/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>31184032
Chinks ruined her

>>31184032
Who?

>>31184032
CCP shill

>>31184032
The only fan she had was an actual schizophrenic and then they sold her away to changs.

>>31184104
>>31184242
What the hell. Explain?

the vtuber market is extremely volatile

vtubers should consider refreshing their personas every now and then and dropping their old ones every time they begin to nosedive in popularity

she doesn't do meme reviews like a certain group

>>31184032
Tsukino Mito appeared. The way Nijisanji delivered their content (Livestreams with a 2D avatar), instead of what Ai-chan does (scripted videos with a 3D model), was cheaper, more viral and has more reach. A formula Hololive later copied and improved upon.

Also blame Takeshi and Soejima reluctance to allow Ai-chan to do collabs, then their "brilliant" idea to create 3 more (along with a mascot for the chinese), and they almost marginalized the original VA.

She's recovering from that, albeit slowly.

>>31184363
Lurk about the 4 Kizuna Ai, that's all the info you need.
>>31185869
She did meme reviews and pandered to Pewdiepie.

>>31184032
She didn't enable superchats.

>>31185413
>consider refreshing their personas every now and then and dropping their old ones
that was basically the reason of her downfall

Better than the holo thots

>>31186092
She is the Queen. Too bad her "Hello, World" event will be her last big thing before Gura takes from her the #1 spot

>>31185413
Newfriend, did you take your talking points from that Vice article? That's how Kizuna AI died lol

>>31184032
She's just a hollow shell now, she will never has as much soul again

>>31186889
Just watch her last streams and collabs, she regained her wholesomeness, but it's too late now

kizuna only will die when she gets surpassed by another vtuber in sub numbers

>>31184032
>old and busted

>>31186962
So gura will kill her?

>>31187152
The future is uncertain

>>31184032
Compared to most hololive girls she just feels too corporate constructed and not genuine enough, her videos seem scripted and she does not really open up to her audience

>>31186092
LOL

>>31187312
At this pace, that will be the case
>>31187363
so in other words, >>31185912

>>31187312
you mean inevitable

>>31184104
Chinks never did anything to her, though. They bought rights to have their own literal chinese knockoff Ai who practically never interacts with the main channel, and left the original alone. The clones were all home-grown nip suits being retarded.

It's one thing to repeat the same "original VA quit" lie, but thinking chinks did anything to her is another level of retarded.

did /jp/ ever really talk about her... i only remember people comparing view/sub numbers to luna and the OG niji

>>31187482
>i only remember people comparing view/sub numbers to luna and the OG niji
That's because you are a tourist that arrived after the Christmas Miracle. Ai-chan was the focal point of the threads back then.

I will never forgive upd8.

>>31187637
all i remember was that smug ai face

>>31187482
The original thread was called Kizuna Ai, then christmas happened and 2D streamers happened.
Look up 8798798798798.jpg filename in the archives.

>>31187755
None of this would have happened if you all listened to him

>>31188150
The 2D Hater was right and we didn't listen

>>31188150
He was a massive sperg, but in retrospect we should have listened to him

>>31185966
>She did meme reviews and pandered to Pewdiepie.
if we could just replace all the shitty let's players with low iq japanese vtubers who do meme reviews and pander to pewdiepie the world would be a much better place

>>31185413
filthy vice article reading anon

>pewdiepie, the vtuber

>>31187755
not him but I appreciate this
aside from a few clips I saw in other places and art of vtubers I've saved before I knew who they were, I got into vtubers early this year so it's nice to see it's early history

>>31184032
A negative memory leaves a 100 times stronger impression than a positive one.
The day the suits decided to replace her soul and to dilute it they chose to create an impossible to erase negative memory associated with her forever. The fact that they kept going for one year like this just added more fuel to it and made the damage permanent.
It's impossible to salvage her without erasing the memory of her older fans.
Even making a new company with completely new avatars would not be enough to erase the trauma associated with her VA which would be revived each time she speaks...
The suits caused an incredible amount of damage to her career.
If she stops being Kizuna AI she will have nothing left.

How come people caused a massive shitstorm when she did an ahegao face in one of the thumbnails(pic not related) when Coco gets a free pass when she does it even when she drags other Holo members into doing it?

>>31196472
Cause holo fandom is made up of simps. Take a look at Nijisanji thread and then and then compare it to the Hololive threads.

>>31196472
Wasn't that happening at the time of the appearance of the fake VAs?
This was a way of the suits to prove they had absolute control of the Kizuna AI brand by forcing something against Nozomi's will.
Looking at the final result the shitstorm was more than deserved.

>Ai thread
>Nijifags can't stop crying about Hololive
For fucks sake get a girlfriend or something this is beyond pathetic.

>>31196625
I lurk both and the only difference is that Niji fanbase at least on /jp/ is extremely defensive and no-fun-allowed-y.

>>31196625
Aren't the Nijis themselves openly admitting they have relationships/ had sex etc? Yet people still give them money, sound like some chronic simping right there.

>>31196678
>more than deserved
not enough

I remember watching her short videos on youtube when she was still new and having a laugh. Now this whole vtuber meme exploded and every vtuber streams for hours and I personally don't have the time or interest to sit through a several hour video just to hope to find something I can get a chuckle out of

>>31196704
Do you really think i would be here if i could just get a girlfriend?

my queen

>>31201992
Yes. You'd probably stay away for awhile but you'd be back eventually. You can take the weeb out of /jp/ but you can't take /jp/ out of the weeb.

>>31185413
Yeah that's working at really good for her, oh wait it isn't...

stop taking your advice from VICE

best of butt

>>31184032
There is already another vtuber who has a lot of dead subs, they are known as gawr gura.

>>31187152
Easily, in 1-2 months.

>>31207298
What happened to her, Hinata and especially Luna?
I saw Hinata in a couple of Hololive streams but she's nowhere near as popular as she was back then and I think she's making videos with some blue haired girl, but it seems like she faded into complete obscurity.

Because scripted videos are boring and require real content. Her management fucked up real hard.

The main reason Hololive became popular is clippable memes. Lots of clips easily can overflow your youtube recommendations. Kizuna had very few clippable moments.

It's funny because even after 2 years Kizuna Ai still got one of the best rig and model animations among vtubers.

>>31207445
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzQMFzD6uo0

>>31207445
Siro and Hinata have collabed with Ai on her gaming channel a couple times recently. I never really watched Siro, and Hinata has always taken it easy. Luna was never really reliable on when she'd upload anything, basically she does what she wants. At some point she came in saying she's back and she'll be uploading stuff and promptly fucked off again. She probably has other projects.

>>31207611
>Because scripted videos are boring
>Prefers boring long hourstreams that get clipped for like a minute in another channel
The clips are just baits to make people want to watch the streams.

>>31207750
Does Luna still upload on her old channel?

>>31184032
she died and was replaced years ago

>>31187441
Thats the volatile "truth" most people bought and parrot to this day, that she was "bought up" by the chinese and the corp didn't want to depend on the VA.

>>31184032
I still like her. Cute, fun, gets credit for creating the industry. Like her simplicity, too many vtubers are this over-designed garbage.

>>31184032
old and used, we only watch Gura now.

>>31186516
>>31192573
>>31186516
>>31207140
text parsing bots

https://youtu.be/wPNt5MTFCvY

I'm honestly surprised she still has an audience after Nijisanji and Hololive blew up.

I really don't get vtubers or whatever, but I never minded Kizuna Ai~desu. It was popular, but also kind of its own sorta-niche thing in a way.

The current crop just feel more like regular streamers, and I get frustrated by how accessible they are and how everyone and their mothers on other forums/chatrooms seem to watch them, or Best Of clips or whatever like it's some Game Grumps shit.

I guess I miss her, but I probably just miss the whole thing being more like other semi-niche otaku stuff.

I still like Ai-chan. She might be a dinosaur and I might need to remind myself to watch her, but you could argue that she at least has a lock on her kind of format, which there must be *some* demand for.

>>31208616
Basically this. It loses a lot of it's appeal when there's a whole industry behind them.

>>31208992
Kizuna Ai had one of the most "industry" formats, though.

>>31208616
>>31208992
>Industry
This was them a year ago. They still constantly fuck up. It's kinda crazy that people think there's some amazing corporation behind Holos.

>tfw no train otaku vtuber
>tfw no military otaku vtuber
Fuck holos from locking the direction of vtubers to be only "idols and entertainers".

>>31200875
That's why clippers exist.

>>31209513
That is a really fucking dumb post

>>31209909
Not a brain dead as vtubers now. There is an entire gold mine to be made from vtubers. And holos ruin it by setting the standard. Educational vtubers could have been a thing.

>>31209909
Also, streaming is gay. Youtube is for videos not streams.

>>31209996
The more vtubers are normalised the more likely educational or niche train vtuber shit or whatever will actually be a success. Holos don't normalise shit

>>31208453
she just went from youtube to japanese tv

>>31210420
I've been meaning to ask since I'm a massive EoP, but is she doing better in the JOP sphere than on Youtube? I saw she recently had a TV apperance, so it can't just be double digits k viewers on Youtube.

>>31209158
When the fuck was that screenshot taken, 2 years ago?

>>31210585
learn to read

>>31210321
>Oversaturation = higher chance of popularity
>Implying Cover wont pull a monopoly

>>31211187
>Oversaturation = higher chance of popularity
You'd see chuubas relying on standing out from the crowd more often as opposed to just being gaming/singing/ASMR channels.
>Implying Cover wont pull a monopoly
Retardchama, they don't own the platforms they stream on, and they aren't even #1 in terms of merch sales.

>>31207445
Hinata continues to upload contents normally. Her early success was relying on the FPS videos that hired a pro player and create videos like she played them. The staff stopped using the trick and she's now a normal corporate 3D type Vtuber most of whom are struggling now.
>>31207901
Actively. You can call the channel the most famous one in Japan looking at the views. Luna project fundamentally lacked the way to continue and failed.

>>31196472
Wasn't it because that was made by one of clones and therefore "was defacing the meaning behind Kizuna Ai"?

Upd8:
>refused to allow on-channel interaction with any of the other vtubers
>forced an interview with a literal criminal
>created a vtuber network that didn't ever do anything together, none of the others were allowed to play with AI
>loses Okakoro and Nobuhime to Hololive, and who knows however many others out of sheer fucking incompetence
>did a defective product new years concert while the other vtubers were having a big celebration together
>snubbed an appearance on the (admittedly shitty) TV anime
>does the same new years thing the next year
>chooses of their own accord to hire extra VAs
>loses $6.6M USD in a single quarter
Everybody, including China, fucking hated the AI clones. Suits being suits was what caused the retarded decisions that made this hilarious company implode, take meds etc.

>>31209602
Yeah, that's what I usually go to. Either that or open up an archived stream and just hop through some timestamped stuff in the comments. For some reason the general threads here have some vendetta or something against clippers and "clipwatchers" though.

>>31215540
Just retards who think that sitting through the whole stream somehow give them the purest experience when I'm sure that 95% of those posters don't even understand what the Vtubers were saying. Which is why there are so many numberfags in those threads because it's the only thing that they actually understand.

>>31186962
You people are retarded. That's not how youtube works. She will retain her fanbase. There's a shitton of youtubers who've stagnated but still see decent numbers. I'm guessing you guys are probably underaged, but that shouldn't be an excuse for you to be retarded.

>>31185912

Thoughtful anwser, thanks anon

I don't understand any of the 2020 vtuber fad.
Kizuna is pretty funny so she gets a pass.

>>31217089
I mean it's getting gayer and gayer every year, we now have western Vtubers

>>31209096
Industry might have been the wrong word.

>>31209158
Like just look at this. Almost 30 before they even blew up. That's ridiculous.

>>31211187
>>31211499
Cover is DUMB

>>31217089
Hololive ones act like wannabe idols. But ye Kizuna random and broken which made her likable and funny.

>>31192447
fuck no you fucking chink
>corporate sellouts don't understand kizuna ai
>hire a replacement
>people confused about new voice actor
>everybody downvotes and leaves

>>31210525
She's been on NHK and is the most widely known vtuber in Japan. Then you combine that with her idol activities, advertisement deals, and the bits of actual government work for tourism she's done pretty well for herself. It's mostly mismanagement with upd8 and lack of time to go full streaming that she's not bigger.

I'm happy she's more free now and doing collabs with the older heads of the scene. Looking forward to her live in a few days.

I love Ai-chan but her formula is stale. She can hardly be called a vtuber anymore unless she starts doing live utawakus and talks with fans instead of skits. Vtubers are now about direct fanbase interaction just like streamers instead of the PewDiePie reaction style of YouTubers. I understand that is AI's idea so she's doing what she loves and that's alright because numberfagging is retarded anyway, I'll always love her for who she is. Also upd8 made a mistake by creating AI clones with the multiple Kizuna project which confused many fans. They were trying a new direction and a lot of fans got the wrong idea that AI was getting replaced or that they sold out to China for some reason. At the time I guess it seemed like an interesting idea but it failed.

>>31184032
She's not very good at games and her content is split between two channels. She should at least consolidate to her original channel.

>>31230992
>and talks with fans
https://youtu.be/AU6G24LFpOI
literally live right now doing exactly that. This is the third time she's taken direct calls from fans live.

>>31230992
sorry, still prefer proper youtube videos instead of donation farming streams

>>31209158
Don't see them fucking up anymore, they were an upcoming indie company with no big company backing them, it took some luck and patience but they made it big. Reminds me of AKB48 that was experimenting early on and bombing for years but eventually made it big suddenly. Not surprising since the CEO of Cover (Hololive) is a fan of idols and has reference AKB48.

>>31184032
I get real sad when I tune into her streams and see low viewer count with a chat filled with nothing but spics and occasional Japanese members
I still like watching her skit videos though

>>31241807
She sold out. She got what she deserved.

>>31242105
How did she sell out? Do you seriously think she had any say on what was done with her character at the time lol

>>31242194
>Do you seriously think
anons who posts like that generally do not think.

>>31241807
she wasnt a streamer to begin with anyway? FoodWishes has 3.8mil subs and streams only in triple digit numbers. The current vtuber culture emphasizing stream numbers is so dumb

>>31242335
Her typical content gets a fraction of what it used to as well

>>31208616
>It was popular, but also kind of its own sorta-niche thing in a way.
Just like Hololive rn

> everyone and their mothers on other forums/chatrooms seem to watch them
What kind of nerd bubble do you live in?

>>31210585
Yonkisei is already there, but they don't have many subs, so it must be from the beginning of 2020.

>>31217883
> Like just look at this. Almost 30 before they even blew up. That's ridiculous.
You need better bait, desperate contrarian-kun

>>31187441
don't think
chinks bad
US media tells me so, it must be true

>>31197756
She's not going to fuck you anon.

>>31241712
> YAGOO is an idolfan
Got some sauce with that narrative?

>>31197756
It's almost as if people don't see them as their girlfriends.

Mentally healthy people don't sperg out when they learn people have sex, anon.

>>31243836
People become more mature when they play roguelikes. Thus the public necessity for roguelike v-tubers.

>>31184032
you should put it in the title so the aifags can find the thread

>>31184032
I still believe she is the cutest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2oCV2sM_ig

>>31243600
Your social credit score has gone up by 2 points

>>31230992
>Vtubers are now about direct fanbase interaction
Translation: Vtubers are now about farming donations from braindead simps seeking attention from a surrogate girlfriend.

>>31256543
Thats just hololive
Watch actual vtubers like Himehina

>>31207298
I can't belive Yua is still making vidoes. She typically gets sub 5k views. Honestly sad.

>>31257181
More pictures like this

I admire that she still seems to be trying different things.

I like how she tries a variety of things instead of playing the same games with low effort for hours and hours.

I wish more people would give her a 2nd chance. I'm a huge hololive fan but sometimes I get that vtuber itch but don't feel like watching a multiple hours long stream. So I go to Ai-chan's channel and watch her short form videos. Her content is still really good.

For the music side of things she still pumps out more quality music than just about any vtuber and the actual music videos themselves are in a league of their own. I can't wait for her concert coming up.

>>31243776
His interview?

>>31243600
>Do not learn mandarin.txt
Back under the golden shield, wumao.

>>31259815
Which is essential because the over-saturated market makes life hard for the VA and the staff to move on.

>>31256543
>attention from a surrogate girlfriend.
This is our future, anon. Just embrace it slightly earlier.

>>31184032
Old news

>>31259815
Yeah. That's something I always liked about her content. The short length and variety made her stuff easy to watch.

>>31196341
>A negative memory leaves a 100 times stronger impression than a positive one.
All human relationships would dissolve if this were true. But I think it might be, for parasocial relationships.

>>31215273
Pretty much this. Ai's fate was hubris and richly deserved on the part of her handlers. Ai herself did nothing wrong, however.

Are you going to rewatch her first live concert together with her in an hour?
https://youtu.be/Zal0tL2Ldqk

>>31243776
Narrative? He straight up says it in an interview. He wanted to make his own idol group but with Vtubers.

>>31256543
No different than real live idols, guess Yagoo succeed.

>>31243600

This dork is so shamelessly in love with herself.

What's the appeal of Pekora? Tuned in to her stream and watched her bash a crate which had a durability of 10000 with a wrench for 10 minutes before she decided to end the stream.

>>31184032
she's too mainstream now

>>31256543
They can milk it until it is all automated, then only cream of the crop will survive.

>>31287808
And that's cute. Looking forward to live at 29th.

>>31291861
I wish I wasnt a poorfag

>>31284439
Coasting on your own popularity and never innovating is the thing that was done wrong. When competitors first started streaming, that should've been an immediate warning that scripted videos were going to die out like they did for non-virtual gaming youtubers, failing to adapt like the rest of the old guard is largely why they're fading out.
Ai was clearly able to get what she wanted when she hosted that big spontaneous Mario Kart tournament. Being able to decide what you want to do is what really helped Holo/Nij, and if you can't do that then you might as well stay in voice acting.

>>31256595
It's criminal how little recognition those two loveable idiots get.

>>31292157
Anon, the concert is free. As a fellow poorfag it makes me incerdibly happy.
https://2020hello.world/en/

>>31243600
This but unironically, they're actively trying to push their shit into the vchuuba industry with the new rules

>>31293966
>Being able to decide what you want to do is what really helped Holo/Nij
What? Doing exactly what everyone else is doing all the time? The only people who actually do something different from every other 2d liver is the "family" that Himewari is in with their occasional 3d get togethers, which i'll admit have been a fucking blast, but for everyone else its a series of game bandwagoning, "Collabs" where its just a group of people playing together.

Ai-chin has regularly set a standard for various things related to vtubers, including being a vtuber itself. Live streams, skits, 3d modeling, live venue concerts, commercials, interworld business interactions, voice acting AS a vtuber (not her seiyuu, Ai-chan herself), producing an album, Q&A, Live call ins with fans. If theres ONE thing Ai-chan does better than anyone in the scene, its try new shit. Just because it isn't always successful doesn't mean it isn't innovating. Ai-chan is an example of everything a vtuber COULD do, not what they SHOULD do, she can leave that to everyone else.

If you take a look at her old videos you'll realize that she never had that much viewers. Her 1.5m celebration video has 160K views. There's plenty of weird spots where she has sub-100k videos between videos that have 200-300k views. My guess is that they just buy less ads nowadays.
Her songs and covers still get high views, even if it's because of people listening to them several times.
She's not milking SCs because her company is using a different business model, so she has less incentive to livestream

>>31303528
And to add on, a DJ.

>>31184032
I'm sorry... Who???

>>31210046
"This is so gay"... Dude that insult is so ancient. Are you over 45?

>>31243600

>>31303528
I didn't know they still paid you to make these posts
Sorry it's not working out for metrics though

>>31305086
Word to the wise, remember Pearl Harbor

>>31304233
fuck off faggot

>>31185413
It's not really. Ai was just one of the first successful ones, and during a time when they weren't booming and were acting quite differently

>>31304233
Faggots not welcomed

>>31209513
Then became one yourself.

>>31305086
not sure if sarcasm or schizoid

>>31184104
God damn I can't wait for the Chinese to finally kill off you yank parasites.
Two towers weren't enough.

>>31305166
Call me when she gets on tv.

https://youtu.be/ibBpKrswtyU

>>31317474
If there's one thing that you can bet on it's Chinese schizophrenia