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She can extrapolate the position of a Lunarian mass driver round and intercept it with little to no telemetry.

she's what a few millenia old? You can't be that old and dumb at the same time unless you're faking it hardcore.

Flandre isn't insane. Doesn't Patchy teach her things?

Flandre knows how to count to ten. As long as they die.

>>3318786
She spent 500 years down in that dingy basement alone.
She can't really destroy anything down there, so there isn't much to do.
If one assumes she has been reading and gathering knowledge all that time, one could say she's easily smarter than the majority of gensokyou.
Only contested by "Geniuses" (Ran, Eirin, etc...)

A touhou's intelligence can be measured by their bullet to difficulty ratio. Lots of bullets + easy = stupid. Few bullets + hard = smart. The first might not be true, but the second definitely is.

>>3318847
Flan. Reading the whole time.

What is this shit.

I want to see her fight Yuka

Pretty god damned smart if you ask me.

>>3318850
What else would she do?

I'd like to think of her as the "Insane Genius with 18 in CHA"
Unlike some other uncharismatic vampire.

>>3318864

OH GOD.

>>3318868
She isn't insane. She's locked away so she doesn't accidentally the whole world.

>>3318868

CHA only goes up to 10.

>>3318874
>But I still don't know how to anti-alias text.

>>3318879
because of her insanity

Flan has the mind of a child because she is developmentally stunted from being locked in a basement with little contact for most of her life.

>>3318896

Maturity is part physical, part cognitive and part psychosocial. She is lacking in the first and third categories due to being a basement loli.

Flandre is rather childish but most likely fairly knowledgeable since she has lived for 500 years as a recluse (She isn't just locked down her basement, she doesn't express any real desire to go out. ) High INT, low WIS.

Smart enough to rape China.

>>3318786
kindly requesting the name of what that page is from

>>3318917

Maxed strength, agility and charisma, middling stamina... feels good, man.

>>3318883
No, man.
It all depends how you min/max it.

Does this mean Flandre is knowledgable about dicks?

>>3318961
As much as Patchy is.

>>3318955

Special does not work that way.

>>3318976
SPECIAL is for casuals.
Anyways, you aren't special.
Any game that has such a low stat cap has a shitty stat system.

>>3318990

Oshi, instead of putting 10 points into strength you accomplish the same with 5!

FUCKIN' CASUALS!

>>3319021
What I'm saying is that it's shit easy getting them all at 10.
The stat system is just an accessory.

>>3318961
>>3318970
Flandre and Patchouli play with their own dicks every day, of course they are knowledgable about them.

>>3318939
obnoxiously bumping for this.
image searches find no matches.

>>3319033
That's a flaw with the game, not stat systems with a max of 10.

>>3319033

Special has a special place in my heart because perks are made available with simple skill point and level checks, instead of lists that fluctuate with no rhyme or reason that you're given access to at random levels.

>>3319033
There are more games where the stat system is an accessory than not. Way more.

>>3319038
We aren't refering to stat systems with a cap of 10, you tard.
We're talking about Fallout 3's stat system, SPECIAL.
>>3319042
>instead of lists that fluctuate with no rhyme or reason that you're given access to at random levels.
What are you getting at?
Also, the perks are a joke.

How smart is Flan?
She asked China for homework help.
/thread

>>3319055
DnD is not one of them.

>>3319059
>Implying fanmade 4komas are canon.

>>3319065

D&D's only appeal is an overly complex stat system that gives nerds a hard-on. Everything else is beyond generic.

>>3319074
Theres some general basis on the DnD stat system.
The general dispersion of points may be elusive at first glance, but it is quite intuitive.
Rogue take a lot of Dex, and not much Str
Barbarians have not much use for Int.
etc.etc.
If you can't learn at least that much...
And really, it isn't much more than that, unless you want to min/max like a hardcore munchin, and get you strength to 176.

>>3319066
This is Touhou.
Just about everything fanmade becomes canon sooner or later.

>>3319107
Unless canon is actively trying to contradict itself.
Yea, what now?

>>3319137

Everyone is wrong, no one is right.

>>3319089
But SPECIAL isn't broken; Fallout 3 is.
Play Fallout 1 to see the proper implementation of the SPECIAL system.
Your choices in stat distribution actually mattered there.

>>3319162
That's nice to know.
Maybe I will.

>>3319162
That's nice to know.
Maybe I will try the other fallouts.
But DnD is not overly-complicated in the slightest.

>>3319185
No, but it is arbitrary in many ways. Classes, and the restrictions that come with them, being the strangest.

>>3319215
Do go on.

>>3319221

I don't care to.

>Flandre can destroy anything she wants by moving the "eye" of the object, where the tension is highest, into her hand and pouring her power into it.
Flandre is the head crusher?

>>3319237
No, the "eyes" are the dots of death. Flandre has Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, except in remote mode.

>>3319236
Then I have no idea what arbitrary stat allocations you are talking about are.

>>3319240
>remote mode

Since when is Flandre an android?

>>3319246

That is not what remote means.

Read as "at range."

I am enjoying this thread.

>>3319246
She's a flandroid!

>>3319270

She's the most out of place final boss ever.

>>3319237
Except she doesn't just imagine it.
>>3319245
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_3_SPECIAL
>Changes from Previous Fallout Games
>the SPECIAL system in Fallout 3 is much more forgiving when compared to the first two games: Low ability scores penalize the player less, while high ability scores do not grant as much of a benefit. Where in the first two games lowering a SPECIAL stat to 3 or lower could be a risky move regardless of your character type, characters in Fallout 3 can get away with SPECIAL scores of 1 in particular stats.

FO1, and to a lesser extent 2, punishes the idea of using dump stats, but if you think up a random character, you can probably pull it off, as most of what decides what you're good at is tag skills. You can choose any three of 21 skills as tag skills. Tag skills give a small initial bonus, but also grow 2 to 1 compared to other skills.

Something you should try is an INT 2 character.

>>3319293

But the only worthwhile tag skills are small guns, lockpick and speech so yeah. Also, only people who have played the game correctly half a dozen times try a stupid or hand to hand character.

Get out.

>>3319298

What the fuck.

>>3319296
I made my way with energy weapons, speech, and barter, but yeah, not all skills are worth tagging. Worst ones are science and gambling.
I was going to say it should be on the 3rd or 4th play, but I had deleted and rewrote sections of that post several times, and kinda forgot about that.

>>3319299
Just some bu-ALL HAIL THE HYPNOTOAD.

>>3319298

gb2SA goon

>>3319319

But I'm on probation for forgetting I'm not supposed to mention little girls. ;_;

>>3319321

Holy shit, LegoRobot, that you?

>>3319321
>probation
>for lolicon on SA

lol, no

>>3319337

Yeah man, those fucking nazis on SA would probably permaban you outright for imagining a sweet girl like Rika.

>>3319343
>Rika
>a sweet girl

>>3319349

>>3319361
EX Rika is fine though, bro. Real fine.

>>3319361
A pleasant night scene? I don't see what you're getting at.

>>3318786
She could be as smart as any of the Gensokyo Bigheads depending on who is writing her.

And if not she can atleast pull some pretty convincing mindfuckery.

I'd assume any creature with a few 00's under it's belt would be at least a little wise.

That's one of those reasons I can't say LOL I'D FUCK ________, seriously the crap you'd hear in the foreplay would destroy your meager sense of existence.

>>3319378
Anyone can have any possible IQ level depending on who's writing them, you know.

The question at hand is how did ZUN write her.

Flandre stayed in her basement of her own free will for centuries. Nothing wise about her.

>>3319399
That just means they're really, really experienced.

>>3319413
You make an astoundingly good point.

>>3319413
Sounds perfectly wise to me.

>>3319413
>>3319422

Samefag.

>>3319426
naah bro we just not NEETS

>>3319435
Actually, I am a NEET, brah.
>>3319425
She isn't wise enough to get internet access like Kaguya.

>>Flandre stayed in her basement of her own free will for centuries. Nothing wise about her.

Before she came to Gensokyo, the only thing waiting for her outside the mansion were a whole lot of humans who would eventually gather and want her dead if they ever found out about her and what she could do.

After coming to Gensokyo, the only thing waiting for her outside the mansion were a bunch of fucking lunatics with reality-breaking powers whose only hobbies are beating the shit out each other for fun and drinking tea and/or alcohol, any one of which could easily destroy the world if they ever snapped completely.

Flandre was merely doing what any sane, rational person with an ounce of instinct for self-preservation would do in a situation where setting foot outside meant dealing with either an angry mob out for your head, or a land full of total nutjobs in silly hats who shoot each other for fun. Lock the doors, bar the windows, and stay the fuck inside.

>>3319454
You make an interesting point.

However, Flan can destroy whatever she likes by going kyun.

>>3319448
An insane genius doesn't need interaction with others.
Just look how stupid that NEET is.

>>3319454
fuck I wish my town was that exciting.

>>3319461
Maybe she didn't want to be bothered by the frivolities of society and the strange, time-consuming norms.
She would rather stay home, hone her intelligence and power, and make some plan to break the barrier.

Personally I've always seen Flandre as something of a broken intelligence. Sure, she's not stupid, she's lived for hundreds of years and has to pass the time somehow... unfortunately she's probably not a genius because of it either. She doesn't seem to have the same love for knowledge in the way Patchouli does and seems to spend most of her time playing in the basement. Given all the quirky references ZUN had Flandre and Marisa make, I suppose you could say she likes to read fiction when she's not running strange imaginary tea parties with her broken toys.

Flandre is content with staying in the basement where she doesn't have to experience anything too frightening, but relishes the idea of playing with others when they turn up. Unfortunately, no one really seems to have taught Flandre a sense of scale or proportionate response so she plays with things until they break or she looses interest in them.

Still, imagine how much worse she would be with the internet. At the moment she's just a strange recluse with odd hobbies. I imagine Remilia taught Flandre the spell card rules and rarely has little matches with her so if she does decide to play with people they aren't instantly nuked.

Would Flandre be able to remotely kill posters on an anonymous imageboard?

Because if that's the case, she's immediately at the top of my "Touhou whose power you wish to have" list.

Flandre is more interesting than her sister.

>>3319473

You could argue that seeing as Flan was born with so much power she doesn't really need to seek it through knowledge in the same way Patchouli does.

Flandre gives the impression all she does is read books for fun, murder mysteries, poems, fantasy... whatever catches her eye. Not even obsessively either, just the occasional book to pass the time between other styles of play.

I imagine Flandre playing alone ;_;

>>3319508

Hard to deny, but Remilia is so much easier to write for and give motivation to actually do something in any game. At best Flandre's only motivation for going outside is to play/see the world, something she's had chance to do for hundreds of years and see as ZUN still didn't take the chance to have her explore after EoSD it's less likely with each passing game that she will.

Remilia on the other hand is fully of petty whims, selfishly desiring something goes her way. The snow is bothering me Sakuya, do something about it. She fits a arch type making her a bit less interesting then her sister who is a bit more original, but because Remilia fits the childish, selfish noble arch-type, she can do a lot more. Flandre is a recluse, stories about her usually play on it, it's most of her character.

>>3319509
Your whole argument is refuted by the fact the she is isolated, and does not know the true extent of her power.
You must recognize the amount of time she has been in there.
She doesn't mearly "pass the time" for a couple of centuries.
She's going to ask herself questions, many at that!
If anything, she will scrounge the books with even more fervor than patchoulie.

I like Marisa and Flandre, canon be damned.

>Flandre is a recluse
One of us! One of us!

>>3319531

There are more ways to entertain yourself then to read books. Though I admit Flandre would probably seek to understand the world through books, I can't imagine her trying to understand more about magic then she needs to, it's pointless after a while as she doesn't really have any ambitions and powers granted through magic aren't likely to be any more destructive then she can already be... through creation probably has it's uses.

I imagine she amuses herself other ways, playing like a child would alone fits her character, only with more knowledge. Perhaps she grows bored of fiction and started to write her own plays, plays she enacts by herself, or with her duplication and toys.

If Flandre was a bookish type, it would be made more apparent in her character. Flandre's main characteristic is the fact she's a kind of crazy recluse, childish in nature but well spoken enough to talk normally (at least for Gensokyo standards).

The world is hers to create... in her imagination.

I wonder what ZUN thinks when he sees people debate over the personalities of his characters. I doubt he put anywhere near this amount of thought into them.

>>3319594
ZUN leaves things vague on purpose. He probably likes it.

>>3319589
You can't be a child forever, anon.
And really, what else would she do?
Books change, they are always different.
I'm not mearly saying that she would read specific book,
But a vast quantity of them.

Anyways, I am not portraying her as the bookish type, like patchoulie.
But of the mastermind type, like Yukari.
Just a bit more sly with her life living as a social recluse.

>>3319589
You can't be a child forever, anon.
And really, what else would she do?
Books change, they are always different.
I'm not mearly saying that she would read specific book,
But a vast quantity of them.

Anyways, I am not portraying her as the bookish type, like patchoulie.
But of the mastermind type, like Yukari.
Just a bit more sly with her living life as a social recluse.

>>3319650
You're a madman. I won't hear you characterize Flan like that without even a 4koma backing you up. I WON'T STAND FOR IT.

>>However, Flan can destroy whatever she likes by going kyun.

And there are at least two people in Gensokyo who won't die, even if you kyun them.
There's someone who can kill you at will.
There's someone who can literally make it so you were never born.
You have youkai who can give you every disease ever, control light and sound waves to make you hallucinate, and even create and throw fucking SUNS. And that's not even getting into all the shit Yukari is supposedly capable of.

Compared to some of the other powers in Gensokyo, being able to destroy anything at will just seems kinda...bland.

I preferred the stat system discussion.

>>3319755
Kaguya and Mokou are toys that'll never break. Flan would LOVE them.

>>3319767

They would just kill Flan, and probably burn down the rest of the mansion too.

>>3319755

>And there are at least two people in Gensokyo who won't die, even if you kyun them.

They still won't enjoy it very much.

>There's someone who can kill you at will.

Read that power closer.
"Invoke death in MORTALS".
It might not even WORK on Youkai, who may be considered immortal.

>You have youkai who can give you every disease ever

She really doesn't like to do that though.

>control light and sound waves to make you hallucinate

I'd say useless, but Reisen's power theoretically allows her to control electromagnetic waves of ANY SORT... which includes BRAINWAVES. She could literally control your mind, with fine-tuned precision.
... But she's a useless bunny, only good for her sex appeal.

>and even create and throw fucking SUNS

I'll give you the hell crow.

>And that's not even getting into all the shit Yukari is supposedly capable of.

Bullshit mary sue is bullshit

>>3319765
What sort of stat system would be appropriate for a touhou RPG?

>>3319680
While I neither have the ability to write, nor the talent to draw, I assure you, what I think of is a beautiful thing.
The Embodiment of Scarlet Devil Extra stage...
You think that was Flandre's dull power? Oh, no!
She was simply testing how strong the people outside were.
A precursor to a monarchy, with Flandre as queen.

>>3319650

I agree you can't be a child forever, but Remilia is having a good go at trying and I can't imagine Flandre is too different. It's more their nature and the fact they are ever really corrected the way you would expect a normal person to be during their growth. Remilia has always done whatever she wanted and only seems to get punished when the hero turns up and beats her down which is so rare she gets fascinated by it. That said, Flandre is different because she has Remilia as a kind of control measure, someone who will say 'no' to her.

With Flandre it's... well to be honest thinking about it you'd expect her to be a little more mature then Remilia but with the dialogue she gets it seems she is just as childish, but in a different way. Perhaps it's just a cute act playing up to her form in the same way you'd expect from Tewi or other old, loli youkai.

Still, I can't see Flandre as some kind of genius on the scale of Yukari or Eirin, maybe Ran on a stretch with Ran being much better at math (as it's her thing), I can't imagine highly advanced math being something Flandre cares for, I like the idea she's into literature.

I'm not trying to big up Yukari and Eirin here though, you've got to bear in mind they are written to be beyond genius level intellects, masterminds at their fields who have lived at least twice as long as both the Scarlet vampires, perhaps even together. Remilia and Flandre certainly aren't stupid though, it's just hard to compare them to characters who are defined by their longevity and intellect.

>>3319781
A new stat system fit for gensokyo.
That, or DnD.

>>"Invoke death in MORTALS".
>>It might not even WORK on Youkai, who may be considered immortal.

I doubt that. When Yuyuko met Mokou, she was genuine afraid of her. If even just a majority of youkai were truly immortal, I can't see why meeting one more being she couldn't kill would get that sort of reaction from her.

Besides that, if youkai were truly immortal, I think Shikieiki would have known better than to try to KILL Yuka in PoFV. Being the judge of the dead and all, she would know better than to try to kill someone who couldn't die, don't you think?

>>3319864
The difference I am trying to press is that Remilia has something to do, while Flandre has effectively nothing.
I never said that Flandre was a genius on par with Eirin or Yukari, but if she spent most of her time reading, as I said, she might be close to them because of the years she has lived doing nothing but.
I can't see Flandre having with the same personnality if she had stayed in isolation for 500 years. She wasn't exactly in stasis.

If you add that childish personnality with mental prowess as well as strength, she might see the inhabitants of genokyou as nothing but toys to play with. (much like many evil masterminds)

>>3319781

BESM, hell, I've made some effort towards writing a Gensokyo setting for BESM with the player characters asked to make new characters around average youkai strength, be it human youkai hunters, youkai or very minor gods. The overall campaign would involve a original 'incident' that effects all of Gensokyo and then have the group (depending on how they build their characters, ideally they need to make sure they don't clash with human hating youkai or youkai hating hunters) deal with the consequences of the incident on their daily lives.

Though I've gotten lazy finishing off all the existing characters in advance, I want to have it fleshed out so I know who could be encountered (some are very unlikely to get involved or even met) and then aim to use existing characters sparingly and then make the usual number of new characters like a new game for parts of the main storyline. It's cheesy as all fuck having cameos all the time especially if it makes no sense.

Problem is I'm lazy and BESM is more a catch all system that isn't perfect but will allow a lot of strange and interesting powers with a simply easy to remember mechanic for most things. Plus dodging is hella easy and annoying in BESM.

>>3319930

Problem with that is it requires Flandre to have some kind of ambition and she really doesn't seem to have any. She's strangely content with being at home, something that has never really been explained in a definitive way, does Remilia use force to keep Flandre isolated, or is it Flandre being a good girl? Does Flandre prefer staying in the basement? Is she scared of the outside world? Flandre has a lot that has never been explained about her character. So I can't say for sure what she is like.

However, I don't see Flandre as some kind of mastermind seeking to play with Gensokyo. It would make her more interesting, no doubt and it's not infeasible for her to have the intelligence, but it's not the impression she gives. Somehow she seems content with her situation, plus I find it hard to imagine she's got bored of everything but books. Yeah, 500 years is a lot of time but having a lot of time doesn't mean she's spent 500 years just reading books, that would imply the sort of obsessive bookish personality Patchouli has. More likely she's spent 500 years doing different things, more in keeping with her image finding new, sometimes creepy weird ways to play with herself (hurr durr). That isn't to say she hasn't read much about the outside world, just that it's not her sole activity.

Or tl;dr - stop trying to fit a square shaped Flandre into a circle shaped hole. She's not a evil mastermind waiting to happen. A disaster perhaps...

>>3320010
Flandre is a GOOD GIRL.

>>3320043

Yes, she is.

>>3320010
If the circle is big enough, the square will fit.
Anyways, it seems her plan is working well...

The best girl.

I like how Flandre was portrayed in LA-SDM (which sadly seems to have vanished):
Basically she has the personality of a child, but is still able to read the vibes people send out subconsciously, like being able to tell when stuff goes wrong and everyone tries to hide it from her as a matter of disaster prevention.
Her personality also switches from time to time to that of an actual centuries-old vampire aristocrat, especially when she is treated as a child rather than a friend for extended periods of time - which is what Remilia is probably afraid of.

>>3320231
It's great that you like fanon, but canonically Flandre has no social experience and is a NEET.

>no social experience
Quite normal for a child-like personality.

>NEET
Her sister is too, as she doesn't work hurrdurr.

Its always the insane who turn out to be geniuses.

>>3320231

What does that abbreviation stand for?

>>3321281
http://www.sentrygun.com/touhou/cyoa/LA-SDM.html