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Oh shi-

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FUCK THIS I WANT TO SEE RIDER JAM A SPIKE INTO AYAKO'S VAGOOO

"I feel something getting hard!"

You say that as if we've ever had any doubt.

At least Rider isn't lamely holding back with her eyes covered when fighting in this version.

Oh and Saber is fully under the control of Caster this time. What's an Archer to do now?

The FSN manga is like a whole fucking new route with it's own surprises, I love it.

Is this the official mango?

Please don't let this be Type-Moon complex

PLEASE

>>3085501
>>3085505
It's the official mango.

>>3085476
she makes me hard if you know what i mean

>>3085496
I thought it was just an adaption of UBW

Fuck yeah Kuzuki smack that little bitch Rin!

Is the author trying to imply something here?

>>3085687
Why is Lancer fighting Shirou?

So does the manga have "sex for mana" or some kind of perfectly logical mana transfer instead?

>>3085698
I don't think it's up to that yet.

>>3085695
Training. Someone's got to take over Saber's job now that she's with Caster, and since Lancer is staying at Shirou's place now...

>>3085721
Looks like Shirou didn't learn his Weapon Triangle very well...

>>3085710
I hope they leave it in. That will increase the chances of it being animated in the movie.

>>3085747
The movie scenes are probably already fully planned out and more than half animated.

>>3085758
Don't shatter my dreams of seeing the animated jackhammer.

Just downloaded the latest set of raws, have some Shirou vs. Saber.

>>3086099

ahahahaha what the FUCK?!

so is shirou going to lose saber and gain lancer as his servant, and then when archer rebels or whatever rin will get saber?

After fighting Kuzuki, then Saber (and getting stabbed through his chest), now he has to fight Archer in UBW. Sucks to be Shirou right now.

>>3086113
> gain lancer as his servant
Oh god, make this happen. Lancer deserves a pseudo-goodend.

>>3086114

>>3086119
And Rin interferes. Damn bitch. Also she hasn't made a contract with Saber, guess Shirou will be getting his Servant back.

>>3086114
>(and getting stabbed through his chest)
He shouldn't even be able to move right now.

>>3086127
He's a fucking cockroach who just can't die in the manga.

>>3086135

Saber is so moe.

Rin somehow manages to convince Archer to stop. Shirou and Saber both faint, and Shirou has a dream about King Arthur. Not sure if Fate or UBW route now?

>>3086135
Wait, Excalibur is going the wrong way.

>>3086150
She tried to kill herself to escape from Caster's control. You should be able to guess what happens next.

>>3086135
SSSSAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIBBBBBBBBBBBAAAAA!!!!!!


;_;

>>3086149
>Not sure if Fate or UBW route now?

Rin harem end confirmed.

Btw Rider's dead and Shinji gets UBW happy end with Sakura, so most likely no HF. Probably no UBW too.

>>3086186
Did Shinji learn his place?

>>3086186
So original route?
Fuck yes, downloading manga right now.

>>3086124

Rin looks pudgy or something, I don't know why. Maybe because her hair is drawn fluffier.

For the Caster fans.

>>3086213
;_;

>>3086217
Goddamnit, making me cry bitch tears. ; ;

Fuck you, Archer.

>>3086212
She's a linebacker for the football team in this route.

>>3086212
She's been working out so she can endure the jackhammering she will be getting later on. Maybe.

Summary

- Rider, Caster and Kuzuki is dead.
- Shinji and Sakura seems to have pulled out from the War.
- Ilya and Berserker are still alive but seems to have disappeared from the story.
- Gilgamesh isn't revealed yet.
- Lancer is on Shirou's side, waiting outside the church.
- Both Shirou and Rin have yet to recontract with Saber and Archer.

The next main opponent is probably going to be Berserker.

>>3086331
Saber, Archer, Lancer v Berserker
Oh god.

>>3086335
Archer is still rogue. But if he does form a contract with Rin again you can be 100% sure he's getting mauled to death by Berserker next and the manga goes Fate route.

>>3086347
Even still, Saber, Lancer v Berserker
Oh god.

>>3086371
Would finally reveal could Gae Bolg pierce God Hand among other things.

The manga already showed Shirou keeping the pendant. This is an important Rin flag, now he just needs to gain affection points with Saber.

TRANSLATIONS WHERE!?

>>3086380
It shouldn't. Rank B NPs cannot pierce God Hand, no exceptions. Gae Bolg's causality warping ability is said to be blockable if the defense is strong enough. Gil has the original, higher rank Gae Bolg in his vault, so that worked, but Lancer's should lack the capability.

>>3086213
Shirou's face is priceless.

>- Lancer is on Shirou's side, waiting outside the church.
>- Both Shirou and Rin have yet to recontract with Saber and Archer.

MANLY FLAG

>>3086371
>>3086380
>>3086502
Well the manga did show Lancer fighting Berserker. But just as the excited Lancer was about to go all out he got called back by his Master.

>>3086502
Lancer can use his runes to temporarily bring it to A level

>>3086525
PELVIC THRUST
YEAH BABY

There better be a fight between Kotomine and Shirou in the vein of HF's fight.

>>3086594
Possible, if the manga goes Fate route. I still don't understand why Kotomine was throwing shit at Shirou when he could've easily owned him.

>>3086667
During the HF manly fight, Kotomine mentions that his kung-fu is usually fairly weaksauce. He was just lucky enough to be fighting with a fellow walking corpse who left huge openings.

>>3086764
Who said anything about Kotomine using kungfu?

>>3086770
Gooood point. Where the hell are the Black Keys?
Did he requisition them from the Church in HF exclusively (along with the car and guns), or did he own his own set?

>>3086787
Black Keys are fairly standard, somewhat mediocre, armaments for Executors like Kotomine. The Church probably would have supplied them way way beforehand.

>>3086802
Actually, black keys are pretty decent.

Well since this thread is still here:

Issei vs. Rin

>>3086850
Issei getting bitchslapped by Archer.

Fucking amazing. But i can't really find more than the chapter 17 translated.

Fuck.

>>3086945

It got licensed, you have to buy it if you want it in english.

>>3087748
Many licensed things get uploaded.
BTW, the manga art is weird.

>>3087886
Manfaces?

>>3087903
Not really, no.
More like. non-fitting expressions.
And everyone looks huger than they should.

I found the link for the raws:

http://mangahelpers.com/m/fatestaynight

Where is Ilya's awesome death?

>>3088039
Who said she dies?
Anyway, probably upcoming arc.

Translation where?

Why do I keep hearing people saying the manga is terrible? As far as I can see only the artwork kind of sucks, the story seems better than the anime and the individual routes of the VN so far.

>>3086856
Archer, keeping his pimp hand strong because his Bitch was in danger.

However, the Tokyopop translation FAILS sometimes.

Archer says "Skeleton Dudes."

I swear to god, he says, "Skeleton Dudes."

You know what would be awesome, in the manga, if they went the Fate U/C route and actually gave Archer a good end for once.

>>3089087
It's supposed to an adaptation of UBW, but it leaves out the most important parts of UBW, like Saber beating on Berserker at the beginning and Caster pulling Shirou to the temple, and replaces them with stuff from Fate and Shirou still hasn't projected Kanshou and Byakuya. I wouldn't be surprised if Dark Sakura shows up later on. I wouldn't mind original content if it was awesome as Akiha burning Ciel's hand all the way to the bone or Roa shooting lightning all over the place, but mashing UBW and Fate together is just lame.

It's too bad, really. The manga has Lancer sparring with Shirou, Souichirou's backstory and a flashback of Taiga back when she was in high school.

>>3089816
Schoolgirl Taiga is so moe!

>>3089816
>Akiha burning Ciel's hand all the way to the bone

Wait, what?

>>3089978
Tsukihime manga has as extra content an Akiha vs Ciel bout.
Also, Roa remembers some of his magic.
A welcomed original adition to the adaptation.

F/SN manga seems to mostly mix more events from all 3 routes.

>>3089992
Has the Tsukihime manga been translated?

>>3090014
Up to chapter 54 or something.

>>3090014
holy dickjackflappings.

>>3090018
57

This was my favourite what-the-fuck moment in the manga.

>>3090051
FUCK YEAH

>>3090075
BUT SUDDENLY

>>3090018
Nevermind, found it on mangafox. But they have up to 57; how many are there total?

>>3090051
Shinji actually fought well against Shirou. AND without resorting to underhand means like taking hostages.

>>3090103
Rider is HUGE.

Is the F/SN manga still on-going?

>>3090110
more than 65, since its not over yet

>>3090135

>>3090111

Fucking manga ruining Shinji's character. ;_;

>>3090152
Ah, if they're here though (correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the point in the Arc route where Shiki, despite being effectively paralyzed, threatens to rape Ciel if she doesn't take him to Arc; she responds with something along the lines of 'I'd like that, but I'll take it in the spirit with which it was said and go help you save Arc') then it shouldn't be too much longer before they hit the end.


Also, whoever did the manga managed to make Ciel just as moe in her 'You don't remember me ;_;' moment as she was in the VN.

>>3090113
Rider's like 5'7 and built like a Brick Shit House. Shiji's what? Like 5'3-5'4 if he's lucky? Still, some of the manga's artwork is special. Like, how the hell do they make Lancer and Archer fugly is beyond me.

Fucking Skeleton Dudes.

It had to get licensed. Dammit. Wish someone would translate it anyway. I want to see this new route...

>>3090454
That's one of the things that's always made me laugh in reading F/SN and Tsukihime. Some characters are described as 'huge and imposing', like Rider and Nero, but then I go look up their height to get a better mental image and it's like 'wait, what? Are Shirou and Shiki midgets?' Rider's 172 cm, and Nero's 188. I mean, what? He's only 6'2"? Really? Sure, there's the whole 'mass of powerful monsters' thing, but his height isn't exactly imposing...

>>3090637
Japan.

>>3087748
I want to buy it, and will post scans if I get it, but I can't find anyplace to buy volume 5. And volume 1,2,3 and 4 are the ones that are on one manga already (up to chapter 17)

>>3090637
6'2" is monstrous if you are Japanese herp derp

>>3090152
dawwwwwwwww

Ciel ;_;

>>3090014
Yes, there's a torrent on demonoid for chapter 1-57.
Look for the 'Dr. Master eats babies' version, that one's a lot cleaner than the older ones

>>3090637
You know what's funny, look up Archer's height. He's 188 (6'2) and he's never described as tall even though he's the tallest Servant after Berserker and he's drawn with really broad shoulders. Yet none of the Servants are described as tall other than Rider.

The FSN is shounen shit. A reinforced woden crap withstanding a NP with Mana Burst? Bullshit.

>>3090710
whats NP

>>3090710
The manga takes various 'artistic' licences for the sake of dramatic effect, including stalling Shirou's use of powers.

At least they got Ayako being bit by Rider down right.

>>3090707
lol sexism

I'm 5'9" and after reading Rider's in-game description (courtesy of Shirou, no less) and her bio, I felt terrible. I've always seen 5'7" as a little over average height for a female but then again lol country of tiny people. Then again, I have a friend who is the same height as Saber and imagining her wielding a huge invisible sword seems more amusing than awesome.

>>3090749
...And they could get it wrong how?
It happens only in UBW, you either include it or not.

>>3090715
Noxious Pussy

>>3090719

In other words, shit.

>>3090715

NipPles.

>>3090751
>mentioning sexism
>"lol"
>implying he's a girl
>implying he has friends

0/10 try harder

>>3090763
Not necessarily.
Some things do not contradict or break the flow.
Besides, Shirou's reinforcements can take down Skeleton Dudes.
And berserker effectively wields stone and goes toe-to-toe.
Or Black Night grabs steel bars and fights.
It's not THAT glaring.

There are bigger concerns.

>>3090766
Be glad I didn't mention my multiple sexual partners. I'm a girl and I have TWO friends. Are you jealous?

This is some good stuff.

>>3090795

>Skeleton Dudes

Reanimated and not comparable to the likes of Excalibur that bent Assassin's sword.

>berserker effectively wields stone and goes toe-to-toe

That "stone" is an artifact that was used to summon Heracles. Its a fucking conceptual weapon.

>Black Night grabs steel bars and fights

Why dont you read Fate/Zero first?

>>3090831
It's just stone from a temple.
The fact that it serves as a catalyst does not make it conceptual.
And I have read F/Z.
Yes, his ability is on a whole different level, since he makes everything an NP.

But it's a weapon reinforced by sorcery, barely withstanding a hit or two even if it's Excalibur is not that glaring an issue.

>But it's a weapon reinforced by sorcery, barely withstanding a hit or two even if it's Excalibur is not that glaring an issue

Yes it is, with all of the hype of it being the world's strongest sword. Even normal blades would be able to cut a reinforced wooden sword.

>>3090877
Being the strongest sword does not mean it just cuts everything under any circumstances. How it hits and how much you put under the strike yadda yadda yadda.
And no, reinforced wooden sword is described as stainless steel.
Not what a simple sword can cut.

And Excalibur's hype is not the 'cutting' power.
It's not what makes the NPs fearful.

>>3090877
>Even normal blades would be able to cut a reinforced wooden sword.
Reinforcement, at Shirou's level, makes a wooden sword as strong as diamond.
So.. no.

>>3090954
Diamond is very resistant compared to gemstones and can be applied for pinpoint cutting, but overall toughness is less then engineered metals.

>>3090954
Yeah, remember that hollow poster Shirou used in the intro? Lancer had absolutely no trouble slicing that thing
Reinforcement has its limitations, that's why he uses projections.

>>3090985
Apart from the original material being a POSTER, unrolling it to a shield stopped the impact of fucking Gae Bolg, even if it was pierced.

Reinforcing uniform jacket was the best.

>stopped the impact of fucking Gae Bolg
Its not like he used his NP or something, a big chunk of plywood might've had the same effect.

>>3091029
It's a fucking cursed spear that kills people just by slipping from Lancer's arms.
It's not like Excalibur fired a fucking beam either.

>It's a fucking cursed spear that kills people just by slipping from Lancer's arms.
Yes, when he activates the skill itself.
Why would he need to activate his sure-kill skill if he's just fighting 'some kid'.
When he attacked Shirou, as far as I know, he just tried poking him a bit.

Even Archer needed Rho Aias to block Lancer's activated Gae Bolga, if Lancer would've used it on Shirou at that moment, he would've died in an instant.

>>3091104
Though to be fair, that was the thrown Gae Bolg that needed Rho Aius. Just an activated stab does the whole 'bending causality' thing that Nasu loves so much, and probably would've bent reality to get around Rho Aius.

>>3085687
>Naru hodo. Kono kata wa...aitsu no han ka!

>I see. That stance you're using...is that guy's stance!

Pidgeon Moon, but effective.

>>3092359
What is that stance?

>>3091104
No. It's part of the legend. Cuchulain died, his lance slid of his hands and killed a guy. And it was aiming to hit him, by a Servant in a good shape. A stab is a stab, by fucking lancer wielding a cursed spear. As for the 'effect' attack, well DUH.
>>3091247
A prepped shield of decent rank concept and high mana output can stop Gae Bolg's causality cheating.
It's not as much power vs power, as it's mystery vs mystery.

>>3087886
>Many licensed things get uploaded.
Hardly that many. Licensing is a bitch and blocks a lot of good stuff.

>>3090877
Excalibur is boasted as the strongest sword for the ability of the sheath, not its attack power. There are plenty of swords in Nasuverse that do far more damage than Beamscalibur.

Also, reread on reinforcement and Noble Phantasm rankings--I don't doubt manga took artistic license, but A reinforced anything should be able to hold off a NP of high caliber for a little bit. The rankings aren't about power, after all.

>>3092392
It's Archer's basic stance for Kanshou & Bakuya. Lancer recognized it from their first fight. He's pointing out that Shirou's duplicated Archer's fighting style.

>Reinforcement, at Shirou's level, makes a wooden sword as strong as diamond.

No. He's still mundane as all hell. His reinforcements aren't that powerful--his projections, on the other hand, are. He hasn't trained in reinforcing advancement, which is where his Broken Phantasm abilities come from.

>>3092467
> plenty of swords in Nasuverse that do far more damage than Beamscalibur.
What? I can only think of two. Ea and HAX Emperor.

>>3092539
sword in tree

>>3092515
Thats more of a revolver technique

>>3092393
Rho Aias's power isn't as a Divine Mystery/Noble Phantasm, it's as a Conceptual Weapon (Blocks all range attacks). And Gae Bolg actually broke through it completely, despite being at a standstill in the end. On top of that, this was Archer being fed mana from Caster, and HE was wrecked shit after the fact, too.

>>3092549
Gram was only more powerful than Caliburn do to being it's "root", it itsn't more powerful than Excalibur.

>>3092467
It's actually described as the strongest holy sword, sheath notwithstanding.
>>3092532
Wooden sword=stainless steel, IIRC somewhere in the VN.
>>3092549
Compared to Caliburn only, no other knowledge of.

>>3092578
Game says it's the strongest demonic sword equaling the strongest holy sword(Excalibur). Also cocks.

>>3092539
In terms of explosive power/beamspam, Ea, Slash Emperor, and Zelretch top Excalibur. In terms of sword use, Gram, Dulindal, a few of the blades the Dead Apostles tote around, Dansleif, and Arlondite come to mind.

>>3092621
Zelretch really doesn't count though as "LOL2ndSORCERY"

>>3092595
It's in the Fate Route and UBW route--he can harden objects to be as good as reinforced steel, but that's his limit. Proper training, he'll be able to do things like Archer's Caladbolg, but he's nowhere near that level in any route save HF.

>>3092638
Ea uses superheated wind that rips space/time, and is sourced at the beginning of heaven and earth.

Excalibur uses prana into an unstoppable tower of light from the realm of fairies.

Zelretch uses prana and sorcery from the Second magic to do what the user needs it to.

Only one of these fell Type-Moon, so I'd say it's perfectly fine to count it as a haxbeam sword.

>>3092644
However, HF Shirou reaches his peak during the route due to having Archer's Arm. Afterwards he can become an average magus only due to not having UBW.

>>3092664
inb4 Zelretch can kill ORT/servants.

>>3092621
Ea wins in Beamspam since it slashes.
Zelretch swords single beam is not stronger. About as strong a strong blast.
Gram gets no details that make it seem better.
Arondite is as good, but instead of beams, raises the stats of the bearer.
Durandal is not better, since Excalibur is described as the strongest holy sword.
Dansleif is never used and has vague properties.
And the DAs do have demonic swords, but nothing is mentioned that surpasses the sword forged by the planet.
You seriously underestimate the sword.

>>3092664
We don't know how did Zelretch kill mr.Brunestud.
Why would the wielder of Second Magic need something he built whenever that does a limited application?
>>3092683
Zelretch can do everything, is the natural conclusion.

>>3092705
inb4 "Shiki can kill Zelretch"

>>3092664

The Gem Sword isn't what solely made Zelretch's victory. Additionally, the Gem Sword doesn't DO anything. It just is a portal for infinite mana, it doesn't actually do beamspam (that was Rin casting the mana in a generic burst of energy).

Also, Nasu has stated that the whole fight against Crimson Brunestud was a ridiculously huge fluke in Zelretch's favor.

>>3092726
He pushed the fucking moon back afterward, so fluke or not, I doubt many could do it either way.

Is the Lancer vs. Archer Rho Aias fight still in the manga?

>>3092741
Shiki could kill the moon to stop it from falling.

>>3092851
If it's not, I'd rage.

>>3092859
It's too fucking high to reach it. And he'd die from pressure/environmental disasters if it got close.

Thus, he has to search for four mysterious beings that could possibly lift him up...

>>3093236
Oh god, not this again.

>>3093236
What if he mans a canon that can shoot a huge knife?

>>3093247
He's alluding to how anon made a Tsukihime Style Majora's Mask.

>>3093247
Has to be melee/hand to hand.
Otherwise, everything he looked upon would fall apart at some point.
Only he can perceive and realize death.

>>3092859
>>3093236
>>3093238

AKIHA IS PIERRE, THE SCARECROW.

http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/2716932#p2717216

>>3093247
We're talking about the death of an entire planetoid here. Shiki's hurt badly enough just by seeing the points of a building. He'd die before he could pull the trigger (though, of course, his intent would carry on through his body despite his mind being long gone or some such nonsense (and then, of course, Arc or Ciel would find some way to bring him back (Not Akiha, Kohaku, or hisui because for Shiki to destroy the moon he has to hit the Near Side))).

>Has to be melee/hand to hand.
Actually, was that ever mentioned?
I thought they just said that only Shiki could do it, because it'd be too inaccurate if he told someone else where the lines/points are.

>>3093265
>>3093256
>>3093247
Shiki does a suicide launch from the fucking canon!
Before he reaches the target, his brains is about to burst and overloaded, and cannot perceive anything else but death.

What was that doujinshi again where Shiki actually saw the point of death of the entire universe?

>>3093274
It's not about it being accurate.
Only Shiki understands the effect and can realize it.
Otherwise, people would scratch their nose and lose half their head at times possibly, or really have a bad shaving accident.

>>3093274
You need to percieve the points/lines to affect them.

>>3093279
Horobi no Akehoshi.

>>3092851
Yes. The manga loves Lancer.

>>3093332
>Everyone loves Lancer.
fixed

>>3093400
Obligatory

MOTHERFUCKING Lancer. That badass came in to rescue Rin, fucking bitchslapped Matou Shinji across the room (and admit it, you were fucking waiting for that shit to happen the entire route), and then mouthed off against the King of Heroes.

And as if that wasn't fucking enough, Kotomine used a command spell to make him Gae Bolg HIMSELF, piercing himself straight through the fucking heart, and what does Lancer do? Die like a little bitch?

FUCK NO

He fucking kills Kotomine Kirei; THE Kotomine Kirei. Now then, he's earned his rest, right? I mean, he fucked over a major villain despite having his heart stabbed by a fucking Noble Phantasm. It's enough, right?

Fucking WRONG!

Matou Shinji starts fucking with Rin again, and Lancer's like, "bitch, step the fuck away from my woman." And this fucking half-dead servant scares that little fucker so much that he has no choice but to run away.

And then he makes his own funeral pyre to burn in, all while wondering what it would've been like to bang Rin just like she deserved.

Finally, as if all of this wasn't enough, the ashes of his pyre also dirty Gilgamesh, striking one last blow. His motherfucking funeral ashes cause the King of Heroes to suffer indignity. Even posthumously he pisses off that golden-haired faggot.

Holy shit, Lancer is awesome.

>>3093400
Well, in the afterward of the first volume, the manga-ka admitted that their favorite character was Lancer.

>>3093468
A true bro.

>>3093418
No chance for that in the manga though. Oh well, at least we get Lancer as Shirou's new haremette. Here he's eating the food Rin cooked for Shirou, how sweet.

>>3093479
Fancy Lancer is Fancy?

>>3093479
Well, Heroes just need more food. Can't blame the guy.

>>3093479
Speaking of Rin, has Shirou fucked anybody yet in the manga?

>>3093632
No.

>>3085721
Wait, what? Lancer is living at Shirou's? Christ what kind of route is this?

>>3093654
True Bro route.

>>3093656
Is Kotomine still his master?

>>3093662
No idea.

>>3093479
Hahah, Lancer's all like, "Your cooking's pretty good, [insert your personal translation for jyo-chan]. Are you and that guy involved? (the pinkie thing) It must be nice to eat good food cooked by the hands of your lover."

And, of course, Rin's her usual, "WE AREN'T LIKE THAT!"

>>3093662
Yes. Lancer hasn't reveal his Master's identity yet.

>>3093692
Usual?
She only says it once in the VN.

>>3093418
Fuck yes. You added the addendum about his ashes dirtying Gilgamesh.

It's now officially perfect.

>>3093654
The best route.

>>3093728
That wasn't me, actually.
Must've been the Anon I saved this from.

So what happens when Shirou wakes up in the middle of the night and find Lancer and Rin having hot mana transfer?

>>3093773
He praises Lancer for his good work and he'll ask him if he wants something to drink.

>>3093773
Lancer, like the true bro he is, puts in another coin so Shirou can hit the 2P button and join his game.

>>3093732
Hahahaha! Lancer will be Lancer alright.

That said, where did you get that page? Could you throw out a link?

>>3093776
You are wrong sir. Shirou slaps Lancer, then threatens Rin to not touch his Lancer ever again.

>>3093876
Seconded

>>3089816
Flashback? You mean this scene?

>>3093732
Source of the translation? I thought they stopped translating the raws at 17.

>>3090891
>And Excalibur's hype is not the 'cutting' power
Ummm, Yes it is. It is known both as the sword of promised victory which gave victory to the side who had in no matter what, kind of like Hrunting.
Now this ability wasn't really something that Nasu could have included in his story if he wanted a story with Excalibur at all.
But it was also known for being a sword able to cut "Anything"
If we go by myth cannon.
Gram was able to cut through the hardest of metals.
Caliburn was able cut through the mountain tops. (as in a whole line of mountain tops as if one where to cut all the mountain tops seen in the horizon)
Excalibur, the sword was known to be able to cut through "ANYTHING" and even be able to slash through the sky.

It is common for myths to be exaggerated after time and this is a clear example of that.

Now while this isn't necessarily completely cannon to Nasus works it is pretty correct. It is just that Nasu included something about powers from legends and myths such which I believe he called "Mystical Rank" or something. The further away something is from the original the more minus points it gets, the more fame and the stronger it abilities were the more plus points it gets. Apparently most things were weaker than the originals but there were exceptions like how Gae Bolg was in fact more powerful than the original Gugnir.

>>3095565
So it is basically like
Gram was an awfully powerful sword no minus points.
Caliburn was an even more awfully powerful sword but it wasn't the original so it turned out weaker anyway.
Excalibur was a sword on such a level that it still turned out to become the strongest and had gained its conceptual ability of being able to "Cut anything" that beam of light is actually an extended slash.

Canon Excalibur when activated as a noble phantasm (aka mana blast) is able to cut through anything. And there is nothing who is able to block it except Avalon which mystical rank outranks Excalibur’s and Ea who was able to deflect Excalibur thanks to it outranking Excalibur with its mystical rank also.

And it isn't that weird that Ea outranks Excalibur either as Nasu have made it to be some kind of bodyfication of the Mesopotamian creation myth which was basically a big slash through the world and existence in its whole. Kind of like how he made "Avalon" the sheath the bodyfication of "Avalon" the island even though there really weren't any connection. And Avalon were actually regarded as some kind of heavenly paradise on earth. A realm that exceeds ours. So it isn't really that weird that Avalon outranks both of them since it is basically the bodyfication of the Christian paradise which outranks our own world.

Excalibur strong point was its cutting power even in the Nasuverse.

So exactly how different is the manga from the visual novel?

The manga is shit right?

>>3095948
Too many to list.

>>3095565

>Caliburn was able cut through the mountain tops. (as in a whole line of mountain tops as if one where to cut all the mountain tops seen in the horizon)

I am fairly certain you are confusing Caliburn (the Sword in the Stone, not famous for much other than being pulled out) with Caladbolg (famed for cleaving off the tops of hills).

>>3096477
Manga = VN > Anime, for now.

We'll see how it goes once the manga ends and the movie gets animated.

>>3095567

Avalon does not "outrank" Enuma Elish. They're both "rank" EX attacks (EX is literally "incalculable" rank). Avalon as a defense is merely absolute, not even Sorceries (i.e. that which is impossible) can break the victory bestowed by Excalibur's sheath.

Speaking of.
>>3095565

>It is known both as the sword of promised victory which gave victory to the side who had in no matter what

No. Excalibur would NOT grant victory. In words (which is what Nasu used word-FOR-word), "he who holds Excalibur's sheath will never fall in battle". The sheath, which in the Nasuverse is called Avalon, was what made the "victory" come about. The sword was just "Ex-calibur" ("Steel-cutter") and was able to cut opponent's swords in two.

Win

>>3096523
Rin's breasts are supposed to be perky.

>>3096530
She's wearing clothes that she wore when she was a child. You would expect her chest to be sticking out a lot.

>>3096538
Point is, they look kinda saggy there.

>>3096477

It's shit. Too shounen for my mature taste. Anyone who disagree is underaged and likes Bleach in his Cooking VN.

>>3092467

Concept means everything in stuff like magical/mythical. A++ Ranked NP vs Shitty Reinforced Wooden Sword. I'll give you a hint. Gil's prototype sword destroyed Shirou's projection because they were inferior to it's rank.

>>3096494
Caliburn and Caladbolg are really swords from the exact same myth.
It is only spelled differently because brittain had lots of different languages who were very different.

>No. Excalibur would NOT grant victory. In words (which is what Nasu used word-FOR-word), "he who holds Excalibur's sheath will never fall in battle". The sheath, which in the Nasuverse is called Avalon, was what made the "victory" come about. The sword was just "Ex-calibur" ("Steel-cutter") and was able to cut opponent's swords in two.

You have mixed your legends mixed up bro. And if you are implying that "Ex-calibur" Means "Steel-cutter" then I laugh at you. Excalibur is derrived from many different names from many different languages from many different generations. It sounded nothing like Excalibur at first and Excalibur does not mean Steel Cutter.
And the thing about "victory" thing. The the one who had the sheath on him wouldn't fall in battle and that in itself should be enough to win really. But the thing about the swords reaasured victory comes more from Brittain folklore rather than Arthurian Legends.
It wasn't really the sword itself who granted victory by its own powers magically like that but it was said that the "side" with "Excalibur" on its "side" would "win".

Have you ever heard about the norse sword Hrunting? The sword who couldn't fail but failed the "hero" anyway because the one who made the sword wanted it to fail him after he had gained trust in the sword?
It was basically the sword who won no matter what but became the hero's death because of its betrayal.
Now Excalibur was basically the sword who couldn't fail, and who didn't have the "flaw" that Hrunting had.

>>3096723
I correct myself.
>Caliburn and Caladbolg could very well be swords from the exact same myth.
>It is only spelled differently because brittain had lots of different languages who were very different.

There are lots of historians who believe that.

>>3096730
Either way, they are all related.

>>3096723

>And if you are implying that "Ex-calibur" Means "Steel-cutter" then I laugh at you

The famous line attributed to the Lady of the Lake.
"Excalibur, that is as to say as Cut-steel."
Not literally "Excalibur = steel cutter", however the legends do state that Excalibur cut other blades to pieces when matched.

>And the thing about "victory" thing. The the one who had the sheath on him wouldn't fall in battle and that in itself should be enough to win really

Well, except for obviously the Battle of Camlann, where Arthur fought with Excalibur but not the Sheath. The sheath is not the sword and the sword can be wielded without the sheath, thereby it's a rather important detail as to which one assures your victory.

>>3096765
>however the legends do state that Excalibur cut other blades to pieces when matched.
This is true, it was very famous for that. But it was alsofamous for cutting trough basically everything else as well, it is just that cutting through the enemies swords have a lot more meaning. Lets not forget the sword's metaphoric meaning.
A sword is basically your tool in order to meet your ideal.
The sword is the road you walk down in order to reach your goal.
Some poets even described swords themselves as ideals.

And lets not forget that these legends have mainly survived thanks to poems. To break your opponents sword actualy has a symbolic meaning of already winning. Even though that may seem pretty obvious because the opponents is lacking its weapon but the symbolic meaning remains because it is special.
The nick name steel cutter actually comes from it cutting its enemies swords but truth be told it has nothing to do with the name.

>Well, except for obviously the Battle of Camlann
Well of course, that is the exception.
But that truly is an exception, it was no ordinary battle it was Arthurs own kingdom rebelling against him.
There have been many poems about Arthurs mental conflict in that battle.

>>3096855

>A sword is basically your tool in order to meet your ideal.
>The sword is the road you walk down in order to reach your goal.
>Some poets even described swords themselves as ideals.

>>3096855
And if we would be to look at the legends some more and take the symbollic meaning in regard as well there are actually quite lots of stuff that becomes clearer. Which might not be that surprising as I have already said, it was basically the poets who held the legends alive.

For an example. While the symbolic meaning of the sword as an ideal have been very special and has also been feutured in lots of poetry. The symbolic meaning of the shield was actually greater.
The shield while it may not make you meet your ideal, the shield protected as what was seen as truly important, lives. It was seen as even if victory may have appeared as the most important thing people shouldn't forget that their lives are more important than their goals.
And it has also been said that the shield is able to protect the ideals themselves. And it is exactly this that is quite interesting if we put it up to against the final pieces of the Arturian Legends.
Excaliburs sheath basically shared the same symbolic meaning as the shield, together with the armor and so on.
And without the sheath Arthur wasn't able to protect his ideal at the battle of Camlann were he fought his own people. And it was basically this that Merlin scolded him at, saying that even that sword would fail he would only rely on it.

>>3096892
This is actually a bit funny.
But I am actually positive that Nasu must have known that when he made his story.

Otherwise, coincidences sure can be funny.
But seriously, he probably knew it since Nasu actually know a thing or few about poetry.

Not to piss off any Nasu fans but Nasu isn't really that good of a writer as how one should write things for it appear the most appealing and for it not to be "hard" to read. He was quite good at other stuff though which must be the reason for why his works are actually as famous as they are.
Shounen bull-shit aside, I actually still think that they would sell pretty good.

>>3096920
His focus on works is anything but Shounen Action, and most people agree that while his writing has problems, his world setting, mechanics and designs have for the most part a good structure and amount of though(partly, that's why people assume F/SN is nothing but action shounen, due to the elaborate battle mechanics and structure, even though there are 2 fights per 20 hours).
Good ideas, not that good writing.
Whether he aimed for the specific result or coincidence, is irrelevant in the end.

>>3096930
Agreed.

>isn't really that good of a writer as how one should write things for it appear the most appealing and for it not to be "hard" to read

My english grammar parses raised an exception there.

isn't really that good of a writer as how he wasn't that good at how one should write things so that they appear the most appealing and for it not to be "hard" to read

I am tired ok...

Dude, I have always thought of poetry being all flowers and all that but this stuff is actually pretty deep.

Poetry, deep, deep poetry in my VNs, what the fuck have I been reading /jp/?

>>3097058

You know the original use of the word "epic" is in reference to Epic Poems.

I left this thread and now this thread have apperantly evolved into some kind of deep discussion about things.
>>3096905
>The symbolic meaning of the shield was actually greater

I did notice that Shirou once reffered to Aias as Archers greatest Noble Phantasm.
I could have misread that though but still.
I actually found that quite interesting considering Archers unlimited blade works and how it contains an unlimited ammount of swords and even swords such as Excalibur.
Is this because of the Shields > Swords thing?
Like as if Aias was supposed to protect their ideal or something?

>>3097174

Ajax's Shield is a double-meaning Phantasm, as in the Iliad, he used it to steadfastly protect his half-brother Teucer, who was an archer.

>Not to piss off any Nasu fans but Nasu isn't really that good of a writer as how one should write things for it appear the most appealing and for it not to be "hard" to read. He was quite good at other stuff though which must be the reason for why his works are actually as famous as they are.

I thought that Nasu was more or less known for the huge world he created.