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shiki can kill ort

>>3192877
Is there anything that ORT can't kill?

Hellmaster Fiburizo can kill Types.

THERE IS NOTHING I CANNOT CUT

Magic absorbing living gel can kill witches.

>>3192912
Hellmaster Febreeze can't kill them permanently.

>>3192916

I know someone who can, though...

>>3192909
Shiki's glasses?

>>3192914
except nata de coco

>>3192928
Probably.

>>3192927

>>3192934

>>3192914
You're not Ado Edem...

>>3192927

A... golden witch?

>>3192947
No, a witch possessed by a golden god.

>>3192951

That sounds like a real nightmare!

>>3192955

>>3192909
Ed's mom.

Battler can deny ORT. Discuss.

This guy can beat ORT

>>3193017
Still loses to Demonbane.

>>3193017
ORT will turn it into a very pretty crystal statue.

>>3193017
I lol'd at the Anti Spiral and grimaced at everything else.

>>3192977

he can deny ORT all he wants, he's still dead if they encounter one another

>>3193035
Can ORT break through his Endless 9 Barrier? No. Nothing can. Hell, Battler will just walk through Crystal Garden like Jesus on water, stare ORT right in the face, point his finger at it, and deny his ass.

>>3193056
ORT denies puny barrier, Battler is already dead. Hell, I bet ORT would make a better anti-fantasy detective.

You can't kill something that does not exist

>>3193056
ORT is the 19th person, because he is not a person or a human being.

>>3193107
ORT can kill the very idea and concept of witches. Discuss.

>>3193119
THEN WHO WAS 18?

>>3193130
Beatrice, Battler's other personality. He puts on make up, pads and puts on a dress.

>>3193130
Ado Edem. As a Knight Arm wielder he has evolved enough to no longer be human. Or Demonbane.

>>3193056
ORT doesn't use thaumatology or magic. Its abilities have no Gaian analog. Battler can't even comprehend it, let alone deny it.

>>3193167
Actually, aren't some of its abilities explicitly 'similar' to a reality marble?

>>3194473

No. Crystal Valley only has the shared phenomena with a Reality Marble in the sense that it's a "reality" overwriting Earth's reality.

Reality Marbles are internalized worlds forced onto the world and are forced off just as easily, but Crystal Valley is a landscape inscribing itself permanently.

Type-Earth>Archetype:Earth>ORT>*

>>3194473

Crystal Valley is like a permanent Marble Phantasm but, even with that ignored cause lol magic, ORT's physical capabilities are overkill for Battler

>>3194501
Earth is too weak to have a type bro.

>>3194501

There is no Type-Earth and if Archetype: Earth really is the Crimson Moon then it's weaker than ORT.

>>3194512

Reality Marble, not Marble Phantasm.

>>3194501
>>3194516
this again?

>>3194512
I don't know anything about Battler. Actually, the art style of that game turns me off so much that I don't WANT to know anything about Battler.

I was just curious about the statement that ORT has no powers with gaian analogues.

>>3194606

We don't even know what ORT DOES, much less are able to compare them to anything.

We only know that Crystal Valley is a transmutation that alters the world and ORT "in pure personal power, is the strongest of all the Dead Apostle Ancestors".

>>3194606


GTFO

>>3194657
fuck off!

I just went to the /m/ troll thread and they said Demonbane > everything


And here I get the same answer

>>3194679
That's because it's pretty much true.

>>3194679

>>3192877
Ort kills Bern but she pops back up.
Lambdadelta kills him certainly.
Beato kills him forever.

>>3194670


Why are you defending this Asshole?

>>3194657
No, seriously. I just can't get into the way everybody looks. The only person who doesn't look like ass to me is the crazy maid-chick that everyone is going on about dying.

>>3194679
/a/ was here, Kami-tenchi beats him lol.

>>3194689
I was bored!

>>3194679
Maria fucks him in the ass while he goes uuu-uuu. I'm not even making that up.

>>3194685

ORT does not have a concept of Death.

Slayers > Tsukihime

>>3194700
So? What makes you think a reality warper doesn't put a concept of death on him?

>>3194745

Because it doesn't understand how it exists.

ORT is incomprehensible to anything with a human mind.

Witches need to have human minds, or else they "slip and fall to hell", according to Lambdadelta.

Shinki can create ORT and Neutronium Golems. Discuss.

>>3194782

But she can't do anything outside of Makai.

>>3194786
she can, but she'd have to bring all of the makai residents to be at 100%

>>3194786
She can create stuff and send it out.

>>3194790
Touhous fate system was not invented back then.

>>3194804
but it is invented now

>>3194762
ORT is not completely incomprehensible to anything with a human mind. Just because ORT follows the 'logic' of another planet does not mean it doesn't follow universal 'logic', ie: it is made out of atoms and can be cut by Ryougi Shiki. The question remains whether the witches enforce earthly or universal concepts.

In conclusion, fuck you Nasu, fuck you and your random bullshit that makes no sense.

>>3194762
Because understanding how something works is a necessary prerequisite to reality warping? Um no.

34 is a voyager witch and can craft entire universes or destroy them, those she need to understand the mechanics behind it? No. She forces a concept of death on ORT and that's that.

>>Witches need to have human minds.
No they don't.

>>3194762
What about a ROBOT mind?

>>3194806
Does not apply to her of course. Or does only ZUN knows.

Shinki created her world. How was she supposed to do this without faith?

She is way to overpowered to come back. just like Orange.

>>3194807

>and can be cut by Ryougi Shiki

Nope. It's Character Material profile explicitly says it's immune to the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and must be destroyed physically.

This guy can destroy everything. Discuss.

>>3194819
She used to be a celestial who reveled against God, and God sent her and her followers to Makai.
She probably turned into a goddess after that.

>>3194820
Does it state which version? Ryougi can go ahead and kill Mercury itself, that makes no sense. But then, this is Nasu, it'd be weird if it did.

>>3194830
What am I looking at exactly?

>>3194811

>She forces a concept of death on ORT and that's that.

And it slides right off, due to the inexplicable nature of ORT's existence.

>>Witches need to have human minds.
>No they don't.

Yes they do. This is what Lambdadelta says about witches who abandon their human consciousness to attain a higher level.

"...... However, the fact that they create everything and are freed from all restrictions means they don't even have a restriction such as the ground under their feet.
Beings that completely lost all restrictions, ...... in exchange for obtaining everything, they lose even the restriction of their own 'meaning'.
...... Even the notion of life and death disappears, even the meaning of the existing disappears, ...... they reach the limits of the zero.
Or fall.
Crash.
Crumble.
Vanish like mist."

>>3194830
Try this.

>>3194836
Source?

>>3194840
Looks like a fusion of Azathoth and Lambdadelta to me.

>>3194839

>Does it state which version?

No, it just says 直死の魔眼, the general term for it.

We don't know if this is due to it being an Aristoteles/Ultimate One, or merely a quirk of ORT itself.

>>3194840

Azathoth, the Blind Idiot God, the Daemon Sultan at the Center of the Universe etc. etc. to be brief, omnipotent madman.

>>3194850
Paradise Lost

>>3194839

>Ryougi can go ahead and kill Mercury itself

And who says that would do ANYTHING to ORT?

That's conjecture.

why does nasu produce random-ass lure which has no relation to any of his works?

>>3194872
>random-ass lure
Come again?

>>3194872
Type-Moon isn't giving him any other opportunity to work.

>>3194878
lore. forgive me, anonymous.

>>3194871
ORT exists under laws of Mercury (and spreads them around with Crystal Valley), what'd happen if you killed those laws (not necessarily alongside Mercury) ?

>>3194867
This would make he a fallen angel like Sariel.

>>3194842
ORT can withstand universe destruction? Lol what?

>>3194882
Probably like, Tolkien, he enjoys making the back stories and such allowing for a richer world.

>>3194842
>>And it slides right off, due to the inexplicable nature of ORT's existence.

Bullshit, prove that ORT's existence can with stand UNIVERSAL SCALE reality warping.

>>Yes they do. This is what Lambdadelta says about witches who abandon their human consciousness to attain a higher level.

Again no they don't. You cut that out of context, first of all 34 was talking about creators, omnipotent gods higher than witches. Second of all nothing in that cut out you said implies or states explicitly that witches need human hearts.

In fact that is contradicted, Bern has no human sentiments and exists in a plane highers than humans, is she falling and crumpling? no.

>>3194885
Same shit, Sariel is from Makai too.

>>3194872
So he can discuss powerlevels with ZUN and Ryukishi.

>>3194888
>>3194890

General universes =/= Nasuverse.

The Nasuverse has a nexus of infinite power (Akasha) that permeates it, I am fairly certain this is not a common thing in the sea of kakera.

>>3194872
Because he knows everyone will treat it like it's canon and have a billion pointless powerlevel discussions.

>>3194895
How can you even become a fallen angel in gensokyo?

Not even a bitch like Tenshi gets banned.

>>3194903

>shit that applies to one universe may not apply to another

GET OUT OF MY CROSSOVER POWERLEVEL DEBATE

>>3194888
Cant. Physical destruction works on it.
Some generic planet killer will do. If counter the force let you

>>3194907
Tenshi didn't do anything against God and God gives no fuck.

>>3194903
>>The Nasuverse has a nexus of infinite power
Yes, we have that too it's called "The big bang" all other universes have it as well, the origin of everything, the uncaused cause, singularity of all time, space, matter information etc etc. If you can create a universe you can make the point of origin. That's what 34 said she could do.

>>3194903
You can play soccer with kakera.
Can`t do this with Nasuverse.

>>3194907
Even in the heavens, bureaucracy takes time. Tenshi is going to get an express ticket to the Palace of the Earth Spirits' boiler room, just as soon as the paperwork comes through.

>>3194918
Tenshi is beating up Suwako with a rock right now.

>>3194919

The Big Bang was not an infinite amount of energy, it was just all the energy in the universe.

If it were infinite energy, the universe would be an unending soup of infinite heat.

Everyone is the strongest. Thread over.

>>3194932
God, gives no fuck.
And by God I mean Shikieiki's boss.

>>3194946

Siki has no boss. She is the highest authority in the universe.

Eiki-sama can condemn ORT to hell. Discuss.

>>3194946
Gensokyo is based on random japanese shit.
No omnipotent god here.

>>3194953
She has a boss.
It's in one of ZUN's many texts he released after PoFV

>>3194953
Ort is a good girls. She would go straight to heaven.
Oh wait slot likes to have a word with her!

>>3194959
Can you post a link?
Or better a pic?

>>3192877
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>>3194967
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Sikieiki_Yamaxanadu
There are many Yamas so basically, she isn't the one pulling the strings.

>>3194903
And so? How does this relate to ORT surviving universal deconstruction. Not just him, his logic, the solar system and any sentient life back into the void?