/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Will Tsukino Mito be the first Nijisanji to achieve 1million sub this year?

>>32366404
UOOOHHHHHHH

I speculate Pecora might overtake FBK by the end of this year.

>>32366404
UOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NUMBERSSSSSSS UOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IM COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMING UOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>32366507
Not if the rest of fujo EOP's find out about Kanae and Kuzuha. But yeah she probably will be.

>be a sad rbcfag
>open niji jetri
>live happily ever after

>>32366507
I dont think so, tokyo ghoul will eventually surpass her

>>32366404
Are nijis even trying anymore?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ9Y2fRAVFI
Marin 1mil soon, come watch please

>>32366404
>+20,000
How does SHE do it

>>32368121
no, the translators aren't trying enough

>>32366891
Marine is currently growing faster than Pekora

>>32368453
that happens to every holo when nearing a milestone

>>32368168
>soon

>>32368031
based and marie-antoinettepilled

>>32368121
They have the China Bilibili audience.
Covercorp's revenue is lesser compared to Ichikara's.

>>32366507
At that growth rate?

>>32368761
Nope I guess?

>>32368121
Its kinda hard to grow when your fanbase gatekeeps so succesfully that many of their livers are lucky to get more than a couple hundred viewers.

>>32368908
don't really think the thread here is relevant to much, there's more members in the company than there are people posting there while numbers in the hundreds of thousands can show up to the big streams

>Podcasts and streamers.
Should have included anime.
>>32369221
Their reddit is a failure.

>>32369259
forgot pic

>>32366891
I was thinking she already had. Considering their content outputs I agree.
The real question is whether she will outpace korone.

>>32368585
It will be interesting when Coco hits 1m, the bugmen will be out in force.

>>32366404
the nijis have more views in their videos

>>32369423
durr they have more contents in their channel dude

>>32369423
In your dreams. Most holo videos are still privated due to permissions

>>32369549
kuzuha channel is about as old as korone channel, so Aqua and FBK don't have any excuse to have that low views.

>>32366404
Holy shit, HoloGODS being that huge is one thing but since when did Kuzuha become #2? Now that Hima is 'taking a break', maybe it's a sign that she'll not come back, leave Nijisanji and join Hololive instead.

>>32369778
Is it actually about permission though? Some of their old archives are them collabing with male and shit, maybe they're pretending those don't exist?

>>32369977
Nice moving the goalposts but it's time to accept that hololive has surpassed nijis in views long ago

>>32369778
Poor Shuba, most of hers were deleted.

>>32369259
ok I guess? im just saying that what is probably considerably less than 0.0005% of the overall fanbase probably isn't a good way to judge the general attitudes of all fans

>>32370251
Where the fuck did I say Hololive didn't surpass Niji in views? Of course they are, just look at their subs. But comparing Nijisanji and Hololive is lame and boring, they're just on different level.

>>32370513
subs and views don't seem to be all that related though kuzuha and pekora did around 20m for the last 30 days and gura did around 10m.

You’re all EOPs

>>32370308
rip subaru's undertale vids

>>32371437
I saw the clips of some and went to hunt down the originals on here channel.
Sad.

>>32371607
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqcdjib9dWCF6SX4fJtd3dYnvgGcdSI9U
If you haven't watched it yet

>>32371929
>https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqcdjib9dWCF6SX4fJtd3dYnvgGcdSI9U
I appreciate you looking out for me anon. Part of it was that I had been hoping to watch them on her own channel for the views and such. Oh well.

>>32369259
It's more of they don't actively pander that audiance.
And i personally thankfull

>>32369221
Japanese nijisanji fans are terrible. The only fanbase more hostile are fanbases on NND. They gatekeep everywhere and attack vtubers at every opportunity including nijisanji livers.

>>32374246
Example of that?

>>32373905
>Rebrand NijiIN to NijiEN. Half assed EN branch is a colossal failure
>See the success of HoloEN and rebrand NijiEN back to NijiIN (poor pajeets)
>Buy up Holo translators in a failed bid to get eop clip watchers.
>Create an official channel for translated matome
>Take over the Nijisanji subreddit in the most corporate way possible.
>Livers start shilling their english only streams on the dead subreddit.

pic unrelated

>>32374511
I'm more talking about their Liver actively pandering to Reddit audiance, which none of what you listed

>>32374511
>>Create an official channel for translated matome
the fuck are you talking about

>>32366404
Comparing Nijisanji to Hololive? That is like comparing Major League Baseball (Hololive) to Bumfuck Township Little League (Nijisanji). One is the big leagues and one is tee ball.

>>32374914
Probably about the official translated clip/puchisanji channel.
Which is just clip from their own jp channel

>>32375002
I don’t think that anon knows what matome are

>>32375228
I Wouldn't surprise, considered he can't tell the difference of corporate activity and talent activity

>>32369326
>can she outpace korone
Fat no because korone appeals to en hololive watchers while pekora doesn't.

>>32374246
there's not really anything to gatekeep if you read japanese? all the historical information you could ever want is publicly available on their ridiculously detailed fan wiki, even has a section dedicated to helping out newcomers with common questions

IM COMING

>>32368031
Mine says under construction. What's going on here?

>>32377002
and it really is ridiculously detailed, on top of individual histories for each member, there are pages on things like the ark or minecraft server telling you details down to when people joined and what tribes they were in, or the details for any 2d/3d reveal, the choices everyone who played detroit made, what rank everyone got to in any season of apex, what name each individual member calls other members on stream, spreadsheets of who sang which song in a karaoke stream when, links to peoples bgms and so on

>>32366404
>Tsukino Mito: 684,000
lol, still only 684,000.
How many days has it been stuck at 684,000? Four days? Five days?

>>32369376
The whole 12 of them?

>>32377798
Do they ever complain if their viewers are losers and not some successful businessman?

Hololive superchat earnings for December 2020
1 Rushia ¥16,965,906
2 Coco ¥16,934,145
3 Pekora ¥14,882,530
4 Marine ¥10,532,049
5 Watame ¥9,216,698
6 Kiara (EN) ¥9,205,282
7 Aqua ¥9,127,791
8 Lamy ¥7,994,865
9 Kanata ¥7,991,865
10 Calliope (EN) ¥7,645,229
11 Flare ¥7,127,882
12 Gura (EN) ¥6,524,858
13 Miko ¥6,086,637
14 Shion ¥5,607,309
15 Mio ¥5,112,016
16 Amelia (EN) ¥5,095,741
17 Korone ¥5,049,624
18 Ayame ¥4,312,400
19 Subaru ¥4,084,253
20 Noel ¥3,975,873
21 Matsuri ¥3,859,462
22 Ina (EN) ¥3,818,606
23 Haato ¥3,616,642
24 Nene ¥3,319,761
25 Suisei ¥3,152,576
26 Botan ¥3,037,792
27 Akirose ¥2,986,547
28 Towa ¥2,909,415
29 Okayu ¥2,820,595
30 Fubuki ¥2,594,490
31 Polka ¥2,291,736
32 Luna ¥2,089,827
33 Roboco ¥1,335,730
34 Choco ¥1,244,057
35 Sora ¥869,958
36 Mel ¥599,331

>>32378977
What about revenue from youtube ads etc?

>>32368661
wait what? im not exactly proficient in chinese but i thought bilibili wanted to host their own vtubers?
isn't that one of the reasons why the anti-hololive propaganda was so strong there? im pretty sure i saw some credible translation on how the attacks are state-approved

>>32378977
Damn, Lamy is actually one of the big players. Who the fuck said 5th gen was a failure?

>>32378977
Have any info on their membership count?

>>32366404
i-is that a...
UUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH
I LOVE NUMBERS!

>>32379029
I dunno but Dola is quite active there
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1qX4y1K7Qr

>>32379049
Isn't she pretty rich already before joining hololive? I guess its almost always true that the rich gets richer

>>32378977
>1 Rushia ¥16,965,906
What the fuck I don't get it

>>32379049
>Lamy gets to dab on Gura

>>32379154
How new? She’s always been the premium GFE and gets the wallets opening.

>>32379049
The 5th gen 3d debuts are kind of a flop so far in terms of superchat.

>>32378977
2020年 スーパーチャットランキング
（VTuberのみ／所属事務所を併記、敬称略）
1位 桐生ココ（ホロライブ）：1億5,022万2,620円
2位 潤羽るしあ（ホロライブ）：1億3,090万2,285円
3位 兎田ぺこら（ホロライブ）：1億26万7,461円
4位 宝鐘マリン（ホロライブ）7,869万8,248円
5位 湊あくあ（ホロライブ）：6,832万3,131円
6位 天音かなた（ホロライブ）：6,483万3,282円
7位 不知火フレア（ホロライブ）：6,134万1,319円
8位 戌神ころね（ホロライブ）：5,752万1,392円
9位 角巻わため（ホロライブ）：5,596万3,790円
10位 葛葉（にじさんじ）：5,413万3,110円

>>32379049
That is just 1 person, the whole gen itself is a failure compared to other gens. Keyword "gen"

>>32379029
VirtuaReal, China's biggest vtuber agency, is a collab between BiliBili and Ichikara.

And just like that, hololive has another 1 million subs member

>>32379029
Virtual Real IS Bilibli's own vtubers, made in association with Ichikara.
The new rules rigged the game in favor of them.

>>32381429
too bad all of those stats can't get them to net those delicious delicious sponsorship money

>>32366404
Lmao
This is the best Nijiniggers have
Tch...

>>32381559
Ikr.
It feels good to be on the winning side.

>>32381559
Hololive numbers are just like startup IPO, sure it's big but they rarely have big profit

>>32381605
Too bad Cover is too braindead to turn the exposure into profit.

>>32381627
>>32381701
Hush hush, back to your thread, that's what needs exposure right now lmao!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPKcwCBOqoc
The absolute state

>>32381732
>niji thread
I wonder where they keep the sponsorships? I know where we keep ours! I’ll even share one!
https://youtu.be/X7E1i8gh1Ss

>>32381605
The thing I don't get is where do all those subs actually go? She reached 500k in August and was still getting the same live viewer numbers back then as she does now and the amount of views she was getting monthly was decreasing for most of that time she was working towards 1 million.

>>32381897
>I’ll even share one!
you mean the only one kek
to answer your question, at this moment some company paid hayato to shill their earphone

>>32381732
What? Ichikara is objectively bigger and richer than Cover despite the gap in subs, views, and SCs.

>>32381830
??????
He's a fan????
Or just leeching for views?

>>32381973
>you mean the only one
>Sponsored by Bushiroad
How do you get away with being this retarded? Whatever. Enjoy not getting picked to have a TCG, faggots.

>>32382089
>Enjoy not getting picked to have a TCG, faggots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxvrxQTzLJc
stop making yourself looks stupid, you make Holofans looks bad

>>32381973
Hololive have Bushiroad and Cygames. Nijisanji have no noteworthy sponsor, just some small companies that don't have a lot of money so they can't hire Hololive to shill for them.

>>32382040
It's Kou. He's an enigma and does whatever the fuck he wants because he's immune to flaming.

>>32382218
Oh good hopefully he gets tons of subscribers from this.

>>32382186
Cygames sponsored a whole Shadowverse thing for Nijisanji though, and Bushiroad have a capsule toy collab thing going on currently with Nijisanji too.

>>32382186
>Cygames
You mean the one who is sponsor's niji shadowverse stream?

Suggestion: Get a hobby

I don't think even 5ch has a thread for both nijifans and holofans to clash in. Why the fuck would anyone think this is a good idea?

>>32382283
>>32382319
Well, they're throwing irrelevant scraps like Shadowverse to Niji while giving the good stuffs like Priconne to Hololive. It's not the same.

Hololive and Nijisanji are just like Jojo and 2hu: one is full of newfag EOPs, and the other is 20 schizos reminiscing about their glory days

>>32382384
How new? It’s constantly happening in the holo threads on 5ch.

>>32382339

>>32382450
No? Have you seen 5ch?

>>32382465
I know that it happens, I'm saying that even in there, it's not encouraged. We should know better than to do what even they don't.

>>32382393
>localized shit by shitty EOP company
lol

>>32382450
>reminiscing about their glory days
60% holo's viewers are EOP no?

>>32382393
Meanwhile Nijisanji gets invited to EA sponsored Apex events, gets Momotaro and Powerpro sponsorship from Konami, gets Mahjong sponsorship from Yostar, has Capcom sponsoring members to play their crane game, Asahi sponsoring them to sell Calpis and so on, Lenovo, steelseries, logitech.

>>32382393
You should worried about that new Sakura Wars mobage instead

>>32382654
and Hololive shilled Square Enix mobage but still isn't allowed to play their real games lol

>>32382450
Found someone who doesn't watch either
amazing

>>32382654
Seeing the recent MH mobage sponsored and MH rise demo stream.
The deal seems to be more than just crane game

>>32382734
Holo needs to pay big company for their collab to shill their vtuber lol

>>32382759
That's the impression someone who only reads the vtuber threads here would have, probably very new or an EOP himself

>>32382654
Epic was sponsoring Rocket League recently too.

>>32382770
Billions of EOP doesn't mean shit to nips lol, they don't give a shit about outside world kek

>>32382654
Most of those are permissions that niji paid for. Meanwhile...
>Didn’t get Activision
https://twitter.com/shishirobotan/status/1303315700061093891?s=20
ngmi

>>32366891
Pekora will overtake fubuki by the end of the month at her current rate.

>>32382866
If I want to watch EOP contens I will watch Pewdiepie instead, who gives a fuck about western game lol

>>32382866
None of those are permissions literally streams that state they are paid promotion in the bottom corner a d have the sponsor listed in the description.

>>32382988
Show me the Capcom and Konami sponsorships.

>>32382654
They also struck deals with a major Japanese baseball league as well as Lawson, the second largest convenience store franchise in the country.

>>32383074
Here are some Konami
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOJUHwQ9uH8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i55GH7l4Y0I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD8hx4j5Xpw

Here are some Capcom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLQuDhIu8v4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASznt8wgaAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrd0LDNmUd8

>>32383117
Hololive also have Lawson sponsorship. And nobody really cares about boredball.

>>32383271
To Japs, baseball is basically a religion.

FamilyMart!

Why is 90% of this thread just trolling? I want to have proper discussions about numbers, not just shitflinging.

>>32383250
Why not including Levergacha SF Arcade games episodes?

>>32383361
I appreciated the number 5. Despite it being an odd number there is a clean roundness about it that I find pleasant. What about you?

The numbers had proven that Nijisanji sucks.
Hololive is now the best vtuber group.

>>32383250
COPE

>>32383441
Based.

>>32383361
>Expecting discussion about Console-war tier topic.
How naive

>>32383428
I don't remember those saying they were paid promotion.

I'm surprised that nobody devised a way for people to buy to buy stocks of e-celbs.
I mean think about it: it would not only be a great way to increase income but also make the fan base more invested since making fan art, edits , subs , OC and otherwise promoting e-celebs they own shares of would now be in their direct financial interest.
It would also incentivize the fans to follow them on social media to stay up to date on any development that might influence their value.
the only real problem i can think of is that there would be rampant insider trading.

I thouh this was numberfag thread, not nijigger vs holocuck thread

>>32383534
Are we talking pain promotion or just sponsorship in general?

>>32383575
Isn't that kinda what happen to Ai?

This indie is fucking dangerous, she's a bull market. Any rumours about company recruiting her?

>>32383575
You'll probably be able to buy stocks in Ichikara and Cover within the next few years if they don't implode.

Here have some numbers

3.1415926535 8979323846 2643383279 5028841971 6939937510 5820974944 5923078164 0628620899 8628034825 3421170679

>>32382985
Baseball is also an American game.

Mmmmmmm! SEGA money! I’m gonna....
UUUUUOOOOOOOOOHHHHH
https://youtu.be/Zd9xvvfKU2s

>>32384020
Are they particularly interested in the indonseian market for PSO2? They paid Hana too didn't they.

>>32378977
hold up hold up
is that $169k in a single month

>>32384846
yup. that's why even with only 30%, top hololivers still get 50K and are rich. Not as rich as international stars and corporate execs, but still rich.

>>32382281
kek The absolute state of Nijisanji

>>32385038
absolute state of what? being able whatever the hell he wants compared to career almost ended just because there's "male" voice on stream?

>>32385035
thats a lotta money for a little japanese girl

>>32385174
bet the spend it all on makeup and purses

>>32385213
no they spend it all on gacha games on their phones

What do the holo's each get for a base salary?

>>32385108
People are trying to dig up shit about him and getting depressed when finding out about his past interactions with holos like Aqua.

>>32385108
Like clockwork tell me when is Roa going to stream?

>>32385307
after Moruru and Aloe come back

>>32382030
>Ichikara is objectively bigger and richer than Cover
it isnt

Numbers time

>>32383780
I'm not an expert on venture capital or anything but I did some brief reading about this and the big investment round Ichikara did last year was their Series B funding. From what I read for a typical start up Series C investment is often the last round before they do an IPO if they are going to do one. Series C funding is often focused towards expanding and scaling up of an already proven business.

>>32385400
what do these numbers mean

How many big companies you're affilated with does not equal profit

>>32385400
>apex again
Is niji even trying anymore?

>>32385745
It's tourney time

>>32378977
>Sora was the janetty all along

>>32382654
I was wondering how much do you think Yostar pays for an event like that Mahjong tournament? They have 64 people participating in it over 2 full days of streaming. 100k+ viewer peak streams, maybe 5 million views from the tournament without thinking about the practice streams, they also got their Saki collab advertised during the the streams too.

I'm pretty sure this is the most superchatted single stream right now, someone double check for me.

>>32385958
game sponsorships are usually in the 5 figure range (USD) but if it's a really big / long / popular stream like that it could go over 100,000

>>32376183
Pekora has a pretty sizeable overseas fanbase but I guess watching clips wouldn't tell you that, would it?

>>32385326
Luna left that bullying shithole and the autistic nijiniggers couldn't even keep Aloe down.

Now tell me is Nijisanji really gonna graduate both Meiro and Roa and you bootlickers are gonna pretend like its fine?

>>32386036
you mean in the history of vtubers or that is currently live?

>>32386152
Vtubers. The currently live one is easy as fuck to check.

Nijifags have been saying Luna is gonna retire for over a year

>>32386036
For this week, yes.

>>32386135
Do you actually believe that? Not even 5ch autists believe that.

>>32386036
Pretty sure the most SC'd stream of all time is Kagami Hayato's 3D debut.
https://twitter.com/2434rankings/status/1292810945538875398
10,269,624 yen is $98855.40.

>>32386135
Meiro is fired.
Roa, transfering to VirtuaReal I guess.

>>32386290
Ah, interesting. I legitimately didn't know that.

>>32386180
Kagami Hayato 3D was about $100,000

>>32385400
Yashiro deserves all the views, he's good in gaming and entertaining at the same time. Sasuga a pro.

>>32386288
Why would Luna leave the company that gets all the sponsorships all the money and that hosts events with 100k people on each day, to join Hololive who at the time was even smaller than it is now, maybe Nijisanji is full of pieces of shit and the money ain't worth it.

No Suityan, I'm not watching a fall guys stream

>>32386362
Fuck I wish those money are mine.

>>32386381
Nijisanji doesn't make more money than Hololive

>>32386044
I can't imagine 16hrs of streaming the same game to 90-110k people live with many millions of archived views would be on the cheap end of that scale?

>>32386381
Speculation as to why she left was already discussed to death when she left, and being bullied wasn't part of it. That's just something EOPs made up after she joined Hololive.
When she was in Nijisanji she was near the very bottom in terms of popularity and they didn't have nearly as much sponsorships.
If you were there when it happened you would know all this.

>>32386381
Luna is a menhera who reincarnates as casually as she breathes. Don't be surprised when she does it again.

>>32386527
According to nijifags they do, making Luna leaving their company an abnormality since she can come back at any time and still decided to join Hololive instead, they are swimming in dosh and yet she decided to leave and still do the same job at other place, I can only think that they mistreated her over there since there's 0 benefits to joining Hololive over Nijisanji.

>>32386588
Maybe, knowing the total views is a more accurate gauge than the highest concurrent

>>32386651
Nijifags don't know what they're talking about and think clout = profit
Working with big companies doesn't mean you're making a lot of money, working with big numbers means you're making a lot of money
And the company having money doesn't mean the employee gets the money, they definitely earn more money personally working at Hololive than they do at Nijisanji

>>32386591
She left the biggest vtuber company to join a lower than average one at the time, Hololive was small fish when she joined, her leaving Nijisanji for a smaller company would warrant her an even lower viewership, the only logical reason is mistreatment, if she doesn't quit Hololive that is the only logical answer.

>>32386732
They also got number 1 trending on youtube and twitter with it I think, wonder if they do bonsues for stuff like that or something with all the additional exposure it brings.

>>32386605
>Luna is a menhera who reincarnates as casually as she breathes

This is a garbage narrative. NND communities aren't past lives. Her account and name stayed the same.

>>32386591
>>32386651
After the Meiro-Roa situation she complained about liars and trash-talkers at her "previous workplace" on her indie account. That doesn't mean she was bullied, but she was at least dissatisfied with the workplace environment.

>>32383437
I like two because it's the month of my birthday

>>32386807
She didn't "leave Nijisanji to join Hololive". You are aware of what she did on her personal account during the downtime right?

Can we talk about numbers in the numbers thread and not dumb narratives?

Lol, this thread is even worse than the other one. Guess I’m not surprised who the OP is.

>>32386817
No they pay before the stream, they don't get paid afterwards based on performance
How much they get paid is determined by their predicted reach which is usually, how many people in total do you think are going to view the video
Length of the video doesn't matter that much, it doesn't matter of someone watches for 16 hours or 5 minutes

>>32386876
Why not come back to Nijisanji then

>>32386892
Just ignore them, I'm collecting data for tomorrow's ranking.

>>32386892
Sure

>>32386921
I couldn't say. There could be a variety of reasons.
Can you tell me why you're so convinced that it's because she got bullied?

>>32386904
Fairly sure the length of the video does matter. That's why most of the typical shill streams Ichikara do are exactly one hour long, its literally a standard basic package they offer, a few tweets and an hour stream of your game.

>>32386904
Sponsorship deals like these are usually negotiated on a case by case basis so it's hard to make sweeping statements, but generally there's also a performance clause in there that gives out bonuses depending on their metrics.

>>32387019
Length of a video only matters to the extent that people watch the video. You could make a 5 second video and it wouldn't matter to advertisers so long as it gets lots of views.

>>32386036
Top 5 most superchatted stream
>1. Hayato 3D Debut: $95,310
>2. Kuzuhas Birthday: $65,248
>3. Marine 1M Subs Utawaku: $63,715* (*stream still ongoing)
>4. Coco 3D Debut: $49,996
>5. Matsuri Apex Gacha: $48,485

>>32387104
You are missing Akina 3D.

>>32387046
At the company I work for we pay streamers to play video games and we have never paid anyone extra based on "performance", and I've never heard of anyone else doing it either. Most advertising I've seen is fire and forget, unless you're running a campaign over a period of time or something

>>32387104
and Sio 3D ¥6,422,762

>>32386999
She left a rich popular and full of sponsorships company to join a smaller less popular one, I can only think of personal grievances towards said company, either Nijisanji is this paradise of money and everyone's supper happy and rich or they aren't doing as great as nijifags here want people to believe.

>>32387282
Oh you're the "rich and talented" anon, I knew all the regular spergs would be here.

>>32387142
>>32387235
thanks

Top 5 most superchatted stream
>1. Hayato 3D Debut: $95,310
>2. Akina 3D Debut: $72,864
>3. Kuzuhas Birthday: $65,248
>4. Marine 1M Subs Utawaku: $63,856
>5. Sio 3D Debut $61,852

>>32386995
its good that holoID channel is not being a bitch.
you look at JP and you can see that leech Hololive Ch. being so slutty for subs

>>32386381
The thing is, not everyone can get that kind of money in Nijisanji. Nijisanji, unlike Hololive, where the company is supporting everyone equally, everyone get new outfit and everyone get high quality 3d models, etc. They abandoned the unpopular members and take advantage of the popular ones. Talented people like Maimoto put in shitload of efforts to make those huge events possible while the company's pouring the money they get from Maimoto to push their favorite member like Pushmochi, having him collab with top members like Mito, Kuzuha, Himawari, Sasaki, etc. They also push him in every huge event possible, even gave him a solo event. Shit's pretty fucked up.

>>32387282
Or she can't compete on much more fierce competition so she decide to quit and goes to smaller company since the competition is much smaller

>>32387346
And here's the Kenmochi newfag.

>>32387336
any bets on whether Coco's 1M milestone and free chat can break into this ranking?
I'd say shes got a fairly big chance.

>>32387282
You would have a point if she wasn't the ONLY person out of 100+ to go to Hololive.
Seriously, if Nijisanji is so evil and Holo so good, why aren't more Nijis switching over? We all know that Himawari, Lulu, Lize, Ars, Amamiya and many others would thrive there, so why aren't they doing just that and moving to these greener pastures?

>>32387531
Different anon but I'm pretty sure hololive audition is pretty fierce. They also space out their gens properly.

>>32387358
Her viewership would be even worse if she tried to start anew in hololive, the main difference is that she would get less of those super popular sponsorships that give so much money.

>>32387531
Why do you think Hololive just lets anyone in? They only do recruitment drives every so often, and you're a fucking idiot to think actually successful vtubers would leave behind their old personality to start over

>>32387617
Do you honestly think when someone sponsors a big group collab in Niji that any of the participants see that money?

>>32387531
I've heard some rumors that Tomoshika from VOMS left nijisanji to go indie (don't know if they are true), it doesn't really need to be specifically Hololive, and again leaving a company you are already stabilished in to join a smaller one is carreer suicide, specially one as good as nijisanji right, wonder what happened with Luna.

>>32381532
and yet that isn't stopping Hololive's rise.

>>32387628
You're basically saying that Luna fucking sucked as Moruru.

>>32381532
Hololive gets sponsorships all the time

>>32387755
Or that she hated working for Nijisanji for some reason

>>32387755
she had 60k subscribers so yeah

>>32378977
>Of all the EN girls, kiara has the most supachas
?????????????????????????????

>>32387804
Didn't she leave in 2018? That's a lot

>>32387834
Money wasn't worth more in 2018

>>32387338
Can't wait for the HoloID channel to pass the pride of NijiID in subs

>>32387825
Kiara is almost Lamy like when it comes to her fanbase and the level of deviotion they show to her.

>>32387755
She did. She was struggling to get 4 digit viewers before she left.

>>32387662
Then why do nijifags constantly bring up sponsors like its actually good for the livers?

>>32387662
Why would they not...?

>>32388004
They are, when they are sponsorships for solo streams
If you sponsor a stream with dozens of people on it, you split that money between all the members, if you're even paying them at all
Big group streams are only good for the company, not the individual members

>>32387951
Most of their neglected livers are lucky to pull more than a couple hundred viewers.

God I hate Kiara so much
everything about her makes me angry
Her voice, her copy of pekora laugh, her design, her fans, her number gagging fuck her

>>32388004
Because it goes different for each contract?
You are saying like everyone got sponsorship money even for those who unrelated to the work/contract.

>>32387951
I think a good chunk of nijis are struggling to get 4 digits

>>32388063
Because the more people you have on a single stream the less negotiating power any single one of them has to the point where if you are having 30+ it might aswell just be considered part of their normal streaming duties

>>32388123
bro, sum them all up, I swear its great numbers

>>32388084
rent free

>>32387531
>We all know that Himawari, Lulu, Lize, Ars, Amamiya and many others would thrive there
They still have to pass the audition. After Aloe and Kaoru, most niji whores are now disqualified by default

>>32387951
That's normal for nijis. There's maybe two dozen of them who regularly manage to break four digits, and most of them are stuck in the 1-2k range. The vast, vast majority of them pull a couple of hundred viewers.

>>32388123
Literally indie tier..nijifags stop shitposting and watch your livers, even I feel bad for them.

>>32388123
>>32388206
I'm talking about Moruru of 2018, when she was doing comparatively very badly. Nothing to do with how the current members are doing. Reading comprehension, please.

Is there a page that shows the numbers for every niji like holostats?

>>32388263
Even back then most nijis didn't pull four digit numbers.

>>32388263
The low perfoming niji members were doing better in 2018 then they are currently? yab

>>32387825
GFE brings in the cash

>>32387825
She milks her fanbase in 10 hour long SC streams like crazy

DUHHH NUMBERS!!!! DUHHH NUHMBURZ!!???!!1 NUMBERS!!!!! IS THAT ALL YOU SHITPOSTING FUCKS CAN SAY!!??? DURR INCLINING RECLINING GROWTH SUBS LEACH MILESTONES INCLINING NUMBERS I FEEL LIKE IM IN A FUCKING ASYLUM FULL OF AUTISM RIDDEN VIRGINS OBSESSED WITH NOTHING BUT FUCKING DIGITS! NUMBERS INCLINING GROW SUBS RECLINING!!! LE MILESTONE!!!1 SASUGA SHORK LE CUNNY!!! AHGHGH I FUCKING HATE THE INTERNET SO GODDAMN MUCH FUCKJK YOU SHITPOSTER! CHOKE ON YOUR OWN FECES IN HELL YOU COCKSUCKER VUT OHHH I KNOWM MY POST IS SCHIZO ISNT IT?? SCHIZO MEDS GO BACK MEDS SCHIZO REDDIT REDDIT NUMBERS INCLINING SASUGA SCHIZO MEDS NUMBERS NUMBEUUURS!!!!!!

>>32388304
Yes? Getting 4 digit viewers was the norm. A "big" stream would get maybe 10k viewers, with everyone else between 1k and 5k. When Idolbu had solid and stable numbers with their relays, and when Luna would collab with Roboco and other 3 digit vtubers. She was way behind the others.

>>32388564
Ogey

>>32388574
It still is the norm the vast majority of members average above 1k.

Is the Niji dog streamer okay? Last I heard she lost her job and was begging for money on stream.

>>32388564
The evolution of this pasta continues to amuse.

>>32388710
In any case, the point I was trying to make was that Luna's numbers were very low at the time.

>>32378977
How are Okayu and Fubuki among the likes of Twap, Aki and Luna when it comes to supacha, even though they have way more viewers?

Is it because Fubuki collabs with men and Okayu isn't that conventionally feminine?

>>32388860
I was just mostly pointing out that what the other guy was saying was nonsense. Half the people that struggle to maintain 1k barely even stream to begin with and the idea that most people bare stuck between 1-2k doesn't match reality either. Over half the active members average more than that and around a third average more than 5k.

>>32388959
zatsudans are big deals.

>>32388959
Well, if Rushia and Lamy are successful off of being peak GFE, it can be reasoned to assume that being anti-GFE works in the opposite direction for supacha.

FBK and Okayu (and Suisei, as she's in the lower half too) are generally more professional in their relationship with the viewers. Also, when it comes to Fubuki, she doesn't read many superchats.

>>32388782
Still looking for a job, she does stream during MK Tourney, but have gave her position for finals afterward due to appointment.

>>32387698
>that isn't stopping Hololive's rise.
but that stopping them for playing MH Rise
>>32387763
name the sponsorship they got this week

>>32389125
You want me to go through 50+ channels just to find out what they were sponsored to play?

>>32389125
>>32389198
Lamy did a MOLLY one like 2 days ago, I swear nijifags must make an excel sheet to masturbate each other over sponsorships

>>32389299
Fubuki and Marine did some shitty game promo 6 days ago too

>>32389332
Nijitards are the only that make a big deal out of sponsorships

>>32389299
>excel sheet to masturbate each other over sponsorships
As opposed too holofags that always brag about view number? (Only when they're on top btw)
>>32389384
Because it's a big deal, unlike subscribers numbers that doesn't translate into viewer

>>32389125
EN's are getting sponsored to shill shit like shadowverse and priconne.

>>32389496
hololive gets sponsorships all the time just like nijisanji
more views = more sponsorships, I haven't seen any evidence to suggest they're any different

>>32389496
Hololives thrashes nijisanji unless there's some big event going on, fuck I'm starting to think nijifans only watch tournaments and gacha while forgetting they exist nost of the time

>>32389098
What did he mean by this?

are these good numbers?

Nijisanji having clear haves and have-nots in their group amazes me. You see half of them in every big collab and then the rest are never around like Kyoko, Sayo, Moira, etc.

>>32389848
If you actually watched any of those 3, you would know why.

>>32389812
Skyrimfags must be desperate.

Numberbros... the last Fall Guys Coco stream is bugged on playboard, it stopped counting superchats 10 minutes into the stream.
I’m scared, playboard is all we have to numberfag properly.

>>32389848
Amazing, tell us more.

>>32390887
It takes awhile to update, give it a couple of hours. It did the same thing to Gura's superchats too.

>>32390887
stop worrying dude lmao

give it to me straight YUAbros; are these good numbers?

>>32392452
I admire her will to keep going

This thread is full of misinformed retards

>>32375002
>Which is just clip from their own jp channel
It's even more hilarious than that, actually. They remake the clips from scratch. Or rather I'm pretty sure whoever is in charge of content for the channel just copies them, making a snip here and extending a bit there in a "just change it up so they don't notice" manner of homework completion. I've also seen them use part of someone else's Japanese matome for a Fall Guys video.

>>32392452
YAUline is manabi line of Vtuber, of course it's good

Numbers thread, give me the heights of the tallest and shortest vtubers you know.

>>32366507
No, she will be out of the top 50 though

>>32377948
Yes, the same 12 wumao that post those screencaps of a woman almost identical to kson engaged in webcam sex

Do you think this will turn into a general

>>32386995
>hana losing to the dagger of all people
jesas

>>32392452
>YUA
Now that's a name I have not heard in a long time.

>>32383271
I would take any oppurtunity to dunk on Niji, but this just isn't true. Baseball is huge in Japan. Seriously, watch Japanese baseball, it's awesome.

>>32384068
Don't know how well that went, nobody watches Hana anymore, lol

>>32389125
Ok? I neither really know or care about MH rise, its their loss. I'm great with them playing the games they do play, collabs,zatsudan, singing, etc.

and if they're doing so well at a permissions disadvantage because Ichikara got dem connections, and Cover is literally a small indie company, then their continued growth can only rise as they DO get more permissions and recognition. And with the continued sub growth and view increase, they WILL be recognized. Hell, Pekora already 2nd largest female streamer on Youtube.

>>32396932
Are you just going off of watch time? In terms of subs/unique views, no vtuber is even in the top 1000 for females.

I've always felt that there was a difference between being a numberfag (quality analysis and data collection) and being a numbernigger (putting down girls for shit numbers or oshi wars)

>>32385400
Is it safe to say that Marine has passed Pekora as the most popular holo now? She has been performing consistently better for while now. Seems that Pekora's boom was from her hyped up events but she is starting to fall back to normalcy.

>>32398157
Not really, if Marine and Pekora play the same game Peko is gonna get more viewers, you need to remember their fanbase also overlaps a lot

>>32387755
Anonchama... I gotta be honest, Luna is really a better character for her to play than Moruru. I've tried watching some Moruru vods, and Luna's voice just really doesn't fit. I'm not even a nijinigger and even I can tell. However, there is still evidence that Niji was a shithole company, but it's really only us schizos that hate each other so much.

>>32398157
Why does it matter on who is popular or not, at the end of the day we are entertained by female anime avatars that we always lust and fantasize. Popularity means nothing but apparently it is to the shallowest of people.

>>32399097
There's a reason the numberfags had to split threads. They're generally hated by the general threads and are schizos that love shitting them up.

>>32389991
I can't watch Sayo and Moira because they're never fucking around. And Sayo is fucking weird anyway.

They're like Gil except without the funny gimmick of being Gil

>>32399176
i swear these are the same people that proclaims how jojo is the best anime ever

>>32398157
Marine is approaching 1m while Peko is past it already. Big round number thresholds always draw views and subs.

>>32388084
I don't hate her but I don't like her.

>>32387825
Kiara sits there and reads them all.

>>32388084
don't worry she is the most irrelevant holo, imagine having 700K subs but still struggling to get viewers compared to Ina who also has 700K subs and has a respectable amount of viewers

>>32401008
Marine is already at 1M

>>32386995
iofi....

>>32385361
https://p2y.jp/nijisanji-ichikara-the-capital-has-exceeded-2-6-billion-yen/

Cover has 6 times less the capital of Ichikara. Cover has 452,808,545 yen, Ichikara has 2,641,914,764

>>32405731
This article is somewhat dated.

>>32405731
Ichikara received Chinamen money.
What a disgrace.

>>32395322
The tallest vtuber is Ars Almal.
The shortest vtuber is Debidebidebiru

>>32406457
Wrong
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm36252741

>>32406583
Youtube Version
https://youtu.be/IjlXwEqI-eY

>>32385174
>little japanese girl
They're mostly Japanese women in their late 20s and 30s pretending to be little Japanese girls.

>>32405799
its only slightly out of date, and while I'd love an updated article, I seriously doubt Cover has increased its capital 6 times over. in 4 months

>>32399097
Because it's a numberfag thread idiot. We are talking about NUMBERS.......OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>32405731
That makes Ichikara that much more pathetic. They have 6 times the capital but they still can't compete with Cover. Kind of pathetic on their part that they get blown out so hard by a much smaller company. They have Bug money and they are backed by Sony and they still can't compete.

>>32408437
?
Ichikara is valued higher and they have higher earnings as well.

>>32408437
They are a hipster tech-startup with VC money and a flimsy/outdated business model. This has been the past 30 years anon.
I'm sure some people think they make money. Like some people think youtube and twitter make money.

Is this thread a preview of what's to come when NijiEN comes out?

>>32408437
Ichikara was funded 1 year later than Cover and became this much bigger, how are they're getting blown out? Cover still hasn't profited from their international branches even.

>>32409078
Yeah, Niji is the shining example of profitable overseas branches, isn't it?

https://signal.diamond.jp/articles/-/527

Yagoo seems to touch a little on finances in this article that came out today.

>>32369376
LOL imaging thinking the bugmen are in any degree of united right now.
This is the current state of the bugmen as of Sunday
>due to long infighting, there are now FOUR (4) separate threads and groups
>the initial Hololive group, which still supports the company, does pirate fan subbing on billibilli, etc. is still by and away the most active one. They occasionally get raided by the others but jannies have threatened to ban the raiders - many who stayed with the thread or came back to it think Coco literally did nothing wrong. Several of the people who have accused them of being traitors to China ended up having even more skeletons in their closet - there's one guy in particular who got straight up arrested and is now awaiting trial because he openly hosted a non-CCP VPN to get people to spam Coco and the like. Most of the posters often make shitposts like "WE SAVED THE HONOR OF CHINA! WE MANAGED TO REACH 800 DISLIKES ON A YOUTUBE VIDEO! ONLY 22K MORE TO GO" Also, all of the merch made for Hololive is, surprise surprise, still produced in China
>the initial spam group dedicated to trying to force and mentally break down Coco. Many of these posters have either reneged, vanished, or got banned, leaving only the most dedicated. There's pretty much just five kingpins: three people who operate multiple Twitter accounts and try to spam Coco hashtags (not knowing that Twitter doesn't put Mandarin tweets in the Top list unless you're Taiwanese), many of which have been shadowbanned or outright suspended, and the two bot "programmers" who are dedicated to finding loopholes to shit up Coco's chat, all but one which have been patched out now. The only way they can now spam is by having one account signed across multiple devices and to post whatever message they have at once. That means that the jackass you see spamming multiple times has to spend approximately 10 - 15 minutes setting up his computer, laptop, and probably a few phones, only to do it all over again. Also, YT automatically shadowbans or suspends these accounts if they get muted or banned in chat after doing this, rendering the account inoperable. They also somehow believe that Coco's removal will make Cover come back to China and start "healing".
>the anti-Hololive group is in a state of perpetual collapse and it's really only being kept alive by two schizos, one of which was recorded as making over 300 posts in the thread over a period of 26 straight hours, having an absence of 3 hours, and then posting another 250 posts in a span of 18. Their original goal was because Hololive supported Coco, all of Cover must fall, but everyone, even the anti-Coco group, thinks they're clinically insane, especially when it came to light that the thread creator was arrested as a juvenile for trying to rape a train conductor while the train was running. As a result, this group is called (via an abbreviation) The Rapes on the Orient Express. Their latest effort is masquerading as MAGA / Americans on Twitter pretending to be anti-China to get westerners to get mad at Cover so they can cancel their business contracts.
>the "rival company" group, which is essentially a support group for former Hololive fans that went to the Nijisanji thread to get their fix but were kicked out of the thread for being unable to control their autism. Most of the posters have returned to the original Hololive thread, so now it operates in this weird twilight where it's just 5 or so people talking amongst themselves about indie vtubers.

>>32409501
I’m not reading that

So, most Niji have day job and only become Vtuber as a side gig? I'm honestly unsure how Ichikara make so much money outside of sponsorship.

>>32408942
Fundamentally Cover and Ichikara have the exact same business model though. Just with focuses and strengths in different areas.

Bring in people with free entertainment. Some of them will turn into hardcore fans and continue to spread what you are doing through word of mouth. Turn that fanbase you build up into money with superchat, goods, events, ad revenue and sponsorship/collaboration. Share some portion of that profit with the talents.

>>32409463
>In May 2020, we raised about 700 million yen, of which 40 million yen was invested in motion capture development. Currently, our annual sales are about double-digit billion yen.

Can anyone who read confirm deepl is somewhat accurate?

>>32409501
who are you quoting? Holy shit...

>>32409136
The thing that you're missing is that they managed to catch the indog audience while holoID is still fillied with filithy EOP's.

however nijiID is a fucking failure and it should be dissolved ASAP

>>32368121
They're trying to grab overseas somewhat...well the ones that have some to very little understanding of English posted on THAT site. Akane is the most active in trying to get more subs.

>>32409638
Yep. There's only about two dozen or so of them who do vtubing as their full time job. Even someone like gundou still works a full time job outside of vtubing.

>>32409919
>catch the indog audience
In what universe? The only successful talents in nijiid are the two who stream almost entirety in English, the other talents literally perform worse than the indos own local indies.

>>32409501
>The Rapes on the Orient Express
You're kidding me right? This can't be real

>>32410372
They have a music videos with tons of views on their main channel ad have their own webcomic.

so yes, they got the indog audience.

>>32411120
Then explain how they are getting outdone by indie indo vtubers

>>32411399
They're not though, if you want to see real failures, look no further than nijiIN

>>32411592
Their newest generation are sitting at 10k subs and less than a hundred live views six months after debut. Thsts worse than some indies

>>32409501
>Several of the people who have accused them of being traitors to China ended up having even more skeletons in their closet - there's one guy in particular who got straight up arrested and is now awaiting trial because he openly hosted a non-CCP VPN to get people to spam Coco and the like
Nice to see that even China has it's own projectionfags projecting their shit onto others.

>>32409647
nah VC money means you skip the part where you need to make money off the thing your business is supposed to be doing. Ichikara could just scattershot hire like 50 people and then go back to drinking expensive coffee and networking. Cover had to make money off each generation to afford the next.

>>32412287
Not sure where you get the impression Cover doesn't have VC funding. They both do, just Ichikara has more, they're further ahead in the same process.

>>32412287
Here is an article covering the history of the investments they have received if you are interested
https://thebridge.jp/2020/05/cover-jpy700m-funding
Cover raised seed money from Mizuho Capital, TLM and individual investors in 2017, Then in 2018 they did Series A funding, from Glee Ventures (STRIVE), OLM Ventures and Mizuho Capital. Then in 2020 they raised more funding from Hakuhodo DY Ventures, i-nest capital, Chiba Dojo, DIMENSON, SMBC Venture Capital with some of that coming from debt financing from Mizuho Bank.

>>32413283
>Glee
Oh that company actually spells their name as Gree in English.

>>32412405
>>32413283
To put that in the context of what I was talking about. Cover has made like 400m yen in superchats.

>>32414204
Think you are underestimating that a bit there. Last month alone Nijisanji made around 130m yen in superchat and Hololive somewhere around 200m yen.

>>32414502
yeah it's actually 1.8b yen

>>32409638
Merchandising and Voice pack.
VP is also way for smaller liver income, since it's self produce.
Some of the member also working for behind the stuff or commissioned for fellow member.

>>32369778
Subaru should be on the 100m but she basically lost all her views, total views are not longer a fiable measurement due to deleted content which Hololive have A LOT, daily views is a better metric even while is really not.

>>32378977
A reminder Coco didn't stream for 1/3 of all december.

>>32384846
Coco basically gets 2000 bucks right into her pocket on the daily, even while counting days where she doesn't stream at all.

>>32387471
The problem with tatsunokos is that they throw money ALL THE TIME, they should get organized and start saving money for the big event which will be next month.

>>32405731
And between how much people is that money divided? Ichikara is backed up by papa Sony and big chinese companies. Hololvie is backed up by 5 weebs that know how to code.

>>32415650
Why do you guys not even know about Cover? The history of their investments from a whole variety of venture capital firms is posted just a little up the thread.

>>32407340
Rushia and Coco are both over 30.

>>32415650
>>32415723
And actually some of those are really big companies too, Mizuho is one of the biggest banking groups in Japan, Hakuhodo is one of the biggest ad agencies.

what's the narrative with holos making sub 1 minute videos every day? to inflate view count?

>>32419042
I'd assume it's some sort of top down/manager mandate meant to capitalize on the success of Friend's short videos from around a year ago.

>>32419042
>inflate
oh schizo hours here we come

>>32419042
Only a few of them do that

>>32409715
The translation is accurate, though I don't know how accurate the article itself is.

>>32419042
Nope, subs. Its damn good at it too.

>>32421463
oh yea, also the green screens are good for memes, so helps with reddit shit and placing them in youtube shit too. Its basically the blocks for free advertisement by fans in completely unrelated contexts. Like with fubuki.

>>32419042
They took a page from our boy Jerma and his greenscreen shenanigans that make for easy abuseable meme content that is basically free advertising.

>>32421604
Ichikara should really hire someone familiar with western internet culture if they want their EOP branch to do well.

>>32421683
Knowing them they'll probably just end flailing about and letting their en branch sink or swim by themselves just like all the other foreign branches they've set up.

what was the latest earning for Cover and Ichikara?

test

>>32409919
Don't say that, you're gonna make Hana cry.

>>32409078
He released that statement after the CN branch was axed. That branch was a failure and a money pit, thank god Coco cut off that tumor.

Okay the fuck happened here?

>>32423167
HoloEN happened

>>32423167
Not really sure what it is supposed to show even with such little context

>>32423214
That massive fucking drop in viewership

>>32423331
That isn't showing a drop in viewership though? I assume subscribers rank means, where she would be positioned in a ranking of all youtubers in Japan. So there is some group of channels that overtook her in subscribers pushing her down. Going and looking at the actual chart it represents around 400 channels taking her over during one week in December. Which does seem odd because her other stats like views and new subs don't seem to be all that far out of the ordinary range.

>>32422925
They also made an enemy out of pretty much the entire Chinese audience.
That's based, sure, but business isn't based on what's based. Hololive is now a liability for any potential sponsor wanting to keep on China's good side. Case in point, Asus.

>>32423540
At this point its just a few schizo nationalists that are barely hanging on, most of the chinese audience has gone back to watching Hololive. After the Asus community manager chinkout Asus rolled some heads in their CN branch. The way things are going it won't be long before the bugs give up.

>>32424070
Come back to me when Hytale comes out.
If Tencent-owned Riot gives Hololive gets the permission to play it, I'll gladly take the L and admit that this isn't such a big deal.

>>32409715
It would be more accurately translated as 'around 1 billion yen' for annual sales.

The Kanji 億 is for 100,000,000. and 10 of it = 1 billion. Yagoo says annuals sales are double digit 億, so 1 billion at the least.

>>32425172
Just want to add that the september article mentions their sales being in the 400,000,000 range? So that's... quite a big difference in 3 months. implies they doubled and more their sales of the first 9 months.

>>32409463
what is the purpose of this article? to let potential investors of their grow?

>>32425268
which September article? searching for vtuber, hololive and so on in that website is only coming up with that one

>>32425367
I mean, why would any company's CEO agree to be interviewed for an article?

>>32425782
Why not? you never read CEO interview before?

>>32425464
Made a mistake, september article was actually referencing capital.

Hololive Foreign Money Superchat
More than 50% of Towa and Aki paycheck has been paid by overseas for the past 6 months.

do we have any data on how expensive the commissions for the 2D avatars / 3d models are?

>>32429101
Isn't it nice to be loved all over the world

>>32429238
On the open market? Depends on the quality. For something on the same quality as the Hololive or nijisanji models it can easily cost 2-3k or much higher depending on exactly how many extra features are include. A simple, barebones model can cost about 2-300.