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I seek to make every Touhou grimdark but some prove to be more difficult than others. How do I make Lily WHite grimdark?

>> No.3223947

Lily Noir
Make her a bitter, loner woman. Problem solved

>> No.3223950
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>> No.3223965

just make her devour the souls of lost children or something, she's a minor character, nobody will pay attention anyway.

>> No.3223976
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I can see it now...

>> No.3223977
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With a few stupid/fat exceptions, most youkai hibernate through the winter period.

Lily White's IT'S SPRING! announcement is the call to the bestial youkai to wake up. Human season's come round again.

Wake up, smell the blood. Time to hunt.

>> No.3223981

>>3223977
>most youkai hibernate through the winter period.

No.

>> No.3223982
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>>3223977
This is how the pic ends.

>> No.3223985
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Kisume = best Touhou mid-boss

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>>3223985

Yes.

>> No.3223988
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dat face

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>>3223988

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>>3223982
Good thing faires regenerate.

>> No.3224008

>>3223981
Fine.

Yukari hibernates through the winter period.

>> No.3224017

>>3223977
>Wake up, smell the blood. Time to hunt.

I like that.

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>>3223944
When she arrives, people scream in terror and mothers herd their children indoors, because Lily's wake falls a terrifying hail of deadly danmaku that leaves those caught outside blind, crippled, or dead.

>> No.3224022

Question: Lily white is a stage4 midboss. Letty is stage 1 boss. Who wins?

>> No.3224023
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>> No.3224026

>>3223987
Oh god, why did I laugh? We need a nico nico video of this.

>> No.3224034

>>3224022
In a danmaku battle? No idea.
In a real battle? Letty by far. Lily is a fairy, Letty is the god damn winter.

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>>3224022
WINTER IS THE MOST AWESOME SEASON

>> No.3224056
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i always want to cry when i see Letty and Cirno

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>>3224038
FUCK YOU NO

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>>3224022
They're both manifestations of their seasons. Spring always beats winter. Lily wins.

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>>3223977

That went surprisingly well. Well done.

<--- TIME FOR THE NEXT CHALLENGE

>> No.3224063
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>>3224058

>> No.3224070

>>3224060
>They're both manifestations of their seasons.
No, just Letty.
Lily is just a fairy that goes batshit crazy when spring comes.

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>>3224062

>> No.3224074

>>3224062
Tewi is not a challange, seriously. You have one of the oldest beings in Gensokyo present as a cute little bunny. She is evil alright.

>> No.3224075
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dohohoho

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>>3224038
REALLY?

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>>3224062

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Leave summer, leave and never come back~

6 days left!

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>>3224072
> cirno and her mom
if only...

>> No.3224083

>>3224074

I don't see the angle, really. She eats grass instead of humans, and while she's a habitual liar and prankster she also grants luck to people. I can't see an easy way to make her GRIMDARK.

>> No.3224087

>>3224083
Errr...
Tewi is the usual evil mastermind in most GRIMDARK gensokyo doujins.
You don't have to eat people or kill them yourself to be scary. You can lead them to their death by pretending to help them. Think of her yandere wise.

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even if spring come after winter, lily will never have friends

>> No.3224090
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Let's prepare for their arrival /jp/!

>> No.3224091
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A new challenger appears!

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Patchy is now grimdark.

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>>3224090
i find them more weak than Letty and Lily

>> No.3224099

>>3224091

Kogasa is a normal youkai and thus eats people, so she's easy to grimdark. But somehow I think Kogasa would be more of a permanent victim, the one that all the other youkai shit up on and even regular humans throw rocks at. Her "power" is basically to go "OGGA BOOGA BOOGA".

>> No.3224100

>>3224091
>ability to scare people
Come on, try something harder.

>> No.3224107

>>3223944
>>3224062
>>3224091
>http://katzeh.fur.bz/
FelisOvum is all you'll ever need. Realistic GRIMDARK setting.

>> No.3224108
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>>3224070
Really, I could have sworn Lily had the whole weight of spring behind her or something, but I can't find it now. Maybe it's in SaBND.

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GO! LETTY GO!
Letty > Aki sisters

>> No.3224116

>>3224107

I love Katzeh's versions of animal youkai, the ones with fur and multi-nipples. They aren't cute, they are not even proper furries, they are fucking bestial and repulsive and would be damn frightening to up and meet.

The picture with the Yakumos feeding, Chen blissfully tearing away at the flesh of a severed human arm and Ran popping eyeballs into her mouth with chopsticks with deceptive elegance is one of my all time favorite Touhou illustrations.

>> No.3224118

>>3224097
Lily is just a fairy. Letty is the embodiment of winter. Aki sisters are Gods of harvesting and autumn scenery.

That would make them go something like: Letty>Aki sisters>Lily white.

>> No.3224132

>>3224108
No. In PCB Lily just notishes that spring has come and she goes to inform everyone.
Check the manual, touhou wikia, Akyu records, whatever you have easier access too. She is a fairy.

>> No.3224136

>>3224116
Mine too.

>> No.3224140

>>3224118
Lily is a fairy. Fairies are the embodiment of nature.
Lily appears during spring, announces spring and makes flowers bloom (yes, in canon).
Therefore, she is the embodiment (a part) of spring.

Letty is a yuki onna. She doesn't have any connection with the season itself. You'd expect to meet her on snowy mountains in a blizzard during every season. Cirno, as a fairy, is more like an embodiment of winter / cold / ice.

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>>3224116

EXTRA HELPINGS, ~NYAN

She looks so happy.

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>>3224118
i agree with this

>> No.3224152

>>3224140
The fuck? And Daiyousei is the queen of England.

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>>3224078
I, for one, welcome our new impopular overlords

>> No.3224162

Perfect Cherry Blossom - キャラ設定.txt

 ○春を運ぶ妖精

  リリーホワイト


  4面の中ボス、春が近づくと湧いて出る妖精。

  主に、春が来たことを伝える程度の能力を持つ。


  ゲーム中では一切の台詞は無く、スペルカードも使えない。

  ザコに毛が生えた程度の能力しかないのである。


  幾ら待てども春が来ない為、雲の上まで様子を見に行くと、そこはす

  でに春になっていた。本人は、雲の上まで来てようやく春になった事

  を、目の前にいた人間に伝えたかっただけだが、それは霊夢達にはた

  だの攻撃に見えた。


Fairy Herald of Spring

Lily White

Stage 4 midboss. She's a fairy who appears when the weather grows warmer with spring's approach.

She mainly has the ability to announce the coming of spring.

Within the game, she uses neither words nor Spell Cards.

Her season has yet to come, so she only has access to a tiny sliver of her ability.

How much longer must she wait? When she checked above the clouds, spring had already arrived. She only wanted to announce that spring was finally coming to everyone nearby, but to Reimu and her companions, it unfortunately appeared as a hostile attack to them.

>> No.3224164

>>3224152
Daiyousei is a fairy of unkown origin.
We don't know what part of nature she represents until ZUN tells us.
However, it can't be important by itself since there are thousands of fairies.

>> No.3224166

Every "regular" youkai is dead easy to grimdark simply because they eat humans. That's all you need.

The complicated ones fall into two groups, special characters and canon benevolent ones. Of latter, there aren't many. Keine is the most notable and she's grimdark as fuck by her very place in the cosmology as the arbiter of what is real past and what isn't.

Special characters include things like Lily, youkai that don't eat meat (the rabbits), humans (Sakuya is very grimdark even in canon) and "miscellaneous" like Letty, who is established in PCB as an extinction-level threat to all humans if she simply doesn't go to bed in time.

Really, most of Touhou is trivially easy to give the GD treatment.

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>She only wanted to announce that spring was finally coming to everyone nearby, but to Reimu and her companions, it unfortunately appeared as a hostile attack to them.
oh lol

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>>3224161
Barefoot moe~

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Ok, this is what I was thinking of. And when she appears it instantly becomes spring, which is a total retcon but it's not like continuity means anything in Touhou.

ITT fairychat

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>> No.3224190

>>3224164
>However, it can't be important by itself since there are thousands of fairies.
Explain me why Lily is important then?

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>>3224161

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>>3224177
YEAH! LETTY!

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>> No.3224199

>>3224164
>Daiyousei
>Great(Dai) Fairy
>However, it can't be important by itself since there are thousands of fairies.
lol k

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Letty is lovely~

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>> No.3224220

>>3224178
...You DO know who those three are...right? Next thing you'll tell me that Aya is a reliable source.

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What think Frenchfag about Letty?

>> No.3224237

>>3224062

The source of Tewi's extraordinary longevity:
http://www.debmark.com/rabbits/faq/eatyoung.htm
Tewi is the grandmother of thousands.

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>>3224224
i don't know, love ? Winter is my favorite season, other season are shit

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>>3224238
Who would say no to a threesome in golden scenery?

>> No.3224246
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and plus, she look mature unlike other touhou

>> No.3224249

>>3224199
That name was given to her by fans.

>>3224190
read >>3224178 the whole chapter.

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>>3224245
one point here, i don't think something like that already exist

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>> No.3224269

>>3224249
Read the manual. You know, from the actual game.

>> No.3224273

>>3224220
Yeah but then she makes spring fucking explode right before everyone's eyes, so I'm willing to give Sunny a little credit this time.

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FFF- while thinking about Letty, Aki and lily they doesn't have many doujin (even if some of them are really good

>> No.3224279

>>3224249
>>3224273
So "canon" manga > Actual game information?

>> No.3224296

>>3224279
I was just saying that within the context of that story, she was right about Lily being powerful and special.

>> No.3224297

>>3224279
In the "actual game", it was still winter (in midsummer).
Lily can't bring spring when the ghosts took all of it.

>> No.3224302

Pretty sure 3 fairies is proper canon though. Maybe ZUN just decided to make her more awesome later.

>> No.3224303

>>3224297
The player gets it back while playing, that is why the weather gets better and better. Also the actual manual tells all the information you need about Lily. Plus there is the PoFV too. Enjoy your "canon" manga.

>> No.3224313

>>3224303

You act like this is the first time Zun has just changed his mind about canon facts.

>> No.3224316

Tewi is, canonically, older than Gensokyo.

She's old. She's been around for longer than carrots have been cultivated. How old do you think she is? A few thousand years old? A hundred thousand? A billion?

Quantum immortality granted from luck has left her carefree, with no-one crossing her seriously. She waltzes from one place to another, barely settling in it for a few hundred years before moving to the next, laughing as she goes.

The luck that she brings is only temporary. When she moves on, empires crumble.

>> No.3224321

>>3224303
I did. I did enjoy it.

>> No.3224324

>>3224303
How about this:
Lily White carries the essence of spring and while announcing spring, uses it to make flowers/trees bloom.

That's why in PCB, the player himself/herself brought spring along as he/she collected "spring".

Also read PMiSS.
>

If you prepare some flower seeds, she'll have fun making the nearby flowers bloom.

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No love for Yuka? I hate Summer though.

>> No.3224364

>>3224333
...now what? Yuka is summer? The whole subject is getting more stupid that the NUE IS EMO threads.

>> No.3224375

>>3224333

But Yuka is entirely too easy to grimdark. I mean, "Genocide is a fun game".

>> No.3224394

>>3224364

There's that Flash music video that was a trailer for an awesome touhou game that probably never will be made which basically set up the characters as seasons:
Lily = Spring, Yuka = SUmmer, Akis = Autumn, Letty & Cirno = WInter.

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>>3224333

>> No.3224411

>>3224394
You're talking about an IOSYS song + flash video.

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>>3224237
GLINT

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>>3224375
You can always make her grimmer and darker.

>> No.3224450
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So now grimdark Rinnosuke.

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>>3224450
He's only half human male. The rest is loli.

..Yeah, I got nuthin/

>> No.3224481

>>3224450

Rinnosuke is half-demon in canon, and there's no way that kind of coupling happens voluntarily. He's an opportunist, a profiteer determined to make a buck from the neverending human/youkai war, always scheming, always playing one side off the other to his own benefit. The demons sell him things they pry off their victims, and he resells them back to the living.

>> No.3224491

>>3224475
That's his daughter.

>> No.3224515

>>3224481
More like they just come in and take his stuff without paying for it.

>> No.3224517

>>3224515

I'm sure he has subscribed to several competing protection rackets.

>> No.3224518

>>3224450
He's Deckard Cain, so he fits into the scenario.

>> No.3224520

>>3224491
>That's his full demon form, which he uses while hunting in the outside world for artifacts

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>>3224450

ok done.

next

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>>3224532
Is that Akyu?

She dies at a pitifully young age, someone gets her soul and memories. Each reincarnation of the Hidea get more and more Multiple Personality Disorder, never escaping the cycle of rebirth.

Also, that's all pretty much direct from canon.

>> No.3224816

>>3224804
She's more like Roa, and her problem is not really multiple personalities but that her life gets shorter with each incarnation, Akyu will live to her early twenties at best or something.

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