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>>3352253
But, isn't it a different culprit each game?

Battler, he's insane.

>the Kanon is also Shannon theory has been dis-proven
no

A WIZARD DID IT!

>>3352253
Kanon, since he was the 'original Battler' that Battler replaced.
Jessica is Beatrice III.
Servants and Nanjo are in on it, proof is the bribes their relatives received after their deaths.

>>3352282
yes

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>>3352285
Explain, then?

>>3352284
Since 'Kanon' is a fake name and personality, with some light wordplay we can disregard the 'Kanon is dead' readtexts since that was him essentially 'killing' his fake personallity.

>>3352284
Ange also received money.Surely Rudolf has been involved.

Anyone have the theory that some anon wrote showing how Kanon could have committed the murders in every game?

>>3352304
Beato said "The only one who can use Kanon's name is Kanon himself." in red.

>>3352313
Ange assumed the money was meant as an insult to the survivors, but ignored the possibility that it was meant as a bribe. If Kurosawa, Nanjo, and Rudolph/Kyrie helped Kinzo/Beatrice/Whoever with the ceremony, they would give enough money to their survivors for them to live a rather comfortable life.

>>3352327
What I mean is he holds two names at once, Kanon, his 'servant' name, and his real name, which has suspiciously not been revealed.

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>>3352345
You'd think that would send up a red flag to people. Shannon's true name was revealed early on, but Kanon's name has been intentionally left unspoken.

Kanon's true name is Shannon
and Shannon's is Sayo,

There are two Shannons.

>>3352345
Hmm. If thats the case, then Shannon may have faked her death as well, considering that she also has a pseudonym and, at least in the first game, didn't have her corpse observed by George or Battler.

>>3352369
but then that would mean that Hideyoshi is in on it.

I haven't played that much of Umineko 5, but in the beginning, doesn't it say in red, that there are 18 people on the island, all 18 people are in the same room, and it lists all the people in there, including Shannon as Kanon as separate people?

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>>3352359
I like the theory that Kanon's true name is Battler, and that the 'Battler' we know is his replacement in the family register, giving him a motive for the murders.

>>3352374
How well does Hideyoshi know Shannon? Would he recognize a mangled corpse made up to look like her? But yes, there is a possibility he is involved. Thats why its an important fact that none of the cousins saw her corpse.

>>3352392
It is theorized that he was behind the murders of Kyrie and Rudolph on Eva's insistence in episode 3.

>Not mentioning Kanon dies the same way in every episode.

I wonder if it's possible for one of the family members to be in disguise. Like they're not who we believe they are and the disguiser also brought their corpse to the island. If that's the case then many rules (especially the body double rule in EP 1 for the shed victims) can be eliminated.

Although I don't know - that's probably against Knox's rules, right?

>>3352398
Huh. I never noticed that.

>>3352396
Knox article 10. There must be no characters disguised as other characters unless there are clues present that support it.

>>3352399
There is a way to bypass the cigarette thing. It could be planted by Rudolf or Kyrie.

Example: They go into the room and see the ashtray. It's empty but by it is a pack of Hideyoshi's cigarettes. They light one and put it out. This way after the three of them came back from the mansion they could tell everyone else about this cigarette bud. A perfect frame, because no one would believe Hideyoshi or Eva - similar to how no one believed Natsuhi wasn't the culprit (well besides Battler, but he's Battler).

>>3352405
Then what if there are clues? I personally think Rosa can be disguised, just because of her almost irrational bi-polar nature. The disguiser could be conflicting on how to act (especially with Maria), based on what they might know about Rosa and her past.

>>3352398
>Not mentioning Kanon's corpse disappears in Ep2 and 4.In Ep1 only Nanjo and Jessica confirms his death.

Okay, so assuming that Kanon is the 'mastermind', how would we explain the various murders?

Also, the fact that Kanon and Shannon were never dead to begin with can explain how they were 'revived' for George in episode 3.

>>3352415
Knox article 1. The criminal cannot be someone that wasn't present in the beginning of the story

>>3352398
>>3352416
>Not mentioning Shanon and George NEVER has been killed in the second twilight

>>3352424
Present, huh? Does that mean literally on the island or just mentioned by name as a character.

But that's just criminal. Do accomplices count as well in that definition?

serial realities - they are all guilty.

Okay, how about this?
Six years ago, Battler commits a 'sin', which causes him to be kicked out of the family register. Battler is sent to Kinzo's school for orphans and becomes 'Kanon'. Meanwhile, another kid, the child of Rudolph and Kyrie, replaces 'Battler' in the register and becomes the Battler we know now.
Later, Kinzo, driven insane from the loss of his love Beatrice and the perceived worthlessness of his children, decides to hold a bloody contest to replace him as head of the Urashimya family, a position he considers to be deadly serious. Unfortunately, Kinzo dies before he can observe the ceremony but leaves orders that it is to be carried out regardless. Kanon sees this as an opportunity to regain his lost title as the heir of the Urashimya family, and convinces Shannon to help him. He also bribes Nanjo and Kumasawa. Genji, being the model servant, agrees to go along with the plan. Gouda is probably not involved, since he is new to the manor and the old servants don't seem to trust him.

We know that Shanon was the only one that knew what was Natsuhi's favorite season of the year, and the criminal knew it.
Maybe George is the evil guy? We dont know what happened with him at episode 1, he was found "dead" with a stake in the belly at episode 2, and was walking around after being supposedly killed at episode 3.

>>3352480
Also the fact that he DID choose to sacrifice 'everyone else'.

>>3352433
>idol
Should say witch. Learn to shoop.

>>3352488
The entire 'sacrifice everyone' thing was so that he could get back at Gaap and tell her to die as the new master. He says right afterwards that he wouldn't sacrifice his family in such a way.

Besides, I don't think he would kill everyone because they wouldn't let him marry Shannon. First off everyone begins to die right after he gives her the ring, so how can he know for sure they won't let him marry. It would make more sense to kill if they didn't accept him.

Plus, it doesn't look like they really care too much: Eva is probably the only one. In EP 2 when George was in the bathroom Rudolf must have overheard him. He didn't say anything nor seem to care. I think Ryukishi put that scene in for a reason myself, and that itself is a good reason.

>>3352480
Dude Natsuhi used red text in the part when she said that. Something tells me that's major mindfuck because she shouldn't be able to do that.

>>3352523
>No Chinaman can be the culprit.
>Chinamen have super powers
>Red text is a super power.
>Natsuhi can use red text.
>Natsuhi is a Chinaman.
>Specific Knox rule for Chinaman was removed
>Knox rules protected Natsuhi
>Natsuhi is the culprit.

>>3352538
>Chinamen have super powers
>Red text is a super power.

That doesn't mean all people who have super powers are Chinamen.

>>3352538
I see no problem with this train of thought.

>>3352538
>Natsuhi is Chinese.

>>3352523
Red text at the real world means a strong conviction. Battler used red text against Dlanor, but Erika told him his red text was useless without evidence, because humans cant have such powers.