/jp/ - Otaku Culture

seconded

The economy is a bit broken at this point. The combat system is actually quite cool compared to other MMOs.
You're also right about the gaiafags, sadly.

Hence why we all moved to a better MMO.

pic related

>>3119197
still closed, damn i want to try that game !

The combat system is a good idea in theory but complete shit in practice.

Rather than real-time point and click with skills, it's rock paper scissors point and click with an insanely steep difficulty curve and only one means of mob control.

The massive hitboxes make it impossible to do anything but try to time every skill perfectly, which may seem cool at first but becomes horribly frustrating, and it forces you to grind without getting actual benefit out of it, as even the strongest characters get ohe-shotted by mid-tier monsters.

Everything else about the game is good, but the combat is broken.

[]MMO
[]Good economy
Choose 1

There are some great things about it (playing touhou music in the town square) but the fact that the game is broken in a way that makes it obscenely difficult, as well as everything being absurdly expensive, really negates that.

another bad thing is that it is universally hailed as the BEST MMO IN EXISTENCE when it's mediocre at best

agreed that the combat is a joke

>>3119211
Combat isn't rock-paper-scissors.

The combat flowchart is something along the lines of: "Hey, there's a monster!" -> Windmill until it dies.

The thing that REALLY annoyed me was how lag really screwed you over in this game, moreso than any other MMO I've played.

/jp/ - causals.

The only thing truly bad about mabi's system is that it's made for super fast asian connections and lag drags it down.

I really wish SMT imagine didn't suck.

Aion is pretty good I hear.

>>3119246
Oh god, stop this viral.
Aion is just another korean mmorpg with prettier graphic.

>>3119242
>implying that just because you're good at a broken system doesn't make it broken

>>3119246
stop viraling that shitty wow clone.

>>3119220

>>3119246
I'm playing the Korean beta atm.

Apart from the better than wow pvp, ( pvpve isn't all it's cracked up to be ) with badly balanced classes ( the second best healer class is hailed as the main healer of the game, as the healing prioritiser is overkill. ), dps classes can be ranked easily and all pve is essentially tank and spank.

Graphics are creamin' though.
fanbase is shit^10

The only MMORPG I have ever played is RO, and it's pr-
wait no
I'll try playing DFO when the open beta comes around, so nevermind.
Still, besides the ability to be a little girl and Nao's boobs, I don't see what's so good about Mabinogi.

>>3119270
If it were broken, it would be broken for everyone. Most people are just butthurt they will die in 2 hits(and so will their opponent), instead of having drawn out battles in RO where their sinx hits something 100 times a second for 50damage crits while spamming potions until the creature finally dies later on.

I will further admit some hitboxes on larger enemies are fucked and making them switch aggro so much was a bad design choice though.

But seriously, you might die in two hits, but you can also solo a boss and never take any damage.

>>3119287
Play ECO when it hits OB, it's basically 3D RO.

>>3119268
>>3119271
Calm down you fagfaces, Aion is popular because it has a REASON to be popular, just like WoW does. They're both made by huge companies with a lot of money, so clearly they're going to be more polished than generic Korean shit. I'm sure you trolls have never even played MMOs before.

>>3119287
>the ability to be a little girl

This is the reason for most mmos /jp/plays, >>3119197 included.

>>3119305
Goddamnit, we already had this thread a few hours ago.

Mabinogi was fucking fun when it first started. I haven't played it in over a year so I dunno how it is now but I had a blast in the beginning.

>>3119294

The real problem with the game is the absolutely zero margin for error it gives, which stems from the fact that you can die in one hit, and it is really hard to avoid being hit without a skill loaded.

I don't mind challenge, but I do mind steep learning curves. And when I say "steep" I mean "Monster Hunter is a fucking E-rated platformer compared to this shit"

>>3119294
Wait, how do you solo the dragon without taking any damage?

[ ] MMO game
[ ] Good onlne community

Choose one

I never find grinding enjoyable.

>>3119319

Hotglue was ballin'

>>3119327
>[ ] Good online community

This choice is never available, regardless of what game you're playing.

>>3119324
Dungeon bosses, not field/storyline bosses which are made for multiple people.

>>3119346
Even an online community of only Nobel Peace Prize winners will devolve to shit.

>>3119346
>[ ] Good online community

>This choice is never available
fixed

>>3119353
If there's a chat, yes.

>>3119334

fuck year

I still think about playing the game every once in a while, but it sounds like it went to shit recently. But I'll never forget my time with hotglue.

>>3119352
Until people finished boss Trials

Im sure that modding was involved though

>>3119368
Youki was such a nice guy. Too bad he didn't like our bear kiting shenanigans.

>>3119368
Eirin, I missed you. ;A;

Its fun

>>3119368
It was already pretty shit when I replayed it at the end of last year.

It sort of got better when the whole ELVES AND GIANTS expansion came out, but that got boring after a couple days.
Shit's not worth playing anymore.

get this korean shit off /jp/

>>3119402
U mad?

>>3119176
Hey there, I'm a long-time player of mabinogi, I've been playing since the first day of open beta, after the FilePlanet exclusive day.

I play Kirisa on the Ruairi server and, recently, the Alexina server.

You're pretty much spot-on, though I very much have to disagree about the combat system. You didn't pay attention to the NPCs during your tutorial newbie time, did you? They literally tell you everything you need to know.

After learning, you're then expected to take the knowledge and apply it during live combat practice against the "trashy" enemies around Tir Chonaill. The game is still quite forgiving at this point; even to newbies. Mistakes are expected; you're still new. It's okay to get knocked-out.

But the most important part is to recognize how you screwed up, and what you can do to avoid that situation in the future.

>>3119411
>how you screwed up

"Did you use Windmill?"
"No."
"You screwed up."

>>3119434
To be fair, windmill spam only works when you've ranked it up a bit.

>>3119411
so i herd u like archers

>>3119411
It's okay to not like the combat system. It really isn't for everyone, and that's perfectly okay. It is certainly not fundamentally broken. (at least, in terms of PvE. PvP is a complete mess.)

And yes, lag can be an issue, but I find that after disabling the Nagle Algorithm, the only "lag" issues I have these days are the times when the servers themselves are lagging so hard that mobs don't spawn in dungeons for up to 10 minutes. I play from East Coast US, and your location will definitely make a difference. I have a friend who plays from Australia and has roughly the same quality of connection as I got.

In any case, the system wasn't designed for any player to sit there and tank without preparing for the attack. It just isn't possible. But getting hit like that is always something to be avoided at all times. On the other hand, in the event you ARE using the Defense skill, along with a shield, and you're still finding yourself dying too fast...well..this isn't a problem with the game. It's a problem with your character. You should not expect to use Defense against a Metal Skeleton (a common mid-level enemy) with Rank F defense and expect negligible damage. It's going to hurt because your character sucks at defending themselves with or without a shield. Damage in this case will range from 50~120, depending on the quality of the hit, whether you have a shield, and if it triggers a critical hit...these are pretty high numbers regardless of how strong your character is.

So I guess we all agree this doesn't do the original justice, right?

>>3119438
Getting WM to Rank 5 doesn't take too long. Getting it to Rank 1 takes a fair amount of time, but not really as much as other skills.

>>3119448
I want to listen to your post; I really do! But I can't hear you over the sound of Windmill spam.

>>3119448
Shields are seriously only for arrow blocking.

>>3119460
Interestingly Heroes' story is the Prequel of The Original's

atleast thats what I assume because Heroes takes place during the Fomor war

>>3119460
That will be the greatest game when it comes out in 2012.

>>3119411
>>3119448
As for making your character stronger, prior to the Generation 4 update, which introduced a whole lot of nothing to the world (Iria), Rebirthing your character is now free, so long as two conditions are met:

1. It's been at least one week since your last rebirth.
2. Your character is 20 years or older.

This means it's now possible to rebirth once every three weeks. Yes, cash shop players are still significantly more powerful, since they always paid for their rebirths prior to them becoming free. A character levelled 2000+ is not uncommon among the "big 3" servers, Mari, Ruairi, and Tarlach. These players are absurdly powerful...but it is not entirely uncommon to see them tripped up and dying to trash enemies. Some of them are actually really bad players. Some of them are actually really good. Regardless, stop complaining about cash shop and how it artificially makes players stronger than they actually are. It's been beaten to death, and it is true.

In the end, your character's "level" only matters up to a certain point. Once past this point, it no longer matters as far as making yourself an effective player goes.

>>3119465
and for the skill ASSAULT

renamed charge in the NA version

>>3119478
All free cards (your first one) you can use all the premium features
>>3119465
I forgot to add about the hidden defense points just equipping shields give

>>3119464
Right, but for somebody who's just trying out the game and doesn't have all of /jp/ telling him to rank WM up because it's the best skill in the game, he's probably not going to rank it up.

And, you know, new characters. Maybe they will, heaven forbid, try out some of the other skills like archery or magic. Although I think those systems were designed pretty poorly in comparison to melee, they can be pretty neat too.

>>3119411
>>3119448
>>3119478
These days, there are a LOT of players who are convinced (either from their own experience, or from another player) that spamming windmill is the only way to go.

It couldn't be farther from the truth. Anyone who knows me in the game will tell you that I very strongly disapprove of spinning in circles, killing everything.

It has some strong points; it hits many enemies, it has a large number of invulnerability frames, it does good damage....In short, it makes short work of groups of even the strongest monsters.

But it does not make you a good player. If anything, it makes you worse, as you're no longer thinking your way out of situations, and instead spamming the same thing over and over again. It promotes poor play, but promises inhuman killing speeds and large quantities of experience (A windmill-spamming player can solo the toughest dungeons with relative ease).

I literally can't do it. Even if I were given the skills necessary (Rank 5 or better Windmill; I actually have Rank 9, but I have Rank 9 pretty much everything), I cannot physically bring myself to do those actions without getting myself killed. The downsides to spamming Windmill...it makes you really easy to kill. You'll end up aggroing an entire room, you cannot take ANY hit without dying, and you're committed to it until the area is clear. It means you're never going to be at full power; you hurt yourself by 10% every time you use the skill. It's a vicious, but powerful, cycle of death for both parties.

So I play the "old-fashioned way"...the same way EVERYONE played back during Beta, the way EVERYONE played during Generations 1 & 2. I play with Magic and Melee, and combining those two, I am effective in combat with little to no risk to myself. While I'm not perfect (far from it), I do not get hit without being prepared often, and usually only when I pull more than one enemy. These situations are indeed very dangerous; but not impossible, to cope with.

>>3119492
Actually, archery's pretty broken too.

There was that whole SoG stuff and I killed a bunch of bears at low levels with no damage by standing at a certain range and firing whenever they got up. Actually now that I think about it, archers may just have been MORE broken than meleers.

Too bad magic was both stupidly expensive and shit in this grindfest, mages had potential to be fun to play.

>>3119500
Ice counter was lame, and you know it.

I thought RO was okay for its time.

>>3119506
the fuck it was

>>3119503
I meant with regards to its design. SoG is not reliable and I'm pretty sure is indeed a myth. The only skillset in the game that has the RNG for its chance to hit. It is a pain in the ass to begin your career as an archer, although once you get Arrow Revolver and rank it up and have rank 1 ranged you'll be pretty good. But even high level archers supplement their characters with a high ranked windmill.

>>3119411
>>3119448
>>3119478
>>3119500
As far as the differences between Melee Magic and Archery go...Melee has the advantage in PvE; melee attacks never miss. Melee also works very well with magic skills, provided you take the time to learn how to implement them into your fighting style.

Archery, on the other hand, is foreign to me. I know very little about it, aside from it takes arrows, a bow, and it takes time to "aim" your shot (which can miss). Higher "Ranged Attack" rank means you aim faster. Despite the glaring weaknesses, Archery has been the king of PvP since the early days. A well-played Archer is untouchable, and remains so today, even with the Assault skill.

In summary, the combat system is not unintuitive and broken. It just takes time to learn, and more time to master. Think of it more like a slow-paced action game than an MMO. It is significantly more rewarding and more fun to play than almost any other MMO out there, since you control what happens in a given encounter.

You don't HAVE to fight at all, really. You could just dick around with your friends, play music, build up a character with nothing but life skills. You will level very slowly (lifeskills do not equal much exp), but if you enjoy that more than combat, it's well worth your effort.

That's all I got. I'll answer some questions if you aren't ready to run me off yet.

Melee sux
Range sux
Magic is the pro way to go.

>>3119533
Pure magic is really hard to play well. It really feels like they intended for you to back up magic with melee, because they work together so well. I can't imagine focusing exclusively on one "tab" of skills.

>>3119524
>build up a character with nothing but life skills
>it's well worth your effort

Not really. There's hardly any reward other than the knowledge of how much of your life you wasted to make virtual items in a server that won't last forever.

Sure, people can donate money while you play music if you really consider that a reward, but there never has been and never will be an MMO that doesn't revolve around combat; you can DO things without it but not anywhere near enough to achieve the maximum experience the game has to offer. If you don't kill shit you'll never get to go through the generation quests, you'll never get even the lifeskill equips from running dungeons, and every time a mob just happens to aggro on you between towns, enjoy your walk back. There's hardly enough benefit to non-combat skills to make a pure worth playing.

Archery is pretty good if you're not missing. It's definitely something you want with high counter or wm though. Magic might work too.

If only the enemies in this game weren't so damned fast compared to you. Where the fuck are the haste spells or boots of speed or creamy clip or some shit?

>>3119550

So, when was the last time YOU played?

>>3119550
/v/'s found a few mmos they just play multiplayer dwarf fortress in.

Also there's eve, where there's combat but it's not tied to levelling up.

>>3119559
>Archery is pretty good if you're not missing.
Since you're actually saying this, I can say with confidence that you didn't play an archer. Hitting at all is a gamble; the whole "Shot of God" bullshit is just a fancy way of experienced players telling novices not to constantly charge to 99% because they're going to take a shitton of hits if they try it.

So while you're right that archers are good if they aren't missing, that's something that'll never happen in GRINDANogi. Archers' hitchances are complete shit and if you bother waiting for 99%, enjoy your death.

>>3119568
Couple weeks ago. Logged in, rebirthed, distributed AP, logged off.

It's not even fun to actually play anymore, really.

>>3119541
I did it, and boy does that come and bite you in the ass later on. G1 with the zombies who can only be hurt effectively by WM (remember, this is when G1 was new) and then again in G3 with the infiltration and no magic whatsoever. Haha, fuck me.

It basically revolves around stunlocking mobs with icebolt (or later on lightning bolt). For most enemies you can time it just right and they'll never get knocked back. For ones with magic resistance (I forget what the skill was called, mana reflector?) you might have to switch from the light-weight icebolt to firebolt and nuke away. Eventually it becomes better to replace your icebolt with lightning bolt, which at higher ranks has the same charge speed as icebolt but with much, much higher damage provided you have a decent chunk of int.

Then you get into advanced magic... great for soloing ciar advanced but it's costly. You will be chugging mana potions left and right (by the way, mana potions are the only potions NPCs don't sell so you'll be buying them from the jews in the market or farming mana herbs and making them yourself).

But even with all the bitching about the magic related combat system, I had some fun times with Hotglue. MMOs are best when played with good company, and I'd like to think Hotglue was good company early on.

And of course, dressup was always the best part of Mabinogi.

>>3119541
Magic is also expensive because you just cant buy potions from the NPC stores

you have to find or make potions your self

>>3119598
damnit

>>3119550
I suppose you're right. But my point is still clear; you really don't have to fight if you don't want to. Not everyone has to be "the One who Saved the Goddess" or "the Savior of Erinn" or other such noteworthy beings. Yes, you will be weak. Yes, you'll be a terrible fighter. But like I said; if you enjoy those things, and don't enjoy combat, then you don't really have a reason to complain. Life-skill players are gimps in combat, they're instead the social and economic butterflies; if they can't get materials themselves, they can hire another player to do it for them, benefitting both parties (or not, as the lol player economy is fucked to high hell).

Furthermore, you should never get attacked going from point A to point B; a field mob will not aggro you unless you're hanging around close to it. The only time where that's an acceptable excuse are the rare times between Dunbarton and Emain Macha, when the Mini Bear field boss spawns in Osna Sail, with his mob of Sheep Wolves that aggro you in about a second. Otherwise, you never even have to touch combat if you choose not to. It's a choice, friend.

As far as GRINDANogi...well...hit the poles outside of the Tir Chonaill school for a while for an easter egg. Greed only leads to more grinding, and it's what inspired me to keep playing the way I do; so I can laugh at all the players who do nothing but pride themselves on being the best LIKE NO ONE EVER WAS. I'm not going to disagree that the community is terrible+1.

I also play good music from assorted vidya gaems, that I either made myself, or transcribed/edited for quality myself. Also original songs.

>>3119176
I still play this game... ;_;

I don't know about you people, but I do feel great satisfaction just going through dungeons and never get hit once...

>>3119641
Now it's time to get your title from Rabbie Basic.

Can you solo it without ever getting hit, with your precious Golden Egg intact?

>>3119598
>And of course, dressup was always the best part of Mabinogi.
Again, why we're all playing ECO now.

>>3119613
>Mini Bear field boss spawns in Osna Sail
That was what I had in mind when I said it, at least. I won't disagree that it doesn't happen too often though. Just the whole feeling of helplessness that comes from being killed like that before you know what happened just because you CHOSE to neglect the ability to defend yourself is enough to discourage lifeskill-only play.

On top of that is the fact that if you choose to go that way, at the beginning you'll hardly get any AP. If you hardly level up or just don't at all, the only time you'll get AP is from aging so you'll have to WAIT for weeks on end to be able to do anything. Meaning you won't be having much fun since the only options you have are to wait - as in not play it at all until Saturday - or go engage in - guess what? - COMBAT. If you're going to pride yourself on not killing mobs at all or whatever then you'll not even be playing at all. After a few weeks of endurance you'll be able to log on and play some music, make clothes or whatever, but ultimately consistently playing it isn't something that's going to happen without combat, unless you just idle in towns but in that case it's less of you playing an MMO so much as a chatroom.

My point here is that combat isn't forced down your throat, but neither is playing at all. The two go together. Maybe someday there may be a grindfest with a huge amount of non-combat minigames that are actually rewarding, but Mabinogi isn't it.

>>3119662
In ECO

Is it like mabi where It really doesn't matter what you are wearing

or is it like other Korean MMOs where you just buy the best of what you can wear

>>3119662
I didn't really like the way ECO looked so I didn't try it out. Oh well.

>>3119584
I learned to trust in the heart of the bow. It comes through when it needs to. And yes this involves firing at 60 or 70.

But then my archery is also high enough that I can spam mangnum shot and keep the enemy nearly out of bow range. Who would have though auto attack would come in handy again when you can get to 99 before the enemy can get up.

The only thing that gets me down are rats.

>>3119674
Luna is best about that. You can wear whatever and get good bonuses, and gem it up like in diablo 2. Also personally made item bonuses and sets.

>>3119691
you mean
BLACK SHIP RATS OF ILL OMEN!?

>>3119674
Sort of both; equips all have DEF ratings and such and you can't wear robes over armors like you could in Mabi. So if you're a tank, you'll probably be wanting to wear armor in actual combat. Caster gears aren't much better than costumes like the meido outfit and various others so it really doesn't matter too much what you're wearing.

The possession system is the main factor why you're not going to need fancy armors, since you can just go inside someone else's equipment and significantly minimize the damage you take. Plus, if you get a shaman or two to possess you and just run around near mobs you won't have to worry about being hit at all, so you can just wear whatever the hell you want.

There are equips by level that give you better stats and such but ECO's more lenient on it than most other MMOs since the thing most likely to kill you in PvE is lag. In CB there was a giveaway of this godawful-looking armor and everybody wore it so there was no fashion originality, but from the stuff I've seen sold in towns and the modelviewer I can say I'm pretty sure there's a big variety in clothing.

tl;dr armors are better than clothes but it doesn't really matter since there's not a big gap in the numbers. Unless you're an elitist.

>>3119282
>Apart from the better than wow pvp, ( pvpve isn't all it's cracked up to be ) with badly balanced classes ( the second best healer class is hailed as the main healer of the game, as the healing prioritiser is overkill. ), dps classes can be ranked easily and all pve is essentially tank and spank.

Since this game seems to have a pretty large PvP focus I hope to dear god by the time it goes out live the classes are pretty balanced and overall content is pretty polished. If the game itself isn't decently polished all the way until endgame I have no real reason to even bother playing. I've played a lot of mmo's, and spotting the cancer which will lead to a game's downfall is not hard.

So I want to waste some time on an free mmo.
Should have distinct class roles like dd heal tank etc
Which one should I start?

>>3119747

Mabinogi.

>>3119747
see >>3119197

You'll just have to wait a little while. Maybe days, maybe months. Rumors say it'll start Saturday though.
That or Aion.

>>3119662 On top of that is the fact that if you choose to go that way, at the beginning you'll hardly get any AP....

Pretty much, yeah. But that's the way a pure-lifer is, and some people actually do enjoy that. I certainly wouldn't recommend it, but if it's your cup of tea...well...I'm not going to tell you you're wrong or anything.

Speaking of which, if you're having thoughts about playing the game, give it a try at the very least. Don't just take what other people said and base everything off that. Try it first. There is no long-time commitment to it.

>>3119751

>>3119747
>>3119751
I can't recommend Mabinogi to you. Mabi is very free-form about how characters are; you're never shoe-horned into only playing one role.

You might be better off with some other MMO.

>>3119747
>>3119754
>Aion

Whoops, I meant Aion when it goes into OB. It'll only be free for a few weeks though, I imagine. If it even DOES go into OB.

>>3119760
>There is no long-time commitment to it.

That completely goes against everything we've said in this thread.

>>3119782
Not really. You can get a moderate idea of how the game plays in a matter of days, to see whether you'd like it or not.

Nexon is incompetent. Don't play their games.

>>3119790
Well, that's true, but if you're actually going to PLAY it you're forced to spend months building up your character whether you like it or not. After about 20 or so levels levelling turns into grind, and after a little while of that grind takes the plunge into impossible. With AP rewards gradually decreasing with age and only 1 AP per level which has become impossible to get to without new skills, you pretty much have to either give Nexon money or wait it out. And even if you do a paid rebirth, it's still WAITAN GAEMS. That's all I meant.

Also,
>You can get a moderate idea of how the game plays in a matter of days, to see whether you'd like it or not.

Bad idea. Doing that these days shows you nothing but botswarms and Naruto music spammers. Shit's shit. The mechanics are actually enjoyable I'd admit, but the horrific community outweighs the fun you'd otherwise be having now.

>>3119797
This. Nothing could be truer.

>>3119797
They are, but that's no reason to not play a genuinely good game.

Mabinogi is certainly not BEST GAME EVER or even BEST MMO EVER quality...but taken for what it is, it's a pretty good game. But then, I'm biased because I've played it for so long...but I wouldn't play it this much if it were a bad game....

>>3119797
Nexon is filled with lazy dickwads, but god dammit DevCAT actually cares about tending to the flaws. Like refining. Mining in Barri was a bitch, so they put in Metallurgy.

>>3119813
If you're actually playing the game, character build-up comes naturally.

If you're just trying out the game, you don't need to spend more than a week playing it to get a good idea of how the game plays. If you like it, you would continue playing.

That's pretty much exactly what I was saying. There's no need to commit more time into playing a game you're not liking, there's simply no logic or reason in that...and you can figure out whether or not you'd like the game after a matter of days with it.

You don't NEED to have a billion levels to figure out if you like the game; you just need to spend a little bit of time doing the tutorial quests, and play in a few dungeons with people. Sitting in town (musicspammers) or on the very outskirts (bots) is not playing the game.

You are now hearing Nao's Appearance theme. MANUALLY
"A prayer to the sleeping" for all you elitist faggots

du du du duuu du duuuuuu du du duuuu du duuu du du duuuu du du

>>3119813
You do know about the free rebirths right?

>>3119873
I like Albey's theme the best

>>3119871
>Sitting in town (musicspammers) or on the very outskirts (bots) is not playing the game.

I don't mean actually being around them so much as encountering them in general; seeing the starting area filled with bots isn't going to help the player start out with a positive outlook on the community, and when they go into town and hear Naruto/Bleach music it's probably not going to help things along unless they're a potential Naruspammer themselves.

>There's no need to commit more time into playing a game you're not liking
My point is, that doesn't just apply to the gameplay. The shit community is more than enough to drive players away now, and it's to the point where it's obscuring the otherwise good gameplay mechanics. While ECO had a bunch of stupid people at least they weren't throwing it in your face by replacing your background music with the same shit. There's also the general Gaiafaggotry and the fact that if you plan on doing the generation quests you're eventually going to HAVE to ask for their help for the, what was it, ideals?

>>3119873
Goddamnit anon. ;_;
Mabinogi's music is the biggest reason why I played it so much, since I love the shit out of synth, especially the way it was done in this particular OST.

Aion and ECO have better soundtracks.

>>3119893
>free rebirths

>>3119813
>WAITAN GAEMS

You have to wait until you're 20 to get one of those. If you don't pay, you wait.

If bard music bothers you so much, just turn it off? I only unmute mine if a friend is playing a song.

>>3119928
If I did that I wouldn't be able to complain about it.

>>3119915
Oddly

I can fit atleast ONE Ideal for each town except for Dumbarton (I made a funny huuurrrr)

1 for Tir
1 for Bangor
2 for Emain

>>3119197
>However, a foreign IP ban still stands, and those on proxies and non-Japanese IP addresses can not connect to the game servers or create an account.

?

>>3119923

Yeah, but if you start at 17 it's only a 3 week wait...which is what it used to be before the iria patch anyway

>>3119934
Jap servers != the servers we've been playing on.

http://eco.runup.com.my/en/top/top.php

I'd be playing on moonservers now if VPNs weren't such a pain in the ass. ;_;

>>3119937
Heck

If you start Human

You can get Giant and Elf for free

Work on alts once a week

>>3119937
>start at 17

Then you'll miss out on 10+ AP, which pretty much destroys the point. I guess you DO get a shitton from starter quests, but it's not that hard to start at 10 if you can get a basic idea of what you're doing, plus you get titles that way. I got bear slayer at 10 before any rebirths, at least.

>>3119952
With exploration exp, you can easily get 25 exp levels which are as good as any other levels, and then be able to get to level 30 or so before rebirthing.

>>3119934
http://e-shuushuu.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&p=45874

Works for jECO also.

>>3119963
Ehh, guess I forgot about the new crap they've been pouring out.

I've been talking about when I first played it mainly, but levelling definitely was a lot easier for the alt I made when Alexina first started up than in Mari during OB. I still pick it up and play it again every once in a while, but it's still not playable consistently unless you have rank 1 everything. Soon enough I'll get there, I guess.

>>3119972
I love you.

Doesn't look to complicated, so this'll definitely be something to do until the chinks crank out some news. Thanks anon.

>>3120033
No problam! Take it easy!~

>>3119977
If you need rank 1 everything to play Mabi, you don't deserve to play Mabi because you're a fucking failure of a human being who needs to be the ABSOLUTE BEST AT ANYTHING to receive any kind of enjoyment out of it.

You are the WORST kind of player; yeah, you're the smug little fucktard who just can't WAIT to be first goddamned person on a server to get some achievement so you can enter a dick-waving contest with other players, holding your title or piece of equipment above their heads like it makes you better than them somehow.

You make me sick.

>>3120145
>but it's still not playable consistently unless you have at lesat rank 9 everything

Exagerration doesn't work on /jp/ now? Well okay, here you go. My point was more along the lines of it's not very fun to play if you can't kill anything, bro. Running into dungeons with rank F skills and dying hundreds of times is futile compared to just waiting a few weeks until you can actually hold you own. In fact, the example you just described was pretty much the whole server in Mari and 95% of the reason I stopped playing it.

Poor Mabi suffered from the same flaws as Runescape: you CAN grind with other players, but it's really not required or even encouraged most of the time. You can play it by soloing, but first you're going to have to put forth the time to get to a point where you actually can solo. But I think I'll go ahead and say something ridiculous just because I want to keep a debate going.

Paladins are overrated.

>>3120189
That's still incorrect. You can still be an effective fighter even with Rank F everything; you'll just be weak, and things will take a while if you're alone. You make it sound like it's completely impossible to do anything without ranking up your skills. That just makes it easier.

Hell, I could kill Golems at Ceo Island at total level 20. It took me quite some time, but killing them was not out of the question. It's dependent on your ability as a player, not the strength you gain from levelling up or having absurdly powerful skills.

In Mabinogi, you have to walk before you can run. Once you know how things work, you can manage some impressive things even as a low-level character.

I'm in Rabbie Basic getting my Experienced title right now, on current/total level 43 actually. Got my Golden Egg and everything, and I've just entered floor 3. There are ways to cheese this title (for example, putting the egg on a pet/in bank+remote bank coupon and putting it in your inventory at the boss door), but I prefer doing it the real way because I don't suck at the game like over 90% of the community.

Dark Knight is where it's at, nigga

>>3119176
A BOWLS OF DICK'S
> www.anystalk.com, nys = non

>>3120229
True as that may be, I'm not talking about playability in general here; I'm talking about FUN. If there's anybody who seriously gets enjoyment out of spending hours to do something that would take anybody else five minutes, most of that time being spent on respawning and walking back with an almost empty lifebar due to wounds just to be killed again, speak up now.

Being underlevelled for a challenge is one thing, but going through a dungeon that's moderately difficult for decent-levelled parties - say, Math - at level 1 with all rank F skills is just plain stupid. Even suggesting that you have the MAD SKILLZ to do that in the first place just boils back down to the whole fancy achievement dickwaving contest. Bragging rights are all you'll get out of having 'skill' just like bragging rights are all you'll get by spending stupid amounts of time grindan every actual skill.

Of course, I have a pretty valid reason to whine about 'skill' and timing since I played an archer and never bothered going through that process to remove the lag. ;_;

>>3120294
Do it

It helps alot

sometimes you can glitch out of getting hit by a mob and get a lucky hit

>>3120255
I REALLY love the stance but

I am a Berzerker/Archer

Im better off as a Pally

Goddamnit, you people are making me want to redownload this and replay it until ECO goes OB. ;_;

Does anyone on /jp/ actually still play this, or do we all just talk about it?

>>3120407
I do. I was the first falcon sage on mari.
I'm such a faggot.

Che...

I'd like to see you try to windmill spam ciar adv, the best damn training place in the game, and see how that works for you.

>>3120563
YOUR MODS ARE SHOWING
But seriously, wtf? Who the hell are you?

>>3120576
I am Tiara.

>>3119813
I've never actually had an issue with the mabinogi community. Most people I've met are quite helpful (fuck, one of them actually GAVE ME A BIRD).

Also I've yet to here any naruto music, but I've heard several people play music from Blood+ and Geass.

>>3120585
Oh. Go figure.

>>3120563
>the Furious the Master of Magnum Shot
Wait, what?

>>3120595
You must keep your bard sound off a lot then. And it's more Bleach lately.
IF I HEAR THAT FUCKING ROLLING STAR ONE MORE TIME

>>3120608
Looks like shes 2 Dan bro. Probably working on 3.

>>3120612
really? that kinda died of in ruairi

If you've given up on life and have yourself hooked up to a life support machine, this is the game for you.

Also only if you have cash or free trials left so you can go on story quests (fucking stupid system, I like my quests free thank you very much)

>>3120612
Nope. Actually the only one song I've heard from ANY or the Big 3 is We Are, which I found a band playing. Actually pretty fun.

I do agree that the economy is broken though, but I usually circumvent it by buying dice and gambling with people in Dunbarton and Quilla Base Camp.

>>3120625
Story quests are free, bro.

>>3119411

OP here; for the record, that last rant was the product of an absolutely *terrible* Math run, combined with getting scammed out of a rare armor.

I've been playing Mabi since G1, though I didn't play all that much then. It *has* been fun and enjoyable at times, and I pretty much like everything else about the game - the presentation, the character development, musicspamming is fun, believe it or not, but there's just too much grind worked into every single aspect of the game, and being severely punished for every combat mistake you make is really frustrating, and a severe DETRIMENT to learning the game.

The only way to overcome this is partying, and obviously we know that 95% of the userbase are 13 year old little shits who jumped over from Maple Story and Runescape.

Yes, I know "lern2play", but not all "lernin2play" is created equal, and being killed by kobold mobs because of a single strategic mistake gets frustrating after a while.

Also, the "lol windmill everything!!11!!!" people are fucking retards. Yeah you'll clear a room, but good luck dealing with multi-aggro, which is literally instant death unless you're amazing or have a party ready to back you up.

>>3120563
>Carmen Sandiego
>Female
>Partner - **********
It's Waldo, isn't it?

>>3120625
Where've you been the past year? All the generation quests are free now, brah.

>>3120595
Obviously, you didn't play on Mari.

>>3120563
>Master of Combat
>Master of Arrow Revolver
>Master of etc etc etc

The speeds at which everybody got shit like this is one of the reasons I quit. It's not so great knowing you're still a novice in a sea of masters after your months of playing since day 1. I sort of doubt it's fun not having any room for advancement either, though.

>>3120658
I play on Alexina yeah.

>>3120630
>>Dice Gambling
FFFF I always fall for this. On Alexina there's this one chick by the name of (tellingly) Arcrueid who got me out of 10k gold in 3 rolls.

>>3120668
'Kay. I have an alt on Alexina so I know where you're coming from -- an alt whom I'm about to play in a couple hours once I get this shit redownloaded.

goddamn you /jp/ ;_;

>>3120576
Mabinogi isn't worth playing without mods...

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?kydx2knjvyz

>>3120596
You know something?

>>3120615
Nah, just 1st dan magnum, but I'm going for 3rd dan in range now before those elves can overpower the humans and it's too late.

>>3120646
I agree that the learning curve is extremely rough. I recently got a friend to play, and in order to make sure he didn't quit after a week I spent 3 hours demonstrating techniques, helping him turn off nagle, and getting him to level 30 by making him finish monsters I had killed in ciar adv ;_;

My one complaint is that Giants are basically only good for the cool factor. They've got better music, can stomp enemies, sticks turn into god damn TREES for them, and giving shoulder rides is just awesome.

But they aren't PRACTICAL. The elves have better skills and they're shops sell better stuff, while not being all that interesting.

>>3120680
Exactly what do these mods do?

>>3119176
op shud go an hero nao
> www.anystalk.com, nys = non

>>3120680
I noticed your trip, and I frequent faucet.
Also, you're on ruairi right? Elves have already taken over range in Mari, every time I beat a human in the advancement test they rage.

>>3120700
Load data from Data folder before loading from pack files.
Block the popup ads on game exit.
Clear fog of war on dungeon minimaps.
Cause daylight appearance between the hours of 18:00 and 4:00.
Enable full-screen antialiasing.
Enable coloring of ALT names based on character type.
Enable opening of player shops from a distance.
Allow logging out or exiting the game while talking to NPCs.
Modify the maximum zoom distance (1~5000).
Enable moving to the same channel you are currently on
Modify the quality of screenshots.
Show combat power numerically.
Show the shop purchase and selling price in item descriptions.
Show item durability with 1000x precision.
Show food quality numerically.
Allow conversation with unequipped spirit weapons.
Enable CTRL-targeting props while in combat mode.
Use bitmap fonts instead of vector fonts to prevent window lag. Fantasia exclusive!
Increase the size of some in-game bitmap text (at this point: only the clock text).

>>3120658
Well... I've just been playing since the first day of OB pretty actively, but trying to be highest in the server is sort of my motivation. I'm really just raising magic right now since all the combat is done, so it's not as if there's nothing to do.

>>3120608
You get prefix titles for skills for ranks 1st dan and 3rd dan, but you need to take this one advancement arena exam that requires you to have a rank 1 skill and there have to be at least 3 other applicants in the same skill and you have to outscore the others to actually be awarded dan exp. 3 applicants only has 1 winner, 4 has 2, 5 has 2, 6 has 3 and 6 is the max. It's really only a 10 minute exam but the good thing is every single piece of equipment or regular titles and anything in your inventory stays behind when you take the exam so it's really just down to raw stats and skill

>>3120714
Gonna go ahead and download that now.

>>3120708
I have over 400 dex, so those noob elves don't scare me.

>>3120729
Good, I'm tired of getting 3x the score of humans in the advancement tests.
But you don't play on mari ;_;

I don't quite get the hate about the combat system. Monsters have different brands of AI that have them attacking different ways. Some are dumb and just rush you, others change their tactics based on what you've hit them with, others circle around you, others keep their distance, still more try and get you to walk into set up windmills or counter attacks. And more.

Your side of it is knowing when to counter, defend, attack, use a spell etc. Which spell is important, sometimes you want to piss a monster off and make them rush you and many monsters get pissed off by a single icebolt so you can use that then set up a defense or counter. Windmill is the only ability that throws this all off. On one hand melee did need an AoE. On the other hand windmill, especially at its highest levels, is just plain overpowering.

Other abilities introduced like the shield charge, magical defense shields, and even final strike all factor into the above. Outside of Windmill it's an intricate system that requires you to learn the attack patterns of different mobs and respond accordingly. It doesn't even require the usual trinity of healer/dps/tank because healing isn't required and you don't really tank in the traditional sense. Everyone's going to get hit at some point, so everyone has to figure out how to deal with damage, and everyone needs damage.

So there's really just pseudo-tank and DPS rolls with the ability to self heal through spells or potions.

>>3120755
Besides Windmill, the only truly messed up thing in the game, is the issue with lag. And the issue with lag isn't an issue with mabi, it's an issue with western connections being BEHIND THE TIMES. You can't blame Mabi for our connections not being updated to sensible levels of speed. More than that there are several lag fixes, that require absolute MINIMUM know how of computers. These lag fixes work for most people, and for my connection (8000dl/800ul) it put things exactly where they needed to be.

So I just don't understand the hate about the combat. I understand the hate about its community and game economy being behind... but I don't fucking get the hate on the combat system. Is it perfect? No. Is it a hell of a lot better or at least more creative than the same bullshit we get from every WoW clone out there? YES.

>>3120714
Yes, well that's just what ijl15.dll/.ini do

>Exactly what do these mods do?
-Paladin/Dark Knight/Falcon/Savage Beast Cutscene Removal (Somewhat)
-Boss Cutscene Removals (Does Not Include Any Mainstream Quest Cutscenes)
-Remove Waterfall Drop Cutscene
-Remove Artifact Discovery Cutscene (Thanks to Arcane)
-Fogless Dungeon Minimaps (dungeondb.xml, dungeondb2.xml, dungeon_ruin.xml, minimapinfo.xml)
-Mimic Patch (Mimics Appear White)
-Forced Simplified Blacksmith/Tailoring Finish Minigames (Backgrounds Removed)
-Unfiltered Words In Chat (Will Not Appear as "***" To Everyone, So Be Careful)
-Huge Keys (Harder to Miss)
-Removed Obstructions (Tall Grass in Fiodh, Barri Walls, and Runda Water)
-Removed Drop Animation For Items (Items Instantly Appear on the Ground)
-Reduced Lag For Character Window and Chat Log (alphanumeric.ttf)
-Remove Screenshot Watermark (copyright_usa.raw instead of just an ijl15.dll edit, thank Spr33)
-Long Distance Heal, Party Heal, Bandage, Fireball, and Dice Toss (Will Not Go Through Obstacles)
-No Lightningbolt Timeout (Lightningbolt Doesn't Fade After 15 Seconds)
-Characters Equipped With L-Rod Glow When Closer to Treasure (Better For People Without Sound)
-Underground Maze Fog Removed (Connous Ant Hell and Solea)
-Landmarks, Sites, and Boss Spawn Locations Revealed For Rano, Connous, Physis, and Courcle Regions (Thanks In Part to Arcane)
-Iria Props Simplified, Namely Trees to Stumps in Karu Forest (Major Lag Reducer For Some)
-Names Over Metallurgy Spots (Gold Spots Will Have "Gold" Floating Over Them and White Ones Will Have "Iron")
-Rabbie Advance Skeleton Squad Strong/Weak Differentiation ("(Strong)" and "(Weak)" appear to the right of names and Strong squads will appear Black)
-Mythril Appears as a Turquoise Color Instead of Gold (To Avoid Confusion)
-Unknown Ore Fragments Appear Purple In Inventory (" " ")

>>3120763
any risked involved?

>>3120763
And that's what I just downloaded from the link above?

Can Europeans play ECO without proxies?

>>3119378
We miss you too, Chizu!

>>3120755

I think the problem is how the game uses space.

To me, no matter where you fight, your options do not fundamentally differ from the options you would happen in a narrow room with the door locked on both sides. Once a monster aggros you, you can't run, you can't easily evade the monster's run, you just hope you can get the right skill loaded at the right time.

Also, while ranking up life skills may be good in the long run, the grind is even more horrendous, and eventually, you need to fight a little bit to get to say, mining areas (Barri, etc).

>>3120763
It's pretty easy to underestimate knowing the whole dungeon layout beforehand or knowing where every single mimic, lost elf, artifact, dedication stone, and face changing statue, along with their times are. Being able to see your combat power and compare it to a monster's can come in handy when you want to try and figure out when something will be weakest/weak/normal/strong/awful/boss. Even being able to zoom out more helps out drastically since you're able to see more. One of the greater things is the bitmap font. Normally foreign versions use bitmap font, but for whatever stupidfuck reason, Nexon America tried to use some laggy as vector font, so if you have the bitmap font like normal your char/chat/skill windows won't lag at all.

If I wanted to play somethign like Diablo I would play DIABLO.

>>3120760

I hate when people use "creativity" as an argument point. Creativity does not automatically mean it works. I KNOW the combat system is creative...but it's also immensely frustrating.

I simply do not believe a game should EVER have a 3-6 month learning curve to get to an average level.

>>3120773
Yes.

I started when all you guys did, played for 2 weeks, then quit.

Can't say I'm all too interested to return.

>>3120797
I started a few days ago and I can solo Math without problems.

>>3120773
Yes.

>>3120769
Nah... The only people who've been banned were over godmoding glitches and housing gold dupe glitches.

>>3120782
Metallurgy really helps a lot with refining now. In fact, there are several mods that make metallurgy even easier: Purple Unknown Fragments (normally same color as iron so it's confusing) and Turquoise Mythril Fragments/Ores/Ingots/Bars (Normally they're the same color as gold) and finally names over metallurgy spots, since normally they're invisible, but a simple propdb.xml edit fixes that.

>>3120806
question

I installed it then I get an error when I start up mabi

how do I fix this?

>>3120815
are you on vista or windows 7?

>>3120826
Vista

>>3120777
If you mean the Jap servers, you can't even play those WITH proxies.

The MY/SG servers that haven't gone into OB yet though, you shouldn't have any trouble connecting to from anywhere. Just expect lag if you're not in Chinkland.

>>3120815
At any rate, go to C:/Nexon/Mabinogi and open up IJL15.ini and at the bottom set DisableRegistry and DisableCRT to 1 and see if that doesn't work

>>3120826
vishit

Holy shit people still play this game.
Pretty much all my opinions of Mabi have already been said in this thread and do not need any mentioning.

Is Hotglue still around and should I get back into this game?

>>3120849
Doesn't work for me.

>>3120860
Hotglue was deemed to be an inappropriate name.
They've been renambed to Derp.

>>3120849
those eyes

>>3120867
>hotglue was deemed an inappropriate name
Everyone, please now, not so fast
There's sometihng here that I don't quite grasp

>>3120861
Er... keep increasing the number?

>>3120867
Anything else change other than the name?

>>3120867
Are you fucking serious?

>>3120860
Well anon, I'm in the middle of redownloadan and some grind with /jp/ in a server that isn't Mari sounds like a beautiful thing.

Seeing as I had been playing casually I have a not-very-high level elf melee loli in Alexina. Not sure when the last time I rebirthed her was but it wasn't too long ago. You dorks up for some grind in a couple hours?

>>3120889
wait a tick... Mari is bad?

>>3120868
>Those Eyes.

>>3120861
This is why I "upgraded" to XP right when I got a new comp with vista.

Okay, go get this:http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?kzzvzmw5nww

and replace the DLLs in the c:/nexon/mabinogi folder and tell me if that works... If somehow even that doesn't work then...

you could try to turn off everything in ijl15.ini by setting the values to 0, except zoom and screenshot quality since those never trip people up and those can't really go to 1 to begin with. It'd be nice if you could keep the data folder though, seeing as that's where a bulk of the stuff is.

>>3120889
If I could get the game to work (hopefully without taking the patch out, because it sounds awesome), I'd bring my human girl. Her name is Arcrueid.

>>3120887
Dunno, haven't logged in since forever.
But the last few times I did, it sure seemed inactive.

>>3120896
You bet your ass it is.

Read the thread, we've already established that its community is pure shit. Narutospammers and bots everywhere.

>>3120898
>>3120849
more of those eyes please

>>3120898
It still doesn't work.

...If I were to switch to XP now, would that erase all my shit? I've never bothered changing an OS before....

>>3120918
I don't know why you'd guys choose mari in the first place let alone expect/want community especially when it comes down to dealing with the nature of anonymous

>>3120931
Alexina's quite nice. Polite and helpful users, and variety in the music they play. The only things I've heard spammed at all are the Mario theme and "He's a pirate" neither of which I'm capable of being sick of.

Also the only bots you'll see are easy to block adbots in Tir and Dunbarton.

>>3120918
Well shit... time to grindfest windmill to rank 1 to actually do anything again.

>>3120931
The Touhou hijack when OB started was in Mari. I don't care what anybody says about Touhous in MMOs now, that shit was the first and last collaboration between /jp/ and Pooshlmer and it was awesome. I'd do it again.

>>3120963
Wasn't there a Raepthemaids guild? That seemed pretty awesomecool.

>>3120782
You can run. Elves can run. Humans are slower, but use of something like a quick icebolt stun (why would you have trouble loading that in time?) allows for more freedom of movement on some monsters. Now, there are mobs you can't stun or on whom magic won't work, but then you have other skills to help you move around. And even a magic immune monster will be knocked back by a firebolt giving you some space.

I don't know why you'd have trouble with charge time. There are lag fixes that remove lag time so you charge faster, and upping the skills makes them charge faster too. You should be just fine. And that's just magic. You have plenty of skills to get some room with. Windmill is a great way to make some quick room to breathe, countering will knock an enemy back (counter then defend and move back away as defense loads in - defense should charge in time and after a windmill they aren't likely to smash and there's breathing room besides).

The only thing I'd agree on is the lifeskills. They were the only thing in the whole game I actually considered a grind. I've heard people talk about grinding levels or skills in Mabi and it confused the hell out of me. I've never seen a MMOgame where levels mattered so little. Some skills at their max may take some time but it was never anything that everyday play didn't cover save for the maxed r1 of things like Windmill, and other advance skills which you never actually "NEED" at r1 - it's just nice.

>>3120925
What version was your client when you last installed it?

Yeah, sometimes it's hit and miss and some people are just fucked over hard for some reason, but yeah XP is virtually errorless/compatible with things and doesn't have all that permission/admin crap, but if you reformat to XP make sure you know how to do that and have the drivers for it and whatever else.

Alright, just delete the whole "data" folder in C:/nexon/mabinogi entirely (don't worry since the real data folder is actually in the .pack files, that's just an external one to force read with mods) and replace the ijl15.dll/ijl15.ini with these ones:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ygxgynhf20t


If that doesn't work, then I guess it's back to the default one:
http://www.mediafire.com/?tfg2qtlti2g

>>3120968
Well I started Mabinogi like, last friday so I think I'm pretty up to date.

That said, it's WORKING!

>>3120976
Yeah, but do you have mods?

>>3120984
YEP!

I would play this if it didn't require VPN / proxy tunneling.
NA onree

For the record, I haven't spent money on Mabinogi since last year, I've just been buying nexon game card codes from players using gold I've made training in ciar adv. Although, it's true you do need an initial investment for the first few rebirths to be able to get to that point.

>>3120996
That's okay anon, you can still play superior MMOs like ECO.

>>3120797
>>
I hate when people use "creativity" as an argument point. Creativity does not automatically mean it works.
But it does work...

It's creative and it works. So what's the problem?

And how is it frustrating? The two worst things about the combat system are lag (which is not mabi's fault, it's the fault of western connections being way behind the times) and the other thing is windmill being "too" useful so as to be nearly overpowered (and not in the traditional sense more as it's one of those skills that's so useful everyone has to have it because it's just so useful so many places - I view it as the only truly unabalancing factor because it exceeds the usefulness and power of many Advanced skills but has nothing remotely close to the cost of them, fireball for example has a huge charge time and massive mana cost to counteract its AoE knockback and its huge damage).

Windmill is the only real issue for me, since, after applying lag fixes, I no longer have lag issues unless it's one of those times when something's truly up with one of mabi's servers. And then they get around to fixing it. It might not get fixed right away but they fix it regardless.

>>I simply do not believe a game should EVER have a 3-6 month learning curve to get to an average level.
Well it doesn't so.......? I can solo most dungeons (within limitation) right now. It only took me a couple of weeks when I started out to get to that point. Mind the dungeons then were much simpler than now but I was soloing dungeons then. And now that there are harder dungeon i can still solo the new ones that a person can reasonably solo. And I firmly believe it only took me that long because I'd literally never played an MMO that handled like this.

3-6 month learning curve my sweet hairy white ass.

This zoom is NICE. Cracks the arena pretty wide open though.

Also how do I look at a monster's battle power?

denagle algorithm + bitmap font mod + interface mod = pretty lagless

>>3121008
Alt

>>3121008
Uh... Alt? You see it to the left of anything's name. Unless you have it disabled in your ijl15.ini

>>3121015
Oh hey two quick questions on rebirths:

I know you lose newbie benefits at level 30, does that count if you rebirth before that?

>>3121019
And because I'm an idiot and didn't type the other question, are rebirths free?

>>3121015
This. I don't have lag except when something's fucked with the servers themselves.
>>3121019
Total level. Mabinogi tracks your total level.

>>3121025
You lose benefits if any character in your count has TOTAL level of at least 30 so yeah...

Rebirths are free as long as you're age 20+ and you can only rebirth to age 17, so that's 3 weeks waiting for free. And... free rebirths you can't change gender or appearance with

>>3121007

Tell me that when after months of playing I die a minimum of 5 times on Ciar Normal because multi-aggro is simply too hard to deal with;

>>3121025
Rebirths at age 20 are free. You can rebirth to 17 and then rebirth every three weeks for free in the current plan. Or, if you want to rebirth to 10 every time you'd have to wait to 20 still to rebirth for free. Or you can buy cards. Your choice. At higher ages you have have better stats. At lower ages you get more AP.

It's totally up to you whether you want to spend money or not.

>>3121026
>>3121028
Thanks. Now I'll stop newfagging this thread up.

>>3121030
>>3121030
You..... die on ciar...... normal?
What the hell is wrong with you?

This is why you won't get banned.


You also get one free Giant AND Elf card in your account once you go use the keywords on Castanea and Krug, but you have to allign with them first, then deallign, then reallign with the other.

>>3121028
>you can only rebirth to age 17

That's not true, I've been able to use free rebirths to get back to 10 multiple times. Maybe it has something to do with what you started at during creation?

>>3121038
Whoops, forgot to mention Boogeyman is a GM, although I hear GM Maeby is the hardcore one who cracked down and gave 30 day suspensions to god moders.

>>3121030
The only regular goblins are single agro... archers are double agro... poisons are multi-agro.

>>3121040
..... You can use free rebirths to get to any age below 17. 17 is the most popular because it matches the only 3 week "no rebirth period" is what I think they meant. In current you can rebirth every single week if you pay. Now, here's the thing, it sounds nice to rebirth that often, but it's really just silly to do so. Even rebirthing every three weeks is pretty unnecessary.

>>3121007

Okay, you can deal with multi-aggro which is the hardest thing I've ever seen in any game, ever.

That doesn't make it overwhelmingly difficult. I suppose I could draw aggro by ranging monsters one by one, except that is tedious as fuck.

>>3121040
I meant you can only rebirth to 17 as the MAX age, you can always rebirth from either 10 to 17. You'd just want to rebirth to 17 if you were using free rebirths just so you'd only have to wait 3 weeks until you could rebirth again. Age ups occur at Noon PST on Saturdays always, regardless of whether you're on at the time or not. You have to relog/change channel to actually age up if you are on at the time though.

Personally, since I can rebirth weekly I rebirth to age 11 (Age 11 is more dex per level and I'm mainly a ranger, plus it's still 5 ap from age up on saturday), although age 10 does have better luck bonuses per level.

>>3121037

You tell me other than simply saying "I suck", considering I can beat ogres fairly easily (firebolt + windmill, maybe play dead in an emergency) and trolls are fairly easy (same thing, but for some reason I charge the monster when I try to attack with firebolt)

>>3121050
Multiaggro is what Windmill is for. There are other ways. As a pure mage I dealt with it by getting the lag fixes and high ranked spells that just made me very very very fast. People used to be amazed t how fast until the larger portion of the community finally figured out how to apply the lag fixes for themselves. That was before I started on melee skills though. Windmill is much more efficient for multi-aggro and while I had few deaths prior I now hardly ever experience anything resembling death.

Windmill is bread and butter for multi aggro. Trust me, this game doesn't throw "anything" at you that there's not some skill that allows you to deal with it somehow. And then you have to apply the tactic and timing properly.

>>3121056
Scratch that, I forgot you can't rebirth to a higher age if you rebirth at a low age.

>>3121050
Melee people often use icebolt or lightningbolt to draw or have them rush

>>3121047
Really, the fact you can rebirth could make Mabinogi pretty much one of the most ungrindable games ever in existence.

>>3121069
>Really, the fact you can rebirth could make Mabinogi pretty much one of the most ungrindable games ever in existence.

That all depends on how you define grind. Grind really isn't the act of killing mobs over and over so much as it is the act of constantly repeating a single task to achieve something. In Mabi, probably the best way to get AP is by rebirthing to age 10 and waiting.

THEREFORE, you can grind by not playing, which is repeatedly performing the task of refusing to log on.
Mabinogi is the most grind MMO in existence.

>>3121065

I dunno, I'm halfway through Math and I've died 10 times. This is pretty routine. I wish someone could tell me exactly what I'm doing wrong.

>>3121062
>>You tell me other than simply saying "I suck", considering I can beat ogres fairly easily (firebolt + windmill, maybe play dead in an emergency) and trolls are fairly easy (same thing, but for some reason I charge the monster when I try to attack with firebolt)
Ogres are easy mode. That's just firebolt+counter/defense/move back directly after firebolt for one second then hit the defense or counter as is applicable. Windmill isn't needed for ogres at all unless you're fighting more than one at once. Though it is fun to play tennis using windmill with the ogres.

The reason you're charging is due to the queue system. Stop over clicking. You may not even realizing you're doing it. The queue system registers multiple clicks as attacks and will then try and apply that many attacks after a firebolt. Sometimes if the server is lagging (or you are lagging) it can register a single click an extra time or two but lag fixes should fix your end of it and the server does not lag all the time, in fact I haven't seen server lag in over a month.

I have no idea why you'd have trouble with Goblins. This is why I said what I said. If you're having trouble with Ciar Normal, of all things, it just makes no sense. This is the second simplest Dungeon in the game. I had that place down by my second week and I didn't even have Windmill trained back then. I think I'd trained meditation Ice Bolt Firebolt Magic Mastery and Ligthning bolt, and nothing else, the first time I ever beat Ciar. I have many more skills now, and it's far easier the way I currently do it (one shot everything in every room with windmill, and fireball the boss room) but all the way back then with no AoE at all (because I didn't and still don't tend to use lightning bolt's aoe capability with multicharge) I still managed it.

>>3121087
And what do you grind so hard for, if you don't want shitty skills and only melee/magic.

>bad MMO

Isn't that a redundancy?

>>3121087
Not playing and waiting is pretty softcore "grind"ing to me and that would take a long ass time if you didn't level at all during all that since the AP from age bonuses isn't that high or fast. I was thinking more along the lines of not having to kill as much as other games in order to level up as being what makes it less grindtastic. Like at least you actually see results unlike Maplestory or something where you have to kill for a couple weeks just to see some improvement in the form of a level...

>>3121088
See
>>3121069
I prefer lightning bolt myself but icebolt is more useful for most melee characters due to being cheape (I started out at a mage).

This is the basic idea of it. Charge 1 icebolt. Enter room. Maybe there's a chest, so you open chest and quickly run to a corner (if you can't get to a corner before thing aggro you you're an idiot) that is least occupied. Find the closest target that might aggro. Icebolt him and draw him to you. Set up a defense or counter as you prefer and start the defense/counter cycle of killing it.

Later 1 handed will be better if you dual wield, but early on two handers are great. Here's why: N+1. N+1 is a combo in which you time for your first swing, so that you don't use the second swing your weapon would usually go into. instead you wait, just enough time, for the swing to end, but not enough time for the mob to attack. Then you do the full combo of 1 attack and 2 attack. This turns a 2 hit weapon into a three hit weapon.

umm yeah about this

>>3121117
To add to this, the defense/counter cycle WILL NOT work on certain mods, such as those with a spell or with a ranged attack like a bow or crossbow. This is why you keep Icebolt in your pocket. You get it high enough to charge quickly. One icebolt hit usually causes a monster to charge you (though some react to stuns differently, you need to learn this). I have icebolt at r1 these days, but before the rank limit was removed it was only rank 6. The thing it even at a veyr low rank it's useful in this way.

If something is about to range you, you charge icebolt to stop it and try and get it to charge into your counter or defense.

>>3121114
>not having to kill as much as other games in order to level up

... Because you can get high enough level skills to kill mobs more easily just by waiting to get more AP. On top of that you always start at level 1 after rebirthing and exp rates don't decrease (or at least not that I know of) so you always have an easy 1 AP per level for the next 10-20 levels even if you're only online for a couple hours. You don't have to do very much to get shit done if you do it right.

>Like at least you actually see results unlike Maplestory or something where you have to kill for a couple weeks just to see some improvement in the form of a level...

But goddamn I agree with this. Then again, you still spend a similar amount of time by the waiting method, it just doesn't expend as much effort.

I would also like to say I like the fact that I've only ever worn clothes and never used armor and I can do well simply because most of Mabinogi combat relies on you not getting hit, even if you do hopefully you go into deadly status, which is pretty likely. You do have to worry about damage or crit enchant though. I do hate the fact that you couldn't really have "tanker's" or "healers" or some kind of support class in the game though.

>>3121129
You ever play progressquest?

>>3121129
>>3121129
Why is it even a problem though? I remember easily getting high levels through just lazy play over the course of the old three week waiting period on rebirths. Getting to the 30-40 level range gets you that much ap over three weeks plus whatever you got from waiting for age ups that provided ap. Using that method you should get plenty of ap with very little effort. I never found it to be much effort and I didnt used to have all that much time to play at all so it isnt even a huge time investment.

>>3121133
Armor Does help mind you. I've seen people take hits from the Gen 3 Dragon and barely get scratched with high ranks of defense + full armor. Armor can be useful. I won't say you "need" armor because you're right, it relies mostly on you. You never need the armor if you've got your tactics down enough to rarely get hit. So just the same I've seen people take down that same Dragon without ever getting scratched.

Personally I make a campfire, load my r5 fireball, and wait for the Dragon to fail charge. Then let loose.

>>3121125
At what point did that appear and if it was later, how much time was it until after you logged in onto your character?

>>3121141
That, uh, was what I was saying. I don't remember saying it was a problem, did I? All I said was that it takes less effort than other MMOs to get to high levels; just time. So there's really not much to pride yourself on for getting rank 1 skills and level 2000+, since anyone can do it.

Want to grind a bunch of mobs for AP? Go for it.
Want to wait weeks until you get AP without doing anything? Sure, why not.
Want do do both? Nobody's going to stop you.

I never really said it was bad, I'm more or less complaining just to be complaining. The longer it keeps a discussion going, the better. Speaking of which I think we'll need a new thread soon.

>>3121148
This:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNBNGo7xmzc

>>3121153
about 30 seconds after opening mabi
didn't matter if i logged in or not
would appear even if i stayed at the title

>>3121137
I get it, you win.

>>3121158
I want source of your pic.

>>3121171
But seriously, have you? I first discovered progressquest back in 1999 and I haven't stopped playing it since.

>>3121201
>I first discovered progressquest back in 1999
>The program was made available by Eric Fredricksen in early 2002.

Oho, what's this?
But honestly I haven't played it, though by the way I play Mabi I might as well have.

>>3121214
It's like Mabinogi if you unlocked achievements for standing around at dunbarton bank

>>3121219
So it's just Mabinogi without graphics then.

>>3121214
Really it was made in 2001, but 1999 is like an inside joke.

/jp/

So what VPN software works for this game right now? And does that disconnect on character select (or where was it?) to play without proxy still work?

>>3121241
iPig worked for me when I tried it last year.

>>3121114
Whoa the janitor hates the foreskin biting off picture still...

>>3121241

Oh, and enjoy your 3d online chatroom.

So what does /jp/ play?

SURVIVAL PROJECT IS THE ONLY WORTHWHILE KOREAN ONLINE GAME, PERIOD.

Finally reinstalled. Turns out I only had rank 7 combat mastery, ugh.

So I guess nobody's making a new thread?

>>3121501

You can go make one if you want

>>3121572
Point being, if nobody besides me cared to make one until now there's probably nobody left who'll care to post.

Sort of figures, right after I finished my stupidly long redownload too.

>>3121609
Don't be so negative

>>3121765
k

But I'll do it later

>>3121609
What do you want to post about? I think we've covered about everything in this thread.