/jp/ - Otaku Culture

alright i'm in

who let the kodomo in

Last game for me tonight.

I am due some yakuman and it seem tonight is a good night for yakuman. We got like what, 5yakuman so far?

how does I mahjong?

>>3291708
I love that picture, bravo anon.

I didn't have a yakuman yet... that make me sad

上げ

>>3291721
Discard tiles at random while hoping you don't deal into someone's hand.

i went to the lobby and noone else was there

so i went to 0000 and played japs instead

>>3291721
Learn from Cirno.

It is a disgrace that you can't mahjong while Cirno can.
Watch Akagi for the basic and go read up the riichii sheet at http://arcturus.su/tenhou/

Is there a name for when your starting hand is full of single honors that you have to spend 5 discards on? I hate that.

>>3291912
You can press the redeal button if you has that I think.

How do I know if a jackass has left the game

>>3291912

Depends on what you want to try for.

>>3291921

Their name is in red, I think.

>>3291921
The player name is red.

>>3291937
what if the name was red for a bit then back to white?

>>3291943
It means he left and then came back.

>>3291950
oh

Wow, best game I've ever played.

>>3291967

Not my best game ever, but I started to feel sorry for the other players.

>>3291967
Only game you won right?

>>3291987
No but only game where I got 3 ura-doras twice in a row.

How do I get a good hand? I don't really know how to play this.

>>3292015

Read this for the rules:
http://mahjong-europe.org/files/riichirules_EN.pdf

Print this for easy reference (at least until you learn everything):
http://mahjong-europe.org/files/riichisheet_EN.pdf

Note that the EMA is using Chinese/American terminology for Chii (chow), Pon (pung), Kan (kong), and a few other bits.

>>3292052

Hell, here's the chart from my quick & dirty compendium to the EMA rulebook.

--- Correction in terms ---
The EMA uses Chinese mahjong terminology instead of the proper Japanese.

EMA | Correct | Typical Slang

Circles | Pinzu | Pin
Bamboo | Souzu | Sou
Characters | Manzu | Man
Winds | Kaze
Dragons | Sangenpai

Chow | Chii
Pung | Pon
Kong | Kan

>>3291636
OP, next time you make a Mahjong thread, use this pasta to avoid useless posts:

Let's play!

http://www.tenhou.net/0/?L7447

For beginners
Everything you need to know about tenhou itself can be found here http://arcturus.su/tenhou/

Explanations for the tiles, rules, scoring etc can be found here:
http://www.ofb.net/~whuang/ugcs/gp/mahjong/mahjong.html
http://www.japanesemahjong.com/reachmahjong/intro.htm
http://www.delfosse.com/mahjong.html
http://www.reachmahjong.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=99
http://www.sloperama.com/mjfaq/mjfaq01.htm
http://www.reachmahjong.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=24&It
emid=67&limit=4&limitstart=8

http://arcturus.su/~alvin/mj/riichirules.pdf
http://arcturus.su/~alvin/mj/riichisheet-ema.pdf
http://arcturus.su/~alvin/mj/riichisheet-dk.pdf
http://arcturus.su/~alvin/mj/sywtpmj-1.4.doc

Games to test your Knowledge:
http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html
http://arcturus.su/tenhou/scorequiz/yaku.html
http://arcturus.su/tenhou/scorequiz/

Please read 2-3 sites before playing and even then try the singleplayer games first.
Playing without knowing what you do is not only frustrating for yourself but also for your
opponents, a player that left because he couldn't ron for his no Yaku hand or because
someone ron'd his discard just kills the whole fun for everyone.

Also keep in mind that Mahjong is more a game of "not losing" than straightforward winning.
Furthermore you play with 3 other people and luck plays a big part in it, so dont expect to
win more than 1 out 4 games, especially not as a beginner.

If you read some of the linked sites and still have questions feel free to ask.

Usually, a game with two hanchans lasts around 30 minutes, so please, if you're not going to stay until the end, be respectful towards the other players and don't join a new game.

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Was playing the SLOWEST FUCKING GAME EVER (also east only lol) with the East keep winning on tinyass hands FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

I won in the end though +42

What a horrible fucking game; didn't win a single hand.

WhenIWas on a roll

I know I'm going to pay for that luck. I picked up mahjong two days ago and decided to practice a bit. First I randomly get 2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-6-6 pins on a bizarre seven pair hand, then my next hand ends with rinshan out of double kan.

This game is more fun than expected.

That's the second time in a few days I've lost to a rinshan.

Fuck year, rin shan kai hou.

Also, if you're looking for a set of tiles:

japanese-mahjong.com/mjgoods.html
www.mahjongmart.com

If anybody knows another site to order tiles from please post 'em. The sets offered by Yellow Mountain Imports and the Washizu styled set offered by Mahjongmart have been confirmed as crap.

Bump for more players in ari red.

>>3292308
I was tempted to purchase from japanese-mahjong.com but I was turned off by the ridiculous $55 S&H they charge. That's more than the set itself, no way I'll pay that much. Google hasn't really turned up any other good source, unfortunately.

Someone find me a good set.

Anybody up for a game?

ξ・∀・）

>>3294314
MOE~

>>3293184

The reason shipping is so high is that they ship from Japan, via EMS only. If you're unfamiliar with the service, it's the international version (kind of) of 2 day domestic. It takes 3 to 6 days to get your parcel to you, and it goes by air, not by sea. And with how heavy a mahjong set is, the shipping charges are high.

>>3293184
Like I have said in the other thread.

Go to the nearest china town and get a chinese set.
You won't get the red five and the haku come with window.

Also eat more ice cream sticks and use them as your riichi sticks and points.

>>3294913

In addition, I don't know what your financial situation is like, but you'll probably have more difficulty finding three additional players (who will play on a semi-regular basis) than coming up with the hundred bucks for a starter set. And if you can find the players, think about the years of enjoyment (it's not like the sets wear out) you'll receive via riichi. Ron.

Bump for players for some fast game.

>>3294897
>>3294314
merupo merupo~

Why would he discard the 8s, not that I'm complaining.

>>3295015
6-9s already thrown.

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>>3295015
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>>3295015
He would be furiten for that wait. Are you playing for the first time or what?

>>3295015
The question is:
Why didn't he discard those 3 honors from the start instead of getting into a furiten situation?

>>3295068
The other question is:
Why is there a red 5 (and 4 man) as his first discard when he has 3 other 5man in his hand now?

Are you sure this player wasn't just in tsumokiri form the start?

Let's play.

2:0

Still waiting for more people.

>>3295076
He probably left or went afk.

Such an awesome hand to. 4555m, 678s, 6688p

>>3295064

No need to be a douche, I just missed that and asked to learn more.

>>3295193
Learn to play, fucking faggot. Or don't play.

>>3295211
But I'd take the furiten over dealing in someone hand any days.

>>3295237
But you're not as edgy and cool as>>3295211
so you don't get to play

>>3295242
I know I never won with a yakuman that make me sad.

Rotten luck

Cut it out with the elitist shit.

More players in 7447 is good, no matter their skill level. Those newbies will learn as they go, the only real way to learn.

7447 should be a friendly atmosphere where we all can learn the game and have actual fun.

If you want tournament level play go to 0000 or the Dan only channels.

>>3295367

Exactly. You're not going to be good (or even passable) until you've played hundreds of rounds anyway. Anyone who tells you else wise is either bullshitting or trying to cheer you up.

>>3295367
Enjoy your 4 player games with two leavers after 5 minutes. I, for one, won't, and will chase away the people who just want to have some fun clicking everywhere randomly when there's a shiny button that appears.

What Would You Discard?

>>3295390

Not seeing why player A discarded tile B instantly doesn't automatically make you a shit Saki fanboy player who randomly calls pons and chis and then wonders why he can't ron.

>>3295403
The three 1p in a row for three safe turns.

Then the wind pair.

>>3295403

Sha

>>3295408
I didn't say that. I was just replying to the "Cut it out with the elitist shit" part of his post.

>>3295403
a) discard 5p hope for that 1 bamboo to show up
b) discard the bamboos hope you get 5p one 5pin and ron someone.

That hand pretty much looks like LOSE/LOSE sitaution

>>3295425
no, sorry...

>>3295422
>>3295417
1pin for the remaining 3 turns is the best.

If you can't deal with the occasional quitter, then stop playing on tenhou. It happens no matter where you go.

I've had good games even with names in red text.

>>3295425
You need to learn to play defensively. Discarding a red 5p in this situation is the worst choice possible. He's got a lot of points and doesn't need to complete his hand at all, on the contrary, he needs to avoid losing points at all cost because there's another player with a high number of points as well.

>>3295367
Sorry but that is just you.
Before my first game in tenhou I read up on http://arcturus.su/tenhou/ so I know what all the flashing buttons do/mean. Also I play it with the riichii sheet open so I know all the yaku.

Sure I didnt win the first few games but I didnt rage quit and I stay till the end.
And no you don't need to play 100games to know what you are doing. Frankly speaking I think after 5games I already know most of the basic and I can even play them without the riichi sheet now.

There are tons of new people 7447 which actually bother to learn the rules and they are good players unlike the rest of the leavers.

>>3295390
I agree with this guy, either you learn to play and stay till the end or don't play at all. We don't need another 13tiles dead wall.

>>3295444
Well, after all, you're right, it's so much fun to play 1V1 Mahjong with an additionnal dead wall of 26 tiles. I hope there'll be some leavers next time I play.

>>3295444
Enjoy having a 1V1 match with the dealer dominating in ren chan and not having the other 2players help you in bumping him off.

>>3295501
I will, thank you. Situation changes and creates a new challenge.

Sanankou
Toitoi
Akadora

Last round comeback into first place

oops, messed up at the end there

Anyone else playing this? If so, any tips on getting some actual words in the dialogue boxes? I'm getting random roman letters and some katakana mixed with weird dots.

>>3295760
Change your locale to Japanese?

>>3295812
locale?

South 4th comebacks, fuck yeah.

Seriously, don't deal 4s a turn before the end if you're in the lead. How stupid can you get?

>>3295760
Where do I get this?

>>3295828
>>>/rs/sakijan

>>3295822
1. He's in riichi, so he didn't really have a choice.

2. Don't be an obnoxious faggot.

>>3295822
Wow, your penis must be huge.

>>3295831
Thanks

fuck I'm stupid, riichi'd on a single wait that had already been kan'd

>>3295822

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>>3295822
>Complaining about the discards of someone in riichi.

Haha oh wow.

fuck you ;_;, won't let me make a comeback

FUCKING LAG! I know I hit ron before that other guy did!

>>3296075

>>3296075
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．

Time for the "Night time Europe daily Mahjong games".

>>3295880
Rate means nothing until you've played 400+ games. It's not an accurate measure until then.

where are you guys?

Today I got double ronned for the first time ever.

My ass feels sore.

I don't even bother waiting in 7447, I'm never there "early" enough when the threads just get made and the games are already in session and nobody else is in the lobby

Playing with japs is better than playing trashy anons

>>3296182
I'm hurt.

Wow, nice work dumbass. He's called 3 times, he has all dots. So what do you deal? Not fucking dots, Jesus Christ.

>>3296182
There's three of us waiting on a game right now, hurry!

>>3296211
To be honest, I was so happy I could be able to complete a Nagashi Mangan once in my life that I didn't even look at what you guys called/discarded. Also, take it easy, will you?

A robbed kan!

Too much mahjong leads to ASSPAIN.

>>3296211
Lies.

There is only a EAST only game going on.

1:0 ari red/ari red fast.
;_;

I wonder if "irlgirl" is really a girl.

>>3296270

Let's go, Ari red fast.

and that is how you throw a hissy-fit when you're in last place. way to go, dick

Shouldn't have melded that kan, bro.

>>3296281
What the fuck are you talking about, my dear sir?

>>3296280
Girl you craaaazy

>>3296290
I'm not a girl, but I can play pretend if you want. :3

>>3296286
IT'S LIKE I'M REALLY YUMI

>>3296302
Actually, it's quite common to choose a wait on a pon someone called in order to try a direct hit on that player.

I'm not sure if Saki is the best or worst thing to ever happen to the English mahjong community.

>>3296313
Seems to rely on too many assumptions. Well, I wouldn't do a closed or edge wait like that, but maybe if it was a double-sided or double-pair wait.

>>3296315
I don't know about that, but it sure deserves the 25 minutes I spend each week watching the new episode. Also, this week feels empty without episode.

Well, well, less talking, more mahjong.

3 more people needed to start a third game.

>>3293184
Search for "riichi mahjong" on amazon.com

Newbies should try to make closed hands with riichi.

>>3296363

How to play like a noob but still make yaku:

1. Have two honors? Wait for a third and go yaku-hai.
2. Don't have two honors? Discard all your honors and go for All Simples/Tanyao.

>>3296363
This is almost how I feel... I'm sorry I can't calculate what my hand's worth... And I misunderstood how dora worked before yesterday... I feel worthless

Don discard dangerous tile when you only got 4000points!!!

>>3296399
If you want a mnemonic for remembering the Dora Indicator order of Dragons, just imagine it going upwards from the least aggressive to the most aggressive.

White = good natured and lives in the clouds
Green = lives in the forests, a bit more savage
Red = firebreating, evil volcano type.
(and from the highest, it wraps around to the lowest)

Yes, that's actually how I remember it.

>>3296416
How's that tile dangerous?

>>3296425
No it was worse than that I tought the dora tile applied to terminal (or every other honor of the same type) I'm still bad tough

>>3296357

The only riichi set on Amazon is the shitty YMI version.

>>3296444

riichi, pinfu, dora 1 = 5600
4600 - 5600 = -1000

>>3296444

riichi, pinfu, dora 1 = 5800
4600 - 5800 = -1200

>>3296457
Oh, you've checked it out yourself? If you give such a review of it's quality, I'll guess I'll look elsewhere for a set.

Though, really, it's not like Red Fives are really all that important to playing Riichi Mahjong. You can easily get by with a traditional Chinese set.

>>3296478
How's he supposed to know you need the 6 pin?

Just one more player for East Only Ari Red.

>>3296519
Learn the basic Mahjong defense: http://www.osamuko.com/2009/02/18/umaikeiki-defense-guide-betaori-and-suji/

>>3296515

The traditional chinese set is hueg though. I once had a CHinese set but bought a riichi one while I was in Japan. It is much more comfortable playing with the Japanese one. Seriously, the huge Chinese pieces are annoying. I suggest looking on ebay.
But there also should be some J-goods shop offering them.

How do you teach a beginner what Ryuuissou is with the chink set?

>>3296416
Actually if you'Ve just got that little points it doesn't really matter. If you fold you're gonna end up last anyways so you might as well go for it and take the risk. Also chances are people are gonna overlook your tile since they don't want the game to end yet, so yeah.

>>3296554
beato was east.
I wouldn't mind a 3han hand if I can renchan away after that.

I am so bad. I think it's time for a break after that game...

Damaten is better when someone has so few points.

>>3296569
The worse thing is he kill my dealer with a 1k chanta hand the next turn.

>>3296570
if you take a break now, do you believe you can improve?

>>3296614
No, but I believe I can eat food.

>>3296614
I think breaks are essential, if you just keep playing and playing you're thinking will get narrow and you won't be able to improve. Take a break now and then!

Fap to lolis then play again.

>>3296527
There any other english sites about basic strategy like this? I tried googling but all I could find was rules explanations...

-48

Man I feel disgusted with the way I play.
Time to takebreak.

>>3296728
see
>>3292070

another one bites the dust

bump, need 1 more player.

>>3296694
koromo! NO!

JUST PLAYED A GAME WITH 2 LEAVERS FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Good thing it was an East only and ended after a few minutes

I'll be back. I can't believe how unlucky I was that time. Except for the last discard. I just wanted to end myself.

Oh, I lost with negative points.

>>3297054
1919x1199? Really? Where the fuck did my pixels go?

Why did you pass up the win?
Thanks for the win.

>>3297104
Need to go toilet, so meh. Might has well end it.

This is why I hate to see useless kan.
It should be yakuhai, dora 1(2900) hand.

>>3297104
>>3297137

Mr Noname pass up the win.
I thought I was fucked already after I threw that.

>>3297144
It's even worse when the kan happens to give a random player some dora.

/jp/ should play East only more. It's way easier to fit it into your "stuff to get done" schedule.

That's scary.

>>3297416
That would be honroutou, toitoi, yakuhai 1 (8000).

>>3297426
Dragons aren't terminal tiles?

>>3297434
What? You thought you had a yakuman?

>>3297434
Chinroutou(yakuman) = 1 and 9 only
Honroutou(2 han) = 1, 9, winds and dragons only

>>3297416
Not really. But I was too greedy to let it go.

>Deleted a post because he failed at yakuman

The guy sitting west gets raped for 18000 on the 3rd go around, and I spent the rest of the game trying to catchup to the faggot that ron off him, got close but still failed by 1000

I think I need to start playing with a yaku list next to me...

Looks like mahjong is getting pretty popular now.
Would anyone be interested in getting a tournament going?
Been going through the tools and options myself and it doesn't look very complicated.

>>3297574
Cool shop bro.
But enjoy raging organizing it when everyone got different timezone and playing time.

>>3297574
I prefer 東南.

>>3293184
Went down to Japantown and got me a Riichi set, is identical to the "Sango" set displayed on that site. Cost me $90, but still ended up being cheaper than ordering...guess I got lucky.

Let's play, East-Only Ari Red!

>>3298183
waiting on one more player

>>3297506
You just have to play more often and memorizing the more common yaku comes naturally, and then the rest is easy. I would think the yakumans are the hardest since they almost never come up.

1 more for 三麻 東南, anyone?

>>3297574
That would be pretty awesome.

Not Yakuman, but still epic. The game ended in one round.

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>>3298740
13 han = kazoe yakuman

>>3298780

Oh, didn't know about that. So I guess I can die peacefully now, knowing I have created a yakuman hand.

>>3298812
Try satisfying three yakuman conditions at once. The chances are about one in ten quintillions, good luck.

>>3296515

I did own a set of the YMI tiles before I gave them to a friend who wanted to learn. Overall quality is akin to what one would expect if you bought them from the Wal*Mart game department.

>>3298863
Sorry, seems I got my permutations wrong, you should have a significantly less chance of about 4 x 10^-26. Still, keep your hopes up.

>>3298921
What are the chances of a Tenhou Suuankou-tanki Daisangen Tsuuiisou?

>>3297992

So...who are you going to play with

>>3298933
Forgot Suuankou, it is the same. Roughly one in 3.7 x 10^26, if I didn't forget to account for something.

The chance should be something like

(4, 3) (4, 3) (4, 3) (4, 2) (4, 2) (4, 2) / (136, 14)

>>3298933
Oh fuck it, forgot to put in a four in the calculator. Sorry again, the chance is something like

(4, 3) (4, 3) (4, 3) (4, 3) (4, 2) (4, 2) (4, 2) / (136, 14)

which is about 1,5 x 10^-25.

>>3299005
Just curious, how are you calculating that? This looks like an extremely difficult problem, considering all possibilities.

>>3299052
I can only do it because it's a Tenhou, so I can tell the later game to fuck off and only bother with the initial hands. Give each identical tile a designation, so that say, east wind tiles are E1, E2, E3, E4. Now there are 136! / (136 - 14)! (which I denote by (136, 14) because I have no clue how to do the actual permutation denotation here) combinations you can get with your initial hand.

You need 3 of each wind out of 4 total, so for your east wind you can have (E2, E3, E4) or (E1, E3, E4) or (E1, E2, E4) or (E1, E2, E3) - or 4! / (4 - 3)! = 4 options. Repeat for all four winds.

Any dragon is fine to complete your hand, and you need two of them so 4! / (4-2) ! = 6 possibilities for each dragon. There are three kinds of dragons you can use, so multiply that result by three - fuck me, seems I multiplied them with each other. That's what I get for attempting calculation when I should be sleeping. Still, that's kind of embrassing, I put them on the same scale with the winds.

Anyway, you have a 4 x 4 x 4 x 3 x 6 / (136! / 122!) chance to get that monster of a hand if I didn't do another retarded error, but even if I did, rest assured the odds are pretty astronomical.

Can anyone tell me the japanese term for the terminal tiles?
And for a 'suit' in general.

>>3299095

Terminals are called "yao chu". Or maybe that's terminals and honors. I'm pretty sure I heard that in Akagi.

>>3299094
I don't think you included the single pair wait required for the Suuankou-tanki.

>>3299100
Yao chu are terminals and honours.

Is there a riichi score calculator?

>>3300019
What's a riichi score?

>>3300019
I think you mean a han/fu table.

No, no, I mean a program where I would input my hand and some other circumstances (searing, active wind, dora, etc.), and it would output how much money other players would have to pay me.

>>3300078
did you mean points?

>>3300078
>money

>>3300078
While that seems handy, counting the han/fu for a hand and looking it up on the chart is much faster, or just memorize the chart like the pros do.

>>3300092
Is there a guide to count the fu somewhere or just the list of fu that was linked in >>3292070 ?

I want to learn the scoring but that's no help.
Probably because the wall of text.

>>3300110
http://www.mahjongtime.com/mahjong-japanese-scoring-4.html

Dude. Google. Use it.

>>3300122
okay, but mahjongtime just confuses me.
it does not use the terms I'm used to.
something else?

>>3300126
also
that's just yet another wall of text.

>>3300126
Fuck you man. GOOGLE. INPUT "mahjong scoring rules".

LOOK FIRST FOUR WEBSITES. AVOID THE WEBSITES YOU DON'T LIKE. PICK THE OTHER ONE. ENJOY.

http://www.mahjonged.com/scoring_hands.html

>>3300134
Are you frustrated?

>>3300110
http://arcturus.su/~alvin/mj/riichisheet-ema.pdf
(from the list above) is all you need.

Let's say your hand looks like this

1111 (closed kan) 456 789 345 中 (waiting on 中)
Then you have
20 base or if tsumo
+10 (if closed ron)
32 closed kan terminal 1111
2 single tile wait
2 pair of dragon
so in case of Ron (30+32+2+2 = 66 always round up ~70)

I am frustrated.
;_;..I only came in second place.

1:0 ari red fast / nashi

2:0

Yum

>>3300158
Ｑｕｅｓｔｉｏｎ．
Ｆｕ　ｏｎｌｙ　ｍａｔｔｅｒ　ｗｈｅｎ　ｔｈｅ　ｈａｎ　ｖａｌｕｅ　
ｉｓ　ｌｅｓｓ　ｔｈａｎ　５　ａｍ　ｉ　ｒｉｇｈｔ？

1:0

So ronery

>>3300644
Yes, although some rulesets allow calculation if the value is higher than than the limit hand.

It's also needed for the skyrocketing rules (what's the Japanese name for this?)

1:0 on Ari Red. ;_;

>>3300807
Ｇｉｖｅ　ｍｅ　６ｈｏｕｒｓ．　Ｉ　ａｍ　ａｔ　ｗｏｒｋ　ａｔ　ｔｈ
ｅ　ｍｏｍｅｎｔ．　Ｇｏｎｎａ　ｒａｐｅ　ｙｏｕ　ｗｈｅｎ　Ｉ　ｇ
ｅｔ　ｂａｃｋ　ｈｏｍｅ．

>>3300811

Why do you insist on using that font?

Holy god, L7447 is so empty at that time of the day. There was 4 simultaneous games yesterday around evening.

>>3300814
>>3300814
Forgot to change back to normal font after I posted on the other thread.
Why does it matter? It is still legible right?

>>3300811
Ｉ’ｌｌ　ｂｅ　ｈｅｒｅ，　ｗａｉｔｉｎｇ．

>>3300830
I feel so warm when I play against you irlgirl. I hope you're a trap.

I swear to fuck the game registers every tile i discard and then makes me draw it right away, this happens so much lately it makes me so sad.

>>3301697
that happens more often than you think
if it happens in a parlour you'll suspect tsumikomi or ganpai

>>3301705

It is so demotivating.

>>3301705

I don't even.

>>3301705

It is so demotivating.

>>3301705
What happens REALLY often is to discard something during the first 6 turns, and then discarding the exact same tile on the second line of discards just below.

>>3301761

Why did you reup you jerk, I wasn't done editing.

>>3301697
The wall is fixedly built before using every hand by using mersenne twister alogrithm.

>>3301794
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>>3300830
Ｉｎ　ｑｕｅｕｅ　ｎｏｗ．　Ｈｏｐｉｎｇ　ｔｏ　ｒａｐｅ　ｓｏｍｅ　
ｇｉｒｌｓ．

>>3302044
Yes. No one will play a live dragon unless they are that stupid.
Either way you still get a good hand. If they do play into you with the 5 manzi

Bumping for players.

In return 2.5D Hajime.

>>3302142

Good games.

>>3302356
I don't know why it is tanoshii to deal in so willingly, but he will eventually learn that it's more fun to keep the points one earned then just to win.

>>3302065
Hmmm. Imagine if he could Kan the white, green, and 7m into a rinshan tsumo of the red. That would break the game.

>>3302381
whatever.
that's still just a "simple" DSG and nothing more

What are the highest ranked players that regularly play in 7447 anyway? Anyone 5 dan or above?

>>3302488
http://arcturus.su/tenhou/mlist/

>>3302515
A hell of a lot of the players there don't actually play much, I'm asking who people regularly see.

>>3302515
><Alvin> oh way to link http://arcturus.su/tenhou/mlist/
><ramus> say we have tenhoudans
><Alvin> shit is broken

This is horribly written and I've seen it reset itself several times. I might rewrite it one day. Highest ranked player ever to play in 7447 was 7dan, though.

>>3302522
Actually, I'm not ranked but I play really often at 7447. I'm stuck at 1500.

>>3302522
Highest regulars in 4p are probably Quills and Yttrasil.

I'm practicing defensive play now. My goal isn't to get 1st or anything, just to make sure I'm never, ever ronned

>>3302546

not like you'll be okay if they just tsumo
a little offense is needed too.

>>3302546
Also, stealth tempai is almost undetectable against online players.

>>3302546

What are you going to do when they discard a 5man, a Sha and a Hatsu, then Riichi?

>>3302612
Flip the table

>>3302612
>5man, a Sha and a Hatsu

I dunno, I don't speak weeaboo.

>>3302612
You can start doing betaori even after a double riichi, you just happen to need more luck during the first turns if you can't discard anything safe.

>>3302622

Whatever, three tiles, then they Riichi, or Five, how are you going to defend against that?

What if you are in Tenpai for a 12000 point hand, are you going to break that apart because you are scared?

if you don't take risks you'll never win.

fucking cunts walking around in my house bothering me while I play

>>3302632

You would go into defense after a Double Riichi?

>>3302622
五萬、西、発、
better?

>>3302633
>if you don't take risks you'll never win.

Yes, but that situation will only come up .005% of the time.

Also, if someone riichi's on the third turn, you can at least estimate (emphasis) that they have an easy to get hand, like Pinfu or All Simples. So you can play your discards around that.

Plus, even if they've only dropped three tiles, you can see what else their furiten by what other people discard and doesn't get called. I feel like you can defend pretty reliably even against a 3rd turn riichi.

>>3302642
This depends on my points, and at what moment in the game.

If I had the lead and it was the last hand? Of course I'd play defensively against any riichi, double or not.

>>3302642
>You would go into defense after a Double Riichi?

If he's one tile away from winning, and you're six tiles away from winning, it's pretty stupid to actually try to win.

>>3302642
I would shit myself.

+1 for Ari Tonnansen
+2 for Nashi and Ari Red Tonnansen

Needs a new thread this one hit autosage

>>3302746

make one, link it here

New thread >>3302785

Good job akagi.

default almost kill us.