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Circumstantial evidence at best.
Also seen it before countless times.

NEW AND EXCITING.

>>3077478
>>3077483

Don't witches transcend time?

The game Bernkastel won could very well be the game they're playing right now.

Genji is Beatrice.

>>3077494
I'm sorry, I don't understand.

>>3077483
"Sometimes the first duty of intelligent men is the restatement of the obvious."

Kotomine is Genji

HOLY SHIT OP THANK YOU FOR THE INFO, YOU CAN NOW START EPISODE 2. ALSO WHILE YOU READ BE SURE TO REMEMBER THAT KINZO IS ALREADY DEAD. OH AND BEATRICE TROLLS BATTLER ALL ALONG IN EPISODE 3, IT'S ALL A BIG LIE. AND ANGE DIES.

Holy shit, that explains why "Lambdadelta" and "Miyo" both mean "34"

>>3077496
Oh god, thinking about this makes my head hurt.

>>3077471
So that reverses the theory that Bern is made from Rika. According to this theory Bern made Rika. I'll bite, there's enough evidence to link the two.

Then what piece is hanyuu?

>>3077503
use spoiler tags next time

>>3077509
what exactly do you mean by "lambdadelta" means 34? what significance does 34 hold?

>>3077527
>use spoiler tags next time

Spoiler tags? For something that was released months ago? I don't think so Tim.

>>3077503
>KINZO IS ALREADY DEAD

holy shit read slower and pay attention for a change

damn ADHD kids

>>3077527
In greek, Lambda means 30 or 3 can't recall which. And Delta means 4.

>>3077532
I think so

>>3077516
Hanyuu probably belongs to the world of gods. They talk about it in episode 4, when Beatrice gives life to Sakutarou.

>>3077538
oh ok

>>3077496
34 ÷ 0 = ?????????

>>3077516
No. Bern was created from Rika.

>>3077538
This, lambda means 30.
And the kanji for Miyo's name was the same kanji as the number 34.
Her adoptive father's name spelled out '12', so it made 12-34 in Higurashi.

>>3077538
30. Γ is 3.

Thank you captain obvious.

>>3077538
>>3077547
Can't tell if trolling. Someone not trolling would be too much of a retard.

when takano was in that orphanage during her childhood, she created an alter ego called lambdadelta being beaten and raped, just like rika created bernkastel while hanyu was reviving her over and over just to get killed again by takano.

you heard it here first.

>>3077471
THIS

To all those of you who write shity and complex essays about Bernkastel and Rika. All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words. Fucking weaboos.

when takano was in that orphanage during her childhood, being beaten and raped, she eventually snapped and created an alter ego called lambdadelta, just like rika created bernkastel while hanyu was reviving her over and over just to get killed again by takano.

you heard it here first.

>>3077608
1/10

>>3077471
That would make sense if Lambdadelta and Bernkastel weren't like Beatrice and merely metaphorical representations of rules imposed upon the real world and their connection to Higurashi weren't just a construct by Battler who has read the story.

>>3077608
>being beaten and raped

Would make a good doujin, I require one

>>3077608
Just in case someone falls for this, Bern is not Rika's alter ego and ΛΔ preexisted Takano and simply lent the latter her power.

>>3077636
Higurashi is sfw, nothing sexual ever appears in it, but we all know she and the chiildren there got raped.

>>3077625
Please use simple words.

>>3077645
[citation needed]

>>3077654
Lambdadelta and Bernkastel aren't real, stupid.

>>3077662
Ah, thank you.

>>3077471
you're wrong my good friend because of this.
>>3077608
>>3077554
Long story short, Lambda and Bernie where once Takano and Rika before the end of Kai and the Dice Killer Chapter. This explained the game and similarities between the characters. Also the game was started by Hanyuu's reset buttion which she use to insure the continuation of her family tree that Rika is a part of

>>3077777
Wrong. Read ΛΔ's diary. She existed long before Takano.

And Hanyuu plans to pass on after Rika dies. She only did the memory transfers because she didn't want Rika to die so young.

>>3077792
After Rika's children is born. Also, explain Lambda's relationship to Takano.

>>3077471

>>3077803
Like he said, read the damn diary.

>>3077803
Hanyuu doesn't care about her family line. What evidence do you have that she does?

Read this:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2214696&postcount=1009

>>3077777
that is true for bern, but not for lambda.
she existed before takano. If you read Lambdelta's diary, you will know that. You can almost be sure, the little girl who asked for the wish of absolute success in her efforts was takano.

>>3077803
How many times have people said this? Takano wished for 100% certainty that her goal would word and Lambda granted that wish.

>>3077829
>>3077828
So long story short, its actually a war between Lamba and Hanyuu, with Bernie (as Higurashi's Rika) and Takano as a game piece. Or there never a game to begin with, and just a fight for survival on Bernie's an Hanyuu's part.

>>3077860
How can it be a war between them when Hanyuu and Rika don't even know ΛΔ exists?

>>3077873
either that or
>>there never a game to begin with, and just a fight for survival on Bernie's an Hanyuu's part.

>>3077891
On Rika's part. Bern would still exist, she'd simply be trapped in the dimension with the kakera.

>>3077918
didn't you said that Bern was Rika alter Ego as a result of fragment and memory buildup that Hanyuu caused.

So, to witches, alternate realities are just chess boards?

>>3077873
Battler in all of the games is completely unaware of Beatrice or any of the people in the other realms

>>3077952
Rika is Bern in a human body. Eventually the amount of memories would become too large to fit into a human being (Rika was already close to her limit) and Bern would no longer be able to enter a human body. The Rika we know would cease to exist at that point and Bern would be trapped in the world of the kakera.

>>3077967
more of a sandbox really.

neither bernkastel nor lambdadelta exist. They are a figment of Battler's imagination. that's why they look like miyo and rika, because in the umineko universe higurashi got released before 1986 and battler read it, becoming so obsessed with it he daydreams about it and makes up fan fiction in his mind.

>Keiichi is Battler

>>3077995

....what?

>>3078011

in EP1 Battler says he's a fan of Higurashi no naku koro ni. Yet he makes no mention how lambda and bern look exactly like takano and rika. He is obsessed with it. that's why he says the line "when the seagulls cry..."

>>3078043

Shit, can someone outline the major events in Episodes 1-4? I'm way too ADD/busy with more important things to sit down and click through fucktons of text.

>>3078086
Get out.

>>3078043

Meta Battler makes no comment about the Tokyo guy that appears in Ep 4(you'd think he'd be surprised at someone closely resembling a fictional character popping up in the real world and would try to deny him or something), so the Higurash that he read probably isn't much like the real one.

>>3078043
He mentions it one time as something he happened to read once. There's no evidence he's obsessed with it.

>>3077995
After the 3rd episode thy talk about Higurashi, so I guess that's true.

>>3078100
It's all an in-joke. Don't take it so seriously.

>>3078096
Meta-Battler didn't witness the scenes with '98 Ange.

>>3078096

OR since Meta battler is pretty much Battler secluded in his mind he doesnt give it a second thought because every thing that happens in meta world is his imagination. He looks like that BECAUSE Battler wants him to look like that.

>>3078098

the evidence is bern and lambda, since they are just projections in his mind.

>>3078108
I assumed that at first, but since you guys were talking about this so seriously...

>>3078120
He's obsessed with Higurashi because he's imagining Bern and ΛΔ and we know that he's imagining them because he's obsessed with Higurashi. Nice piece of circular reasoning.

>>3078138

>HURRR YOUR THIRSTY SO YOUR GONNA GET A GLASS OF WATER. YOUR GONNA GET A GLASS OF WATER BECAUSE YOUR THIRSTY CIRCULAR LOGIC GUISE!

That's you. That's what you sound like.

>>3078138
There is no evidence that connects Lambdadelta and Bernkastel is from Higurashi. Since Beatrice is actually a set of rules on the chessboard, it can be theorized that both 34 and Trollkastel are themselves concepts personified. Their forms and personalities are based upon what concept they represent, and in their case it's based upon characters from Higurashi.

>>3078183
Green text huh? I guess that shit just got real.

You can't derive the premises of your argument from it. Either demonstrate some other evidence as to why battler is obsessed with Higurashi or give it a rest.

Can someone please give a link to download the novel?

Also, here, have a pic.

>>3078213
lrn2google.

>>3078213

Sorry, no Link

NIpaa: 4
stupid theory guys: 0

Was a pretty obvious win.

>>3078246
Both arguments are nothing but speculation. There's no win or loss here, bro.

>>3078264
Not really. Nipaa's are fact and the others are.... just plain stupid.

>>3078264
The burden of proof lies with the person presenting a theory. Since he hasn't produced any other evidence for it, I think it can be rejected.

Nipaa has a pretty good hold on things and has backed up his beliefs of this. So I tip my hat to him.

Now we're masturbating to the tripfag, guys. That's enough praise. The people who he was arguing against were saying completely unbackable shot anyway.

That said, he did pretty much pimpslap the morons spouting stupid bullcrap that would only serve to make a terrible plot twist.

>>3078634
Yes. Can you imagine Ryukishi saying "Battler made everything up after reading Higurashi" as the solution? He'd probably get lynched.

>>3078213
http://tokyotosho.info/details.php?id=218985

>>3078634
Couldn't agree more with you.

>>3078659
>>3078659


Oh good, now you've all but ensured it'll happen.

>>3078659
I'm not really reliant on the whole Higurashi thing, but I still believe that Bernkastel and Lambdadelta don't exist as you see them.

Besides, all of the fantasy on the island is based on what Battler thinks or what he experienced back in Episode 1.

Just look at the Goats, Goldsmith, Gaap, etc.

It's not surprising that a plot twist like that could exist as well.

>>3078702
That argument can be made about the entire meta-world though. Is there a reason you are singling them out?

>>3078721
Who said anything about singling the two out? I only talked about the voyagers because the topic's about them and not the meta-world.

>>3078721
The point is to think of the meta-world like that. Unless you're accepting the magical route, then explaining it is what you should be aiming for.

Battler lost the game

>>3078749
Battler lost his mind

But seriously, if everything turns out to be a dream or something like that I'm gonna be mad.

>>3078764
If that happens, I will personally write a strongly worded letter in Japanese to Ryukishi.

>>3078771
I'm gonna send him a letter with small explosives

>>3078771
I'm gonna send him a letter with small bombs

>>3078764

What if I told you that I've heard, from a credible source, that Battler is a paying customer for a large scale murder mystery experience. That's the reason why he knows it was done by humans and not magic.

>>3078764
It won't.
I think there was something Battler said in that "Higurashi novel" scene (might be in a different scene though) about the basic rules of a mystery novel.
That, or Ryukishi07 said something like that in an interview.

>>3078793
its like Im really watching Total Recall

>>3078764
It can't be a dream, because dreams don't allow people to know things that they would've never thought of. Battler could not have known Kuwadorian existed, or that Rosa killed Beatrice in a dream.

The meta-world, much like every single scene with Kinzo in it, is most likely a metaphor for something else entirely.

>>3078804

Beatrice was designed to appeal to his tastes.

>>3078824

Battler is Raiden? Noooooooooooooo

>>3078834
There's nothing wrong with him!!

>>3078807
So you are saying that he is in the nuthouse becasue he saw his family getting gruesome slaughtered and just couldn't take it anymore and snapped.
He was sent there when they found him and now his mind fabricated some story about witches and a metworld in order to protect him?

>>3078891
I fucking hate stories that end up with everything being either:

1) Dream
2) Delusions from a mad person.

>>3078891
Now you're just being stupid.

Why do you people think the meta-world has to either be a dream or real? We've been given ways to think of it.

>>3078911
Then i don't get what you mean.

>>3078924
Let's say that when I meant the meta-world isn't really real, I meant all of it. Including meta-Battler.

You could say it's one giant allegory. No, allegories are not dreams or hallucinations. There is something going on in the real world that is equivalent to whatever is going on in the meta-world.

>>3078951
What if you think of the metaworld as a method to explain the role of the audience.
Beatrice is actualy Ryukishi07 trolling Battler (that would be the readers) fucking hard while we try to solve it.
Since we can't interact with Ryukishi himself he has to 'guide' us to the questions he wants to hear.

However, I personally believe that the meta-world actually exists, just like the place Rika goes to before she goes to the next kakera.

>>3078978
The meta-world cannot exist to purely explain things to the audience, since most of the plot actually happens in there as opposed to the actual world. Ryukishi will have to explain the exact nature of the meta-world at the end, regardless of if it's fantasy or mystery-based.

>>3077471
Sure is slowpoke around here.
I thought we have this revelation last year?
Sure wish I can report this kind of thread.

>>3079006
Sure is slowpoke around here.
I thought we have read through this thread?
Sure wish I can report this kind of post.

>Ryukishi07: I admit there's a character named Bernkastel in Higurashi, but I don't remember there being a character named Lambdadelta. Why does anyone think [Lambda] has appeared in Higurashi? When human beings encounter an unknown thing, they would automatically regard it as something that exists in their memory. Those who've played Higurashi might have directly fallen into a trap. Those who haven't played it would think [Bern and Lambda] are two ordinary witches. Bernkastel and Furude Rika look similar, so people would think they are the same character. But Lambdadelta and Takano Miyo look nothing alike; they only have similar bangs and eye colour.

>>3079103
In other words, it's a trap.

>>3079103

Bitch pls

Nobody said anything about Lamba appearing in the story itself.

>>3079111
Red mackerel

>>3079103
And does he mention the fact that Lambdadelta = 34?

How do we even know that meta-Battler is actually related to the piece Battler? The meta world is the real world. Rokkenjima is a simulation. Battler is Blick Winkel.

>>3079141
He implies that despite the glaringly obvious similarities (which likely also implies the 34 thing), they are still separate characters.

>>3079150
Umineko actually takes place in the year 2023, Battler is trapped inside a computer program, but doesn't realise it.

Time travel will be involved.
Shannon and Kanon are from the future.
This is why Shannon can jam the siestas signal. Kanon corpse wasnt found because he went back to the future.

Game will end with Battler travelling back 6years to prevent his sin from happening.

>>3079155
And NANOMACHINES were the small bombs, amirite?

>>3079158
While, the nanomachines were nanobombs. So they're still technically small bombs.

I'm kind of sad no one remembers my quantum bombs theory. ;_;

so, judging by the fact that bernkastel was born during the higurashi events and wasn't a witch then, the game bern and lambda played for a thousand times isn't higurashi. Is that it?

Why does Bernkastel have a tail?
It's because she's not just a witch.
She's a strike witch.

>>3079253
I don't think so tim.
she has something covering her lower body part. she can't be a strike witch

>>3079217
Bernie and Lambda never played a game to begin with. It's more of a metaphor that Bernkastel used to describe her relationship with Lambda.

>>3079358
What? I thought it was implied that Bern hates Lambda for granting Takano's wish, thus making Rika repeat her attempts for 100 years.

>>3079380
Well if it wasn't for that, then Bernie didn't existed in the first place.

>>3079253
Or because Rika had a tail too.