/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>31820757
Who?

>>31820757
Why is Ame blue?

>>31820757
She makes more money as an indie though.

>>31820757
is this some sort of new rrat im too new to understand ?

>>31820757

I don't know where you get your info from but i hope that happens

and fuck Amelia for not recognize her as her sister and say it's her cousin or some shit, fucking jealous bitch, her streams are ass anyway

>>31820757
So, she's only popular because she has the same artist as Amelia and is mooching off hololive?

>>31820757

of course /jp has no idea who she is LMAO

people here are normies dude, they watch pekora and the english holos, but that's good, you don't watch normies watching tenshi

>>31821166
Ame is Aryan.

>>31821237
I never watched her much but I knew who she was. Her personality is shit though. She's just some cute ugguu retard that's boring to watch

>>31821233

Ah yes, because only Hololive it's allowed to have vtubers, nice logic retard

Shes doing well because shes entertaining and has a lot of personality

>>31821237
most of her viewers if not all are english speakers though

>>31820757
Source? Also doesn't she make bank as an indie? the only reason she would even be considering would be to access the closed market Holo-crowd, and even then Niji, other indies, and vshojo

>>31821237
Her audience are middle aged men who go to SEA to fuck prostitutes

Is she still using Hololive tags for her streams?

>>31821346
Dunno what the fuck you're talking about.
If she's being sold as "Ame's sister" then it's no surprise that people try to connect those two

Cousins should just fuck off

To be fair, this is just a thread to falseflag some dislike for Uto.

A few members only followed her on twitter and now SEA Niggers are using it as bait to hate on the girl.

>>31821346
> Lots of personality = sucking off EOPs for views seeing she has no JOPs

Would she put out for Yagoo san?

>>31821608
Well I don't want to start some kind of hate war either. I think she's a very nice person, but I find her uninteresting to watch. I suppose if I had extremely low self esteem I'd enjoy watching her.

>>31821237
Nice bait, her chat is shit and full of twitch kiddies.

>>31821166
fuck that boring leech lmao

>>31821608
Why would anyone hate on any Vtuber? i don't get it, is people really that dumb to think anyone not hololive or nijisanji is leeching from them?

The girl only has the same mom as Ame, what the fuck is wrong with that? the artist is not bound by contract to hololive so what the fuck is the problem?

>>31821346
Ah yes, the reddit spacing and having no idea where her popularity came from.

nice

logic

retard

>>31821346
man... cmon, shes your average jp cookie cutter vtuber... theres nothing special about her personality but know that jp bros don't choose her, at all

I can't believe you retards fight over animated pixels, probably most of these streamers would have 100,200 viewers at most with their normal faces like a normal stream, yall are dumb as shit

>>31820757
Extremely shit version of Shirayuri Lily
Can't even speak english lmao

>>31820757
she's a shittier version of shirayuri lily, a vtuber that deserves the shit she's getting more

she's a massive leech

eat shit nigger

>>31824507
>>31824745
>Bringing up Lily
>Implying these retards know anything about Lily

>>31824507
>>31824745
>>31824961

samefag

>>31820757
What's with people's obsession with recruiting girls they like into Hololive? People say the same about Lulu. Why can't they just be successful as they are? It's not like they're forbidden from collabing with the Hologirls. Besides, it wouldn't be the Uto you know if she reincarnated.

>>31821346
1. You're wrong
2. You don't understand japanese

>>31825143
Because Hololive is the best Vtuber company in the eyes of EOP

Shes been putting holos in her tags to leech and baiting EOPs all the time so she would have to be really retarded to go to cover as big indie. Cover takes huge cut and limits what you can stream, its only worth if you aint making much as indie.

>>31821645
Japanese market is saturated. There's more growth with English so of course she but herself into a spot where she'd stand out.

>>31825697

you saying this like it's a bad thing, how is trying to get noticed using known vtubers as tags leeching? they don't need the publicity, she does, it's a smart move in my book even if she's not that interesting.

>>31820757
Not hololive
Hope you get banned fag you are no better than n*an*ers

>>31825907
Didnt mean it as bad thing, just showing that shes doing business here and joining holo would be retarded from that standpoint. Also stop that autistic spacing for no reason every time you post.

>>31826000
DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS THE HOLOLIVE BOARD! YOU HEARD IT GUYS, PACK UP THOSE TOWHOES, ONLY WHORELIVE ON THIS BOARD!

>>31826000
>Shizo goes full retard
Ogey.

>>31825143
I guess people dont think she's a legit vtuber if shes not hololive.

>>31820757
I'd rather have the Tenshi as an Independent VTuber instead, I don't want to stress her further by joining Hololive or Nijisanji or any other group.

>>31821166
She is not her sister you moron, that is not how it works

>>31821237
She is literally new EOP normie bait wtf are you on

>>31821346
leeching is not a personality trait

>>31825505
As bad as Cover is, they are still better than the other popular groups. People wouldn't leave other companies and apply to join them if they were as bad as antis make them out to be.
These days even ID girls can get a guaranteed 100k subs on debut just going off the brand name alone.
Niji has way too many people and only a handful of them make good numbers.
I don't care about western groups and I don't watch 774.

Stay mad retards, imagine being so autistic that you are mad at someone for using the same artist as your favorite american sjw no personality and no stream talent Ame, soon enough Tenshi is going to pass her on viewers without being a part of any corporation, watch

>>31821346
She really doesn't have a very interesting personality and she only got popular because she looks like Ame and EOP normie vtuber fans latched onto her as "Ame's sister"

>>31829542
no shit, the "no personality/leech" shitposter is samefagging this thread

Her views drop lmao

>>31820757
No thanks. I'd rather have her independent.

She even copied amelia's gremlin grin and laugh.
What a leech.

Reminder that if not for Hololive Ameilia Watson would be a 100 viewer literally who and Uto built up what she has all by herself.

Who's the real leech?

god i wish she'd play a different game tomorrow

>>31820757
based 3rd english speaker in holojp

holy shit its actually happening

>>31824507

>>31820955
This, Cover taking 30+% of her cut would actually be worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O89uQMBTTCA

>>31820757
>It's about to happen boys, out little angel is getting scouted by Yagoo and it's going to be a part of the hololive 6th gen

She's an indie and makes as much or more money than a Corponigger. Get fucked.

>>31837788
Being part of the Hololive brand would get her more subscribers and viewers with the collabs and stuff, not counting that it would avoid her becoming a fad, so it would be worth it on the long run.

>>31838685
>Being part of the Hololive brand would get her more subscribers and viewers
she already has that while being an indie
>collabs and stuff
indies can collab with holos and every successful youtube channel readily gets sponsorships and merchandise on their own

>>31824507
that's kinda mindblown, anon

>>31822670
She literally added hololive and the name of hololive members to her meta tags.

>>31821166
i've got nothing against uto but if what people posted a few weeks ago was true, as in she was literally using hololive tags to boost herself upwards then yeah, its normal to call her a leech, as she is literally leeching from hololive

This is so sad.

>>31820757
Her current design is so cute though.

>>31825505
>EOP
You mean ESL. All the retards that talk about hololive are SEA

>ITT : malding hol*faggots
Can't wait until we put you all out

I never understood people falling in love with their oshi until I discovered Tenshi. I've only seen her play Getting Over It and watched an English Chat stream so far, but I watched both entirely live. I may have watched more of her already from that one game alone than anyone in Hololive. I love Tenshi so much! I'm looking forward to more of her streams. I want to see fanart of her being molested by office ladies.

>>31847293
Very nice falseflagging post!

>>31847293
this but unironically

>>31820757
I prefer Gura's sister

>>31820757
Hololive already has an angel

If she ever would join Hololive it would be awkward af for Amelia since her cousin comments

>>31848969
Why? Despite the shitposting I don't think Ame said that to shit on Uto. She was probably just being honest about the fact that she doesn't know anything about Uto and because of the mutual connection of hololive the holos feel more like sisters to her. That said it would be stupid of Uto to hololive regardless after investing god only knows how much money into an avatar that they most likely wouldn't let her keep. It's also diminishing returns. The bigger and faster she grows as an indie the less she has to gain from joining Hololive. Truth is even if they want her (and I've seen no indication of that) she doesn't need them at this point.

Hey Uto fags, a question from someone who doesn't watch her nor HoloEN... Are you guys not worried that her meteoric rise would cause big problems for herself?
We know that vtuber companies are quite draconian when it comes to protecting their IP/brand, e.g. not allowing talents to keep their avatar when they graduate. I mean leeching is not really bad and that is because it's rarely successful. But what we have here is rather unprecedented. She did it so well that when you look at her numbers during primetime, it could even rival the biggest talents out there. And this is where the issue arises.
Would you really expect these companies to just take it in the ass and let it slide, to let some nobody exploit the Mama/Papa system to gain fame and free marketing? This gremlin blatantly rips off everything, even uses Hololive memes like pain-peko lol. I mean Nijisanji though unsuccessful in overseas, wouldn't even go that low. They would rather use terms such as "liver", which btw nobody fucking uses, to build their own brand.
Thoughts?

>>31849781
Tenshi is love.

>>31849781
>We know that vtuber companies are quite draconian when it comes to protecting their IP/brand, e.g. not allowing talents to keep their avatar when they graduate
That's not draconian at all. If the company paid for the avatar then it's the company's property.
>Would you really expect these companies to just take it in the ass and let it slide, to let some nobody exploit the Mama/Papa system to gain fame and free marketing?
They did take it in the ass and let it slide, so yes.
>even uses Hololive memes like pain-peko
is that someone's intellectual property? If it is then I guess that person should protect their intellectual property.

>>31820757
I honestly don't like her being part of Hololive.
Not because she's not fit for it, but more on that she's already in a snug position, especially for an indie.

having a nice debut as an indie doesn't mean the holoen tourists are gonna stick with her long term

>>31850606
topsis...

This is actually mindblowing to me. She can't understand the EOPs and the EOPs can't understand her. And her chat barely has any Japanese in it. Who is she streaming for? What the fuck. She must feel like she's talking to a wall all the time.

>>31850986
Topsis left for over a month, and has only really streamed during JP times since she came back. I watch her vods but she hasn't been making it easy for her EOP fans.

>>31821166
She did recognize her though, get fucked antinigger.

LEECH

i'm so happy

It's fake or true??

>>31851548
If talking to a wall netted me $1k+ every day, I'd do it too

>>31858077
Correction, getting 1k a day while playing games and learning English as well, as well as shit ton of people around the world adoring you. Any sane person would jump for joy at that shit.

>>31851548
That's actually better. She can say whatever shit and as long as it sounds cute her audience will love it. Case in point I have no fucking clue what she's actually saying, but it's cute so I keep watching.

>>31820757
DISGUSTING LEECH

>>31820955
for now. like most indies tho she will sadly lose a lot of the viewers when she is no longer flavor of the month new chuuba. joining a company is the only way to stay relevant for the long term.

>>31849781
>Would you really expect these companies to just take it in the ass and let it slide, to let some nobody exploit the Mama/Papa system to gain fame and free marketing?
Hololive doesn't exclusively own the artists they hire to make their models. There are plenty of other Hololive siblings out there, and yet none of them have really reached the same level of success as Uto.
>This gremlin blatantly rips off everything, even uses Hololive memes like pain-peko lol.
She has a large EOP audience. Most EOP's really only know and care about Hololive. The fact that she's aware of this and uses these Hololive memes to garner even more traction shows that she or whoever is managing her is quite intelligent.
>Are you guys not worried that her meteoric rise would cause big problems for herself?
Cover doesn't own all Hololive mamas/papas or every single Hololive meme made. What she's doing isn't illegal, so there isn't really any grounds to sue. Could it be considered scummy? Sure, but that's business.

>>31849781
Sucks to be Cover then, because they got shit for claims against IP since Uto is an original creation. That's why Cover will become irrelevant if their 3d tech and merch isn't up to par in the future, because anyone can just do what Uto has done with the right rigger and artist.

>the real uto thread died
>The "ree leech not ma chubba" thread lives
Utofags deserve the shitposting. Cant stop biting bait shaking my head.

>>31859501
>shaking my head
kill yourself

>>31859501
Its just the samefag and a bunch of newfag, plus a few from /hlgg/ starting shit and idiots falling for it.

>>31838320
No no, we want to see the other way around. Uto clearly benefits from this one.

>>31844969
Same difference. They speak "English" and some tribal language no one gives a fuck about.

>>31850046
>>31859121
I'm not going to touch the legal aspects of it cause I think that's a non-issue.
The thing is some vtubers are willing to spend big bucks to simp for the top talents just to advertise themselves or do twitter campaigns for clout. Some may found moderate success like in the case of tranny shark, but most have yielded no apparent results. But here we have a leech, that despite all odds managed to succeed where others couldn't. Kudos to her and to the indie artists involved cause she may have provided us the blue print on how to properly free ride on the coattails of others. Although it may involve some luck, but the more successful she is, the more it becomes apparent that going for these known artists might just be a viable tactic.
You guys think that this would not ruffle the feathers of these companies? Cause right now she is so close to eclipsing all of VOMS' talents lol.
>>31859301
>because anyone can just do what Uto has done with the right rigger and artist
And that's precisely the problem right there. We all can see it. I'm sure these companies do too. This leech's success story gives these artists too much clout. And that's a big no no to these companies cause it's in their best interest to have full control of their brand. I mean just look at what Fubuki's mama has done lately. She made another lazy ass carbon copy design for another indie.
I'm just doing hypotheticals here but it's possible that these companies might just do the designs themselves in-house or to not acknowledge these sibling relationships. In any case, these will completely affect the whole mama/papa dynamic/lore that we enjoy right now. And the leech being the center of it all might just get bad karma for it.

>>31867476
VOMS isn't a company.

>>31867525
But the point still stands though

Pretty interesting discussion about the artist and rigger problem. I probably think companies moving forward will try to sign exclusive contracts with the artists themselves when designing a new girl. If i am not wrong, paryi seems to take a small cut on the girls he design granted they are indies.

>>31868212
But who's going to try that? Imagine Ichikara or Cover trying to hire an artist and putting such a clause on the contract, I doubt the artists would appreciate a company trying to monopolize their art.
One tweet from a disgruntled artist and the company's in trouble.

this is the power of sameface

Momonosuke or Malcorond designed vtuber when?

>>31859501
The other thread expired because of the bump limit, retardchama. You know, because people actually post in that thread.

>>31867476
The solution will either be companies not giving a shit and ignoring, or writing into future contracts that other commissioned works for an artist have to look sufficiently different. I mean Amelia and Uto are literally carbon copy aameface and that's the primary problem here. There's a third but unlikely route which is the Nanashi way of making your own signature style and having all talents conform to a certain style, that way you can still have a distinct brand.

>>31870137
You are retarded. They don't look the same at all. It's only the face. The color theme is different the hair is different the clothes are different the accessories are different. What more do you want? Character designers always do this, that's why people find similar looking characters in different anime for example. No one has any problem with that. You are creating an issue where there is none for the sake of shitposting.

She actually has a lot of Chinese viewers if based on the comments made on Chinese clippers.

>>31870259
Taiwan and HK*

>>31870212
if you took this picture >>31855676 and changed the hair color it would literally be Uto

>>31870212
they don't really even have the same face

Ame has a noticeably pronounced jawline
eyes are proportioned smaller and closer to skin tone
mouth is larger while lip is much less noticeable
I dare say Uto makes her look like a (cute) boy in comparison

it's literally just the pupils

>>31870812
I just noticed how bad Ame's bloodshot eyes look like. It's a shame. However I like her haircut more. Not so generic anime girl hair.

>>31871011
>detective
>bloodshot eyes
makes sense to me

>>31829542
Ame is an sjw? Where'd you get that from?

>>31870812
The differences are very minor it's still same face.

>>31870212
That's just bad artists who have the same 6 faces.
Good artists can make infinite unique faces.

>>31871929
It's literally a different face when the facial structure itself differs

>>31871865
out of his ass, Ame's previous life was much more "toxic" than it is now.

>>31872045
yea, no

So tell me, antis. Do you hate Amelia? Or why are you upset that are more than one of her? Isn't that a good thing?

>>31820757
Now there are two of them, this is getting out of hand

>>31872108
yea, yea
it's literally not same face
nabi's style already contrasts with Ame's live2d avatar to begin with

>>31871865
>Twitch streamer
.>not sjw

>>31872223
retard

She's only 312K today, yesterday was around 304K? She's heavily reclining, I suggest you bandwagoning faggots find another tuber to pester.

>>31872342
cope ESL seanigger

>>31872381
Sell Sell Sell

>>31829542
describe uto's personality

>>31824507
why hasn't she joined hololive yet? she'd be perfect for the EOP audience.

>>31872742
Cute exterior hides an analytical, direct, and biting character
Incredibly stubborn on upholding her own standards
Someone who cares about actually improving rather than just having fun
Ambitious enough go it alone, having the gall make 1M her next goal after 100k as an indie.

>>31873069
She's also very observing and quick to react to the chat, also she likes to tease the viewers in funny ways. But I don't like to discuss her in the anti thread.

>Schedule superchat reading today
>Same time as Mori

KEK, no one's gonna watch her, most of her viewers are deadshits.

>>31873361
I'd feel more bad for Mori

>>31873361
So this will actually show something about the fanbase, good point.

>>31824477
>yall
nigger

Me and my chooms prefer yellow Ame.

>>31873069
>Cute exterior hides an analytical, direct, and biting character
So like Ame?
>Incredibly stubborn on upholding her own standards
Like Ame?
>Someone who cares about actually improving rather than just having fun
Like Ame?

>>31873700
half of this isn't really true for her; more fitting for Ina honestly

>>31873700
More like Mori
A Shit

>>31873700
>Ame invented personalities
And you want me to take you seriously?

>>31821346
https://streamable.com/ythdti
Yeah sure anon. Not gonna discredit what she achieved or anything, but thats literally how her fans market her.

>>31820999
rrat?

>>31838767
>indies can collab with Holos etc
Yeah if they have connections. Ui is Subaru's illustrator, Tamaki is a big illustrator, some Holos know Nijis irl like Aqua, Suisei and Matsuri, and the network expands from there from recommendations. Its not as easy as "eh, they can just collab with Holos even if they're indie". Same goes to sponsors.

>>31822670
Their fans themselves market her as Ame's sister. No subtleties whatsoever.

>>31872790
She has her own agency already, and its like she is doing too poorly

I THINK KOOPA SUCKS

>>31874524
>>31874665
This is bad because?
Most sisters stay in obscurity because they aren't talented enough to capitalize on their connection.
I'm so glad to finally have someone who's able to go all the way.

>>31874804
It shits up both their chat, obviously. Uto might dont care about it since she'll get that boost, but Ame who literally have zero connection with her suddenly have some random in chat asking if she would collab with some literal who.

>>31874177
Aren't you the one who said Ame has no personality?

>>31859050
you underestimate the tenshimps

>>31875081
It doesn't. Everyone forgot it about three weeks ago and there might be one occasional newfag who asks it and gets drowned in a flood of comments.

>>31875339
No, and if you knew how to check user IDs you would know it.

>1.7K

Kek, She's already dead

>>31876197
Now check and post it every two minutes, kek.

>>31876248
>Can't even look for it himself

Kek, the state of leechfags

When Uto completely btfos Amelia in both subscriber and viewer counts are people still gonna call her a leech?

>>31849727
I mean I think hololive probably does not want to tie one of their talents to an indie like that. Being her "sister" could become awkward if Uto suddenly pulls some major yab and becomes a liability, it's not like Cover has any control over her actions or what she's gonna do...

Hell, even if she did get scouted into hololive she probably wouldn't get to keep her current avatar (cases like that seem to be pretty rare exceptions?) so even more reason tying Ame to her too deeply doesn't make much sense if she would have to get killed off eventually in favor of her new holo persona.

>>31867476
I mean if Cover was THAT concerned surely they could pick a few of their favorite artists and sign exclusive contracts with them not to design Live2Ds for any other vtubers. Probably most of them would agree with that in exchange for a pay bump, though the really high profile ones like huke or pochi might balk, but I doubt they'd be easily approachable by an indie at any rate.

>>31872327
she said nigga before, i dont think an sjw would say the n word kek

>>31824961
I watch 'em both. Popped into the thread wondering if there was some announcement hinting at the possibility (unlikely) and expected bickering over narratives. I didn't expect bickering over angel-themed V-tuber designs w.

>>31876711
I wouldn't be surprised. Uto is so much more entertaining to watch than Ame, she deserves the subs.

>>31879680
what makes her so entertaining

she growing faster than most holos
she does not need cover to take 40% of her earnings

>>31876833
Any artist who agrees to a minor pay bump in exchange to have their careers restricted for the rest of their lives or several years would have to be legitimately retarded. A contract like that would have to be so good that it compensates for years of lost commissions. If they do decide to make an in-house team of artists/riggers, their future models will probably suffer from sameface and lack of creativity. Either way, there's no point in talking about what companies will do in the future because it won't affect Uto.

>>31843261
That’s just a high IQ move. If she was from some other company I would agree with you but she’s an indie. She has to fend for herself and grab at anything she can in order to survive, and she succeeded.
Don’t think of me as her simp since I have only watched like 3 or 4 of her videos.

>>31885082
Yeah I guess so, I was kind of thinking a situation where they're more or less guaranteed continued work making X amounts of live2D avatars per year, though that wouldn't really work either unless Cover plans to keep pumping out holos constantly which would honestly be a pretty bad business move in my opinion. (They're already kind of getting diminishing returns with each new generation and the girls will just wind up cannibalizing each other's fans at this rate...) Well, there's room for another EN generation or two maybe, possibly some other overseas branches like this.

>>31820757
Hololive En Don't fit in with the rest of Hololive, EN seems too well adjusted with the exception of Amelia who actually has childhood trauma. Not a oppression Olympics all of them just seem like they would be happier with a job unrelated to the internet with the exception of Amelia

Sorry for the google translation. She used to be a Vtuber named "Aizawa".
Even though she was warned by the management, she didn't stop slandering her coworkers and was fired, and after that she continued to swear and caused problems.

Since becoming a UTO, she has been spoofing holololive as you know, and since she is not a pure indie Vtuber (there are companies behind her), the actions of holololive members who tolerate her existence may be considered a problem in the future.

She is now repeatedly contacting holololive members in an attempt to find one who will acknowledge her existence.

>>31820757
So this is the anti thread huh, make it easier to find next time, onegai

>>31868896
It worked for Hirai and Fubuki's mama, just wait for nabi to get more daughters

>>31887650
Fubuki's other daughters aren't popular though which hurts to say because Siu is pretty great

>>31887837
shit, I meant Mito's other daughters

>>31886426
>She is now repeatedly contacting holololive members in an attempt to find one who will acknowledge her existence.
>Ollie and Anya have visited Uto's streams multiple times of their own accord
>5 hololive members follow her on twitter
get better bait

>>31870812
Holy fuck are you trying to falseflag, that same face is ridiculous.

>>31885684
Isn't Gura a depressed alcoholic?

>>31877224
>https://streamable.com/ythdti
whats wrong with nigger?
you niggers will nigger out of anything

She successfully leeched off Hololive, showing that indies are better off commissioning Holo mamas / papas and using that “family” connection to leech of Hololive’s brand. Expect more of her type to start showing up, hell even Kana tried to do the same but Gura never acknowledged her (which all EN Holos should do).

She's already at 300k huh... I'm both angry and happy at the same time.

>>31888373
So where are the other "leeches" then, anon?

>>31885683
At the end of the day, it only proves that pumping out holos is going to be a dead end since someone with a high end rig can just as well upend you. Cover's on borrowed time, and even Nijisanji is moving towards investments in bettering their 3d tech and licensing out their software. IIRC a JP indie group uses Niji software.

>>31886426
>look it up
Holy shit, it's true. I don't know about the Hololive part but this girl is beyond yabai.

>>31888052
ID members are not informed of anything. It is true that the cover does not care much about these girls. I think it's a security hole.

>>31888373
>hell even Kana tried to do the same but Gura never acknowledged her
Kana had three things going against her:
1. She's not Japanese so there's the EN cringe factor. It's much cuter to have a Japanese girl trying to speak in English and not understanding the memes.
2. Kana's mama didn't shill her nearly as much as Nabi.
3. Kana doesn't stream regularly or as long as Uto.

>>31873361
>Can't even get 3K viewers
>Not even $1K superchats

Atleast you faggots should know how pitiful her true fanbase is compared to true Hololive.

>>31888499
To be fair the ID girls probably weren't thinking that deeply about it either since they only visited her as she was inclining.

>>31888463
Well I think this situation is atypical in a lot of ways. Other "sister" characters exist to holos but didn't nearly see the same popularity boost, I don't think shelling out for a high profile artist to try to leech off a popular holo that used that same artist is a safe bet by any means, and not every indie is gonna have the budget for that.

Also it just doesn't seem like the kind of trick to me that can be pulled more than 1-2 times even when successful...

>>31888555
>1. She's not Japanese so there's the EN cringe factor. It's much cuter to have a Japanese girl trying to speak in English and not understanding the memes.
I think this is the main thing desu. A lot of EN fans have a big boner for the Japanese girl trying to learn English and interact with them, so that's really what kept them engaged after the 10 seconds of novelty from the resemblance to Ame wore off.

Japan is not a hololive state.There are various rivals and conflicts. Free-riding by companies on rival companies creates a great deal of hate. Now Uto is trying to take advantage of the youngest and most vulnerable JP member, Shion, and some of the JP Bros are aware of this move.

EN Bros, please do not support any contact between holo-live and Uto

>>31888589
Doesn't this just prove that most of her whales and subs are Deadbeats? This 'most of her fans are teamates' bullshit is getting old.

>>31888768
Shion raped the last woman who tried to take advantage of her

Alright guys, you successfully convinced me to unmember all holoENs. I still have Korone and Haachama, but they are at least distinct from your shitposting. Good job!

>>31888771
T. takodachi

Ame just had her bday stream where she received a substantial amount of SC so any money that could've went to Uto went to Ame, oh wait you don't know that because you're falseflagging the deadcraps.

The only guys left that watched Uto were the ones trying to get her to jump through a hoop that's on fire. And they're not even members just SEA Niggers.

I was watching KanaCoco Minecraft collab earlier today and I believe that this leech was also doing a superchat reading stream, not sure cause I never watch any of her streams. And oh boy are her numbers so good. She maintained like about 2k+ viewers on PRIMETIME. And that's with the other big collabs going on at the same time.
Success breeds jealousy and leeching off someone is not really a problem until it becomes one. Me thinks that this leech is doing way too well for her own good.

>>31889631
>not sure cause I never watch any of her streams.
So tsun. Just admit it.

>>31889631
2k for superchat reading is good

>>31889830
I don't even watch HoloEN but I really hope that this leech gets big. Like big enough to threaten Niji's top streamer numbers.
>>31889866
Definitely. Especially on primetime. Superchat reading is a big debuff.

>>31890004
What are those numbers though? I don't follow nijis.
Btw today's stream had a consistent 2.5k, even when the KoroMiko collab started. Didn't go higher, but didn't drop either.

>>31890114
Below 5K viewers is shit numbers for Hololive superchat. Only Kiara gets lower than that. Pekora gets ~20K. Only exception is Roboco because she is Roboco.

>>31890237
Holy illiterate Fuck! That guy was talking about nijis and I also asked about nijis. Not holos.

>>31890237
If you actually watched Hololive you'd know the numbers you are giving are bogus shitty falseflagger

>>31889866
It's DAMN good. Ame barely hits those numbers on primetime when Kiara and Gura are also streaming seperately.

>>31888063
>not the same face
>it's same face!!!!
antis are genuinely desperate

uto might be an annoying devious leech, but jesus christ her streams are more watchable than 99% of holo en ones
she might only get 3-4k viewers but she’ll probably retain that moving forward whereas i see holoen streams dwindling to 5k or less in the future

>>31826891
I mean if character designer = mom, then that would be how it works in theory.

>>31820757
No she wont, and im glad. Our angel is strong as an independent.

>>31894089
she almost hit 15k playing Getting Over It, imagine the numbers going into RFA

>>31893770
Delusional or blind?
Nabi has a huge sameface problem idk how you can't see it

>>31870812
UOOOOHHH TRAP AME TRAP UTO UOOOOHHH

>>31893477
Are you serious? Ame's supercha sunday has like 5k viewers at the least and go on for like six hours.

>>31873069
I like smart/skilled girls

>>31896783
Uto and Ame don't have the same face because Ame's live2d is actually fairly different from Nabi's Ame shape-wise and tone-wise
When Hitsu's design looks closer than her mama's it's no wonder Ame got her to do the official artwork instead like her birthday merchandise.

I don't know why Utofags still cling to Ame when they should be worshiping Mori instead. Most of the sponsors are Mori whales, so Uto is just being propped up by Mori indirectly. If Mori says 'Leave Uto', Uto will straight up die. You guys should kneel to Mori first.

>>31900660
Stop shitposting, Mori.

>>31820757
Shame to lose such an amazing model, maybe they could get the same person to make the next one, but I doubt it'd have so much S O U L

>>31837788
Don't forget the other 30% that jewtube takes

>>31874554
ogey?

>>31900660
Unironically, that's because Utofags are Ame antis stemming from the Amepocalypse and also are from SEA. Incidentally, Uto's fanbase is largely comprised of SEA and Taiwanese.

>>31820955
They can give her a better deal since she's already establish, better percentage take. Plus the extra money she'll make from merchandising and concerts. So it depends if she prefers just doing her thing or seeing the advantages of being part of a company.

I was away for a month. Watched her a little bit, seems charming and pretty skilled at games. Is there anything else to her sudden popularity?

>>31901512
Her chat is mostly english.

>>31851548
She uses pretty simple japanese you could learn from watching anime alone. Also noises are out of this world cute.

>>31874695
isn't she averaging like a hundred viewers? any hololive girl is going to get at least 3-4k viewers, it's not even comparable

>>31902083
If you wanna compare everyone to Hololive everyone is gonna look bad anon. Just compare her to someone like Pikamee for example. Pikamee have more exposure, one of her mod or whatever people call those people with spanners and blue name is a YouTuber who do reaction videos and does reactions to Hololive's too. Pikamee also collabs a ton, with Holomembers, even with Loafy and Roberu, with big indies like Tomari and Itoulife, not sure if she collabbed with Nijis before though. Her choice of game are Western bait like Bully, Dark Souls and MineCraft. Now let's look at Lily. Most of her collabs are also with Vivid members, which are also literal whos, which means no exposure for her. The last time she do collab with a Holo is with Fubuki in Project Winter which is months ago. Choice of games? Kusoges and gacha shit like ArkKnights or other filter games. Even Tomari feels more watchable simply because her choice of games arent filters, so I can watch him whenever I my oshii isnt streaming.

>>31901621
I heard that signing the contract means permanently giving away the rights of your character and avatar to that company
Even if she gets a Suisei situation it still wouldn't seem ideal.

>>31875352
Or maybe You overestimate them
>>31859050
I won't say its the only way. There are after all popular indies, although not many

>>31901788
>SEA
You mean Philippines. SEA like Singapore and Malaysia give Superchats while Philippines do not even get Membership and always ask her to say something in Philippine language and pollute her chat in shit talk.

>>31888277
yes

>>31900660
Deadbeats are worse than KFP, is that even possible?

>>31890237
Superchat streams are a huge debuff even Holos lose like 60% of their viewers when they do them. Those numbers are ridiculous as fuck, no need to exaggerate. I'm curious about how she compares to the niji's since I don't really watch them.

>>31903717
>overestimate them
her fanbase is already such a cult it's insane
her videos get an insane amount of likes for the views she already has

going by like rate we have
Uto: 11.66%
Kiara: 10.07%
Haachama: 9.38%
Ina: 9.07%

>popular indies
current streaming numbers wise only Ui (who streams like once a week) and Shibuya Hal (who barely gets likes and SCs) compare

>>31904092
>Malaysia
>SCs
>PH
>no membership or SCs
You don't even watch her now, do you? Good job on making it obvious.
Before you bitch and moan, the top SC currencies in her streams are as follows:
>USD
>ARS
>SGD
>RUB
>PHP
>CA
and the rest. Couple of Rupees and Euros from time to time. Rares are other currencies in Latin America. Heck, even Aussie dollars are rare.
Yes, I'm a flip. But fuck you for assuming I don't member and SC to show my support for her, you insignificant fuck. Kill yourself.

>>31904882
Whatever helps you sleep anon, just saying you can't estimate someone's long term performance based on her performance in recent months. Especially when the only way I have seen people market her is "cute, tenshi, Ame's sister". If she is gonna be successful with all this weird marketing and exposure even in long term then good for her.

>>31901738
She's a guy

https://streamable.com/nvm798

>>31905048
that's what marketing is
people stay because she's among the most talented, prepared and hardworking players in the market right now

>>31904893
>I'm a flip

Kek, a literal schizo.

>post shit without any legitimate source
I can pull shit out of my ass too.

>>31904893
Insecure flip kek

>>31904653
deadbraps are the absolute worst, this is an established fact

She looks like this?
https://iketog.com/amatukauto_zense/

why are doxxbraps like this?

Uto said she played APEX with Shion...

>>31907363
5ch is in shambles, she has her own fan and anti thread there now

>>31907363
I thought that poster who said she was Aizawa was a schizo but all of its actually true.

>>31907945
yeah he was right, check this article
https://iketog.com/amatukauto_zense/

>>31907945
she is, but that poster put out a slanted account of what actually happened

>>31908033
Go on

>>31907837
This is why I'm worried when her popularity breaks the chart. I hope the fans that market her with other group names can defend her against her antis if shits gets bad cuz AFAIK know she leaves in JP where anti problem can get really nasty.

>>31820757

I love Amelia and Tenshi!

I feel kind of bad for her honestly. She took off in EN popularity way too prematurely, so now she basically has no JP audience to engage with and no way to build one since she has to keep catering to dumbasses who never get tired of her saying "FUnNy ENgliSH". She's definitely going to retire by the end of the year unless she gets really good at english or somehow doesn't get tired of playing a glorified dancing monkey.

>>31906871
>>31906912
Kawaii!

>>31909338
>>31907837
I really don't understand it.
She's more closer to the EN audience than the JP ones.
So why are they throwing a fit?

>>31909913
Bold of you to assume that it's not her plan all along to do that.

>>31910094
I mean sure if she wants to cash out after a year but it sounds pretty miserable to me

>>31910288
People have different approaches in life, man.
In the end, we'll never really know why she does it, and keeps doing it.

>>31910288
Not really, she doesn't get fully what most people are saying so she has that filter. Ignorance is bliss.

>>31910054
We have schizos minding about JP vtuber's business, they have the reverse. Or vtuber antis as a whole, or people who just hate Western vtubers, or people who just wanna label anything as leeching.

Are those who dislike her copycat acts anti?

>>31908033
Revenge doxxing is a pretty shitty thing to do so I'm interested in hearing the other slant.

>>31910986
Among others, yeah.

>>31910986
If you don't like any small thing about something you're an anti
https://youtu.be/-MDyR3BTTTQ

>>31908868
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q11225673446
this has a concise summary, translated with some help of deepl

>How it all started
N and A weren't getting along too well.
U (the leader): "Please get along!"

>One day
A: "U-san, can I have an editor?
U: "No! It's hard to get an editor!
A: "I understand..."

>A gets an editor on her own without telling U
U: Why did you lie to me! We don't need liars! I don't want liars! (for various reasons, but this is the main one)

>A withdraws from the group
She releases an apology statement which also reveals her age.
Since N and A happen to be the same age, N's age is "revealed" too
U gets mad and fights with A on Twitter

>Several days later
Some whistleblower revealed that N made some abusive comments.
In the meantime, A put out her list of complaints towards the group including
- 21:00 to 24:00 hours for participation increasingly becoming a pain
- She wasn't included into their LINE group
- She did not receive the editing software other members promised to hand over to her
- She did not receive all of the roles needed on the group's discord
- She wanted to manage YT analytics for her own account

U brushed off the complaints, saying "he was busy" for half of them

>U's comment that caused him to be attacked by others
In retaliation for "revealing" N's age, U also threatened to reveal A's "boyfriend"
This is a kind of blackmail, so I guess sentiment turned against him there

And then, N's own moderator revealed she said abusive comments towards him.
N instantly dumped that moderator afterwards.
U on the incident: While it's good he wasn't lying, I shouldn't have relied on him to begin with.

>This answerer's own thoughts
"I really don't think the last part is a joke. If you look at the comment section on Twitter, you can see how I feel.
I'm sorry if I've left out some things or misunderstood some things.
It's just that, I don't know if there's any need to beat up on A any more, and that I think U and N were at fault too"

>>31910986
good artists copy, great artists steal

>>31911245
I think someone also linked two youtube videos before which are connected to this, but I never really bothered to dwell deeper into it, so I forgot.

>>31911245
Aizawa...

Doxxers and schizos are at it again.
Time to remind you that probably the person behind the cute avatar is not as cute, and you will never see them in real life. For instance, Sora's roommate is not very cute. But Sora is still cute.
Like an anime, you like the character they play, not the voice actors themselves.

>>31911245
Sounds like both sides were rats desu

>>31911854
Man, I know about Botan's roommate, but it still doesn't deter me from watching her for her giggles and FPS mastery.

>>31911245
>A's "boyfriend"
Idolfags on suicide watch

>>31911963
They're not "idols", anon.

>>31911676
One was U's viewpoint and the other looks to be a fan of his

This is the most popular alternative view, and also happens to be the least disputed
https://youtu.be/WiRUd84pn3U

>>31824507
Isn't he a confirmed tranny from his older tweets? Like 4 different "western vtubers" got outed as trannies last week.

>>31912175
Names? Sauce?

>>31912175
huh?

>>31912175
lily is not a western vtuber you fucking retard

>>31911245
>>31911963
How'd U even know who her supposed "boyfriend" is? Getting schizo vibes from that dude.

>>31911245
So let's summarize.
She wanted to be helpful by getting a editor, after the group leader said it's too hard to get an editor. Because of this the group leader fired her, also blackmailed to doxx her bf. She made an apology publicly where her only wrongdoing was that she accidentally revealed the age of someone else who then threw a hissy fit (they were both adults at that point).
What a criminal. Seriously.

>>31912645
It does feel like he throwing out a hypothetical to make it a bigger deal than it really is

>>31912814
When the supposed "leader" gets outshone by the member, he/she does everything in their power to undermine the member, so as to preserve his station.
Fuck, it hits too close to home.

>>31912814
"accidentally"

>>31912175
You're mixing up "lilyhops" Lily with Shirayuri Lily, they have nothing to do.
Also it's 3 of the ~20 followed western indies who got "outed" and 2 of them were already known, just without hard proof.

>>31824961
I've watched her a lot, the zenra thing got a bit stale but I like how the chat can tease her
I wanna eat her cookies too

>>31912212
Mocca, Mushi and Liliyhops

>>31913748
She revealed her own age. Which was the same as the other cunt's age. Fucking read a comment for once.

>>31914535
0 surprise there.

>Uto-antis watch western tranny vtubers
Can't make this shit up.

>>31914566
revealed her own age when it was already known that they were the same age as a teammate they happened to have bad blood with. sure, and it was her "friend" who used the Holoen metatags.

>>31904893
Look ma! Joribi! Joribi!

>>31914988
>self doxx to harm someone else
Also she's a 400IQ genius, she does everything on her own, of course.

>>31915263
yes, that sounds about right.

>>31915396
I bet she would be flattered.

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>>31916366
delegated to her sister when she was busy doing vtuber prep for reincarnation

>>31904092
>Malaysia
SCs are banned here, retardchama.

>>31916621
Banned? Don't you mean they just weren't implemented by Google?

>Find a Vtuber indie i like
>Go on /jp/ to share my excitement
>Instantly ruined by doxxposts
Fuck you all.

>>31917631
>be me
>like cute cuubas
>see the voice behind them
>like cute asians
>like them even more

be me anon, cute is justice!

>>31918093
You should know this girl is not just cute, but a a literal genius as well. She knows what she’s doing and she’s smart as they come. Its not a surprise she’s getting so popular because she has actual charisma and knows how to fully capitalize her skills.
Even if you say that she’s just another chuber, if you actually find her history you learn she is a pro gamer, as proven by how well she can play. If you don’t like gaming she can actually sing. If you don’t like it and is just for the cuteness, she based her entire personality on just that. It’s so brilliant that its almost scary cause one way or another you find someway to admire her.
For fucks sake, she made her getting over it play-through into some hyped up stream that kept people watching despite being stuck doing the same thing for hours.

>>31918093 #
You should know this girl is not just cute, but a a literal genius as well. She knows what she’s doing and she’s smart as they come. Its not a surprise she’s getting so popular because she has actual charisma and knows how to fully capitalize her skills.
Even if you say that she’s just another chuber, if you actually find her history you learn she is a pro gamer, as proven by how well she can play. If you don’t like gaming she can actually sing. If you don’t like it and is just for the cuteness, she based her entire personality on just that. It’s so brilliant that its almost scary cause one way or another you find someway to admire her.
For fucks sake, she made her getting over it play-through into some hyped up stream that kept people watching despite being stuck doing the same thing for hours.

Also helps that she’s not a fucking tranny.

>>31918337
this is much praise is a bit unnerving as a site regular
try again seanig

>>31918277
>>31918337
Anonchama?

>>31918457
I like smart girls. They make my pepee hard with cum and respect.

>>31918337
The only thing you got right is that she's a cunning leech, seanigger.

>>31918625
A successful cunning leech, to be precise. Reminds me of the early days of vtubers who leeched off Kizuna and the rest then got to the top then stayed at the top while the hags died off. Maybe that’s why I like her so much. It brings back early memories of Tokino Sora.

>>31914988
EOP's eat that shit up lol The bitch is too cutthroat, I'm surprised how they can still see her as a cute angel.

>>31918625
Successful leeching is a business skill that makes great companies.

>>31820757
Koopa Fortuna is better.

>>31918806
I won’t be surprise if her EOPs already knew but is still sticking with her because of how ruthless and cutthroat she is. Remember that Overseas loves nothing more than strength and charisma, unlike Japanese cuckolds.

>>31918978
Well said. I like you.

>>31820757
>first vtuber to establish a solid connection between herself and holoEN
>doesn't even interact with them directly
thank you based tenshi for making the jp branch look functionally braindead

>>31919312
But there's Haacham- nevermind.

Why is she so good at games?

>>31921765
She was a pro gamer before, her sister and her being good enough to join some esport but only got left out of the group because she was underage or something. She’s a diamond rank in APEX.

>>31921765
>good at games
>Only 20 hours in Getting over it

Lol, she did not even last 24 hours and you call her good.

>>31922330
>diamond rank in apex

She's probably gonna get popular with the nips

>>31922894
Wasn’t the idea of that game to finish it as fast as possible?

>>31922981
She’s also got the double hammer badge too, which is gotten from doing 4k in a single match.

>>31919312
She is leeching hard. People like her would do whatever to stay relevant and cannot be trusted.

>>31922330
She got kicked out for some internal beef within the esport group and then she doxxed her coworker as revenge.

>>31923585
>has been debunked in this very thread

>evidences are brought up of her having been a cutthroat in her past identity
>shows all signs of still being a cutthroat in her new identity
>people still want to belieb

reminds me of the Artia situation

>>31918978
I can respect the hustle but not the dishonesty.

>>31926122
Unironically this, but at least Uto is not a commie

>>31922981
her chat is all english so no

>>31927553

Muh centrism

>>31927553
shut up liberal

>>31927018
what dishonesty, don't you whine about the tags again

>>31928637
she'll never sit on your face anon, stop wasting your time

>>31929425
>she'll never sit on your face anon
not with that attitude

>>31929425
delet this

lol all vtuber nowadays leeched of kizuna ai faggots, saying that uto is a leech is a bit of hypocritical

most of the og vtuber leeched kizuna ai faggots, saying that uto is a leech is a bit of hypocritical

>>31932988
95% of early YouTube did the thing with tags because there was no other way to get noticed.