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so fukken grim and dark XD

Natsuhi is moe

The POINT of even the moe-moe scenes is that even beneath is there is tragedy.

if you dont give a fuck what others said, it would still be grim dark shit, dumbass

They do the same shit with elfen lied. Fucking pisses me off. And then noobs go around saying it's shit because they think it's moe or something. Fucking stupid

u mad?

It's a self defense mechanism, some of the deaths were bad, really bad and so people make it cuter and more palatable to deal with it. Look at Rosa's last stand, in reality she was torn to pieces with her child in her arms but fan art makes it cute.

I'll pussify you

Cool
Story
Bro

>this deliciously dark tale?
Fuck off, grimdark faggot.

I hate faggots who feel everything has to be goth and emo in order to be cool.

>>3357647
Whats wrong with enjoying dark stories, moron? Go back to your saccharine bullshit while I'll enjoy something that doesn't give me diabetes or make me look like a 14 year old girl.

>>3357665
Like wise I hate idiots who think anything that isn't flowery and pink is goth and emo.

>>3357668
>or make me look like a 14 year old girl.
Seconding this. It's not really "little" and just "the girl" if it's 14. 10 would probably be ideal if you never aged, but I suppose a range of 8-12 would be good.

GRIMDARK

>>3357598
BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SEEING THINGS WITH LOVE AND BEATRICE REALLY LOVES BATTLER AND THEY LOVE EACH OTHER SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH THAT SOMEHOW THEY WILL STOP THE KILLER TOGETHER AND THEY WILL GO HAVE BABIES AND THE REST OF THE FAMILY WILL LEARN THAT THEY WERE WRONG AND GO BACK HOME AND LOVE EVERYONE THERE ^_^

>>3357668

>>3357682
Go back to bed, Ryukishi.

>>3357682

GRIM

DARK

>>3357692
What a presumptuous twat. I don't want lucky star in my psychological thriller and that makes me emo?

Spoilers: Only idiots even use that term

You know what would make Umineko even better? SPACE MARINES. And have the witches servants of Chaos. In Episode 7 a commissar comes to force the family into cooperating as a team in order to kill the heretics.

I love how Anon will try to pretend that a series with BDSM, gore, violence, and drama in disproportionately large amounts, is actually a happy fun time family romp with out-of-context quotes or screencaps.

moe~

Kawaii~

>>3357719
I love how some people think it apparently has to be one or the other.

Look at episode 4. HORRIBLE BLOODY MASSACRE one minute, 45'S IME IS BROKEN KYU KYU KYU the next.

>>3357709
But it's not a psychological thriller, it's a romance story.

>>I love how Anon will try to pretend that a series with love, romance, comedy, and family in disproportionately large amounts, is actually a dark gothic edgy emo story with out-of-context quotes or screencaps.

>>3357726
>>3357734
Get out of my grimdark thread, moefag.

>>3357751

Honestly, I think "YOU NEED TO LOVE AND TRUST YOUR FAMILY~" is probably going to end up being the moral of Umineko.

Look at Higurashi with its "YOU CAN OVERCOME ANYTHING WITH THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP!"

YAHOOO BATTLEEEEERRR

>>3357751
Are you a retard? You think that a couple comedy scenes out the repeated murders?

>>3357748
>>Romance story
[Citation Needed]

I hate it when a story has equal amounts of two different elements and two opposing sides try to make out that it's about one of the elements in particular, not the other

You know what I hate? I hate higurashi faggots that pussify and add moe to the story. It's grim and dark and deals with insanity, lust, inhumane torture and cruelty to the highest level. It shows the true ugliness of humans (in this case villagers) when they've got their backs against the wall and everything to lose. Why add sunshine and NIPAH to this deliciously dark tale?

>>3357767
I wish Umineko didn't have to end in with a moral. Is it really necessary to have one? I really can't think of an event that would change the entire family and make them lose interest in the money completely. If it happens, it would just feel childish.

>>3357785
>>equal amounts
laughing_man.jpg

Grimdark emo?

I'LL SHOW YOU REAL GRIMDARK FOOL! IN THE EMPEROR'S NAME!

WE SMITE SHIT CAUSE WE ARE ANGRY ALL THE TIME!

>>3357734
>*squish*pop*slop*

>>3357794
Killer isn't after money

>>3357787
...Because it's in the original. Go to /tg/ if you want shitty Grimdark.

Grim dark is the worst thing ever created by human hands.

Sunny moe is the best.

>>3357785
>>equal amounts

>>3357780
I don't actually believe it, but what I got from /a/ (yes I know /a/ is a horrible place and I should never go there again) is that apparently Umineko has ALWAYS been a romance story, namely between Beatrice and Battler. I don't know if they just ignored the actual murder/mystery parts and focused on Meta Beatrice and Battler, but they honestly believe romance is the true theme behind everything and cram the quote "Without love, the truth cannot be seen" or fanart pictures down your throat.

>>3357794
Battler finds gold alone and gives ridiculous amounts to everyone. People can't get greedy and be like "FUCK YOU BATTELR I WANT ALL THIS GOLD" because they have no idea where it is. And he gives them enough to be happy.

Fucking greedy eva, seriously. Why do you need all that gold? You can't spend it all.

>>3357709
>implying Umineko is a psychological thriller

>>3357822

>Grim dark is the worst thing ever created by human hands.

Go back to /a/, you uncultured faggot, and enjoy your childish moeblob bullshit with all of the other twelve-year-olds who can't handle gritty, violent reality.

>>3357826
Ryuukishi said the theme of umineko is love

>>3357826
Well, Beatrice did say that the single element of the world is love.

>>3357826
I see your problem. You believed /a/.

>>3357854
Who said you can't have grim and dark with love?

>>3357869
Nobody.

>>3357835
Yet, that doesn't change the family, they were still greedy except now they have money.

Jesus christ a story doesn't have to have one freaking tone all the time. It has it's lighter moments and it's grimdark moments which play off eachother and make up a bigger picture. If it was all moe moe or all grimdark it wouldn't be nearly as good so stop being faggots and saying one mood is inherently better than the other. Goddamn.

>>3357855
The same Beatrice that brutally killed Shanon when she was going on about love? The same Beatrice that pretended to protect Jessica and Kanon's love to troll Battler? The same Beatrice who read Gal games to troll Battler? The same Beatrice who gave the brooch to shanon so she could enjoy ripping them apart?

You mean that same Beatrice?

Jesus christ a story doesn't have to have one freaking tone all the time. It has its lighter moments and its grimdark moments which play off eachother and make up a bigger picture. If it was all moe moe or all grimdark it wouldn't be nearly as good so stop being faggots and saying one mood is inherently better than the other. Goddamn.

>>3357869
in b4 Love can Bloom

>>3357886
Did you read the OP? He's complaining that people are adding moe to the story, not that he's pissed off at the more in the game.

>CRAAAAAWWWWLLLIIIIING IIIIIIIIN MYYYYYY SKIIIIIIIIIN

>>3357899

Did you read the OP? He's complaining that people are adding moe to the story, not that he's pissed off at the more in the game.

Love?

Nothing but a third-rate motive for murder.

>>3357893
Notice how it all has to do with love?

>>3357893
The most popular reasoning behind that is either she never did it, or made Battler believe she did it, so he would try and find the truth (even though he always has been trying to).
I guess the majority of the fans believe that Beatrice is like some witch-Jesus for Battler, and sacrifices everything for him.
I'm trying to remain ignorant and think she's just an evil witch.

Hey I have an idea, lets add moe to a bunch of animalistic cannibal killer goats.

>>3357923
Notice how all of them was one big troll.

>>3357925
>I'm trying to remain ignorant and think she's just an evil witch.
Too bad, you're going to have to read episode 5 sooner or later.

>>3357927
Sounds good to me.

>>3357934
Notice how the real troll was that she was trolling out of love. And the biggest troll of all is that she wasn't a troll

>>3357937
I CAN JUST WAIT FOR 6, YOU KNOW. MAYBE 07 WILL STOP SHITTING ON THE ANTI-FANTASY FANS FOR ONCE.

>>3357927
Ryuukishi did that himself. See: goat-kun.

Honestly, the HAPPYFUNTIME stuff in the game makes the murders and such all the more disturbing.

>>3357937
And you're goddamn gullible. EP3 had this same thing thrown at you. Ending of EP4 has 34 claiming that it's one huge troll and proclaiming that Beatrice is awesome at acting and that she has something up her sleeve. Lets ignore contradictory evidence and harp of Beatrice being moe moe love love.

>>3357948
see>>3357977
Are you guys really that easy to fool? Add a pretty face and some tears and you faggots would fall for anything.

>>3357893
I'm a anti-fantasy fag, so I don't believe Beatrice has done anything outside of the meta-world.

>>3357948
BUT WHAT IF SHE WAS TROLLING ABOUT THAT TOO?

>>3357977
>>3357988
You're too cynical. Get trolled once and you try to wise up, but what you do instead is become unable to trust anything. That's not wisdom, it's paranoia.

>>3357977
omg but virgilla said beato luvz battler n he was crying n shit when she died so they love each other forever
who was ange again??

Battler realizes the whole truth behind episode 5 and thus becomes the game master. You can't troll him.

>>3358005
She killed your family in the most horrible way, repeatedly. Suddenly she starts crying and expects us to believe her and you tell her to shut the fuck up. That's not being cynical that's being smart.

>>3358027
Ronove trolled Beatrice. Your point is invalid.

>>3357995
I'm in the same boat as you, but our good friend Ryuukishi continues to say "YOU MUST BELIEVE IN BOTH (BUT BELIEVE IN MAGIC AND LOVE A BIT MORE, OKAY?)". Frankly, it's getting annoying seeing all the things magic creates.

>>3358031
>She killed your family
No, Natsuhi did.

>>3358031
>She claimed to kill your family in the most horrible way, repeatedly, but the whole point of the game was to prove she didn't.
I know.
>That's not being cynical that's being smart.
I just can't wait until you realize beyond a doubt Beato wasn't trolling this time. Why did she back down when she was so close to beating Battler twice in a row? Why did she offer him the chance of the game in the first place?

It's pretty easy to claim "no, no matter what anyone says it's definitely trolling, I won't fall for that, I'm too wise" but it's another thing entirely to actually know when shit's real.

>>3358045
She started the game knowing she would never win, and is under incredible pressure from Lambdadelta to make sure she never wins or loses.

>>3358066
So she's stealth-trolling Lambda by appearing to dominate Battler when really she's making him stronger and leading him closer to the truth.

>>3358033
I think it's enough I acknowledge the fantasy bits as having significance to the story. That doesn't mean I don't still believe there's a mystery to be solved, though.

>>3358074
You can't really troll Lambdadelta. In Episode 5, Bern and Lambdadelta simply said goodbye and they hoped they would see each other soon for another interesting event. They are far much older and wiser than Beatrice.

>>3357952
You know it's ultimately Anti-Fantasy, he's just being a dick about it and trolling us till the end.

>>3358085
There's something about Beatrice that Lambda can't comprehend, see her diaries.

Anyway, somebody is probably going to have to put down Lambda and Bern, likely by making them creators. Make them so untrollable that they troll themselves out of existence.

>>3358045
So let me get this straight, you don't believe Beatrice, who's been lying her ass off since episode 1, isn't lying right now? And I'm paranoid to think she is lying despite everysingle thing that screams liar?

>>3358097
Nothing screams liar. The only thing screaming liar is your past experience.

fuck this shit

>>3358092
I honestly used to think that, but I'm really not sure now. He's (poorly) tried to develop this romance theme through the series, so I'm expecting some sappy love bullshit at the end, probably involving Battler and Beatrice, and the family learning that it was wrong of them to think about the money like that.

>>3358131
Going to fucking rage. He needs to learn that the impossibly happy end is not always the best way to tie things up, I'm going to feel cheated if that happens.

Shippers need to get the fuck out, I sincerely hope there is no Beato end.

>>3358104
>>Nothing screams liar. Except all the other times she's been lying and a superior witch who say's she's acting the victim.

>>3358156
Hey, I can't agree with you more. I'm just trying to prepare myself for it somehow.
For whatever reason, I like the entire demon cast (well, Gaap and the bunnies are pretty silly) but I can't get myself to like Beatrice. Something about her irks me so much, and it's a shame she's always in the spotlight, and won't move for even a second to let some other characters get developed (Ronove, Virgilla).

Someone post the spoilers for EP5 for me

Grim Dark with comedy is best

Come on now, the fact that it's not all dark and morbid makes it a more enjoyable story.

We can't have shadows without light can we now?