/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>32430593
Explain the youtube bug

>>32430593
>Hoshikawa
>724 viewers

Is that the nijisanji rising star?

>>32431795
On December 3rd youtube made a tweet that said that they are filtering spam viewers and so live viewer counts might go down. Now, what counts as a spam viewer? Nobody fucking knows but the pajeets that run youtube.

>>32431829
That’s what the nijiggers said in hororaibu. That after her 3d she’s going to be huge.

>>32432095
>Coco is below ItouLife, Reid and indie
Ohnonono

>>32432350
>Numbfagging superchat reading
Nijisanji should be banned from these threads.

>>32431829
Seems a bit misleading. I assume the stream likely peaked considerably higher. Although probably not anything impressive.

>>32432095
This website is so weird. Go check the trending page now. It shows Kuzuha's stream at 2nd with 31k max viewers, but then if you click into the same streams details it shows 33,684 max viewers. Somehow those 2k viewers disappear for the sake of the trending page? If you check other sources it shows 35k peak viewers too.

>>32431940
numberfags BTFO

>>32432696
It dropped off of trending now because its a full day so might as well ignore this but I have seen that happen a number of times. Seems like that trending page isn't always accurate.

>>32432095
Reddit dragon getting blown the fuck out.
Based

>>32433072
Actually it's doing the same thing with the Watame Momotaro stream in 9th position too. Says 21k max viewers if you click into the stream but only 17k on trending.

>>32433244
Because it has been more than a day the views start to decrease before it disappears from the site

Can you guys just come back to the main thread and stop being pussies

>>32433414
I'm there right now too.

>>32433414
>stop being pussies
What did he mean by this?

>>32433364
That seems like a really dumb way to do things but yeah it seems right.

>>32432696
Everyone has it so it even out

>>32432504
>Nijisanji should be banned from these threads.
Is niji live rent free in your head?

>>32433480
I don't want you idiots to create retarded narratives while I'm not looking, just do it all in the main thread, don't worry I won't bite.

>>32433643
It’s exactly the kind of micropenis play that a nijinigger would make to shit up an already shitty thread.

>>32432095
>imagine catering to reddit for big numbers but they are leaving after the novelty wore off
Kek

>>32433953
Is holofag /v/fag?

>>32434067
No.

>>32434119
Look like it tho

>>32434287
>Ending sentence in “tho”

>>32434385
graduation soon

>>32434385
I forgot what that extension was called to see the viewers/views, can you remind me

THE GREAT VTUBER RACE TO 3 MILLION
>no vtuber has ever reached 3 million subscribers on a single channel
>vtuber god, Kizuna Ai, only needs 110,000-120,000 subscribers to reach 3 million subscribers
>a shark, Gawr Gura, is quickly closing that gap with 2,020,000 subscribers
At an average rate of around 12857 daily subscribers, Gura will reach 3 million subscribers in 77 days.
At an current rate of 334 daily subscribers, Kizuna Ai will reach 3 million subscribers in 330-360 days.
With these estimates, GAWR GURA WILL BEAT KIZUNA AI ON April 5, 2021.

845
garbage post

>>32434845
Does it even matter? It's not as if any of those subs even watch either of them.

>>32434896
bragging rights tard

This thread isn’t very good.

>>32434892
>>32434896
>he doesn't know the power of subscribers

yeah now that the gurafags are here

>>32433414
＞bringing up the numberfagging and tribalism in the main threads
fuck you. its better contained here.

>>32435098
I don't want to read through 2 threads of garbage, just keep it all in one.

>>32433414
No, you leave this board.

>>32433912
So you're the one instigating the ruining of the threads, huh?

>>32434845
Convince the chinese to subscribe to Ai-chan if you want to prevent Hololive from taking the first place

>>32435152
dunno about you but the last thread was actually decent
>>32366404
>>32366404

>>32435048
I really don't. Do tell me about it, preferably with an explanation why Kizuna Ai is so irrelevant despite her 2.9 million subs.

>>32434697
I will get dinged for spoonfeeding but fuck it , it took me a while to find this site too, its just holostats fellow retard.

>>32435152
>>32435160

>>32434845
Where is this number from? Every site rounds down to 10k

>>32435282
Not him, but I will tell you why is she so irrelevant
-Lack of collabs
-Lack of streaming
-Not making upd8 a full agency
-Not capitalizing on EOPs just like coco did
-The four kizuna ai debacle
-selling out to china

>>32435398
None of this has anything to do with her subs tho

>>32435398
>-The four kizuna ai debacle
This is what killed her for me. When the levee broke and all the shit came flooding out I was just done.

>>32435444
In fact it does. After the 4 kizuna ai, she lost momentum and even lost subscribers. She was before that, close to get to the 2.5M

>>32435514
Despite she even fixed it, it was too late.

>>32434845
Apples and oranges.
Kizuna ai speaks japanese
There are 128 million japanese speakers globally
3 million is 3% of japanese speakers

Gawr Gura speaks english
There are 1.13 billion english speakers globally
3 million is 0.2% of english speakers

No point in numberfagging like that, the audiences are completely different.

Here's something to numberfag about:
Despite getting like 10-20k subs every day, Guras viewers have been dropping like a rock: most recent ame collab only got 20k viewers. Her biggest recent stream, skyrim, only got 25k viewers.
Wtf are her 2 million subs good for if Pekora gets more streaming minecraft?

>>32435656
Not enough meme jokes and "a". Also people like venti and the twitter trannies gave her too much hype, despite her content is bland

>>32435656
Her VOD views are good

>>32435398
You should also mention that most of Kizuna Ai's subs came in when her content primarily consisted of 10 minute videos, and most of them either have no interest in watching hour long livestreams or are physically unable to make it to those streams that are in vogue in the current climate.

>>32435845
Yeah, no shit, memes can only carry one so far, Risu got some good subs by meme videos and now it is back to normal growth. Gura seems to lost that meme audience already and her CCV now is her actual core audience who couldnt care less about meme

>>32435923
Well, she was the novelty and the golden rule for the fad until Tsukino Mito appeared with a more faster and cheaper way to make content

>>32434845
>>32435656
The race was won a long time ago

>>32435656
true that gura's live views have basically cut in half, and her views per day are half of pekora's. What the hell are her subs good for if they don't watch even the archives?

>>32436134
I dont think any holo, now or in the future could beat this guy (even if he is not counted as a vtuber). Need some extreme meme vtuber (Gura doesnt count any more) or professional MC autist to achieve that

Holofags saying merch doesn't matter are absolute retards.

Kanaes roto merch and the new nijisanji TRPG just sold out, cover needs to do more merch and take more risks.

https://twitter.com/nijisanji_app/status/1351433786978779136

>>32436206
he's as much of a vtuber as anyone else now

>>32436252
Hololive merch sells out all the time

>>32436252
So did holochoco. In fact it sold out so fast most of the people who wanted to buy them never got to lay eyes on it.

>>32435906
She tends to get a lot less than some Japanese vtubers with far less subs.

Pekora for example is above 20 million for the last month and the shark is closer to 10.

>>32436252
You could at least be accurate if you are going to try do that.

>>32436301
>>32436308
>>32436338

Then why the fuck is cover still relying on meme youtube superchats instead of going all in on their merch.

They have a fuck ton of merch Ideas they can do.

>>32436252

I don't think cover even has any official merch of its own outside of the idol event stuff does it? far as I know the talents decide when they want merch, and cover acts to get that done. That's about it.

>>32436359
Unionically Chinkflu. Setting up a production line for merch was already expensive enough and that was before the chinkflu made an absolute mess of the production lines.

>>32436359
Those incompetent fucks at Cover would never put out a Mio hoodie.

>>32436410
Well, there's this

>>32436311
Yeah, no shit, cuz Peko streams nearly double the amount of hours Gura does, heck even Coco has more views than Gura. 2 vids at 300k each is sure to beat 1 vid at 400k for example, or 1 meme 15s vid is sure to attract more view than a fucking 10h long one. That anon should have refer to average VOD instead

>>32436311
Pekora streams almost everyday and for longer, Gura streamed Skyrim to 28k people during 5 hours 2 days ago and her VOD is 834k views, probably gonna get 900k or a million, maybe it's poor viewer retention on Gura's part so it's not necessarily a good sign.

>>32436359
Just because they get a lot of those it doesn't mean they rely on it

>>32436476
yes, wasn't that decided by matsuri?

>>32436476
>YAGOO size comparison
Every fucking time.

>>32436502
Anon, their lack of different revanue streams and the fact that they didn't ask for permissions at first just to make superchat money at the beginning meant that it was what they relied on.

not until they got a reality check.

Pekora is done
Marine is the new queen

>>32436594
youtube fixing their viewcount really did a number huh?

>>32436594
Can't wait for Pekora reddit meme review.

>>32436634
CRAZY BUNNY

>>32436568
They didn't ask for permission because they thought they didn't need permission, nothing to do with merch.

>>32436634
Reduced to that. skeeving off gaijin 'memes' in a reddit review session...

Pekora you whore.

Something I always wondered is why doesn't Hololive do the voice pack thing to the same extent as Nijisanji? I know they do some for special occasions like birthdays and stuff, but Nijisanji does a new ones that probably half the members choose to sell every single month and then often one or two seasonal ones too and then often individually produced ones by the members own design too. There are hundreds of these things on sale in a time limited fashion.

>>32436594
She even wants to play DRAGON QUEST!!!! What a stupid bitch! Who would watch that? Besides me, I mean.

>>32436829
It's simple, cover always fails to captilise on golden gooses, or example gura.

She should have a fuck ton of sponserships for bigger companies and not meme ones like crunchyroll

>>32436877
Or getting sponsorship is not that easy unless the sponsors approach them first?

>>32436929
When you see indies easily getting sponsers, you're doing shit wrong. don't defend cover for their shit.

Hell 774inc has good sponsers despite their low numbers

>>32436983
Fair point

>>32436983
Come on you are still spelling sponsors wrong buddy.

>>32436983
How do you define what is a good "sponser"

>>32437011
To further prove my point, holostars actually got a permission from capcom to stream monster hunter rise because their manager actually knows what they're doing.

So again, what the fuck has cover done for the girls? only good thing is that they finally able to play holo knight again after god knows how long.

>>32437076
So, it doesnt depend on the number, but the competency of the managers/staffs.

>>32437076
Hololive has been overly careful with permissions, nijis learned only recently that they can't stream Dragon Quest for example

https://twitter.com/yuika_siina/status/1350111605825015814?s=19

I think that applies even with superchat turned off that nijifags think is the ultimate deciding factor of being able to stream something or not

>>32437177
Are you a retarded? it's because square enix updated the dragon quest streaming policy not too long ago.

https://twitter.com/livedoornews/status/1349601865827119104

>>32437152
Exactly, and covers problem is that their lack of good staff/managers is outnumbered but fucking garbage ones

>>32437177
You can't be this stupid right?
https://twitter.com/AUTOMATONJapan/status/1349606330252738561

>>32437262
They are unironically small indie company until very recently. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if a good number of their managers were former IT staff that got drafted into pulling double duty when cover decided they wanted to become a talent agency.

>>32437262
>>32437317
They let individuals monetize it, where does it say members of a company can't stream it with superchat turned off like Nijisanji always did.

>>32437373
Their pass policy didn't mention individuals or companies, their updated version now specified that it's specifically for individuals.

So again, please stop acting like a fucking retard.

>>32437348
Cover should have a focus of hiring competent staff but instead they now want to make their own virtual live streaming service. I worry for 2021

>>32437373
It's in the first paragraph of the agreement that only individuals can stream or post videos of the game.

>>32437419
>focus of hiring competent staff
They actually are. There've been alot of new managers recently, and they've also been going on a massive hiring spree on their website. Right now their problem with staff is mostly one of scaling up.

>>32437470
Thank fuck, I hope they continue to fire the retarded ones. Now my only hope is that they take more risks with merch

>>32437419
So why can't they play it with superchat turned off like they always did, they wouldn't be monetizing it, Nintendo had the same guidelines for individuals and Nijisanji played their games with superchat turned off all the time.

>>32437523
Because the updated guidelines say only individuals can do that regardless of monetization or not.

>>32437523
Anon, I want you to read what you've written very carefully and put 2 and 2 together

>>32437523
Are you this fucking stupid???

>>32436476
When is this slut going to liberate her MMD bikini model?

>>32437510
>they continue to fire the retarded ones
Well, funny you should say that, because from what some of the talents have said it seems like alot of the old managers are getting promoted

>>32437631
>it seems like alot of the old managers are getting promoted

Ok, now im at a loss for words. god damn it. fucking japanese work culture and their out dated hierarchie system

>>32437685
For what it's worth they do need the old staff around because they are going from a 20 man company to one that's almost 150 strong in the span of less than a year.

>>32437557
>>32437559
>>32437593
https://www.dragonquest.jp/guideline/

It literally only talks about monetization, where is the line that says companies can't stream it if they turn it off

>>32437759
Anon, if it ONLY mentions that individuals can stream it but doesn't mention that companies can.

Then again, put 2 and 2 together.

>>32437759
http://www.dragonquest.jp/roto/guideline.html

>>32437834
It says individuals can MONETIZE would you be monetizing it if you play with the superchat turned off.

>>32437894
Ah I see

I hate reddit dragon.

>>32434363
who are you quote?

>>32438934
You.

>>32437348
>They are unironically small indie company until very recently
Talking like stupid EOP

>>32433912
Neck yourself faggot

>>32435282
The algorithm has stopped recommending her to most of her subs. She gained those subscribers from a different time when she was the hottest thing on the market. Now most of those subs have moved on to other vtubers after the controversy.

>>32435656
She’s been fucked by the YouTube bug the hardest since most of her audience uses Adblock. Her VOD views are one of the highest despite barely streaming and she has the highest membership in all of Hololive estimated at 19k. The metric that has never changed since her start is the lower viewership in collabs, people only want to watch sololive Gura.

>>32436983
No shit, they’re backed by Adways it’s how they got their 3D models so fast.

You have a point about merch, they really need to hire someone that knows the ins and out of merch production.

>>32443854
That is kind of funny. Hakuhodo DY who are invested in Cover also are invested in Adways. One of the companies that owns part of cover owns part of a company that owns part of 774.

>>32437076
Those permissions apply to everyone, they just can’t monetize it like GTA

>>32443854
They've seen shit sellout in a heartbeat but don't bother in trying to focus on the potential of merch sales, it's crazy

>>32432095
>reddit dragon being blown out by an ex-homoshart

can't make this up

>>32443551
Is it seen as scummy to use adblock in Japan or something?

>>32443551
>sololive Gura
She doesn’t have a choice in the matter.

Didn't Hololive lose a lot by cutting ties with China? people saying they didn't lose anything seems like they're just coping to me, there's no way they didn't since we see they are missing on deals and sponsorships.

>>32445112
Dissolving the CH branch was probably a big financial lose at least.

>>32445112
If I recall correctly, Kiara spoke about wanting to play Genshin Impact. That never happened, so I'm guessing Mihoyo didn't give them the permission, which I assume is because of the T-word drama.

>>32445277
Don't censor Taiwan, that's stupid.

>>32445112
Yes, but they would have lost more doing what would be required to stay.

Cover fucked up the response there, about the only thing they did right was not graduate Coco or Haachama.

>>32445474
It is. I used "T-word" as a jab at the nature and absurdity of the whole thing.

>>32445474
T*iwan

>>32445112
Yes, china is a massive market would eat that shit up. Dealing with the chinese antis is like playing with fire though.
>>32445474
>>32445702
It's called Formosa.

>>32445112
The actual income wasn't much, but the lost sponsorships probably are. And I don't mean the chinese sponsorships either, I mean the fact that other companies love chinese money so much that chinese cancel cultists can force them not to work with hololive.

The other choice though was losing their biggest earner and probably most of her clique, and at the same time having to whether the western social outrage that probably have crippled HoloEN's income.

>>32445112
They axed their only unprofitable branch and lost gacha shit. If they had "stayed" in China they would have been fucked by the new streaming regulations and Bilibili would have taken over the CN branch.

>>32445786
>fucked by the new streaming regulations and Bilibili would have taken over the CN branch.
talking like true eop

>>32445752
Yea, it would have most definitely crippled CN, not mention their subreddit would have been rendered unusable. Not to mention the toll it would take on the talents themselves outside of Coco, and the main JP base wouldn't have liked Cover kowtowing to tChina like that either.

It simply was never worth what was demanded by like day 3 of her suspension.

>>32445912
meant EN not CN

>>32445829
So what, are you a chink?

>>32445912
The suspensions were pointless. Everyone knew they would be. In the end it was worst case scenario, regardless.

>>32446021
Possibly. I think they had hope of salvaging the situation with good management at the beginning of the suspensions, but they fucked it up by releasing those 3 different statements.

>>32446076
They were gonna release the same statement to EN/JP/CN but they consulted with their chinese partner (Bilibili) who added the one china bullshit.

>>32446247
like I said, they fucked up.

>>32439386
These are their total employee count as of February of 2020. Now tell me in what fucking universe is a company with 20 total full time staff not a small indie company

>>32445112
Someone ran the numbers way back when. In terms of actual money lost its actually not much, the money from China accounted for 9% of covers total sc earnings, and the CN branch accounted for an additional 6%. The en branch earned more money in 2 weeks than the CN branch did in their entire year of operation.
The real cost of pulling out of China lies in the intangables, namely the lost game permissions and potential lost sponsorships, which are hard to quantify and outside the scope of this thread.

>>32446683
These is something like real live event/concert that makes more money than sc

>>32446683
>16 hours of streaming to the China market vs 1861 hours of streaming on Youtube
In exchange for:
>9% of income
>Free translation teams
>Bilibili events
>Game permissions and sponsorships
Talk about getting cucked

>>32446784
Funnily enough the free translation teams still exist. Hololive streams are still getting mirrored on bilibili and chinese translated clips still pop up with amazing speed and regularity. Honestly looking at the situation now it feels like cover could've just gritted their teeth and weathered the controversy for a few months instead of axing their CN branch.

>>32446784
Those 16 hours are exclusive streams. All their youtube streams are mirrored onto bilibili. The whole reason why it blew up like this is because someone somewhere in the management chain fucked up and allowed the stream to be mirrored without any edits.

>>32447025
Not worth the effort, they are insane

>>32446776
Of course but those numbers are hard to get your hands on. If you have actual numbers on how much they earn through concerts feel free to share

>>32447025
Agree with other guy, it would just create more points to attack the talents with. Part of the reason its died down is specifically because Cover left.

Its not worth going back in at this point without some overt sign that they are even wanted back, that is, incentives to go back.

As of now there really is no incentive to go back to bilibili knowing it would just give the nationalists a shot in the arm to continue harassing over a past incident.

But that is a good sign, perhaps sometime in the next year the remaining few antis will collapse under that weight, and Cover won't have any impediments to sponsorships again.

>>32448069
>in the next year
the fad would be dead by then lol

What side do you guys use to collect vtuber statistic? Social Blade?

>>32448499
Playboard, social blade, and vnuma

>>32448069
I think the bugmen are still going to hold out for a while still. They just made an updated spambot tool today that they're larping as a WWII aircraft carrier. The original devs seemed to have abandoned the project, so I guess they're slowly dying down.

Ironically, the bugmen were numberfagging Gura's 2M, and bugmen numberfags are literally looking at a mirror here.

>>32450252
>The original devs seemed to have abandoned the project, so I guess they're slowly dying down.
Yeah because the original dev got doxxed because he hosted the script on his official github account like a retard

>>32446414
They're still looking to fill some positions at least.

https://cover-corp.com/recruit/

>>32452618
It's a pity all of them require that you live in Tokyo. There are alot of positions that could be done remotely like 3d modelling and requiring that they be physically in Tokyo limits thier available talent pool significantly

Kusoge is the problem.

>>32449435
Thanks bro.

>>32451689
It's just a shame another dev was willing to take up the mantle to keep improving the tool

>>32455314
based chink spirit

So which massive funding-wasting venture is more doomed?

Nijisanji's foreign expansion, or Hololive's attempt to create their own AR/VR streaming platform?

>>32459195
both seem like money sinkholes desu

>>32459195
I find it hard to imagine foreign expansion really costs all that much in comparison to all the other shit these companies do. You probably have a couple of staff employed for overseeing each region, and then getting the live2D and recruiting the members isn't exactly something that is going to break the bank is it?

>>32459884
Apparently Ichikara wanted a few billion yen for it, so either the market research is a major investment, or they've got big plans

>>32460336
Not sure where you are getting that from. The press releases for when they have gotten major investments both focused primarily on investment in human resources for the domestic business while also mentioning expansion on new businesses including yumenographia and overseas.

holo schizo cope about bilibili is funny and sad to read.

here's reality instead of the schizo imagination of coping eol/esl: bilibili is more profitable and larger than ever. it has had constant live events with vtubers for the past 2 months now. literally. there's constant concerts and other similar things going on for vtubers. nijisanji cn known as virtuareal has exploded in popularity. not just that but their managers and company aren't run by dogshit retards like cover so they've been rolling out 3d events, couple new characters, giving alternate costumes, and making their own collaborative events. nijisanji isn't just relying on failed idols and talentless clique from nnd either. they've got more vtube avatars for already existing popular talent. nijisanji and bilibili are trying to expand vtuber from being meh to actually great singers.


every retard and schizo who keeps talking about muh regulations are living in an alternate reality. hololive missed the opportunity to shoot to the moon and beyond. paryi and project paryi has completely stolen the thunder hololive had and went beyond it.

hololive were just leeches who wanted to only do restreams. them getting kicked off bilibili was fantastic for bilibili and chinese vtubers. paryi for example isn't just a leech like cover he has constant bilibili exclusives and interactions.

vtubers on bilibili are better than ever. hololive isn't shit.

>>32460966
>either the market research is a major investment
Well I fucking hope for their sakes that they spent alot of money on market research after the nijiIN fiasco, or even the nijiKR fiasco.

>>32461955

Even if this is a meme the majority of Hololive did fuck all on Bilibili. They wasted a lot of potential. They're not even taking advantage of their newfound "freedom" from the Chinese audience; they're just doing the exact same shit but with one less revenue source

>>32461955
Cool, have your fun and stay behind your wall, Chink.

>>32463451
I know about nijiIN but now that I think about I haven't heard anything about nijiKR other than it did badly enough that hololive decided not to follow suit. What happened with that branch?

>>32464160
Well I'm not familiar enough with the Korean Market to explain exactly why it happened but for some reason nijiKR completely failed to gather any sort of domestic audience. Half of their talents have graduated by now, either for drama related reasons or because it just plain didn't make ends meet, and the only member who could be called successful streams almost entirely in jp and practically courts the same audience as nijiJP.

>>32464229
>Half of their talents have graduated by now, either for drama related reasons
Wasn't it because of Korea's mandatory military service? Pretty sure it was mostly the guys who graduated, and that was the reason why.
Also, there are TWO members who do decent numbers by pandering to the JP audience, Bora and Yuya.
And I would assume that NijiKR at least makes a profit, since they receive new members every now and then. That's something that can't be said about NijiIN.

>>32436594

Pekora! No!!!

>>32466095
Yes, the mass graduation wave was due to the fact that the company ichikara acquired and rebranded into Nijisanji KR didn't do their background checks properly and recruited people that's due foe military service.

>>32466324
Not to mention one of the talents they acquired was found to be harassing the other talents behind the scenes.

>>32463451
Aren't they still releasing waves for NijiID? Their latest wave seems to be all at 10k subs 2 months after debut.

>>32466480
INdia, not InDonesia. If you're having trouble remembering, remember that INdia was the one that swapped out their I for an E.

>>32466324
Pretty sure military service was based on age, so thay can't do much about it.
Even K-Pop star can't escape that

>>32466550
Ah, completely misread.
Yeah, The only one who managed to be successful seems to only stream in English.
The whole rebranding thing was a stupid idea to begin with, felt like a half-assed way to try to save the branch.

The Bilibili shakedown wasn't all that bad though, if it didn't happen then Gura wouldn't have lost her Muse Dash views and probably would've joined Pekora in that streamer thing.

>>32461955
If Bilibili was as profitable as you say they'd just have fired Coco to appease the chinks

>>32466646
Yeah, I wonder what the people in NijiIn are thinking right now. Ichikara might as well have flown a giant banner over India with "We do not give a single flying fuck about you" written on it in glowing neon letters.

>>32467003
Feels like a repeat of their failed tw and cn branches before they found success in virtuareal.

As for nijiKR though they’re in a much better spot now.

>>32467003
I don't know I kind of think the failure with that branch was secured at the recruitment stage. How are they supposed to grow if they are only ever going to stream 1 or 2 times a week?

I'm so glad this thread full of green text exist. Why hasn't this been a thing for a long time?

>>32467223
Honestly even if they streamed more often I doubt they'll see much more success than what they are currently experiencing. India isn't like indonesia which is practically 50% weebs by volume, the anime community is extremely small over there and a large percentage of that community are diehard purist who'd rather kill themselves than willingly listen to an anime character speak hindi.

>>32467592
Times have changed, get over yourself.

>>32467760
They all speak English in their streams though I think?

>>32467840
Same difference, the anime community in india is still in the niche hardcore purists stage and even if any of them were interested in vtubers they would rather watch the ones who speak in JP.

>>32467895
There are a lot of English speakers that aren't indians and like vtubers.

>>32461955
Point on the Winnie the pooh bear where Hololive hurt you.

>>32463726
Zhang they never wanted to be free, they were just driven out by Bilibili and useful idiots that are chinese nationalists.

>>32461955
I'm going to read all of that, holy shit

>>32463451
Do you have confidence in nijiEN? Ichikara's investors aren't going to be too pleased if they half ass it and struggle to breach the western market.

>>32467967
And most of them will take one look at the IN tag and never give them a second look. Same deal with ID.

>>32469546
Not that anon but,
They took over the Nijisanji subreddit but don’t seem to really be doing much with it. Only one talent is actively on it, it looks like.
Other than that I haven’t really seen them do more to gain a EN fanbase than what they were doing before the announcement.
I hope they don’t think slapping an EN label will mean instant success.

Number is everything.
Vtuber with the most subscribers and the most superchat is the best vtuber in the world.
Vtuber with less than 500 subscribers should give up and quit youtube.
Agree?

>>32469825
They were EN for ages and still didn't grow

>>32469546
Besides India, Niji's international branches seem to be varying degrees of successful, so the chances of (a proper) NijiEN being a failure are fairly low.
Sure, they won't match HoloEN, but they don't have to do that to be profitable.

>>32470012
It is going to be an uphill battle I think when it seems like vtubers=hololive in the mind of a lot of the more casual people who have became aware of vtubers recently. And beyond that I am sure there are a good number that are less casual but have a bad impression of Nijisanji due to only really hearing about them from dramas.

>>32469546
Frankly, I don't think they'll outright bomb like KR or IN, but I doubt they'll be particularly successful, Niji seems to be trying to artificially recreate the circumstances that made HoloEN become a viral sensation, but they're doing that thing that most imitators do where they imitate the surface appearances without understanding the principles behind it. In their case all their efforts made them come off as extremely corporate, which makes it really hard for them to go viral.

>>32470295
Watch them do meme reviews like Coco.

>>32470390
Don't think they have any. The reddit is links to translated clips, links to streams and fan art.

>>32470390
Nijifans on reddit gatekeep just as much as the faggots on here, take a look at their sub like >>32470535 said.

>>32470187
There's already a noticeable portion of the vtuber fanbase that looks down on Hololive for the "toxic idol culture" or whatever and think that Nijisanji is better. And if nothing else, NijiEN will have the ENvtuber hipster audience. "Gura is entry-level trash, Hana 2.0 is where it's at"-kind of thing.
Also, the drama doesn't really exist outside the minds of schizo tribalists here. The response to the NijiEN audition announcement on twitter, for example, was nothing but positive.

>>32470012
Is KR not considered a failure? Nearly all of their lives struggle to get viewers except the one that panders to JP.

Is VirtuaReal their most successful overseas branch?

>>32470867
I don't think they're gatekeeping there, translation and information for new people is all over the place, just don't seem to be many people creating memes.

>>32470867
They don't really gatekeep, the state of the niji subreddit is just the natural result of there being only maybe 200 active posters in there rather than any active effort by them to chase people away.

>>32470988
Well, unlike IN, KR gets new members every now and then, so I don't think that they're just a money sink.
As for VirtuaReal's success, see pic related. I'm pretty sure that if your character is immortalized on a graphics card, you truly made it as a vtuber.

>>32470535
I guarantee you that if one of the nijis announces that they are planning on doing a meme review the subreddit will be covered in low quality memes of every stripe.

>>32470867
The only “gatekeeping” I see is people complaining about memes in the vtuber subreddit when the topic comes up about the nijisanji subreddit.

>>32471330
I saw some pictures of them having their first ever solo live event as a group recently. It didn't look huge or anything from what I remember but its more than any other overseas branch can say they have had I guess.

>>32471150
>>32471301
>>32471390
The ones not afraid of getting downvoted to hell speak out about keeping the sub the way it is.

>>32471851
Thank god those fags get downvoted for trying to make it hololive ver 2.

Those types of people need to fuck off

>>32472823
Why exactly do you care so much about the state of a subreddit?

>>32472823
But that's not what Ichikara wants. That problem would be addressed.

>>32472893
Not him, but I assume he doesn't want the subreddit to become a repository of memes like the hololive one. Heck he is even cursing the fact the Niji subreddit exists in the first place.

>>32472898
Thats why the subreddit take over is a failure, can't really use it to grow your overseas audience when its at odds with your fanbase.

>>32474106
The zealous fanbase is tampering with their plans. They really don't want Niji to become like Holo, despite this is what Ichikara wants

>>32474268
Regardless it’s amusing to watch.

>>32461955
Based chink bros

>>32436134
he's the last final boss, anochama

>>32461955
Despite alot of anons saying "hahah stfu chang" it's actually true for the most part.

virtuareal stars is like the biggest shocker for me

Its funny how decent the numberfag threads turned out to be since theres actual discussion ad analysis kek

>>32480350
hahah stfu chang

>>32480445
>kek
you have to go back

>>32461955
>about muh regulations are living in an alternate reality
If that was the case, why are they mad about an honest error and didn't accept Cover's apologies?

>>32480650
I think he is referring to people that were saying vtubing was going to be dead on bilibili and Cover got out at the right time because of the new streaming regulations the chinese government brought in would destroy the market.

>>32461955
>chinese vtubers
this is /jp/, you know. International vtubers go on /trash/

>>32480764
For overseas vtubers trying to go to China, it's over. But for the internal market it's just another day. It's a self contained market.

>>32461955
Isn't virtualreal not actually owned by Ichikara? I thought they just licensed their tech or something (Ichikara is a technology startup to begin with).

>>32480968
Nevermind, I just looked it up and it seems they are actually a Ichikara project (or at least joint project, but they still have a stake in it).

>>32480897
I'm no expert but I just went and checked out some of the more popular Japanese vtubers on bilibili that aren't Hololive. Kagura Nana, Kano, Mea, Tamaki, Alice and the Hanayori girls all seem to be posting videos and doing their streams like normal.

>>32481475
Are they trying to re-enter the market again?

>>32481582
I'm not sure what you mean. If they are still going along fine what is stopping others from doing the same? There weren't any new rules made preventing foreigners.

>>32481582
What're you talking about? They never leave in the first place

>>32481625
>>32481655
If the new rules apply to newcomers

>>32481729
They apply to everyone including the Chinese as far as I remember.

>>32481750
Oh, I see.

>>32481729
The only new rule is for streamer who selling shit online to prevent scam, outside of it, all of these rules like real life ID, etc are already there in the first place

>>32480897
wrong and delusional cope from retards like usual. they just had an award ceremony 3 days ago where hiseki erio won and performed. she exploded after covers ban. there's still plenty of japanese vtubers doing stuff on bilbili including new girls. nijisanji even still does some restreams.

the only "fall out" from cover leeches getting kicked off bilibili is the idea if you're just a grifter who wants to restream don't even bother. if you don't want to interact with the community instead just doing restreams from youtube then don't even try.


>>32480650
because cover are leeches who just wanted to do infinite restreams? they treated their cn branch like shit and getting them on bilibili was like pulling teeth. they were just degrading the whole quality of the cn vtuber community. bilibili had plans to make vtubers even bigger and a leech like cover just gets in the way. cover had the chance to show they really wanted to be on bilibili but tried to just sit on the fence. they weren't a good partner so they got kicked off so they can't keep leeching.

after i saw all hololeeches interaction with en i knew they were just scummy and absolutely deserved to be kicked. they can only get one shitty stream with cn branch, but they can do constant crap with en? cn branch had 2 people who knew japanese really well. if cover weren't just leeches they would've done collabs with them. instead they're leeches so they didn't and just tried to do infinite restreams.

>>32480869
yeah, you retard trash just spend your time talking about chinese otaku not chinese vtuber. vtuber discussion goes to /trash/ while schizo freaks making up schizo stories and obsessing over chinese otaku go to /jp/.

>>32482682
Could you please stop writing blogposts? Get straight to the point in less than 2 sentences next time.

>>32432350
Is Itou Life... that Itou Life? I'm still waiting for more...

>>32483152
There's only one Itou Life.

>>32480350
Post proof? Lots of things being said but no real confirmation.

>>32482682
Say it as it is based bili bili lurker. Any interesting happenings as of late?

>>32483291
Not him but just sub count for reference.

>>32482682
We get it you love Hololive. Tell me how are these vtubers doing, they were the only ones I watched.

>>32484081
They got surprisingly shat on

Regardless of whether or not pulling out of China is a good financial decision,
FUCK CHINKS, they are the worst kind of subhuman bugmen to have ever wandered this planet, and they don't deserve Hololive after THEY THEMSELVES shot the first bullet. I hope every zhang defending the great motherland ITT get sent to a concentration camp.

>>32483783
VirtuaReal Link numbers

>>32484181
Looks like someone is seething that bili bili is doing better than ever without the hololeeches.

>>32483783
Thank you. I imagine those numbers are really good for bilibili? I'll admit I have no idea what the market is like but close to three million is close to three million. Good for them if so.

>>32484210
>>32483783
VirtuaReal numbers.

>>32483625
this japanese chick named hiseki erio part of paryi's project won an award a couple days ago. everybody was coping and seething hard when cover got banned and she made 350k that month btfo'ing all hololeech records. they were saying they just used her and she'll be forgotten. surprise, she isn't.

this other anon posted some stuff. hanser and zuya naxi officially joined virtuareal >>32483783. i've been subscribed to them to listen to their music for like 2 years and suddenly they're vtuber and /jp/ related cause they're part of nijisanji.

hanser did unofficial stuff including videos, but now she's official. https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Ut4y1y73P

>>32484798
Holy fuck, shit has actually been moving? keep us updated, numberfag thread needs some reality checks since there's a lot of fucking retards who think otherwise.

>>32480594
Get over yourself

>>32480968
>>32481102
Sort of. Virtualreal is functionally self run on the Chinese side. Ichikara invests in it but it's abit like the relationship between a typical vc firm and the company they invest in.

>>32485081
I'm guessing that implies that the success of VirtuaReal falls on the shoulder of Chinese management and not really Ichikara?
Or am I wrong in that train of thought.

I only say that since their China branch seems to be their really only successful foreign branch so far.

>>32484798
She's planning on splitting her time between youtube and bilibili 50/50 now.

>>32484218
Is it though?

Nijisanji KR numbers

>>32485309
talents always want more eyes on them. trying to get on more platforms makes sense. paryi is smart and respects bilibili though so he won't pull the kind of retard shit cover did or let his talents do it either.

Nijisanji ID numbers

>>32484081
Im surprised the Chinks arnt brainwashed enough to just love whatever the CCP regurgitated out. Or CCP not forcing them to like this or get send to the Gulag.

>>32485753
JESUS CHRIST those are indie numbers. I thought the anons here were exaggerating when they said nijiKR bombed but Holy shit

>>32486028
While compiling this I didn't realize that ID is actually doing better overall compared to KR. I was surprised as well.

>>32484218
Nah, you're misunderstanding. We really honestly couldn't care less, because china is a closed market and bilibili is for chinks only. Why would we care about how well a chink website is doing when its for chinks only? Hololive is doing great as it is, so no one is seething about being out of the Chinese market, aside from Chinks.

and as for all the shit Hololive is supposedly missing, it really doesn't matter because the choice forced on Hololive by chinks makes it irrelevant.

Chinks pretty much told Hololive to leave or die, so they left, simple. Trying to pretend Hololive is missing out on whatever ignores that basic fact, cause Hololive/Cover did not have a choice to stay.

>>32484896
Nah, it's usual holonewfags

>>32486218
>We
Fuck off

>>32486112
Yeah Indo actually has a thriving vtuber industry and a population that's 50% Weeb by mass. Honestly apart from Hana most of nijiID is doing about average for indo vtubers

>>32486319
Zhang seething lol

>Chinks pretty much told Hololive to leave or die, so they left, simple.

Cover left and Chinks still continue the harassment. Cant trust the Commies.

>>32486427
not even chink, buckko

>>32486465
Okie Zhang

>>32435048
Who are you quoting?

>>32486448
Of course, just want the chinks gone. they gotta go back to bilibili or something.
>>32486465
But you're literally named Zhang.

>>32486448
Who's this quote by?

>>32469251
Wow, you are? Good job!

>>32486218
>told them to leave
no. correction: they nuked hololives channels and removed their videos banning them. they didn't get told to leave they got the boot to their ass on the way out. they thought they could game everybody by appealing to reddit retard freakos like you and stay on bilibili but they made a mistake.

>no one is seething about being out of the Chinese market,
chinese vtubers are banned on /jp/, but schizo seething about chinese otaku is welcome you're so frustrated about them. tiananmen pasta shit gets deleted and warnings on boards like /g/ but /jp/ is so butthurt even the janitors are seething about it.

on any good board when somebody posts that retard reddit shit it gets removed, but the janitors stalk every post here looking for hidden messages about stuff they dislike yet they ignroe it? seething loser.

>>32444705
Excuse me, who is it you are quoting?

>>32486522
Keep going, your buzzwords are funny

>>32444705
Is he the one fucked hologirls and be fired by Cover?

>>32486594
>they nuked hololives channels and removed their videos banning them.
Okay no that's just false. The only channels bilibili took official action against is coco and hachama's. If they wanted to hololive could go back to streaming on bilibili right now. The issue is that the chinks kept seething about about it. It's nothing to do with official action unless you believe the Taiwanese conspiracy theories about the entire debacle being astroturfed by a rival chink vtuber agency.
Also learn to type English

>>32486028
I follow a few of the KRs and their live views numbers are very sad. I was surprised they bothered to debut a 4th gen because besides Yuya and Bora even the ones who can speak japanese and english barely have any real audience.

>>32486983
>I follow a few of the KRs and their live views numbers are very sad.
No, you don't

>>32486594
Wanting chinks out isnt schizo Zhang..

Keep seething ;)

>>32486686
no it's the other one, suzaku

>>32486594
Wanting chinks out isn't schizo Zhang.

Keep seething.

you fucking retards need a new hobby

>>32487157

damn, double post.

>>32482682
You forgot the usual “CCP lifted billions out of poverty” rhetoric, Wumao.

Nijisanji JP numbers

>>32487149
Oh
But glad he is in good place now, clearly cover's shitty management doesn't do him justice

>>32486916
you need your schizo pills, retard. you literally just pulled that out of your schizo imagination and think that's reality cause you're coping.

https://space.bilibili.com/491474051/video

here's ftowa's videos. they're all gone. the only reason why she's even got some left is because they're collabs with the holos which didn't get entirely nuked (flare, matsuri, aqua, rushia, sion, and suisei) almost all other holos got their entire channels nuked, retard.

>>32487388
Based chink

>>32487388
If they were nuked the channel would be gone entirely. That isn't nuked that's removed. By the channel owners. Because the channel owners were losing their shit

>>32487303
If I didn't mess up my counting

Subs:
600k-700k 2
500k-600k 4
400k-500k 6
300k-400k 16
200k-300k 21
100k-200k 43
Under 100k 21

>>32444705
Imagine comparing superchat reading numbers.

>>32487624
your meds. you need them. you're coping so hard it's embarrassing to read. you went from "they can come back anytime they feel like but they ditched bilibili cause it sucks" to "their channels getting all their videos deleted doesn't count and if they made new accounts maybe they could stream"

about that, no.

>>32487425
not even chinese or asian.

>>32432095

>>32487763
Doesn't look good tho

>>32487845
I said based chink kicks out holoshit of their land

>>32487845
No you illiterate retard, their channels weren't nuked. They still own those channels. They could go right back to streaming on those same channels if they wanted. The only one who can't is Coco because that's the channel that was actually nuked.

>>32487903
they are pretty based for doing it. i was skeptical at first and frankly didn't feel well about it, but after seeing how hololeeches love to collab with en even begging for it i understood bilibili kicking their ass to the door was the correct choice.

they couldn't even do some 1 hour collab with the cn branch to show they actually appreciate bilibili, but they can go beg for en collabs tryign to leech some subs. fuck em.

>>32487956
i can only say seek metal attention, bud. you're a nutcase living in their own alternate reality.

>They still own those channels
in your dreams, bud. they don't even own their youtube channels. they have to tippy toe on ice trying to get fucked by the ai that wrecks their anus regularly and you think they can do whatever they want on bilibili? yikes

>>32487866
She's never had the highest viewercount for regular streams, its the events she makes that have been her draw. Asacoco, Reddit meme,event, English school, etc.

She has hit higher numbers though singing on off jp hours.

>>32488008
Never really followed Hololive's actions in China but it seems like only a few of the Holos (most notably Aqua) actually cared about China.

>>32488290

>>32488008
Being on Youtube makes the difference.If in some bizarro world EN was on a totally different platform that had its own censorship, you wouldn't see many collabs with EN either.

>>32488348
thanks for proving my point?

I never seen holoretard get this BTFO before, feels nice

>>32488413
Not the guy you were arguing with.

Just providing numbers instead of all these claims with nothing to back it up.

>>32488486
ah ok

>>32488374
don't you have to be somewhere whining about how youtube's censoring hololive and shadowbanning them cause their costume is too red or yellow so the ai fucks them? i'd bet $100 you sat in that very same shit stained chair you're in now writing some posts about youtube and twitter censoring stuff and very recently too.


they didn't collab with the cn branch cause they're leeches who just wanted to leech off. over an entire year they couldn't get a single member to do a 1 hour collab with cn branch in some random game for their fans? luckily, the bilibili management saw through their scummy behavior and got rid of them.

Why is the chinese person so angry

>>32488290
>She's never had the highest viewercount for regular streams
funny when you faggots were flexing her numbers when she had 20k+ in regular streams and now she's never had high view for regular streams kek

>>32488664
>don't you have to be somewhere whining about how youtube's censoring hololive and shadowbanning them cause their costume is too red or yellow so the ai fucks them
No? What the fuck are you even talking about? Do you just make up windmills to tilt against or something

>>32489023
since you're just somebody who came directly from reddit or /v/ for hololive en memes tell us beforehand, retard.

hololive has to constantly self-censor because youtube fucks them over due to their thumbnails and color schemes. they had to remove cleavage and boob windows cause youtube flags them as r18 and shadow bans them.


btw, you being from reddit or /v/ just confirms how you have sat in your shit stained chair whining about censorship on youtube/twitter recently.

>>32489304
And I shitted green this morning

>>32489304
And what does that have to do with the platform separatation? I'm not your therapist but if you are going to sperg at least sperg about things relavent to the actual discussion

>>32490532
I've seen a common sentiment that Bilibili is just a pain in the ass to navigate that Hololive fans don't even bother.

Most Hololive fans barely knew ID existed (before NNN and PekoMoona arc) much less the China branch.

Have a question... is there any truth to the rumor that bilibili views are inflated?

>>32490532
what fuck are you on about retard? i just told you youtube censors them in response to your absolutely retarded post saying "DEY DIDN'T COLLAB CUS THEY FEAR CENSORS".

huh? they can restream on bili leeching like forever and beg for any invites to bilibili events, but they can't play a video game for an hour with the cn branch in an entire year? maybe take the medicine your doctor prescribed? you got a real sickness.

>>32484896
i got an new exciting update. 阿梓/azi the best girl on bilibili joined virtuareal link today so she's officially /jp/ related and part of nijisanji. before she got deleted cause seething "NOOOOO CHINESE VTUBER!!!!", but now she's part nijisanji so she can stay like all the en and indos. holy shit today is a great day.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV15U4y147Ew
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV16A411W7dv
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Go4y1o7vY

>>32491157
Bilibili doesn't do live view counts if that is what you're asking. Instead it does some weird "engagement" number that no one really knows how it's calculated. In that sense it's not technically inflated but it does make it an unreliable metric.

>>32491286
thanks anon

>>32491277
This is fucking hilarious, keep us updated in the next numberfag thread, I love seeing holoredditors look retarded

>>32491157
Both niconico and bilibili don't show live view

>>32491277
based chink speaker bros, keep us updated with the information

every time i see japanese vtubers starts to pander more to china i always feared something like this is going to happen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5oIzSI_fyA

of course i don't know what's really going on over there and seeing hiseki erio seemingly succeed is heartwarming after reading about her parent's story but i'm afraid they'll slowly lost their soul and original passion

>>32491672
>i'm afraid they'll slowly lost their soul and original passion
It isn't different with pandering to EOP somehow?

>>32487129
>>32486983
Post numbers

>>32491768
It's pandering in general though no matter which is the target of pandering. Money is the source of corruption

>>32491768
as far as i can tell only Uto that does the pandering too far that her JP fanbase is non existent, meanwhile the holoJP girls is not doing duolingo stream literally everyday and still doing whatever they want

>>32491866
> meanwhile the holoJP girls is not doing duolingo stream literally everyday and still doing whatever they want
Like reddit meme review?

>>32491922
eh, i see no harm if it doesn't disturb their actual
daily streams

>>32491277
Shouldn't you be reading up your spam bots, Chang? Coco is about to start streaming soon you know.

>>32491277
Keep doing good work anon, you're posting nijisanji Vtuber in Vtuber thread, no need to care about those holofags seething

>>32493514
Her numbers really did fall of quite a bit didn't they, she was breaking 40k just doing nothing special for the first couple of months, now it seems like she is struggling to keep 20k.

>>32488290
her streams are boring to me
simple as

>>32493786
Isn’t YouTube bug still affecting EN members hard?
Live viewers still nose dive right when stream starts.

I’ve seen 14k waiting drop down to 2k live viewers before.

>>32493514
Man what the fuck happened to gura. Did EOP’s lose interest?

>>32493873
I don't think that's actually a thing to be honest. I know the viewers do drop down massively suddenly when the stream starts but that happens on every stream now. Then if you give it a few minutes it climbs back up to around where you would have expected it to be for that vtuber.

>>32494050
It takes a really long time to do that though. I've seen waiting rooms with 20k waiting then stablizing at 14k about fifteen minutes later.

>>32493879
Her Minecraft videos don't have the same amount views since the first month she debut but it seems to be fairly consistent though.

~450k - 700k range depending on what game she plays.

pretty interesting thread desu

>>32491277
based
also do you know what happened to artia?
like what channel she streams at nowadays

Someone better make a new numberfag thread

Huh why is this thread so dead?