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Did anyone check those matters in Rain route that we discussed at last thread? If not I'll probaly check them later once I get home.

That's all of the translated comics, I think.

>>3346101
Which one?

>>3346131
were Sora and Makotos parents alive or dead.

Something I just noticed, there supposedly is also manga currently going in Comp Ace. Anyone know anything about it?

>>3346149
Hmm that would be hard to pinpoint. Did that conversation happened on Rain's route? I think it was on Chinatsu's.

>>3346294
I think someone mentioned that it happened in rain route

Countdown till dive2: 78 days
I wonder if we'll get any new usefull information today.

Hmm since the old thread died I'll expand upon my wacky theory here.

Sora and Makoto does not exist in the real world. They are illusions being fed by the AI to second generation people. Just as Aki-nee and Seira thought of making an NPC that learns in the virtual world, the AI thought of the same and made it in the real world. Sora is based on Kou's mother, Yae (Isao said Sora is really similar to Yae). While Makoto isn't based on anyone else, hence she developed complications like CEBD.

The biggest evidence is the scene at beginning of the game on the way to school. Kou experienced a headache along with a static screen. Then saw Sora at the sakura tree, then when he turned around and looked back she's gone. What the AI did is testing if they can hack the eyeballs, and it looks like they succeeded.

And an even more wacky theory.
The world is a big simulation, all of the characters are mere data. Except Sora, which is one of the simulation's researcher. She entered inside the simulation to observe but fell inlove. Seeing that such love can't ever be acknowledged, she engineered a way out via gray christmas. The Agent are other researchers trying to rollback the mess the Sora researcher did. Also they feel somewhat sorry for Kou so they helped him a little. They're going to rollback the data anyway.

It'll either end with the researcher's acknowledging their data attained sentience and makes it run forever or they somehow managed to bring all the characters to the real world (or maybe only Kou).

>>3346913
Thats kinda crazy, crazier atleast than what I can think, but somehow fits.

Also short ver of OP is available at site. Personaly I like it, well generaly I like almost everything from Kotoko tough. Someone with good listening and translation ability should try translate the lyrics for hints.

AIは狂っていたのか
直樹はなぜ狂気に走ったのか
『方舟計画』の全貌とは
エージェントとは何者なのか
空はなぜ死ななければならなかったのか
AIは人類の敵か味方か

/jp/ UPDATE ON THE DIVE 2 SITE WITH OP

>>3347103
and trial version next week

>>3346913
Rollback is a very expensive move computationally. It's easier to erase everything and start anew.

can someone repost the optimal route order? Finally decent raw vn discussion on /jp/, me wants to partake.

>>3347132
Routes open in progressive order, so the route order is forced, Rain -> Nanoha -> Chinatsu.

>>3347153
I see, thank you

>>3347045
Title is jihad, looks like some war would occur.

I wonder if Dive2 involves Kou finding Sora early in the game but without any memories. Recordare = to remember in latin. I though that was for Kou but what if that was for Sora? It might stand for Kou trying to make Sora remember throughout the game.

Also the song feels like something used in a war anime. A war might break out in the real world. If so it might involve some big plot twist like Kou and the rest being able to shift in the real world and realizing it's a simulation. ;_;

>>3347091
>直樹はなぜ狂気に走ったのか
Naoki isn't a human anymore, he's made up of nanomachines. (Based on the same principles as the nano flowers.)
His madness is probably the nanomachine AI trying to takeover.

>>3347166
yeah, well for some reason I think that for some reason or other Sora and Kou both would meet, but both would have lost their memories (before Kou starts the treatment), so there could be that both of them just have feeling that they know each other and decide to help each other to remember and then... you know how it goes.

as for war, I'm fully open for big FFA between GOAT, Anti integration , Dominion and Arc. But people materializing simulcrums in real world would probably feel weird.

More lost memories ? I think we had enough of that in part 1.

>>3345894
I second this.
> Save the English language on the Internet: www.аnоnтаㄥк.com/ICARE

New OP sucks. I'm not even generally a KOTOKO/I've fan, but this one is even more generic than most of their stuff, which is saying a lot.

>>3347200
Well if it escalates into a real war I doubt a simulcrum battle in the virtual world would be worth anything. Maybe they can get around the 'world is a simulation' thing by explaining that the assembler decomposed and recomposed you as a simulcrum in the real world.

>>3345894
How come this is so often brought up around this site?
> Save the English language on the Internet: www.аnоnтаㄥк.com/ICARE

>>3347262
Really? I liked, it's been stuck on loop on my media player for a while now.

>>3347262
Really? I liked it, it's been stuck on loop on my media player for a while now.

Why do I have the feeling this game won't be released until next year?

Hmm, Japanese Wikipedia didn't said anything about Sora and Makoto's parents.

On other note, I didn't know Gilbert's full name is Gilbert Gilberto. WTF is that kind of name.

>>3347563
Don't jinx it.

>>3347780

You mean this wikipedia? http://wiki.livedoor.jp/baldr_force/
It's there.
C6 空と真には親がいない　身元引受人がいるが誰かは不明

>>3347792
No I looked at Japanese Wikipedia
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/BALDR_SKY

Looks like I was right, they don't have any parents and have someone sending them money.

been wondering, if you check both present day Makoto pics in CG section at official site, those both seem to be in virtual, first one is Kou and Makoto falling towards sea, it seems to be the ES sea that is in arc (why the heck shes in arc anyway? we didnt see her to attack arc in any routes so far) and other seems to be from Akis virtual space. So is that like half confirmation that something really happened to Makotos real body, maybe she died during grey christmas or did the CEBD get worse and it caused her to shift permanently to virtual. We also don't really know anything about what happened to her during grey christmas, which seems to be a bit weird as we pretty much know everyone elses doings then. (what was Akis reason for survival anyway? as I seem to have forgotten it or was it ever said?).
But anyway, Makoto seems to blame herself a lot about something, so I tough that maybe the pollution that Mother spoke of was actualy Makoto? Is there any evidence against this?

Also, why is Makoto so HHHHHNNNNGGGGHHHHhhhhh......

>>3347810
Now they are more suspicious I say, was it ever mentioned what Makoto and Sora tought about their supporter? or did they know anything about him or have they tried to investigate him (as we know that Sora likes to look up those kind of stuff)? Or maybe Noi is their supporter, atleast Sora seemed to be in good terms with her. Thus this leads to me quostion why the heck Noi hasn't done any mentions about Sora to Kou.

>>3347857
Actually the pic at >>3346531 looks more like a singularity point is above them.

But yeah, Makoto is the only person we don't know the location is during Gray Christmas
Sora and Nanoha is in the lab
Kou is outside waiting for Sora
Chinatsu is in a class party
Aki-nee is in the dorm
And Masa is in a date outside the city

Someone pointed out in one of the old threads that she might be the one that took over Gungunir and caused to fire all over the city. Pic related.

Her real body might have really died during Gray Christmas and she became a wired ghost. Or maybe she commited suicide afterwards but ended up becoming a wired ghost instead.

>>3347857
>>Thus this leads to me quostion why the heck Noi hasn't done any mentions about Sora to Kou.
It's not like he ever told Noi that he knew Sora

>>3347857
IIRC that scene goes like this:

Sora: Makoto's being bullied at the dorms, I wish that kid learn to stand up.
Kou: Why don't you two join the Kisaragi Dorms?
Kou: Everyone here is nice.
Sora: Well that kid do not want to trouble anyone, we don't have any parents you see...
Kou: I'm sorry, it must be hard
Sora: Don't worry about it, it's okay. Someone's sending us money for our expenses.

Probably not accurate but that was how the conversation went.


Anyway this unknown supporter might be related to Arc. I think she mentioned that she was recommended upon to join that university like Kou was. It was during Kou and Sora's first conversation I think. But yeah she might know who her supporter is. I doubt it was Noi though, the conversation during the tournament doesn't sound like a conversation with a sponsor.

>>3347166
Too gundam'ish.

>>3347957
It makes sense if Ark was her sponsor. If I recall correctly, Aki was saying Sora was special.

>>3347166
>Title is jihad, looks like some war would occur.

Come the fuck on, the song is written by Kotoko herself. You can be sure as hell that the title or the song itself isn't any indication of what's going to happen in dive2.

I'm hoping they use the same people for the sub-theme(if they have one), I enjoyed it a lot more than the OP in Dive1.

>>3348129
Well the lyrics of the song seems to be about Sora.

>>3347908
Yeah, there was that Gungnir theory too. But the fact that Makoto was somehow or to some degree involved in causing grey christmas has become rather deep rooted fact in me atleast. That "sea" in that picture sure looks ES dream to me... but how would they be falling to... I dont know, so maybe it's singularity point then and Kou and Makoto are being "absorbed" into it.
Theory time: Maybe during Makotos route you learn also about Sora being alive and her being in not so good shape, so you join up with Makoto in dominion to a way to save Sora and become buddy buddy with Gregory (after manly duel preferably). During the search you learn way to save Sora, but because the search took so long it has become too late. So while listening Gregorys rambles about singularity point, they come up with crazy idea. Use singularity point to cause quantum mechanics hijinks so that you add way to save Sora to Kous memory, but because it just can't be added like that you use the fact that Kou loses his memory to fool altrenative time lines Kou in "recovering" the memory how to save Sora (there would be small choice during next playtrough that would lead Kou "recovering" that memory that he has forgotten), that would then lead to Sora route.

Did anyone here play dive1 trial when it came out? Did it have the OP movie in it? But anyway, I can't wait for next weeks trial and the questions it may answer and cause.

>>3348121
I don't remember Aki-nee saying Sora is special. In fact she was surprised when she saw Sora in real life because she looks like Kuu.

>>3348226
B22 亜季：空は普通のセカンドとは少し違う　より特別なの

>>3348266
Didn't she said that because she was picked by AI as the base of Kuu? She's now connected to Kuu, which makes her special. I'm pretty sure Aki-nee didn't know Sora before she went to the Kisaragi Dorm.

New OP is awesome, cant wait to see how well it matches with the video visuals, Giga is expert in that after all.

>>3348129
Maybe, maybe not. Rememeber that Dive 1 OP song is "Restoration", and is definitely plot related

>>3347166
>>3348603
I say you guys are reading too much into this. Yeah, "Restoration" might be in a slightly abstract level related to Dive1's plot. In the same way as half of the anime and eroge theme songs ever written are.

>>3348694
Maybe but I think they put a hint in the song.
The lyrics have similarities to the plot.

>>3348971
"they"? The lyrics are written by Kotoko. I very much doubt she has spent time researching the plot of Dive2 just to write this song that sounds like most of her other stuff anyway.

>>3349016
All right then. I never commented about the lyrics anyway since it's just your standard stuff.

I just said it sounded like something that came from a war anime hence there might be a war broking out on Dive2.

>>3348158
So the Sora route Kou would have memories of the other routes? Kinda reminds me of Ever17 but I guess that works too.

Kou joining the Dominion sounds really unlikely though. Even on Chinatsu's route he didn't join GOAT. Makoto's route probably involves Kou snatching her from the Dominion in some way or another like the pic @ >>3346531 suggests.

The problem is the Agent. The Agent seems to be running a simulation on how to prevent Gray Christmas from happening. But didn't that already happen? I wonder what the hell is that about. Unless Dominion really is correct and that the whole world is just a simulation. ;_;

The Agent are really suspicious, I thought they halted the whole system because they wanted to save Nanoha but they did the same in Chinatsu's route. That and the fact that they acknowledge Gungunir running out of control during Gray Christmas and deemed it acceptable and necessary.

And then there's the whole matter of the Baldr AI. It just doesn't fit in to anything. I doubt the game would put it there just as a nod to the previous games. It must have a purpose.

>>3349508
I didn't mean that Kou would remember all routes necessarily, just those information that he has "deposited" to ES dream, think something like cross channels hokora and notebooks.
But yeah I doubt Kou would really join dominion, unless there is somekind huge plot twist, it's more like myself wanting to Kou and Gregory tag team something, like Kou & Gregory vs. Eiji & Seira as something like that would be quite awesome.

Yes, I believe that agent has her own plans, just ain't quite sure what they are, altough her helping Kou might be something like Kuus latent memories and thus agent favors Kou instead of others she could use to further her plans.

As for baldr system, I'm sure it'll fit somewhere there, it has had some rather central plot elements happen to it, like Aki hacking it and Noitsuen dying while connected to it. Heck we might get something like students versus teacher match here, Gregory and Seira fighting together agains Noitsuen possessed baldr system.

Based on Baldr Force, he's probably going to end up joining every faction at some point in some route. Though Dominion's more messed up than Fei Dao.

Kou joining the Dominion sounds awesome. Fuck morality. Maybe Makoto get him to join. I really doubt she can persuade him though. Unless the AI turned out to be evil or something.

Few possible reasons I could see that could cause Kou to join Dominion: He gets somehow brainwashed in their service (bit like that one route in baldr force) or dominion somehow manage to convince him that there is a way to bring Sora back if he joins or he gets fooled by some really well done Sora NPC or he gets blackmailed by hawt Sora NPC sex.

>>3350279
It'll be a reverse of the Chinatsu route, with him being fooled into thinking that the world is an evil simulation.

>>3350141
Go ahead and feel it, bitch. You deserve it for looking like that.

>>3350141
That's Masa in the pic.
Enjoy your NTR.

>>3350141
He probably is not going to rape her, because that looks like a school stage flashback, and all Dive 1 H-scenes were in the present stage, so Dive 2 is most likely the same.

>>3350377
It looks like they're already having sex to me.
The omake scene might be canon and that's the continuation.

http://yandere.gray7.com/?p=599
Oh what the fuck.

>>3352163

Saw that one coming.

>>3352163
>comedy, action, drama, and gameplay

I can live with 2 out of 4 of these.
At least slice of life, sex/good hscenes and moe is not there.

>Baldr Sky 835
>Daiakuji 457
>SWAN SONG 426
>Suzukuri Dragon 360
I can't believe Suzukuri Dragon got that many votes. I guess hyping that here works.

>I’m not going to go translate Baldr Sky just because it has twice the vote as other games.
;_;

>>3352163
Probably everyone with brain saw that answer coming, but if he chooses by genre the next project, it's not like baldr doesn't have a chance, as it covers all 4 of most popular to some degreee. realistically I see them choosing either baldr, ayakashibito or tapestry from all the talks that I have seen, altough I wouldn't mind partfait either.

>>3353224

I dunno, knowing Takajun he'll be translating Daiakuji next.

Dive2 is still more than 2 months away.
Sengoku Rance is almost finished.
Takajun said he won't translate Dive1 until Dive2 is out and it turned out to be good.

Based on this the chance of Takajun picking Baldr Sky as his next translation project is zero. ;_;

77 cruel days of wait remaining

>>Dive2 is still more than 2 months away.

>>3353478
What's wrong with that statement?

>>3350279
I think kou might end up trying to save makoto from dominion though. After all he's been through with father Gregory, there's really no way kou would give in for dominion unless they set up a major mindhack on him, and simultaneously attack his physical body with his followers, and somehow rewrite his memory so that he has no connections with anyone other than father Gregory.
I think it's a matter of when makoto reveals her mask though. And whatever she saids, since kou has a tendancy to listen to girls more than dudes.

>>3353554
Spoiler text that.

>>3353543
Nothing, he laughs because he knows the wait is killing us.

>>3353554
>After all he's been through with father Gregory
Not really, at the start of the game Dominion isn't doing anything yet. I don't want Makoto's route to be Kou joining the Dominion as that would make it an evil route, unless they turned out to be the good guys all along. (Highly unlikely)

Did the Dive1 trial have story/include the first few chapters or just combat? I want to know what to expect with the Dive2 trial. I hope it includes the first few chapters of the game.

>>3353696
There were two Dive 1 trials. One has the prologue (Chapter 1). The other has a part of Chapter 2, starts with the first school flashback, and ends when Kou and Masa enter the cyberspace to test their new mechs. It also had some H-scene samples after that.

>>3353696
Joining Dominion =/= evil route, as it could be something like in chinatsus route, you can view GOAT as evil, but you didn't join them, just helped them because you knew why they were fighting and did not know other views, so Makotos route could be something similar. Also I don't see any factions in the game as pure evil, mostly different shades of grey, some more black some less. Heck, I don't think that there is even purely good faction there, everyone have their own agendas there, even Kou himself isn't pure good.
Most realistic way I see in Kou joining dominion is because she accidently learns that miko == Makoto, altough he doesn't imiadely join dominion he does talk Makoto later, something during that talk promts Kou joining dominion superficially and helping Makoto in something. I'd guess that this route would pretty much cover what happened with Makoto and dominions views on things, you would also learn whatever it is thats happening to Sora, thus giving player the starting point of Sora route.

>>3353696
well, ok, maybe the only thing gregory tried to do is to make kou become mentally unstable and have doubts against arc, and by having kou ask his aunt at ark about noah's ark plan.
Which can lead to a theory that the whole point of ark's technology is to create some kind of spaceship to transport the people working in ark, as well as a bunch of important people, biological samples that ark wants to bring along for this journey. Ark most likely has some kind of super technology, some kind of super-weapon that can wipe out the world with a single button, just in case someone like kou causes a shit ton of irreversible problems. since that's what happened when god wiped out the earth in the biblical version of the noah's ark.

>>3353696
I'm not sure, I didn't get the trial, I got the retail copy. Just finished with the all the routes, trying to unlock some of the extra h-scenes now.

>>3353768
I would like to agree, but Dominion to me is evil. They brainwash their cult members to commit suicide, put the dead cult member's memories into NPC to lure their relatives into joining the cult, and they want to release the assembler to start another Gray Christmas. There's nothing morally ambiguous about any of those, they're all evil acts.

I don't like another Chinatsu route where like majority of the cast died. Actually that's my least favorite route since Kou is a massive idiot and switches faction multiple times. And yet everyone still trusts him.

Anyway this pic here @ >>3346531 seems to imply that he's going to save Makoto from the Dominion.

>>3353780
I'm pretty sure Arc's plan involves turning into wired ghost in one way or another. At the very least I didn't see a space launching during Chinatsu's last chapter. I don't think they're going after biblical references since the game didn't used on so far except for the Dominion's Gnostic roots.

>>3353744
I see. That's good then, as long as Dive2's chapter 1-2 is different from Dive1.

>>3353844
Yeah, chinatsus route was worst for me too, but I used it just as example of possibility. As for dominion, they are evil, just not pure evil to me (still most evil faction in game tough), whatever they will turn into pure evil in dive2, will have to wait and see what their "true" goal is, as it could be a "good" goal, but they are just doing it horribly wrong. as for this pic >>3346531 ,it can be viewed in several different ways of what's happening in it.
But generally what I meant was that altough dominion maybe evil, just having route of Kou joining them won't make Kou or the route evil by itself, it will be the actions Kou take that will determine whatever it will be evil, neutral or good route.

>>3353969
I dont think that chapter 1&2 will be that different in dive2, just enough different to see differences where dive2 will go, maybe something like running into Gilbert during the opening chapter might happen or meeting Makoto or Sora during chapter2. unless then dive2 will be having completely different starting point or the trial will start from somewhere in chapter 3/4 where the most likely differences will start to happen.

>>3353844
problem is though, wired ghosts don't age wouldn't really need to work. Remember what happened to the wiredghost in baldr force exe? People are gonna be asleep half the time since they won't need to eat or work. Since goat's pretty fucked atm with the tranquilzer down, half thier armies raped by arc and fenrir I think G.O.A.T's only option is to rely on the BALDR system, unless the tranquilizer was REALLY their ultimate weapon that we were able to take a glimpse in. Considering G.O.A.T's manpower, it's most likely that they have something else up thier sleeve. Frankly, I'm scared how dive 2 will start out as, since the dive 1 end from chinatsu route fucked over half the cast. That brings up another question, how you're gonna start the game in dive 2. Considering Rain got flatlined by kou, who's gonna support him now? Chinatsu would probably be busy on her own missions. rain , sidsel, and mohawk, is out of the question, since kou took them down himself. Also, since isao went after kou, it's most likely that eiji flatlined too, since isao was fighting eiji before him. It seems like the only good intel/support he's really going to get is either from makoto or agent now... the agent haven't really lied to him yet, but doesn't really apppear too often. Makoto on the other hand seems really fishy. I don't think there really is any "good guy" in any of the organizations, as they want information from kou all the time. The only organization that closest to truth would most likely be ark and dominion though. Sora and kuu is probably out in the real world somewhere, creating an organization with the npcs that got infected and cast out from the system.

>>3354080
Dive2 doesn't have to start from the end of Chinatsu's route, you know.

>>3354106
Frankly I wouldn't mind starting from any of the 3 end routes. I think kou should have had rain join G.O.A.T though, even if she didn't want to be under her father's rule, she wouldn't be able to obligate against her superior officer who is kou. Why am I getting to this? Because rain route was probably the best route. Also, harlem.

Sorry but I´m new here but what is this game? is it translated? where can I download it?

Please enlighten me.

>>3354280
Cyberpunk Mecha with gameplay. No. Google.

>>3354280
Hands down the best sci-fi eroge, and strong candidate for the overall best eroge of the year. It's a visual novel/gameplay hybrid, though it's not really focused in gameplay in the same way as Rance is. It's not translated. You can download it from the usual places like Hongfire or Share.

>>3354296
>Hands down the best sci-fi eroge
That's a very subjective opinion.

>>3354301
No shit. Should I have mentioned this explicitly in my own post?

>>3354303
Yes, that would help greatly.

>>3354301
Well are there really other sci-fi eroge?

It's the best cyberpunk eroge. Since it's the only one. Still waiting for a space opera eroge. ;_;

>>3354310
There are quite a few sci-fi eroge. I can also think of at least one other cyberpunk eroge.

There's also at least one space-opera VN I know of, not an eroge though, and it's otome and for the PS2 only.

>>3354310
There are some space opera eroge.
The second half of Tenkuu no Yumina for example.
R.U.R.U.R has some element of this too.

>>3354318
I know there are other sci fi eroge but most of them just used random technobabble and handled technologies like magic. Baldr Sky is the only one I played that tried to explain their technologies realistically. I would classify it as Hard SF but there's still some random bullshit like the singularity point. Maybe they'll explain that on Dive2 though.

>at least one other cyberpunk eroge
Don't leave me hanging and tell me the name. Also is it good?

>>3354323
>Tenkuu no Yumina
It is? I tried playing that game but dropped it because the plot was ridiculous. I must win the student council president election so I won't be forced to repeat the year. By singing.
I guess I'll go back to it.

>R.U.R.U.R
Don't know anything about this, is this good?

>>3354362
>>I tried playing that game but dropped it because the plot was ridiculous. I must win the student council president election so I won't be forced to repeat the year. By singing.
Yeah it's ridiculous, but there's a reason she has to do this.
The first half is mostly a comedy so it shouldn't be taken so seriously, but everything is explained later.
Here is the opening of the second half to give you an idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqJRO5x5Bw4

And R.U.R.U.R is quite good.

>>3354362
>>I tried playing that game but dropped it because the plot was ridiculous.

Judging from the "spoilers" I've read in the past five threads, It's rediculousness isn't too far from Baldr's.

>>3354362
Baldr Sky is hardly "hard SF". It doesn't explain any key concepts like what is the organical AI (It's supposed to be man made so there must be some explanation) or how does the Gungnir work (how does it store its energy, what orbit do the satellites have to fire simultaneously at a perpendicular angle at the same place) besides "nanomachines and AI" which is basically the same as magic in this context.

>>3354362
Kikokugai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNyt7WKpGxc

I don't know if it's any good, I've never played it. All I know about it is that it's set in Shanghai, has to do with martial artists modding the shit out of themselves with cybernetics and that there's a loli who carries around a decapitated head with her.

>>3354410
Kikokugai isn't a space opera.
Think of it like Kill Bill with cyborgs, and the main character is a guy of course.

>>3354392
Watching that OP got me wondering, which is the first eroge that separated the story in two? Usually a high school comedy part and a serious/drama/Sci-fi part?

>>3354419
Muv-Luv did it before.

>>3354420
But is it the first?

>>3354417
I never said it was a space opera.
>>at least one other cyberpunk eroge
>Don't leave me hanging and tell me the name. Also is it good?

>>3354393
Well, those are mere random speculations. We didn't discussed anything about the plot, just the loose ends thats being tied to Dive2.
You really shouldn't read the spoilers if you haven't played the game though.

>>3354395
That's what I was saying. If they can explain how those things work it would be Hard SF. The stuff they explained, they explained 'realistically'. No 'I'll make a VB GUI to track the IP address' bullshit.

>>3354410
Thanks, I don't think I'll play this though cause I already spoiled myself with the story by reading the summary on a forum some time ago. ;_;

>>3354434
I understand what you're getting at. It's surprisingly "hard" for a eroge (where the main point is not supposed to be this), but it's still light years away from a real "hard SF" story. It only explains petty concepts like what does limiter the limiter do but it doesn't explain how the dive itself is accomplished nor how does the limiter works internally.

>>3354434
I understand what you're getting at. It's surprisingly "hard" for a eroge (where the main point is not supposed to be this), but it's still light years away from a real "hard SF" story. It only explains petty concepts like what does the limiter do but it doesn't explain how the dive itself is accomplished nor how does the limiter works internally.

>>3354482
Yeah, well if they really made Baldr Sky hard SF I doubt it would achieve as much popularity as it has now. Not that many people appreciate infodumping unfortunately.

>>3354613
Of course, that would totally defeat the purpose. People buy these games to enjoy a nice emotional story and to get fap material. They're not buying the game to get a lesson on theorical physics.

Imagine using the divergence theorem to explain some bullshit you've made up to a NEET. He would either skip all the text or boycott the company because there is not enough moe/drama and too much complicated shit in his fappan gaem.

I, for one, would love an eroge written by someone who knows half shit about all this.

age

>>3354169
I don't think it's possible to continue from any of the routes. That would mean Kou would dump Dive1 heroines for Dive2 one. I don't want that.

Nanoha deserves her happiness.

>>3355267
With all respect good sir, Nanoha can go suck a cock. She likes them too.

>>3355276
What's wrong with that?

>>3355303
With sucking cocks? Absolutely nothing, is an eroge after all.
But Nanoha is, up to Dive1, only a minor character in all this development.

>>3355326
>But Nanoha is, up to Dive1, only a minor character in all this development
Of course she is and I prefer it that way. Leave the only normal girl alone. She already went through alot. Don't suddenly snatch her happiness by making Dive2 start from her route.

>>3355357
But yeah Nanoha's route is the best route to continue from. Her good end is also the only ending which doesn't end in a timeskip.

>>3355267
Hopefully she gets good end as it some time sucks to be so normal in these kind of games and not to be able do anything herself. Shes nice character in my opinion, in that she isn't anything special, just a normal person caught in the mess, and it's just nice to some time play the knight in shining armor. Some may say Nanoha is annoying because she normal and whines, but I wont.

But most likely dive2 just adds routes on dive1, so no need to continue from old routes endings. Has there been any info about how dive2 will install? Does it install as stand alone or does it install on top of dive1 in the case it's installed?

>>3355390
Nanoha doesn't whine, that would be Chinatsu and her "I'm not a human I'm a machine woe is me" which is really annoying and did not prevent her from raping the main character. While all Nanoha want is a peaceful life for Kou. Her constant crying fits her character and is apt due to the situation they're in.

Nanoha's route is the best route ingame. Sadly her ends do not have an epilogue except for her bad end which is a big fuck you to the players.

Best of all she sucks at C just like me. Pointers are evil.

Speaking of which, Kou is a pretty awesome protagonist. I'm pretty sure I won't be able to keep my sanity if I experienced what he went through.

Holy shit there are Nanoha fans?

>>3355529
Of course there are. What's not to like about her?

>>3355519
Okay, should have said crying rather than whining, I like her too and her route is best in my opinion too.

>>3355529
Oh there is, they just are bit rare, but then again I like about 90% of baldr skys cast, and there isn't anyone that I truely hate, which for me is extremely rare, to encounter cast which I like as much I like bskys.

>>3355519
Thank god picked up a major that doesn't need logical thinking and cold analysis. Naoki's assembler can run for 15 minutes without fucking up things. Imagine a nanomachine programmed by Nanoha, who cried because couldn't even get into the nanotech major.

Yes, I am biased against her. I like my women more or less capable.

Hey there.

Just linking this thread: >>3355293

Confirmed for no translation.

>>3355650
See
>>3353300
We already know. ;_;

>>3355632
But Nanoha is capable of cooking, cleaning and other womanly duties. She's the perfect waifu. I wonder why she's untalented on technical stuff when both her parents are genius researchers though. Poor Nanoha.

Speaking of the assembler, why is that thing using a genetic algorithm for replication? That's really stupid, of course that'll developed a harmful mutant. What they should've done is a simple replication with all the copies identical to each other and no evolving shit. If a copy deviates from the original destroy it immediately. That way no mutant would occur and the assembler would be perfectly safe.

>>3355719
I wouldn't want a waifu whom I had to babysit every time something happened. She can't handle stress. Well, it's a moe characteristic, the weak heroine who cannot function properly without the main character supporting her.

I am speculating here as I don't remember well Assembler's details. You need it to be self-adapting "organism" so it can survive in any medium. The goal is to clean up the Earth so the nanomachine must come in contact with all kinds of harmful chemicals and radiation. Hardly there is any machine or material that is all-purpose so the nanomachine must adapt to the harmful conditions.

>>3355719
Probably because it's in human nature to strive for evolution instead of perfect replication.

And why the heck I have been having almost all day jihad playing in loop... that song is really catchy, first when I heard it, it wasn't that good, but it got better the more I listened it and now it's stuck in my head.

>>3355773
>>3355785
No matter what the reason is using a genetic algorithm for replication to something that disassembles molecules doesn't really sound like a good idea. It'll evolve over any restrictions you put in there. Well at least it managed to hold on for 15 minutes.

I wonder if assembler is important on Dive2? If Sora really turned out to be alive, there's no longer any use for it storywise. I doubt Dive2 would still be using the assembler plot, that would be really repetitive if so. Maybe it'll end up cleaning the environment on the true canon end.

>>3355773
She's pretty capable of supporting herself when Kou wasn't there you know. She can handle stress and is strong. She managed to live in that shithole of a slum for years and didn't get raped.

Speaking of Assembler, was it explained how Kou and Chinatsu survived the nuclear explosion in one of their end and didn't suffer radiation effects? I know they lost both of their bodies but brains can suffer radiation effects too.

Also why did that nuclear bomb didn't explode when Gungunir sniped the plane that's carrying it on one of the other ends? I have no idea how nuclear bombs work.

>>3356045
Game inconsistencies.

You need to reach critical mass to begin a chain reaction. Like a C4 and a detonator, without a detonator C4 is rather stable and won't explode.

>>3356045

Speaking of ends with some inconsistencies.

Did they explain how Kou survived the Assembler in Nanoha's normal end?

>>3356170
Wasn't it because Noi stopped him going too near Nanoha? As assembler didn't infect him earlier, just when it run out of control in good/bad end. Might be wrong tough.

>>3356321

Ah I must have over looked that, I assumed he kissed her in all the ends.

>>3356339
Even if they kissed, the bioplant was still in the abdomen and lower area.

>>3356353

My mistake then, thought it was spread by saliva as well.

>>3356397
They don't explain anything so there are a lot of conjectures. You could be right.

why didn't I think that, one other possibility that I see why Kou would join dominion: At the start of each route Kou doesn't know shit about anything due to his memory loss, so this could make him join dominion out of ignorance of the facts. For example, what if the first person he meets is GIlbert instead of Rain? Altough Gilbert probably would be fuckjob towards Kou, he could still probably figure out that Kou has lost all of his memories, so Gilbert would spoon feed Kou some lies about how he was dominions agent and they were partners and he'd help him to "recover" Kous memories. I could see Gilbert actualy doing something like that to just fuck around with Kou and making him his lackey/slave.

>>3356084
But isn't the detonator in the nuclear bomb too?

>>3356321
Well Kou is already kissing and embracing Nanoha before the start of the battle. They were embracing each other when they dived too.

Maybe a not yet deployed assembler doesn't infect another person's body. Seira did say that during that phase it turns the person into a bioplant and prioritizes the host's life.

Speaking of which, It's pretty cruel of Naoki to design the assembler to require living things to bootstrap from. But I guess a living organism have more types of molecules to use.

>>3356739
I guess something like that could work. Gilbert isn't really with the Dominion though and hates Kou enough that he'd probably just kill him. Also it's pretty impossible for him to meet another person first before Rain, unless Rain died in the explosion.

Though it'd be funny if that really happened and Gilbert ended up sacrificing his life for Kou. That guy probably needs a few friends.

>>3357054

Naoki was incredibly fucked up even before Gray Christmas.

Carbombed his colleagues for trying to create a terraforming project he considered worthless and then using their daughter as a human experiment. Guy was cold blooded.

A prequel of dive 1 might be interesting too... considering kou totally has no memories regarding his past experiences as a mercenary with rain. The timeline after saving rain from grey Christmas that is. I mean, rain explains it in words about where they went and stuff, but I'm more interested in how they got through it, considering they were just students when they first met.

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>>3357468
Probably there is not enough material to warrant a whole game about that, and personally I wouldnt be very interested, because Rain is my least favorite heroine.

>>3357468
>>3359195
So that would have little story and just full of gameplay? Not really something I'd like since I didn't like Baldr Sky's gameplay that much. I'd also probably hate Kou's character there since based on the flashback he seems to be a cold calculating person during his mercenary days.

I want the school life part turned into a standalone eroge more.

76 days till opening the combat again.

>>3357468
I could see something like that to be told in fandisk, if there ever comes one.

age

>>3359850
this pic got me wondering, was it ever said that Kou & Co. won/lose the tournament? I just kinda assumed they lost due to Makoto, but that pic made me rethink it and now can't remember how it was.

>>3361071
I think the tournament got cancelled due to Gray Christmas.

>>3361179
It was? didn't it end well before gray christmas? wasn't that time when Sora and Noi were at the tournament the finals and that was before gray christmas? been forgetting stuff as it has been while since i played through it last time, so can't be 100% sure tough

http://ekizo.mandarake.co.jp/shop/ja/item_s-173017.html

damn... rain bedsheets, I wish american import shops or even places like sears or macys sell more of these kind of stuff.
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3359820
speaking of the schooldays part, I don't think kou had any proper sex scenes with anyone other than chinatsu, but that was still very light considering it was just dating. Frankly, I think they should have put in more h-scenes in the extra non-story related rape/h-scenes featuring makoto, sora, and aki.

>>3361437
It was something like makoto's 1 man (or, well, 1 woman in this sense) team went through a different tournament, and got to the finals. As for the tournament kou was in, they went against gilbert for the finals. makoto and kou's team didn't compete because of thier difference in rank, kou's was noob rank tournament and makoto was something higher I think.

>>3361468
I'd want Sora bedsheet....

But, altough Kou and Chinatsu were "dating" they had sex? I tough they didn't have, wasn't their last battle and promise just about that issue? the thing that Kou would take Chinatsus virginity after they would graduate from school if she still wanted it? So only person Kou had sex during school years would be Sora if we believe that this pic >>3350141
happens during actual story instead of omake.

>>3361545
Yeah they didn't have sex in the real world. Chinatsu kinda regrets losing her body before she manage to lose her virginity and then there's the promise with Kou. They might have did it in the virtual world though. That scene was really ambiguous though so we might never know for sure.

>>3361577
oh yeah that scene, kinda forgot it. but still virtual is not replecement for real. but my take is that it they didn't do it, untill proven otherwise ofcourse.

http://e-drexler.com/p/04/03/0325nanoMeanings.html

This is very much like the drexler organization that naoki's in. Hell, it's almost like giga based the drexler organization on this.

>>3361602
Doesn't really matter if they did it or not since it's virtual. Also Chinatsu's original body is long gone.

>>3357337
Naoki isn't reallycold blooded. I mean he tried to turn back Nanoha and Sora in the morning of Gray Christmas. He even contacted Chinatsu probably to warn her. Something's just possessing him.

That guy is a living nanomachine I wonder how they'll integrate it to the plot. I doubt the game just made him a nanomachine for no reason.

>>3361765
They probably googled for a nanomachine articles and found that site, then decided to use it as the name of the organization.

BTW that website is extremely informative. I thought stuff like nanomachines and molecular assemblers are only in the realms of Sci Fi.

>>3361781
It'll matter in sense of first time, but thats just me minor nitpicking about this matter and has no larger meaning.

I can see it now, everyone and their trump cards will be after Sora for some reason in Sora route and Kou has to defend her. Big fucking FFA between Naoki, Tranquilizer, Gregory, Arc, Agent, Kou, each one fighting for different reasons.

But on more serious note, I think they'll somehow manage to squeeze all the plot elements together somehow and in sensible manners. Any change in that the "insanity" that Naoki has is actualy the same that Gregory has? ofcourse Naoki could have ability to supress it to some degree while Gregory is fully possessed by it? Considering that Gregory can turn his hands into chainsaws, that could be result of nanotechnology. We really need more information of Gregory.

>>3361981
Ahh that reminds me. Kou has the nanomachine formula encrypted in his head. I wonder why Naoki gave him that. It would probably come into play in Dive2.

Naoki's insanity is different from Gregory I think. Naoki's is probably related to the fact that his body is no longer human but made out of nanomachine. Probably the nanomachine AI trying to take over.

Gregory might be connected to ES in some form or another since he seems to know everyone's past. Also this guy didn't die when Gilbert killed his real body on Rain's route so he might be a wired ghost. They're also talking about Sophia, that might be another system like Eve and Baldr.

This game has way too many plot points that I don't know how it's connected to each other.

Arc and their plan.
Dominion and their plan.
Naoki's body and his assembler.
Sora
Agent and its intentions.
GOAT and its Baldr AI.
Mother/Eve and the 'pollution' in their system.
Noinstein
Noi
Yae, Eiji & Isao's old research days.

>>3361981
About the chainsaw hands, that's inside the virtual world, can't be due to nanomachines.

>>3361981
gregory is most like an ex-ark employee. Who was ousted out by ark because he was experimenting in replicating npcs. This would explain why ark does not want kou to know about the whereabouts of the lost npcs that are not under ark's command. The realm beyond the red sea at ark's HQ most likely leads to dominion's HQ, as stated in the story, "ark is the light, and dominion is the darkness". However, if makoto's in dominion, then sora would also have to be in dominion too. As makoto is sora's sister by blood (if that really means anything, considering how vague thier no family bloodline and family relationship is), so in essence sora is the deity of the dominion, since as the role of the miko, makoto is obligated to pass on the words of the goddess, her own elder sister. It's most likely that gregory was the one who was supporting the two sisters thru thier schooldays too, considering they don't really have parents.

anyone else got the feeling that Gregory might have some history with Seira? I think her reaction at his name at some point during Chinatsu's route was far from neutral (to the point that he probably wasn't just some Ark employee), and he seems to know a fair amount about Seira's period as Noinstein's (?) student.

>>3362193
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he was also a disciple of Noinstein

>>3362211
The game never mentioned that, but yeah we can imply that based on Seira's reaction to Gregory's challenge.

>>3362222

Really? I also thought they mentioned it and that the two of them went in separate directions to pursuing their research. Hopefully I'm not mixing it up with something else.

>>3362247
Well I don't remember Gregory saying that he's Noinstein disciple. Seira did. Seira also said Gregory is her rival so I guess that can imply the he used to be Noinstein disciple too.

>>3362222
Yes, it was mentioned. Both are trying to make true Nointzen's ideal but with different means.
Seira wants to make wired ghosts starting with the soul while Gregory tries with the person's memory and consciousness.

>>3362274
Really? Which route? I might have to replay the game again.

>>3362293
Chinatsu's route.

What is Noinstein's ideals in the first place?

>>3362109
I doubt that Gregory was the person who supported Sora and Makoto, because when he first saw agent he gave me the impression that it was his first time seeing her. and if Sora would be the goddess I doubt gregory just would let her go that easily.

Bit more about Gregory, how did he recognoze agent as goddess Sophia anyway? And doesn't Dominion worship AIs as gods/goddeses? This would make agent an AI and not human based entity. Which would lead to that Sora would be an organic AI herself to some degree?

>>3363718
>he recognoze agent as goddess Sophia
He didn't. He just inferred that it must be Sophia. He was initially confused when the Agent first appeared too. If the Agent is really Sophia he shouldn't be confused when it first appeared.

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