Will ZUN ever create a touhou more powerful and omnipotent than Yukari? Pic related. Yukari can get 9-tailed foxes to give her oral. That's pretty fuckin' omnipotent.

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Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:47:36 2009 No.3372455 [Reply] [Original]

Will ZUN ever create a touhou more powerful and omnipotent than Yukari?

Pic related. Yukari can get 9-tailed foxes to give her oral. That's pretty fuckin' omnipotent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:48:36 2009 No.3372465 >more ... omnipotent Learn English before posting on English imageboards.

>>	Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Suigin Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ !YUsuiginy. Mon Sep 14 21:50:36 2009 No.3372476 will ZUN ever create a touhou more immortal than Kaguya?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:51:36 2009 No.3372482 >>3372476 Mokou is the Phoenix, so even if you managed to kill her beyond her immortality, she will revive in a blaze of ashes as immortal as ever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:51:36 2009 No.3372485 >>3372465 In b4 discussion about omnipotence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:52:36 2009 No.3372489 Wait wait... ok Could zun create a beer even he wouldn't drink?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:52:36 2009 No.3372491 >>3372482 Please don't start a shitstorm about Immortality and it's nature, /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:52:36 2009 No.3372493 >>3372465 My god's more omnipotent than your god!

>>	(☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ BOOF ☜(ﾟヮﾟ☜) !AWEsomEEEE!!g4pQz5RFuPl Mon Sep 14 21:53:36 2009 No.3372500 File: 301 KB, 500x680, 7a5f9a32d8531f579e2ddfbc900d4da0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Will zun ever make a touhou more badass then yuugi?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:55:36 2009 No.3372507 Power Levels thread.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:55:36 2009 No.3372508

>>3372482
>>3372476
>>3372491
Destroy the universe by removing all atoms and energy. Immortals are dead. That's the end of that.

>>3372455
Yukari cannot even stop time and is scared of a few oni getting mad if she goes underground.

>>3372489
Any beer zun created would taste infinitely better when made by others.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:56:36 2009 No.3372515 File: 28 KB, 424x358, 1228072688736.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3372493 Yog-Sothoth can basically be described as "Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient in the uppermost definition of all these words in every universe ever."

>>	None !WEEABooXS6 Mon Sep 14 21:56:36 2009 No.3372520 File: 80 KB, 192x261, angry_cloud.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3372500

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:58:36 2009 No.3372529 >>3372508 No, the spirits of immortals are eternal. That's why it works the way it does. Remove all matter and energy from the universe, and you only remove their ability to manifest in it, not their existence.

>>	(☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ BOOF ☜(ﾟヮﾟ☜) !AWEsomEEEE!!g4pQz5RFuPl Mon Sep 14 21:59:36 2009 No.3372534 >>3372520 fuck.

>>	Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Suigin Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ !YUsuiginy. Mon Sep 14 21:59:36 2009 No.3372538 >>3372482 but shes not more immortal than kaguya kaguya is pretty damn immortal if you ask me

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:00:36 2009 No.3372539
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>>3372508

>Destroy the universe by removing all atoms and energy. Immortals are dead. That's the end of that.

Learn2/Hourai Elixir.

Their bodies come back due to eternity rewinding time to before the damage ever happened.

Now they're in an unfortunate cycle of respawning and dying, but they'll still be there.

And no, don't say that by destroying all means to measure dimensions that dimensions suddenly don't exist. Even if every particle in the universe ceased to be, you can't say "LEFT" will cease to be. Just there is no way to determine "LEFT".

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:01:36 2009 No.3372542 >>3372529 Goddamn it /jp/. See http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/2831247#p2834037 As an example of what happened last time.

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Mon Sep 14 22:03:36 2009 No.3372555 >>3372539 You just need to use a conceptual weapon as they can prevent this rewinding from taking place. Black Barrel could take them down.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:04:36 2009 No.3372561 >>3372515 He is also a retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:04:36 2009 No.3372563 File: 35 KB, 784x450, japanesefoxinheat.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Will ZUN ever create a touhou more foxy than Ran?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:04:36 2009 No.3372566 >>3372555 Not if every regular human was dead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:05:36 2009 No.3372570 >>3372555 >>3372566 Stop that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:05:36 2009 No.3372573 >>3372555 Black Barrel is specifically designed to kill something that has no "death door". Technically, Kaguya and Mokou have "death doors", it's just that whenever they walk through them, the Hourai Elixir rips them back out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:05:36 2009 No.3372574 >>3372542 how does that contradict what >>3372529 said again?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:05:36 2009 No.3372576 Mods, delete this thread PLEASE!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:06:36 2009 No.3372580 >>3372576 You can delete this thread, but you won't crush Mokou immortal spirit!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:08:36 2009 No.3372588 File: 99 KB, 450x600, 1245402168781.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Will zun ever make a touhou more sluttier than sanae?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:09:36 2009 No.3372610 >>3372561 that's Azathoth

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:10:36 2009 No.3372615 >>3372588 Could God make a burrito so hot even he could not eat it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:10:36 2009 No.3372617 File: 95 KB, 592x680, Aya is erotic.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3372588

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:12:36 2009 No.3372638 >>3372573 Stick caliburn in them, kill them infinite times.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:13:36 2009 No.3372641 >>3372573 They are pretty much like Ciel. The real question is, could Shiki kill Ciel without killing the Roa first?

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Mon Sep 14 22:15:36 2009 No.3372656 >>3372641 He does that in one of the bad ends.

>>	(☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ BOOF ☜(ﾟヮﾟ☜) !AWEsomEEEE!!g4pQz5RFuPl Mon Sep 14 22:17:36 2009 No.3372670 >>3372617 just noticed the dick.

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Mon Sep 14 22:18:36 2009 No.3372677 >>3372573 OK. Then use the Seventh Holy Scripture. It's designed specifically to prevent reincarnation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:18:36 2009 No.3372681 File: 2.67 MB, 1536x1750, 1248751242569.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3372617 YOU DAMN SLUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:19:36 2009 No.3372683 >>3372615 Yes, then he would eat it. Trust me, this makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:19:36 2009 No.3372688 >>3372656 Well, the only bad end like that I remember was, when they both kill each other at the same time. Nothing where he kills her without dying.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:20:36 2009 No.3372693 >>3372670 looks more like a belt buckle to me

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:21:36 2009 No.3372698 File: 265 KB, 500x500, 7dbac8018e178aa2d162c2e173965ced.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3372677 I doubt a holy scripture (even fired like a cannon) will overpower the entire might of Eternity which drives their reincarnation.

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Mon Sep 14 22:21:36 2009 No.3372699 >>3372688 The ending where he stabs her and then goes on to be come the killer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:23:36 2009 No.3372712 File: 37 KB, 334x338, 1249496655262.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3372617 >Aya is erotic

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:27:36 2009 No.3372741 >>3372539 Funny because that's precisely how Nasu's vampires work. They don't heal fast, just time rewinds locally every time they take damage. If that's true, the Church's conceptual weaponry will hurt like fuck if not outright kill them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:29:36 2009 No.3372757 >>3372741 That is not how Nasu vampires work. That is how Ciel works, and it's not the same.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:31:36 2009 No.3372764 >>3372741 The difference is that they use their personal power to reverse time (draining them), while Kaguya and Mokou have it as a passive, uncontrollable effect.

None !Nipaa0mi0. Mon Sep 14 22:31:36 2009 No.3372768

>>3372757
Wrong.

"Though normal physical weapons such as guns are able to inflict damage on them, their unnatural speed capable of dodging bullets, and their regenerative powers which do not simply “heal”, but cause their bodies to turn their time backwards to a point in which they where unharmed, render most traditional weaponry useless. Those charged with their elimination, such as the Church Executioners, normally employ supernatural artifacts in their hunts."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nrvnqsr_Chaos

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:33:36 2009 No.3372775 >>3372768 >Wikipedia

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:33:36 2009 No.3372776 >>3372757 >That is not how Nasu vampires work. Boy, you sure missed a lot. The only difference between Ciel and Vampires are their limits.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:34:36 2009 No.3372778

>>3372757
Yes, it is how Nasu vampires work. Ciel got something similar due to Roa, but it isn't the same because it's a fuckup by the World, which thinks they're the same person and keeps reviving Ciel to prevent a paradox.

Vampires just have time reversed around whichever part gets damaged through trademark unexplained Nasu mumbo jumbo.

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Mon Sep 14 22:37:36 2009 No.3372794 >>3372778 Despite that Shiki can still permanently kill her. Therefore Shiki can kill Hourai elixir users.

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Mon Sep 14 22:37:36 2009 No.3372799 >>3372775 Have you got a source to support your own statement?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:38:36 2009 No.3372802 Shiki can kill time.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:39:36 2009 No.3372804

>>3372794

I refuse to accept it.

By nature of the Hourai Elixir of holding them in an instant, they don't have an end, so they cannot be seen by the Eyes.

Likewise something without and end cannot have a beginning, so Ryougi can't see them either.

I WON'T HAVE IT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:39:36 2009 No.3372809 >>3372799 I'm not >>3372757 and I'm not disagreeing with you but still, >Wikipedia

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:40:36 2009 No.3372818 >>3372804 >Likewise something without and end cannot have a beginning They did have beginning, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:42:36 2009 No.3372826 >>3372804 Shiki can just kill the elixir. If you say the elixir is indestructible, that means it cannot be digested and absorbed, and so it can be drawn out of them, removing the immortality.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:43:36 2009 No.3372835 >>3372818 And it was eradicated upon the drinking of the Elixir. >>3372826 The Elixir doesn't have an end, either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:45:36 2009 No.3372839 >>3372835 >And it was eradicated upon the drinking of the Elixir. No it wasn't. You are going way to far.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:46:36 2009 No.3372846 >>3372835 Then see the second thing. If it has no end, it can never truly become a part of their body. It can thusly be removed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:47:36 2009 No.3372851 File: 459 KB, 600x600, 1251093184396.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3372839 I'll go however the fuck far I need. Kaguya and Mokou can't die, dammit ;_;

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:47:36 2009 No.3372853 why are the worst power levels fags all in /jp/? yeah I know, type moon faggotry

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:48:36 2009 No.3372857 >>3372853 This is the thread about Touhou though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:49:36 2009 No.3372862 >>3372846 No, it becomes a part of their body, making their body endless as well. So you're accurate to say the Hourai Elixir is still within them (apparently in the liver), but you can't remove it because it "rewinds" back into them.

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Mon Sep 14 22:51:36 2009 No.3372875 >>3372804 If they're stuck in an instant the Black Barrel can impose an end to their existence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:51:36 2009 No.3372881 Shiki can kill rewinding.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:53:36 2009 No.3372896

>>3372875

No, because Black Barrel is designed to kill something that cannot die. It's not that they cannot die, it's just that when they do, they rewind to where they didn't die.

>>3372881

Just LOOKING at time in such a fashion would make his head pop.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Mon Sep 14 22:57:36 2009 No.3372917

>>3372896
Actually, I would assume that Black Barrel would "kill" them in such a way that they cannot be rewound. As in their very existence was nullified. Sort of how Ciel would normally be "rewound" by the world, but when Shiki kills her, nothing can undo the fact that her very conceptual existence was broken, even the world itself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:00:36 2009 No.3372925 >>3372862 >but you can't remove it because it "rewinds" back into them. This is not possible or else it would rewind back into it's bottle.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:00:36 2009 No.3372927 >>3372896 Kill head popping first. Problem solved.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:01:36 2009 No.3372929

>>3372917

That was Shiki "killing" her. Black Barrel isn't the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception in gun format. It's an anti-undying weapon, presumably designed to kill Aristoteles (or at least that's what it's used for when we see it), things with no concept of death. It's openly said to work by ENFORCING the concept of death upon it, creating it where it was not.

I see a method, though. Combination.

Shoot Kaguya with Black Barrel, she now has the concept of death imposed upon her, and therefore has lines. Shiki could THEN kill her to actualize the imposed death.

But I say Black Barrel or Shiki alone could not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:01:36 2009 No.3372930 >>3372896 Shiki can kill his remaining ignorance of the true nature of death and time paradoxes, he just chooses not to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:03:36 2009 No.3372936 >>3372925 It's kept in a really special bottle ┐('～`；)┌ >>3372927 >>3372930 His head pops before he can. Can't kill the concept of his head popping because it would pop his head.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Mon Sep 14 23:05:36 2009 No.3372939

>>3372929
I thought we concluded that Hourai Elixir removes the flaw that a concept has, meaning it will never disintegrate. Eternal life is just a byproduct of a conceptually immortal existence, ever regenerating back to an eternal state.

So, Black Barrel embeds the flaw again, giving a defined conceptual termination. Overcome the regenerative factor and obliterate them.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:09:36 2009 No.3372961

>>3372939

I thought it was believed that the modum operandi of the Hourai Elixir was to drag an Instant to Eternity (which is Kaguya's power [Eirin needed Kaguya to make the damn thing]). Dragging the instant they drank the Elixir to Eternity. Therefore any change in the instant will be reversed. It wouldn't be a healing medicine (a man on the brink of death who drinks it would just be eternally on the brink of death), just a "permasave".

Well, it's all fanon to me.

MY GENSOKYO > YOUR GENSOKYO, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:12:36 2009 No.3372966 How did we go from Ran blowjobs to stupid "SHIKI CAN KILL KAGUYAS"

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Mon Sep 14 23:12:36 2009 No.3372967 >>3372961 A conceptual existence without impurity... impose an impurity, and you break the eternal moment. I guess. I don't like discussions that span two completely different fictional universes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:15:36 2009 No.3372986 >>3372966 SHIKI CAN KILL QUESTIONS

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:16:36 2009 No.3372988 >>3372967 So you're saying I should rape her. Okay.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:17:36 2009 No.3372993

Black Barrel probably would work, but nothing else would.

When one takes the Hourai elixir, they will outlive the world from which they originated. The entire universe could undergo complete entropy, and Mokou and Kaguya will still be there.

This makes them not unlike the TYPEs.
Black Barrel works on the TYPEs.

QED.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:21:36 2009 No.3373014 Eventually kaguya or mokou will get bored and begin grinding up their livers and sticking it in people's food.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:22:36 2009 No.3373022 explain why passing into a black hole event horizon and being crushed into an inescapable singularity wouldn't kill them

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:22:36 2009 No.3373024 >>3373014 Wouldn't work. The liver has to be eaten raw.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:26:36 2009 No.3373043 >>3373022 They would automatically respawn elsewhere. It would 'kill' that body, but it wouldn't mean shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:28:36 2009 No.3373059 Black Barrel only affects things with high concentrations of ether/gin/grain/whatever you want to call it. Unless you can prove that Mokou's and Kaguya's bodies contain it, black barrel is just another shitty gun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:33:36 2009 No.3373085 >>3373024 They'll end up just shoving it down peoples throats then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:33:36 2009 No.3373089 >>3373059 And before anyone goes "lol magic = gin/grain/ether/", remember from Angel Notes that gin/grain/ether is a substance generated from when Earth DIED, something which has not happened in Touhou.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:34:36 2009 No.3373099 >>3373089 Gap-related time paradox. Yukari is fooling around again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:41:36 2009 No.3373143 File: 147 KB, 683x700, 1232974858636.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Get Urd to kill them.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:47:36 2009 No.3373164

>>3373059

No no no no no.

Black Barrel is only STRONGER than a normal gun to something with a high amount of Gin, due to what Black Barrel is MADE of.

The imposition of natural death is just Black Barrel's facet as a Conceptual Weapon, and is used on whatever the hell it shoots.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:49:36 2009 No.3373168 File: 58 KB, 500x500, 2491748.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3373143 At least get someone better than that.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:56:36 2009 No.3373204
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>>3373164

>Black Barrel is only STRONGER than a normal gun to something with a high amount of Gin, due to what Black Barrel is MADE of.

I agree

>The imposition of natural death is just Black Barrel's facet as a Conceptual Weapon, and is used on whatever the hell it shoots.

Really? Source material says nothing of that nature. Black Barrel is just a gun forged from a mineral that rejects Gin, nothing more.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:58:36 2009 No.3373215

>>3373204

>In other works, Black Barrel is described as a "Conceptual Weapon of natural life-span", capable of imposing the notion of limited life-span into the body of near-immortal creatures.

See Black Barrel Replica and Conceptual Weapon Longinus for other facts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:58:36 2009 No.3373219 File: 59 KB, 960x540, urd_tvdvd2_04.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3373168

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:58:36 2009 No.3373220 Keine, she has powers that put on par with Yukari.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:01:36 2009 No.3373233 >>3373220 Keine cannot change whatever has been written down. Fucking Akyu is stronger than her.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:02:36 2009 No.3373241 >>3373215 In other works [citation needed]

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:03:36 2009 No.3373245 File: 471 KB, 620x620, 1251046334522.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3373219 She's still too green.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:05:36 2009 No.3373259 >>3373241 Melty Blood -> Barrel Replica. Side Material -> Conceptual Weapons.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:07:36 2009 No.3373267 >>3373259 Has the side material been translated?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:09:36 2009 No.3373284 >>3373267 Beyond what's on the wiki I mean.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:15:36 2009 No.3373323 >>3373284 You ask the impossible. Nasu-speak cannot be translated, only approximated.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:20:36 2009 No.3373334 >>3373323 Then is there a site/download that has approximations of the side materials by page besides the wiki? If not, is there a way to restrict my search on the wiki to things tagged by Fate/Side Material?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:21:36 2009 No.3373344 >>3373334 If I knew, I'd tell you. Actually, I'd like to know how to do that stuff myself.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:31:36 2009 No.3373378

>>3373344

Well, this conversation has hit a standstill then. While I cannot refute that Black Barrel is a Conceptual Weapon (and it would probably be fruitless to continue even if I understood japanese), I still don't think it would be enough to stop Mokou and Kaguya, at best put them in a sleep-like state that TYPE-VENUS is in during Notes.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:32:36 2009 No.3373385

>>3373378

Type-Venus is just lazing around.

She even said she could get up and get out of Type-Saturn's way, just that it would shatter her wings (her body was TREMENDOUSLY damaged by Black Barrel's other property) causing billions of Venusian angels to rain down upon the earth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:53:36 2009 No.3373468 File: 200 KB, 1012x1532, 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can't kill this

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:55:36 2009 No.3373475 >>3373468 Time travel, kill him before he got Requiem DEMONBANE KEKEKE

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:19:36 2009 No.3373552 >Time-Travel >No-Matter-What-Ability? Owned.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:22:36 2009 No.3373559 File: 68 KB, 400x466, galactus_feeds.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3373552 He existed before the universe began, destined to destroy all. No amount of time skipping can stop Galactus.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:23:36 2009 No.3373565 >>3373559 Way to rip off Azathoth, Galactus.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 03:34:36 2009 No.3374078 >>3373565 Galactus came before all immortals.

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