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I still refuse to read any of these threads.

And in the end all we care about is Rika wining the end game.

What was the explanation for Ange coming back?

Did she use her witch resurrection powers?
Was it another Ange from another universe?

Also who are the new magic characters? They look like sailors with light sabers.

Also is beato moe or trolling?

also fuck yeah rudolph.

>>3141950
I knew this was going to happen. Bern may be a god tier troll but she doesn't lie.

>>3141968
WHY ARE YOU HERE THEN. EITHER USE THE FILTER TO FILTER OUT THREADS OR GO AWAY BEFORE YOU GET SPOILED AND LOSE TO THE WITCH.

>>3141976
Ange does not back but Battler stay alive this time.

Holy fuck. Natsuhi had a son?!

Battler is confirmed in red to not be the culprit. He has never killed anyone in any of the games.

A friendly reminder.

>>3141993
That's two theories shot down. Not only is he not the culprit in EP4 he also didn't commit suicide.

>>3142008

He got a heart attack from thinking too hard about Beatrice's cow tits.

I am going to get drunk this night in order to forget all spoilers.

So people are speeding through this game to spoil plot points for everyone else?

>>3142017
Kill yourself so that in the next world the memories from just before your death are erased.

>>3142017
Wait someone explain this scene.

New magic character is protecting Goldsmith and Battler, the underlying implication that they're working together.

SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHERE THE LOYALTIES LIE.

Oh God what.

End of the Golden Witch is becoming a clusterfuck of witches and furniture the more and more I read about it.

...Not entirely sure if I like it or not.

>>3142029
Erika's furniture getting owned by Goldsmith-Battler team-up denying her logic.

Oh Ryukishi.

"Episode 5 is the start of anti-fantasy's counterattack! Except it's so horrifying and inhumane that Battler switches sides lolololol"

>>3142033
There's only 4 new characters. Not much compared to ep4.

>>3142031
Wasn't used.

Can someone explain how Battler's sin is the reason that Natsushi is killing the others?

>>3142038
Goldsmith/Battler team? I must read this.

I knew anti-fantasy had it coming.

Just ask me something: There's new info about 556?

>>3142068
no.

I don't think you guys have to worry about Erika being the main character from now on. She's basically being portrayed as a heartless monster as she argues anti-fantasy.

>>3142056
Looks like a mixed bag, Anti-mystery are happy that there is a human culprit and Beatrice is being denied. On the other hand it's another witch's furniture doing the denying with new magic characters.

Seems like this moved from "Lets deny magic" to "Well magic has become so ingrained into this story lets deny beatrice instead"

>>3142068
She doesn't even get a cameo. She appears in the TIPs though, just like in EP4. Still dead.

Also, it's obvious all of Erika's "Mary Sue"-ness is completely deliberate, as to make her despicable.

>>3142076
How does she have furniture if she's anti-fantasy?

So what the fuck is Battler doing in the anti-mystery ? whats with the sudden change

I crash just after this
I think something is supposed to appear

My love for Bern skyrocket in EP5.

>>3142089
She's some kind of a retarded witch detective justicebringer deus ex machina, that's why she used BOTH red and blue at the same time.

>>3142100
The description alone makes me sure that she's some sort of trap for Battler.

Battler needs to punch her in the face preemptively.

>>3142111
She is extremely fucking obnoxious and despicable, but it's very obviously deliberate, so there you go.

Battler: "Don't you have a heart!?"
Erika: "A heart? What's that? :3"

I'm sure by next episode Battler will somehow trump her FEELINGS or whatever the underlying motif for this story is.

>>3142131
Battler needs to turn his mind to gold and start getting to the bottom of what's really going on, instead of buying into all this fantasy bullshit.

>>3142039
>"Episode 5 is the start of anti-fantasy's counterattack! Except it's so horrifying and inhumane that Battler switches sides lolololol"

Did he actually say that, or did you just write that?

>>3142143
He said the first part.

also does the Text hooker+Atlas combo makes things understandable or should i expect gibbersh

>>3142050
Battler created Beato as a split personality and as Beato told Natsuhi to do shit

>>3141950
Not sure if I understand you correctly. Please explain.
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http://at.com/4i

So hey anonytroll if so many people survive why are there death info things for everyone, exploded heads, and Kinzo and Battler "missing" again just checking because arc.nsa is a lot more trustworthy than you are.

>>3142167
It fucks up names often. Translates Natsuhi as princess in summer, or some shit like that.

Just remember when ATLAS starts talking about summer, it's talking about Natsuhi.

>>3142235
You can edit in names into the atlas dictionary and set it to "human" so it knows that it's a persons name and translates the sentences correctly.

Kinzo and Battler will now pilot giant robots to fight in the meta world.

>Kinzo and Battler team up
I WAS BORN TO READ THIS

Too bad it's almost certainly fake.

>>3142098

I'm having the same problem and heard from another post that it may have something to do with the sound files. Is anyone else having this problem?

>>3142352
The spoilers or the events? Because most of the spoilers have been pretty much confirmed.

>>3142367
If you used winRAR to unpack the game it may have given some files the wrong name. use zip7 instead if this is the case

>Kinzo and Battler team up
Holy shit
Its like I'm really reading the Caster/Shirou team-up route

>>3142344
I CAN ONLY HOPE

I torrented the game. Is that the problem maybe? Is there another source to download it or something? As far as I remember, I had to do no unpacking to play the game (I just had to download the torrent and mount the file).

Ok, that's fun and all.

But does anything happen to Rosa?

>>3142956
she dies first ;_;

Furudo Erika facts declared in red:

Erika is not the culprit
There is only one single Erika
Erika did not exist until the 5th game.

>>3142187

Is this confirmed at all?

Beatrice facts (not declared in red)

Beatrice soul has been destroyed in the last game, what's left is an empty husk. Furthermore she has been binded by Lamda Delta.

Chess piece Beatrice is still in the game, but the one moving her is gamemaster Lamda Delta

>>3143094
None of these are "confirmed", it's all up to how much you're willing to believe spoilers with no proof.

I want to start, but I'm scared.

Erika is most very likely Bern's sockpuppter / game piece Bern stand in

can someone give me a summary of the spoilers up to this point?

lets me realistic, if meta Beato "died" she'll surely be "revived" sooner or later

Bern is a fucking psycho lunatic in this game.

And Erika is the great troll on earth.

But yeah only the first twilight people and Hideyoshi dies and everyone else lives.

So OP is right, Ange gets her onii-chan. But at the same time everyone else is childless but Rudolf and Natsuhi will probably rot in federal jail for murder.

good times.

>>3143157

Yep, nobody dies in Blea - erm, Higur, em, that generic anima story.

Erika helps the Ushiromiya solve the riddle
but it is eventually Battler who finds the gold

damnit... Gaap is still very annoying

Man, Bernkastel is a real bitch.

>>3143196
The second twilight happens as well

I don't even know what's going on anymore, guess I'll just have to trust some of these anons on /jp/ to not troll us.

>>3143157
>if meta Beato "died" she'll surely be "revived"

The issue here is she got her existence denied by Erika. So, unless this is all trolling, then there's not way Beato can show up again, unless she's believed in.

>>3143235

No, only Hideyoshi dies. It's implied Eva and him were the 2nd twilight, but Natsuhi fails to kill Eva before being caught.

Natsuhi is fail culprit.

>>3142389
It's more like Kinzo, Ronove, Gaap, Virgillia, the Stakes, and Battler team up

>>3143264
Battler accepts her as a part of himself

>Kinzo, Ronove, Gaap, Virgillia, the Stakes, and Battler team up

>>3143281
And they still can't beat the loli? Fucking Mary Sue.

Dead-inside moe long-hair Beatrice is fucking adorable.

>>3143307
They haven't fought yet, I think. They teamed up against Lambda I believe.

>>3143307
Well Erika does have Bern and 34 on her side

>>3143056
>Erika is not the culprit

Obviously, because Erika does not exist.

>There is only one single Erika

Sure, but Erika does not exist.


>Erika did not exist until the 5th game.

Sweet, but there's no such Erika.

Hell, that sure was difficult R07. What a challenge. I'm sweating here.

>>3143290
Yes, but he's not accepting her as a witch. Unless she's accepted as the Golden/Endless Witch Beatrice, she cannot show up again. That's what it means to be denied.

>>3143172
>Rudolf included
Wait, what?

>>3143314
I want to brush her hair.

>>3143342
You're epic, bro

>>3143379
OH GOD I DON'T KNOW WHAT SPOILERS TO TRUST ANYMORE

Have any of the other music albums been uploaded, so far? There are some tracks floating around on youtube, not no torrent or anything yet.

Vocal Happiness of Marionette sounds atrocious.

I'm currently playing the game.

Plot so far:

Kinzo died one year ago, but Krauss and the manor residence plot to hide this fact from the other siblings. They make it seem as if he is still living. Natsuhi takes Kinzo's death very hard.

Debt ridden Krauss has a mild nervous breakdown and starts rambling about Kinzo's hidden gold. Natsuhi urges him to wake up to reality with bad results.

Erika helps Battler solve the epitaph. He finds the gold. The adults have a goldgasm. They break into an argument over what to do with the gold.

During dinner time they receive a letter from Beatrice praising Battler and acknowledging him as the sole owner of all the gold and the Ushiromiya family sovereign. Krauss overhears this and is not happy.

First twilight happens. Genji, George, Jessica, Rosa, Maria die (FUCK YES! good ridance). All the blame seems to be on Rudolph's family.

>>3143336
Bern does things for the lulz anyway, you couldn't take her as a reliable ally.
I wonder when Battler will finally man up, bitch slap them, revive Beatrice and have hatesex with her.

>>3143402
Thanks for this, but why is Erika helping Gamepiece battler?

The way I see it Bern is just like Ryuk. She's just there to be entertained, she's not on anybody's side although she will help someone occasionally.

>>3143403
>revive Beatrice

Why would he do that? That'd be like pissing on Ange's grave.

>>3141950
How the hell would Ange get her brother back when HE IS STILL PLAYING THE GAME AS A WITCH!!?

>>3143402
I only see five choosen in the first twilight

>Beatrice praising Battler and acknowledging him as the sole owner of all the gold and the Ushiromiya family sovereign
>Rudolf lives
>Kyrie lives

Hot damn, piece Battler left this story arc a very lucky man.

>>3142098

had the same problem. But my friend, the solution is simple. You must delete the BGM file, the game installer misses 25mb worth of music. You'll need to winrar the iso file and copy the 650MB BGM file from it to your 07 expansion folder.

Meta-Erika just appeared in the Meta-World

She refers to Bernkastel as her master

>>3143457
Erika is the collection of bad end Rika

>>3143438

Huh... He doesn't need Beatrice to finish the game. Really, I won't read this episode anytime soon, but Battler is sounding very unsympathetic.

I suppose in the game itself there'll be a stronger emotional build up for his decision, but, logically, I just can't see how it might be justified.

>>3143472
Battler's game is against Beato

>>3143414

I'm not that far yet. I'm NOT sure whose side she is on.

>>3143480

But if Lambda can replace her than he could just continue against that new opponent. No need to try to bring back Beate and endanger more people's lives, especially after Erika shows that a radical anti-fantasy attitude can save lives.

>>3143491
Meta-Battler can only be set free if he beats Beato, Erika coming in and defeating her is bad for him

>>3143472
Just finished the game.

The buildup for Battler's decision, basically: First, Erika and Bernkastel are the embodiment of anti-fantasy, and are heartless monsters. Second, he gets more insight into the nature of magic, ie, "without love, it can't be seen." And third, what brings him to the breaking point, is that he finally realizes Beatrice's goal in playing that game was so Battler could realize the truth. He responds by breaking down bawling like a bitch, calling her an idiot for believing in him so much, and assumes the role of the new Golden Witch, swearing to take back he and Beato's game.

This episode seems to have much more red text and blue text than all previous episodes combined, but that's only my impression after skimming through.

>>3143524
Oh yeah, there's huge, ridiculous amounts of it. There were three, probably four huge red vs blue texts battles spread throughout, plus the one at the very end with Witch Battler versus Erika, which introduced Golden Truth.

>>3143549
>which introduced Golden Truth.
Ah, that. And what was that exactly? How does it work? I don't really know because all I did was hold ctrl the whole time, can't read japanese at all.

>Second, he gets more insight into the nature of magic, ie, "without love, it can't be seen." And third, what brings him to the breaking point, is that he finally realizes Beatrice's goal in playing that game was so Battler could realize the truth. He responds by breaking down bawling like a bitch, calling her an idiot for believing in him so much, and assumes the role of the new Golden Witch, swearing to take back he and Beato's game.

Battler x Beatrice confirmed.

>>3143557
Golden Truth is only usable by the Game Master, and has the power to repel both red and blue truth, from what I gathered.

>>3143513

Way to piss on Ange's grave, Battler.

>>3143549
>>3143513

Golden Witch Battler? Golden Truth? What?

>>3143566
Beatrice is much better than Ange.

>>3143557
There was only one line of it... it's basically something that's unchangeable

>>3143565
There was only one line in gold, right? What was it?

>>3143570
Battler only whips out Golden Truth once in his last battle against Erika, which makes Bern and Lambda scramble for the rulebook, where they reveal >>3143565

>>3143566
Bernkastel was the one to use Ange as her pawn anyway.

>>3143581
>>3143565
>>3143557

Oh and Battler is the GM of the next game

So Battler's going to be saying "Witches exist, I don't believe in that logic crap!" from now on?

>>3143513

Huh? But, if he can beat Lambda, wouldn't the game end anyway? I'm not saying he should just let Erika do everything.

>>3143504
>And third, what brings him to the breaking point, is that he finally realizes Beatrice's goal in playing that game was so Battler could realize the truth. He responds by breaking down bawling like a bitch, calling her an idiot for believing in him so much, and assumes the role of the new Golden Witch, swearing to take back he and Beato's game.

I'm not liking that one bit. He's basically prolonging the game and letting more people die. But, because he has an emotive reason, he's considered morally superior to the one that has actually done a decent job.

Oh, well, here's hoping the ending will be "bittersweet" with our new evil Battler disappearing alongside his loved one.

>>3143402
That's only 5, who else died on the 1st twilight aside from Genji, George, Jessica, Rosa, and Maria. And if Hideyoshi was half of the 2nd twilight, who is alive at the end of the game?

this VN goes in a more bizaar direction every episode, I predict Battlers ever twin brother joins next game and starts hitting on Maria

Wait what? So he becomes a witch now and gets all of Beatrices powers?
I thought the Stakes died alongside Beatrice? What about Virgilia and Eva Beatrice?

>>3143617
Battler's new objective is rebirth of Beato

>>3143624
>who is alive at the end of the game?
Nearly everyone is alive. Only ones dead are Krauss, Jessica, Hideyoshi, George, Genji, Rosa and Maria.

>>3143096
So does that mean that Lambdadelta is the villain and has actually appeared in the game?

>>3143625
Meta world Battler is a fake.

>>3143626
>Eva Beatrice?
Not seen for the entire game. Virgilia, Ronove, Stakes, etc are still fine. Only Beato dies.

Bronove has a very GAR scene.

This game is different. The stakes do not seem to be involved. In fact they're quite surprised with the murders.

>>3143626
He now has Ronove, Gaap, Lia, and the stakes on his side

>>3143625
>I predict Battlers ever twin brother joins next game and starts hitting on Maria
I hope so. Someone better start hitting on Maria.

So Shannon = Kanon crossdressing was buried into the ground, wasn't it? I saw plenty of scenes where Battler saw them both together.

Unless it was true for previous games but not true for ep5.

>>3143636
So Krauss was the other 1st twilight? So now, Kinzo, Natsuhi, Nanjo, Eva, Rudolf, Kyrie, Battler, Shannon, Kanon, Gohda, and Kumasawa are alive for once, but then what?

>>3143646
Is she dead for good without a chance of getting back or dead?

>>3143658

Shannon = Kanon theory is dead. EP 5 is the first time Battler sees them at the same time together without anti-mystery scene. They're both different people.

>>3143660
When Seagulls Cry, only 11 are left alive????

What the fuck?

>>3143621
Battler isn't portrayed as evil in the slightest. Erika and Bernkastel are both sadistic, over-the-top evil. It is heavily implied that the anti-fantasy conclusion they came to was wrong, and it was obvious and Lambda and Bern planned on continuing the game by themselves. They were gloating at Battler at how they had wrested he and Beato's precious game from them.

Battler wants to help the person--Beatrice--who had been helping him the whole time, he was just too much of an idiot to realize that was what was happening the past four arcs.

>>3143660
>but then what?
Dunno. The rest of the day is pretty much skipped and it goes right to cluster fuck text battles. Maybe someone who actually knows Japanese can elaborate.

>>3143652
>Lia
Who?

>>3143660
>but then what?
Dunno. The rest of the day is pretty much skipped and it goes right to cluster fuck magic battles. Maybe someone who actually knows Japanese can elaborate.

>>3143674
No, Battler has the intention of reviving her so he can continue their game.

>>3143681
>Battler wants to help the person--Beatrice--who had been helping him the whole time, he was just too much of an idiot to realize that was what was happening the past four arcs.
How was Beatrice helping him?

>>3143660
Gramps is still dead. Every game.

>>3143674
She's a part of Battler, the only thing stopping him from bringing her back is Erika

>>3143681
Suddenly rage building up.

>>3143686
He means VirgiLIA I think. No new character is introduced by that name. Only those new furniture under Erika and Erika herself.

>>3143686
Virgilia

>>3143698
She opened the game to him to give him a chance to realize the truth. If you look back, Beatrice has pulled back and remotivated Battler through anger every time it seems like he's about to give up, and she and her furniture have been providing him with constant clues through the red truth along with several free crash courses in logic, which Battler also realizes.

>>3143681
>Battler wants to help the person--Beatrice--who had been helping him the whole time, he was just too much of an idiot to realize that was what was happening the past four arcs.

;__________________________:


>>3143686
Virgilia, learn to Gaap.

>>3143709
So, is anti-fantasy wrong?

I can't wait until it's revealed that Beato only pretended to help Battler because she knew Erika would come eventually to kill her, thus convincing Battler to revive her.


JUST AS PLANNED

Is any light shed onto the nature of the games and why there are multiple of them and what will happen if Battler wins?

Beatrice = a split personality of Battler is apparently confirmed? How so? And how did he come to invent her?

>>3143725
Extreme anti-fantasy is wrong. Erika is a Mary Sue, but this is completely deliberate on Ryukishi's part. She and Bern are completely despicable, heartless, and condescending as they argue anti-fantasy.

>>3143743
No, it's not. Nothing in the game implied to me at all that Beatrice was a split personality. Some people might be speculating that, I guess.

>>3143743
He wanted to run away from his sin so he created her to take the blame

>>3143751
So Natsuhi is the killer this game, right? What were those scenes where she was talking to Beatrice all about? How did it start?

>>3143761
This is just speculation

>>3143751
Something tells me I'm going to RAGE uncontrollably once I see Erika and Bern talk

so do they say what beatrices last red is before she "died" in episode 4 was or is it just being saved for the last LOLITROLLU

>>3143726
Where's my lovey dovey Battler x Beato end?

>>3143778
It hasn't been solved.

So what was the answer to the epitaph?

Sounds like this episode raised more questions than it answered.

>>3143782

Their hatesex would be god-tier.

>>3143766
Erika and Bern pin Natsuhi as the killer as their "anti-fantasy" argument, but Battler believes to the very end that they're wrong and argues against it several times through the arc. Bern rips Natsuhi's heart out while trying to 'prove' her as the killer and stomps on it for lulz.

Natsuhi talking to Beatrice was in her head as a coping mechanism, just like Kinzo.

>>3143795
As Ryukishi said it might

JUST AS PLANNED

>>3143799
So was she actually the culprit or did they try to use her as a scapegoat?

>>3143681
>Battler isn't portrayed as evil in the slightest.

THAT is what is annoying me about this situation. From a logical standpoint, he's evil right now, but the story clearly isn't going in that direction, using an emotive point of view to draw sympathy to this egoistic decision.

He should just try to beat Lambda to stop this game, not worry about Beatrice, who started this game in the first place.

>It is heavily implied that the anti-fantasy conclusion they came to was wrong, and it was obvious and Lambda and Bern planned on continuing the game by themselves.

Sure, but Erika/Bern still saved lives, something that Battler hasn't done. Who cares if they're unsympathetic. I didn't like Meta Battler's stupidity in episode 3 and I'm not liking this here, but it's clear that the narrative is supporting him based on these reports.

That's why I said the best I can hope for is a bittersweet ending for him.

>>3143782
This image makes me wonder what Beatrice's breath smells like.

Is that weird? Pic maybe related.

Also, if anyone DLed the new music, 約束（ボーカル） is what plays as Battler realizes Beatrice was trying to help him the whole time and breaks down because of it.

>>3143807
That's probably unsaid, as usual.

>>3143807
Technically left open, but heavily implied scapegoat.

>>3143624

Krauss

>>3143795
That's because it's Umineko Chiru, not Umineko Kai.

>>3143808
>He should just try to beat Lambda to stop this game, not worry about Beatrice, who started this game in the first place.

She started the game to help him. It's only natural he'd want to help her once he realised this much.

>>3143825
What motive did they use?

Do anyone have screencaps of that so called golden truth?

So if this Golden truth was introduced, that means the Red isn't as absolute as we thought, right?

>>3143831

It isn't natural if you consider that this game is just resulting in more deaths.

>>3143840
I didn't save during the ????? section and shit is looooong, so give me a minute.

What did Battler actually say in the golden truth?

>>3143799
>Bern rips Natsuhi's heart out while trying to 'prove' her as the killer and stomps on it for lulz
What...the fuck Bern...

To those who've played it, how was it? Better than 3 and 4?

>>3143848
Battler is now of the mindset of "who cares, they'll be revived anyway"

>>3143868
First half was pretty meh mixed with huh???, second half was pretty much a nonstop avalanche of OH SHIT OH SHIT OH FUUUUUUUUCK MEEEEEEEEE adrenaline rush awesome.

Still to incoherent to rank, sorry.

>>3143862
I am your father

>Bern rips Natsuhi's heart out and stomps on it
/r/ing a version of this for that

>>3143866
>>3143887
I didn't mean that literally, sorry.

>>3143892
I lol'd.

>>3143848
>It isn't natural if you consider that this game is just resulting in more deaths.

It'd be the same either way. Lamda's game would have repeated in the same fashion. Beato opening the game meant Battler could now do something about it.

>>3143892
Oh...

>>3143926
OH SHI-

>>3143926
...so what does it say?

>>3143914

I know that, but Battler is just dragging on the game longer than necessary by trying to bring back Beatrice.

>>3143926
T....translation please?

>>3143926

Now to know what's being said there.

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>>3143926

Quoting it because everyone else is doing it.

Translation? I don't understand a thing about japanese (Saves me from being spoiled by screenshots) But I want to know what was said.

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>>3143969
That surely isn't the translation.

>>3143785
cool so ill just expect everything that happens in the next 2-3 episodes to be undone when beatrice decides to troll again

So what i gather here is that when the original murders happened, Beatrice wanted to give Battler a chance to solve the crime instead of just letting everybody die, so she brought him to the meta-world?

Roughly, "I confirm this corpse is the corpse of Kinzo Ushiromiya."

>>3143984
What do you know? You're just a baka.

>>3143997
That's it?

>>3143993
Beato is Battler's Hanyu

>>3143997
So Erika was trying to deny that? Why?

>>3143997
It's confirmed, the Kinzo/Battler team involves Battler wheeling Kinzo's corpse around in a wheelchair.

>>3143948
That's irrelevant. He's the one who's playing. In the end, he will have his own definition of victory and defeat. Him not ending the game means that going back to his family is no longer his only priority.

>>3144028
That'd be epic.

how many godamn Rika spin-offs do they need?
milking the moe-cow.

So what was this all about?

>>3144040
Rika has no tits. She cannot be a cow.

>>3144050
So that's what this is all about.

>>3144041
Looks pretty important. A list of mysteries, perhaps?

>>3144075
From what I could gather, each thing on the list is denied in turn by Erika.

>>3144041
When Natsuhi was on 'trial', that was a checklist of possible alibis for her that Bern, Erika, and their furniture systematically shot down one by one.

>>3144029

Sure. That's my point.

He isn't "good" anymore, he isn't just attempting to uncover the truth and return to his world. However, the narrative will continue to show him in a positive light due to his emotive reasons for prolonging the game, even though repeating those events just means that more people will die.

So what, text in gold becomes absolute truth even if it wasn't originally?

>>3144084
And despite all that it seems like she really wasn't the culprit?

meta erika does not forgive!

erika: cornelia get up
cornelia: .... :: stands up::
erika: ::kicks down cornelia::

erika: cornelia get up
cornelia: .... :: stands up::
erika: ::kicks down cornelia::

erika: cornelia get up
cornelia: .... :: stands up::
erika: ::kicks down cornelia::

erika: cornelia get up
cornelia: .... :: stands up::
erika: ::kicks down cornelia::

and on, and on..

Is the Red NOT the absolute truth? I'm so confused....

>>3144094
Well, just because she has no alibi doesn't necessarily mean that she's the culprit after all.

>>3144100
The red is still used after the golden truth comes into play. I assume it's still the truth. Someone needs to explain exactly how it works

>>3144100
Red was the truth, but could be combated with other red truths. For instance, "There are no more than 18 people on this island!" was combated with "There are no more than 17 people on this island!"

They're both the truth, but the second one "updated" the first.

>>3144100
It's like a zone of truth in D&D.

>>3144106
Do the others come to believe Natsuhi is the culprit, on the game board?

>>3144108
Red: "Battler is incompetent." would mean Battler is incompetent at the time?
Gold: "Battler is incompetent." would mean Battler is incompetent, now and forever, unchangeable and absolute?

>>3144108
golden truth is truth that doesn't have any evidence to back it up

What exactly was Beatrice trying to help Battler realize yet he didn't notice?

>>3144110
Red can only eliminate obscuration from red truths. "There are no more than 18 people on the island." is true, as is "There are no more than 17 people on the island."

One does not invalidate the other in the least.

If I have three pennies, and I say I do not have more than 5, I have not told a lie. I have told the truth. But I obscure the fact that I don't necessarily have 5 pennies, just because I don't have more than 5.

>>3144135
To not give up

>>3144119
Yes.

>>3143513

>>3144135
According to these guys, she was trying to help him realize the truth. As in, the truth behind all the murders.

>>3144140
Ah, so the Gold is just a more "clear" version of the Red.

I don't like these Iron Maidens.
Siestas and Stakes for me.

>>3143926
So why did they find it necessary to reconfirm that Kinzo was dead?

>>3144171
I don't like any of them.

Bronove is the only furniture I like.

>>3144175
No they just found his actual corpse

What happens at the very start of the game? Because it seems like dead-inside Beato appears very early.

>>3144171
They seem pretty cool to me, especially the crazy one. Guess I'll find out when I play the game.

>>3144186
Where was it?

>>3143997
Confirming this; one of my parents can read the moonrunes, so I /r/ed a translation.

>>3144194
In the chapel

>>3144214
what a tweest!

>>3144214
Does that mean his real corpse is in the chapel in all games?

>>3144202
I am disappoint.

Is the answer to the epitaph actually revealed and the location of the gold disclosed, or does it happen similar to episode 3?

>>3144233
Same location
>>3144223
Not sure

I have a question. I've heard this would be the last episode (5). Is that true? Or will there be more of Umineko?

I really hope this wasn't the last since I am addicted to it =/

Is the .iso on TT the real deal?

>>3144273
No. 8 games isn't it?

>>3144273

Definetly Not.

So Erika has furniture (meaning she has magic powers) and still interacts with people and even with Battler.

Seeing this from the anti-fantasy side makes this EP nothing but a dream or ilusion.
Im confus....

>>3144273
Yeah, the final episode ends on a cliffhanger. Makes perfect sense.

>>3144293
I don't know about that, but iso on bots in #c76 on Rizon is real.

>>3144330
Wait, piece battler actually sees her furniture?

>>3144344
>piece battler actually sees her furniture

If you know what I mean

>>3144344
No. He sees her, though.

New thread
>>3144363

>>3144344
No, but he sees Erika
on the game board
talking IN FUCKING RED

Thx for the answers =D

Haven't read epi. 5 until now so I don't knew. *can't wait for the engl-patch*

>>3143799
>>Bern rips Natsuhi's heart out while trying to 'prove' her as the killer and stomps on it for lulz.

is this a metaphor or did Bern literally rip Natsuhi's heart out and stomp on it?

>>3143808
Calm down, this is a quest to find the truth not a good vs evil battle. Bern/Erika's truth is bullshit and Battler still has to find the real thing.

could someone post a real umineko ep 5 torrent
i cant find one

>>3144388
Does piece Battler mention the red?

Also,
>>should this be the way to write gold truth?

>>3144408
metaphor, sorry for the confusion

>>3144413
http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=80399