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>>33363653
remake

>>33406904
My favourite interpretation is fanon and it's the one where Pache is a fat pig

>>33406904
I like Kanako being depicted as a proud arrogant goddess but also an easily flustered virgin

I like Suwako when she's depicted more mature than acting like a total child

I like Gensokyo depicted as a comfy idealistic setting where things are kept simple and comfy

>interpretations that you hate
I hate it when Eiki is depicted as being short, almost child-like, despite being canonically one of the highest characters.

>>33415509
She's still a washboard though

>>33406904
Canon definitely. Fandom is full of retarded shit made by secondaries who probably don't even know that the games exist!

>>33415568
Canon has touhous mimicking Trump with "Make Gensokyo Great Again" speeches. And canon still doesn't have Mima.

>>33415509
I really like that, personally. It's cute and contrasts nicely with that titbitch Komachi.

>>33416022
>titbitch Komachi
Another fandom headcanon. In PoFV Komachi is a literal skeleton from hell. How is she supposed to have huge breasts?

>>33416139
Don't be mean, there's definitely some boobflesh to be found here.

>>33416268
I don't see it

>>33416334
Well, I hope you enjoy flatmachi, anon.

>>33416380
It has nothing to do with me enjoying thing, this is how Komachi looks like (or at least how she is supposed to look like).

>>33415509
Yeah, Shiki is also rather stoic in games, but fandom depicts her as whiny brat, like in "Convictor Yamaxanadu" (fuck you, IOSYS, none of your songs are good!).

>>33416403
I prefer a bustier interpretation of her, though.
Do you only enjoy things if they strictly adhere to canon?

Always remember anons, Eiki is tall!

>>33416509
No, but it just buffles me that Touhou fanworks and fanarts so rarely adhere to canon. And canon is good enough, you don't need to add thousands of memes and fan-interpretations to it.

Like, I have never seen a fanart of Eiki with canonical proportions, nor a doujin/fanfic, where Eiki keeps her canonical personality.

>>33416648
>Like, I have never seen a fanart of Eiki with canonical proportions, nor a doujin/fanfic, where Eiki keeps her canonical personality.
You know what you must do, then. Be the change you want to see in the world.

>>33415568
>>33349203

>>33417739
It was in a different context. He was talking about a guy, who said he doesn't care for fanmade games. I don't disregard fan content, I am just critical of it, because, as I said before, it's full of dumb headcanons.

Also – people who call others secondaries usually are secondaries themselves.

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>>33416648
>No, but it just buffles me that Touhou fanworks and fanarts so rarely adhere to canon.
Touhou doesn't adhere to the canon of its source material even a little bit. People like Touhou Project because they like the take that Touhou has on its source material.

This is like being surprised that Prince Shotoku was not canonically a woman.

>>33415327
>I like Gensokyo depicted as a comfy idealistic setting where things are kept simple and comfy
Same here.

>>33420987
>Touhou doesn't adhere to the canon of its source material even a little bit.
Bad take. Touhou only takes inspiration from those works and doesn't claim that they are in the same universe. Fan works do not adhere to canon one bit, yet they claim to be Touhou, or in the same universe as Touhou.

>>33421727
>Touhou only takes inspiration from those works and doesn't claim that they are in the same universe.
Touhou takes place on Earth. They've got global warming and fake news and iPods.

>yet they claim to be Touhou
It's Touhou derivative work. None of it claims to be canon.

>>33421144
Inaccurate.
You eat tacos with a fork. Who drew that.

>>33421727
>yet they claim to be Touhou, or in the same universe as Touhou
Haven't you seen the disclaimer that appears in most every fanwork out there?

I feel like the fanwork is what made Touhou popular and gave a personality that made every character special in the Touhou universe. There are just tons of manga, fanart and derivative work of Touhou that really made it into something much bigger than how it originally started as a series of danmaku shooters with very little character development and immersion. Being able to take what ZUN says about Gensokyo and making it into something much bigger is what I liked about Touhou.

>>33425915
>Being able to take what ZUN says about Gensokyo and making it into something much bigger is what I liked about Touhou.
Seconding this.
That alone is probably the biggest reason why I like this series in the first place.

>>33406904
>Do you have any theories?
the pc-98 era reimu and marisa are ancestors of the windows era reimu and marisa, and the gap between the two eras is multiple decades long
that gives gensokyo enough time to change as much as it did
this is probably not a perfect way of connecting the two eras though (i wouldn't call myself the wisest when it comes to lore)

>>33406904
I like when there's a cat.

>>33416455
>IOSYS, none of your songs are good
They may not be good but they are fun to watch

>>33416455
>fuck you, IOSYS, none of your songs are good
Fuck YOU, buddy. Some of them are genuinely great.

Reminder this is what eiki actually looks like

>>33406904
>What is your favorite interpretation of Touhou?
I like Forbidden Scrollery's vibe. Dark enough to feel cool and dangerous and exciting and intriguing, but also casual and cute enough to feel like regular cozy touhou SOL. I like both 'angles' on the series, cutesokyo and grimsokyo both have their appeal and they're best when they can coexist. I'd like a SLIGHTLY mellower and friendlier atmosphre than FS, but at the same time I'd also like a slightly more exciting and more brutal setting. The dichotomy of man.

>Fanon or canon?
Canon hands down. The 'fanon' characters often have little in common with their official selves. This is apparently pretty common with fandom versions of characters though, they're like wacky parody versions of the real thing. I do like doujins, but only when they feel like they could fit into the real series.

>Are there any interpretations that you like or hate for whatever reason?
I kind of like the idea that Lumia's ribbon is a limiter. That seems to be a common fanon idea so I guess it appealed to a lot of people.

I dislike whenever a character is shown wildly out of character in a fanwork.

>Do you have any theories?
>Is there anything in canon that you like that others might have missed?
After beating Mokou, Yukari says she thought there were only three humans brave enough to fight her. Obviously, those are Reimu Marisa and Sakuya from PCB's Phantasmagoria stage. I think that's a bit more evidence that there isn't a single 'canon' route for the games. All the routes happen to some intentionally vague extent and I don't think there's a single true route like a lot of anons seem to believe.

...Nice picture by the way OP, very immersive. Very appropriate for thinking about lore.

>>33406904
Fanon is nothing more than unfunny memes from early 2000s and hentai. Only the most undemanding people can consume such low-quality shit and call it good.

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Well, with 18 being released in May, demo in March, I wonder what all it will bring to the series if there's talk about Dragons.

I like the idea that since Shinmyoumaru has 'lilliputian' in some of her spell cards and such, Gulliver from Gulliver's travels maybe ended up on one of the islands near Japan that his some of Shinmyoumaru's ancestors on it. It may

Never seen this idea brought up, but the idea of Gulliver's Travels being part of touhou backstory just seems fun to me.

It could also just be a meaningless literary reference, though.

>>33427356
So Eiki's a fighter?

>>33406904
This may sound prudish, but I'm tired of seeing mindless lewd discussion over and over again. There are years worth of content to discuss with more along the way and yet it's always the same braindead imagedumping.
I'm okay with any fanon that takes the source material and makes an interesting, well written story. Being close to canon makes it much better though.
>>33429513
That's a bit too harsh. There's got to be some fan content you like.

>>33462433
>This may sound prudish, but I'm tired of seeing mindless lewd discussion
You and I think alike.

>>33462634
another corrupt image.
jolly.

>>33462433
this guy gets it

>>33463512
That schizo doesn't get anything

>>33468478
>schizo
You reminded me that I have to do something, thanks.

>>33462433
>I'm okay with any fanon that takes the source material and makes an interesting, well written story. Being close to canon makes it much better though
Basically this. But I also do like when that's all chucked out in favor of dumb jokes.

>>33470727
Stupid stuff is fun too.

>>33462433
I think you're in the silent majority concerning the lewd stuff.

>>33415602
>trusting translations
>pc98 is non-canon
shieet massive secondary detected

>>33406904
>What is your favorite interpretation of Touhou?
the one from ZUN's songs.
It is a pseudo-paradise. Far from heaven yet it still is an idyllic oasis of phantasm.

>>33471074
That doujin is the perfect example imo

>>33462433
There's no barrier of entry to lewd discussion and fanart sharing. Anything deeper than that requires actually playing the games which your average weeb either won't or can't do.

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I dont think it’s ever been mentioned in canon, but I like the idea of the human village being the sort of basic primitive society where people work just like four hours a day and can spend the rest of their time lazing about or having fun.

That MOSTLY applies to hunter gatherer societies, but since any human in gensokyo who puts themselves into a position of ‘leader of humans’ ends up getting killed or disappeared, there shouldnt be any feudal lord to force peasants to work extra hard.

The human village situation is set up a LOT like a cult. But I like to imagine it as an actually benevolent one, where people are generally taken care of. It’s more like a farm, I guess. But a nice one where the animals are happy.

It’s going to sound like a fucked up setting to rationalize no matter what, though. But I imagine many people there are far happier than ones in the outside world.

>>33487082
The Human Village isn't explicitly stated to be, but it is essentially a pen for Human cattle.

>>33488499
More like a slaughterhouse

>>33406904
I like darker Touhou. Not something edgy, but I like uncanny feeling of earlier touhou games, when darker and serious themes were not shown explicitly, but heavily implied under happy girls and beautiful scenery. Flower indecent was a peak of it. I feel like now Zun decided to ignore this side of Gensokyo and make it fully PG. Maybe because he has kids now.
> Fanon or canon?
Fanon can be different, I love some interpretations a lot. But if fanon means most popular iosys-like memes, then canon.

>>33492027
Seconded!

Also
>I like uncanny feeling of earlier touhou games
You may find a fanfic "Touhou Ibunshu" interesting.

I've learned being a fan for a while that I've come to appreciate canon more after years of looking up fan stuff. Don't get me wrong I love both especially when fanon stuff actually has interesting ideas and such or is hilarious like that Satori sisters/Kaiji crossover doujin but canon is getting more appealing to me as I stick around.
>Are there any interpretations that you like or hate for whatever reason?
I don't mind the whole USC interpretation of Yuuka, nor do I mind the idea of her being stupid powerful even by the standards of this series but aside from one doujin (Inquiry into Kazami Yuuka was the title iirc) I've hardly seen anything interesting done with it. In a universe like Touhou being one of the most powerful and interpreted as a threat seems like it'd suck honestly.

In terms of interpretations I like, the idea that Alice is still Shinki's daughter but by adoption. It makes the retcons work and people do tend to give them a good dynamic.

>>33406904
>Is there anything in canon that you like that others might have missed?
I’ve just read Symposium of Post Mysticism for the first time, and in Hina’s profile she’s referred to as Nagashi-bina of the Hidden God. Retroactively that seems like an explicit reference to Okina, which surprised me cause I’ve never seen any connection between those characters ever mentioned.

Nagashi-binas are apparently dolls that girls float down rivers to carry off their own impurities. In Symposium, these dolls reach Hina who takes the bad luck from them. If she’s Okina’s negashi-bina it sort of makes sense for her to be collecting all of Gensokyo’s luck, since Gensokyo seems like Okina’s ‘property’ more or less.

Makes me wonder if Okina created Hina the same way she can create somewhat like Aunn. Makes me wonder if Okina has any plans for all that bad luck or if having someone to collect it is just a standard part of maintenance she set up.

I feel like there’s a lot of directions you could go with this implied connection, I’m surprised it hasn’t been done more often by fans but I guess a lot of people missed it. Or maybe people have done it and I’ve just missed those fanworks.

Less lore related but apparently the kanji for misfortune is 厄 which is maybe what the swirl on her dress references, and why she spins.

>>33406904
There's a time loop occurring in Gensokyo. That's the only way to explain why you can replay the same game with different characters and different outcomes.

>>33406904
I prefer the setting being kept rather light and idealistic, an undercurrent of dark implication is fine, it is a Youkai paradise after all.

I mainly hate intepretations that make either Remilia overly childish or Flandre an utter psycho.

I can't believe Eiki is Napolean!

>>33492027
>I like darker Touhou.
You should read this:

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/rainmaker_ch01#1

>>33506615
lmao wtf

>>33504608
>Flandre an utter psycho
You would think this trend would have died out by now. At least ZUN reemphasized her real personality in CDS.

>>33416455
I like stoic Shiki too but you're simply fucking wrong about IOSYS

>>33517127
I can't believe Flan's a smelly hikkiNEET

>>33504389
I haven't seen any fanart or fanworks yet, unless you're misreading something in Japanese maybe you're onto something?
You know what you must do now, hope you know how to write/draw.

People who get hung up on canon, especially in terms of appearance, are massive autists. Descriptions and timeline are purposefully vague and illustration is highly stylized because at the end of the day it just doesn't matter what the 'canon' is so much as your own interpretation of it. That's just the sort of work touhou is.

>>33517932
This is the most retarded excuse for being lazy and not even caring enough to get to know the canon I've heard, you fucking secondary!

>>33517472
I dont know shit for Japanese, just going off of the translated version on the touhou wiki. Could be a mistranslation for all I know.

I've been typesetting Niy's sekibanki doujins lately and I really like his interpretation where Gensokyo has multiple human villages and different people are at different ones. Somehow, it makes everything feel more lively to me.

>>33520640
>Gensokyo has multiple human villages and different people are at different ones
This is one idea I like over what's canon. Having only one human village seems so limiting.

>>33506615
No fucking clue what the hell is going on with the plot here

>>33520640
Niy does a great job weaving mythology into his stories. Love his loose artstyle too.
Also thank you for your service.

>>33506615
This doujin does something I’ve seen in a couple other doujins, in that it shows Marisa having been disowned by a wealthy/respected/influential family. Well, I’ve only seen that in one or two other doujins.

Is that based on something from canon that I’ve missed? Far as I know we know nothing about Marisa’s upbringing in-canon.

>>33527525
Bro, this is dojinshi with Bato, Domochevski and robo-Reimu, don`t try to search for a logic here.
It was a good laugh, but I don`t know how it`s supposed to be dark. It`s more of a black comedy.

>>33520640
>Niy's sekibanki doujins
Awesome. I've been reading a few Banki doujins lately including the one done by Urin along with the h one he did so more is appreciated.

>>33530198
Oh no I know that’s not even trying to be close to canon.

Just the thing about Marisa being disowned by a wealthy family is something I’ve seen in a doujin before so that made me curious.

>>33415327
>I like Gensokyo depicted as a comfy idealistic setting where things are kept simple and comfy
An interpretation that I've seen a lot in the fan animations is that Gensokyo is kind of in its own dimension that's not caught up in the transient elements of the human world, like wars and such. Also because its only accessible by Yokai or particularly powerful human priests/priestesses, it's got a very sparse population (and it kind of has to since everyone is immortal). If I recall Sanae's story kind of also implies that living in Gensokyo alters your mental state, as she was a human priestess like Reimu that was relatively sane and then slowly became more eccentric as the games went on.

>>33527525
Canonically Marisa broke off relations with her family. I recall her saying in Curiositiws of Lotus Asia that she never wanted to go back to them. Her Kirisame magic shop was originally a family owned business.

>>33415327
>>33536925
Keep in mind, that Gensokyo is a land of the forgotten, which includes forgotten concepts and ideas. So Gensokyo is peacefull and idealistic, at the same time the Outside World must be a horrible place. (And vice versa, Grimsokyo means that the Outside World is utopia).

>>33426693
>that gives gensokyo enough time to change as much as it did
PC-98 isn't set in Gensokyo. PC-98 Reimu watches over a bunch of sealed portals to other dimensions, and either beats up things that slip out, or enters them herself to beat up the things inside. One of these lands is described as "a Gensokyo", but it's not its actual name and most of the characters explicitly don't live there.

>>33406904
A theory I once had was that Merry was a clone of Yukari. Eirin's shady drugs were involved.

>>33527525
>I’ve only seen that in one or two other doujins.
names?

>>33555702
Sekibanki & The Witch by niy

Dont remember where else I’ve seen it

>>33553970
>Eirin's shady drugs were involved.
That's strange no matter how much I think about it.
Creating a human clone of a youkai. uncanny.

>>33553970
I'm glad it's untrue.

>>33553970
I didnt look into the maribel renko albums til recently and was surprised renko is related to tsumireko. Apparently common theory is renko is her daughter? Never would’ve thought those album stories took place in the future, that’s quite a twist.

Maribel does have some kind of border recognition powers and can bypass them in her dreams. No idea if that’s a random ability or if she has some sort of unknown preexisting connection to gensokyo.

>>33573049
>Never would’ve thought those album stories took place in the future, that’s quite a twist.
...you thought we already had a Grand Unified Theory of Physics, moon tourism, and mandatory euthanasia?

>>33574337
I’m only two albums in right now.

So far all that’s happened is they attempted graverobbing and Meribel went to gensokyo in a dream. Haven’t gotten to the scifi stuff yet.

Something about Renko’s name seemed familiar which is what tipped me off. Guess I should get further in before calling it a twist.

>>33574337
We do, anon. It's the Lunarian agents on Earth that are hidding those boons from us.

Fuck 'em Moonies!

>>33574549
They're behind every tragedy. Even on their own soil lmao.

>>33406904
One minor detail in Forbidden Scrollery that has some big implications I believe, is this scene where Remilia mentions that she managed to get her pet chupacabra through "her own routes" which means that not only does Remilia have some contact in the outside world but that there's some individual capable of capturing a chupacabra as well as crossing the barrier in order to deliver it to her

>>33585984
practically everyone seems to have their own routes in this series
mamizou's got some way back to the outside world, remilia does, kanako does
hell, there's a bit in one of the music CDs where renko gets a picture of the netherworld from 'her own connections'

Its mentioned that shimenawa are used to seal the power of entities, so I like to wonder how strong Kanako would be with them all removed.

I'm not a fan of overly stoic Eiki

I like the idea of Reimu and Suika being housemates in a kind of Friends situation

>>33585984
Hm. A bit of this contradicts a chapter of Curiosities of Lotus Asia where it’s stated endangered/extinct animals that are mostly forgotten on the outside are common in gensokyo.

>>33586724
Mamizou even being able to exist outside gensokyo kind of turned the established lore on its head. Gensokyo was supposedly the only place mythical beings like her should still be able to exist. She brought some pretty huge implications about the outside world to the series.

I’ve always liked the idea there are other ‘pockets’ like Gensokyo scatted around the world. Far as I know nothing ever hinted at it in canon though. Seems like a fair share of mythical beings can last in the outside world.

>>33586724
i'd love to see different residents of gensokyo interacting just to get their outside world goods, like as in different pairings you nornally wouldn't see (something goofy like remilia and any other minor character)
though i think in kanakos case, she was already a god of in the outside world so thatbshouldn't be surprising that she can travel back and forth
the real kicker is that everyones just going back and forth under reimus nose
>>33588502
nobody in touhou is a reliable narrator plus there's always some group of people that heavily believe in cryptids like that, just gotta do some mental gymnastics

>>33588502
>Mamizou even being able to exist outside gensokyo kind of turned the established lore on its head. Gensokyo was supposedly the only place mythical beings like her should still be able to exist.
Who is Remilia. What are Lunarians. Who is Kanako. What is Hell. Etc.

>>33588930
>Remilia
>Kanako
Refugees who had to escape the outside world due to lack of faith, but that’s a fair point. Proves they were able to exist outside at least up to that point in time.

>Lunarians
I always had the assumption they only really exist on “Gensokyo’s Moon” which is like a reflection of the real thing. They’re affected by what happens to the real moon, but the reverse isn’t the case. Hence how everything with moon landings worked out. Or are they really supposed to have a big cloaked city on the actual moon?

>Hell
Different forms of hell are still widely believed in, and that’s not something I’d count as a cryptid like the residents of Gensokyo are.

>>33588537
>there's always some group of people that heavily believe in cryptids like that
Yeah, that’s probably the most likely explanation for Mamizou being able to come and go.

>>33589688
>I always had the assumption they only really exist on “Gensokyo’s Moon” which is like a reflection of the real thing. They’re affected by what happens to the real moon, but the reverse isn’t the case. Hence how everything with moon landings worked out. Or are they really supposed to have a big cloaked city on the actual moon?
It's implied that the Great Hakurei Barrier was designed using the barrier around the Lunar Capital as reference.

>>33589809
Really? Where was that implied?

Not that I dont believe you, I’m just curious. Interesting if true.

One interpretation someone came up with I liked was the idea that Yuuka and Letty are the same but she changes to accommodate the season. The videos were hand drawn and had a banger soundtrack and the idea was actually a pretty good one.

>>33462433
>That's a bit too harsh. There's got to be some fan content you like.
Not him but coming back to this, there isn't. There's one or two for every 6 that are shit.
Shou was effectively regulated to pagoda and forgotten.

>>33589809
>It's implied that the Great Hakurei Barrier was designed using the barrier around the Lunar Capital as reference.
?

up we go.

What the hell are magicians?
Are they human? Youkai? Both?

Why is becoming a magician an exception to the ‘humans cant become youkai’ rule?

Are they immortal?

What the fuck is their deal?

>>33620598
>What the hell are magicians?
A magician is someone who researches supernatural abilities in the manner of the Western scientific method, making use of external reagents and power sources to develop a wide variety of spells.

>Are they human? Youkai? Both?
At a certain level of skill, they can cast spells on themselves which permanently alter their metabolism to run on magic instead of food; at this point they're considered youkai, albeit very humanlike ones since the rest of their body is still normal flesh and blood. It's possible to be born with this magic metabolism, presumably because your parents had it.

>Are they immortal?
With further research, they can alter their bodies to stop aging. Before that they age like humans.

>Why is becoming a magician an exception to the ‘humans cant become youkai’ rule?
The rule is "human villagers can't become youkai", so it's unclear if they're an exception. Generally you need to spend decades studying in order to pull it off (and be kind of a weirdo to begin with) which limits how many people would be willing to take it up.

>>33620598
>What the hell are magicians?
I'll come back to this later but I think they're classified as nonhuman. Not necessarily youkai, but not human either.

I have somewhat of a personal headcanon about the Lunarians. From what I can tell there isn’t too much of a difference between a Human, a Lunarian aside from life span and the ability to survive in space, and allegedly having some form of powers (nothing really uncommon in Touhou though). I would like to personally believe that the main difference between a Lunarian and a human is simple.....an estrus cycle. Really think about it, if my memory is right time passes slower on the moon does it not? So the possibility of some sort of estrus cycle doesn’t sound like the most impossible thing. Granted however this is headcanon, no more no less.

>>33631137
It makes sense.
>if my memory is right time passes slower on the moon does it not?
No. The cycle of the moon seems slow but it really isn't. Compared to a celestial body like Jupiter, things on Earth move incredibly fast. I understand what you're saying though.

I like canon the most, but there's a lot that seems left vague just so you can fill it in with stuff. In which case I tend to base my own interpretation off of the myths where the stuff originates to begin with.

>>33620598
>Why is becoming a magician an exception to the ‘humans cant become youkai’ rule?
Source? I don't remember everything regarding that.

>Are they immortal?
They can become immortal. They can abandon the need to eat among other things.

>What the fuck is their deal?
Obsession with knowledge [of magic]. Most Magicians would want to broaden their horizon and have their abilities work the the highest level possible.

>>33641652
From my understanding ZUN deliberately leaves a lot of his work up to interpretation for his fans to speculate with. The fans take what they can work with and make an elaborate story with the characters and the settings shown in the games. It's what I would call a fan-driven game series.

>>33647122
>Source? I don't remember everything regarding that.
No source, but magicians like Alice and Patchoulli are considered youkai and (I mistakenly thought?) Marisa is a magician in training while being friends with Reimu.

She lives outside the village though so I guess she’s exempt from the rule for that reason, even if magicians are considered youkai (which they might not be, maybe some youkai can just become magicians?)

>>33652020
Marisa is referred to as a magician often enough that I think it’s safe to say she’s a magician. Being in training seems like a doujin thing.

It is weird that she’s considered human while Alice is a youkai though. Maybe there are human magicians and youkai magicians.

>>33603856
Yeah, the popular depiction of Shou is pretty bad. A shame since she's one of my favorites, but it seems like even ZUN forgot about her.

>>33661196
She has a few good ones. There was one about Nazrin looking for her, but that one was moreso a Nazrin focused doujin (Non-H) than a Shou one.

Tall buff Yuugi is my favorite fanon.

>>33663719
That one sounds familiar, what is it called?
Speaking of doujins with Shou and Nazrin, I really like Tomobe Kinuko's works. His is one of my favorite interpretations of their past.

>>33664327
I can't find it.
It's the one involving a princess and gold

>>33506615
So Reimu its an AI? Why there are two marisas by the end? What the fuck?

badass utsuho >>>> retard utsuho

>>33666315
Agreed.

>>33666315
>>33667825
badass idiot utsuho is the ‘real’ utsuho

>>33663719
There's also the on Chado did where she encountered Flandre. Sure part of the story was Pagoda but the whole thing was actually pretty cool.

You know one thing I'm surprised we don't see a lot of even in h-doujins (although it's usually the same six setups when that's the case)

Exploring the idea of how some characters experience being in the outside world, especially since canonically Kasen, Yukari and possibly Okina can go back and forth between it and Gensokyo

>>33497223
it's pretty good

>>33416648
You're not looking hard enough

>>33406904
Lots of propaganda about how terrible youkai are, but most of them would rather drink, dine and have a pleasant time with humans.

Actually evil youkai get exterminated on sight or dealt with before they can become a problem.

>>33679597
>For us, humans are just targets for attacking, you know?
Aya Shameimaru, BAiJR, Page 55

>>33679597
Cutesokyo is a fandom thing, anon. In Canon almost all Youkai are dangerous to humans (if they aren't straight up men-eaters). It's usually played for laughts, tho.

>>33681987
>Aya Shameimaru
>Well-known slanderer that sells her newspaper in town

I bet she even has a human boyfriend.

>>33682438
She's the human village's bicycle, if you know what I mean

>>33679597
>>33682333
Cutesokyo with youkai could be a thing if you never left the village. There are a few rare types like sekibanki who presumably live in the village without incident (excepting of course the DDC incident).

Picking them out from the humans might be next to impossible for someone who isn't trained, though.

>>33682438
unlikely.

>>33683118
And then we have types like Keine who downright protect humans.

>>33682333
Grimsokyo is grim

>>33688894
Humans at hakurei shrine are presumably just as off limits as humans in the village. Even if not, what youkai would be dumb enough to try anything with Reimu right there?

That did look like an awesome fucking party at any rate.

>>33689251
>>33688894

Cirno and Daiyousei seem to be having a good time, at least.

I like my dreamcanon.

>>33687437
Well... it probably isn't by choice

>>33695047
>it probably isn't by choice
It's unlikely Aya would find any romantic interest in a human.

>>33406904
None really, i'd stick to te canon all day...

But if i have to make a confession, i would like if canon lore was a bit more serious in tone

>>33406904
I like Cutegrimsokyo - the youkai are suitably monstrous, but they've mellowed out a lot and would rather just get along. So long as you follow the rules and don't get on their bad side, you're not in any real danger usually.

>>33700909
Some interesting ideas from this author, but the rest are just shadow the hedgehege edge for the sake of being edgy.

>>33700909
>zounose

>>33701541
>>33705137
I liked his recipes for dishes made from human meat. I use some of them.

>>33705697
stay away from me cannibal

>>33714952
Make yourself useful and be my lunch.

>>33698296
Who said it's her who's interested

>>33721275
No.

>>33415538
nobody mentions that though

>>33676589
>Exploring the idea of how some characters experience being in the outside world, especially since canonically Kasen, Yukari and possibly Okina can go back and forth between it and Gensokyo
Canonically also Ichirin and all the other playable ULiL characters went to the outside world but their primitive medieval brains couldn't grasp what they saw.

>>33416455
It's ok anon, IOSYS and Judas Mario won't bother you anymore, now they make H*lolive remixes.

>>33736357
Yep. Plus isn't it confirmed in one of the recent manga that Kanako can go back and forth too or something? It's an idea ripe for stories honestly.

>>33738693
She got a sake from the outside so she at least has some sort of delivery channel.

>>33701541
>>33700384
>>33688894
>>33492027
Reminder that Grimsokyo is canon and Kasen has eaten more people than the "edgy fancanon" characters in all Zounose mangos combined.

>>33739101
she's an oni.
what did you expect.

>>33739101
>>33747077
*She's a Youkai. What did you expect?

>>33739101
The perfect waifu

>>33747225
oni*

>>33750608
*slut hermit

>>33750640
oni*
>slut
nice try Sanae.

>>33416455
seething primary

>>33754770
You clearly don't belong here

no arguing please

>>33753252
Bu.. but.. that's what everyone says?!

>>33764165

>>33764178
Holy crackers I thought that was just a meme
Funny that Yuuka was actually top 20 and not higher given the amount of stuff I see of her. Also chuckled at Rinnosuke being dead last.

>>33764178
Wow, it's amazing just how much of an outlier she is.

>>33764737
>>33772214
It's an old chart. Apparently going by pixiv stats at the time.

>>33764178
>>33772820
I did a quick check on pixiv and the oiled tittyfuck whale would be second place at 14.41% R-18 art, while Kasen is still first at 16.12%
Lewd pink is real...

>>33764178
>>33764737
Also Rinnosuke has been dethroned by this loser at 2.48%

>>33773073
Kasen still not dethroned, now that's something. Glad Miyoi is up there for lewds now.

Now I'm curious how the non-H art numbers are these days (I assume Reimu and Marisa are still top dogs).
>>33773121
Bahahaha I didn't think one of the girls could dethrone him but here we are.

>>33773073
Sounds like fierce competition, there's a pretty narrow gap between their porns

>>33773121
Rightfully so.

>>33773121
Wait, I skipped over asking where you found out about the 2% thing.
Link?

>>33530610
>>33524525
I'll probably give that a read.
Here's to hoping I remember to do so.
Also, are they on Dynasty Scans or do I need to dive into EX?

>>33792166
should be on both last i checked

>>33676589
Probably because the present real world is pretty boring

>>33520640
I really like Niy, it's just that his doujins can be pretty hard to tell what's happening since everything looks like it's all garbled up

>>33792201
Ok. Thanks.

>>33773073
When the fuck are we getting her doujin?
or scans of them rather

>>33517127
Flandre strangled Meiling not long after this in that same manga
she was explicitly "a few screws loose" tier sane in EoSD and this was reinstated in CDS

>>33589688
the SDM seemingly moved to Gensokyo on a whim, Flandre even knows what an arcade machine is
They're probably the least refugee of any foreigners in Gensokyo

>>33810997
>Flandre even knows what an arcade machine is
Wait, when was that mentioned?

>>33811003
fight her as marisa

>>33811007
That seemed more like a 4th wall break.

>>33811060
the SDM was a recent migrant that could afford lucrative things like arcade machines (or visit places with them) on a whim
I don't think we should jump the gun and assume it was a joke/4th wall break

>>33811060
>>33811354
How many 4th wall breaks have there actually been in the series?

I can't think of any 'hard' 4th wall breaks, only soft ones like Marisa saying "It's game over for you, Reimu!" after her stage 4 in IN. She seems to know a bit about the outside world, so it's not totally out of place for her to say something like that even if a second meaning is obvious to the player. Same with the 1coin to continue bit she has with Flandre.

There aren't any interpretations that I particularly dislike. They all have their merits. I can understand why one would choose to see it one way or another.

Ones I like? I have a soft spot for ones where Fujiwara is able to become... at least content.
Happiness may be beyond her grasp, in her mind, those melancholy maroon eyes, but I hope that she can look at the moon, the one
fixture of this world as eternal as her, and be satisfied with what she's done lately. Even if it's small things. Clean up the area around.
Tend to the bamboo. Spend more time with Keine. Get hammered watching the plum blossoms fall.

Takuan and rice and tea listening to the summer rains pour through the bamboo,
down to the soft earth and the tile roof.

Her hair's a very interesting color. Have you ever seen ash in the moonlight? Not the yellow
of a harvest moon, but that almost bluish light
of a pure, unclouded full moon in the height of summer.

I just want her to be happy.

>>33811874
Yukari calls Kaguya a curtain-fire shooter addict in IN as well, I think.

>>33812859
Yukari is definitely the weakest of the 4th wall breaks, seeing how she's shown to be very knowledgable of the outside world.

I'm honestly more leaning than Flan was referencing arcade machines, even if she doesn't know what they are. It's possible she picked up the term by osmosis, maybe Patchy talked about them or Remilia had a whim involving them - she's fairly trendy for a 15/16th century vampire

>>33812859
>Yukari calls Kaguya a curtain-fire shooter addict in IN as well, I think.
In TGA, when Renko was jumping around in low-gravity she said "I feel like the protagonist of a shooting game".

>>33811003
>>33811354
>>33812991
The coin thing is an old meme along the lines of "All Your Base". A US arcade game received a Japanese translation where "Insert Coin" became the baffling "コインいっこ" (KOIN ikko). Arcade games made in Japan just say "INSERT COIN" in English.

>>33764178
>Luna in 2nd place
disgusting

Also Pixiv R-18 rules feel like a poor metric, even if it is easy to measure. You can have a girl be almost entirely nude and sopping wet yet that still counts as all-ages.

>>33822971
The numbers don't lie anon, most Touhou fans want to rape the weird chestnut mouth of your favorite fairy.

>>33822971
Hate to break it to you but children are lewd

>>33822971
The R-18 stuff on Pixiv isn't even good, but it fits all ranges of skill if you can call it that.

>>33406904
mostly i hate any of the old fanon interpretations from the olden days, ex alice is a psycho lesbian, flan is crazy, marisa has a harem, so on and so on
mostly the only interpretation (that i suppose you can consider semi canon?) that i love is reimu and marisa being childhood friends

>>33812759
My interpretation of her was more that of an introvert based on how she is described. In my interpretation she spends a lot of time alone but she isn't sad or lonely. She lives like that because she likes it. Maybe she wasn't always like that but the centuries molded her mindset into one that can enjoy the simple pleasures that solitude brings. It's certainly more peaceful and easier on the psyche than being perpetually angry at everything and everyone like she might have been in the past. Even her feud with Kaguya feels more like it is a force of habit that no longer has genuine hatred fueling it. Maybe finally finding a place of peace to exist in within Gensokyo has given her the time she needed to really contemplate the events that brought her there and let go of them to an extent.

Maybe I am projecting a bit with my interpretation of her character though. As a longtime enjoyer of solitude myself, I can't help but see a bit of myself in her. Living the scenarios you described in your post would be sublime and I can't help but feel it would be for Mokou too.

>>33810750
there's at least one out there

>>33831471
Yeah there's one and even then it's not properly tagged