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Nanoha would befriend the shit out of Saber.

the white devil

Whoever wins, we lose.

>>3186802
Not sure. Will have to get back to you on this one.
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Is this StrikerS Nanoha? If so, yeah, Nanoha destroys this one. Your magic resistance is good and all, Saber, but this woman blew through a Star Destroyer made out of antimagic plating while in a magic-absorbing field, AFTER a boss fight with the goddamned Sankt Kaiser.

>>3186821

Probably the one that actually won Saimoe

>>3186830
and the Sankt Kaiser was her own daughter that she went full power on

>>3186834
>saimoe

It wouldn't really be much of a challenge, Nanoha wins hands down.

Nanoha can keep range and just nuke Saber from orbit

Nanoha always wins.

Can't Saber just use Avalon or something

>>3186910

Nanoha/Zero bahamaut?

Saber might wreck her in close combat, but Nanoha doesn't need to fight her on those terms. She can fucking fly after all.
And Saber's got ONE beamspam attack that she can use at that range, while Nanoha can pick and choose from any number of them.

The White Devil of Promised Befriending

>>3186809
>the white devil

So Amuro?

>>3186989
>Saber might wreck her in close combat, but Nanoha doesn't need to fight her on those terms.

Actually, isnt Nanoha at the same close combat level of Signum? IIRC they battle nearly turned into a brawl

>>3186991
>white devil

Echinsu Ocha! Echinsu Ocha!

Nanoha probably couldn't even damage Saber when she has Avalon. Even the weakened Shirou Saber.

>>3186994
He is pretty damn moe. I'd hit it, even if his father wouldn't.

>>3187000
Yeah, but then that doesn't really help us compare her with Saber.
I'm going to give it to Saber anyway since she pretty much specializes in close-combat attacks.

>>3187000
they said it WAS a brawl

>>3187003

took me a minute before I got that

>>3187006

Close-up: Tough call, depends on whether or not Saber can catch Nanoha before Nanoha flies away.

Range: Nanoha, no contest

Simon would take on both.

>>3187029
It's not really fair to put them up against a god.

Nanoha couldn't scratch Saber. She has B grade Magic Resistance, and is already next to immortal due to Avalon.

>>3187011
>they said it WAS a brawl

I remember they say they had to stop it because it was turning into one, not than actually was

>>3187032
>god
Haruhi vs Simon, who would win?

>>3187036
Virgo Shaka

>>3187029
Oh fuck, he looks so amazing.

>>3187036
I'm more curious to see if Rika could survive Endless Eight.

>>3187033
>magic resistance
Nanoha has dealt with that before.

>Avalon
Binding spells and shit.

Nanoha would wreck Saber.

>>3187004
This. Nanoha is undoubtely more powerful, but even she can't beat AVALON HAX.
It's like putting a Marisa vs Yukari fight.

>>3187062
The problem is, Binding spells can't do shit against Avalon. It's pure HAX power.

ITT People forget that Avalon+Excalibur nearly eliminated all of Saber's mana. So what if she has the perfect defense? Nanoha can just wait for it to end.

Saber punching Nanoha would decapitate her at Mach 2 speed.

>>3187004
>>3187068
Weakened saber has 1, _one_ single shot. If that attack misses or get blocked, saber is auto-k.o.

>>3187068
if saber has avalon then nanoha just needs MORE POWER

>>3187091
Depends on the master. Her prana levels differed severely depending on who controlled her (Shirou, Rin, Kiritsugu, Sakura)

ITT people defend their favourite characters, regardless of whether they're right or wrong.

>>3187078
>Binding spells can't do shit against Avalon
Nanoha magic is also hax.

>>3186802
Who is "Sayber" ?

CAN THEY DEFEAT THE SHARINGAN

>>3187111
Yes.

>>3187100
There is no right or wrong, dipshit. The defense is the whole point.

Also here's a fairer fight.

>>3187082
Nanoha's shield would break saber's hand.

>>3187080
>>3187080
But there is no miss, it's Avalon.
The only way to defeat a Saber with Avalon would either be 1) sending some sacrifice to fight her before you or 2) being smart enough to steal either excalibur or the sheath before the fight.

>>3186802
Saber.

>>3186830
Yes but Saber's Avalon is an impenetrable barrier that is detached from this universe and took a blow from a sword that rips through time and space.

Saber blocks with Avalon and counter attacks with excalibur.

>>3187126
Avalon can't be used forever as Saber doesn't have infinite mana.

Saber can RUN at Mach 12.
IF she had Sakura or someone similar as master (Who supplies her properly with prana), then her fist WILL decapitate Nanoha.

>>3187099

True. For the sake of this hypothetical situation, who should we consider to be Saber's master?

>>3187102
Then it's entirely up to the one who writes the story.
/thread

>>3187142
Nanoha

>>3187119

Reimu has the advantage, what with barrier > magic. A more equal fight would be Nanoha v. Marisa, Alice or Patchy

>>3187137
She only needs one strike that aways hits. That's why it's called HAX.

I don't care as long as it ends in hot yuri sex.

>>3187152
She doesn't have a strike that always hits.

>>3187140 Saber can run at mach 12

That was using a command spell though, correct?

>>3187160
It's a sword skill powered by the Gods that promised her the victory in every fight. Please refer to >>3187126 to how Nanoha (or most of other characters) can beat Saber.

>>3187155
you might be interested in that nanoha vs haruhi doujin

>>3187169
>Gods that promised her the victory in every fight
Worthless promise.

>>3187169
Nanoha could also beat Saber by killing the Gods. /fanboyism

>>3187174

Link?

>>3187119
Reimu's Fantasy Heaven is basically a mobile Avalon with no usage limit. Way too fucking broken.

>>3187168
Indeed.

One should consider her master to be Sakura though, since we should consider a full-ass Saber not a half-ass one.

>>3187176
Not worthless, but it can only happen as long as Saber has both Excalibur AND the sheath.

>>3187182
http://www.mediafire.com/?1uzzn5czwty
its already translated

>>3187220

Is this a series? The title seems to suggest it.

>>3187210
Your gods are no match for Nanoha anyway.

>>3187237
i think the end of it mentions round 2 next? its probably the first of the series at least

>>3187209
No matter how powerful she is, what is she going to do against an opponent that can FLY with minimal effort?
That's like SUPER ULTRA MEGA TANK vs Helicopter with anti-tank munitions.
Nanoha wins.

ITT: /a/

>>3187264

Oh well, thanks again for the link

>>3187297
Problem?

>>3187297
Actually Nanoha is very /jp/ related due to Triangle Heart.

>>3187386
Nice try, buddy.

>>3187386

Then let's talk about Triangle Heart rather than it's non-/jp/ releated spinoffs.

>>3187408
lets talk about touhou vns then instead of its /v/-related original source material

This issue with Avalon brings up a question, can avalon protect against gaebolgs cause/effect reversal? Not that it'd ever happen as Nasu just would give the same shit reason that he did to make her avoid it that one time "lol, luck > all". Wouldn't it, in effect, be the anti-avalon?

>>3187436

What would you like to talk about then?

Saber is faster, saber cuts off nanoha's head before she blinks. Looks like some people don't know how fast Mach 2 - 13.6 is.

>>3187449
Na.
Causality reversal just means that the effect comes first, but if that effect is absolutely impossible then it doesn't matter.

Saber is untouchable while in Avalon. No matter how many times you repeat the scenario "Lancer stabs at Saber with Gae Bolg while Saber is in Avalon" You'll never get a victory result for Lancer.

>>3187449
No Avalon'a rank of concept is much higher than Gae Bolg's and it was also stated any sufficiently powerful shield with enough prana behind it could block Gae Bolg.

>>3187449

I'd figure that Avalon putting its user in a different dimension would enable it to override Gae Bolg's causality reversal.

>>3187449
Yes.

But I may be slightly biased, as Lancer is my favorite Type-Moon character. While Avalon COULD block an attack from Lancer's lance, Gae Bolg works in such a way that Saber is already impaled by the spear, and then the universe alters reality in order for the cause to fit that effect.

I'm curious as to how the universe would make it so that the cause fits the effect when Avalon is active, though.

>>3187449
yes definitely yes.

The only thing we know about so far in the Nasuverse that might, stressing the might part, is Fragarach due to rewinding time and such.

>>3187489
>>3187478
>>3187471

>>3187494 here
;_;

>>3187498
I meant no definitely no, I wonder why I wrote yes twice.....

>>3187471
Gaebolg doesn't care about the rules of reality, remember, bending without bending. You being stabbed is what happens, it WILL stab you no matter how you try and dodge it, leaving reality is nothing more than the ultimate dodge. This is a case of unavoidable VS unobtainable. Hence it MAY kill no matter what bullshit you want to spout.

>>3187507

Can't rule out Kaleidoscope, though that depends on whether parallel worlds includes alternate dimensions.

>>3187540
In cases like that Concept is all that matters, like Gae Bolg versus Rho Aius, their concepts were equal I believe, resulting in a stalemate.
>>3187543
Avalon is specifically said to surpass the five True Magics.

>>3187540
If it were absolutely unavoidable then Saber on her own wouldn't have avoided it.
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At that, Archer wouldn't have blocked it either.

>>3187540
>>leaving reality is nothing more than the ultimate dodge

lol

>>While bounded in this manner, an individual is shielded from all destructive interference in the physical realm, from parallel worlds, and dimensional planes.

Yes Avalon is that hax.

>>3187552
I thought that in that case, he used Gae Bolg - Death Flight; which is an anti-army, not anti-personnel attack (i.e. it doesn't seek out the heart of one person, it just has such destructive impact that it obliterates its victim).

>>3187552

What? I thought Avalon could only guard against the 4th Magic.

>>3187540
Gae Bolg isn't as hax as you state it to be. It's explicitly said to be blockable by magical barriers if they are powerful enough. Avalon is more or less the ultimate barrier/boundary field and should have no problems stopping Gae Bolg. Gae Bolg's enchantment probably can't even get through.

>>3187574
All forms of the Gae Bolg have a conceptual effect of always hitting it's target.

>>3187578

Well, the wiki suggests otherwise so I retract my statement;.

It's not even a contest. Sorry Saber, your reign has been ended by a flying lesbian.

Wait.

Wait wait wait.

How did this get into Gae Bolg vs Avalon, anyways! Why do all of our threads devolve into Type-Moon powerlevel discussions?!

>>3187601
Causality reversal.

Any thread that starts off even remotely related to F/SN is already a power level discussion.

>>3187601
because Nasu fanboys

>>3187601
Discussing what Avalon can or can't do is how it lead to this.

>>3186802
What I find amusing is that the pro-Saber folks are going on about how she has something that can protect her from magic, but is a constant drain when used, and completely ignores the fact that Saber has no real means of attacking Nanoha.

Nanoha has a shield as well. It may be weaker, but it's up constantly and can protect from both physical and magical attacks without a maintenance cost. AND SHE CAN FLY.

>>3187574
I think Death Flight just has the "targeting the heart" enchantment without the causality warp effect. The causality warp effect was traded off for raw firepower.

Excalibur was created by the Fae. Not the same as gods.

>>3187617
>>Saber has no real means of attacking Nanoha.
Wait wait wait.

Not only s Saber traveling at Mach 2 and Mach 14 with the help of a command spell her attack is energy projection that is reminiscent of a particle beam. She speed blitzes nanoha and in the case she does fly Saber has limited precog and a fucking energy weapon along with hypersonic reaction times.

Fucking Type-Moon powerlevels.
Every single day.

HERE COMES A NEW CHALLENGER

>>3187617
What I find amusing is that the pro-Saber folks are going on about how she has something that can protect her from magic, but is a constant drain when used, and completely ignores the fact that Saber has no real means of attacking Rider.

Rider has a shield as well. It may be weaker, but it's up constantly and can protect from both physical and magical attacks without as much of a maintenance cost. AND SHE CAN FLY.

>>3187646
It was created by the planet and the faeries, who are part of Gaia, delivered it. Pretty much the same thing.

Excalibur's title "The Sword of Promised Victory" doesn't actually do anything. It came from the hopes and dreams of dying soldiers that sought glory (from victory) and is purely symbolic. Its effect is to shoot a giant fucking beam of light that supposedly can cleave anything.

Saber has something close to precognition, a supersonic speed, and a sword that can shoot a beam larger than a goddamned city.

Nanoha is Nasuverse canon, discuss.

>>3187698
Takeuchi is just a faggot whose characters all look the same.

GJ OP

>>3187673

If you're going to give Saber usage of Command Spells this ceases to be a strict Saber v. Nanoha fight. Might as well just let Nanoha have the Arc'en'ciel as support.

>>3187698
Shiki uses his power to kill logic in every Type-Moon power level thread. Discuss.

>>3187678
Rider went down because lol_plot_shield anyway. Nanoha has that plot shield hax even more than saber does.

>>3187687
But can she see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

>>3186994
ITS A NANOHA! *explodes violently*
Well she is Hi Nu Gundam at this point so yeah

>>3187673
Nanoha has auto barriers against magical and physical attacks. Saber's Mach 2 burst can only be used once before Wind King needs to recharge. Command spells aren't fair as it would turn the battle into a 2 on 1 and are still limited in usage. Saber can jump good, but can't actually fly.

>>3187708
Remove the command seal and you still have a speed faster than Mach 5 at least

>>3187732
Now you're just pulling things out of your ass.

>>3187721
>>Nanoha has auto barriers against magical and physical attacks. Saber's Mach 2 burst.

Nanoha's auto barriers are not strong enough to withstand beams of heat, light and death the size of city blocks. I wasn't referring to her movement speed but reaction time that saber has. She has reaction times that ascertain targets while moving in mach 2. Don't you think it's useful for shooting down magical girls in air? Add precognition as well while you're at it.

>>3187732
Hell, even without the command spell I bet she could jump, escape Earth's gravitational pull, and then run around it so fast that time is turned back to when Nanoha was just a baby; thereby guaranteeing Saber the victory.

>>3187732

With that Wind Burst, which has the limitations outlined by >>3187732

This battle relies heavily on where the two are before the fight begins. In close combat, I'd say Saber has a very strong chance of defeating Nanoha unless Nanoha can exhibit similar speed bursts. In long range, the battle is either a stalemate or Nanoha's.

>>3187747
>beams of heat, light and death the size of city blocks
If you're lucky, saber might have scratched Nanoha after 5 shots.
And if you're extra lucky, saber might just have enough mana left to avoid falling to the ground.

>>3187762

>With that Wind Burst, which has the limitations outlined by >>3187721

wrong referral corrected

>>3187750
And then she could punch reality to make it so that Nanoha was never born. Plus she has laser feet. And a penis, also made of lasers.

Nanoha universe also has similar abilities on speed along with better long distance/movement magic. For all intents and purposes, Nanoha's Blaster Mode 3 and Excalibur probably cancel each other out.

This leaves precog which isn't really precog but rather insight/combat experience and the fact that Nanoha almost always is flying and arrives to the battle via flight, can beam spam and cast other spells including binding ones that do numerous things.

The flying thing by itself puts Saber at a huge disadvantage since Nanoha can spam distance attacks far more than Saber. If Saber could fly, it'd possibly turn out more like the Signum vs Nanoha fight.

>>3187747
Uh what? She takes Fate's beam spam in the first series. That was pretty much the same size. You can see this when the Book of Darkness does a Divine Buster in Nanoha A's I believe.

>>3187747
Nanoha has the highest defense out of her group of peers, I believe. And she did defend against a powered-up version of her own Starlight Breaker that was a sphere of heat, light and death the size of more than a couple of city blocks, albeit with some prep time.

>>3187776
I heard that's how she beat Shiki.

Discuss.

>>3187782
Book of Darkness did only did Starlight Breaker, not Divine Buster, I think.
On an unrelated note I will be disgusted with myself if I'm incorrect as I marathoned all of A's two days ago.

>>3187766
>>If you're lucky, saber might have scratched Nanoha after 5 shots.

What? Excalibur can't be blocked.

>>3187817
She can't beat Shiki. She'd be too focused on exhausting all her mana to just give nanoha a scratch.

>>3187834
Hmmm right. Excalibur might actually manage to tickle Nanoha after 5 shots...

>>3187834
Ea would like to have a word with you.

>>3187809
I think her daughter surpasses her in that regard.

>>3187837
She could beat Shiki if Shirou projected Excalibur while Ryougi Shiki was attacking both of them.

>>3187849
Ea overwhelmed Excalibur instead of blocking it. However, there's no reason that Nanoha can't do the same thing with Starlight Breaker or Excelion Buster.

Demonbane can beat both.
Discuss.

It all comes down to whether Nanoha can tank Excalibur. If she can survive a single blast, then she wins for sure, she's definitely above Saber in the magical endurance department, and Saber can't power Avalon forever.
Now as to whether Nanoha can actually take a hit from Excalibur and survive... there's no way to say. Anyone saying one way or the other is biased.

>>3187864
Or, God help us all, this.

One problem for Nanoha is that her magic doesn't seem to deal all that much actual tangible damage to the person it's attacking.

Case in point, she blasts through the ships hulls, but the Number she was targeting comes out of it pretty much okay considering the seeming firepower of the blast.

Depending on how this would work in relation to Sabers magic resistance, saber could well be untouchable.

>>3187849
Ea blocked a hit from a weakened Saber with no magical energy from her master.

>>3187847
Now you're just trolling. What part of "cuts through anything, don't you get?

>>3187892
That was just the edited version. This is what actually happened.

Saber's a heroic spirit, Nanoha's a human.

Saber can regenerate in ten minutes as long as the heart and brain remain.

Saber has the strongest magic resistance, so anything less than completely insane magic won't even scratch her. Think Starlight Breaker.

Saber's physical abilities are far, far greater, even with magic reinforcing Nanoha.

Saber has a one-hit kill move that can kill divine beasts instantly.

Saber has a barrier that can't be broken by anything, even Arc-en-ciel. (By the way, neither Arc or Ciel could do it, either.)

Let's assume that, for the purpose of a fair fight, Saber has a legitimate master, at least at Rin's level, in order to supply prana.

It goes like this: Saber waits for an opportunity to instantly kill Nanoha, while ignoring her general magic attacks. Once Nanoha tries to use SB, Saber Avalons, and it's not like SB can just be used over and over again.

She then eventually Excaliburs Nanoha and wins.

>>3187900
>Arc-en-ciel. (By the way, neither Arc or Ciel could do it, either.)
I see what you did there?

>>3187900
Saber can also ride a motorcycle.

>>3187895
Right right, That's why I said it might actually scratch through Nanoha's clothes and tickle her.

saber can handle a very big sword, if you know what i mean

>>3187900
1. Nanoha take down the Master easily...
2. Saber need a new magic supply...
3. Nanoha can suply saber magic...
4. ???
5. Profit

>>3187929
I like the way you think.

>>3187917
>>"cuts through anything"
>>Nanoha falls under anything

>>3187929
BEST TEAM EVER?

>>3187929
If you want ULTRA-HAX, Saber with Nanoha as her master...

>>3187961
Obviously Nanoha is always the main character.
And Saber is always the main character's bitch.
So this will happen>>3187929

>>3187929

In that case, Saber's master is Saber.

Well, if you actually had two Sabers, the Holy Grail would provide enough extra mana to make it work, ridiculously.

However, this 'Saber M' won't attack. She just stands there being invulnerable, to facilitate the fight.

Here is a fairer fight. Vegeta's pinky versus Saber.

>>3187975
Vegeta isn't magic, therefore he is unable to harm Saber.

>>3187973
But Saber can't be Saber master since she's superior to Rin level stop changing rules every time it suit you.

>>3187985
actually, saber is basically immune to magic, so physical damage is really the only way to hurt her.

>>3187985
Vegeta kills gaia. saber is screwed.

>>3187988

Actually, Saber's a weak-ass magus, if one at all. Rin would be a better master. Saber just has a magical energy advantage, so it evens out.

>>3187929
...good lord...

>>3187975

His pinky would shatter Avalon. Not the NP. I mean the island.

>>3187997
Magic as in spells. You could drop a Space Colony on Saber and she'd be fine.

Nanoha's shields fail to withstand excalibeam

Saber will shrug everything short of Starlight Breaker

I think the victor's obvious.

Funniest thing with Shiki VS xxxxx is that Shiki isn't exceptionally strong, it's that his hax nullifies all defense(including all hax level ones) making it nothing more than a battle of who can strike first. That said Shiki pretty much wins all melee battles and loses all ranged battles.(Sorry, even your precious shitty Saber with her Avalon hax can't beat him since she is 1:slower, 2:melee, and 3:wont even think of using her {single use}ranged attack until it's too late{using makes her half dead and unable to fight})

>>3188007
But >>3187973 said that the Grail is involved also Avalon is far more hax than anything rin could pull

>>3187900 Once Nanoha tries to use SB, Saber Avalons, and it's not like SB can just be used over and over again.

And it's not like Avalon can be spammed repeatedly either for the same reason. Both characters have very powerful skills that can be used a limited number of times. They also have large sources of mana to draw from, though I don't know if either party can replenish mana at an extent that would significantly alter the battle.

I agree with you that Saber has an advantage regarding physical traits. However, physical traits lose their meaning when you can't reach your target that's flying outside your range. Say all you want about moving at Mach X or whatever, if Nanoha is far enough away, she can move away from Saber's trajectory and attack from behind due to Nanoha being capable of flight.

Again, assuming both fighters are distanced far enough away from each other that moving towards the other puts them at a disadvantage, we are faced with two questions:

1) Which attack is stronger, Excalibur or Nanoha's Starlight Breaker/Divine Buster/Improved Divine Buster?

2) How often can either party perform their ultimate attack/defense before they cease to be a threat?

>>3188026
>slower
Read up to there.

Excalibur will not do much damage to Nanoha

she is too used to tanking magic attacks.. even under AMF conditions

In fact, using Excalibur is a loser flag for Saber, because Nanoha will just tank through that and recycle the magic into her own Starlight Breaker

Avalon won't come into play since Saber will be deprived of it for some contrived reason. (Nasu law)

>>3187997
>>3188018

Saber's immune to PHYSICAL damage, because she's a servant, and (direct/thaumaturgical) MAGICAL damage, because she's got super magic resistance. She can only be hurt by things that are inherently magical, like NP's.

>>3188018
She wasn't so fine when Berserker whacked her.

Ehhh....Nanoha is just going to fly away, call for Chrono's armada and destroy earth. End of Saber.

Cross-company powerlevel threads are the worst kind of powerlevel threads.

Also, they wouldn't fight. Nanoha would easily seduce Saber and they would have hot lesbian mana transfers.

>>3188052

Yes, destroying an entire planet of innocents is exactly what Nanoha or Chrono would do cause fuck rules and regulations.

>>3188066
Well, they have the power to do that at least.

Women and children.

>>3188066
Fixing things through superior firepower.

>/jp/ Gamefaqs

The Numbers had high magical resistance as well in the form of AMFs or the like I believe. Even the generic robot enemies had a field that canceled most magical damage unless people were specifically trained in fighting magical resistance.

Nanoha can beam spam. There's no indication that she can't as she does it in A's etc. In fact, that's the whole point of most people watching Nanoha. Sure, I can think of Starlight Breaker and Divine Buster as she does it repeatedly.

Nanoha can fly and stay there. Who cares what physical attributes are there if Saber can only hit Nanoha with one attack that Nanoha could possibly dodge in the first place not to mention the possibility of blocking it. I believe Excalibur exhausts Saber's prana supply.

Nanoha has huge ass beam spams that can blow holes through ancient advanced warships AND CAN STILL FIRE MORE AFTERWARDS. Sorry Gilgamesh. This also means she can possibly overpower Excalibur and bind Saber, and fire another shot and still look fresh.

Under constant magical drain, (oh lawd Sacchin/Akiha) Nanoha managed to fly/fight through enemies, bind an overhax character countless of times, do and maintain an area search for quite some time, as well as do 3 big attacks before she was unable to fly anymore under the magical drain.

Let's assume that, for the purpose of a fair fight, Saber has a proper master and Nanoha has her usual support. It goes like this: Saber gets befriended.

>>3188048
Technically she already is deprived of it. It wasn't summoned with her, it was used to summon her. Depending on how you look at it, it isn't technically hers anymore, but rather Kitsurugi's or Shirou's. But the retard thought "Oh, it USED to be yours, but even if you didn't care about losing it when you did and are not it's real owner anymore, here have it because obviously you deserve/own the shit that rather than earning was just given to you so you'd win.".

>>3188026

Shiki's slower than Saber by far. He/she would die in one hit.

>>3188027

The Grail's involved because it provides part of the mana used to maintain servants, so Masters won't be burdened so much. Avalon's not a magus's spell, so that has nothing to do with her abilities as a magus.

>>3188034

Excalibur's stronger. Besides being generally unblockable, it's a 'killing move'. Starlight Breaker, Nanoha's strongest move, is still only a 'defeating move'. At worst, it causes pain and knocks out with magical damage, which is useless against Saber, who regenerates from non-fatal wounds.

Anyways, Saber would only need to block SB out of Nanoha's attacks, so she can save Avalon until it's used. In other words, Avalon nullifies SB.

Onto the next tier of moves. Excalibur kills, and Divine Buster/etc... wouldn't scratch Saber. If Saber hits her once, Nanoha loses. Nanoha can't do anthing to hurt Saber.

I feel that Saber may win.

>>3188048

Again, Excalibur's not the type of attack Nanoha's been taking. She can't simply 'survive it'.

>>3188109
Stop writing so many words about my wife.

>>3188116
Were Saber summoned as a regular servant and not pseudo-eirei she would probably have Excalibur, Caliburn, Avalon, and whatever else that would qualify as a NP she used in her lifetime.

We're forgetting something, here. Combat-wise, Saber outshines Nanoha completely. To begin with, Nanoha has no kills on her record. Not a one. Saber, on the other hand, is a master of slaughter, someone whose single-handed actions turned entire war campaigns. Nanoha's melee won't help her here, where Saber's technique, power, and instincts are completely superior.

While the Midchilda Intelligence Devices are indeed old, the entire system of magic (both theirs and Velkan Bullet Adaptors), it's severely doubtful that a host of Nanoha's ranged attacks below a certain ranking will actually harm or even 'phase' Saber's ridiculously-high magic resistance. Her only hope are a plan to launch several reinforced Starlight Breakers in a hopes to no just put Saber down, but keep her down.

Because there's also the Servant's ridiculous regeneration rate, a bigger threat with something like Avalon on board as support (effectively nullifying any hopes for Nanoha's offensive to mean something).

In short, the best chance Nanoha has is if Saber is in Shirou's hands, and even then, she has a problem, because mister "I am the bone of my sword" will be DAMNED to watch his hunii get sledged with beamspam. He'll be quick to analyze, trace, and COUNTER Nanoha with beamspam, leading to one excalibeam of victory bare milliseconds later.

This victory indeed goes to Saber.

now that I think of it...

Saber had Avalon in Fate Zero yet it was decided that it would be much wiser to leave Avalon with Irisyafel

Why is that? Would she win her fights much easier with Avalon?

It's not that Irisyafel is more vulnerable and exposed than other masters

>>3188109

Ea can wipe out continents. AMF was enough to make Nanoha useless after she fought Vivio, and Numbers didn't have it, so she still can't hurt Saber. Excalibur is a beam of LIIIIGHT, so I doubt Nanoha can move faster than 3x10^(whatever) m/s.

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Well, fuck

SB can deal physical damage if the firing lock is released

That how she can shoot through walls and gadget drones

>>3188128
Oh, wow. The desperate fanboyism in this post is hilarious.

This matchup would be more prudent were it Fate instead of Nanoha.

>>3188120
The only reason that Nanoha's attack only knocks them out is because she wants them to knock the opponent out. She says this and her device even says this ("knock out by magical damage.") I'm pretty sure she could choose to kill and destroy. In fact, during the first series, she says how robots are easier or something to the fact when entering the last boss tower area.

In short, she chooses to limit the damage done which implies the type of control that is available in the Nanoha universe (another indication would be the axel shooter type scenes.)

Nanoha has taken killing blows before.

>>3188148
Fate never gets hit by anything, perfect win.

>>3188132

Saber's a good person, and wants to protect her master. (Actually, wasn't Kiritsugu holding Avalon?)

She doesn't even need hax to win.

>>3188132
It was given to Irisviel both to keep her humanity longer when Servants started dropping (she's the lesser grail, after all), and so she could be a proper backup--Kotomine all but slaughtered the girl in the Einzbern woods, and it took one touch from Saber to completely heal her.

Kiritsugu's tactics are good.

Also if Kiritsugu's the master, Nanoha's fucked.

>>3188155
But she got hit by Signum's snake sword thing in A's.
Unless I'm missing a joke here.

>>3188161
That was before SONIC FORM.

if all else fails she'll just take the rest of her clothes off

>>3188128
>To begin with, Nanoha has no kills on her record.
nanoha is in the befriending/arresting department, not trying to wipe out other countries during wartime

>>3188155
Fate vs Rider

>>3188168
That just means out the gate, Saber has the advantage. Nanoha using kid gloves would get her killed in that kind of setup, not to mention against other monsters like Berserker or Gil.

>>3188159
>if Kiritsugu's the master
Then Chrono's there to backup Nanoha. 5 minutes later, Earth gone.

It's not that Nanoha can't kill anyone, it's that she chooses not to, because she's a cop, not a king.

>>3188142
>>3188150

Lies! Where are you getting this?! She can break physical objects, but not things that are alive.

Robots. Are. Not. Alive.

If you look back, I believe that none of Nanoha's attacks have actually caused physical damage to anyone.

Eh.... Signum, Vita, Zest, those robots, that sniper, and the cyborgs have, though.

>>3188167
Was about to post a screencap otherwise, then saw this.
>if all else fails she'll just take the rest of her clothes off

>>3188136
No, some Numbers did have AMF protection (though I'm not sure about all of them.) I'm not sure if they had draining fields but their armor/body did have that type of protection. I believe the one with the daggers in particular was mentioned to have it specifically.

>>3187220

Is the attached pic done by the same group as your link?

>>3188188

Erm.... well, in the Fate vs. Numbers fight, the area was engulfed in a AMF, if that's what you mean... I don't think they themselves had it, though.

>>3188175
Why are you even using chrono. It's not like he's romantically involved with Nanoha or anthing.

>>3188128
>In short, the best chance Nanoha has is if Saber is in Shirou's hands, and even then, she has a problem, because mister "I am the bone of my sword" will be DAMNED to watch his hunii get sledged with beamspam. He'll be quick to analyze, trace, and COUNTER Nanoha with beamspam, leading to one excalibeam of victory bare milliseconds later.

more likely scenario is that shirou runs out, gets targeted by nanoha, and saber has to almost sacrifice herself to save shirou. also if saber has "backup" as shirou then nanoha gets to have backup as well. could saber survive rank SSS nukes from hayate? cope with fighting fate in melee while nanoha shoots at range?

>>3188128
>Saber, on the other hand, is a master of slaughter

Killing lots of enemy normal humans lol. I'm sorry to tell you this, but Saber is a noob. She never fought somebody in her skill level and she was killed in a fluke.

>Nanoha's ranged attacks below a certain ranking will actually harm or even 'phase' Saber's ridiculously-high magic resistance.

How can you rank magic? Do you know what rank Meteor Swarm, Brightest Gate, Starlight Breaker, Laguna Blade, Giga Slave, Memento Mori, Vengeful Eyes of God, Extinction, Ragnarok, Lord of Vermillion, Final Master Spark, Magic Missile or even Color Spray. I bet if Fail-su writes Magic Missile as EX+, it would kill Saber.

>mister "I am the bone of my sword"

He will hesitate because it's a little girl. See Illya.

>>3188199

But Chrono already has a canon waifu.

>>3188183
See StrikerS. The device states "Knock out by magical damage" against the first major fight encounter with the numbers I believe. She states that she'll knock Vivio out with magical damage at the end of StrikerS.

The weapons/magic can kill - this is a given. There are examples as well such as Zest since he does kill Due and the fact that the whole Book of Darkness etc. thing was about civilizations etc. dying

>>3188219
Nanoha series ranks magic all the fucking time in the manga. For no adequately explained reason than RANKING IS COOL.

>>3188219
>killed in a fluke.
Gee, I dunno, kind of hard to win against someone who fought on after dieing.

>>3188228
also Nanoha hooked up to a battleship

>>3188211
>also if saber has "backup" as shirou then nanoha gets to have backup as well. could saber survive rank SSS nukes from hayate?
True, Nanoha could have Hayate as backup somewhere on the moon to blow up everything.

>>3188219 implying Magic Missile to be a weak spell at high levels.

Magic Missile is pretty fucking hax for a level 1 spell. Innate Spell Penetration + homing without the need for metamagic feats. Granted, everyone knows Evocation is one of the weakest schools of magic.

Saber probably has the magic resistance equal to a Drow with 20 character levels.

>>3188231
so saber got killed by juuza?

I want a NanohaxSaber writefagotry also anonymous claim the original idea of this coupling

>>3188211
>>3188239
Hayate showing up would only piss off Gil. And then your fight's over, damn whoever the TSAB could come up with after that.

>>3188219
Troll harder.

>>3188268

I'd put it on a scaled down version of dragons seeing as she has the karma of a dragon to begin with.

>>3188281
I only have Fate vs Rider (half-done, got bored before I finished), and Vita vs Shana.

Shana kills TSAB agents. Discuss.

>>3188281
they fight, fuck, what?

>>3187681
Not the same thing. But that's irrelevant.

>>3188291
First one, then the other.

>>3188284
Gil will be as screwed as saber once they have Earth blown to bits.

>>3188290
This should be the consensus of this thread then Nanoha take down Saber master and become her new master.(thus she win by default due to the fact that servant master are mere human) or well you can call it a draw.

>>3188199
Chrono and Nanoha is otp.

>>3188307
Of course, some of the self-proclaimed guardians of the planet won't let that happen.

Z Fighters vs Numbers. DISCUSS.

>>3188281
heres the scenario:

tsab read magical distortions coming from earth from the holy grail war that threatens space/time. nanoha sent to investigate because its coming from near her hometown. nanoha finds the source of the largest distortion, saber using excalibur vs. rider. fight takes place after saber has recovered from rider/berserker and before caster/gil

nanoha characters are too powerful for their own universe, it's like DBZ but with more beams.

>>3188326
Nanoha take down Shirou then learn about gil. She then become Saber master and save the day.

>>3188336
They can't break the universe without a lost logia's help

yet

>>3188336
Except that for all their powers, they're still pretty mid-grade to low on the magic girl scale.

Picture relevant.

If anything, it should be Nanoha vs Archer. THAT is an interesting matchup.

>>3188350
Nanoha characters can unstabilize dimensions.

>>3188357
1.Archer projects Gae Bolg.
2.???
3.???

>>3188357
Yes, seeing as Archer actually can attack a flying opponent.
Despite what the deluded Saber fans tell themselves, Archer is the one you want to look to for an actual fight against Nanoha.

>>3188360
The real miracles/wonderments in Nanohaverse aren't caused by individual characters, but the Lost Logia involved. Versus something like directly affecting hearts and souls, killing/reviving as little as cities to as great as existence itself, and reversing/manipulating time/space, Nanoha has very far to go, if it ever transverses in that direction at all.

>>3188357
I wonder how Gil would fare again Nanoha. He does have a space battleship, and whatever else he's collected during he years.

>>3188374
I'll pick that up too when I'm not being lazy.

>>3188357
archer has shitty magic defense. sure archer is more capable of attacking someone in the air but he has nothing amazing to attack nanoha with. ubw sword spam should be able to be dodged up in the air. once archer gets hit by even a midlevel nanoha spell hes done

I read half of this thread. I feel bad for like either of these series when both fanbases are clearly FULL OF FAGGOTS.

I mean what the hell people, some of the pedantry and complete unwillingness to compromise brings everyone down to the level of WHICH TOUHOU DO YOU THINK IS THE STRONGEST where everyone argues over whos instant death effect will win in a series that doesn't even take itself seriously.

Out of the two, TM oddly does take itself seriously, Nanoha on the other hand doesn't, but it's fans takes it awfully seriously, especially if you suggest Nanoha likes men. Get over yourselves. The best answer is still >>3187929

>>3188374
Saber can fight flying opponents, she did so in the Fate route vs. Rider.

>>3188390
You say that as if lost logia aren't ultimately just devices someone can make and use. lost logia aren't magical, despite their ancient, mysterious, and magical nature. I'm sure RH could be easily upgraded to do lots of stuff.

This is ignoring lost logia are dangerous primarily because they are unstable. Fate as a kid was able to stop one just with her bare hands and precia was able to create her own little floating dimension castle thing and fight people from it.

Come to think of it, nanoha-verse can create life and artificial life like it is nothing. They just need to learn how to transfer souls.

>>3188444
>but it's fans

NANOHA IS FANS?

>>3188450
saber managed to excalibur flying rider who was charging straight at her and wasnt planning on dodging. nanoha is flying/floating stationary above saber, does not intend to charge at her and would be trying to dodge

>>3188461

hurr durr. Series is called Lyrical Magical Girl Nanoha, often shortened to Nanoha, A's or StrikerS depending on which part of the series you are referring too.

I only just noticed the new manga lately though, oddly they still put Magical Lyrical Girl Nanoha on it, then the title ViVid Vivio Memory seeing as it's all about Vivio.

Good chances are when she gets to Nanoha's age she's going to be ridiculous.

>>3188454
>lost logia aren't magical, despite their ancient, mysterious, and magical nature.

Redundant error, there.

The whole reason they're Lost Logia is that they CAN'T be reproduced or used so easily. Gems that disrupt dimensions and a book that tomes all magics are devices made by prodigy geniuses from Nanoha's long ago and far away. TSAB spends their time typically SEALING these anomalies because they can't deal with them otherwise. Even the tome itself was unkillable to them--the book had to reformat its AI to accommodate to its master's will. Presea was the only one with a mind, admittedly one of the brightest and best in the Nanohaverse, to fully-utilize the power of the jewel seeds.

Nanoha as a series, to me, seems to excel in science/magic and psymagic, which is short of the miraculous stuff you'd typically associate with magic girl deals (wishes, purity, directly defying laws of nature with reviving the dead, bending time/space, etc). It's not that it can't stand on its own, but I'd be hesitant to say it can pull the same miracles of "I can revive the universe on a whim" Sailor Moon and the villains she faces. Or the "Defy the power of god" tenacity and will of Hikaru and Rayearth.

>>3188128
We're forgetting something, here. Combat-wise, Orihime outshines Hinata completely. To begin with, Hinata has no kills on her record. Not a one. Orihime, on the other hand, is a master of slaughter, someone whose single-handed actions turned entire war campaigns. Hinata's melee won't help her here, where Orihime's technique, power, and instincts are completely superior.

While the Hyuga clan is indeed old, the entire system of ninja magic (both theirs and Shadow Clone Technique), it's severely doubtful that a host of Hinata's ranged attacks below a certain ranking will actually harm or even 'phase' Orihime's ridiculously-high magic resistance. Her only hope are a plan to launch several reinforced Rasengans in a hopes to no just put Orihime down, but keep her down.

Because there's also a hollow's ridiculous regeneration rate, a bigger threat with something like Tensa Zangetsu on board as support (effectively nullifying any hopes for Hinata's offensive to mean something). In short, the best chance Hinata has is if Orihime is in Ichigo's hands, and even then, she has a problem, because mister "I am the bone of my Zanpakuto" will be DAMNED to watch his hunii get sledged with beamspam. He'll be quick to analyze, trace, and COUNTER Hinata with beamspam, leading to one bankaibeam of victory bare milliseconds later. This victory indeed goes to Orihime.

>>3188268

So, a totally sucky one that a level 14 wizard can easily penetrate with a couple of spells?