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Nice try Beato.

>>3103253
Meanwhile...

Butter Butterflies don't prove that witches exist.

It's like teaching a religion fag science, except the other way around.

Nice try OP

Pic related, it's OP.

And that is why Battler is fucking awesome.

>>3103271
Couldn't you just say teach a Science fag religion?

>>3103273
Aren't you the guy who gave up last night?

Kyahahahaha. How pathetic.

Cool story OP

>>3103286
I was tired ok?

>>3103253

>>3103293
Who is in the bottom right?

Battler is a moron, I thought that was established a long time ago.

>>3103306
Some Anti-fantasy guy, of course.

>>3103308
We're not gonna fall for that either.

>>3103253
This reminds me of the people who see David Blaine and shit on TV and actually believe it to be real.

>>3103308
Even though he knows more about physics than you.

>>3103313
You take that back right now! ;_;

>>3103312
That's a given, since you are a moron.

>>3103299
I'm still waiting for Battler to bite somebodies head off when he gets so pissed he starts screaming.

>>3103313
Who can be that stupid?

>>3103316
At least I'm not furniture.

>>3103318
Trust me. There are people out there. I think it's more they're the kind of people that want to believe things like magic exist.

>>3103320
...yet

>>3103328
He was furniture at one point though! That has to count for something, right?

>>3103320
Neither am I.
Then again, you are a delusional fool.

>>3103325
Like those guys that think Digimons are real.

I thought all the furniture resided in /a/, but I guess I was mistaken.

>>3103253

>>3103331
He just let his guard down, that's all.

>>3103338
Nicely done.

>>3103340
That remind me of a certain someone I know. Kyahahaha.

I'm surprised you really didn't just give up and die. That's fine though, seeing you resist and be tortured for an eternity is fine as well!

>>3103325
Uu uu~ David Blaine exists! Uu uu~!

>>3103347
He does, his magic doesn't

>>3103343
I already said I was tired.

You... you... bitch.

Every single magical element in the series will be given a reality-based reasoning. You can quote me later on this.

>>3103361
Quantum and String theory explanations.

>>3103361
That's what I'm talking about!

>>3103361
You'll never reach the truth so easily.

You cannot simply explain away the kakera or the red text!

Or would you like to cover your ears and just shout that it's all a delusion or something silly like that?

>>3103378
It's all a dream.

>>3103378
I wouldn't say kakeras are something magical. That's like saying different dimensions are magic.

Red text is just a litterary tool so you can at least trust SOMETHING you are told.

>>3103361
Ryukishi will say:

"Every single magical element in the series has reality-based reasoning. I refuse to explain!"

>>3103361
It'll go with the Schrodinger's cat experiment path, I mean, the quantum superposition and all that implies, it's not as simple as just solving a mystery.

>>3103383
NO
NO
NO

DON'T EVEN MENTION THAT
I SWEAR IF THAT HAPPENS I'LL

>>3103389
I lol'd, I'd love to see Ryukishi troll like that.

>>3103389
That'd be a huge dick move.

>>3103253
Ahem.

>>3103483

>>3103502
What is she saying here /jp/?

I guess it's not "lol i trol u"

>>3103253
It's a big hint on the meta-world.
You can have a theory about it by using EP4's hints.
Don't forget meta-Battler himself is one of mysteries.

>>3103386
Also, nobody countered what I said.

Was it too smart or too stupid?

>>3103570
Kakeras are just quantum universes, been there done that.

>>3103584
So basically I was right. It can't be considered magic.

>>3103602
No, traversing through them is.

>>3103610
I mean yes, I can't be considered magic.

>>3103610
Goddamn it.

>>3103618
Remember the Schrodinger's experiment.
Before observation, both quantum states are superposed, meaning it's both alive and dead, when observation occurs, the states are separated, but according to the quantum multiverse theory both states happened in different abstract universes, which could be interpreted as something like kakeras.

>>3103636
I see...

>>3103378
The kakera? The different gameboards? It's the result of the Mariage Sorciere.

Okay, so here's where I start destroying that magic.

At the end of Episode 1, we learn that after the storm cleared and the bodies were found, nobody was able to understand how the massacre actually happened. Most people considered it an unsolvable case, where the tricks could not be explained and the culprit could not be identified.

Then a letter in a bottle came along, and had written on it an incredibly detailed description of the events that happened on the island. The world was exposed to the "witchcraft" that may have happened on the island, and gave it a suitable culprit: Beatrice, who was a witch and was above human logic. Furthermore, this letter was signed by Ushiromiya Maria, giving it further credibility.

Essentially, Maria's letter created the witch as we know her. This is where the "Witch of Origins" comes from, and is part of the Mariage Sorciere pact. Through Maria, belief in an magical entity called Beatrice rose.

Then in Episode 4, we learn that there were more than one of such letters, and they all had different detailed descriptions of the incident. They were also signed by Maria, and was confirmed to have the same signature. What was even more puzzling was that each letter implied that the writer was already dead at that point, a statement, if true, could not allow for so many letters to actually exist.

>>3103651
This fulfills the TIPS section of the Mariage Sorciere, which states the following:
-Beatrice, whose magical power has declined, was given an immense new magical power.

Beatrice was only a legend before the Rokkenjima massacre. However, as the belief towards magic began to grow in response to the letters, so did Beatrice's own existence. Now, she was someone that actually had a presence in reality, as such a possibility could not be denied.

- through the formation of this alliance, Beatrice gained the Endless Power in the true sense.

Beatrice, through Maria's multitude of letters, existed endlessly, killed endlessly, and revived endlessly. It truly was an endless scenario that occurred in Rokkenjima, and her dominion over the island was made absolute.

>>3103651
So, that's the theory you started thinking last night?
Nice, I like it.

>>3103657
However, we also learn later on in Episode 4 that the Maria that wrote those letters had the exact same handwriting as the Beatrice that wrote on Maria's book. Furthermore, this handwriting was nothing at all similar to Maria's normal handwriting, making the issue even more complicated. There could only be one explanation: Beatrice was using Maria's name to write those letters.

Logically, it would make perfect sense, since nobody would believe the story if Beatrice used her own name. Thus, she used the name of Maria, who was only an innocent girl, to create those stories and perpetuate the existence of a Witch.

>>3103662

This fits nicely with the TIPS about Beatrice's magical compendiums and titles:

- The Endless Witch has its foundation in "Endless Creation".
- The Golden Witch has its foundation in "Magic Realization"
- The two of these were polished even further through Mariage Sorciere, leading to the sublimation of "Endless Realization"

Using this knowledge, we can follow a certain train of thought:

- Right now, the appearance of the different game boards is the result of Beatrice's Endless Realization.
- Each of those game boards can be described in those letters written by Beatrice.
- However, the converse can also be true: each of those game boards can be the result of Beatrice's letters! This fits in perfectly with Beatrice's abilities.

Therefore, there is a possibility that every single "kakera" is actually a different scenario written by Beatrice in the real world! That kind of logic seals the witch, and has an explanation based on reality!

>>3103657
>>3103651
So, that's the theory you started thinking last night?
Nice, I like it.

>>3103665
Fits to the anti-fantasy definition of magic perfectly, I like it.

>>3103665
Yeah it's a popular theory, you aren't the first one to think of this.
Would explain why Bernkastel's power won't work against Beatrice as well.
Her power works when there's at least 1 chance for her to win, even if that chance is very unlikely.
But something like this can't happen with a scenario that is "already written".

>>3103666
Yeah. I'm still don't understand the nature of the meta-world, but I'm fairly confident this is how all the different game boards themselves are "born".

This also fits with the Witches TIPS as well, since Beatrice the Witch cannot escape her territory (Rokkenjima) for this very reason. She does not exist outside of Rokkenjima.

The different kakera are the different "Maria" letters?
I like it.
But then who was Meta-Battler?

>>3103699
>Beatrice the Witch cannot escape her territory (Rokkenjima) for this very reason. She does not exist outside of Rokkenjima.
Why is that, though?
If her existence is based on people's belief in her, why would she exist there if there's nobody left to believe?

>>3103712
The Rokkenjima Massacre is a very unique scenario where only a magical explanation exists for all of the mysteries. Furthermore, the entire legend of Beatrice was in fact isolated on Rokkenjima, and nowhere else (for reasons we know already). Her entire existence as a witch to the outside world is based upon those letters, and those letters only.

It's a phenomenon that everyone knows is isolated only to that specific island, so Beatrice can never exist anywhere else.

>>3103693
Yeah, I thought about it after a while, then realized that it's actually really obvious if you stop taking the meta-world at face value and read the TIPS.

but then who is the one who wrote the letters? or do you think maria could just change her handwriting completely like she changes her voice and personality?

>>3103882
I wouldn't put it past Kinzo.

>>3103882
>but then who is the one who wrote the letters?
Whoever the lead culprit is.

You guys theorizing about information from the TIPS and all have read Ryukishi's extra TIPS, right? Specifically the one about Anti-fantasy vs. Anti-mystery?

He basically says, more or less, that he can revise the plot however he wants to in the future, rendering all theory mostly useless. The most we can do is guess at where Ryukishi is going to take the plot...

>>3103967
that is anti-mystery believing that theorizing is useless as he can just pop up new shit all the time.
most people vastly misunderstand the meaning of anti fantasy and anti mystery

>>3103967
The more the fans use their blue theories, the less options Ryukishi will have. The more theories Ryukishi is forced to debunk, the less obvious the ending will be.

>>3103882
As I said, it's Beatrice. Beatrice exists, although not as a witch.

There exists a human being that calls herself Beatrice in the real world. This is evident by the signature that this person wrote on Maria's book.

Furthermore, Beatrice's signature in that book was written in katakana. Normally, this wouldn't be too much of a big deal if it wasn't for Episode 3. Just before Battler was about to sign away his freedom, he notices that Beatrice had signed her name in katakana, which was different from how she normally writes.

That's too much of a coincidence right there. I'll theorize that there exists a normal human being known as "Beatrice" that exists in the real world, and is similar to the "Beatrice the Golden" in the meta-world. However, this human "Beatrice" being a witch is nothing more than a lie. Witches do not exist.

>>3104090
sure they do man

i just fucked one.

shit was so cash

but didn't the first letter from Maria plead to find out the "real truth?:

Isn't it canon that Eva survives?

If each game board is supposed to be represented by different letter than why would Eva die in some versions?

Doesn't that automatically destroy the credibility of the scenario?

>>3104211
The letters all say that Eva dies, though.

>>3104217

The third one does not

Battler logic?
no such thing
it's called "dead parrot logic"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE

>>3104317
That's INDUCTIVE logic, bro. Everybody knows inductive logic is illogical.

>>3104364
Well, not completely illogical, but very fallible. They actually talked about this in-game in EP3 with Hempel's Raven.

>>3104323
You mean how Battler has the common sense to say that witches don't exist (the parrot is dead) yet others keep claiming witches do exist (the parrot is alive)?

Hey guys, I think we need to take it easy a bit here.

You, all of you. You are all furniture, and furniture forever you shall be. You will never know what it's like to be human, you will never know love.
Because you will all be NEETs and hikis forever. *cackle*cackle*cackle*

>>3104434
But I have a job and regularly leave my house, so yeah.

>>3104389
yah

I just figured out Umineko!

You see, the meta-world where Battler fights Beatrice in their game is the future. The witches are actually researchers who developed a device to look into various alternative dimensions as well as a way to go there.

Because the future is incredibly boring, said researchers decided to play a game with Battler, the grandson of the late head of this project.
Not with the Battler from their dimension, but with a younger Battler from a past dimension.

The goates, stakes and other furniture are a special force which can travel through the dimensions and are employed by whatever institute runs this project.
They carry out all the murders with their high-tech laser blades and shields.
So whenever Beatrice proclaims that there is only a certain number of people on the island those soldiers are already back at their own world and she is thus saying the truth, even if at times there are far more people on the island.

Since Meta-Battler is from a past dimension he doesn't know about the future and its superior technology and the researchers try to trick him into thinking that magic exists for whatever reason.
So he is trying to proof that the murders are carried out by humans, but with his lacking knowledge it is impossible for him.

Sometimes the researchers decide to go to those alternative dimensions themselves, just to fuck with Battler.

The whole fantasy vs. mystery is just a distraction, Umineko is in reality sciene-fiction.

>>3104487

Knowing Ryukishi07 something this retarded might actually be the solution.

>>3103264
what weird-ass kind of gun is that anyway? Is this even based on some kind of real-world weapon?

>>3104527

>>3104487
sounds like Assassin's Creed (i.e. superior western storywriting)

>>3104555
>Assassin's Creed
>good writing

>>3104527

Judging by the animu, it appears to be a lever-action rifle with a shortened barrel and stock.

The similarity is acutally there even though it's heavily simplified; it just looks a lot different with the sawed-off stock.

>>3104563
congrats, you have discovered the point I was trying to make.

>>3104553
So he was the culprit all along!