocked out of their sails.

So cute, I wonder if she'll clean the dishes afterwords too.

>>3416738
Translation please?

>>3417239
Aw I was actually curious. I looked up the statistic it's called the oricon chart. It ranks them based on sales. Looks like 50,000+ are sold within two weeks for most of their stuff. Their latest single hit #2 on that chart.

>>3417398
This feels like a kids troll

>>3417403
Not a troll. Serious. I'm actually a fan of morning musume.

>>3417398

And is 50,000 in two weeks a lot to you?

>>3417433
Where are you coming from if you don't mind me asking?

Question here. The jump in sales from SYO to NR was around 20k. Is it possible to get that much more just from handshakes and an additional version?

>>3417451

>20k
No, it was far less.
And the spikes in daily sales coincided exactly with the handshake events.

hitomi here

>>3417451
Well the new single is pretty good with Eri in the lead
so its definitely something different, we'll see if the four version thing will work out.

>>3417446
I have seen people on multiple occasions claiming that morning musume is going downhill. My question is for what reason(s) are people saying this?

I'm just too lazy to lurk I apologize but it seems like a lot of this thread has been talking about this already.

>>3417494
It all depends on what you are matching up against, if you are like oldfan and try to compare it to Love Machine, Renai Revolution then its not in the same category.
If you compare to other idol groups like many of the trolls are doing here, it doesn't matter what the sell your group is shit and all the fans are blind, etc...

But if you compare to the last 5 years, the new singles are doing very well and are on the climb.
But it seems like you have come from H!O and have no concept of anything so you should just return there.

HAPPY!

>>3416753
I prefer 'shotgun approach'

but hey it works, more power to them

>>3417028
Rika's (juicy) hot. Full stop

Indentured servant yes, but she's one of the good ones

>>3417494
it's the OHNOEZ LATEST SINGLE DID NOT SELL ONE MEEEEEELEEEEEEON COPIES COREAN CHINESE PIG DISGUSTING argument

aka nothing in particular

>>3417520
dat Abe

>>3417541

So if you are content with your singles scraping by with 50,000 copies or so, how come you get hilariously pissed off when you notice someone has outsold you at your own game?
Doesn't it defeat your argument of accepting things as they come?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYJFIT7Fum0

Wow, she looks horribly depressed here compared to normal Koharu.

>>3417583
maybe they get pissed because you keep bringing it up

max images reached wotas!no more mari!

>>3417593
Don't try to invoke sadness for Koharu.
I wonder if she will even shed a tear at her graduation. or me ;__;

>>3417514
Makes sense I guess. Do you guys not like H!O for some reason? (not a 4chan gaijin I just dont lurk /jp/ hardly at all)

koharu was lame!!!!!!

>>3417593

50 bucks say she's going to kill herself before her first gravure photoshoot.

>>3417610
I think we can have a nice conversation
and consider all the allegations and emotions from today's thread

100 bucks shes sings in malls around japan

>>3417609

They always do that themselves, actually. Hypocrisy at its finest.

LIN LIN IS THE BEST MOMUSU NOW!!!!PANDA ASS!!

>>3417614
>Do you guys not like H!O for some reason?
It spawns uneducated fans completely unaware of most of things involved with Musume.
Instead creating fanboys and fangirls who say kawaii and type like cell phone messages in every post.
Not all of H!O is shit however, several of the mods and translators are well aware of the bulk of H!O faggotry.
>Something called the Oricon....

>>3417635
faggot wingates detected

>>3417636

In my defence I admitted to being a "casual" fan. I was just a little curious.

>>3417654
Not a problem, just telling how some feel around here about H!O. That is a fine place for a casual fan

yaguchi,iida,nakazawa,abe,kei wll always be the best!

what the fuck is wingates and why is it a spoiler?

Well seeing how its Maki's birthday on the 23rd, how bout a Maki OP?
I'm sure oldfan would have a very good picture of her.

>>3417583
I don't care about the numbers, so what if B'z/TMR/Ayumi/BoA/Orange Range/whatever rack up 60K, so what if they can do it in their sleep

rly so what?

>>3417609
this

>>3417614
read >>3417636
the trackers & picboard == awesome, but the forums, facepalm & raaaaaage all in one.

>>3417688
he's just a general dickhead, swimming in the same cesspool that breeds bigmacanon and some of the oldfags

I've learned to hold my nose and ignore

I would post an image if not for the imagelimit

erh whos oldfan?

Next thread here
>>3417827
Maki thread!