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Another Umineko thread?

Reported, get the fuck out.

48 hour chess tournament then the mansion explodes. Nothing is explained.

>The other theory about the red text limiting the number of kakera that the particular gameboards also seem very likely.
What?

>I believe that the shannon= kannon and the reverse theory will be destroyed.

I really want this to happen. And I want Battler to see both of them at the same fucking time, in a non-magic scene. Just to piss everyone off.

I never believed Kannon to be Shannon in the first place.

Where the fuck are you going with your silly theory, /jaypeeee/?

there are two kanons
one of them is named battler and crossdresses into shannon

Shannon = Kannon is /jp/'s equivalent of the small bombs theory

Out of all the theories, I want Jessitrice to happen.

Where did this theory of Shannon=Kanon come from?

So the whole point of shannon = kannon Theory is that battler thinks that kannon dresses as shannon and then plant small bombs?

>>3082345
Battler never seeing both of them at the same time.
The only time they ever appear together is when they're on their own together, in a magic scene, or with Genji.

I'm hoping for some Genji x Nanjo

>>3082306
I don't think this happens on different Kakera. Beatrice isn't a voyager. She's probably using her powers to repeat the events.

>>3082353
they also have extremely alike faces. when battler is around Kanon speaks very little and it is shown that he is unusually weak for a guy, both could mean it's really a girl pretending to be a guy.

This is a terrible theory. But, the worst things with terrible theories is that with sufficient evidence, and if you're in a particular mood, the theories to you, will probably make some kind of sense.

Goddammit.

>>3082360
but she can't claim Kanon's name. So whenever he tells his "Kanon" name, it's himself.

>shannon= kannon
Were they really never on the same scene together with Battler?

>>3082368
What if Kannon's real name is Shannon?

Does Battler hear anything about Shannon's Sayo name?

Is there anything against this theory?
Because this pretty much makes sense

The worst part about the Shannon=Kanon theory, is that I could see Ryukishi actually doing that.

>>3082399
I don't like this theory, purely because it could turn everything else upside-down. If you can't trust the fact that two characters are meeting each other out of Battler's vision, what can you trust?

I hope Ryukishi upgrades to 800x600 or higher with Ep5. Is there any reason VNs stil lrun at 640x480?

>>3082341
It's not /jp/'s theory though, the Japanese came up with it first.

I don't even get the point of Shannon = Kanon. Sure it opens up room for a person x, but what then?

Battler finally learned how to fight Beatrice without relying on an unknown person in episode 4, why bring it back?

I suspect for ep 5 will prove that eva wasn't the "main" killer in ep 3.

>>3082410
Lower res art is easier to draw.

But I thought 800x600 was the modern standard for VNs. I'd generally expect doujin works to lag behind.

>>>/rs/Kanon=Shannon
>>>/rs/the_true_number_of_people_on_this_island_is_16!

>>3082430
God dammit use spoiler tags

>>3082449
Don't read Umineko threads about ep 5 then?

>>3082449
>>browsing /jp/ without playing all 4 eps of umineko first

>>3082464
>> Is a faggot.

I bet Rukioshi will troll us by having both October 4th and 5th will have no murders or anything and they all live normally..... Until the last hour where everyone dies through different means and all in closed rooms.

>>3082493
>Rukioshi

Wasn't there a part in episode 2 when beatrice said in red that kanon was dead when 'shannon' was still alive?

>>3082497
My keyboards fucked the 'o' button worse than the rest.

>>3082449
You're reading an Episode 5 speculation thread without having even played Episode 3? What the fuck?

Episode 1 killer is Kanon
Episode 2 killer is Shanon

Prove me wrong.

>>3082511
The Kannon personality could have died.
While the Shannon and Beatrice personality stayed alive.

>>3082511
Yes. Later she said that the killed Kanon is the only one that can use the name "Kanon".

I believe that Kyrie will be revealed to be Battler's mom and that the other Battler is already dead, putting an end to those theories.

I believe Kannon = Shannon will finally be confirmed.

Shit will hit the fan. Somehow.

>3082511
"Kanon was killed in this room"
Doesn't say anything about when he was killed

>>3082511
>Kanon was killed in this room
Doesn't say anything about when he was killed

>>3082511
No.
http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Text

Jessica is the "true Battler" (Asumu's daughter)
Battler is Kyrie's son.
That was Rudolph's scheme.

>>3082531
Kyrie being Battler's mom would explain what the fuck happened at episode 4 end.
She couldn't kill him so she suicided. Battler suicides later because he doesn't want take the death sentence.

Why could Kanon have been killed in Jessica's room, of all places?

>>3082546
Ushiromiya Battler. I will now... kill you.
And right now, there is no one other than you on this island.
The only one alive on this island is you.
Nothing outside the island can interfere.
You are all alone on this island.
And of course, I am not you.
Yet I am here, now, and will kill you.
Not a suicide

>>3082553
Jessica is a culprit. Kanon tried to stop her.

Hopefully Rosa lives a bit longer this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaAIcILYnxk

>>3082566
What.

Jessica, let me tell you my true name.

...Sayo.


Oh wow. Poor Jessica.

>>3082560
>Jessica being a culprit

Jessitrice.

>>3082558
Beatrice is a super computer who shoots golden spears. Battler found it and it fucking exploded at his face.

Kannon = Umineko's Rika.

>>3082636
I don't think he'll play that big of a role, but I see him being piece Battler's biggest ally in the answer arcs.

In the beginning of Episode 2, only Kanon and Shannon can see Beatrice. Why would Kanon be able to see her? Shannon is the one who fervently believes in her and wants her wish to come true.

Kanon is not Shannon. This theory will be put to rest.

Jessica's real mother is revealed to be Asumu.

Battler will use occam's razor.

>>3082636

Then who is Umineko's Hanyuu?

>>3082685

the new loli.

god i hope that isn't it.

>>3082691

>>3082685

Beatrice. People worship her, she's invisible, talks to only Kanon and Shannon, and rewinds time when everyone dies!

>>The other theory about the red text limiting the number of kakera that the particular gameboards also seem very likely.

please explain this

>>3082711
Play the VN son.

>>3082711
Beatrice is Umineko's Hanyuu and she helps Battler find the truth and save his familiy.

Nothing in Umineko is real. It was all a dream that a small bomb was having.

>>3082648
>I don't think he'll play that big of a role, but I see him being piece Battler's biggest ally in the answer arcs.

Really?

>>3082770
Is it that odd of a thought? I believe he's working against the culprit.

>>3082636
When did Kanon become a loli?

And we have no reason to think he really knows about the other game boards outside the fantasy side.

>>3082345
> Where did this theory of Shannon=Kanon come from?
It came from 2ch.
So gaijins seem not to understand for what this theory is required.

I believe none of /jp/ noticed themselves that they never appear in front of Battler.

>>3082406
> If you can't trust the fact that two characters are meeting each other out of Battler's vision, what can you trust?
If you trust that two characters are meeting each other out of Battler's vision, it will mean you don't trust red text and what Battler saw and narrated.
He saw a woman whose face is same as the portrait. And there are no more than 18 people in Rokkenjima.

Which do you believe?
1) non-Battler's narration.
2) Battler's narration and red text.

>>3082765
Camera pulls away showing an autistic small bomb staring at a small bomb globe filled with small bombs.

By the way, finally Ryuukishi07 announced they finished EP5.

Battler has seen Kanon and Shannon at the same time

In the episode 1 tea party

>>3082863
Yeah, and he also sees magical bunny girls and a fabulous demon butler.

Kanon = Shannon theory was born for making conditions for believing particular scenes.
It makes Battler's narration "pure".

If you don't have this theory, you won't be able to have any conditions for believing scenes, except red text. And we can't get the answer by only red text.
In this case, all you can do is to regard a scene you like as real without a reason.

>>3082558
It all makes sense now. Beatrice is the small bomb who kills Battler in the end.

>>3082896
I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying if you don't believe the Shannon = Kanon theory, then you have to accept that there's something worng with Battler's narration?

>>3082863

>>3082944
lol CRT screen.

>>3082971
What are you loling at? Best image quality monitors are CRTs.

GODDAMN U FAGGOTS
KANON IS NOT SHANNON

I think one of the pics for Ep5 had Ronove asking Battler if he had find it interesting to have checked the Master's memories, or something like that. I think Battler will check Beato's past and we'll get to know Beato's true identity, and why there's more than one Beato.

Personally, I think Beato is made by the human Beato, the one created by the rumours in Rokkenjima, the one created by Maria, the game Beato, and perhaps some more. Once you merge them all, you get the Golden Witch that exists in the Meta-World.

I wonder if we'll get to know who Battler really is. There's the bit about the guy from the shipwreck.

>>I really want this to happen. And I want Battler to see both of them at the same fucking time, in a non-magic scene. Just to piss everyone off.

I read that as

>>I want to see Battler fucking both of them at the same time in a non-magic scene.

I'd definitely like to see that.

>>3082918
Yes. Battler saw Beatrice, who had the same face as the portrait. He understood it BY HER FACE, although her clothes were different from the portrait.
As long as you believe Battler's narration, she have to be an unknown person, not Jessica, Shannon and other women that Battler has already known.
But at the same time, the number of people in Rokkenjima have to be 17 or lower.
It means, you somehow have to reduce the number of people.

>>3082406 said "what can you trust?", but this question should be asked those who refuse this theory.
I wonder what they can believe.
They sometimes believe Battler's narration. They sometimes don't believe Battler's narration. They sometimes believe non-Battler's narration. They sometimes don't believe non-Battler's narration....

I still think that the Beatrice of '86 is a persona of Jessica's.

>>3083017
When you say he saw Beatrice's face, are you referring to the end of episode 1, or the Beatrice on the balcony in episode 4?

>>3083017
>you somehow have to reduce the number of people.
Wasn't this done by saying that Kinzo is dead in the beginning of every game?

>>3083017
>As long as you believe Battler's narration, she have to be an unknown person, not Jessica, Shannon and other women that Battler has already known.

Perhaps, someone other than Kinzo was dead from the very beginning, and the human Beatrice is posing as that person.

>>3083028
Yes, but the limit was lowered as well. It was '18 people or less' before that.

>>3083020
>the Beatrice on the balcony in episode 4

He most likely meant this. Beatrice herself said that was the first time she and Battler met on the game board.

>>3083030
If the culprit is actually the "mystery killer X" or "Beatrice", I'll cry myself to sleep. It needs to be one of the 17 people by mystery standards.

>>3083037
But he just said that Beatrice is one of those 17. Isn't that enough?

>>3083037

The killer is Battler, the detective is Beatrice. You heard it here first.

>>3083048

The reason why Rudolf thought that he was going to die in the first game was because he realized that Jessica knew about her relationship with him and that she had a dangerous grudge toward him.
Since he thought that she was only targeting him, he didn't say anything, perhaps he wanted to amend for his past by himself.
If he knew that someone was targeting the whole family, he would have at least told everything to Kyrie and Battler.

the seagulls are the killers
you are now breathing manualy

>>3083059
Fascinating.

>>3083048
I think it'd be funnier if this was planned by Battler and (human) Beato. (That's his sin, and thus, he didn't directly do anything to Beato.) However, for some reason, he got his memories wiped. This is why Beato asked him about himself, and took his answer seriously even if his sin wasn't related to her. Beato tried to erase him, so that he wouldn't have to remember that sin.

>>3083065
SHIT WAS SO DEATH NOTE

>>3083084
I actually thought of Eden of the East when I came up with that idea, but I guess Death Note works better.

>>3082306
I know I'm gonna sound like a retard, but what are kakera exactly?

>>3083105
Shards.

>>3083105
Kakera
Literally “fragment” or “piece”. This word has quite a certain meaning due to the use of it and its direct link with Higurashi no Naku Koro ni.
This word represents the worlds in the “Naku Koro ni” series: the kakera are the “dimensions” or “worlds”, numerous and scattered in an alternative universe, where fate and probabilities can be visualized.

From Episode 1 grimoire.

>>3083105
Llamas

>>3083120
Fuck you, I laughed so hard it set me into a coughing fit.

>>3083105
>what are kakera exactly

Just think of them as realities/dimensions. Each game is a different reality.
In R7's games these realities are named shards (kakera).

>>3083120
Explain the joke

>>3083120
>Llamas
Look how dumb you are. Alpacas, it's alpacas.

>>3083138

>>3083134
>>3083119
>>3083115
That's what I thought, thanks for clarifying that.

>>3083148
Entire mansion is llamas?

>>3083148
>>3083120
HOW DOES A LLAMA KNOW WHAT CLOTHING IS

>>3083145
I just wanted to post it and am up way too early so I wasn't thinking, my bad.

I don't understand Pixiv's obsession with alpacas. It's the same two fucking alpacas all the time. Did they show up in some advertisement, or something? Someone's profile image was even Bronove as one. I nearly died.

>>3083203
>Battler and Beato having a friendly chat.jpg

Beatrice the human exists outside the 17, but she is not the culprit.

Beatrice the Alpaca is the true culprit.

>>3083224
Yeah, well, that's just your opinion, man.

>>3083203

I, as a southamerifag that doesn't know shit about Japan, demands an explanation...

>>3083238
Same here.

>>3083203

It's not technically an alpaca what they are obsessing over.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grass_Mud_Horse

>>3083262
Ouch. I feel rather ignorant now.

Thanks for clearing that up though, I was horribly confused for the past several months.

>>3083262
sounima? how does that tie in with umineko?

bump for i also wanna know