/jp/ - Otaku Culture

tl;dr

No language can be taught. You acquire it by yourself.

No retard learning Japanese is hard because it actually requires study. It’s not easy like your native language or English so u have to actually put in 3 hours of study daily or you’ll never get out of the beginner phase. Nigger lol

if you are too dumb to figure this inane beginner shit out of yourself then you are probably too low iq to learn japanese anyway

ok EOP

ngmi

>Learning japanese is only hard because of the people who teach you
I'm not your teacher. I'm just a guy posting in an American anime imageboard. I don't even have a name.
>Neither of them actually help others to learn japanese, the max they'll do is throw a website with a "guide" that barely helps you
Again, I'm not your teacher. Take a class or buy a textbook, or use the guide we recommend. Or you know, don't do any of that and don't learn Japanese.
>"ok how many at a time? should I do it 100 or 1000 times before adding more? when can I go to katakana? when can I read Tae Kim's guide? when do I start Anki? how?"
You have to be 18+ to post on 4chan. We can't tell you how much to learn and when, you need to study at your own pace. What if you're a NEET and you have 10+ hours for studying Japanese every day? What if you're employed full time and can only study 30 minutes? We don't know that. Also, Tae Kim is for absolute beginners, read it now, and he links resources for learning Katakana and Anki.
>And these people don't even contribute to the otaku community by translating stuff,
Are you referring to fan translated manga and anime? Isn't that illegal?
>they just watch vtubers/read 2chan all day
yes
>this is why only normalfags who pay 8000 dollars for a japanese course are learning japanese lately, japan will be filled with braindead westerners and it's your fault for being a sad troll
I don't follow your logic here. Why are normalfags "braindead"? Isn't it a good thing (for the economy, birth rate etc) if Japan gets filled with normalfags, rather than creepy otaku weirdos? I don't understand.

>>33636696
I'm sorry it's like this for you anon. I was forced to learn 3 languages growing up and luckily one of them is chinese so I can grasp kanji much more easily, but it still takes effort to get it down pat.

On the other hand because of vtubers I gained the desperation to learn it from scratch through djt, duolingo and just really focusing on streams and using google translate to mime words they utter that I do not know and it works. Progress is fast, and only as fast as how desperate you are to learn the language then you won't care about the people who thumb their nose at you.

it's 2021, you have all the knowledge of humanity in the palms of your hand. one hundred years ago, you wouldnt have been able to study japanese without literally flying to japan. and yet here you are, whining and bitching because people arent holding your hands like youre a little child in 1st grade.

>>33636696
>Neither of them actually help others to learn japanese, the max they'll do is throw a website with a "guide" that barely helps you
well, what are they supposed to do? no one else can shove the language into your brain for you

>>33637274
Who is your Oshi

>>33637788
Artia

>>33636696
>when localizing anime/manga the wrong way

How?

>>33636696
It's your fault for going to the threads.
The guide has literally all the steps you need. It may seem hard at first, but you'll be surprised at how much you'll learn in 6 months.
Start reading/listening to native stuff as soon as you can. Learning can be boring, but it doesn't have to, so remember to have fun.
Also, studying EVERY DAY is of paramount importance.

>these people don't even contribute to the otaku community by translating stuff
I always try to translate pictures here on /jp/ when someone asks.

>this is why only normalfags who pay 8000 dollars for a japanese course are learning japanese lately
Most people who pay for courses only study while in those courses. I doubt that the ONLY people learning Japanese are the ones studying 4 hours a week.

>>33636822
>3 hours of study daily
Burgers actually believe it, elmao.

>>33639009
How many do you propose?

>>33639059
study japanese full time, ie 8 hours

>>33639133
And for those of us who aren't NEETs?

>>33639206
you sleep 6 hours and work 8 hours, that leaves you with 10 hours of free time every day. you have 2 hours for things like grocery shopping or hanging out with friends, and 8 hours for studying japanese. dont be lazy

>>33639059
Expecting you have some kind of base in japanese
Depends on what you call studying. If it's immersion i.e. stuff you enjoy in japanese like listeting to chuubas, the more the better.
But if it is farming Anki deck and trying to memorise kanji without practical context, i will be suprised if you will not be burned out in a week.

>>33639322
>you sleep 6 hours
Right now I'm on 8, always have been. Maybe I should try to cut down an hour at least.
I guess there might be more time in a day if you think about it.

>>33639550
Even better, adapt uberman sleeping schedule and spend all that free time on studying kanji to impress that thirsty bitches at the bar

I have grown up with 3 different languages and japanese is about to be my 5th, learning by the book

yes i am doing this for the sole purpose of getting memes from 2chan and reading untranslated doujinshi

fuck vtubers and fuck simps btw

>>33640279
>fuck vtubers
i wish

>>33637788
>>33637892
Understanding chinese just made it easier to find out all the sins of Judas and friends anon(s). I like nijis and holos and they made learning japanese a lot easier since I can pick up alot of conversational terms and keeps me motivated to do my reps everyday.

>>33640279
>fuck vtubers
I wish
>fuck simps
only the cute ones

>>33636696
>Learn basics of grammar/kana from a Google search
>Vocab with Drops app (daily practice)
>Kanji with Kanji Study app (daily practice)
>Watch Japanese media without subs (as vocab and hours increase, you'll begin to pick up/understant more)
>Read Japanese media (with furigana at first) (as vocab and hours increase, you'll begin to pick up/understand more)
That's it. That's all there it. No amount of hints/tips/secrets are going to change how you have to grind, much of which means watching shows and not understanding things at first.

You cannot and will not improve with subs.

>>33636696
>It's amazing how 99% of the people that learn japanese as a second language are insufferable
Serious learners generally avoid communities and simply stick to their study material. The same situation is present for the communities of all learned skills. /ic/ is complete trash too, for example.

>>33640671
I prefer the "easy mode" version.

>>33639377
>i will be suprised if you will not be burned out in a week.
I've been doing it for 4 months

could've just learned the language instead of posting here

>>33641314
implying I had time prior to 2020, which also happened to be a busy year for me

>>33640671
What about japanese only subs (kanji)?

>>33636696
I sympathize with you because aside from the guide /djt/ is a useless, cancerous tumor but if you can't even learn kana without major hand holding you really aren't going to make it.

>>33636696
Spending more than an hour learning how to learn Japanese is a waste of time. If you spend ten hours researching methods, they'll never amount to what you could have learned in nine hours of study. Memorize the characters, memorize vocabulary, memorize grammar. Practice reading, practice writing, practicing listening, practice speaking. It's that simple.

>>33638083
Inserting sjw politics where they don't belong.

Why don't Japanese teach us? Why are they so secretive?

>>33636696
just do wanikani it will hold your hand and let you get through the first year without needing to use your own brain

>>33650837
Because we are also difficult to understand another language like English as well as you can't understand Japanese. We are not so secretive!
We want to be helpful for people who want to learn Japanese but we are lacking the ability to teach them Japanese in the first place.

>>33636696
japan needs to get rid of kanji. Japanese would be easy as fuck if it wasn't for kanji. Japan's population is shrinking very quickly and simplifying their language would encourage immigration

>>33654192
When you actually start learning Japanese, you'll understand why kanji exists. You'll also see that kanji isn't all that hard.

>>33654192
dekinai detected. try to read long passages of just hiragana/katakana and then you'll get it

>>33654192
>and simplifying their language would encourage immigration
Seems like a good reason to keep things as is.

>>33645510
That works if you can actually find it.

>>33644010
成功しません。 You can literally study on your phone for a few minutes a day.

>>33654192
English needs to get rid of 90% of it's vocabulary. English would be easy as fuck if it wasn't for all the French, German, Latin and Norse duplicates. Americans are physically expanding too much to work (very quickly) and simplifying their language would encourage immigration

>>33654192
>Japanese would be easy as fuck if it wasn't for kanji.
Nah, kanji is relatively easy, for me the big problem is the limited number of unique sounds. I think most people who hit the intermediate level stick to reading or give up entirely because of all the homophones in Japanese, and how similar sounding everything is.

>>33655529
I'm just learning the meanings of the Kanji instead of sounds because it's a lot faster to learn. Is it something that I can pick up later or is this going to cripple my understanding?

>>33655529
>the big problem is the limited number of unique sounds
I don't mind that very much, since you can figure out what the word means based on the context.
Although not the most difficult, the one thing that drives me mad in Japanese is how some words can be written in a bunch of different ways using different kanji.
I know the meaning and pronunciation of the word, but because I haven't seen it written that particular way before, I can't figure out what it says.
叡智, 叡知, 英智, 睿智 and 英知 are all the same goddamn word.

I gave up on the hope of ever being able to read small font/low resolution/handwritten kanji. It's not a matter of "lmao just keep on practicing faggot", no matter how much I look at some of them, they will still be unintelligible bunch of pixels/shades. And since this is the type of kanji represented in about 90% of real-life scenarios, there's no use to carry on.

>>33656772
just learn chinese to understand the difference, easy

>>33658539
ok I'll be back after I learn chinese

>>33636696
>Learning japanese is only hard because of the people who teach you
That can be applied to literally anything.
Learning on your own is really up to your dedication to the subject.

>>33656772
>叡智, 叡知, 英智, 睿智 and 英知 are all the same goddamn word.
>叡智
>叡知
>睿智
Basically the same apart from one radical.
>英智
>英知
Honestly shouldn't be too difficult if you know the readings for 英 and 知, and 智 is the same reading as 知, and the meaning isn't too far off either.

>>33667383
Is there an easy way to tell if a kanji is using the on or kun reading or is it just guesswork?

>>33670901
Guesswork + drilling in anki/wanikani.

>>33655684
There's no such thing as "crippling" yourself, it's an absurd concept invented by the mouthbreathers in /djt/. You don't have to learn kanji readings right away but it is very helpful to learn onyomi, especially later on with kanji compounds. After a while you will be able to easily remember onyomi just from the shape/pattern of a kanji. Kunyomi is a different animal and can only really be acquired through vocab.

If you are doing rote kanji study using keywords, then just start writing (one of) the onyomi alongside the kanji. Eventually you will start to see patterns.

>>33670901
You basically have to know the word to begin with. The only hard and fast rule with regards to kanji reading that I'm aware of is that okurigana always signifies a kunyomi reading (which is borderline self explanatory) but a lack of okurigana indicates nothing, it can still be either.

>>33636822
>3 hours of daily study
dude literally just start new material when you want to or have the time. If you truly want to learn, you will. Just don't act like a helpless faggot, stick with it and put the work in.